Time to give SOME credit to Outlaw
It seems your average blazer fan has certain things they believe in and one of them seems to be lets trade Outlaw. Afterall he never plays "D" ALWAYS pulls up and takes the jumper and pass the ball forget it. They just see what they want to see and disregard all the many positives he brings to the team. He could go 9-10 but all they would see is the one jump shot he missed that he shoud have never been taking in the first place. TRADE him!!!! Of corse the no "D" no pass allways take the jumper is not true. Outside of Roy I do not think there is another blazer who has contributed more to some big wins this season than Travis. Many times this season he has come in when the team was struggling at the offensive end and hit some big shots to get things headed in the right direction. When the 4th quarter rolls around you can expect him to be in there in a close game taking and making a big shot(like against the knicks the other night) to pull out a win. Its not easy to find players like him who can come off the bench and light a spark plus fit in to the team chemistry that is so VERY important!!!!! Inspite of the blazers lack of a good team defense right now I think their team chemistry is great and the "D" will come. If we win tonight we will be 33-19 at the break, not bad. Unless someone wants to give us something great for RLEC lets just keep what we have and see how things go, we can allways tweak things during the summer. Anyway just wanted to get something positive said for Travis all the negitive gets old.
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Travis is an amazing scorer.
Exceptional even. For which I’m grateful. His buckets have been critically important in a number of games. His weaknesses don’t cancel that out for me, though they are significant.
Had he not so often allowed an uncontested shot immediately before his own wonderful basket, I’d love him even more. His game does continue to evolve, and I have high hopes that as his teammates become more flow oriented on offense, and Nate finally gets his defensively oriented culture in place, Travis’ll be right there with the rest of them.
Trout seems so well liked and team oriented that I look forward to watching him round out his game as we become more cohesive on both ends of the court. His incendiary scoring ability will then become even more fun to watch.
Perfect practice makes perfect.
I gotta say Travis' jumper is WET. I wanna keep him if he is happy with the time he gets
I feel like his game has been progressing a ton this year, I think he will continue to get better at dfense and defensive rebounding. Remember that quasi dunk he had over KG after he burned PaulP late in the 4th quarter of our celtics game. He seems to be trying to take it to the rack a lot more this year
when did people start using wet like this?
I gotta say Travis’ jumper is WET
i heard casey say it in a podcast and i thought it was kinda…weird.
travis said it in his pre season interveiw with j quick
But ive heard it used other places too.
by tevisthe4th on Feb 12, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
its all about putting the ball in the cup
a quote unquote ‘wet’ jumper.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
by TheOdenator on Feb 12, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions
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Put me firmly in the Dave camp that states: the thing we hate about Travis is exactly the thing that allows him to win games for us.
For example, remember Travis dribbling up court with 7 seconds to go in the NY game? Boy was that painful to watch. I mean, it looked like he was trying to figure out trigonometry he looked so uncomfortable with the ball. But then again, he made that heart-attack jumper off the in-bounds play only minutes before. As Dave notes, that breaks the will of the other team.
My opinion: Outlaw will never be a main guy. When he grows up, I think he’s going to be Xavier McDaniels Part 2. At best. My middle-aged heart just can’t take that kind of night-in and night-out abuse. For me, give me something like Udoka-steadiness.
Mark me down as one of the people who’s pleased that Outlaw is good enough to get some nice trade value and I’ll be happy to cheer for him somewhere else. And I have every expectation he’ll light up Portland for 55pts or something when he rolls into town with the Raptors or whomever.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
his D is that bad
you just said “They just see what they want to see and disregard all the many positives” well think of the negative too. Like bad turnovers bad fade away shots inability to score early on in the game, and thats our biggest problem, not coming out of the gate and getting in a hole. so he doesn’t help that problem. I’m not saying hes JJack and we would be better off with out him,its that is very good trade candy for other teams willing to deal old stars for young talent.
and his bad Defense gets Oden in foul trouble
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Inability to score early in the game?
We just don’t go to him as much, similar to how we don’t go to Roy as much early. Outlaw did score 10 in the first quarter against the Knicks.
Gets Oden in foul trouble?
Usually the refs have already taken Oden out of the game by the time Travis gets in around the 4-5 minute mark.
Also the Blazers play help defense so that the players guarding on the perimeter sag in to help the interior players. I don’t always like this style of defense but that is what Nate has them playing.
by Dmartyparty on Feb 12, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
I was starting to lean toward trade Travis very early in the season.
Keep in mind I have always been a Martell Webster guy. I changed my mind about Travis pretty quick once he started making everyone remember how he can come into the game and rack up buckets in crunch time.
Anyway I have come to the conclusion that Outlaw’s shortcomings aren’t enough of an offset to his skills to be able to let him go so easily. Not a lot of people can come into a game cold, without a conscience, and score points like he can.
Also, once it became apparent that we lost Webster for most of the season, trading Outlaw started looking really dangerous to the team.
Outlaw is still expanding his game, and starting to reduce the instances of bad decision making.
In other words, #25
Dunk
by Billy Ray Bates on Feb 12, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions
One dimensional
I dont think that anyone who watches the PTB would argue that Travis isn’t a scorer. He can create shots sometimes but mostly he gets his off jumpers. Yes he hits some big shots but he also creates problems when on the floor. He is too slow to guard most SF’s and too weak to rebound and defend most PF’s. Take the game last night. Because LA was in Foul trouble TO played PF for extended minutes. Even though Oden and Pryz were rebounding exceptionally we were barely holding our own on the boards through 3 quarters and TO had 0 thats no rebounds through the first three quarters. He does not provide a lot of D or rebounding and seeing that it is his 6th season I doubt those are going to change.
But that one dimension wins games.
You don’t win by out rebounding your opponent. You don’t win by out defending your opponent. You win by outscoring your opponent. Happens every game. So why don’t the Knicks and Warriors win more games? Simple, for all their scoring, thy simply don’t outscore their opponents.
Defense is good. Rebounding is good. Those things help you win games, but someone needs to put the ball in the basket, and Travis does that well on most nights.
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How is defense less important than offense? Seriously? Offense “helps” you win games. Defense “helps you win games.” Neither wins a game for you alone.
If you score every possession, you can’t win if the other team score every possession, the game goes until one team is lucky enough to have the final possession.
If you make a stop every possession, but so does the other team, the game goes on forever.
Saying that one dimension wins a game is just… wow.
Score on every possession? Never going to happen.
Score on no possession? Also never going to happen.
Team with the most points when the game over wins? Happens every game, without exception.
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"Its been 6 seasons, this is what he is and will be." -- supermilk
Bro, you’re beating a dead horse with me on this. Travis has been more involved in the team every consecutive season. His game has gotten better every year. So what if it’s his 6th year. He came into the league a naive pup and through some miracle wasn’t contaminated by the Jail Blazer roster that brought the franchise to its knees. He has survived, and done so with respect, determination and a total commitment to his teammates, coaches and fans. To suggest he has peaked out or reached his ceiling seems entirely premature. Let’s face it, chemistry is not a statistic that shows up in any boxscore, and if it did, Travis might lead the NBA in it.
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by bow4meow on Feb 12, 2009 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Your knowledge of the Site Conversation Rules is lacking.
He talks about the person posting instead of the post and its points/ideas. This is completely unnecessary. Hint: Limit the use of the word “you” in your posts. “You’re an idiot if you think LeBron will be traded. Cleveland values him too much…” should be just “Cleveland values LeBron too much to trade him.”
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Travis has been doing absolutely great these past few games. He got over 20pts once again and when things arent going well I feel it’s time that Outlaw should come in. He takes some bad shots but he also is incredibly clutch when we need him to be.
His 3 point threat is also super important. We have 3 consistent 3 threats, Blake, Rudy and Outlaw.
Blake is out right now so all we have is Rudy and Outlaw.
The one thing that has been killing me about Travis as of late though, is his poor free throw shooting. I don’t know what happened with his free throws but it’s absolutely horrible lately.
Don’t trade him, we need his talent.
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by brandonmitchell on Feb 12, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions
The no D part is absolutely true
Travis is a good scorer. Not good at anything else. Poor passer, poor rebounder, poor ball handler, poor decision-maker.
Depends on how bad we need a good scorer who doesn’t do anything else.
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He's not a multi-tool like Roy
He is an awl…or a biscuit-joiner…or a planer. He does one thing (score) well and the rest…meh.
He has a good contract for what we get out of him. Keep him as the sparkplug / scoring threat, unless we get an offer we can’t pass by OR Batum + Martell make the leap to make Trout’s game superfluous.
by DonkeyShins on Feb 12, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions
I'd move Travis in a heartbeat for an upgrade at SF or PG..
I give him credit for being an absolutely clutch scorer of the basketball late in game. He drives me mad though that for the rest of the game he refuses to hit the glass, commits turnovers, play no defense, and just look confused out there..
He had a sequence last night where he double dribbled and committed another mindless turnover in like a one minute period.
If he could just add one more thing to his game whether it’s rebounding or becoming a solid defender I would like Travis alot. However, as of right now, while I’d miss his clutchness, I’d move him in a deal without second thought
why do you say "mindless turnover"?
are rudy’s turnovers “mindless” as well?
ignacio
I'm critical of TO's defense and consistency
…but I think he’s been playing better lately and had some really nice effort plays (in addition to the timely shooting we’ve come to expect) last night. Credit where credit is due.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Feb 12, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions
I just posted this in the next thread down
when someone mentioned the impact of a scorer like Travis in a tight playoff game. Thought it was worth repeating in this thread.
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I think people seriously underestimate the impact Travis can have in the playoffs.
In a game where every basket is a fight to the death, and 84 points is going to win the game, the impact of having a guy come in and hitting 7-8 unstoppable shots can be pretty significant.
And Travis is so cool in the clutch that the ice-water running through his veins has stopped global warming in its tracks.
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by jscot on Feb 12, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Yes.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
+25
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Woo Hoo!
Another sig line from a Bedge heavy hitter! Makes my day!
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Unless
His poor defense costs you more than he can produce, then he’s a negative. Basketball is that simple.
+1
The poor defense equals a -2 then the non-rebound costs another -2. Net = -2. after his made shot.
Great scorer. Not great at much else. Slooow feet on defense. Quicksand slow.
put a body on 'em
Of course
But haven’t you noticed how Travis occasionally rises to the occasion on defense (against Dirk at home, against Durant at home, on key possessions)?
Travis is all about concentration. Entirely, 100%. He didn’t have coaching in high school, never want to college, and his first 2 years didn’t have much in the NBA. He never established good habits, so when the concentration drifts, he’s bad, especially on defense.
No one can bring 100% concentration all the time. The guys who seem to have just established such good patterns that they are doing the right thing, anyway.
But in playoff series, Travis will have a much higher ratio of concentration.
People say Brandon will someday be a Finals MVP. Travis is the kind of player who may always be our sixth or seventh man, frustrate us immensely throughout the regular season, and then could win a Finals MVP by coming in and lighting it up for 25 points on 8-11 shooting with 4-6 on 3s every single game.
Travis can almost single-handedly lose you a game, but he can also single-handedly win one. In the playoffs, the ratio of wins to losses is very likely to be high.
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I love Travis because he is the opposite of your ordinary cocky offensive spark plug.
He’s softspoken, courteous, and gets along with his teammates well. How many game changers off the bench have such an awesome attitude? I totally agree with everyone who says he can’t be a starter until his defense improves, but off the bench scorers usually don’t come with the best defensive skills or they would be starters.
Personally I see Bayless, LMA, and Outlaw as the only players on the Blazers who actually step up their game in chippy playoff style ball.
I have been, and will always be an Outlaw fan and wouldn’t want to see him traded unless he wants a chance to go to a basement team and be a starter.
Thanks for this post and sign me up for the Travis fan club.
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I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Travis seems to be
A more ready,willing and able passer when he’s on the floor with Rudy,his defensive shortcomings are from slow reactions and a slow first step not lack of effort but I dont think you can fix that any more than you can teach Blake to jump like Travis
by southern oregon on Feb 12, 2009 1:27 PM PST reply actions
Wow! Two positive Travis fanposts in one day. Unprecedented. I love it.
#25
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Its taken awhile
but I believe our efforts are paying dividends
"Travis is so cool in the clutch that the ice-water running through his veins has stopped global warming in its tracks."-- jscot
Might have something to do with
Travis’s efforts as well
by southern oregon on Feb 12, 2009 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, it has seemed to me that no matter how well Travis performs
his numerous detractors will find some spurious reason to denigrate him.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Or no mater how poorly he plays
some homers will never see his game clearly and defend him blindly with spurious reasons and emotional responses.
All that milk is giving you lactose intolerance. Find a toilet.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
There is nothing wrong with homers.
I do however have a problem with people who use it as a derogatory term towards others. There is nothing wrong with fans loving their team and disagreeing with you.
Release your inner Kraken
by Dragline on Feb 13, 2009 4:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well said.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Feb 13, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions
yea probably true
"Travis is so cool in the clutch that the ice-water running through his veins has stopped global warming in its tracks."-- jscot
Travis Outlaw has recieved an unfair share of criticism for his play this season on BE
Players like Roy, Rudy, Aldridge and Bayless don’t get called out for their defensive lapses (and yes, they happen). All of Travis’ mistakes get pointed out. There’s no doubt that he makes some terrible defensive plays (leaving a 3 pt shooter wide open for example) and he misses a lot of box-outs also, but he’s also been a terrific scorer for this team.
I actually think his shot selection has been ok lately. The fadeaway jumper isn’t a bad shot for him. The only time I get upset about his shots are when he shoots with a toe on the 3 pt line, which has happened less frequently of late.
Boomshakalaka
TO certainly deserves a lot of credit
For years I’ve watched him do nothing but shoot jump shots or take that jab step, off-balance shot. However this year he’s taking the ball to the rim with a lot more regularity and it has, I believe, paid off for him.
He’s a great off-the-bench scorer. But I don’t think he’ll ever be more than that. His best position seems to be PF, and he seems to get outrebounded at that position. He’ll make one good or even great defensive play and then play lax defense on the next four possessions. I see hustle and effort on the offensive end that I just don’t see when he’s playing defense. Yes, everyone makes defensive mistakes. I just see more of them from TO.
In my heart, I’d love to see TO as a Blazer forever. He’s a great young man who has certainly helped the team win a number of games. But in my head, I’ve become resigned to the theory that TO as trade bait might help the Blazers find a player with a little more consistency.
It’s that
Zman
Travis is my favorite player I give him more than “some” credit.
giving Trout his props
I made this comment last week in another thread, but thought it would be a good post here. i’ve been pretty critical of trout over the years, but i’ve been in the camp that doesn’t want to trade anyone, so trout was never really on my chopping block.
“i dunno…to me travis has been giving us a lot less to complain about these days. he is doing a much better job about playing within the flow of the offense unless it is called upon for him to do his thing in the 4th quarter. he no longer is the black hole he was last year. he hasn’t really made that many blunders in the game that scream low bbiq anymore either. not only that he is penetrating and looking to score in the paint rather than take fadeaway jumpers. he may not be playing stellar defense but i like that he is making the effort to rebound every night now. if he keeps it up i’d be comfortable with him starting sometime down the road.”
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He missed 11 shots in a row tonight
how much credit should he get for that?
"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy
He got 11 rebounds
But they weren’t on the shots he missed.
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No love for Travis tonite
and he dont deserve any
by southern oregon on Feb 13, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions
Typical Travis
Great games followed by horrible games.
At least he did rebound on a night when he isn’t shooting well. If he can learn to contribute in other ways consistently….
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But he's not Kevin Durant
And what everyone knows is that a team where about half the players can play Small Forward, what that team REALLY needs, is another small forward.
So trade b-roy, oden, LMA, rudy and przy for KD right now. Cause he’s the next Lebron James. Even though he can’t pass and he’s built like Tayshuan Prince…
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by Eat Politicians on Feb 13, 2009 2:21 AM PST reply actions
OKC turns from 2nd pick in the draft
to playoff team
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
Travis Outlaw had a BAD night at GS
http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290212009
3-14? Ouch
My avatar is 3 years into the future for sure...
But he had 12 rebounds!
Probably mostly off his own bricks. His defense was pretty bad again also.
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by leeroyjenkins on Feb 13, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions
a bad night
like many other Trail Blazers did. Was it Travis? His teammates? Maybe the opposition? Probably the refs. – Elgin
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