Trade Drawer Black Friday 13th - Think Financials, Not Players
For this trade drawer, think in financial terms more than in player quality going out in a deal. Big financial problems on other teams are driving many discussions with the Blazers, much more so than the usual "we improve our team, you improve your team" talks.
Pritchard is getting a lot of calls now about Raef's contract while other Blazers in a deal would be mainly just filler to match. A month ago he reportedly had next to no offers for RLEC, now it looks like he got quite a few options over the last week(s) and more by the day. Several teams want to pretend they get in the 2010 sweepstakes for LeBron & Co., when in reality they just want to cut payroll and sell that nicer to their fans.
So the suggestions for this thread should be not so much around "what does the trading partner need in return?" or "would they do that for the players we are willing to offer?". Of course it should make some sense. But the more important thing is: What are expensive (longer) contracts that a team ordered to shed salary by the owner might want to move and who the Blazers would benefit from?
Talks seem more geared towards acquiring younger players fitting the core group and helping us for a playoff run in a year or two than a short-term old veteran solution according to most rumors, although they are calling about veteran point guards. The main point is that the trading partner wants to get rid of the player because of the contract (or fear of losing him in upcoming free agency), not because they think he isn't good. The Blazers can match all kinds of salaries with attractive expiring contracts from $12.5 million for Raef up to about $20 million for bigger deals/multiple players when Channing, Ike, etc. get involved.
Teams that might fit the need to restructure are especially the smaller markets in this situation: E.g. Charlotte (second largest banking capital, team marketing department downsized), New Orleans, Memphis, Sacramento (about 5000 fans missing per game), Phoenix (cheap owner, allegedly wants to cut at least 20 million off the books), Bucks, ...
Concrete rumors are hard to come by, and if you hear about them publicly in the media they are not going to happen like that (until maybe the last day or so, right now it's too early). Also if they were that obviously favorable and concrete, KP would have done the deal already and called a press conference holding a Blazers jersey of players X and Y in the cameras.
That stalemate situation with little new information coming out could continue long after the All-Star break right up to the deadline, though I would expect KP to hold some more concrete talks in Phoenix. But he will definitely want to wait for the best deals that might still materialize now. Tom Penn could save the day again to come up with complex scenarios to match contracts. Chances that a deal will happen are still about 50/50, but some teams really seem inclined to get something done and bring costs down no matter what.
Mavs owner Mark Cuban has already publicly called 2009 a "nuclear winter" scenario for some fellow franchise owners with their own fortune declining in value by the day; falling local income from ticket and merchandising sales; sponsors not renewing; potentially a stagnating or for 2010 even decreasing cap; free agents just signing short-term deals hoping for improved economic conditions and a new CBA; etc. Does any other owner who could benefit from going against the grain and spend right now come to mind?
P.S.: Since it's the season, ESPN has launched a brand new trade machine you might want to give a try. I would like to see some ideas for franchises with contracts in need of cost-cutting help :)
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One idea/hope might be that the Nets are one team that needs to cut costs and gives up VC or even Harris in the process
According to the Nets GM, that is not really the case (via TrueHoop)
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
Hova
might need to put out a double CD, any chance of landing LeBron leaves with Harris
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
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by blazeraddict on Feb 12, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
Unfortunately for Jigga
They changed the rules a few years ago, and double albums no longer count as 2 units. So a double album will get him just as much $ as a single would. Looks like he might just have to man up and do what any of us would do in his situation: Ask B for a loan.
I want Greg Oden to tuck me in at night and tell me stories about the old times
REC
Trade Drawer + Norsktroll = Instant REC!
now if only all those REC could become RLEC and we’d have 18 Lebrons and 12 Kobes on the Blazers.
we still would only need one Roy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
MVP *** MVP *** MVP
I've never scored more than 38 ..... not even in Little League.
Why I think Harris is attainable
The deal: Harris/Simmons for Bayless, Rudy, RLEC, and change (draft picks, cash, back up PF)
1. Smoke screen or not, Nets need to cut salary. Portland is taking 20 mil off the books, and it isn’t just about cap space, you gotta have the cash to bring in a max player.
2. Bayless is Harris three years ago – so you have a replacement. Is there a better fit for the Brooklyn crowd? They would love T-Rex.
3. Rudy rocks
4. NJ gets to keep Vince Carter to sell tickets. This is assuming he is still a draw, I don’t know if that is a fair assumption or not. But if you are going to rebuild, having a ticket draw is a nice way to keep the crickets out of the arena.
5. NJ isn’t bad enough to get a high pick, with this deal they increase lotto balls while gaining a lot of upside potential.
6. Their net in players gives NJ flexibility on the 2010 free agent fit. Any stud 2, 3, or 4 could fit. Lebron is obviously first choice, but if not, you keep Vince at the 3, Bayless at 1, Rudy at 2, and a Bosh or Amare fit in nicely. This flexibility is nice when you don’t even know who will make it to the free agent market (this is also the downside of the argument… shhhhh!)
7. This is a young nucleus that could attract a max player. Not just Bayless, Rudy, and Lopez, but they should be getting a impact player in at least one of the next two drafts (see point #5). Its not like they are going to Milwaukee to play with Bogut.
8. The main point… because I really, really, really want this to happen. Isn’t that enough to make it happen?! As much as I would love Bosh, I would be happier with LA staying, and Harris is the best fit at PG that might be available. Give up any combo outside of the big three to get him, and a foursome of Harris, Roy, LA, and Oden would be unstoppable. Most teams would like two maybe three superstars. Portland would have FOUR!!! and not of the selfish, always need the ball variety. I am talking four legit, unselfish, willing to play defense, superstars. Forget about it. A guy can dream, right?
Responding to myself
cause I am so cool (sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, thus my argument self evident) and generally end up muttering to myself anyway.
Anywho, a doubter of my genius may say, but if Bayless is Harris, then isn’t a deal for Bosh the same thing? An upgrade at one position of what would eventually be the big four. Well, to that bold soul I would respond:
1. LA is further along than Bayless, so the championship window just flew open.
2. PG’s take longer to develop, and Harris’ cake is baked. Ready for the frosting, blow out the candles and enjoy. Specifically, hitting the 3 at a reasonable rate took some time, and I suspect that will be the last thing for Bayless to develop that will be most important to the team (I don’t think either player’s assist numbers will be great, but with Roy as your backup partner this is not the most important factor).
3. Counter-argument – as a PG Harris would be more disruptive to integrate than Bosh. True, but the long term integration is more important, and until the PG situation is established, the overall growth of the team will be limited.
Of course
Harris would be amazing. I just don’t think he’s available.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
Oaky, the new espn trade machine isn't working for me,
But I would like to point out something cool about Portland trading Reaf contract. The larger salaries mean more lean way when it comes to matching salaries, which can lead to the Portland acting almost like they are under the cap. Example:
Portland in: R. Jefferson, Joe Smith
Milwaukee in: Reaf and Ike
OKC in: nothing
Buy trading Reaf, Portland can take Joe Smith off OKC’s hands for free! Saving OKC 2 million dollars and landing Portland a real vet and back-up power forward for the Playoffs. Not to mention a like, 4.8 million trade exception OKC, which Presti has turned into draft picks before.
To recap, Milwaukee saves a lots of money by trading Jefferson for RLEC – 80% because of insurance money.
OKC saves around 2 million dollars by shipping Joe Smith away for free, and get a valuable trade exception.
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by maid tu rek on Feb 14, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
A trade exception is meaningless to OKC, IMO
They’ll probably be far enough under the cap this summer that they’ll lose all their exceptions, so the only opportunity they’ll have to use it would be on/around draft day – and I doubt they’d use it then since it would only cut out of their summer cap space.
I just got owned...
Your right, well, the example is still sets a precedent of getting something for nothing for a salary dump.
Joel Freeland=Stud
The broker you are
The more RLEC is worth,tell KP I said that
by southern oregon on Feb 12, 2009 11:12 PM PST reply actions
i'll get on it
right after i smoke a bowl with travis and bayless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
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Point Guard Please!!!
It’s a bigger hole short and long term than SF, at a much more important position on the court, and one which is significantly harder to fill. Good wings are plentiful, if we really feel we need to upgrade the SF we can do that down the line or with other assets.
Use the RLEC + talent to get us a PG!
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Feb 12, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Trade for R.Sessions and R.Jefferson.
Do it.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 13, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Indiana is in a lot of trouble financially. It’s a long shot but they might be willing to sell off Granger at the price of taking two or three of their horrendous contracts, i.e. Murphy/Dunleavy/Tinsley/Foster
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Ehhhhhhhhhhhh
I doubt they are THAT desperate.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
Granger is 25 and turns 26 in April. Their long ugly contracts run till 2011. They’re in the bottom of the league in attendance.
So assuming they can’t work out a miracle trade bringing Granger help before 2010-11 they’re looking at two options in the 2010-11 season either: a) a big free agent summer or b) a big mid season trade (This all presupposes that they don’t make any panic full MLE deals or bad trades that worsen their financial situation). At that point Granger is 28/29. They can probably write that season off and maybe the next one. However giving them the benefit of the doubt and the most optimistic forecast possible, they’re competing for playoff berths/championships in 2011-12 when Granger hits 30.
That’s a pretty bleak picture. The wild card is the draft. If they luck out in the draft they could accelerate that process by a couple of years. Unfortunately they don’t suck enough as a team to be at the very bottom of the league (right now they’re mid lottery at 9) so help there may be hard to find. If you assume that Granger continues to develop they’ll likely move down in the draft.
From a financial point of view it might make sense. They’re already near the bottom of the league in attendance would trading their best player really kill ticket sales anymore than they already are? Or is trying to make deep playoff runs with a 30 plus year old Granger worth the wait?
Then again I could be wrong about them, after all it’s the NBA so who knows?
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Isn't Granger BYC?
If so, it would be very difficult to work a deal.
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next year. he’s got a poison pill contract this year.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
Or at least that’s what ESPN tells me. Worst case he is BYC, and you trade for enough expensive contracts that the 125% exchange rule covers the BYC deficiency.
This exchange of huge contracts would happen to be the sole point of a deal from Indiana’s point of view.
Even if you are on the right track, you will get run over if you just sit there.
--Will Rogers
This would be incredible
to get Granger, it would probably be worth eating a couple of those deals (Tinsley on the condition that he stay far away and/or Portland immediately cutting him). The Blazers would be like that loaded Pistons squad of a few years back with 4 potential all stars in their starting 5.
An admission: After the OKC game, I said some things. Stupid things. Things about Nate not knowing how to coach GO. It was only then I realized that I was in danger of becoming that which I most loathe - an uninformed, knee jerk fan who reacts to wins with wild delusions of championships and losses with trade and firing fodder. I will not be that fan. From this point on I will support the Blazers, the coaches and front office wholeheartedly, offering praise and criticism appropriate to the matter at hand. I will never again be "that guy".
Blazeaddict
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by blazeraddict on Feb 12, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
There are rumors that a) Terry Porter is fired very soon and b) Amare is going to Chicago. But it's not confirmed
And somehow I doubt they would do that BEFORE the All-Star weekend. Better to do it while it’s going (fire Porter) or immediately after.
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
as the host city
they pretty much have to wait until after.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
At least it seems a given Porter has to go
The moderator at Bright Side of the Sun and his guys were already discussing an (interim) replacement based on internal sources.
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
For trades, yes
Doesn’t Stern put the kibosh on trades during All-Star festivities? But Porter’s a goner today (Friday) so the Suns can bury the news.
I don’t think we hear about the Amare trade until Monday at the earliest. Things should definitely start to shake out after that.
Turn Raef and Channing
And? into a defensive upgrade
by southern oregon on Feb 12, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions
I like this idea a lot and think it makes the most sense.
But who works??
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 13, 2009 5:12 AM PST up reply actions
How do you link a successful trade in the new format?
I have one that involves 4 teams. 2 teams do the trade to save dollars and 2 teams get an upgrade in talent.
There is a copy function ca. in the middle of that result window that generates a kind of tinyurl
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
still not finding it
Man, I must be blind. It’s got to be easy.
by parkinglotj on Feb 13, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Mhm, at the moment I see it neither. It was there a few hours ago, with an option to directly post it on the ESPN boards and generic link
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
I genuiniely laughed out loud at that
Maggot has cemented himself as one of my most disliked NBA players. I’ve heard him compared as the new Rick Fox.
The constant flopping, coupled with his persistent refusal to pass… eww
he certainly has a way with the refs tho
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
/S
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
If things are bad now
I wonder if teams won’t be even worse off later in the year. Not all will be able to dump salary before the deadline and fewer teams are able to take on salary (a depressed market); meanwhile attendance will deteriorate, fan disatisfaction will rise, etc… Will we hold pat till the summer, keep Raef’s big deal for our own program, do a minor trade to pare down the roster and get a veteran? We’ll find out in less than a week.
I think it's lame
Hollinger’s Analysis is just stupid and a waste of bandwidth and they don’t make it as easy as before to link the trade.
Release your inner Kraken
To prove my point
Do a trade of Nate Robinson for Jerryd Bayless.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Release your inner Kraken
I assume you're talking about the +6 wins?
and you’re insane if you don’t think Nate Robinson would be a huge upgrade over Bayless over the next 30 games. I’d never make the trade, obviously, but in the short run, Nate would be a way bigger contributor.
You really think Nate is worth 6 more wins over Bayless?
A new guy always causes one win because he’s new then three more because he’s not used to the system and the players aren’t used to him. Nate Robinson wouldn’t add six wins to a AAU team and he wouldn’t be the tallest guy on the team.
Release your inner Kraken
Actually...
Hollinger’s addition is really interesting, because it shows you the tangible upgrade in PER (through the trade) and how that upgrade translates into “projected wins.”
If you take a second to look at Nate Robinson’s stats (specifically the breakdown of how his PER is constructed), you’ll notice he’s a ridiculously good rebounder for his size and position. In fact, he’s one of the best rebounding guards in the NBA…
This type of player could really help us… And if you don’t take into account learning the system, chemistry issues (even though he’s buddies with Roy), etc, he probably would lead to a couple more wins than Jerryd Bayless will this season…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Feb 13, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions
Don't trade for anyone coached by D'ant
His players get incredibly inflated statistics for their talent level because of the pace and style he plays. I love the guy as a coach, but his teams will always put up fantasy numbers.
I'm a PER's Atheiest
I’m not just someone who doesn’t believe in PER’s, I also think people shouldn’t be allowed to push their PER’s dogma on me. I’m actually thinking about taking ESPN all the way to the US Supreme Court to take PER’s off their webpage. My problem is that ESPN is not a government institution, but I have lawyers working on that obstacle.
Release your inner Kraken
Travis, Rudy, RLEC to Phoenix
Caron Butler, Etan Thomas to Portland
Amare Stoudemire to Washington
Thoughts?
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Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
yeah
it’s kind of a no brainer actually. I love Rudy, but he’s more valuable to a team who’s best player doesn’t play the same position as him. And Travis is Travis.
You do this deal and you still have Bayless, Webster, Batum, Frye, Pryz on the bench. Not exactly a garbage 2nd unit.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I don't see Rudy going anywhere
he is great with the female fans in town and he also bring the interntational viewership to the Blazers broadcast. Same reason why he is in the dunk contest.
None of those matters.
If Rudy is necessary to land Jefferson/Sessions then he’s gone. KP will make a basketball decision and won’t be swayed by Rudy’s looks.
I don't see it either
but I would do it if I were the GM. I’m not though.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
Also
It gives Portland more appeal to have Fernandez on the team. I doubt that KP would trade him.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
Phoenix throws in the towel
I suppose they do this trade and fire their coach on the same weekend, if they enjoy PR disasters.
Maybe they do, judging from the last year and a half or so. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
RUMOR
I heard today on 95.5 the blazers are looking to land Young Buck. He left G-Unit a little while back, has had problems with the IRS so he comes REAL CHEAP. I think he would be a good pickup, he’s real hungry right now and has a lot of heart. I know a lot of guys on the team enjoy southern rap so buck is a good fit in Portland.. Hope KP pulls the trigger.
he was also caught on video
TRYING TO STAB DR. DRE
still, i heard he’s put that behind him and is a big character guy now.
One day I was driving home from work, listening to the radio
and the DJ started to interview Young Buck as he was in town for a show that night. Buck starting talking about how much he enjoyed his previous show in Fairbanks Alaska. It was the highlight of my day.
If Phoenix is really desperate to cut salery why have we not heard anything about Shaq getting moved? I think there will be alot of heated discussions about Shaq the next few days. Portland has bird rights on LA and Roy in the summer of 2010 why wouldent Portland make a move for Shaq to clean out some the question marks on this team and have 25 million come off the books in 2010? I think Portland could make a serious push for Lebron.
I try to help with everything," Fernandez said. "If the coach says go rebound, I go rebound. I work for the team.
""If I'm playing this game to get media and attention, I shouldn't be here," Aldridge said. "I'm here to play basketball, and do what I can do to help this team win."
Even with $25 million coming off the books...
We’d still likely be over the cap, unless you include Pryzbilla and Webster in the deal…
Roy is most likely going to sign a max (or close to max) deal when his contract gets renegotiated, unless he pulls a Tim Duncan and takes less money to re-sign other quality players… LaMarcus Aldridge probably gets anywhere from $8 million (solid deal for us) to $12 million (not so great in my opinion) which puts us at around $23-$25 million between 2 players. Add Rudy, Batum, Bayless, and Oden, who will all have cap-holds that summer and be due for extensions, and you’re at almost $45 – $50 million between 6 players… The cap currently is around $57 million so the likelihood of being a major player in 2010 is slim unless we trade all our rookies for expiring contracts.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Feb 13, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions
Because there's no market for Shaq.
Nobody wants that contract.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Feb 13, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Here's my deal
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d87n2n
Washington either plays bigger with Amare at PF and Jamison at SF or more athletic with Amare at C and Jamison at PF.
Phoenix gets cap relief this summer and would also have a draft pick or two thrown in from Portland.
Portland gets Butler.
Im guessing Phx wouldnt give up dragic
and i dont think Blatche is enough from teh Wiz
maybe put nick young in there as well and drop dragic for a bigger scrub
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions
Out of the box
Portland pulls a deal with Minnesota. Miller and Foye for RLEC. Minny does it because Miller is on the books for this year and next and gets some more cap relief. Foye is the sweetner that gets Portland to pull ther trigger. They get a shooter in Miller who will make teams pay early and often for their sagging D. Foye is a strong, tall, athletic PG who can play better D than our current guys.
no way
they will want some kind of player in return for those two. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
left field
I actually agree with Canzano that a major trade (if it really happens) will come out of left field. Much like the Gasol trade, sometimes reasoning does not need to apply. :)
Looks like we have a real trade: Miami and Toronto are doing the rumored O'Neal for Marion deal
Sure will get its own fanpost.
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
The magic Hollinger trade machine mechanism thinks this deal makes Toronto worse :)
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d4nm4a
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
Miami has yet another
Aging, injured center with an awful contract.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
At least one that expires in 2010
But yeah, in sum they payed more than they would have had they just kept Shaq
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
RLEC, Travis, Bayless/Serg for R.Sessions and R.Jefferson
and we take another contract back, doesn’t matter who.
This deal must be done.
I thought of it before Norsk – check the tapes.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 13, 2009 10:27 AM PST reply actions
I think I would only do it with Sergio. We will see
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=dap82z (here with Elson as filler since his contract is a little bigger and we could use a third center)
If they are not interested, a larger version including Channing and Gadzuric to save the Bucks even a lot more money is imaginable.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bscdwc
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
why keep both sessions and Bayless though
just seems to be an unhappy player waiting to happen.
I’d do the deal for Bayless.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I'd do this trade also.
However, I realize what you mean with Bayless. Does he have NEXT?
It’s such a tough question to answer. It seems like what KP loves to do is build up “potential.” Adding Sessions would give Bayless a run for his $$, nonetheless.
At the end, I think our roster should have 3 guards – Sessions, Bayless and Blake would work in the short run.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 13, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
I like this better if Milwaukie really is looking to dump salary
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cq8a6e
I don’t think we should trade Outlaw. he is our glue guy.
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I sure hope Ridnour doesn’t come here.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 13, 2009 12:00 PM PST up reply actions
There's no way we get Charlie V
He’s only got 1 year left, so cutting him doesn’t help the Bucks financially. He’s also been playing really well lately.
I also really doubt that the Bucks want to tell their fanbase that they traded Sessions and only got Sergio and Frye back. This deal doesn’t go through without Travis.
Look, I like Travis too, but owners have to sell even cost-cutting measures to their own fans (I guess unless you’re Sarver). You have to give up value to get value.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 13, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions
Also begs the question
If Milwaukee does this, would there be a reason to show up to any of their games this year?
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
Milwaukee only needs to stay out of Luxury Tax territory.
To do this they have to lose only one of Session, Jefferson or Villanueva. Packaging Sessions and Jefferson together just is not going to happen, unless they are getting more than Luxury Tax relief and some bench players.
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Says this about Portland today.
2. Portland Trail Blazers. They face two options here: Go into the summer with something like $8 million in cap space, or try to realize greater value by trading Raef LaFrentz’s expiring $12.8 million contract in the next week. The issue with making a deal now is that the Blazers may have to include draft picks and young players, though they have such a wealth of assets that they can afford to do whatever they wish.
I keep reading they’re in the market for Stoudemire but I cannot believe it. They love what LaMarcus Aldridge delivers on and off the court, and they believe he’ll become a dominant star at both ends of the floor. Why give up on him or cloud his future by bringing in Stoudemire? The Blazers have to be looking into other trading opportunities.
Then he goes on to say who he feels is the right guy for Portland to target.
2. Steve Nash to Portland. Maybe the Blazers don’t see it this way, but I view Nash as the perfect complement to their young team. He would provide nonintrusive leadership, handling the ball most of the time but also yielding it to become a terrific spot-up shooter when Brandon Roy takes over. In the short term, the Blazers would become harder than ever to guard, with Nash serving as a bridge to hasten the improvement of Aldridge, Greg Oden and others. After next season, Nash would either step back into a lesser role or depart as a free agent, but in the meantime he would spike the talents of his younger teammates.
Other trades could be disruptive (if they brought in a star scorer to alter the growing balance between Roy, Aldridge and Oden) or ineffective (if they acquired a blue-collar veteran who may or may not turn out to be worth his salary once the Blazers have tried to carve out a role to fit him). Nash is the answer.
I understand the reports that Nash is the one "untouchable’’ on the Suns’ roster: Remove him and their team could look ugly. But the Blazers have enough rebuilding assets to at least bring Phoenix to attention, and in the end Portland may be able to make a deal without hurting its core … if in fact the Blazers share in this view of Nash.
I think Nash would be awesome for us
makes us MUCH better for the next 1.5 years, provides instant credible leadership to the team, would RELISH the idea of setting up others on this team, and won’t have to play 40+ minutes a night for us like he does for Phoenix.
After that he steps out of the way when Bayless is ready to take over or we’ve acquired someone else who is.
Honestly, I would do this deal in a nanosecond if we didn’t have to include any of our top 3 or Batum. And yes, that includes ONE of Rudy or Bayless.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
I believe Nash is outside KP's age/championship window...
at least this is what J Quick said a few times…
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 13, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions
I Don't Believe in Windows..
but if I did, I’d say Nash brings his own.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Feb 13, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
WORD
with Nash we are contenders THIS YEAR and probably next year too. He would do so much for this team I don’t know where to begin and he would be the ultimate tutor for our young guards.
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Nash would be a short-term solution until Bayless is ready.
Bay less would be the guy that fits the window.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Feb 13, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
looking at what we would have to give up
I’m pretty sure if we were to get Nash then we wold have to give up Bayless.
Trade RLEC already
I’m impatient.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Feb 13, 2009 11:14 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
agreed.
someone has to want that contract. everyone is saying that it’s valuable.
here’s a theory: the deal has been made but they’re waiting until after the all star break to announce it because they don’t want to have to embarrass a player in the all star game
by northwestj on Feb 13, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Now that is an interesting point
especially if the deal involved “the face of the franchise”.
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Quick said yesterday in chat that KP would wait until the last minute just so that he'll know every offer out there.
I’m paraphrasing but the important part is that KP will wait until the last minute.
Release your inner Kraken
my herpes disagrees
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
haha
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions
RJ and/or Caron
RLEC and Sergio for RJ or Caron Butler.
Done deal. Playoff ready, finals within 3 years.
It works out with the trade machine, too, for whatever it’s worth. Too lazy to post the link.
I actually don't think we can get Butler for this
RJ, I think, is possible.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 13, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions
3-Way Trade
This is my Trade: http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=d338hx
Who wouldn’t do this deal? Everybody wins, Portland fills the need at two positions, bolsters their perimeter defense without compromising on old guys or giving up a core guy. Phoenix gets cap flexibility and two young guys with some interesting potential, plus a much needed backup PG. The Bulls finally get their big man in Amare, and fill in the void left at SF with Outlaw. Also they secure Amare’s backup with Frye, a young player with potential. The only team I could see pausing on this is Chicago, due to the fact that Paxon is kind of a wuss (see Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett) and overvalues his players. But I think the idea
by Feesampo21 on Feb 13, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
You only gave us a +1 according to Jonny H....
I like this deal.
by hotstuffdb22 on Feb 13, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
I actually really
like this trade. I’m still not a Hinrich fan but Deng could do wonders. I think it’s fairly balanced and that’s nice to see too. I would obviously go for one of Bosh, Butler or RJeff&Sessions first. Still though this trade is intriguing. The Tyrus Thomas to PHX is the part I really like. Very nice.
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I'm on board
I proposed a similar deal in another thread
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=at4vhhPost trade to ESPN
I would do this deal too
But I think that practically it would be hard to get through. I just think that trading with Chicago is really hard to do (as you mentioned), and even more difficult in a 3-way deal.
by samuelleejackson on Feb 13, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions
I don't know if this affects anyone's trade thoughts
According to the Chicago Sun-Times, Paxson’s stepping down as GM. The timing is uncertain — the paper says he may leave at the end of the season, but I’ve also heard that he may leave after the All-Star break.
He makes it sound like he's busy deleting trade fanshots and fanposts in his trade thread.
Release your inner Kraken
also remember
this story is from Peter Vecsey.. so you know
its a lie
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions
Does this Toronto trade make a Bosh in Portland scenario more likely?
I think that they would have a good chance of wanting Amare…
No. Amare and Marion don't like each other.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Feb 13, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions
poor amare
he’s probably lonely. No one seems to like him at all. – Elgin
Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot
his agent needs to control
the media and pump some good press for him.
Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.
Follow my twitter www.twitter.com/PDXBlazersFTW, @PDXBlazersFTW. Lots of random Blazer Posts from links I find around the blogosphere.
I do'n tmean Marion and Amare wanting to be together
I mean Colangelo trying to reconstruct the SSOL Suns.
by Cablinasian on Feb 13, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
Gilbert Arenas
Anyone know what his defense is like?
Is a healthy Arenas a good fit?
He can drain 3’s, is only 27, averaged almost 30 points just a couple of years ago, and because of Brandon we don’t need a high assist distributing PG. I like the idea of two attacking guards who can also dish. Downside is injury and contract (which is why you get him at all) and because he is hurt you don’t get to integrate him now. I don’t know about his defense. Thoughts?
a healthy Arenas?
that’s the point isn’t it? When does that happen?
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
That would be one of the most entertaining teams not just in the league but ever
I think he will be fully healthy come next season. He is a really hard worker, and his last injury was due to him trying to come back too early for the playoffs. Young guys could benefit from his work in practice, and he would be an undeniable upgrade for several years. The contract unfortunately is really bad. The Wizards outbid themselves by about 30 million. Nobody would have given him that much.
The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!
That is one massive contract
We would have to undertake. I think that Gilbert is not worth the trouble unless he can prove he can stay healthy.
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
Defense is so so
but he is always hurt. i would love to see him in portland, but its not gonna happen.
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions
Gilbert's a big guard
veteran smarts and steady scoring. If he wasn’t such an injury risk he might be the perfect PG for us. You can’t get injury insurance on that guy. Love him though.
Perfect but bad contract and injuried
That is the reason why he might be available… so don’t you pull the trigger on that? If you wait until he proves he is healthy, you don’t get him. If his defense is solid and he is a hard worker, then he fits. If you can get him without giving up Bayless or Blake, you have both a great backup and future replacement to minimize the risk. Would Washington give him up for RLEC and change? Who would it take to get him? Is it worth giving up Rudy?
OK, I'm thinking financials with this here DREAM TRADE.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=djpxa9
Obviously the only way this trade works is if Suns owner Sarver is as cheap and looking to cut costs as has been rumored. We could throw in a pick or two as extra persuasion.
I believe that KP is trying to land Steve Nash but is unwilling to mortgage the future to get him. Yes, Nash is on the downside of his career, but the stability and guidance he could provide our young team in the next season-plus would be amazing (for example, he would know exactly where and when to get Oden the ball). By the time he’s ready to move on, Bayless should be ready. We get our scoring/defensive-minded SF in Deng, leaving Outlaw to be a gunner off the bench. What about Martell? My guess is that he won’t be contributing much this season, so let’s just write it off and see how the Deng/Outlaw combination works. If it does, we can trade Martell (or Outlaw) this summer for another piece or a high draft pick.
What does Phoenix get? A lot of savings in RLEC and Frye’s expiring rookie contract. They get a solid, younger PG in Hinrich so that the team at least has someone manning the ship once Nash is gone. And in Batum they get an inexpensive young talent in the mold of the two valuable pieces they traded to Charlotte (Bell, Diaw).
Chicago? They finally get a scoring big man in Amare. And instead of an expensive PG backup in Hinrich, they get the less-expensive Sergio to spell D. Rose off the bench.
I know this deal won’t happen. On the other hand, the economy and the sudden value of RLEC afford KP the rare opportunity to do something dramatic.
by Badalona Baddie on Feb 13, 2009 6:54 PM PST reply actions
That is easily
the best trade I’ve seen on here from Portland’s point of view. I think it’s a bit much to ask of PHX though.
Maybe with some more young guys and greater cap relief?
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Both Portland and Chicago
improve wins. Strangely even though you keep Batum in my trade, get Hill as well but you give up Blake and it projects to less wins for Portland then yours. This seems odd to me because I can’t see Blake getting alot of minutes with Nash here. I will note mine has PHX losing 7 more instead of 8 in yours and Chicago gets +1 win instead of -1. But Hollinger is surreal sometimes.
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Wow crazy
our trades while significantly different actually gave PHX the same cap relief. So mine would only be better for them by adding Tyrus Thomas.
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Phoenix would rather just keep Nash
Than take on Hinrich’s contract
And Nate likes big PGs that can defend, Nash is past his prime
Any teams you think
Are desperate enough to tank for $’s and a lotto pick?
by southern oregon on Feb 13, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions
Does making
Mc Hale and Kerr the coach count count as tanking?
by southern oregon on Feb 13, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions

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