Game 23 Recap: Blazers 102, Pacers 91
Whew! I wasn't sure if we were going to pull that one out. But in the end the Blazers did just enough things right to earn the victory. It wasn't a masterpiece but at this point any win goes on the refrigerator proudly.
Portland's offense was actually pretty steady tonight. That doesn't mean it was particularly well-executed. The Blazers ended up shooting mostly jumpers. But this was one of those nights when the jumpers fell from the opening bell. When the Blazers can hit them the floor opens up and they become a much more dangerous team. Still in my first quarter notes I have the following:
The Blazers' jumpers are falling. But will they all game? Fool's gold?
We shall have to see.
Chief perpetrator and leader of the Falling Jumper Brigade was LaMarcus Aldridge who had his turn-around working like clockwork early. After one attempt to post Brandon Roy on the first possession of the game the Blazers just decided LaMarcus was their man. He delivered, scoring the first 10 Portland points. Once the Pacers failed to stop him open shots started appearing for his teammates.
On the other end the Blazers showed quickly what the story of the game would be. When Portland got back in transition the Pacers had a hard time scoring in the halfcourt. When the Blazers trotted the Pacers put the ball in immediately. Except for the few times the Blazers committed to a zone which smelled worse than week old head cheese Indiana could never find enough makes to dent Portland's lead at a slower tempo. Portland exited the first quarter with a much-needed 7-point lead.
The second period saw much of the same action on offense except many of the jump shots came from outside the Roy-Aldridge duo, to mixed results. Jerryd Bayless had a nice run and Juwan Howard contributed some points but that only kept the offense even, not excelling. Meanwhile the Blazers weren't quite as energetic on defense and they also failed to take any rebounding advantage, letting the Pacers off of the ropes. The quarter ended up 26 all as Portland nursed its lead into halftime.
The third quarter saw a near-breakdown on the defensive end as the Blazers were unable to keep the Pacers out of the paint no matter what kind of defense they employed. We saw more of the stinky-zone, which actually isn't stinky in theory but it certainly is when you just run to a spot and sort of stand there, failing to stop anyone, cover for anyone else, and above all rebound. The smell also started to permeate the man defense, though it looked better as the quarter progressed. The rebounding was off as well. The Blazers were confined to jumpers again, almost never scoring in the paint. You started to see signs of fatigue as the shots drifted. The Pacers scored 30, made up 5, and started the fourth down 2.
The Blazers looked for all the world like they were going to give the game away in the final period. Two things saved them. First the Granger-less Pacers went kind of spastic, especially early in the quarter, evidently figuring that since a comeback was imminent they could shoot any shot they wanted as quickly as they wanted and old Santy Clause would wrap it up in a bow for them. Second, Portland started missing jumpers in earnest. How does that help, you ask? It apparently turned on a light in Brandon Roy's head and he started the "We're Not Losing This" routine. Inside, outside, upside down...he just called for the ball, dribbled the defender into wooziness, and hit at the first sign of daylight. Once again this opened up the spacing for guys like Miller and Blake to take shots they couldn't refuse (and fortunately for us couldn't miss either). In the end Brandon kept the jumpers from becoming fool's gold. Smacka-smacka-smacka, whappa-whappa-whappa, the Blazers outscore the Pacers by 9 in the quarter and win by 11.
The effort was never consistent tonight but it was spread widely enough at different times that at least the team avoided the predictability that marred the Knicks game. Most of the big men had their defensive moments. Everybody scored a little, keying off of Roy and Aldridge who scored a lot. The fact that Indiana nearly doubled the Blazers' offensive rebounds and took 92 shots to Portland's 79 could have been a disaster. Had the Pacers been able to hit a couple more shots this would have been a different game. But sometimes it's just your night for the ball to fall and this was Portland's. They spaced the floor well enough to justify it and evidenced enough individual talent in the end to cement it, so call the win good.
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Individual Observations
As we said, the Blazers made a conscious effort to get LaMarcus going early and it paid dividends for the game. He looked more excited to be out there tonight. It wasn't a stellar game defensively but he held his own. 20 points on 8-12 shooting is nice.
Brandon Roy bookended the game with that final flurry. We needed his penetration and his moxie badly. This looked like old Brandon (for those who have been wondering where he went). 11-21 from the field, 6-10 free throws (good number drawn there), 29 points, 7 rebounds (missing the team high by only 1), and 5 assists (again missing the team high by 1).
Andre Miller had a mixed game but ended up making a sizable dent. The bad part was him settling for jumpers, which is exactly what the opponent wants. Fortunately he made some, ending up 5-12 for the night with 15 points. He had 4 steals but only 2 assists. Then again both the jumpers and the assists can be explained by the ball being out of his hands much of the night. Often when that happens ‘Dre is all but silent. He found ways to contribute tonight.
Steve Blake had 6 assists and lived chiefly by not holding the ball long whenever he saw it. He either passed it or shot it. I like that Steve. He was only 2-7 from the field but he was 2-4 from distance which is the more important number for him. You expect because of the injuries he's going to be put in the position of shooting from places he's not comfortable. That's fine as long as he hits from the places he is comfortable as well. His three-point shot is vital if he's going to be out there.
Joel Przybilla played 30 minutes and provided almost half of the Blazers' paint points with 12 off of a couple of nice feeds and some put-backs. Him contributing anything on the offensive end helps. He wasn't matched up with classic offensive centers on the other end so his defense was understated. But he did help keep Indiana away from the rim in the halfcourt...though it's not like they were going there much anyway. Not a bad game from Joel overall.
Martell...where has your shot gone? Find it, because we're leaving. 2-8, 1-4 from distance, 5 points in 30 minutes.
Juwan Howard got 19 minutes and is starting to look more comfortable out there. One thing you can say about him...even if his individual skills aren't what they used to be when you look at where he is on the floor he's usually in position to do something. He knows where to get open for the outlet jumper. He knows where to shade on defense. It's not like he's making a huge difference, but this team needs just a little bit more of that and I'm willing to sacrifice some explosiveness to get it. 3-3, 6 points, 3 rebounds, 5 fouls in 19 minutes. He had trouble keeping up with the unorthodox Indiana bigs as well.
Dante Cunningham brought at least some mild energy and looks like he's reintroduced himself to his shooting confidence as well. He only got 8 minutes but he contributed 4 points and 3 rebounds. I would love to see him get even more aggressive on defense and especially going for loose balls. I'd like to see him become a Jerome Kersey-Ruben Patterson guy that way.
Jerryd Bayless had a pretty nice 14 minutes offensively, driving hard, creating havoc, and even dishing a couple of assists to go along with his 5 points and 2 boards. He'd be a really nice off-guard if you could pair him with a tall, shooting point guard who could switch to the 2 on defense.
Final Thoughts
This was an important win psychologically with Cleveland and Milwaukee coming up. Now you have a chance for a decent road trip by any standards if you win 1 of those 2. Considering the situation, .500 would be a great road trip for us right now.
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Roy had an amazing game tonight.
I think he is back to form and will be an all-star again. It is up to him, but I think he can lead this team to great things, with or without Greg Oden.
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by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Dec 9, 2009 9:44 PM PST reply actions
C'mon, lets be honest.
Martell…where has your shot gone?
He’s never had one.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
He had one
Against Memphis and earlier this year.
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As pretty as his shot his, he's never had good shooting numbers.
He is a good 3 point shooter, but not great, and an absolutely abysmal mid range jump shooter.
#52
He's always been overrated on the basis on his beautiful form.
But something happens to him up there, at the apex of his jump, when he lets the shot out of his hands, and he fails to WILL the ball into the basket or something. It’s a mysterious “something” that’s missing, but it’s missing, and no amount of feel-good self-esteem psychology (which he’s had) seems to be able to put it together for more than the random quarter here and there.
Whereas Outlaw started slow this year (which he has shown a tendency to do), when he’s in a reasonable groove the Blazers have at least been able to count on him to take some big shots late in games and give it his all to will the ball into the hole.
The two seasons before this he’s been very effective in this role. Martell has never shown any such quality of will.
ignacio
He's a shooter in that he shoots the ball, sure.
Nothing about Webster’s career should lead anybody to believe he’s a “shooter” in the sense you’re referring to him. He’s a career 37% 3-point shooter, which is decent, but not great, and a career .405 “shooter” from the field. His career TS% is 53%, which is mediocre at best when looking at his supposed “talent”.
Let’s face it, Martell is not a great basketball player. You can’t point to individual games and use that as a referrendum on a guy’s ability, otherwise we’d all look back at when he dropped 26 points in a quarter and disregard the cumulation of all his crappy games.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
24 points in a quarter?
not a lot of NBA players can say that
the rust goes deep on Marty’s game…remember that, all you who are still hopeful that Outlaw can return and contribute this season
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It proves that the statement
that he’s never had a jump shot is pretty silly.
Even if someone doesn’t like Martell’s game, we’d be a lot better off if he were knocking down 3s at a 38% rate, like he did two years ago. It makes perfect sense to ask where his shot has gone.
#52
Shooters aren't inconsistent...
they’re streaky. ;-)
it proves that he has done it
and he has the talent to potentially do it, again
I’m not saying that Marty will rediscover his stroke any time soon, but scouts and GMs tend to look at a player’s “upside” in this way. (Remember, the very reason that Webster was drafted is because he shot the lights out in a pre-draft workout that Paul Allen attended…)
Players in any sport who have shown past talent (pitchers in baseball, etc) will be given multiple opportunites to prove that they have definitely “lost” their former skill. Scouts will cling to the “known” rather than take a chance on a new kid with potential who hasn’t been able to put his talent “on display”
There are probably a few 6’7" kids in the D-League right now who could provide more offense than what Webster is doing, but they don’t have a “history” with the Blazer’s scouts and assistant coaches so they won’t get the chance to compete against Martell, who if nothing else is at least familiar with the Blazer’s “system” (But how hard can it be? Go stand in the corner…)
BTW, based on the lack of talent that Portland’s scouts have assembled for the team’s latest summer league rosters, I don’t have a lot of confidence that Born and co. will be able to target the “right” FA’s to add to the NBA roster this winter…I’d rather call down to Don Nelson’s staff and find out who they like (they’ve found diamonds in the rough like Anthony Morrow, and that kid that they just got to play center, etc)
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Unrec
Anyone smart enough to post on Blazersedge should be smart enough to know ERA is fairly meaningless.
no, it's their W-L record that's meaningless
We are not going to let this thread degrade into a VORP argument, are we? I’ve already read enough about sabrmetrics to last a lifetime
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Last comment on the subject from me then.
ERA is fairly meaningless too. FIP is much better, although not perfect.
My kingdom for an edit
Good summary about pitching stats here:
http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/29/evaluating-pitcher-talent/
OK I’m done for real.
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Long time advanced statistical self-justification he sought. – Lewis Carroll
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
I don't think anyone would say a 6.75 ERA is meaningless
Whether other stats are better metrics or not, if your ERA is that high, you ain’t tearin’ up the league….
#52
Huh?
Anyone smart enough to post on Blazersedge should be smart enough not to care about Baseball. ;)
+92
" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous
by 92wastheyear on Dec 10, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions
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Flag on you. March back 15 yards and try again. – Ichiro
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
They found Nic low in the draft
They drafted Freeland, which is looking like that might have been a good pick.
Dante looks like a good pick.
Koponen is starting to play in Europe like he might pan out, too.
I’m not saying our scouts hit a home run every time or anything, none of those guys are going to be an all-star or anything, barring something totally unforeseen. But I’ve not seen any reason to question whether our scouts can evaluate talent.
Summer league rosters mean nothing. Lots of the better players would prefer to play summer league for a team with which they might have a chance to make the roster.
#52
Based on records alone ...
… it is hard to argue that Golden State is a better evaluator of talent than Portland is.
I’m not saying won – loss record is the only indicator of talent, but it certainly is a good place to start.
hakkaa päälle !
I was there
It was almost comical, vs. Utah two seasons back. During Webster’s ridiculous run Sloan called two timeouts and his team still couldn’t stop him.
We were down 7 entering the third and up 15 entering the fourth, thanks to Webster.
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I was there, too...
best single scoring streak I’ve seen in person. Oh, where art thou Martell?
The worst part about it now is that he isn’t contributing much else anymore. At least earlier in the season, it seemed he was rebounding better and doing more of the intangibles. I guess he had 5 boards, a steal, and a block last night but I can barely recall him being out there for 29:30 minutes last night…
Let's do it for the big man!...and Rudy!....and Nic!...and, uh, Trout, Pendy, Patty, Mo, Mr. Allen, and Nate!
Rehab With Us
Will they win Friday?
Probably not but wouldn’t it be awesome if they did.
I just dont’ want any injuries.
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Blake and Nellie?
oil and water
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Hey Dave
You seem to have bolded all the text from a certain point on. Might want to fix that.
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MORE BAYLESS, PLEASE.
12 minutes in the first half, 2 minutes in the second — we needed him most during the 3rd when Blake and Andre were getting abused by the Luther Head and some second-round rookie from UConn whose name I can’t remember.
What gives? I suspect Nate called Dean at halftime and said, “Now, I know Bayless played well and Blake didn’t do a damn thing in the first half, but remember. Protocol. Go with Blake, no matter what.”
So Blake gets 2 threes, ties a record, and Brandon does the heavy lifting against an awful team.
More Bayless, more Bayless. Anyone notice the skip pass to Miller for 3? The pass from under the rim to LA for a jumper? Those are passing lanes that Blake can’t find.
I told my wife during last nights 2nd half
that if the Camera never showed the Blazers bench, then every Blazer fan would think Nate was back early. Dean needs to make his own decisions, not the decisions that he feels Nate wants.
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It is a lack of confidence in young players
that they cannot help but be affected by. I call it anti-player development.
#52
Dave, are you suggesting
that a Bayless-Roy backcourt is the pairing of the future, with Roy being the primary ballhandler? Or am I reading too much into your remarks?
yeah, if only we could find
a tall, shooting point guard who can guard the 2. Now, THAT would be something. Ideally this person would excel in the halfcourt as well, while letting JerryD run the offense on the break.
It's the reason we got Bayless in the first place
A few NBA and NCAA guys were suggesting it’d be the perfect pairing.
That has been proved wrong so far, but I still hold out hope.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 9, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
I guess Nate didn't get the memo
since he considers Blake-Roy to be the ideal combo
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Actually I think he considers
Roy and Playing-Days-Nate as the ideal combo.
And until technology catches up with his wishes, he’s sticking with Blake.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 9, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure if Nate and Roy would've always gotten along, on the court
McMillian was a skinny PG who liked the ball in his hands a lot, as I recall
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Actually, Nate played alongside Gary Payton for a good stretch of time. He played three positions, could play on and off the ball, defended all three positions well, etc. He was a stud.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 10, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
don't get Nate started on the subject of Gary Payton
as much as folks like to say “Nate sees a lot of himself in Blake” I don’t think the comparison of Steve’s game to Nate’s PG style would hold up under scrutiny. Blake reminds me more of Michael Holton or Danny Young.: dependable but unspectacular backup PGs.
I had no idea that when Andre Miller was signed that he would be playing less than Steve. It’s absolutely ludicrous. But above all, NBA coaches know they need to keep winning regular season games, so they’re going to stick with what has worked in the past
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I had no idea, either
I thought Blake might start because of fit considerations and to juice up our second unit, but I never thought he’d play as much as Miller.
Well, I thought he might just possibly if he was bombing the 3 even more effectively than last year. But this year’s Blake has not been as good as last year’s, and Miller is better than last year’s Blake.
#52
Coach Pop
Has been known to potentially sacrifice winning regular season games to make sure his team is healthy and peaking, come playoff time
It seems to have worked for him
(But of course, most NBA coaches don’t have his job security…)
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The fact he's done so ...
… on a limited basis and with a veteran team has no bearing I’m sure.
hakkaa päälle !
At last glance, the Spurs are 10-9
This is with the mighty rookie DBlair, my favorite FA big man of the summer (McDyess) and they’ve been struggling to integrate Richard Jefferson into their system
San Antonio was expected to be #2 in the west when the season started. They may not wind up with the 2nd best W-L record, but when the dust settles in June (if Duncan and Manu can stay healthy…) I expect them to be back in the WCF. Pop is another coach with a “rigid” system and he and Buford usually don’t acquire players who are the wrong “fit”. KP and some of Portland’s current scouts/coaches came over from the Spur’s organization and I’ve been hopeful that Portland will emulate San Antonio’s small market success story. The regular season part of the Blazer’s plan has been a rousing success for the past 4 years, but the ultimate proof of their performance will be playoff success, and that can only be seen and evaluated during a couple of weeks (or months, if they do well) every year
I learned the regular season “hard lesson” back in ‘78 and ’91. Winning a high percentage of the 82 games is no guarantee of post-season success. Sure, it’s nice to have the home court advantage for a playoff series, but that can evaporate in 48 minutes, like during game 1 of the 1991 WCF and game 1, last April. If a coach needs to “drop” a few games in the regular season to integrate a new player (RJeff in San Antonio, Miller in Portland, etc) then that’s the price of doing business. The hope is that you make sacrifices “early” in the season to produce better results in May/June
Does this always work? No, but it seems to succeed more often for coaches like Pop, who have climbed the playoff mountain and know what it takes to reach the summit
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when has it been tried?
"Better, not good, but better." - Herb Brooks
by DucRider on Dec 10, 2009 2:43 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
It's looking like an inevitable experiment.
KP singled out Bayless as one of the players who’s looked good. Maybe the change won’t happen until the team returns to Portland. Maybe a sprained ankle or something is needed as an excuse. But it really looks inevitable now.
ignacio
Of course
They are a perfect fit.
People complain that Bayless isn’t a pure PG, but with a ball-handling 2 like Brandon, you don’t need a pure PG. You need a guy who will make the other team pay if they sag off of him to help on Brandon, and Bayless is developing a good jump shot to go with his ability to take it to the hole.
#52
I love the Bayless bit in the recap.
Jerryd Bayless had a pretty nice 14 minutes offensively, driving hard, creating havoc, and even dishing a couple of assists to go along with his 5 points and 2 boards. He’d be a really nice off-guard if you could pair him with a tall, shooting point guard who could switch to the 2 on defense.
It’s just too bad Steve isn’t taller.
Matt Bouldin would be a solid second-round draft pick.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Nate has a secret twitter account
and Kaleb can keep Demo updated, in the huddles
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Agreed.
It’s not that he’s playing that I object to, it’s just how can he be on the court for 39 minutes, when the team is basically starved for players who can score? In a 20 minute a night role I have zero problem with Steve; he plays OK defense, he’s unselfish, and even on a down year shooting he’s somewhat a threat to hit from distance and he does a lot of little things, but when he’s only able to put up 6 points and 6 assists in 40 minutes something is wrong.
Because everyone feels more comfortable
when it comes down to making a team pick whether to double Roy and risk an open Blake 3, or play Roy straight up and get burned.
This only works if Blake hits, which has happened infrequently this year.
It seems very odd that an NBA coach wants their starting lineup to be 3 deep shooters, one weak-side rebounder, and an ISO player. That’s the kind of thing you do when you have one good guy and a bunch of scrubs.
But I digress.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 9, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, the lumpy kind that come in a box and taste like cardboard
A PER of less than 10.0 makes Blake the equivalent of the really bad instant potatoes from forty years ago when I was a kid.
Bothered me them, bothers me now……
by upper left corner on Dec 10, 2009 4:10 AM PST up reply actions
Oh, god, instant potatoes suck...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Maybe rethinking the lineup would be good right now.
As I’ve adopted Portland as my “2nd team” – that is, I’ll support Portland when they aren’t playing Houston, I’ll offer gratuitous suggestions just like any Blazer fan…
Why not run a unit of Bayless, Miller, Roy, Aldridge, Przy? It wouldn’t work against every team, but in some ways that’s the most talented lineup Portland can run out right now, I think.
You can go to a more traditional lineup if the matchups don’t favor that squad, and then mix and match as players return from injury.
Roy has been pretty adamant about not wanting to play the 3 on either end of the floor, and also control the ball quite a bit
A traditional SF like Webster or if healthy Outlaw or Batum works better for him in his opinion, and the coach seems to agree going back from the three guard lineup. Rudy might be an option on offense, but on defense he is outmatched against any athletic SF.
If Portland is to have a high-scoring sixth man at the wing, it'll need to be a guy with the height and ...
bulk to defend 3s when paired with Brandon Roy. With that said, a two-year, MLE contract — with a non-guaranteed third season — for Mike Miller sounds like a plausible option this summer. Though, in that scenario, Rudy Fernandez would be sent packing elsewhere.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Batum
above all, the Blazer’s SF needs to be able to defend well. I could be wrong, but I don’t recall MMiller being in that category.
Recently, KP said one of his urgent goals is to add a wing defender to the current roster
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I wonder how much Nate and KP
look at Patty Mills and think, “We gave up Ime for YOU?”
Does Patty have a chance to see the floor at this point?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 9, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
It's a bit of "prospectitis" I think.
That is, always shooting for the most upside possible, instead of realizing that some guys are best fitting a particular niche. Like playing physical, athletic D.
I’ve said this a lot. I think Portland has way too many guys who need high usage to be effective. They all have crazy upside, but they all pretty much should also be a #1, #2 or at worst #3 option, if they are ever going to develop. But you’ve got Roy, who would, and should, be the #1 option on all but maybe 3-5 NBA teams. Then you have Aldridge, who has sort of an odd game, but its very effective if you use it properly. And even if he’s possibly not your best #2 option, you’ve just paid him like one.
So that leaves Oden, Rudy, Webster, Bayless, Miller, Outlaw, Batum. All except Outlaw, I guess, really need to get more looks. This is a problem, because with the exception of Oden and Batum, none of them really have any other reason to be on the floor, except for scoring.
I can't believe that Nate was on board with the Mills draft choice
Sure, McMillian saw Patty run circles around the redeem team in Beijing, but what in Nate’s past as a coach would make anyone think that Mills will be given the opportunity to ever run amok in a Blazer uniform?
If he ever gets into a ballgame…Patty will be like Sergio, even though their games are very different. He’ll be a “change of pace” PG that who be yanked and scolded at the first sign of a turnover
Not that I mind…I had enough of tiny guards back in the days of Damon. At the end of the day, who can they defend? The only benefit I see of keeping Mills around is that he can “run the scout team” at practice and simulate the quickness of opposing guards like Brooks, Parker, Nash, etc. But he’ll never actually “become” one of them, not as long as he’s playing for McMillian
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Patty Mills is similar to guys like Chucky Atkins, J.J. Barea, and Mike Wilks. Heck, I'd ...
even take Sergio Rodriguez over Mills. Rodriguez, who’s a pure point guard with definite weaknesses regarding man-to-man defense and consistency at shooting from deep, is still better than a sub-6’0" waterbug who’s shoddy in nearly all aspects of the NBA game. For Mills, his future is in Europe and a guy like J.R. Holden is someone who he ought to model his career after.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I haven't watched enough of him in college to have a final opinion
But going from the Olympics it looks like his absolute upside is Aaron Brooks. And he’s another guy who is more of a scorer than a distributor or defender.
Mills can "stop on a dime and give no change"
as the Schonz used to say, back in the day
Like I said, tiny PGs will get you nowhere—the Stoudamire era should’ve taught Blazer fans this. They’re a matchup liability on defense and rarely win rings. Isiah Thomas and Avery Johnson are the only “exceptions” in the last 20+ years…Rondo has more size and has long arms to defend well
But waterbugs are fun to watch, no wonder Paul Allen likes to acquire them
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Avery Johnson was more like a souped up Brevin Knight or Craig Claxton, which ...
means he was a great distributor and defender in spite of his height disadvantage.
With Isiah Thomas, he’s the ‘80s version of Chris Paul — except Paul > Thomas — which is a rare exception to the NBA rule of big guys making the most impact. That’s a rare, rare thing, though.
Patty Mills, however, is a run-of-the-mill waterbug who won’t make much of an impact on either side of the ball.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Can't put Paul in front of Thomas
Thomas was the dominant player on NCAA and NBA champs. Come back when Paul wins something. Great player, but not better than Zeke.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Dec 10, 2009 5:02 AM PST up reply actions
I agree, even though I'm a Wake alum and would trade half the team (incuding Roy) to get CP3
He’s not better than Isiah…yet. (although I’d argue Paul was pretty dominant in his own right in NCAA) Give him few more years then we’ll talk.
When it's all said and done, Chris Paul will surpass Isiah Thomas in ...
individual accomplishments. Now, with regards to Thomas winning rings with the Detroit Pistons, it was the “Bad Boys” defense that brought those titles to Motown.
Sorry, Thomas, but you weren’t a superstar, but rather a fellow role player — albeit a goddamn good one — like Bill Laimbeer/Dennis Rodman/Joe Dumars, et al. It was a collective effort, pure and simple.
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Yeah, Mike Miller isn't much of a defender — as rebounding is his one good quality on that ...
end of the court — while Nicolas Batum is most assuredly the future at the starting 3 spot here. I, however, am referring to signing a dude next summer as the third wing/sixth man who’s capable of defending 3s whenever he’s paired with Brandon Roy.
To me, signing Miller to the above contract I suggested and trading Rudy Fernandez to a team like the New Jersey for future draft picks — which the Nets have via the Golden State Warriors — is a pair of transactions worth considering next summer.
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Rudy's trade value just got sent to the cellar
Like Travis, he’ll be around PDX longer now than we thought, because KP won’t be able to get equal value in return for either of them until they’re back healthy. Maybe they could be dealt this summer, but I’m not holding my breath because Portland’s front office will just claim that they “still don’t really know what we have, yet” re: Fernandez
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I won't argue that Rudy Fernandez's trade value has taken a hit, as back injuries are ...
prone to being chronic. From an on-court perspective, though, I think that Portland should think about looking for a better fit as a replacement — even if it comes from the upcoming free-agent market — while looking to move him the best available deal next summer.
Even I don’t want a player in return for Fernandez, but rather a future asset(s) of sorts that could be hit or miss. It’s similar to what I wanted for Travis Outlaw this past summer, but that never came to fruition.
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I'm still holding out hope for a Rudy-Rubio deal
but how much chance would Ricky have to shine, playing for Nate? (Or JVG for that matter…)
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Why on earth would you trade Rudy for 10 cents on the dollar?
The thing that needs to happen more than anything is the coach change. Rudy is a very good player already that has thrived in numerous situations. If Roy can’t play the 3 defensively, Roy starts to become the problem. Roy is starting to take on a lot of the characteristics that K*be had during the Shaq departure. Roy isn’t a good enough player to placate for, and that’s just the whole nuts and bolts of it. A healthy Oden is a vastly superior player to build around.
you've gotta be concerned, though
that Rudy’s body can “hold out” for an entire NBA season and post-season, for years to come. Back injuries don’t just magically go away, even after successful surgery". BTW, I’m concerned about Roy’s knees, as well. By the time Greg is in his prime (late 20s) I doubt Brandon will have much tread left on his tires
It’s probably “too early” to be thinking this way if you’re a fan, but not if you’re a GM who wants to emulate the Spur’s 10 year run of success
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We have talent, we need a competent in-game coach to go further
Til then, matching the talent up and having success isn’t a realistic thing. Rudy and Roy together have worked for long periods, it’s the surrounding parts we need.
Injuries are something we’re just going to have to live with on this roster. Rudy, like Batum is too valuable to give up on now, or the near future.
Long Term NBA Championship talent
1. Oden/Roy
2. LMA
3. Batum/Rudy
The other parts either need to develop, or be traded for parts that do fit. Change the coach and Rudy may be an even player than he is shown so far. Who knew Sergio could play as well as he has? I have a feeling Rudy might be the same way if we change our philosophy. Maxing Roy’s ability out doesn’t get us a Championship. Not even close. He needs to just be part of the plan, not it’s everything.
I don't see enough minutes for Roy-Rudy-Batum
no matter who the coach is…unless Rudy is limited in the future to <25 mpg because his body can’t handle the grind…which may well be the case. I think Fernandez has the body for a Euro league schedule, there are too many games and hard fouls for him to thrive in the NBA for long
Besides that, I agree about your “core” … and I think Cnuningham will be a good role player, sort of like a Cliff Robinson. Portland really needs more toughness, though. Greg can’t do it all, and Joel won’t last forever
DeJuan Blair…sigh
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It's hard to think of a guy who would have helped Portland more in this draft.
Blair is exactly the sort of guy Portland needs. Too many greyhounds, not enough bulldogs.
I am tired of the Blair talk. Sure, a lot of us would have loved to seem him as a Blazer… but the majority of the NBA passed on him, so it’s not like we are an exception. I say this as one of the first Blair people on Bedge.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
I wonder if we just took Turner off our draft board
… maybe John Wall too, because he had hurt feelings.
Ben has said that we took Blair off of our board for reasons beyond his health.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
you know, I am intrigued by Turner the more I think about it. We might have a pretty mediocre year and get into the mid teens… getting Turner would be incredible.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
It's a surprisingly deep draft this year.
The injury will surely have some effect, but I doubt he drops out of the top 7 or 8.
with our assets, I feel like we should be able to get to eight from fifteen.
We’ll see, I wouldn’t mind Patrick Patterson.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
cry
KP just failed so hard last year I have a hard time being encouraged about potential moves.
It’s useless to point basic things about team construction out, when the deconstructionist himself (Nate Mc) sits at the helm making in-game decisions.
concerns about eating disorder
that’s my educated guess
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It's not an accusation. It's just the sort of guy I think Portland needs.
The Rockets passed on him too. We took Budinger and Taylor (who barely plays). I whined about it then, too. But we have too many undersized PFs as it is.
I didn’t mean to respond to you in specific. I am just frustrated because (1) I was campaigning for Blair since late 2008 and (2) we have heard second-guessing about not taking Blair for five months now.
I understand that he was a smart pick, I just think that we need to move on from Blair.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
I'd agree with you
if anyone other than the Spurs had drafted DB
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I don't really want to see Mike Miller
on this team long term, but I would love to see him on it in the short term for just this season.
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I'd like to see M&M in lieu of Rudy Fernandez for the 2010-2011 & 2011-2012 seasons.
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I see your sig.
Are you sure you know what you’re asking for when you ask for JVG?
Do you like winning 80-77? Or losing 80-77? Do you just adore one ISO after another? Do you want your high-priced offensive show-ponies yoked to JVG’s defensive grindstone? Do you never want to score off a break? It will happen, I assure you.
He’s probably the best defensive coach in the NBA, and among the worst offensive coaches. Because he hates offense.
Is McMillan the coach to take Portland all the way? Not from what I’ve seen. But if Doc Rivers can do it, so can Nate, I guess. Honestly though, I think Nate seems to have hit a ceiling, and while he’s very solid, he’s very orthodox and unimaginative. I don’t think he’s gotten nearly all there is to get from the talent he’s been handed.
The problem with coaches of young teams
Is that sometimes they need to be replaced so the team can grow beyond the expectations of their coach. It’s not a bash on Nate (whom I love as a turnaround coach), just the way it is in the NBA.
Might be time for a George Karl, Larry Brown mercenary type.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 9, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe so, I like the Thibodeau idea more, really.
Larry Brown brings such a load of… Larry Brown.
Karl seems to have found his spot in Denver, though he could always piss it away.
yeah, many of us agree with your thoughts on Nate
Among many Blazer fans, our utter inability to guard a pick and roll has been frustrating for years. Also, I am of the opinion that Portland needs a coach who will hold Roy and Aldridge accountable for their frequent poor efforts on defense, which Nate never does. I could live with JVG since Nate’s offense isn’t any more imaginative than JVG’s and I at least know we’d play better defense.
#52
i could not live with JVG
just listen to him talk sometime. he’s a total idiot. I don’t think JVG would take this team anywhere. I really don’t see the problem with Nate. I don’t think he is as inexperienced as he’s made out to be. It’s like we’ve forgotten that he did coach before Portland and that Seattle was very good team under him and a very very poor team right after he left. And as for only being able to coach young guys, he seemed to do alright with Ray Allen, Gary Payton and Rashard Lewis when he had them. I guess he has never made it past the conf semis, but I think he’s a damn good coach and most any nba analyst, gm and coach seems to agree.(not to mention coach K)
No Van Gundy isn't an idiot
He’s excitable, and he’s basically goofing off on ESPN. Jackson seems to insist on inane arguments with a guy who knows tons more about basketball strategy than he does, and that makes everyone look bad.
Nate's not a bad coach
but he has never in his career coached a team that ranked in the top 10 in defensive efficiency, and he has showed an inability to adjust his offense to new personnel this year, not to mention an unwillingness to change his rotations to reflect the fact that certain players (ie Steve Blake) are not playing nearly as well as they did last year.
#52
With Nate McMillan, the Seattle SuperSonics had one above average season; that's it.
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I think he has a great record.
look at seattles record the next year with the same roster(35-47 vs 52-30) just minus nate and then watch how he gave us on average 10+ wins over previous seasons. His results have been nothing short of outstanding. Any boss that fires employees who have provided major improvements would be downright foolish.
unless the employee has reached...the Peter Principle
I’m sure you’re familiar with the concept…it’s very possible that the playoffs are Nate’s “level of incompetence” The troubliing question for long-suffering Blazer fans is: how many (hypothetical) years of failure will it take McMillian’s “boss” to realize this?
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We went to the playoffs for the first time last year after a complete rebuild.
You’ve already built an imaginary track record for Nate based on one playoff performance with the second youngest team in the NBA at the time, playing 4 rookies etc. Now he has a team riddled with injuries to two starters, and our two best players off the bench, and we are still above .500. Get some perspective. Nate didn’t walk into a situation where he had much to work with in Portland, and when he did show results, with wins, and the team was poised to move to the next level, we started losing key guys to injury. Also, a chemistry zapping trade for Miller was made that was not anyone’s first choice. Obviously, we needed a forward, not a starting point guard. Or to put it a way that might be easier to understand; we needed another guy who could score, but not at the guard position, where we already have Roy, Rudy, Bayless and Blake. We needed another big, and now that Oden is out it becomes all the more obvious to those who kept saying “Why do we need to use our cap space to get a back up power forward who will only play 12min a game?” Because s__t happens, always, and it happens to bigs more. The team is also lacking a tough guy, who can finish around the basket, whereas we already have a “playmaker” in Roy, negating the need for Miller.
I agree Nate has made some bad calls, but KP not getting a forward this summer, and bringing in a starting PG who is a bad fit has kept this team from having a better year so far. The way players fit together is key to building a roster. Miller’s presence it seems to me has had negative effects on the games of Roy and Blake, not to mention keeping Bayless on the bench. That’s not Miller’s problem, it’s KP’s problem, because the effects of the move were obvious before it was made. A guard who can’t shoot is a bad fit next to Roy. The move also resulted in egg on the face of all involved. I can only hope that the idea was to trade Miller from the start, but it’s unfortunate that the team is off track, and looking like a lame organization mishandling the situation. Here’s to hoping KP can turn Miller’s 7million into a decent PF post player. I think with a more well rounded solidified roster, with a lot less three guard line-up, Nate can get these guys to defend better than we’ve seen so far, especially when Batum comes back, whenever that might be.
by wingzeta on Dec 10, 2009 3:22 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You’ve already built an imaginary track record for Nate based on one playoff performance
Don’t forget Nate’s Seattle playoff record. I expect he’ll get better as he coaches more, but we fans shouldn’t assume he’ll do as well as Adelman has done, and made adjustments to his coaching system as his roster changes.
In Rick’s case, he’s coached 3 NBA teams and tailored his system to his personnel. One of the criticisms of Nate (fair, or not) is that he has a rigid system and the players are plugged into it, sometimes like square pegs in round holes.
Where the rubber hits the road (right now) is Blake-Miller…Steve fits Nate’s system, but Andre hasn’t, so far. So the question needs to be asked: why acquire Dre if he’s not a player that will fit Nate’s system in the first place? (I’ve asked similar questions re: Sergio and Patty Mills) Either there’s a “disconnect” between the scouting department and the coaching staff, or KP is building a roster that can play uptempo and Nate is trying to make a transition to that style. And perhaps Brandon is dragging his feet.
I really have no idea if Nate will ever be a finals-winning head coach. We’ll all find out together, I guess. I do think a slow, grind-it-out style will have better success in the post season than an uptempo-based system, but obviously teams have to play a little of both to have regular-season success. Few coaches win it all, and some (Doc Rivers, etc) have won championships and would be considered by most as having similar experience and skills as Nate. Talent is required, of course, but also the ability to “mold” the talent into a dominating style, and then having the luck to stay healthy and develop team chemistry. Sometimes players “make” coaches as much as coaches “make” players…but the best coaches can beat you with “his’n and your’n” and I don’t put Nate in that category at this point in time
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I thought the roster needed 2 upgrades this summer
I didn’t feel that Blake had a particularly good playoff series against the Rockets, so I was “for” a starting PG to be added that would relegate Steve to the bench. Whether Miller was the best choice is debatable
And I Like you thought Portland needed a better backup PF/C to cover these kinds of injury contingencies. An offseason Outlaw trade with the remaining capspace could’ve made this happen
Sure, hindsight is 20/20, unless you were saying it before the injury dam burst
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Just curious...
who (outside of some Portland media and fans) has said this:
One of the criticisms of Nate (fair, or not) is that he has a rigid system and the players are plugged into it, sometimes like square pegs in round holes.
I’m just not sure I have read that from anyone but our own but do you think this is just our perception alone?
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I can't recall ever seeing an article or column
referened here or on Truehoop that was critical of McMillan. It’s not the people he faces that are critical, it is all those fans behind his back.
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That's kinda what I thought...
Considering how many line-ups we were experimenting with for a while (pre-Oden injury), it looked like Nate was not rigid at all but trying to find something that fit the pieces he had…
Flexibility goes both ways. Players have got to at least try and adapt/learn/accept different roles, positions, styles, sets, abilities, etc. in order to do and/or find out what works best for them and the team. Any true professional (not just athletes) who wants to get the most out of themselves, their boss, their employees, and/or their team will work to achieve that. Whether they sacrifice something for the better end result should not matter if the end result is what truly makes them happy…
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if Doc Rivers can do it, so can Nate, I guess
at this point, I’d rather have Tom Thibodeau than Nate, JVG, Rivers, or just about anyone other than PJack and Pop
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Thibodeau is going to be a hot commodity, I think.
Portland would be a very attractive destination, I’d imagine.
I have this sneaking suspicion
that TT is being held “in reserve” by L*A until PJack is ready to retire
God, I hope I’m wrong. But that would be par for the course. The L*kers have to do well for the NBA to stay in business (and it’s been that way since the ’60s)
Donaghy didn’t start the fire
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Brian Shaw will replace Phil Jackson when he retires.
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that's the working theory
but Shaw could be the heir apparent who’s easily moved aside if Kupchack and Buss have someone “else” in mind
I just find it interesting that a highly-regarded NBA championship assistant coach like TT has never even been interviewed for any head coaching vacancy, or if he has it’s never been widely publicized…heck, even Monty Williams has had one HC interview
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I don't think there's necessarily a conspiracy
when its important that certain teams do well for a sport. Unless rules are bent for them.
I do wonder if the NBA secretly fights the NFL coming back to LA. With no other fall sport (LAC doesn’t count), the Lakers can be way way over the cap and still be the most profitable NBA club.
This is not rare. MLB wants the Yankees to be good, and their economics when combined with any sort of reasonable management, practically guarantee it.
In the NFL, I think it’s important to the league that the Cowboys are a good team. They’d prefer the Redskins be good too.
It’s hard to think of English soccer without Man U being good – and again, the league is stacked so they will be.
I think this is
just a case of ‘the grass is greener’ syndrome. All these coaches have pluses and minuses, but isn’t a bit of a risky bball move firing an extremely successful head coach who has consistently delivered considerable wins over previous seasons in favor of coaches who (statistically) don’t preform any better? (nates never lost 10 in a row to start a season then got fired ala doc) Really PJ and Pop are a few of the only coaches who would make sense (if as blazers fans we didn’t hate them so much) because they do in fact have much better track records than nate. It just does not make sense to me to fire a head coach who has not yet put this team in anything but winning situations.
If the Blazers decide to move on from Nate
I hope they go with Byron Scott, I think he is a very good coach, and could take this team to the next level. I don’t like JVG or any of the other “retired” coaches much, infact I think Nate is a better coach for this team than any of them would be.
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Interesting how you would like to see a guy who has been fired twice ...
… in place of a guy who has never been fired.
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I enjoy a certain style of play, yes. I, without hesitation, will take JVG and his heavy dose of ...
the high pick-and-roll with the 1 and 4, side screen-rolls in a two-man game with the 1 and 5 that also includes the occasoinal give-and-go once the 5 becomes a better passer to a cutting 1, a lot of isos with the 2, kickouts to either the 3 and 1 on broken plays, consistently posting up the 5 on the low block and actually feeding him, et cetera.
Oh, and for what it’s worth, I’ll take a 69-68 win any day of the week. A win is a win, indeed.
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You and Grungedave on the Dreamshake need to get together and praise JVG, raise a glass, or watch some paint dry.
In fact, are you Grungedave in disguise?
I admire much about Van Gundy, but watching his teams in Houston became almost physically painful for me. Also, and maybe this isn’t his fault, but a JVG team always seems to find its roster full of players that no one else would want, at too much money.
As for winning, well, I’d say Houston has done better under Adelman. Much better offense, and (with Yao) about the same D.
Adelman is a heck of a coach. I feel sure that a very substantial segment of Blazer fans, of which I am certainly one, would take him back in a nanosecond.
#52
I can imagine. I'm very happy with him.
Some people call him Coach Sleepy, as he’s not quick with the timeout trigger, sticks too much with rotations etc. But this year, I think his blood is up and he’s really into coaching. This team is a statement about how good a coach he is. 40% of an NBA payroll, and maybe makes the playoffs in the West? That’s impressive.
20 years ago he was known as a player's coach
the feeling was he got/kept his job because he didn’t put any demands (cough, practice) on Drexler
But it’s clear that Rick has evolved, from his Princeton style offense in Sac-town to the overachiveing Rockets last spring, the original Blazer captain (who couldn’t beat out Steve Blake if the two of them were in the same fall camp…) has shown that he can take disparate rosters and consistently reach the playoffs
But will he ever get any closer to “winning it all” than he did with Portland in ’89-92? Doubtful, unless he gets the L*kers job, someday
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He could turn us into Champions within a year
The talent to get it done already resides here. A roster tweak or two, and a coach like Adelman would have us there.
I'd like to think that Houston could do it.
If the surgery for Yao is as successful as it was for Ilgauskas, we could see a lot more of Yao, which is good. Also the Rockets are going to free up $23 million after this year.
The Rockets without Yao or McGrady took the Lakers to 7 games, the only team to remotely challenge them in the playoffs. Don’t buy the Lakers fans dismissing the Rockets, no one goes to a game 7 for fun, or out of laziness.
And our GM really helped put together the powerhouse you see in Boston. So I’m hopeful.
Also, I think Adelman got absolutely jobbed by the NBA with the Kings.
I think Adelman got absolutely jobbed by the NBA with the Kings.
Agreed, that was one of the best interior passing teams I’ve seen since the ‘77 Blazers. Divac and Webber were exceptional. It’s a shame the TV execs drove Stern and the puppet refs to affect the outcome of some of those Kings playoff games
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What do you think of a possible slide with Evan Turner and his injury
ending up here? I’m a go on that front.
Ya... the more talented version of Miller
a do everything, bigger perimeter player that defends, boards, passes, and shoots with proficiency. You don’t have to worry about his fit, because he fits everywhere.
the thing that is impressive to me is his fluidity. He moves really well.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
Definitely
He just has a great feel for the game, and has very good athleticism. His shot is actually better than you think too. He is stuck now creating everything for himself, but he will be a fine catch and shoot guy too.
I like Evan Turner, who's definitely got the ability to be a point forward. Turner reminds me ...
a lot of Joe Johnson. That, however, might not work well next to Brandon Roy, who does insist on his comfortability level being a thing of utmost importance. Then again, Roy does need to be put in his place — albeit more so on defense than offense — but that’s neither here nor there.
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Good to know you haven't cooled your man love for Mr. Miller.
Or is it his mom you’re hot for? I can never keep that straight.
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I've said before,
I think these 1-2-3 roles are somewhat antiquated in todays game. You’ve got three guys who can handle, and four guys who can score. Plus one big lug who sets hard picks without complaint. Surely there are some plans of attack you can draw up for such a lineup?
I guess if Roy won’t do it, you’re sort of stuck, and I wouldn’t do it in games with a SF type he just can’t handle – Melo, Dirk, Durant – but otherwise, I don’t see the harm. Also for your 3g lineup Blake can’t be part of it. He actually is a very traditional distributing PG.
He actually is a very traditional distributing PG.
there doesn’t seem to be as much call for this type of player in the NBA, nowadays
(Steve is secure in Portland, though. Nate, Roy and the GM are solidly in his corner)
But I wish someone with influence would whisper “less is more” (re: Blake) into the ears of Portland’s coaching staff
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Well, it's also a matter of what you have to work with.
The bench is thinned by injury. There is no Oden to score from the center position. In fact, there’s not really a low post scorer at all. So what good is a guy like Blake doing when you could run 3 guys who can all pass, and all score. They don’t need Blake to feed them when they are attacking from the perimeter.
I was thinking more in terms of current coaching philosophy
there aren’t a lot of NBA coaches who would start Blake and play him 30+ mpg. The hand-checking rules are set up for penetrating PGs, not table-setters who pass the ball around the perimeter. OTOH, there are probably quite a few coaches who would appreciate what Steve could do coming off the bench, (George Karl was not happy when Blake left Denver, for instance.)
FWIW, I like what Adelman is doing with Brooks and Lowry, I think Rick would play Miller and Bayless more, if he had Nate’s roster. (BTW, Jerryd reminds me of a young Terry Porter, who was able to play “off” of another Blazer all-star SG, 20 years ago…)
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Terry Porter is a good comp.
Bayless seems a lot smaller, but yeah, it could, should, be quite a good pairing. Everytime I see Bayless he looks pretty electric. Why do you want that guy to sit? Because he turns it over sometimes? How will he learn not to, learn what he can and can’t get away with, if he’s yanked after every single mistake?
It seems like McMillan is suffering from the “back in the day” syndrome. As in “Back in my day if you made one turnover, well, it was off to the ABA for you! And that was after you got beaten with a tire iron by your teamates. No sir, we NEVER had turnovers!”
Blake is not the devil, he’s a very useful player, in the right circumstances. You can’t expect every player to do everything, in every situation.
The most similar starter might be Bibby (in terms of assists, shots he gets assisted on, turnovers, age, etc.)
The trend is clearly more towards PGs that can create for themselves and assist others, which is a weakness for Blake. And as Kelly Dwyer said in his chat today, it’s unfortunate that the PG position seems to be the most loaded one among younger players and we just don’t find our right solution. Or don’t use it.
Well, everyone hates GSW, right?
But honestly, if they’d just play a little, teensy weensy amount of D, they could be awesome.
they tend to turn up the D
whenever Porland rolls into the east bay
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We don't need to hate the GSW
Because Don Nelson dislikes them enough for all of us.
:)
No doubt about that. What has Randolph done to deserve Siberia?
I don’t buy that he’s hurt. How can you let your coach do that? Oh, wait, when he’s your GM too.
you mean having four scoring threats on the floor at once? Pretty sure there is a rule against this.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
No it's legal.
I checked the rule book. I was a little surprised as well.
I mean, if you don’t have any real wing defenders, for whatever reason, why bother pretending?
Xiane, welcome :)
Adopting "Portland as my ‘2nd team’ " is something I’ll take any day from a fan of another team.
It can be educational for us to hear a different perspective. As far as I’m concerned, it’s good to have you around.
-jayfisher
Hey, thanks for that. I like watching Portland play, and this is such a great site.
I’m sort of in awe of it, really.
Plus, I’m lucky enough to get to spend my summers up in Oregon (and not in Houston) – so there’s a connection, too.
That would be great.
Maybe some summer soon Portland will play deep into the summer and I could go. Though I doubt I could get tickets. I’ve just been able to find Deschutes beer here, which I love, but honestly, I love the wine more.
Beer and wine .. you've got great taste!
I agree .. Deschutes Brewery is the best, along with Ninkasi from Eugene. You’ve gotta find a job up here with all the other microbrew and wine drinking young creatives. Of course, it helps up here if you’re just a little “weird.” :)
Not to worry on the weird part.
Though Texas weird is probably a bit different. I haven’t tried Ninkasi yet, I’ll look for it this summer.
Although originally from the PDX area
I have friends in Houston & have spent some time there. There’s a bar in Rice Village – I forget the name of the place, was only there once, but it’s kind of a funky college bar a block or two off the main drag that goes through that part of the city, looks like it was once somebody’s house – that serves microbrews from all over the USA, including the PNW. If you like micros, you might see if you can find it and give it a try. I remember it being only a block or so from a big place that served nothing but hot wings.
MM
"Send lawyers, guns and money; the sh*t has hit the fan." - Warren Zevon
I’m lucky enough to get to spend my summers up in Oregon (and not in Houston)
Man after my heart. I could never understand why NBA players like Clyde and Damon would choose to head south to Houston or ATL in the summer.
It reminds me of the old saw re: mad dogs and Englishmen…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Well, the winter is generally nice. Kind of like LA.
Also, it’s just odd, I’ve traveled a fair bit, and there’s something about that blast of heat and humidity on the jetway that says “home”. Though I’ll probably give it up anyway, if I can manage a move.
Houston’s motto should be “Not as bad as you think.” I like where I live, which is right in the middle of town, and is easy to get around, and much of what’s everything interesting is nearby. That said, I like what Portland is doing about sprawl and mass transit more.
what typos?
my eyes are getting too tired to notice
You can keep the humidity…there’s nothing like overcast and drizzle to native Oregonians. I guess it’s all about what you’re “used” to…but NW summers make the 6 month rainy season all worthwhile
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Couldn't agree more.
I love the summers in the NW. Not just the weather: the fresh food, long days, and how happy everyone seems to be to get some sunshine.
I will give you four reasons...
1. N
2. A
3. T
4. E
Why not run a unit of Bayless, Miller, Roy, Aldridge, Przy?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
That's the best Portland lineup, given the players the Blazers have still healthy...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Given the way Webster is playing....
I’m OK with that lineup. Problem is that Roy don’t want to play the 3…
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That’s been happening to me a lot lately, too.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I just don't under stand Blake
So many times I see him dribble into the lo post and instead of doing a layup he will pass way out to someone (unfortunately usually Webster) and they will miss a 3 pointer. Either that or he will dribble into the lo post and dribble all the way back out and make a bad pass.
If he is going to penetrate he needs to try and draw contact and take a shot. I never see him on the foul line.. It’s just way beyond old.
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
I've made this comment before, but
Steve penetrates and “retreats” like a short kid who got his lay-ups blocked (a lot) in grade school
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Andre needs Blake's current minutes, Bayless needs Andre's current minutes, and Blake needs Bayless's current minutes.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 9, 2009 10:36 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That's about right!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Dave
It looks like you have a misplaced “strong” tag (the HTML ‘b’ tag for ‘bold’) somewhere and it is throwing your layout off and making everything bold underneath your recap.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
Looking at the HTML source, it looks like it’s right after the text that says “Click through for Individual Observations, Final Thoughts, Links, and the Jersey Contest” and there seems to be a ill-formatted [b/] — replace [ and ] with < and >. Hope that makes sense!
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
Fixed
I’m not sure how that happened. It didn’t look that way in my original. But sure enough, when I deleted the strong tag it fixed all of the comments too. Thanks.
And it’s good to see you.
—Dave
I'm always around
Just don’t have that much time to post online.
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
Now all front-page stories below this recap are in bold
Go figure. Must be another tag floating around.
Looks like there still is a rogue strong tag after the "Click through" text just before the separator
Founder of the "Crash Batumcoot" Movement.
Tried to fix it
Didn’t work. We have a call in to tech support. It was almost certainly a site issue to begin with. Maybe they can help.
—Dave
as a long time blake lover
I do have to somewhat agree with alot of you. I don’t think blake is as horrific as some people like to make him out to be, but it is a little ridiculous he’s getting near 40 minutes when j-bay and miller are sitting. It must have to do with comfort. This team has been uncomfortable all season and he brings us back to a time when we preformed much better. Really, our stars don’t play well with bayless and miller so I think that’s chiefly the reason blake is getting so much time. hopefully they start clicking soon (like tonight) and we will start to see a transition to more balanced pt at the guard spot.
While I'm really vocal about Blake's minutes
I do respect him, and he’s been a really important player these last two years. Works his butt off and he’s a good guy. But he should be playing about 15 mpg.
Dude is a backup PG
That should be his primary role. He’s solid, unspectacular and can do what he does. Unlike Miller or Bayless, both of whom can do different and creative things.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
agreed
I think 15-20 depending on miller and bayless’ production is the right amount of time. He really should be a role player instead of a heavily leaned on starter.
I'm just glad
nobody got hurt…
#52. Get well soon.
by Eat Politicians on Dec 9, 2009 11:29 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Shucks, Dave just fixed the bold font!
Now typing feels a little deflated. :)
Thank you , Nate
39 minutes for Blake, what a joke!?
I believe Mr. McMillan is still in Portland.
He’s not the guy determining minutes and substitution patterns.
hakkaa päälle !
Seriously, you don't think that has anything to do with Nate?
If Nate can call plays from the bench, he can strongly influence minutes from Portland.
#52
Just because a lot of people believe something doesn't make it so.
There are a lot of people who believe there was a 2nd gunman on the grassy knoll and that the Air Force has the wreckage and bdies from a UFO crash hidden away in storage somewhere. All that means is they are gullible. Same thing here. The fact that there are a lot of fans at BE who believe they know more about how the Blazers should be managed then Nate does is not proof that they actually do.
Here are two scenerios:
Dean Demonopolis is coaching strictly according to a script written by Nate. No variation.
Demonopolis, with 20+ years of coaching experience, sees the same things that Nate sees and runs his rotations accordingly.
Now it is poosible that the first is true. But that would at the very least imply that McMillan does not trust his lead assistant. Do you really believe Demonopolis would even be a member of Nate’s staff if this was the case? All one has to do is apply some basic common sense. On top of that, it sounds highly impractical for a coach to try to manage a game from his office or living room just by watching it on tv. I know a lot of people here think that’s a piece of cake, but that’s more an indictment of their naietivity than a representation of the real world.
So, if I am going to exhibit said common sense, that then leads to the next possible conclusion – that Steve Blake as the starting point guard is in the best interests of Portland winning games.
hakkaa päälle !
Watching the game tonight
It’s interesting to watch how Prizbilla plays on offense that allows Roy and LA to have access to the paint. He sets a pick at the foul line usually for Roy. Then he kinda floats at the top of the post till a shot go’s up and will crash the board for a rebound. This keeps the post pretty clear and they can run a lot easier. Joel sets picks really effectively and Brandon uses them a lot. Joel isn’t there to really score, just to set picks and grab the rebound or do a put back. Sometimes he will get a pass but doesn’t have the hands that Oden has and sometimes has trouble finishing. When Greg gets back I don’t see any reason why he couldn’t do the same thing when they wanted to go to LA or ROY. And on plays when they wanted Greg involved he could either pick and roll(which they seem to never do right) Or get a inlet pass down low. It would be really great if Oden developed 10-12 ft jumpshot that he could use a threat to keep people on him if he left the paint.That also would help clear out the congestion and make driving the lane easier.
Anywho just kinda thinking out loud :)
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
by slim503 on Dec 10, 2009 3:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
very thoughtful analysis, slim
I agree with most of your analysis. The one worry is I don’t know that I want Greg to start depending on his jump shot. (I’m actually not that worried, because I don’t think Greg is that kind of away from the basket center.) But it’s also worth thinking about the fact that Greg does not play like Joel is what makes him Greg Oden. Brandon, LA, and Nate need to learn to play with Greg without making Greg into Joel. Anyway, I think what you say is worth thinking about more. Thanks.
Good observation. REC
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Good point
I noticed that as well last night. One problem is that Greg and/or Roy set the pick too high (beyond the foul line) and often Roy shrugs those high picks off and goes the other way. I am not sure if that is a Roy problem, a Greg problem, or a coaching problem but it drives me crazy when a guy works hard to set a pick multiple time only for Roy to not use them or when he does not reward the guy rolling when he’s open. Roy does seem to get it to Joel more often but is that because it is a foul line pick not an extended pick?
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Yeah
I know what your talking about. I think in those circumstances its a pick by Greg that is not really where Brandon would feel comfortable pick and popping as it is further away. Gregs picks are still a little lacking and not as crisp as Joels.
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
But someone is calling the play, right?
Why are they calling for the extended pick in Greg’s case and the foul line pick in Joel’s case? What is the advantage in the extended pick and why is Greg used for it more than Joel? Personally, I’d want Greg as close to the basket as possible (thus the foul line pick) since he ain’t shooting jumpers. The extended pick seems more appropriate for LMA because he can hit the jumper from there… or by gosh maybe even pass to a cutting (non-injured) Greg across the lane!
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Dave, not sure why you bother with game recaps (other than the fact I enjoy them).
As is obvious rom the comments, regular season games mean nothing. Blazers lose and they get castigated. Blazers win and they still get castigated. You were correct in saying that no matter what happened on this road trip, McMillan was in a no win situation. The team wins and people are calling for his replacement, blaming him for Steve Blake getting 39 minutes. I guess this shows how stupid I am. Here I’m figuring that Coach Dean is determining minutes and substitution patterns during this trip, and all along it’s Nate on a cell phone (or laptop) calling every move. Guess that shows how much I know.
hakkaa päälle !
Dean isn't going to change Nate's rotation
A 5-game interim head coach doesn’t swap the starting point guard who’s gotten 35 minutes/game all season for the bench dweller who’s gotten 5-10 minutes or DNP-CDs all season. Don’t you think a move like that would be Nate’s call, whether he’s on the bench or not?
IT’S ALL NATE’S FAULT.
I will acknowledge that it is kind of funny that Nate’s taking flack even when he’s out on the mend, but Blake needs to be permanently benched. It makes no sense to play him right now.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Demonopolis is unlikely to make whole sale changes ...
… but to argue that he’s coaching by rote, only mirroring what McMillan would do sounds like a case of allowing your own bias’s and filters overwhelm common sense.
Demonopolis is Nate’s lead assistant. You really believe that he either can’t or won’t adjust minutes based on what he is seeing during the game? Do you believe he’s so afraid for his job that he’d be willing to trot out players so as to keep Nate happy, even if he thought it might cost Portland the game?
This is exactly why I have repeatedly remarked on how little sense it makes for fans to act like they are extremely knowledge and then think the opinions they form based on that knowledge has any bearing in the real world. If you thought Bayless was smoking hot and Blake was sucking it up, would you not base playing time on that verses what Nate might think? If so, then why assume that Demonopolis would? Unless you believe that he sucks just as much as Nate.
hakkaa päälle !
He's pretty fierce looking...
but I’m not sure he’s a Demon!
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This game was both encouraging and discouraging
Roy decided to check back into the 2009-10 season for the second time in three games. That’s VERY encouraging.
But the Blazers got absolutely obliterated on the glass without Greg. Unfortunately Przy can’t play the whole game, and unfortunately Howard rebounds like a 36-year-old point guard. Some of the offensive boards he gave up were comical. He can’t block out and he can’t elevate. That’s a bad combination.
This is going to become a dominant theme of the season. Howard was a bad signing by Pritchard and it’s coming back to bite him in a big way this year now that Oden’s down. Even somebody like Ike would be a huge upgrade.
You know who the Blazers could really use right now? Cough, cough, Dejuan Blair, cough cough….
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
From the Indy game, I think we learned:
1. Roy is a superstar. Wait…you already knew that? My bad. Wait…you didn’t know that? Shame on you!
2. LMA can get his shot on lesser bigs who don’t want to push him around.
3. Indy bigs = dumb for not pushing LMA around.
4. KP and the coaches are not on the same page about PG minutes. KP seemed very excited about seeing J-Bay get minutes in the interview he did on Monday. VERY. He mentioned it three times. J-Bay plays 19 minutes—-Blake plays 39. Hmmmm.
As an aside: when Patty gets back, 40% of the Blazer ‘healthy’ roster (4 of 10) will be B level and/or unproven point guards. Yay!
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 10, 2009 10:49 AM PST reply actions
Cleveland
There’s a chance that Blazers could defeat the Cavaliers, the Cavaliers have been stumbling a bit lately.
However, to win, Blazers would have to play inspired ball.
I watched Memphis defeat the Cavaliers the other day. Now that was what I would call inspired basketball.
Unfortunately, the Blazers have shown very little inspiration in any of their recent games.
They won’t be able to sleepwalk their way to victory, that I guarantee.
shock therapy
KP and company have been so focused the last couple years on piling up more talent onto the team.
Maybe what the team nees now to awaken it from its stupor is for the Blazers to GET RID of someone.
For example maybe just dump Blake and put Bayless in his place, come hell or high water.
And don’t be afraid of losing games on account of experimenting. One thing I am convinced of is that if they stick with the status quo they are going to lose one hell of a lot of games this season.
playing time
39 minutes for Blake, what a joke!?
Well, I guess you need all sorts of role players. Rebounders, scorers, shot blockers, playmakers. And, of course, snoozers.

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