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Excuse me, waiter? I'll have the Salmons, please...

Depending on how into the trade deadline scene you are (I know, it was SOOO 2008), you've probably heard between ten and two-hundred names tossed around in trade rumors. 

One of the more concrete?  John Salmons.  Rip City Reign made a case for him last week

The Salmons idea has generally been met with a large dose indifference.  As jksnake said, "I’m not anti-Salmons but the deal doesn’t get me super-excited either."  Ditto for most of the Edge.

He's not sexy.  He's like the girl in the 80's movie wearing the horn-rimmed glasses with her hair up in a bun. 

Why?  Because he played for a football school (Miami).  Because he was a late first round pick.  Because he plays for the Sac-town Sackofpoo. 

But Salmons would be a nice, affordable piece for this team, and he would fit in perfectly.

First, look at the numbers.  Salmons TS% is 57.1.  Strong to very strong.  "Power" forwards are supposed to score more efficiently than wing players, and LMA has a TS% of 52.1.  Trout is having a career year from three, and consequently a career year in terms of TS%. But at 53.7, his TS% is still FAR behind Salmons.

Salmons is more comparable to the gold standard, B-Roy.  Roy has a TS% of 56.4.  (Don't get me wrong - Salmons is not Roy.   But he scores as efficiently as Roy.)

But what we need is defense, right?  Let's look to Hollinger's scouting report.  Here's what he says about Salmons D:

In addition to his slashing ability, Salmons is a very good defender who can guard three positions. He's quick and has good size at 6-7, and ranked in the top third of shooting guards in both blocks and steals per minute. The Kings often used him as the primary stopper against elite scorers, even when Ron Artest was on the court with him, and he held his own in those matchups.

So, basically, what I'm saying is screw Hollywood.  The Blazers don't need a big name (Richard Jefferson).  They don't need somebody with a ring (Tayshaun).  They don't need a leader (Butler).  The latter two of those guys would be great, but that's why they're probably untouchable.

The Blazers need a guy who can step into the three spot, play solid D, and score efficiently given the opportunity.  That guy could be John Salmons.  I wouldn't give up Bayless or Rudy, but if Trout or Martell + RLEC could get a deal done, the trigger needs to be pulled. 

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How would a little Salmons work as a new ingredient in the cake?
Nicely. Once you let the hair down and lose the glasses, those girls in 80's movies are always hot.
39 votes
Meh. I'm still indifferent. Numbers are fishy.
35 votes
Poorly. Sacramento has mercury in the water. If you like kids without ears or noses, eat up.
27 votes

101 votes | Poll has closed

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There are rumors

that Washington is so desperate they’re more willing to part with Butler for a little talent and cap relief. This economy will force someone to deal a very good player for financial reasons.

by Cablinasian on Feb 10, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

I hope Portland can land another stud, rather than just a mid-level guy like Salmons. Butler would be phenomenal.

I just hope it doesn’t take somebody like B-Rex or Rudy to pull in a name like Butler.

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by KP Corleone on Feb 10, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions  

does Butler's age concern you?

Hard to believe, but he turns 29 in March.

by JasonT on Feb 10, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

nah.. not at all.

It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting

by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 10, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

It might take more talent than we are willing to part with.

Probably Bayless

It was "mascot night" at the Rose Garden, which apparently translates to a dozen inflatable versions of various NBA mascots being chased around the arena by Portland's "Blaze", which is some breed of rapist dog. -PostingandToasting

by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 10, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

When he doesn't start on the kings.

Who wouldn’t be happy to come off the bench on a team like the Blazers? All of our players riding the pine right now seem to be pleased.

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by HonestPete on Feb 10, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That would be my biggest concern with him.

Salmons so far has been a guy who produces when he gets playing time and the ball. With Artest gone and Martin out for a big chuck of the season, Salmons is getting what he wants. My questions would be “How good does he perform as a third or fourth option (assuming he starts)?” and is he good enough to be a the second or third best player on the team?

He strikes me a little like Gerald Wallace and between the two, I’d lean toward Wallace. If all it takes is Raef’s contract, then maybe take a chance. I don’t think I’d give up either Webster or Batum for him.

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by timg56 on Feb 10, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

If it costs only RLEC and e.g. Channing, I'm in favor of it

But I think there are better guys out there to get for that major trade chip if you make a package around Raef and don’t look to trade him alone.
I wouldn’t give up anyone from the major guys and the big talents to acquire Salmons, most importantly not Bayless who reportedly Sactown asked for in return. He is pretty small for the forward position (about the size of Rudy and Roy). He was bad in Philly. He has his best season now in Sacramento, on a team that isn’t doing much. He turns the ball over at a high rate for a guy who doesn’t have to bring it up. He is 29. I wouldn’t give up Travis for him, who by the way has Salmons rebounds per game in much less minutes. And we all know Trout is not the most diligent rebounder on the planet.

The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!

by Norsktroll on Feb 10, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not very hungry

I’ll have the Chico Salmon – Elgin

Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot

by 22baylor on Feb 10, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

+1

The Seattle Pilots traded Chico Salmon in spring training for…..whom?

by chnews on Feb 10, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

stumped.

Jim Bouton? – Elgin

Since when do we need to ponder to froth? - jscot

by 22baylor on Feb 10, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Salmons is a good player

but I don’t think a good fit here. He’s probably better at the 2 than at the 3; doesn’t like coming off the bench, and is a lousy rebounder.

If he could be had cheap, fine—but I’d rather get a guy like a Luol Deng than Salmons.

by EngineerScotty on Feb 10, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

That’s a good point, that he’s really more of a two. Obviously the Blazers have plenty of shooting guards.

He is soft on the boards – and yeah, no question I’d much rather have Deng.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Feb 10, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Salmons = No

I don’t think he fills a need for us.

What I believe we need the most is a physical veteran PF, but if we got that route then Outlaw gets his minutes cut substantially. Honestly, the pieces we have now are fitting together very well and probably nothing will be done until the offseason. I suspect KP wants to live large on one more draft day.

I hope we’ll do RLEC (or cap room this summer) for picks and a future __EC (if the front office doesn’t see any player based offers they like). Wouldn’t that be great, then we could all start doing this again in the ‘10-’11 season (doubt they’d land an EC for ’10, those are golden right now)!

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by Devenex on Feb 10, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions  

Ramon Sessions

Any chance? Can he defend? Is he a good guy?

by chnews on Feb 10, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions  

Yes, yes and yes.

The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!

by Norsktroll on Feb 10, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Think of..

the promotional tie-ins.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Feb 10, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Not a good fit

Terrible three point shooter. In the Blazers offense, with Roy, LMA, and Oden, you can’t insert a PG who’s a complete non-threat from behind the three point line. The offense stagnates when teams dare Sergio to score and he doesn’t do it.

Sessions can attack the rack with the best of them, and he’s a good distributor, but I’m not sure he’s good enough without the ball, and good enough spotting up, to play next to Brandon.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Feb 10, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't jack up shots from outside since he knows his shot is bad

And unlike Sergio, Sessions draws fouls and actually scores going to the rim. Sessions vs. Bayless, now that’s a true Alien vs. Predator battle for the future.

The cake is a lie. Trade the cake!

by Norsktroll on Feb 10, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the chances are practically nil.

Defense? Passable, better than Sergio.
Good guy? Seems to be.

Now, if you’re looking for Richard Jefferson, than you’ve got a much better chance. But does Portland want him? Maybe. Good character guy, does play defense, can hit the 3. His drawback is that he’s as streaky as a grade-schooler’s unchanged underwear.

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by T Darkstar on Feb 10, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions  

then, not than.

Someone call the grammar police! Oh, wait, I am the grammar police.

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by T Darkstar on Feb 10, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Salmons

I just don’t see the fit here. He’s a decent player, but I don’t think the trade price is worth his value compared to Martell/TO now or Nic in the future. If we were 1 player away this year, maybe, but Salmons isn’t enough of a difference maker to put us in that category.

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by blazeraddict on Feb 10, 2009 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

PLEASE SEE

http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/1/27/737816/petrie-s-options-with-port#11765875

Back when the rumor first cam out I did some investigatory research on Salmons and here is what they had to say

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Feb 10, 2009 12:18 PM PST reply actions  

Portland will be involved in a blockbuster

for the first time since Trader Bob was here I have that feeling in my teeth and it will be sweeter then sweet. I won’t bust out the PS word but it will be the mother of all lopsided trades. Perfect storm for blazers, Young talent (that needs to be traded now to realize maximum value), the best expiring contract in the league, Economic poop storm, KP’s genius and Paul Allens big big BIG $$$.

Blockbuster. Bank on it…on second thought bookies are more likely to have your money then banks so BOOK IT!

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by Idog1976 on Feb 10, 2009 12:39 PM PST reply actions  

Nice breakdown

I like Salmons, I like him a lot. I don’t pay much attention to Hollinger’s defensive scouting reports (he’s a stat guy and a good one but a scout he is not). He’s definitely another offensive weapon (would probobly be our 2nd best option after Roy). I’m not knocking his D, I’m admitting I don’t know much about it.

Suffice it to say that if KP does the deal for RLEC+not much more, it will have the thumbs up from me.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Feb 10, 2009 12:48 PM PST reply actions  

Agree to the breakdown

But he is a shoot-first player. We already have three of those on our team as it is.

I WAS all about trading Travis Outlaw…but he has come up HUGE for us the past couple weeks. I just don’t quite understand why we would trade a piece of the puzzle, especially one who should be starting over Batum.

by Ireallyliketheblazers on Feb 10, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions  

How about this trade?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=376454201530251705808&teams=222723272223&te=&cash=

Portland gets: Caron Butler, Bobby Jackson
Washington gets: RLEC, Sergio
Sacramento gets: Outlaw, DeShawn Stevenson and one of Portland’s stockpiled 2nd round draft picks

Why Portland would do it: Caron Butler is exactly the upgrade we need at SF. Bobby Jackson gives us a playoff-savvy veteran in the backcourt for THIS season (his contract expires at season’s end). Also solves the Sergio/Rex conundrum.

Why Washington would do it: financial reasons; Nick Young could possibly fill Butler’s scoring void; Sergio would be a solid backup once Arenas returns.

Why Sacto would do it: Bobby Jackson has no real purpose on a team this bad; DeShawn Stevenson can play defense; and of course Travis Outlaw is a good player at an even better value, allowing the Kings to have either an excellent 6th man or the necessary piece in place so they can deal Salmons.

by Badalona Baddie on Feb 10, 2009 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

interesting. Seems like Wash is getting screwed though

RLEC and Sergio probably isnt enough. Unless they are REALLY desperate

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 10, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed but we might have to give up someone better than sergio..

and who that is makes the trade a go or no go

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Feb 10, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Some guys who have value as starters

are worthless coming off the bench,Channing comes to mind,not always an ego freak thing just the way they came from the factory

by southern oregon on Feb 10, 2009 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

I think Channing would play a lot better if he were getting

at least 25 minutes a game, as a starter or off the bench. He performed well the last few weeks of last season when he had that many minutes.

by MiledAnimal on Feb 10, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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