Game 52 Recap: Blazers 98, Warriors 105
General Observations
This wasn't a horrible game. It wasn't the Blazers' best effort, of course, but it was nowhere near the energy-free frustration fest we saw last week against the Thunder. Rather the Blazers had some fundamental breakdowns that submarined their effort no matter how much energy they put into it (which varied in stretches from "bleh" to "a lot").
The crux of the matter tonight was spacing on both ends of the court. Even when they were mobile the Blazers motored to positions that weren't as effective as they could have been. They wasted men, the ball, and opportunities. When you're playing against a team that considers scoring 100 about as difficult as Michael Phelps considers lapping a kiddie pool that makes winning difficult.
The basic idea of spacing on offense is creating lanes. You want openings for drives and you want nice diagonals to make crisp passes. In general you want to avoid being on the same plane horizontally or vertically, since then a defender can easily cut you off from the guy you're lined up with. The Blazers played a lot of one-on-one tonight, which wasn't necessarily horrible when that was the plan. However we were forced into solo ball because a lot of the off-ball guys didn't react to the play developing. The offense was flat and the dribbler had few options. When those passing lanes aren't there it makes any double team devastating. That's just what the Warriors did. Portland made a lot of shots but they were tough. Whenever the Blazers went to Plan B and tried to move the ball instead of score the Warriors either picked it off or got a couple guys there right when the ball arrived to foil the recipient. Except for Brandon Roy and a few moves by Lamarcus Aldridge in the lane the Blazers scored on jumpers or offensive boards...or they didn't score at all.
On defense you generally want to space yourselves out so you can cover your man but also find avenues to navigate in case help is needed. You never want to get so committed to a certain spot that you can't recover anywhere else. The Blazers not only committed tonight, they got married, signed the license in blood, bronzed it, and encased it in bulletproof glass with a museum-quality security system around it. Mind you, this was in a good cause. The Blazers were willing help defenders tonight. You didn't see guys getting beat on the perimeter and Golden State getting unopposed buckets. What you did see was a bunch of Blazers bunched around the ball without actually stopping the ball. When you have two or three guys sold on a play but you don't trap the ball it becomes easy for the opponent to either flip a pass for an open shot or get the offensive rebound off of the tough shot you forced. Both happened tonight, especially the latter. Portland's young players were phased by the aggressive Warrior double-teaming. The Warrior double-teaming was also planned. The Golden State vets took advantage of the double teams as many times as they were hurt by them. Also Portland's doubles looked less planned and more along the lines of, "Oh crap! That guy's loose! Get him!"
When you combine all of that stuff with some good, old-fashioned Golden State one-on-one firepower you'll usually come up with a loss, which is what the Blazers did.
Other contributing factors:
--The Blazers committed a season-high 23 turnovers (beating the old season high of 21 I believe, also acquired against the Warriors). Everybody who played except for Channing Frye (2 minutes) had one. Almost all of our major players had crooked numbers' worth. You are just asking...nay, begging...the Warriors to beat you when you do that. The actual net loss off of turnovers was only -2 but there were still 6-8 points the Warriors shouldn't have had in there, not to mention the scoring opportunities the Blazers gave up.
--The Warriors came within 2 offensive rebounds of the Blazers (13 to 15) and last I heard they beat us in second-chance points. I said "second chance points" there, not fast break (though they did that as well, of course). That's like getting beaten by Manute Bol in a limbo contest. Ronny Turiaf had 7 all by himself. Don't blame the centers, blame the spacing and the difficulty our smaller perimeter players had holding their own against vets like Stephen Jackson and Corey Maggette.
--The Blazers missed a ton of layups early. That helped dig the hole.
--The foul shot deficit was enormous. Portland was 14-17 for the game. Golden State was 39-43. It's tough to make up 25 points. The refs had a bad, bad night too. I'm not saying they were biased against Portland even, though there were a couple of weird calls that you don't usually see made the way they were. Rather they'd blow a call, realize it, and then blow a call the other way to make up for it. They just seemed shaken out there. Again, though, Portland didn't give them a ton of reasons to make calls their way. The basketball wasn't that pretty or effective.
Put those all together and you see why the Blazers never could come back in this game. There were just too many leaks in the boat. The defining moment of the game to me came with 6:55 left in the third quarter. The Blazers were shooting 4-6 in the period, the Warriors 1-10. Yet Portland had only made up 3 points out of the 12-point deficit they owned at the half. You knew at that point we were going to lose. We made a game try of it at the end of the fourth quarter but too many things had to go right to make that work. Without rebounding and taking care of the ball better earlier in the game we left ourselves too much ground to make up.
Give credit to the Warriors too. They started the game hotter than Golden State beat writer Janny Hu. (You're just going to have to trust me on that one. Yowza! I love Quick and Freeman but I'd trade them and the prospect we stashed away writing obituaries until he develops to get her on the Blazer beat.) Portland slowed them down after that but they kept coming up with great individual efforts from Jackson, Ellis, Maggette, and Turiaf to bail them out of trouble.
Individual Observations
--This game wasted a smooth-as-butter 37 points from Brandon Roy. Whenever the Warriors sent extra men to confuse him he just went to the well and scored. Simple, but effective. His defense wasn't that special until the closing run when he really turned it up. 14-21 shooting, 3-5 from distance, 6-8 from the line, 2 assists, 2 rebounds, 2 steals, 3 turnovers. Those low numbers in the assist and rebound department show you what an individualistic game this became.
--Lamarcus Aldridge also had a fine offensive effort, getting into the paint and scoring 20 points on 8-13 shooting. He spent the game chasing around smaller guys on defense which led to 3 rebounds and 5 fouls. That's similar to his last game in Oakland. This matchup hasn't favored us as much as it could have. Lamarcus did do an OK job when he was forced into single coverage on some of those scorers. He couldn't catch or keep the ball and was credited with 5 turnovers.
--Greg Oden dominated when he could actually play. He was 4-5 tonight, most of them dunks, and had 11 rebounds in 18 minutes. He also had 5 fouls. He had to move too much on defense.
--Sergio Rodriguez had some nice offensive moves in the lane and dished 7 assists. He was the only guy who could get a pass off consistently. He accumulated 4 turnovers while making those passes but that's the way the game went. He got 3 steals as well.
--Nicolas Batum had the usual effort but he wasn't effective at stopping anybody.
--None of the bench players had great nights except for Travis Outlaw's 12 rebounds (YAAAAAY!) and Rudy Fernandez getting 5 assists and 2 steals in 25 minutes. Joel didn't play poorly. This was just not a good opponent for him. Bayless didn't have a real impact except for turning the ball over just like everybody else. The bench combined for only 23 points which wasn't enough against this team.
Final Thoughts
Time to rest, regroup, and come back refocused for a playoff run...the first one Portland has seen in ages. Every game from here on gets tougher and takes on new meaning. Let's hope the week off cures this mini-slump we've been having. Otherwise this team is going to get blindsided something fierce.
Check out the celebration at GoldenStateofMind.
Also check out your Jersey Contest scores and enter the next game here.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I'm stoked for the cha thread
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 PM PST reply actions
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The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Is this
the live chat thread? And how much per minute? (Live chat thread just reminds of those cheesy meet live girls! numbers you’d see late at night).
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by supremepuntiff on Feb 12, 2009 11:43 PM PST reply actions
Stay here too late, and it will turn into that
The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely
by SandbergOnSports on Feb 12, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions
I knew we'd be losing this game within 5 minutes
Fouls: 32 to 18, turnovers 23 to 14.
Did the Warriors suddenly lock down their own turnovers? No
The Blazers suddenly decide to foul their opponents on half their trips down the court? No
Did the Blazers suddenly lose their ability to grip the basketball? No
This was was 70% zebra, 20% not being able to make layups, and 10% spacing
Funny that we are so good
that 6 out of the last 10 is a mini-slump
by southern oregon on Feb 13, 2009 12:21 AM PST reply actions
Were the refs as bad as Wheels made them out to be?
You know you never can tell with him. At some points he sounded like he was going to cry.
Oderint dum metuant
"They made some bad calls"
UNDERSTATEMENT OF THE YEAR!!!
The Warriors flopped all over the court and 999 times out of 1000 they called us for the foul. If we ran past somebody and the resulting wind misplaced a hair on the Warriors arms it was called as a Blazer foul. Meanwhile we were being treated like ping pong balls being bounced back and forth between Warrior defenders, just getting all out mugged and calls were not being made. The 43 to 17 free throw advantage pretty much sums up the game. We got completely jobbed. Sure it wasn’t our best effort by any means but it still should have been good enough to win by a double digit margin. Its absolutely mind numbing how horrible and one sided the officiating was. It is easily the worst reffing I have sen in recent memory. We shouldn’t have to beat thee opponet AND the officials. This is absolutely inexcusable and something needs to be done. What happened to fining players for flopping? I haven’t heard about a single player being fined. There needs to be oversight and transparency in the officiating. Stern needs to get up and do something about this, because as others have said, this is far from the first incident of late, and certainly not even the first incident with the Blazers of late. Absolutely terrible. The game is far too influenced by the officials in the NBA. Just make the right calls for God’s sake. No more of this superstar treatment, no more rookie treatment, no more rewarding floppers who undermine the integrity of the rules, JUST CALL THE GAME HOW ITS SUPPOSED TO BE CALLED ACCORDING TO THE RULES. I’m seriously considering boycotting the NBA until this is resolved.
by Qyntel Woods on Feb 13, 2009 2:20 AM PST up reply actions
Dave, I know you are invested in trying to be reasonable,but......
…….there is a limit. That was one of the worst officiated games I can recall.
Half of our turnovers were offensive fouls on Warrior flops. The Golden State players and coaches were actually LAUGHING at some of the calls. It was totally ridiculous.
Not only were the calls absurd but the standards were totally different for the two teams. Brandon, Bayless, and Trout all got hammered going to the rim and got repeated non-calls.
I do not know what was up, but the Zebras totally altered the course of the game. How often have you seen Oden, Pryz and LMA with 16 fouls among them? Our bigs were not allowed to play and that completely changed the course of the game.
by upper left corner on Feb 13, 2009 8:59 AM PST up reply actions
You know what go watch ALL the other games that GSW played and then tell me in how many
games the Warriors were screwed and then you can come back and start crying about how the refs are so hard on the Warriors because we(Warriors fans) don’t speak about it anymore.We are used to beeing screwed.
Not saying anything about how you guys get treated......
…..just saying THIS game was officiated terribly. Your assistant coaches and players were actually LAUGHING OUT LOUD at the absurdity of the fouls. Oh well, hopefully it all equals out in the long run. Good Luck.
by upper left corner on Feb 14, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions
"Player "no-name nobody" is 0 for 96 from the 3-point line."
"But tonight he’s 35 for 35.
If he played the Blazers every night he’d be an all-star."
Wheels’ is painful to listen to some nights, but there’s worse out there, for sure.
I haven’t seen the game for myself yet.
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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"The rancor reflected in that remark I won't dignify with comment. But I'll address your general attitude of hopeless negativism." – Everett "O Brother, where art Thou?"
THAT's why I have such a tough time
listening to Blazer radio broadcasts. WHeels ALWAYS makes it sound like the refs are screwing the Blazers. I can listen to him on the way home, then when I get a chance to watch the game, it’s like there is a different set of refs.
Look, I love home cooking on the radio, but Wheeler just gets too carried away.
by antediluvian on Feb 13, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
If DAVE says the refs were bad...
…then, the refs were bad.
Now, I think we lost the game fair and square and we got no one to blame except ourselves for the loss. We played right into the Warriors gameplan and they deserved the victory.
But GOOD GOD refs, I can’t believe how completely awful they were at reffing the post play. They KNOW the smaller guy is going to flop, and right when our bigs made a normal back down move— no elbows flaring out, no big shove, no wrap around— and we get called for the foul after extremely obvious and pre-planned flops. It was completely ridiculous.
I’m not upset we lost, but I’m upset by that atrocious (and predictable) bad reffing. It happened time and time again, and since I don’t believe the refs are idiots, I have no answer to why they wouldn’t KNOW the Warriors were going to forcibly flop to take away the Blazer’s size advantage.
Just strange, strange decisions by those refs. They should have been much more prepared, and any adult who does not suffer from severe cranial trauma should not be so gullible with those flops.
Again, the Dubs deserved the victory, and were smart to flop. I ain’t mad at them, or think they robbed us.
Mortimer
I am
Flopping is like holding in football or hitting a guy from behind in hockey. It’s against the rules, but some players make a living trying to do it when the refs aren’t watching. This is despicable play used by players who lack the skills needed to play real.
We played the same game at home and on the road. No flopping calls at home and many many flopping calls on the road. No surprise there.
We didn´t adjust our game to the circunstances.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
You're right
But when they are letting flopping like that happen, I have no idea how our post players can adjust… except for LMA, who can shoot jumpers, I guess.
I don’t remember the reffing to be so bad in the first game in Oakland, and Oden had his best game statistically back then too.
If post players aren’t allowed to post up because simple backdown moves get called as fouls every time, I dunno how they can adjust besides just not post up. I get the homecourt advantage, but it was pretty bad to my eyes.
HOWEVER, we lost fair and square, and played sufficiently crappy to lose the game anyways.
Mortimer
Shouldn't Dave
warn people first?
Oh, rats….
When I rule the world, everyone will know how to use Excel.
Err I thought it was a pretty horrible game
At least a horrible first half. For the life of me I will never understand why Nate starts the people he does, but I guess he loves starting slow over and over and over and over.
And as bad as the refs were, they were NOT the reason the Blazers lost the game. That would be poor effort, lack of urgency, bad decisions with the ball, etc etc
Blazer Fan
Then again more and more I'm realizing the team we want these guys to be is at least a year or two away
We’re simply not mature or focused enough to win all the games on the road that we should. Or at home for that matter sometimes.
It will take time. We’re paying the price right now for the privilege of watching a title contender in a few years.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Feb 13, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
The starters almost came back and won it for us
Replacing Batum with Rudy that is. We probably should have gone with the 3 guard lineup more often tonight as is. We scored at will in the 4th and our defense didn’t suffer at all.
Dave you need to make a correction for LaMarcus Aldridge's
individual performance. If LaMarcus only had 5 fouls, he wouldn’t have actually fouled out in the 4th quarter. Though, it is an understandable mistake….I too was denying the existance of that 6th foul call…which was one of the all time flops in flopping history.
Fines for Flops
I thought the NBA was going to start fining players for flopping?
LMA
3 Rebounds? Isn’t the guy close to 7 foot. Also if LMA has a reputation for being soft why should he get bogus charging fouls when Maggette flops. Isn;t it ironic that as many times as Maggette gets to the line he feels he can flop on D?
Any Martell sightings?
Any word on Steve’s new one? Trusting all are well.
Can we expect Old man Blake to slip back into the driver’s seat of the Blazer tour bus when they next take to the hardwood? Please?
A six for ten mini slump. Boy have our expectations risen. Now stand by for furious playoff pushes by several veteran teams nipping at our heels. What a wonderful thing.
I can see a delicious looking cake through the little windowi in the oven door. Waiting is harder (and more fun) than ever!
Thank you Dave, you make being a Blazer fan even more fun.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
The long game re-cap leaves out the obvious:
Sergio Rogriguez cannot make a lay-up in the NBA because he can’t jump. Sergio had an awful game and it depresses the whole team when their point guard is so weak.
It does no good when Sergio dribbles around and then goes to the hole, because the other team knows that at the end he’s gonna put up a soft lay-up off the backboard like a high school player. Bayless may be inexperienced, but at least he can finish strong. Sergio might do OK on a team that plays Euro-style, where he can get unchallenged lay-ups. But that’s not the Blazers style.
I can’t help but wonder if the experiment with the Spanish players is having an effect on the team’s morale. How long are we supposed to wait for Rudy to start hitting some shots? Right now, when those guys are in there, they are a liability to the team.
"Civilization is the arteriosclerosis of culture."
You watch the same game?
Sergio ran the offense fine.
5/11 shooting with one silly shot at the end is fine.
7 assists that would have been higher if Outlaw could convert a 4 on 1 fast break layup. (We went on a stretch of missing 4-5 assisted shots in a row too, but that happens.)
4 turnovers is a bit high, but it would have been 3 if Ellis wouldn’t have held Rudy. (I think they credited that to Sergio.)
And how many times did the shot clock run down this game? Sergio is a lot weaker in the paint than some players, but the amount of no calls in the paint is still ridiculous.
(BTW, Sergio/Rudy/Oden had a + tonight. Everyone else was in the negative, led by Bayless.)
I'm not totally a numbers guy
so we’ll probably never agree. But I think the team looks weak and unsure of itself when Sergio is out there. It doesn’t look like one of the top teams in the league – like it does sometimes when Blake is out there. I like a point guard that strikes fear in the opponent and I just don’t think Sergio scares anybody. And it’s why I think Bayless has such a bright future. Blake doesn’t scare anybody either, but he hits clutch shots and makes the guys feel comfortable out there.
"Civilization is the arteriosclerosis of culture."
Depends on when
I’m sticking with this. In the 4th quarter we were unstoppable. We scored at will and even with some of the ridiculous calls we beat them by 11.
In the first quarter we looked kinda meh with a similar roster. (Batum instead of Rudy.)
It’s possible that we look out of rhythym early because of Batum’s roll as a stand in the corner and shoot guy. Be interesting to see our starts compared to his games.
the blazers didn't adjust from the first meeting
the W’s didn’t do anything different, save the fact that we were out our only true center and only person on the team capable of rebound—you guys are rebounding machines, btw—blame the refs if you want, but c’mon. where’s the adjustments?
maggs 2 aldrige 0
GSW “bigs” 1 oden 0
the W’s turned the blazers strength into a liability. though pdx slowed the game down (uncomfortably so for us) we still played well. this W’s team is a better squad than i think you guys expected.
anyway, major props and and shouts to all in the rose city! PSU alum right here! GO VIKS!!
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Feb 13, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions
tough to "adjust" when you are on the bench after the refs buy 3 straight ridiculous Maggette flops
Boomshakalaka
Why can't most home fans admit when they got calls?
It’s not too hard to do and it doesn’t make you look like any less of a fan.
sure we got some calls, that's the way it goes
but look, we get to the line consistently more than any other team in the league (or 2nd most). there’s a reason for that. we get calls. we’re aggressive. we get the correct calls and sometimes the incorrect calls. i mean, c’mon guys like it or not, no one draws more fouls tha maggs not named lebron, kobe or dwade. i can see how it’s frustrating, it’s frustrating for me that we pay him all this money to come off the bench. but seriously… no love for a PSU grad?
i suffered through the blazers rebuilding years—> my avatar is taken at the rose garden! (night we FINALLY made it to the playoffs). i appreciate your passion.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Feb 13, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
but what i'm saying is that happens fairly consistently each game, not just against you
and lowering the shoulder into a set player is an offensive foul. i don’t know how i’m supposed to apologize for the ref’s that will satisfy you. we’ve got 20 wins and you guys are playoff bound. if anything, i should be the one who’s upset after having my 48 win team completely dismantled… but, whatever. good luck to you guys and i’ll be rooting for you come PO time.
the stop calling him "beans" movement
by pervisNeverNervous on Feb 13, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
We all love the Warriors
And most of us aren’t specifically mad that we lost, just that most of the offensive fouls called were pretty rubbish.
Yeah, you can’t rear back and level your shoulder into someone, but we were just backing down like any other post player would. Then, the post defender would get shot by a sniper and fall backwards. Since the refs couldn’t see the sniper (snipers are good at hiding in the 300 level), they had to call the foul on the guy with the ball even though he was just backing into his man.
I blame the hidden snipers, personally. Those guys are jerks. It is amazing Maggette was able to survive so many gunshots though, but that’s what the muscles are for!
No one is mad at ya or wanting you to ‘admit’ anything. We’re just being fans, bitching about what we think are some bad calls against us. I think most of us agree though, sniper assassins notwithstanding, you guys earned the victory.
Mortimer
CM
Many of us have given the guy mad props on his offense. Refs gave him some ticky tack fouls, but that is his reward for taking it to the hoop.
The defensive end is where we are complaining, and yes, shipping out our center that would dominate you does affect the game.
OK -W's got calls
so what? but still this wasn’t main reason why Blazers lost
they lost 3rd in a row to W’s this season
-there must be something more then ‘just refs’
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by Lat We N Trash on Feb 13, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
excuse me -was too excited
:) almost 3 in a row :)
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 13, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
It's a fun series
Thus far, it’s been a total “we kill you at home you kill us at your home” type series, so the first to break the cycle gets bragging rights!
Well, you get bragging rights for now I guess, since you won this season, but there’s always next year! We’ll get you then!
DAMN the schedule makers for making it 2 games in Oakland and only one in Portland. DAMN THEM.
Mortimer
DAMN
i remember games from last season when Blazers killed W’s at home in last minutes and it was really painful because i got Blazers feed
-and when someone (don’t remember who) after W’s turnover finished fastbreak this old guy with dusty voice said something like yeah -stick that knife in warriors back it was really annoying and frustrating
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 13, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
It wasn't the main reason we lost, you're right
You guys deserved the victory.
We beat ya in Portland, like normal, so it ain’t a 3 game sweep exactly (since ya didn’t win 3 games).
The flopping calls were reeeeaaaally bad though. So a post player can’t post up now and do a backdown move? Since when? It was comedically silly, and the refs treated the post defenders like foppish dandys who we were brutalizing with our monstrous backdown move.
You guys won the game, no argument there. But if a guy can’t do what has been done for millions of years (post up), then what is basketball now?
Mortimer
And the last game
Should have gone into OT despite Portland playing an awful game. Not exactly the best argument there.
Thanks, Dave.
I disagree with your opening line… this game was horrible. For a game featuring the team that leads the league in scoring and the team with one of the most efficient offenses I thought we’d see a faster moving game that ended in the 100’s. Boy was I wrong.
This was the slowest, most plodding game I can remember watching in… well, maybe ever. Watching the Pistons vs. Spurs Finals matchup a few years ago was better for me. The clock never seemed to be moving… or at least remain moving for long. There was ZERO life in this game on either end from the 6 minute mark in the 1st (when the W’s ran out to a lead in attractive fashion) to the 6 minute mark in the 4th (when the TB’s made a game of it).
Ultimately though, I thought the refs decided the outcome. Whistles on Oden, Aldridge, and Przy early and often kept them out. Oden looked good when he was allowed to move. Even Aldridge was going at the rim. How many times did BRoy, Rudy, or JBay get bumped on their way to the rack with no call? I mean, 14 more fouls and 26 more free throws? C’mon, that’s ridiculous.
GW worked the iso all night (effectively) and played defense with a swarming vigor. They seemed to be in the right place at the right time. But man, those refs… ugh. I was amazed even in the 1st quarter at how lopsided the calls seemed to be going… like the refs just wanted to get on break and decided that the home team usually wins and so should. Butt ugly game by them, for sure.
I know his stats show he did alright, but I thought Sergio was AWFUL tonight. I’ve decided that he isn’t a good passer. He can’t make entry passes into the post. He’s incapable. He’ll have GO on the low block with his man sealed begging for the ball… Serg will look at him, and will think about how he wishes he could get him the ball, but he ends up moving the ball (usually by dribbling, not passing… this kid is a dribbler) to the other side of the court for something else. I think everyone thinks he’s a great passer because of the alley oops to Rudy. I don’t think he’s a good passer. For me, the Sergio experiment is over and needs to come to a close. I’d like him to be gone by the deadline.
One last thing… GIVE THE MAN HIS “M”!!! C’mon, Dave, “M” “M” “M”!!!
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions
The Blazers' youth showed last night.
They looked rattled and seemed unable to adjust to what GS and the refs were doing. The blown layups and turnovers were proof of that. Blake’s precision passing and veteran calm would have helped tremendously. I hope he’s back in action next week.
As for the refs, they weren’t Lakers-Kings-2002-WC-Finals-Game-6 bad, but they sure seemed to be favoring the Dubs. Jim Barnett, commentating on the broadcast, mentioned a couple of times that the refs seemed confused out there and that he couldn’t figure out what it was they were trying to do. OTOH, he seemed to think most of the foul calls were correct, even expressing surprise at Nate for arguing a couple of calls. Whatever the case, I think the Blazers let the officiating get into their heads.
I don't think Nate was arguing too many calls...
aside from the flops, but more that he was arguing that his players were getting hit the same but no calls on their end.
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by LaughingJon on Feb 13, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions
This is probably the worst game I've watched
For 10 reasons besides just our bad play
1. Turnovers. We played right into Nellie’s hands by pushing the temp way too hard and forcing bad passes.
2. Lack of Aggression. Yeah, it’s hard to be aggressive when you’re getting fouls called on you left and right. But if you know that’s going to be the case, make the fouls count. Throw an elbow and put Maggot’s nose straight into his brain. He’s going to fall no matter how soft you touch him, so shove him into the upper deck and gain a little respect.
3. Terrible officiating. I’m tired of people saying “we lost this game fair and square” because that’s simply not the case. The officiating was completely one sided, there is zero debate about that. I don’t know if Maggot and Jackson threaten the refs family or carry guns in their duffel bags, but you do not make those calls. The icing on the cake was at the end of the game when LaMarcus was backing down Maggot and he just fell to the floor with no contact. Followed by Rudy being held on the inbounds play. We lost the game because of officiating, period.
4. Horrible officiating. When we try and slash to the basket, more often then not there’s at least three GS players hacking, poking and slapping our guys. Maybe the officials don’t make the call because there are too many people fouling and they don’t know who to call it on. When your players have to think about fouling out of the game and there’s really no rhyme or reason to any of the calls except that you know you’re not going to get any and the other team is, you can’t play basketball.
5. Nate. When you’re down by an average of thirteen for most of the game and it’s obvious something isn’t working, make some changes. Don’t stick with your regular formula. Put some guys in there, tell them to establish some hard fouls and aggression and take them out. Nate focuses way too much on what his team is doing and not how to get in the other teams head, throw them off their game and reestablish his own game plan.
6. Respect. We homers see the potential already coming to fruition. But no one in the national media respects how good we actually are. They know they can pick us apart on pick and roll. They know we have no interior defense, let alone much defense at all. We are at such a clockwork system right now that no one even needs to scout us. Remember last season when Nate decided to let his players play and have fun? That needs to happen again. It got us 13 in a row last season and with the All-Star break here, it’s time to throw a wrench in the way people scout us.
7. Same old, same old. Oh weird, we dug ourselves a hole and don’t even begin to climb out of it until late in the 4th. Doing this takes such a psychological toll on the team and with it’s frequency as of late ANY time we’re down by ten in the second the team is going to have even lower morale every time it happens.
8. We need Steve Blake so, so much. Who knows what our roster will look like next weekend. But I’m confident with Blake back at the helm we’ll see these early deficits not look so unmanageable. Sergio seems to react in the exact opposite manner as Blake in situations like last night. Steve will make a crisp inside pass, establish his perimeter shooting to draw the defense or make some other timely play to keep our heads above water. Sergio will haul his butt down the court and throw an ill-advised pass to the wrong guy trying to make a big play too quickly.
9. Keep Oden in. It’s the 4th. He’s got 4 fouls. Let the man foul out of the game. I have to believe that if he stayed in that one for a while longer we would have only been down five or six for a decent stretch. You could see he wanted to play, he wanted to win. He was doing good things for us and by the third it should have been obvious no matter what big man we had out there, fouls would be called. He and Roy could have had an excellent two man game for some uncontested inside points.
10. It’s trade time. I’m tired of all the speculation and trade machines. But there are missing pieces on this team. All I want is a defensive wingman while Batum develops and an offensive PF. I don’t care who they are, just make the deal.
Life is hilarious.
#9
I agree on this point. Nate has become so predictable with Greg’s fouls. If he fouls once, I could already sense Pryz taking off his warm ups and coming in. I don’t know what he’s saving Greg for. There’s not too much of a drop off if he fouls out anyway. And so far, Oden has shown that he needs to establish some rhythm to be effective. He should be allowed to play through it, well, just to see if he can.
The reason I personally say "we lost fair and square"
Is because I’m not a “the refs robbed us” sort of guy, and I think we’re good enough to overcome it.
The INSANE amount of turnovers, the poor defense contributed to our loss more than the refs. I HATED hated hated the refs this game (and I’ve bitched about it more than I normally do, because how they ref’d the post play was moronic), but we coulda’ still won.
About #9… Nate had Oden back in with 5 fouls for a lengthy stretch, to try one last OOMPH push. Nate doesn’t normally do that, but knew it was one of our only chances to pull a win out. Alas, we couldn’t stop the one on one play enough to finish our comeback.
You want an offensive PF? Huh? We got LMA, Frye, Diogu, all known for scoring. I agree, we need better perimeter defense in general, and if a trade can accomplish that, I’m all for it (in theory).
Mortimer
If you account for flops...
at least 1/2 of our turnovers were pure crap. We would have had around our average on turnovers if not for those OBVIOUS flops. How many points off turnovers did they get and how many did they win by? Also, it seemed like there were at least 8 or 9 no calls when our guys got pretty clearly fould driving to the hoop. I don’t buy that nonsense about “we should have been able to overcome the bad calls.” First of all, the refs should call the game correctly, and second, you shouldnt have to overcome your opponent AND the officials.
by Qyntel Woods on Feb 13, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, crap happens
I’ve bitched enough about the refs crappitude enough this thread, and I don’t wanna see reffing that bad again…
But, we still coulda’ won. We had what, 24 turnovers? And maybe 5 were bogus flop turnovers in the post? Now, those 5 are enough to get LMA and Oden taken out of the game, so they are serious, but we still have an amazing amount of sloppy turnovers given to a team that THRIVES off of opponent turnovers.
The officials were awful, maybe it accounted for why we lost, but overall the Dubs played mostly better than us.
It’s a game we learn from, and move on. I guarantee we will have a game in the playoffs where the refs are screwing us like it’s prom night, and we gotta fight through it and still find a way to win. These sort of games are an educational experience for us, and we as fans can’t dwell too long on them.
We got 30 games left, we can win 50+, all we did was lose on the road to a team that plays well at home. It happens.
Mortimer
OH YEAH??!?!?!!!?
Well my dad can kick your dad’s ass!
by Qyntel Woods on Feb 13, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions
How can your dad kick my dad's ass when my dad just died yesterday?!?!
So, thanks for reminding me that my dad died.
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Ok, my dad didn’t die, but you’d be a real jerk if he had. THEN you’d feel bad. You’d ALL feel bad!!!
Mortimer
Completely agree on point #9
Let Oden foul out. Every game if necessary. If the guy’s playing well, he needs to be in there in crunch time!
Point # 9
Seems like Oden needs to learn how to play with fouls (or how to adjust his game to how the game is called); Oden’s coaches (at Ohio State and with the Blazers) tend to “protect” him from fouling out. How about him (Oden) learning to avoid fouls rather than pouting on the bench? Maybe if he actually fouled out he wouldn’t mentally check out everytime he gets quick fouls.
I’m still dazzled by his potential, but he has to play smarter and not rely on the automatic hook that coaches give him when he commits stupid fouls. (And we are blessed that we have one of the best back-up centers in the league with Pryzbilla. We really have 12 fouls to use at the center position, so use ’em rather than be inordinately afraid to foul out.)
Was There
The officiating was truly horrible, i was sitting 6 rows back from the court and Roy and Oden were just taking a beating inside and they wouldnt call a foul, the flops also really hurt, and the rudy call at the end of the game was just brutal.
Also I just want to say that Golden State is not a fun arena to go to as an opposing fan. As a Trailblazer fan I feel like we treat opposing fans pretty well and will say “Good Game” or “Player X is really good” things of that nature. As we were leaving last night I got a lot of “Portland Sucks”, or “Brandon Roy Sucks” and a lot of stuff about Oden. It was really disappointing to lose so maybe i was just bummed.
I hope I can get a bunch of championships, like 15. " - Greg Oden
Remember
that when a team’s fan base think it’s getting years and years of playoff runs (after an eternity of almost making it but not quite year after year) and then it gets blown apart in the blink of an eye and they’re trying to convince themselves that maybe the team still has a chance but inside they really know it doesn’t, well they have to take it out on somebody.
I think Portland fans would be more angry than they are in that situation too.
—Dave

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