Corey Maggette & the refs
by dblieberman on Feb 12, 2009 10:04 PM PST
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PrintIt can't just be me who notices that Corey Maggette gets some of the most preferential treatment by NBA refs. The guy gets more calls on offense and defense than anyone in the NBA. I know drawing a foul is an art form, and Maggette obviously knows how to throw around his body to get whistles. But it becomes ridiculous when you almost know he going to get the foul everytime he puts his head down, not the mention that he will flop on defense and get calls (i.e. the "offensive foul" by LaMarcus in tonights game).
So that this doesn't sound like a totally unsupported rant, Maggette has averaged 7 trips to the line per game in his career and more than a third of his career points have come at the charity stripe. He's averaged more free throws made than field goals in every season of his career. If he ever played pick-up I don't know if he could buy a bucket. Either that or he'd call his own fouls on every play...
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Totally agree.
I could see the refs buying it if he were built like Outlaw, but the guy is the most buff, jacked guy in the league. To think he could get his a** knocked over by LaMarcus on a not-so-powerful post move that had virtually NO momentum in it is ludicrous.
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No kidding
The guy is built like a linebacker, something tells me it would take an elephant gun to legitimately knock him down
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by blazeraddict on Feb 12, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Ah, but it's that remarkable build that GETS him all those calls
The refs can’t resist a beautiful physique. Ever notice how many of them—including Ronnie Garretson from last nite—look like they’ve spent too much time in the gym? These guys spend all that down time on the road at 24-Hour Fitness, oiling themselves up and admiring their biceps in the mirror. It’s a fact.
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You are correct
And, Maggette’s performance tonight against the Blazers was most floptacular.
by david1978pdx on Feb 12, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Its obvious he has the refs in his pocket
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xN_ljDfevB0
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
I wonder what he was arguing about
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
-he didn't get a foul
;-
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 12, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
Concur
Never understood this either. What is so ….bizarre about the whole thing is CM is built like a fire hydrant, so the flail backwards is obviously BS. I believe Portland was completely taken out of the game by the refs ineptitude. They had to adjust to 1 on 1 Warriors ball and still didn’t get calls. Fouls were almost 2-1. With them having only 1 true center. Against Portland. Something doesn’t smell right. I got a buddy who ALWAYS talks about crooked refs, and I always laugh at him. Don’t think that these refs were on the take, but this was one of the poorest officiated games I’ve seen in some time. Maybe someone can explain why it is that Utah and GS always have games called to their teams style of play when playing at home? Could this be why these teams struggle so much on the road? Because they are not used to playing a completely different brand of basketball? Why Stern and the NBA allows this is beyond me. I actually think it does those teams a disservice..
I couldn't bring my old fanpost back with comments so I deleted it
I’m just gonna copy and paste my thoughts.
I have been watching the NBA playoffs for many years and I don’t think I’ve seen this much flopping since the World Cup. It is truly a despicable attempt to deceive officials and it is a mockery within the spirit of competition.
Flopping is not gamesmanship. It is deception, a fraud, and a lie. Hack-a-Shaq is gamesmanship. Trash talking is gamesmanship. Flopping is the art of the one who has given up. One who has conceded that he cannot possibly win a matchup and thus decided to lay down hoping for mercy.
This summer, the NBA must address flopping and find solutions to end it. Stop rewarding players for fraud and for quiting on defense. Here are my suggestions for ending flopping once and for all.
1. Do not give the call to the player who has fallen down playing defense in the post. A player should never fall so easily unless truly excessive force has been used. The excessive force should be determined by the referee and not by reaction of the defensive player.
2. Create a blacklist of NBA players who are known for deception through their body of work. These players should not get the benefit of the doubt regardless of how exaggerated their movements become.
One of the reasons I’m writing about this is due to the impending arrival of Greg Oden. Who by all accounts will be stronger and bigger than the players who are guarding him. Being stronger and bigger should be an asset and not a liability in the post. I have no doubts, players will flop against Oden.
If the NBA doesn’t address flopping. The league will be dominated by a slew of actors and oneupmanship in withering collapse.
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
by blzrfan on Feb 12, 2009 10:33 PM PST reply actions 18 recs
Shaq had to deal with this
and was still effective. Hopefully, Greg will do the same.
I disagree
Shaq ran over players and got the benefit of the doubt almost everytime, even as a rookie. Oden just has to be near the opposing player and the refs seem to blow their whistle.
by Dmartyparty on Feb 12, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you...
my point was that opposing players guarding Shaq often hit the floor, b/c there was really no other recourse when he caught the ball down low. The difference is, the refs rarely called the foul on Shaq. So, my hope is that Greg will be as effective as Shaq was on the offensive end in the paint.
Shaq
Traveled in the low post and threw players down with no calls. The thing I don;t get is that Oden is in every NBA Cares commercial and they are trying to make him one of the new faces of the game. Yet they don’t give him any benefit of the calls like they did Shaq.
it took awhile for shaq to get calls though
i remember his rookie season, he scored a lot but mainly because he got a lot of alleyoops and a ton of putbacks. when he got respect he went inside
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions
Can we fine Divac?
Divac and Lambeer should be fined retroactivly for setting the example to todays players.
by REDBLACK on Feb 12, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
solution would be easy
put T 4 simulation (like yellow card in soccer)
but as Euro i’d like to see more calls 4 traveling
30 Y 197 cm 115 kg 0 IQ
by Lat We N Trash on Feb 12, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Look its Corey Maggette from NBA Jam in big head mode. Except this guy would never fit in that game, they don’t call fouls and they certainly don’t call bailout offensive foul calls. He’s heating up!!!!!!
The NHL
had a problem with players flopping. (it still exists, but has gotten better) They implmented a rule that if a player is seen to be flopping, the ref call a penalty on the player that tries to draw the penalty. Doesn’t stop the problem, but makes players think twice before flailing all over the place.
Unsportsmanlike Dive
Oh man I would love if the NBA threw that in. 1 free throw and the ball back please. Only call it in the most blatant of situations though.
The reason that won't happen
is stern is a tool, and I don’t mean one of the sharper ones in the shed.
It would be great if the NBA would look at other major sports and consider anything they do to ask “How could we benefit from that idea?” Utilizing that question has been a driving force in the efficient American economy. (Until recently) The refs should know which players have flopped by having someone reviewing tape, and should be careful when any of their MFP (most flopping player) candidates are on the floor. Unless they are sure it was an offensive foul, the call should go against them. Calling a T for a blatant flop would not be unreasonable. It is unsportsmanlike conduct to attempt to fool the referee into making a call he should not make. It is no closer to gamesmanship than paying or black mailing a referee, or paying someone at the arena to cause one rim to have more give in it. While it may assist in winning the game, it should by all accounts be disallowed from competition.
The refs hand signals
Let’s say the NBA creates a T for flopping. The ref makes the call and he has to signal the players number and the infraction to the scorer’s table. I suggest the hand signal for a aaa’flagrant flop" be that the ref bring the back of his wrist to his forehead, like he is “swooning”
Same a technical foul
In soccer, when a player is caught flopping, they had out yellow cards. I see no reason why a player who is caught flopping should be given a technical foul. Given that a second tech means an ejection, it would definitely stop the player from doing it a second time.
I need to read before posting....
I see no reason why a player who is caught flopping should be given a technical foul.
Add “shouldn’t”
I had a fight in Vegas
… where my opponent flopped his way to a win. He’d literally block the judges’ line of sight with his body, then throw himself across the ring without being touched. Extremely frustrating.
if their was a blacklist
every player in the league would be on it.
I try not to come in here and whine about the refs, but tonight’s game was just brutal. Yeah I know the Blazers had a lot of turnovers but it seemed like half of them were offensive fouls. I had to flip over to the Celtics game several times because I almost put my fist through the HDTV – and it wasn’t even in HD (well the Celtics game was, not the Blazers).
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Feb 12, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions
Yeah, I found myself switching back and forth out of sheer frustration. Not so much that I wanted to see either team (I despise both), but because I was getting so annoyed by the refs. It basically came to a point that I just had to laugh about it. We definitely didn’t play with much heart for the first half+ and didn’t put ourselves in a good position going into the fourth, but the officiating was terrible all around. There is nothing more sickening than refs inserting themselves into a game and letting their presence be felt when it isn’t needed.
by resurrect_ha28 on Feb 12, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions
There was a butt load of ref problems the last time these teams played too.
More BEers were banned in that game than any other.
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by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 13, 2009 6:18 AM PST up reply actions
also never seen that many charges ever
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions
It's a big part of Maggette's game to be fouled
when he drives to the hoop. I couldn’t watch the game last night but Wheeler was going ballistic on the radio broadcast – it seemed to him that calls weren’t going both ways. If that’s the case, that is a shame and the refs should be ashamed.
I don’t think refereeing has been good in the NBA for thirty years. If they want their game to be more popular, the NBA will get some refs who really know their stuff and are really effective refs.
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+1
for that. Javie should have been gone long ago. The only one (possibly) worse than Javie was O’Donnell.
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There is only one other game I remember being disgusted by the refs...
and that was in G.S. earlier this year. I want Nate to take the fine, and light up the refs like a Christmas tree. We did not play well, and Greg needed to realize that if he let a couple of those shots go, so as not to get a foul called on him. We would have been better off. But had the refs called it evenly, we would have won.
Oops. I commented on this above.
Didn’t read all the way through.
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by OCBlazerFan1 on Feb 13, 2009 6:19 AM PST up reply actions
With Corey Maggette, y'all've got to always take into account for how he'll draw fouls like a madman.
In all likelihood, though, Nate McMillan didn’t adjust his game plan to Maggette’s skill set and continued to prod Greg Oden into dangerously switching out on perimeter players. Heck, it’s not Oden’s fault that he’s constantly in foul trouble; instead, the blame falls on inept coaching and porous perimeter defense. I, of course, am of the theory that defensive stalwarts in the post should stay home at all costs, but that’s just me.
Maggette has always been a Blazer killer
Because of the slow pace we play and how the game stagnates. His ability to get to the free throw line whenever he wants is very frustrating. If he did not have a 5 year contract I would love to trade RLEC for him. He plays good enough defense and would be a huge scoring help at the small forward position.
And about the stuff about Oden. Yes.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Maggette is a loser
He’s all about getting points and stagnating the offense to do it. He’s always played on bad teams because he’s on them. The Zbo of SFs.
Plus his fragile body can’t play more than 50 games a season.
The cake is a lie. Do not bake it.
Our offense is primarily iso
He has played in less than 50 games once in his entire career. 8 years of his 9 year career he has been with the Clippers. They are bad because they are the Clippers not because of him.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions
hmmm... body as heavily-muscled as a professional wrestler, yet often-injured
sounds a bit like steroid use (which = abuse)
ignacio
I have no problem with Maggette drawing fouls when he's on offense
but when he draws charges on like 3 consecutive plays on Greg, Lamarcus, and Joel, it’s a little ridiculous. I think on Oden’s offensive in the second, he backs into Maggette three straight times with what appears to be the exact same force, and then Maggette just falls over on the third and the ref blows for the charge. Really, what are the odds that every time one of our guys posted up Maggette that they’d charge through him.
Maggette’s has a proven ability to draw fouls when he’s got the ball, but it’s ridiculous to think that he suddenly became a capable post defender.
The way you fall
Players also fall differently when they flop compared to when they are actually fouled. Maybe it’s tougher to see live, but on flops player typically stiffen up and fall with their body straight. On real fouls a certain part of the player tends to fall first, which arches the body.
Apparently the refs haven’t caught on to this yet.
Maggette draws 2 types of fouls though
On offense Maggette plays extremely aggressive and uses his body to draw fouls. This is something Portland could takes notes on.
On defnese, Maggette just falls, this is despicable.
Did Oden have any fouls guarding smalls on the perimeter this game?
I don’t think he did, but I could be mistaken.
I remember offensive fouls, an over the back, and normal at-the-bucket fouls.
He’s been popping out and getting back in position better the last few games, which helps him avoid those cheapies. He still got screwed with offensive fouls that were not fouls, and being in the wrong place near the bucket as the Warriors came crashing in.
I think the Blazers, and Nate, are 100% convinced Oden will regain his mobility and thus, they want to have him play like he WILL be capable of playing next season and beyond. They don’t want him to be Shaq, who never leaves the basket area, since Greg can be a lot more than that. He’s just got to learn how to do it correctly, and that is what this season is for.
It’ll make him pick up fouls he shouldn’t have to pick up, but it’ll pay off in the long run.
Maggette didn’t kill us on offense, where he is known to be terrific at picking up fouls for many years (I’m sure Nate accounted for it), he killed us with God-awful flops when guarding the post. What can ya do to counter that, besides not post up? Even with the normal, totally legal backdown moves, he’d flop like he was a Spanish player who just got shot.
No gameplanning can’t adjust for that, especially for Oden. All he can do (and all he SHOULD do) is back people up and get in great position. LMA can do more than that, but even he was bowling people over according to the refs (how they thought LMA was sending Captain Biceps Maggette flying, I’ll never know).
Oden has the guts to switch out on perimeter guys, but he needs to learn to meet them and pop back, and not get them one on one. He’ll get it right eventually, plus regain more of his mobility (even if it’s just being in complete good shape), and the Blazers will be better for it defensively.
Mortimer
The thing that killed us, especially, it seemed
was that our guards should have adjusted once all of our bigs got into foul trouble, and played their players more to give up the jump shot. GS has shown in the past that they’re vulnerable to inside play on offense (as shown tonight by Greg’s dunkfest while he was out there), so it’s a huge advantage offensively to keep them out there. Instead our guards never adjusted their play and kept getting blown by. I think the most egregious example being Bayless when he was trying to aggresively body up S-Jax on the perimeter. This led to our bigs picking up tons of fouls at the defensive end challenging Maggette, Jackson and Ellis’s shots at the rim. If they’re going to call 5 offensive fouls on Greg and Joel, make them. No way, Maggette gets that flop call in the post more than once or twice on a guy, and they went long periods with no even passable post defenders out there. I’d rather have them beat me by shooting semi-contested twos and having to defend Oden/Joel, then watching them go to the FT line (usually deserved) every single trip down the floor.
And then I see Brandon’s quote about maybe how they need to not go inside as much against the warriors, and I want to pull my hair out, so I dunno.
The Blazers need to get smarter
Or gain more experience to beat a gimmicky team like GS on the road
Some intelligent interior passing would break down Nelson’s gambling defense. As the Blazer players mature, they’ll be able to find each other for easier baskets
I look forward to the day when the Blazer “keepers” (Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Bayless, etc) get their act together and are joined on the roster by experienced veterans with BBIQ and they pick medicore teams like the Warriors apart, as we watch the other team’s fans howl at the refs and see their coach getting ejected for arguing calls
Gimmicky team?
It’s a pretty good “gimmick” when the opposing team can’t post up on you at all.
Watch the fourth quarter again. Portland had success scoring against the calls because our guys felt desperation. When they feel desperation they MOVE without the ball. If our guys would do this the entire game instead of relying 90% on the iso we would have the most efficient offense in the NBA by a couple of points.
I think it's a matter of guys taking responsibility
there’s no sense of urgency early in the game for us, so our guys tend to coast a little bit, and ease their ways into the game thinking that someone else (Brandon/LMA) can handle the scoring on their own. When we get to the second half (usually down these days) guys start to feel like they have to take a greater part in the offense and the so there’s not so much coasting anymore.
I might be mistaken, but I think this “coasting” is a big reason Nic went from potential top 5 pick, to potentially falling out of the library even before his heart issues. He was inconsistent in France and didn’t show much of a sense of urgency on the court that often. Looks like we might be seeing some of that here.
Nate should have goten in faces of the refs and gotten thrown out for it near the end of the 4th!
There needs to be a method for filing grievances for this kind of crap. The games should be reviewed by a panel of impartial judges and if the refs are found to have screwed up like this then they should be fined suspended or both and it should go in their permanent record so that if they do it repeatedly, then they should be fired!
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The Blazers need to start bitching to the reffs
All the good teams do it.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
They are too nice
I want some thugs. Bring back Sheed and Bonzi.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
Nope
Who is he? Does he bitch? Or does he just yell when he is fouled?
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 12, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
yup.
he was constantly complaining. Its a good thing, but sometimes he slacks on defense cause hes under the hoop expecting a foul.
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They were
But the refs rolled their eyes at Rudy (on camera) and walked away from Nate even as he was yelling obscenities at them (on camera again). Brandon didn’t do as much yelling about it tonight as he has in the past. I think he’s finally just resigned himself to the idea that the team isn’t going to get equal treatment, so why complain?
The whole thing just looks bad for the NBA if this sort of crap continues. You shouldn’t be able to predict the behavior of the officials based on what venue the game is played at and this trend is pretty consistent in Oakland.
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The refs lost control of it early
Once you start making that flop call it’s hard to suddenly say “Ok we’re suddenly going to call the game completely different” You have to be smart enough not to fall for it from the tip. Clearly the refs last night were not.
I don’t believe the refs were the main reason we lost the game but that said just once I would like to see the Blazers:
a.) play along and join the flop fest. the rfs will have to make the call. The Blazers did this a little bit in the second half last night.
b.) get about four people ejected. if the refs won’t give the Blazers respect, then they should demand it and berate those who refuse to give it to them. sounds silly, but watch around the league. it works.
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berating the refs i mean, it works
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by leeroyjenkins on Feb 13, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions
Actually Rudy did
and guess who the foul call was on? Rudy! That was so frustrating!
Like Doc Rivers
Pretty sure that everyone here (and elsewhere) would agree that Boston plays the most aggressive “handsy” defense, and yet Doc Rivers is constantly berating the officials. He got himself thrown out of the game yesterday. [Was switching back-n-forth as well to deal with the frustration].
apparently 'roids give you amazing acting skills
this is the worse case of home cookin’ i’ve seen all season; I mean the blazers get this a little bit too, but not to the degree; sickening.
i’m glad our team had the class to hang in there, i just wish lamarcus would have gotten in magette’s face after fouling out, c’mon man, stand up for some justice here!
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he did spend a lot of time in Los Angeles.
Maybe he took some good acting classes there? And if roids make a good actor…how do you explain Arnold or the Rock?
If the refs are gonna call flops like this again...
we should pass to the big men in motion. But our guards have to figure out to how pass to the man who rolls on screen and roll.
Otherwise the smaller defenders are just going to hit the deck as soon as post entry pass goes into our bigs, and our guys are going to get into foul trouble. That being said, the way the refs called the game, took away the simplest way for Portland to utilize its biggest advantage, which was size inside. We just didn’t figure out an alternative method to take advantage of our size in time.
And Brandon Roy saying “maybe we should not go inside as much” against the Warriors is not the answer. We certainly do not need more jumpshots.
what dave said about spacing applies
you can’t fault roy, if anything i’d fault sergio and batum for looking to score instead of getting a high percentage shot. LMA needs to just pivot right a wee bit earlier when he’s playing scrotums like spaghetti, or just turn left quickly and draw a foul a shooting foul (both moves he’s added to his rep. this season). The only problem is that he could have gotten slapped in the face last night and they would have called it a TO/ warrior steal.
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Que?
Did you just say Sergio looks so score more than passing? Even on nights where he takes 11 shots it doesn’t look like scoring is his first option, and he’d a hit 50% if not for his silly shot at the end.
his bad shots and turnovers set a bad precendent for the rest of the game
you can’t just take his stats and say he only took 11 shots, it’s when he took them is what i have a problem with, that being said i’m not a sergio hater, i just don’t like him in the back court w/ roy, doesn’t usually flow. look beyond stats occasionally, unless you want to talk about roy, then i’ll talk about stats.
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I look beyond stats plenty
Sergio set up almost all of our non iso plays tonight. His decision making on his shooting wasn’t bad either. I’m not sure how you can insult the flow of the game when Sergio was in when we basically scored at will in the 4th. (Only Q he played whole time.) The only reason we couldn’t get an offense going in the first was because of turnovers BY EVERYONE and Offensive fouls.
He did get caught in the air twice I think and ended up turning it over both times. This was something he hasn’t done in a little while and that I hope won’t be a common trend again.
“look beyond stats occasionally, unless you want to talk about roy, then i’ll talk about stats.”
And really? You’ll use stats when they help you, but when you feel like going against the stats you will? Come on now.
yes, this is the best use of stats
You’ll use stats when they help you, but when you feel like going against the stats you will? Come on now.
no different than anyone else trying to prove a point using statistics, just making a point that you were criticizing roy for what he said, while he obviously contributed more than you are giving him credit for, that’s all.
you are right though, the whole team stunk it up with turnovers, no one guy lost the game for us.
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The issue is
Roy scored 37 points tonight, and the rest of our perimeter players stunk it up. Really, say we go inside less, how many more points could you realistically expect from Roy? 5? 10?
Compare that to our inside game, which, when we weren’t committing offensive fouls, was extremely efficient. Greg and Lamarcus both shot super high percentages despite the refs constantly taking them out of their rhythm. And so the answer to beating them is to go outside more and find more shots for Travis (3-14), Jerryd (1-5), Rudy (3-7) and Nic(0-3)? Plus, factoring in that perimeter players accounted for 14 of the 23 turnovers, even with Lamarcus racking up 5, the stats would indicate that you’d want to play MORE of an inside game against them. Especially when you use your eyes and see that GS has a lot of swarming defensive perimeter players and no defensive bigs.
We lost this game primarily on the defensive end by letting their guys get to the rim at will, and having some questionable foul calls take away our biggest advantage. Just because Roy gives a suggestion in frustration off the cuff without having seen any film doesn’t make it gospel.
exactly you are agruing with the wrong guy
preaching to the choir.
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The only surprise is...
the Oakland arena there doesn’t pipe in the sound of a 30-06 sound effect when he goes down.
Followed by the SWAT team commander from “The Professional” yelling, “we gotta man down!”
I'm getting increasingly frustrated....
…by the recurring treatment we are getting every game. First, Oden gets at least one or two very soft/cheap/questionable fouls early in the game which takes him out and when he returns he is very tentative. And now it seems Rudy cannot get a call at either end of the court. Last night was a perfect example. It seems the only one who gets any love from the refs is Brandon.
I understand that rookies are supposed to get this treatment and that they have to pay their dues, but it is getting beyond ridiculous. I also wonder if Greg’s reaction to the calls against him are a factor. Specifically I have never seen him complain about any call at all. Maybe he needs to react and complain a little, maybe even draw a technical, just to get the refs attention and let them know how he feels. Right now he is the doormat of the league and opposing players are brazenly going at him, knowing that any contact at all will be a call in their favor.
Not to argue with you, but:
“I understand that rookies are supposed to get this treatment and that they have to pay their dues ..”
I’ve NEVER understood this line of reasoning. If it’s a foul, it’s a foul. Doesn’t matter if it’s a rookie or a 12-year vet. This whole BS of treating a player different because he’s a vet or a superstar is … is … is … well, BS.
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Got the GSW feed last night
[Like their commentators. Was actually pleasant to watch, unlike like the NOH pair. ]
They replayed 2 of the offensive fouls that Maggette drew, 1 on LMA and 1 on Oden. Maggette seems to have developed a technique of setting up very lightly when you make your move, so that you could knock him over with a feather. It looked pretty clear that both LMA and Oden lowered their shoulders and got called for it. However, as homers we would insist that there was not nearly enough power to knock a guy over. This treatment is actually pretty consistent. JB drew a similar foul on Dirk in the last DAL game. The refs watch pretty closely for any sign of lowering the shoulder when a big man is being defended by a small man. The same is not true, when a big man is on a big man. Not being a big man, I wouldn’t know what to do about it. But is there a way to continue bumping backwards till you’re a dunk away from the hoop?
Dont get me wrong, the game was not reffed evenly. But this seems to be par for the course. The home side gets the breaks, unless the visitor is a true championship contender. [We beat GSW easily when they played at the RG and Biedrins was in foul trouble for the entire game]. Blazers always have a hard time playing on the road, on both sides of the floor against quicker smaller teams. The opponents have a hand in everything — we cant move the ball around, or get decent, clean shots — and then on defense, we barely touch them and get called for the foul. The Cavaliers faced this for many years too, even with LeBron on their team. Its only recently that the refs “respect” them differently.
Part of our maturing into true championship contenders is to not let these disruptive defenses take us out of our game plan. [Dave doesn’t call what GSW plays defense. I think that they play a different style of defense.] We had lousy spacing and it resulted in 1:1 BBall all night long. The refs only give 1:1 calls to true superstars.
You have to give GSW’s offense some credit. We played them pretty tough and mid-way through the 4th quarter, their 2nd half FG% was down to 24%. Yet, the baskets they got were mostly at the hoop. They had slashers running around all night long. Jackson drew 2 defenders, someone from the far-side slashes to the basket, and Jackson finds him for a easy hoop. Our offensive sets, our spacing, and our movement without the ball needs to add these facets. Not only would it make for beautiful basketball, but team ball also get’s more calls.
Brandon did not complain and quietly put up 37 points. When the Blazers elevate their team game like he did last night, we wont need the refs; and ironically, the game will probably be called more evenly. [If its any consolation, GSW recently disrupted proven veteran teams, UTA and BOS, as well].
I don't think last night's treatment was even at all
None of the flops by Maggette should have been fouls. I disagree that the way you are allowed to back down a small defender vs. a big defender shoulf be any different, and that there should be a lower threshhold for calling a charge when you have a smaller defender. All of the calls last night involved normal, typical back down moves by Oden, LMA and Pryz. Fruthermore, Maggette tried a flop on another (4th) occasion which was not called. That move was no different from the other three, so it just shows that there was no consistency. Plus when Rudy tried the same thing, he not only didn’t get a charge, was was called for blocking!
The referreeing last night was pathetic and should be reviewed by the league. You know that if this same thing happened to a marque team on a Sunday afternoon game on national TV, there would be an investigation and it would be addressed.
Refs give home court advantage, probably because the NBA is a very commercial oriented product and the home crowd pay tickets.
If they don´t many arenas would be empty. Not that bad when we play at home. Sometimes it´ll be very tough playing on the road. They refs can do that because a lot of contacts are allowed in the NBA, something can´t happen so easily in FIBA. The problem is that once you allow that kind of behavior the refs become unacountable. Anyway, in the long term teams are where they deserve to be.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
Home court calls
Are not that big of a factor on the game, if actually a factor at all. These refs were simply terrible, simple as that.
disagree about the commentators
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions
When Turiaf is laughing after a flop/foul call on Maggette
You know it is not your night. I think I saw Ellis laugh to when the ball went out off Rudy.
Don't get me wrong
there was planty the Blazers could of done better but I think the NBA could use a few of the clips from this game to provide some additional training. Does the NBA review games to let ref’s know how they could do better? Human’s make mistakes I can forgive but they better be learning from this and not just be arrogant like David Starn and say they are always right.
I hope he doesn't beat out Heath Ledger
for best actor in a supporting role. He sure was a Dark Knight against us!
Maybe we should trade for Maggette
and he can lobby for Oden?
cuz apparently he is their best friend
It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting
by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 13, 2009 10:40 AM PST reply actions
At the midway point of the 2nd quarter...
I was hoping, begging, pleading that a Blazer would get lit up and deliver a little extra contact. When Channing came in, I was extremely hopeful that he’d be the one… he’s kinda sorta an extra contact type of guy.
I think someone coming a little unglued would have been a good thing.
Give the man his "M"!!!
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Feb 13, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions
How obvious can you be?
You see either L.A. or Oden setting up a low post move and you already know its going to happen. Sure enough right on cue Corey goes flying in the air like he has been hit by a semi truck. My only question is if it is that easy for someone sitting at home watching a sub par broadcast on monopolycast, then why cant an NBA official get the call right? I almost think if the guy keeps it up you have to hit him with a T or something otherwise it is only going to get worse. You just reward this kind of play and put people who are trying to play the game fairly in foul trouble and out of the game. I was truly disgusted with the officiating in the game last night, every call went their way, that goal tending call was about as bad as it gets. Corey Feldman or Haim are the only other Corey’s with as many or more flops than Maggette in their career.
Amen
This looked like a replay of the last time the Blazers were in GS. Maggete moves into the player he’s guarding (usually LMA or Oden), creates, contact, then falls on his ass. Gets the call every time. My cats are smarter than most NBA refs. Disgusting.
Not sure if I posted in this one yet but yes the refs were horrible
Still we shoulda won the game.
P.S. We should stop paying for tickets to see NBA games with refs that are either completely inept and/or on the take. Naaaaaaaw.
Blazer Fan
Personally, I like Corey Maggette and his game.
I wish he was on our team. Certain teams (like Portland) have no one to defend him. And I think he’s pretty coy, defensively. I think you naysayers are annoyed with his defense because he’s on the other team.
Roy Tribute
Treat people well because Karma can hit you at any second.
He would be great as our SF
But his contract is 3 years too long.
Karma
by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 13, 2009 4:22 PM PST up reply actions
He looks okay getting flops on big men
But really, on a real team he’d have to be a SF, and when he plays his real position of SF, he’s a really really bad defender.
For his career, he’s a huge ballhog with a bad jumper who is one of the best in the league at getting to the FT line. He just doesn’t do anything else, and he doesn’t pass the ball.
Golden State would GLADLY give him up if anyone asked for him, but he has a very long contract and for a dude who solely relies on his athleticism to be a good player, it’s a bad combo.
Mortimer
i dont care which team
floppers play for, it should not be condoned.
basically i see a problem in the NBA: movement or vocals to gain an advantage with the referees.
most top levels offensively players yell or flail their arms like they have been hit in the guts by a baseball bat anytime they get near the basket, a practice i do not agree with.
and some defensive players flop consistently to gain an advantage.
i do not know what the solution is here, but it is an issue that has to be addressed. i was always a fan of the late 90s tough defensive play, where flopping and ticky tacky fouls were harder to get called.
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