Breaking: Marion to Toronto
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 13, 2009 10:00 AM PST
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3905146
Well, the Bosh-O'Neal dream frontcourt didn't last for very long. This means that any trade sending Bosh to us will be off-limits until the summer...Coangelo just fired the biggest bullet in his gun to placate CB. Too bad for us.
75 words, divide them into thirds, man I think this rule is absurd, my loins I shall gird. BOB out.
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stupid trade
why would anyone take a chance on JO? He has proven time and time again that he can’t stay healthy. Meanwhile marion will be perfect for the raptors.
"Howard, he know me" Rudy
by phillyduck23 on Feb 13, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
massive expiring
for the summer of 2010. it lets the heat jump into the Bosh/LBJ sweepstakes, and Miami is a very desirable free agent destination even without the added allure of playing with Wade. Great trade for the future for Miami I think.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 13, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marion expires sooner
Why have money in 2010 when you can have it in 2009 and 2010?
by dprodigy19 on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cuz you dump
Banks’ terrible contract too. Now they have MORE space for 2010.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus
you have a player for 09-10 that you wouldn’t otherwise. sure, you can hold the money for a year, but that means you have to bring someone in to fill that spot. if you do it with a 1-year contract, you aren’t going to get anyone near the potential of JO.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 13, 2009 11:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny that Pat Riley effectively traded one O'Neal for the worse one. It just took him one more season
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
One is an O'Neal and the other is an O'Neil
But neither one of them is Irish. Go figure.
The perfect is the enemy of the good.
According to James Kunstler, who writes a well-respected if slightly profane financial blog whose title I cannot repeat here, "The Republicans must be clearly identified as the party that wrecked America... it's hard to imagine the American people giving the clean-up task to the very group that created the mess -- no matter how many cute little faces Sarah Palin can make on TV."
by vavoom on Feb 13, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both are O'Neal I thought?
Want more aggressiveness? Try less Baylesslessness.
by prezofdeath on Feb 13, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting
I don’t think there was any chance Toronto was going to trade Bosh before the deadline anyway, so I don’t see us having missed any opportunity there.
Makes sense for Toronto – get the heck out from under JO’s contract, and give Marion a try in a lineup with Bosh and Calderon.
Probably makes sense for Miami too. They can try to package the JOEC next February to a team trying to get in on the 2010 sweepstakes, or they can ride him out for another season, hope he stays healthy and productive, then take the cap savings themselves into that summer.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 13, 2009 10:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I also love that this exposes our old friend Adrian Wojnarowski who reported Marion for Amare three-team talks earlier today ;-)
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is down
in the fanshots too. Near simultaneous posting though.
As I said there, watch out for the Bosh-for-Amare trade now.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Mhm, I think it makes Amare to the Bulls his primary destination
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Chicago
having the combination of contracts and players to get it done straight up. I assume the Suns will get at least one sweetheart offer for Amare.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They can make a package around the expiring contract of Gooden and Tyrus Thomas as a replacement, and maybe even put Hinrich in there
Such a deal was discussed at least
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oops, sorry
I looked before I made the FanPost….it took me a little while to get to 75 words though. Sorry for the double post. I thought it would spark enough discussion to warrant being a full FanPost.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually thought that Amare for Bosh
was likely because of the Colangelo connection. Is it any more likely now? I know that there were rumors about Marion being in conflict with several Phoenix players. Was Amare one of them? If not, you’re right that a deal between Phoenix and Toronto could easily happen.
by Storyteller on Feb 13, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of intriguing questions here
Obviously Phoenix wants to dump Amare. I don’t think that’s in question anymore. The media are the media but this isn’t just smoke, you can see the fire from here.
I think Toronto would like Amare not just because of the GM connection (which is strong) but because he’s the physically-dominant court destroyer they need alongside Marion to sandwich Bargnani. They got J.O. in order to get more toughness. Didn’t work but the need is still there. I’m not sure if they’d covet him above Bosh though. What Bosh is thinking would be one of the keys in all of this. It wouldn’t surprise me to know he did want out of Toronto, though.
Phoenix would certainly do a Bosh-for-Amare trade based on talent and blend. However if they’re serious about cutting salary that move doesn’t do it. This is where the Blazers and that LMA/Raef/Somebody package gets intriguing. I don’t think there’s any question Portland would and should give up LMA for Bosh. Portland needs production now instead of all of this potential. Bosh is also the perfect age. I think Phoenix would like LMA too. The question is about that “somebody else”. Would Sergio do it? I’m sure Portland would do that but I’m not sure Phoenix would. Would Bayless do it? Perhaps the reverse there. Same with Rudy. Phoenix would love him, I don’t think Portland would give him up. Draft picks would be no problem for Portland to give up to either team to get this deal to work. How much does Phoenix want and how much would Portland be willing to part with IF the scenario came about?
I don’t deem this trade likely. In fact I’d find some permutation of Bosh-for-Amare more likely. But if I were KP I’d be on the phone about this exact possibility. You have to believe somebody, somewhere is thinking about it.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's been my dream
trade for weeks and yes LMA and Sergio and or Rudy and or Outlaw + picks and Cash for Bosh. Get it done KP we would be a contender this year if we add Bosh even if it largely guts the bench. You just can’t TOTALLY wipe out the bench for the trade but you can thin it considerably.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ck38hg
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 13, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could do the same deal with Sergio instead of Rudy
I’m thinking if any team needs a sweetener it’s Toronto, not Phoenix.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you hate LaMarcus Aldridge?
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because he reminds me
of TominHawaii. Sick, sick puppy. Bad influence on the kids.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm telling him you said that.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would lose my mind if we made that deal
Portland gets rid of spare parts and upgrades LMA into Bosh?
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Toronto would undoubtedly prefer
Rudy to Outlaw, but you know…you can’t have everything.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was reading some of Scott Carefoot's stuff at RaptorBlog
and he was saying that Bosh’s main issues stem from being a poor performer in the clutch and being upset at a lack of fan support.
Neither of those two issues would matter here. It makes way too much sense.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems interesting
that most fans are totally willing to give LMA up in a deal that makes us better, while other players like Travis, Rudy, or Bayless have cult fanbases that wouldn’t trade them for a combination of Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan.
LMA doesn’t have the same fan support, for some reason.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why Dave wants to trade him.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade Lamarcus in this deal
not because of his popularity or lack thereof, but because Lamarcus might develop into Chris Bosh wheras Chris Bosh already is Chris Bosh. Plus Bosh is only a year older.
I would want to know what’s up with that knee thing though.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, I'm just playing devils advocate.
It is hard to complain about LaMarcus getting traded if it is for Bosh. I think what Cablinasian said is also true, and I think a lot of fans are just giving up until the trade deadline passes.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, I didn't realize Bosh was only a year older than LMA.
That stacks my deck in favor of an LMA/Bosh trade.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
TRADE TRAVIS OUTLAW FOR A CHAIR
by rockingharder on Feb 13, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Lma for Bosh
but Dave now I know why you steer clear of trade discussions, you are the anti-homer when it comes to deal making. Toronto gives up Bosh (+ junk filller, you should of have them resigned Ha so we could get him back)) for Amare and Trout. Talk about getting back more than you give. Phoenix gets a slight drop in LMa aned Sergio + RLEC, but outside of Bosh portland loses two good players for one great player. WE get knid of hosed in the deal.. I’m all for upgrading LMa for Bosh but Trout + Sergio is a steep price.
I think we should send Toronto the rights to Freeland and Kaponnen and a 1st round pick (if need be instead of Trout. By removing the extras leaving toronto we shouldn’t need to include Trout. Besides we can throw in an extra $ from PA if toronto needs sweetener but amare for Bosh striaght up isn’t too bad.
by NWfan on Feb 13, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to give something valuable
to get something valuable. We’d be lucky that we hit the exact time that Phoenix was willing to do this deal. We’d have to convince Toronto to jump on board. That takes talent going their way.
Losing two good players for one great player is EXACTLY what this team needs to do. We already have too many good, young, might-get-there-someday guys. Look at all the players we’re waiting on: Oden, Lamarcus, Channing, Travis, Martell, Batum, Rudy, Sergio, Bayless. You trade two of those guys (one major one) for a guy who is all-world night in and night out…who has already arrived…upon whom you don’t have to wait for a second. Plus he’s young too. Plus he plays the same position as the major guy you traded.
Look at all of the talent we still have…
C: Oden/Przybilla
PF: Bosh/Frye
SF: Batum/Webster
SG: Roy/Fernandez
PG: Blake/Bayless
That ought to cover anybody’s lust for potential, plus you just might win more now. And the lineup is cleaned up without three-deep duplication and guys wasting away on the bench.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It isn't that I am anxious
to trade LA, but Bosh is a clear upgrade. I would say the same for Bayless: don’t deal unless you are getting an upgrade at PG. Rudy and Travis are different because Rudy has Roy in front of him and Travis doesn’t really have a position he could start at.
by sevenfly on Feb 13, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For me, the priorities in this deal is:
1. Is likelihood of resigning Bosh > than resigning LA?
2. Don’t give up Bayless
Questions… who is better to give up, Rudy or Trout in this particular deal? Rudy is the knee-jerk reaction (thins out the 3 position to trade Trout), but how many teams have a guy who can play the 3 or 4, be happy coming of the bench, can give you 20+ off the bench, and is clutch? If Trout does go, then who slides in at the 4? While Rudy has shown flashes of amazing potential, Travis has really proven that he gets better each year. We can’t say that for Rudy (yet).
by sevenfly on Feb 13, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The signing question is a good one
We can snag a marion only to have him want to leave in a year. That’s not a good thing. Bosh would have to fall in love with the area and the fans.
I love LMA, but the reasons to trade him for Bosh are good. The team needs to be out of “potential” category and into actual results now. LMA stills seems to be about the potential.
Still, i’d be sad to see the guy go.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 16, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the first trade machine type thing you've posted?
Now I know trade talk is serious!
M—
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
soon we'll see
RealGM trade machine commercials – the ONLY trade machine endorsed by Blazersedge’s Dave Deckard.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If that deal happened
I would cry tears of joy. And then wet myself.
by Garces on Feb 13, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Perfectly possible.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Feb 14, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we can get bosh for only LMA and Sergio
where do i sign up? i just don’t see it. i don’t want to give up rudy, but I figure that might be the price. if it’s outlaw instead, even better.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 13, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically
The trade I linked involves LMA, Sergio, and Outlaw plus RLEC.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It'd be an insane deal
I love love love LMA, but man…
I can’t think it’s possible, but if everyone got who they wanted, why not.
LMA would be missed by me, and he’s much handsomer than ol’ Dino-face Bosh. Though he and Bayless could be the Dino-Bots and munch on the opponents together.
Morty
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed on all counts.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 16, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we got rid of Sergio, Travis, and LaMarcus
who would take the blame after losses, other than Nate? Yikes.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Nobody.
We would never lose.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I want to put points on your face."
-Rudy to Pau Gasol
TRADE TRAVIS OUTLAW FOR A CHAIR
by rockingharder on Feb 13, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey maybe we could swap the buffet of goodness for Trout
and keep the retof the deal the same. As though I like Channing, I prefer Trouts antics on the court better.
by NWfan on Feb 13, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Typo due ot haste
it should read “and keep rest of the deal the same”
by NWfan on Feb 13, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bosh
Would be huge, he is so much more aggressive, i would really miss both LMA and Trout, but I think after webster is back we will have a logjam at SF anyways. I still only give this about a 5-10% chance of happening…
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Feb 13, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This my blow the minds of several BEdgers but Amare to Toronto, Bosh to Portland and LMA to PHX makes sense to me...
I would hate losing LMA to PHX. It would kill me. But I understand what this could mean to the team.
I agree that this scenario could in fact make the Blazers a contender THIS year, and for that reason if KP does this I will simply say:
In KP I Trust!
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LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
RRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by LaMarvelous on Feb 13, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Aargh! I meant this MAY blow the minds...
Blazer's Edge Ambassador to The Dream Shake Blog
LMA Rocks and B-Rex ROARS!!
RRRRRRROOOOOOOWWWWWRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by LaMarvelous on Feb 13, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe I was the first to post the LaMarcus-Amare-Bosh three-way.
Am I KP? I wish!
by PoliSam on Feb 13, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
that I was co-founder of the Bosh to Portland movement, along with bfan. I posted a trade drawer a while ago.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it happens
we’ll give both of you front-page mention. And a new pair of underwear.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd need to kow that Bosh could be resigned.
I have no desire to lose LA to rent Bosh for a year.
by raoulduke on Feb 13, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 16, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How 'bout a comparison of Bosh/LA by someone smarter than me?
Shooting/Range
Dribble penetration
Finishing
Defense (with breakdown against shooters and bangers)
Locker room chemistry
Injury history
Anyone smart enough to answer those questions?
by sevenfly on Feb 13, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
- Bosh is a more effective jump shooter than LaMarcus. I think LMA is around .422 eFG and Bosh is above .450.
- The main arsenal in Bosh’s game is dribble penetration. He’s excellent at it.
- Great finisher. Probably finishes a little harder than LMA. Less reverse layups, more dunks.
- Defense is similar to LMA’s. Very good at guarding the small men on switches, less effective at guarding the big guys in the post. He’s very willing though, like LMA. I give him a slight edge.
Locker room – He really wants to win and be loved, which is the reason he’s unhappy in Toronto. Theoretically that would resolve itself in Portland, though there is no guarantee.
- Injuries – I can’ t remember a significant injury for Bosh, though he does have a sprained knee at the moment.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom liner re: LMA vs Bosh
Bosh is much better.
Just like in the LMA vs Amare debates, the debate isn’t a debate— Amare and Bosh are much better and both young as well.
With Amare you got attitude concerns, with Bosh I don’t think you have that. He just wants to win abd be appreciated. Portland is great at appreciating players, that’s for sure, and you know we’d be winning.
Bosh is sorta playoff-soft, but so is LMA. Oden and Roy will more than make up for that though.
Morty
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And the trade machine says it makes us better
that’s what really matters.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what does it say?
ESPN Trade machine is blocked at my work…
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Feb 13, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if we trade Outlaw, Sergio, and LMA for Bosh, the trade machine projects a six win increase to 57-25.
If the trade machine said it, it must be true.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It does a PER's thing that projects wins and losses after the trade
Projected Record Note:
Projected records are based on the PER of the players in each team’s post-trade rotation. Taking into account the players traded and the ability of their replacements, it is possible for each team in a trade to have a better projected record, or for each team to have a worse one, or for one team to be better and another to be worse by a different number of games.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be hilarious
to try and doctor a multi-team trade that brought your projected wins to zero.
—Dave
by Dave on Feb 13, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Every time you include Travis our projected wins go up by one :)
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to hate that feature
Fans are going to judge trades based on that alone. I’m starting to hate ESPN.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you've just now started?
I’ve been on that train a long time.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing I read at ESPN anymore
is Henry at Truehoop. and honestly I liked his wiork better before going went to espn. Darn that coroporate overhead.
by NWfan on Feb 13, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dan Patrick is cool because he's always throwing light jabs ESPN's way.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 14, 2009 2:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hacked into their mainframe
And after optimizing the quad levels and circumsecting the RAM-leveled hydro flux, I read the code that made up the Trade Machine.
The “new record” predictor is just adding up jersey numbers to get its results!
M—
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This means Dave was right
Batum is untouchable.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One question to all: Does this make Boozer leaving Utah towards sunny Florida more or less likely?
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Less
But the rumor is the Heat didn’t want him as much anymore.
Boozer may be in for a cruel summer
by dprodigy19 on Feb 13, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why less? its more likely
now they have a center and a SG to build around (if oneal gets his old form back, which i doubt) boozer could play PF
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miami doesn't have the money now
Swapping JO for Banks gives Miami another $18m in cap for 2009-2010, so they’ll be over the cap and need to do a sign and trade to get Boozer there (assuming he opts out)
by dprodigy19 on Feb 13, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking about it I suppose now it makes it less likely too
Because this deal eats Miami’s cap space they would have had if Marion had expired for them. O’Neal has a player option for 2009/10, but he is sure to use it since nobody is going to pay him 23 million dollars on the free agent market. That effectively eliminates Miami as a player for Boozer.
If everything turns out wrong for Utah, Boozer doesn’t find a taker (although there should be teams out there wanting him, e.g. OKC and Memphis. Not exactly what he wanted). If he doesn’t opt out, Utah has no cap space and could lose Millsap or another guy they want to keep in the process (Okur, Korver). That deal definitely has interesting implications for the Jazz.
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point, the Chicago Bulls seem to be the most likely destination for Carlos Boozer.
by AK1984 on Feb 13, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Amare gets there first
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
by Norsktroll on Feb 13, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't have the cap space
Unless they trade Hinrich or Nocioni, they can’t sign Boozer to the type of contract he wants.
Vinny Del Negro interviewed for the job today. I mean come on! Nobody else thinks this is nuts?
by Juiceboxjerry on Jun 6, 2008 4:21 PM CDT actions actions 0 recs
by Ozzie Montana on Feb 13, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's one way to clear up that conundrum.
“Rather than shave salary cap space for 2010, the Chicago Bulls should look to clear room for this upcoming summer. Although I’m not a huge fan of Carlos Boozer, he’d be a solid fit at power forward alongside center Joakim Noah — as they’ve got complementary skill sets — with a trade of Larry Hughes to the New York Knicks for Malik Rose and Jared Jeffries accomplishing that objective; that’s because Rose has an expiring contract. The Knicks would benefit from that deal, too, since the organization would cut $6,883,800 from its books come the summer of 2010, which’d give it some room to go after LeBron James and Chris Bosh.”
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/29/740194/jason-quick-talks-big-trad#11836314
Hell, that’s a win-win trade proposal in my book.
by AK1984 on Feb 13, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sad, he helps them win a game on a dunk last night and then he is traded the next day. Seems like sometimes teams trade just to make a trade. If JO can stay healthy I think he can help the heat though.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
by mxpx5678 on Feb 13, 2009 10:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Miami keeps the cap savings
for the summer of 2010. Players love Miami — great weather, great women and club scene, no state income tax — and I’d imagine lots of those big-name guys that summer would jump at the chance to go play alongside Wade in such a FA-friendly location. It’s in the East to boot, so getting to the Finals is gonna be easier in that side of the bracket for the foreseeable future. This trade has little to do with the on-court product in Miami for the next season and a half in my opinion: if JO works out, great, but if he doesn’t they weren’t gonna win the championship anyway.
For Toronto, it’s a decent move. Marion will fit in well there — they’ve struggled to get quality wing play. If he works out, they can resign him and say to Bosh, “Look, we’re trying to win!” If not, they let him expire and play with some cap space this summer. Decent for both teams, better for Miami.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 13, 2009 10:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
the income tax thing is huge
players actually end up getting close the amount their contract says
by northwestj on Feb 13, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd still be in the highest federal tax bracket
Which is way bigger than most states’ income tax, unless you’re california
by TimG on Feb 13, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think the East will be the Least anymore
by 2010. All the big WC powerhouses are aging. What will SA, Dallas, Phoenix, Utah look like by then?
but your other points are good.
I like this move for Miami right now because the main thing they lack is a strong post presence. This could pan out well for them this year, possibly taking them a round deeper into the playoffs.
by LicketyBrindle on Feb 13, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking
that the L*kers and the Blazers, in combination with the Jazz, are gonna have a stranglehold on the top of the West for the foreseeable future. I agree that the depth won’t be the same, but the quality at the top is the key issue.
If Jermaine does work out on the court and they advance an extra round like you say, that’ll make Wade happy. Happy Wade = Happy Miami.
by BlazersOrBust on Feb 13, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hornets are in that group too
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Feb 13, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Paul makes Sean Marks a good player
the Hornets will be good for the next twelve years.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going with overrated there too
CP makes that engine tick. Without him, there’s nothing. Better than the Jazz, but without a major change, just constant runner ups.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 16, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still say the jazz are overrated
they’ve been doing a great job proving me right this year.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 16, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that may be true
but the power in the west will be in two teams. Blazers and Lakers.
The east doesn’t currently have a team that is set to challenge the potential of those two teams healthy.
That said, with some major shake-ups the east could consolidate power (lebron/Rose/Wade) and be a dominate force. I’d be willing to bet that after this year, no east coast teams wins without one of those players. Two of those players and you have a dynasty that challenges the potential Portland/Laker Dynasty.
Of course, the thing about looking to the future is that everything can change in one day (trades, injuries, deaths).
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 16, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just what the Raptors needed
They have been DYING for an athletic wing for years now, so Marion could really, really help them as long as he is motivated to play. And they finally have a back up in Marcus Banks, even though he isn’t worth his contract. He can at least PLAY, which is a step above what they got now.
And Jamario Moon was incredibly overrated… at least last year he was.
Good trade for Toronto, as far as I can see.
And Miami has an eye on 2010, so this helps them too. I wonder if Wade will like it though, since this will make them not as good right now (unless Jermaine gets/stays healthy).
Morty
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think if O'Neal can play that Miami has a chance at the playoffs this year.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They'll definitely be more interesting to watch...
I don’t think Moon is overrated. The combo could help Miami make a 2nd round push.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 13, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how ya define overrated
He’s a dude who makes more mistakes mentally than Outlaw, is 28, doesn’t really understand team offense or defense, and can’t really shoot.
He can dunk though, and is very athletic.
I think he became a little-lot overrated last season when he came out of nowhere to grab the starting spot for the Raptors, and then people started seeing him as more of a complete player when he only was a few highlight reel dunks. The reporters who follow the Raptors have often commented on how he doesn’t really work hard on his game, even with his long road to the NBA, and doesn’t take improvement or studying the game very seriously.
I love his story and how he became their starter, but he’s a frustrating player to watch for me.
His athleticism and effort in the game can get a lot of steals and blocks some game, too. He’s not a bad guy to have on your bench to throw out there, I guess. I just don’t think he’s anything more.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but gotta remember he is still young basketball wise
not maybe age wise but he is still a second year player
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, but
By the time he ‘gets it’ (if ever) it’s retirement time for ol’ Jamario.
He’s a NBA player, just a very-role-playing one. If he’s getting big minutes, you’re not very good at SFing.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Batum plays the game better
and he’s an incredibly raw rookie prone to dumb rookie mistakes. That speaks volumes about Moon.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And, Moon is the same player as last year.
I just don’t trust athletic dudes who never improve because they don’t work on their game. They get old, very fast.
Mo’
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like the anti-Roy
he’ll be good forever, because he depends on skill more than athleticism. Is he going to lose blazing speed at 31? No.
Gerald Wallace, on the other hand, will probably decline pretty quickly at 30/31ish.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
plus he was great for fantasy leagues.
He took me to number one on a few teams last year.
The goal is not to be better, the goal is to be the best.
by ratbastird on Feb 16, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing is that Moon is only 2 years younger than Marion
so Moon isn’t really getting better. He is what he is.
by NWfan on Feb 13, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget about the Raptor and the Heat for a momen
how does this deal affect portland (regarding deadline deals)?
by northwestj on Feb 13, 2009 11:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Probably doesn't unless Portland wanted someone in from this trade.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This does take one
defensive minded small forward veteran off the table. That does affect Portland’s options…you have to think they were at least considering Marion.
by JasonT on Feb 13, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Heck no, I an't thinking that
Culture > Marion
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we wanted Marion
We coulda’ got him, easy.
If he wasn’t happy in PHX, he wasn’t gonna be happy in Portland, and he wasn’t playing very hard in Miami (and they really could have used a Marion playing to his full capabilities).
Marion messed up his career by being a dunderhead, and we don’t want a part of that.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Feb 13, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it takes miami out of the stoudamire sweepstakes
makes phoenix more desperate, more likely to do a 3way with chi and us
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think this puts the Blazers in the running for Michael Beasley.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 12:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Raptors don't have to give up Bosh to acquire Stoudemire.
The Raptors can deal 3 players who “fit” with Shaq, because they can hit the 3/space the floor.
Young talent: Bargnani(deal expires in 2 yrs)
Expiring contract: Anthony Parker ($5M)
Filler: Kapono($5M moveable contract, deal expires in 2 yrs)
+ #1 pick
Make it so, Colangelo!
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Feb 13, 2009 1:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Stoudemire would not share the floor with Bosh effectively, I bet
and one of them would have to guard the center… or should I say, centre.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like Bargnani and Bosh have established themselves as a great 1-2 punch.
As things stand, wouldn’t Bargnani be tasked with guarding centers? I think Stoudemire is the better defender and offensive player.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Feb 13, 2009 1:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Amare to Chicago could would, could we get in on that deal?
I’m thinking, Phoenix, of all team, in their situation, would be glad to give up Amare for RLEC… So could we get Deng and Hinrich?
This trade works: Amare and Channing Frye to the Bulls; RLEC and Blake to the Suns; Deng and Hinrich to us.
Seriously, would Chicago do this to get Amare? to them its Deng and Hinrich for amare and Frye, for us, it’s RLEC, Frye, and Blake for Deng and Hinrich, and for the suns, it’s Steve Blake (expiring contract—or insurance for a potential trade of Nash) and RLEC for Amare—which is the worst deal, but Phoenix, of all teams, might view that deal as better than others they might get, for the financials.
by TimG on Feb 13, 2009 3:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or...
Travis and Raef to Phoenix, Amare to Chicago, Hinrich Nocioni to Portland.
Of course, all of these assume that Phoenix ends up not being able to resist RLEC’s money. I think chicago would do this in a heartbeat, same with portland, and Phoenix just might.
by TimG on Feb 13, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no way Phoenix would do it
they want to dump Amar’e but not that bad.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 13, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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