Enough Already!
OK, did anyone watch the rookie/sophmore game? Yeah Durant 'broke records', but it wasn't exactly the NBA Finals out there. Basically Durant showed a great ability to:
A) Hit open shots
B) Drive around defenders who were already planning for the after party
Durant is looking to become a good player, maybe even more. But, and this is where people need to get things straight, Greg Oden is OUR guy. I don't care if you were cold calling KP in the middle of the night before that draft to whisper "Durant, pick Durant" into his sleepy ear, we made our choice. Its time to FAN UP!
Funny thing is at the time everybody seemed to fall into line and next thing you know people are predicting that he'll average something like 20-15-3-3 right off the bat. Now Durant is having a great sophmore season (statistically) while Oden is having a rough rookie campaign and suddenly we totally blew it. Anyone remember Durant's rookie season, also known as the year of 5 for 19? He's shown tremendous growth from last season to this season, but you know what else? Greg has shown tremendous growth thoughout this season as well, he just started a little rougher for reasons that have been discussed ad-nauseum.
Oden bumped knees w/ Flopghetti and has a small chip/fracture. He practiced THE next day after this injury and has several more off for rest/treatment. The worst thing to come out of this injury may prove to be the Craig Sager interview that took place at this EXHIBITION game. Compared to Bynum this is probably nothing, just one of the results of playing around the basket all game.
Now in closing I'd like to state that this is not a 'Durant sucks!' post. I just feel a need to put yesterdays performance (very fitting word) into perspective, as well as Greg's injury. Durant is a heck of a player, and we have yet to see his best in all liklihood, but Oden is our guy. Has everyone forgotten how much better we are at rebounding this season and what that has done for our offense? Oden is a huge part of that, and has had a a much larger impact than another perimeter shooter/scorer would have for us.
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I agree
The jury’s still out. And there’s nothing we can do to change what happened. We’re still rooting for a ridiculously talented basketball team. Don’t buy into all the Oden vs. Durant hype. Buy into the fact that KP is getting closer and closer to putting together a perennial contender for NBA Championships.
by kickbrass on Feb 14, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Durant was worse last year
than Oden is this year. There is no reason not to expect similar improvement over the next year from GO that Durant has achieved.
by as11osu on Feb 14, 2009 12:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I coulda married Linda back in 77
but I didn’t and then she inherited a pile of money in 85, but by that time I was married to my current wife of 29 years and had a couple of kids. Why would I even think about a do-over?
I hate to paraphrase Colin Cowturd but – Live in the is, not the was. You’ll enjoy life more that way and get better results.
by raoulduke on Feb 14, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Are you posting this in response to riccc_1's
post about how the Blazers blew it when they picked Oden i/o Durant? If so, why did you not comment in that thread instead of adding another fanpost to the site?
by MiledAnimal on Feb 14, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!
This is more in response to an overall mood, that fanpost was just the last straw.
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Durant will be the next MJ.
But I think that Atlanta’s Dominique Wilkins would be his potential. That’s pretty fantastic, but not the greatest ever.
by parkinglotj on Feb 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wilkins looked horrible in the celebrity game yesterday. No elevation.
What were we talking about?
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 14, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
GO's doin' pretty good in his rookie NBA season...
…for a Junior yr. Collegian.
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Feb 14, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Off topic: Spotting busts
Biography of a complete failure. When do you think people started calling this person a bust? When do you think he would have been called a bust in the modern media age?
• Teenager: Next to no formal education
• Age 22: Lost his job
• Age 23: Defeated for state legislature
• Age 24: Failed business
• Age 27: Nervous breakdown
• Age 34: Ran for congress and defeated
• Age 39: Ran for congress and defeated again
• Age 46: Ran for senate and defeated
• Age 47: Defeated for vice president nomination
• Age 50: Defeated again for senate
• Age 51: US President
• Age 56: Murdered
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 14, 2009 1:57 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
aww poor abe
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
by aryamehr on Feb 14, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW!
Thanks for all the rec’s everyone! Good to know that there are people in agreement.
Now hopefully next season everyone will be saying “OKC should have picked Bayless, they really blew it passing him up for Westbrook!” ;)
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 3:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
within 2 seasons
several teams will wish they had a do-over to take bayless
by lurtsman on Feb 15, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh!
Durant did not deserve to win the HORSE turni! OK technically he did deserve to win because he made his shots, BUT….. he was so boring to watch, Joe Johnson and OJ Mayo were trying to be creative, Durant bored me…. whatever Im over it
Being a Blazer fan is fun!
by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 14, 2009 3:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
well, that's hardly a surprise.
Durant is the fundamentals player par excellence. The guy wasn’t even allowed to play pickup games when he was in HS, because his AAU coach thought they induced bad habits. His basketball training consisted of endless—often pretty cruel—drills. Medicine balls, sprints, hours of running and layup drills.
Guy like that has no trick shot arsenal. What he has is a fundamentals arsenal.
What I think is interesting is that he started off pretty nonchalant about the whole thing, but when the guys started getting on him a little bit about him losing, you could watch his dial move from “this is just horse, I’m just gonna goof around” to “i’m killing these guys, however I need to.”
Wish we had him.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then they probably should have had someone fun to watch in it rather than a jump shooter
Being a Blazer fan is fun!
by Blazermaniac77 on Feb 15, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*shrug* I ain't arguing.
Didn’t really understand their logic for who they picked at all.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As one of the original GO optimists
I had Greg at 20/15/5/5 way back in June. I still believe that there’s a parallel universe where he did not have an injury to start of this season, and where he got his game and his confidence together to put up those kinds of numbers by the AS break.
He could easily average 20 ppg if they just ran a couple of plays for him every quarter. The rebound numbers are there. The assists would be happening if we had consistent 3-pt shooting from Steve and Martel. Finally, don’t forget the 6-block game he just had.
As I see it, once Greg learns to avoid foul trouble, he’s an all-star.
by CatMan2 on Feb 14, 2009 4:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Consistency
Greg can give you a game where he goes off for 20+ pts and around 15 rebounds and he did have 6 blocks on the Knicks, but he hasn’t had a game where everything has come together.
I suppose I feel this way because he hasn’t truly punished a team with his defense for attacking him as he’ll get some blocks, but also some fouls which is exactly what the opposing coach wanted. The closest he’s come is the NYK game, but he still had to sit for stretched b/c of fouls.
That said, he’d an automatic double-double when he stays out of foul trouble because he’s a dominant rebounder and his post game (although not completely fluid) is much more effective than I thought it would be. I thought he would be a 10 &12 guy who threw in about 3 blks (per 36 of course), but he’s proven to be a much more adept scorer than I thought. The blocks aren’t there, but he affects a lot of shots.
In all honesty this summer all he really needs to work on IMO is keeping his arms straight and making defensive rotations into muscle memory, which isn’t bad for a rookie center ;)
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers aren’t tops in the league in rebounding w/o good cause – namely Przy and Oden.
As great as we are doing for being this young we have problems not related to the big guys in the middle.
Case in point: We have killed some teams in the rebounding department this year, I remember one game we were 20+ in rebounds. Yet in some of those games where we dominate the boards we have won by a small margin at the final score. So here’s my math, take 20+ rebounds and convert half of those into scores, and with all other things be equal we win by 20. So if we only win by 10 or 5, we have other areas we need to work on besides the big fella in the middle.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
by Blazer1342 on Feb 14, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think if I throw in 2 more negatives into that leading sentence it would say…
The Blazers are tops in the league in rebounding with good cause – namely Przy and
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
by Blazer1342 on Feb 14, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is one thing to think we should have picked Kevin Durant
But if you are just now saying we should have picked Durant over Oden based solely on the Rookie game. Then you are an idiot. Sorry. (You know who you are)
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 14, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's so much about the rookie game, as that each time we get to see Durant play
we realize what we passed up on. I preferred the universe where we just heard snippets of information and saw the occasional highlight.
"I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong." -Bertrand Russell
by TheTinfoil on Feb 14, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
And because we played OKC twice in a week. People second guessing the Oden pick were pretty quiet before the two games, even though he had been playing at a high level for some time.
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bravo Devenex!
Nowadays I mostly drop in to BE’ for Dave, Ben and any breaking news.
But I am glad I dropped in here.
I usually don’t read anything else anymore because of all the goofy, compulsive and immature cuda, wuda, shuda’s.
Dave has repeatedly tried to TEACH on this site but alas, it still seems that so many just don’t get it. We will not know who really was the better choice for at least 2-3 more years.
The Oden Era, Day 602
by Heymoe on Feb 14, 2009 6:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thx!
It was this or me proposing a five team deal where we land CP3, LeBron, and the greatest glue guy of all time…BONZI!!! All while only giving up bench players, draft picks, and our dignity ;)
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Bonzi is stomping on the terra over there in china….someone posted that he was getting 30+ ppg. The Bonz is back!
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 15, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nope. He got fired by his Chinese team.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 15, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOO!!!
Poor Bonz!
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 15, 2009 5:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
# 52
Rec’d
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
2/9/2009
by blazeraddict on Feb 14, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
nice
annthefan has dyslexia!
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"I've looked at things from both sides now." ;p
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 15, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to point
out some stats of Greg Oden specifically rebounding.
Greg Oden is the best Offensive rebounding Center in the game.
Przybilla is the best rebounder in the game with Oden coming in 10th. He has the 5th best PER among the top ten rebounder’s in the league.
He has the 14th best FG% in the league.
All in all Greg is doing fine. Let’s wish him and KD the best and let the debate end.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Feb 14, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Oden is actually the 6th best rebounding center in the game
Oden is tenth at DEFENSIVE rebounding, and tied for first in Offensive rebounding (tied with Brook Lopez who plays in the Leastern Conference)
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 15, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless
he is top ten in one of the things he is supposed to do for this team. That is rebounding. Sorry about the misinfo though. He also scores at a high percentage. Strangely given his resume and expectations it is his defense that is the problem and his lack of touches. All in all I’m pleased with Oden he just needs to stay healthy and keep working hard.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Feb 15, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
Let us also remember that the Blazers are the second best offensive team in the league and one of our greatest strengths is shooting. We all new at the time of the draft: if you wanted the rookie of the year and a guy who could score 30 points a game draft Durant, if you want a title(s) draft Oden.
As far as I am concerned nothing has changed. I think once the fouling problem is fixed Greg will be an allstar. And if you want to say Durant is good/great thats fine, but don’t ever say you are upset we have this guy.
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Feb 14, 2009 6:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For Durant to have been the better selection...
not only does he have to be a degree or two better than Greg Oden, but he has to be significantly better than Brandon Roy. Too many of Durant’s abilities overlap Roy’s. IMO the decision was pretty easy.
by as11osu on Feb 14, 2009 6:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
good point
There’s the “draft for need” school & the “draft for talent” school…I guess you take your pick.
by SuperMilk on Feb 14, 2009 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or
Draft for championship, which is what the Oden pick was. Our title hopes really are tied to his career, for better or worse.
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it ever a good idea not to draft for championship?
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 14, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't always make that pick
Not every team is in a position to make a pick and say “this is THE guy who will put us over the top for a title”.
Durant wasn’t that pick for us, Oden was. For another team those guys could be reversed.
Take Orlando for example. Had they won that lottery somehow (if they were in the West they probably would have been in it), they would probably benefit more from Durant as Oden and Howard would have serious overlaps in skillsets. I’m sure there are other teams where you could make this argument, but Orlando was an easy example.
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then the Magic would have picked Oden
and traded him to Minny for KG.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 14, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Minny make that deal?
McHale never played for the Magic ;)
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of high scoring teams that don't win, i.e. no defense.
Until KD becomes a defensive presence looking at offensive numbers is pointless. Oden brings a lot of intangibles onto the court, things that can’t be measured, or at least aren’t measured yet, in stats. How many times has Greg tipped a ball to a teammate because he didn’t have good enough position to grab the rebound, etc, etc.
I’m not sure if it’s possible to ever compare these two players, assuming they both rise to some level of greatness.
Likely we’ll have to count rings to measure the difference.
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THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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by Blazer1342 on Feb 14, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Boy, Pippen and Jordan having overlapping abilities really killed that promising 90s bulls squad.
Same with Bird, Parish, and McHale all fighting over low post positioning. Heck, Magic and Kareem both liked setting up in the box in the half court too. Damn shame those guys could never coexist on the court.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So are you still mad about not getting CP3?
How about Jordan? How about trading away Moses Malone?
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Feb 15, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh not really. I'm pretty over the Durant/Oden thing too.
I just feel the need to dip my oar in when folks repeat the same damn arguments they used against me when I was arguing Durant over Oden in the first place, two years ago. I do feel a little justified in pulling out the exact same arguments I used then now, since, you know, I was ridiculed around these parts for my position on the KD/Oden debates.
In fact, for all the trolls in blazerland, if you want to guarantee I’ll engage like a damn pit bull with you for hours and days, use any of these arguments: “centers win titles” or “kd’s just a dime a dozen gunner similar to some random guy we as portland fans have decided we dislike, like Tracy McGrady”. But that’s not really about KD being the one that got away; he’s just becoming my favorite non-blazer. Well, someone had to take Gerald Wallace’s place in my heart temporarily. And I’ll argue plenty on the pro-Garnett side too. shrug I love athletic intense PF/SFs.
The “coaches don’t have any impact on defense”, will get me going too, but that’s not really related to the KD/Durant thing.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 5:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I absolutely have no buyer’s remorse. It amuses me that there’s some people with their panties in a bunch. When Greg is in the game, he free’s up our offense and shooters, which is a nice surprise since I thought his initial impact would be on defense. Oden will have a bright future with the Blazers. Durant will have a bright future statistically.
by Stryder9 on Feb 14, 2009 6:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If Greg is such a scrub, why does everyone cringe when he goes to the bench. If he was really so bad us fans would be saying, “About time, now Przy is in so we can take care of business.” No disrespect to Przy, and in all honesty when he comes in under those circumstances I’m more grateful than ever for him, but he’s not Oden offensively.
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 14, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
problem with the NBA is this
most lottery picks have a lot of potential and talent. however u gotta be in the right situation at the right time to really make the most of your opportunities.
bayless has the most upside of any of the blazers guards not named broy, but hes not in the right place at the right time, and most of the time he was last guard off the bench. however im totally sure he could be scoring 20+ per game for a team like memphis/OKC/clippers.
durant was in the right situation at the right time to be “the man” for the franchise.
oden will be solid to great for the next 10 years +. he could even be a superstar, but we will let time decide that.
by Yawnie on Feb 15, 2009 1:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oden will be amazing
’Nuff said. Well, ALMOST ’nuff said, I got 10,000 more words before I hit my quota.
Durant is an amazing player. Oden will be amazinger and win more. I’ll take my chances on the dominant big man winning the titles, and not the good wing scorer who isn’t Michael Jordan… since, um, only Jordan has done it since I’ve been alive (and I am extremely old).
Every big man has had good wing scorers, but they are the sidekicks, not the main attraction. KD will not even compete for a conference championship until he has a decent big man next to him. That is why you take Oden over Durant… an Oden is what ANY team needs to compete. Great wing players are awesome, but in the realm of awesomeness they are a dime a’ dozen.
I was, and am, a big fan of Durant. A big part of me hoped he would be so good that he COULD be worth the #1 selection, because c’mon— the fan in me loves streaking dunks, great pure shooting, cross overs, all the fun stuff in basketball. Durant will lead the league in scoring. It still won’t affect a game like Oden will affect a game on both ends of the court.
Even though I loved what Durant was about (the length, the range, the versatility), I knew in my heart Oden was the right pick if you wanted to have a team that won.
Durant will always be a much better scorer than, say, Brandon Roy. However, if you put Brandon Roy (of last year even) on that Thunder team, they won’t have one of the worst records in the league. Roy is a playmaker who can score, not a scorer who can make plays because every play goes through him. There is a big difference, and it shows in the win/loss column.
NO MATTER WHAT, it is too soon to tell. I may be wrong, and Durant is the modern era Jordan. Having no position he can safely guard on defense will likely prevent him from being as dominant as Jordan I’d say, and I don’t see how Durant could be as good as Lebron or Kobe. Those dudes are just better playmakers, even if Durant is in their league scoring wise.
The point is, both players are still growing and improving, and will for years to come. Oden is a rookie coming off of an injury, and Durant is coming into his own in his 2nd year after a pretty mediocre rookie season that no one watched, except in the boxscores. Neither are a finished product, and both will be very, very good.
I am extremely happy we got the #1 pick. Oden is what championships are made of, and I do not see any way that a trio of Roy, Durant, and LMA win the title. Ever. Unless they luck into an amazing big man, of course… they will be much too good to get one in the draft, but not good enough to go all the way.
All of those bemoaning Oden’s current game don’t need to look too far away to have a great example of a player expanding and exploding his game in his 2nd season. Durant has gone from a guy many was underwhelmed by, a guy barely scoring 20 on a billion shots, to a dominant offensive juggernaut. To many who watched him last year, they didn’t see how he could become what he is becoming. This lesson has been taught a million times before, but this is how youth develops. It takes time, and you must use your imagination to see what the player will become. What they are now, is not permanent.
I do not get why people don’t get that concept, when it is seen year in and year out.
Oden is what negates forces of nature like Lebron. Oden is completely unguardable as a stupid, dumb, stinky raw rookie. He simply backs down anyone not named Shaq/Yao. Just wait a few years, and we’ll all be happy and the debate will seem as silly as the Melo/Lebron debates their rookie year.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 15, 2009 2:35 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Thats whats so confusing to me right now...
Do people understand that he is in his Rookie season? He is facing new people everynight, his energy and stamina is just now coming back? I have a buddy that say the same thing every game, “I can’t wait till next year.” Oden with a full season behind him, a summer to workout (probably balance his body out) and a training camp to fully integrate with the team and hopefully a slightly retooled offense to better use him will be nice. Now I’m not saying 20-10 next year, but I’m thinking something close to that.
by SamGoody on Feb 15, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Bird would like to say "hi"
So would Dwyane Wade, Chauncey/Rip, and Isiah/Dumars.
Durant has no position he can safely guard? You have not been watching the last couple of months, since he was moved to forward.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Bird was surrounded by an army of great players for most of his career that would have made MJ happy to have
Kevin McHale, Robert Parish and Bill Walton are just a few big guys on his team that would like to say “hi”. One of the top guys of all time, but still he had massive help.
Dwyane Wade would like to send greetings to Shaq and Mourning. We had that argument before. Miami doesn’t win without Wade, but they also don’t win without a dominant big man.
Isiah and Dumars had a young Rodman and Bill Laimbeer, who was not center scrub either especially defensively.
Chauncey and Rip were great guys on a very deep Pistons team that overcame an opponent in disarray. And if I remember correctly, they had that dude named Rasheed Wallace and that other little guy named Ben Wallace patrolling the paint in his best season.
Let’s face it: Big guys matter a lot in basketball, and even the most prolific scorers like to have one by their side.
Brandon is one of those quiet assassins. - Chris Paul
by Norsktroll on Feb 15, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the quote from Mortimer is
Every big man has had good wing scorers, but they are the sidekicks, not the main attraction.
I’d concede all your points and obviously concede that you need quality bigs to be a title caliber team.
But would you really call Bird or Wade or Isiah/Dumars or Chauncey/Rip the “sidekicks, not the main attractions” on their teams?
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our main attraction
is Brandon Roy. But is the complementary skill set of Oden and to a lesser extent LMA that will allow Brandon’s greatness to be seen. Oden is NOT the main attraction B. Roy is.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Feb 15, 2009 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just for fun
Here are the draft positions and how the particular teams we’re talking about acquired the bigs you just listed as key cogs to a title:
McHale: 3rd, drafted
Parish: 8th, acq via trade
Walton: 1st, acq via trade
Shaq: 1st, acq via trade
Mourning: 2nd, acq via free agency
Rodman: 27th, drafted
Laimbeer: 65th, acq via trade
Rasheed: 4th, acq via trade
Big Ben: Undrafted, acq via trade
So the point’s obvious right? If we decide to use our pick on the best player instead of the best center in the draft the one time lightning strikes and we get the top pick, that doesn’t mean it becomes impossible to acquire folks later in the draft or through trade.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, Mourning was traded, not free agent.
Couldn’t remember off the top of my head.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was off the top of your head? Jeepers.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 15, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, just the how acquired stuff :)
I had to look up draft positions.
Lordy, I knew Laimbeer was drafted late, but not that late. What a steal.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they may find their big man
…Blake Griffin. He would make Oklahoma very good.
some combination of
Westbrook
Durant
Green
Griffin
Seems like a pretty good core, but there is definately no guaruntee that they can get the #1 pick.
by raging WebTed on Feb 16, 2009 1:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you people are a damn joke
stop hating on the one you passed up on the great"k.durant",and let’s see the savior in many of you people’s dreams g.oden.yeah oden is the best offensive rebounder in the nba.give me a damn break oden fanboys.until he averages 14-16.pts a game-12-13.5 rebs-3.5.blks every night,then you people can talk.the nerve of you people hating on a baby a legit one at that,averaging geez 26.pts-8.rebs-1.5 steals a night i might add.boy if only the savior can just be a little bit more productive by all*star game in 2011 we hope.
by fatty on Feb 15, 2009 6:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fatty
I’m sorry to say you are dead wrong and have been hating on Oden all day like a hypocrtie recently. KD will be really good and so will Oden. Very few people in Oden’s camp deride KD and say he is worthless where as the pro-KD camp consistently calls Oden a bust Bowie 2.0 etc. Get it straight its the KD supporters who want to tear Oden down to prove that KD was the right choice when clearly enough time hasn’t elapsed to know the answer to that question.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Feb 15, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hate?
I don’t think its hating on Durant to say he wasn’t the best player for the Blazers. Especially when so many have been complementing him in the process.
Now what have you seen more of between Oden being called Bowie 2.0 or Durant being deemed a run of the mill chucker? And which cuts deeper to the bone of the respective fanbases more?
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 15, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
An analogy
Me: I love my wife
Random guy: you may love your wife,but she’s no where near as hot as that girl you used to go out with in high school.i hear she became a porn star,everyone thinks she’s hot,your wife is ok,I guess,but i’m only going to be impressed with the one you let get away.
Me: But I am married to my wife. Even if I wanted the porn star girl, there’s no way that she’s ever coming my way. I’m committed to my wife, and I don’t want to go down the what if road, because it’s going to do no good.
Random guy: but the porn star is super hot.you let her get away,and now she’s sporting implants and fancy clothes,and you should see what she can do in"busty babes from planet sex"it’s fabulous.your wife has potential,but i need to see her buy some flashy clothes and wear more makeup before i can even talk about her being worth it.the pornstar,man,wish you went with the pornstar.
For those who don’t follow, the analogy is thus. Oden is the wife. We’re committed to him, he’s not as flashy as some would like, but there’s growth potential, and we thought he was going to be the best in the long run. Durant is the porn star. He’s flashy and looks fun for a bit, but it’s worthless to fantasize about him, because it’s just not happening, and there’s no proof that he would have been the better long term option anyway. In fact, there’s reason to believe otherwise, based on the fact that he’s being productive, but still losing.
Travis Outlaw is an alien, but in a good way.
Awesome Graphic was provided by CIC, because he felt like he should be hazed.
by Clevelander among roses on Feb 16, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You win the prize for the worst analogy ever.
Please don’t show that comment to your wife.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 16, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
get it right fatty
what has kevin durant done to deserve being called “the great”.. what? ya nothing. he plays for what team? ya thats right whats his team record? nice player but your ridin durant hard.
by JRRIDER on Feb 15, 2009 8:16 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
jrrider
durant=future 10x all*nba/all*star-oden=so far vey mediocre at best,stop being a damn g.oden fanboy lover and face the facts k.durant=G.R.E.A.T. book it oden fanboy !!!!
by fatty on Feb 15, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How many titles
will Durant win? Probably none. If he played for us? Definitely none. If he played for us he probably wouldn’t be that good stuck on the bench last year behind Travis, Martell, James Jones, Roy, etc. The reason why he puts up great numbers is because he’s the focal point. For us he’d be averaging 15-17 ppg at best if not less because it would be hard to find shots for him in our offense.
by sPresley on Feb 15, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys make me want to read some noob's trade idea.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 16, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow. That's serious. Back away from the ledge.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 16, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, Ann.

I didn’t realize how close I was… to the Bedge.
by MiledAnimal on Feb 16, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fo Real
If anyone is judging how good Durant is by the Rookie/Sophomore game then… well… I’ve got nothing. That’s just ign’ant.
Life is hilarious.
by SolGoode on Feb 15, 2009 12:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's just a data point.
I think a lot of folks around the league just haven’t seen him that much – even if you have league pass, why put OKC on, you know? They’re not really that relevant for trade talk or playoff talk, so the only reason to watch them is if you have them on your fantasy team or just for fun.
So determining Durant’s value out of the exhibition would be silly if it were an aberration, like Beasley’s scoring night was. But it wasn’t an aberration — Durant lit it up exactly as he’s been lighting it up for the last two or three months – huge and very efficient production, extremely versatile with his outside stroke, slashing to the rim off pick and rolls, ability to rebound and get out on the break, open court speed and vision, got a nice number of rebs and some very pretty dimes. He is goood and he’s good exactly in the ways he showcased on friday.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep. An all offensive player. He'd be good at Nelly-ball.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 15, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really at all true.
hey, guess who he outperforms in terms of defensive win shares? Hm, and that does include the first month and a half when PJ was still playing KD out of position at shooting guard? Why yes it does. Note the better defensive rebounding numbers too. Steals + blocks isn’t that far off, either, and those numbers will go up like crazy for KD with a full season at forward.
One of the funny things about folks who talk smack about Durant’s game around here is how obvious it is that folks here don’t know anything about his game. KD is one of the most back to fundamentals players in the NBA; he’s like a walking textbook. One of the things I loved so much about him at Texas was how completely old skool he is. He’s like a mutant love child of Bernard King, George Gervin, and Larry Bird come to life.
by howlingfantods on Feb 15, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't assume I hate Durant. I don't. I'd just rather have Greg on my team.
I’m happy for Durant that he’s in such a good situation for his style of play.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 15, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude did you see how epic he was in H.O.R.S.E.?
Most epic comeback ever. More epic than when the Lakers came back to beat the Blazers or when the Celtics came back to beat the Lakers.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 16, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Comparing a rookie coming off surgery to a second year player playing for an up-tempo nellie ball style where he has total freedom to take whatever shot he wants is really kind of silly.
by dario argento on Feb 15, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
rec
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
TRADE TRAVIS OUTLAW FOR A CHAIR
by rockingharder on Feb 15, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So Tired
of the KD/Oden thing. Oden is our guy, go root OKC if you want KD over Oden. They have plenty of room for you over there.
However, Durant played very well in the rookie/sophmore challenge. If I was an OKC person I’d be proud. Regardless of whether it’s a “defense-lite” game or not he still went to work.
The HORSE thing was just kinda dumb, but I guess it’s for the kids or whatever.
I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.
by Eat Politicians on Feb 15, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
True
KD didn’t leave much in the tool box by the end of the game, he scored almost every way imaginable. That said, it was against little to no resistance, so its a bit frustrating to me that this is what is driving people to question picking Oden.
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 15, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I say
We have Oden, so if you’re a Blazer fan you want him to succeed. If you root for him to fail so you can be right, we want no part of you as BlazerNation.
by sPresley on Feb 15, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no joke
why isn’t Fatty trolling the Thunder board if he’s such a big Durant fan
sincerly, a true Oden fanboy
Oderint dum metuant
by WhiteRabbit on Feb 15, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because maybe
the truth hurts rabbit bottom line durant=G.R.E.A.T. while oden=I.N.C.O.N.S.I.S.T.E.N.T.C.Y. at best book it !!!!
by fatty on Feb 16, 2009 4:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now or long term?
I’m not sure you can say much about either player’s long term prospects right now. Theoretically they could both still fall into obscurity, if Oden doesn’t keep improving and Durant never makes it into the playoffs (hey, the thunder probably have the all-time worst win % for a franchise right now).
I think they’ll both be great players, but with very different skill-sets obviously, so you may never truly be able to compare them fairly.
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 16, 2009 7:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Durant likes to ride scooters
Nothing is guaranteed with him.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 16, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Scooters!
I love my scooter, which is course why I DECIDED the NBA wasn’t for me ;)
But if your right Durant may get so bored with OKC that he’ll try to go all evil kineval and try to jump 35 buses!
Of course now I jinxed this, so he’ll probably land it…during halftime of the WCF against the Blazers before going on to finish dropping a new record of 101pts in a game :P
If that happens, just let me be the first to say, my bad, that was my bad points at chest
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 16, 2009 8:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
J.R. lives: I have to give Fatty some props
because he reminded me of J.R. Rider. My absolute favorite jail blazer. Boy, did I love to watch him play. The post ups. The touch on his mid range game.
What a guilty pleasure he was. Too bad his eyes were always bloodshot and too bad he wasted those gifts.
by chnews on Feb 16, 2009 12:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rider
What I remember best was how he used to pad his scoring by taking all the FT’s when a team was fouling in an attempt to get back into the game. I say he was padding b/c I don’t think he led our team in FT%, but would make every effort to get the inbounds for himself…good times :)
"I don’t have the first clue who he is talking about, because all I worry about is Jerome." – Jerome James, on comments by coach Nate McMillan about Seattle SuperSonics players being selfish.
by Devenex on Feb 16, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Durant is going to be a spectacular player,
and really he’s progressed a lot more and faster than I expected him to. He’s going to lead OKC to the playoffs in a few seasons and be very hard to stop.
But, having said that I still think the Blazers did the right thing in drafting Oden, and I would take Oden over Durant again if given the chance simply because of how much affect a great Center has on the performance of a team vs. a great forward. Then there’s the simple fact that Durant wouldn’t have complimented the play of Roy and LaMarcus like Oden does.
Regardless of what Durant does in his career, Oden was the right choice.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Feb 16, 2009 1:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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