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Game 21 Recap: Blazers Win Game, Lose Oden

Game 21 Recap:  Blazers Win Game, Lose Oden

This isn't going to be your standard recap.  The Blazers won the game by a point behind some late-game heroics by Brandon Roy, some stellar rebounding by Joel Przybilla and LaMarcus Aldridge, and some great play from point guards Andre Miller and Jerryd Bayless.  You can see the Boxscore here.    I was watching the game on Tivo and to be honest I fast forwarded a bunch after the first quarter, because...

The news of the night, as reported here earlier, is that Greg Oden went down early in the game with a fractured left knee and is likely out for the season.  The play itself looked innocuous.  Oden half-brushed Aaron Brooks midair while swinging over to help cut off Brooks' penetration.  Unfortunately the bulk of the brushing happened knee to knee.  When Oden came down he immediately fell to the court and went fetal.  Both sets of trainers and soon after doctors rushed to his aid.  He went out on a stretcher.  He'll require surgery.

So...the win was great, but let's deal with this.  What does this mean to the Blazers?

Obviously this takes a huge bite out of the Blazers' depth, defense, and rebounding.  With Oden and Travis Outlaw out you're going to see Joel Przybilla and LaMarcus Aldridge handling a ton of pressure defensively.  One of the near-constants of the season has been the perimeter players relying on the big guys to mitigate their mistakes.  Now they simply can't afford it.  Joel is a fine defender but the price for the strategy is fouls.  Spend a couple fouls on Przybilla now and you're stuck in a small lineup involuntarily for huge chunks of the game.  That's a huge difference from the voluntary small lineup.  Long story short, we're about to see how good or bad the Blazers guards really are defensively.  They're going to have to man up.

Here's another blow:  From the start of the season Oden provided an often-unnoticed intimidation factor in the lane.  You can't go so far as to say that opponents were scared to go in there, but they were definitely looking over their shoulders after the first block or two in a game.  Nobody likes to get capped.  Nobody likes to be used as an example of why Greg Oden is a beast.  You saw players putting up different shots when Oden was in the game.  Right here, right now, every opposing coach and scout is circling the painted area on the chalkboard and saying, "Drive against this team."   It was already raining a little.  Now there's going to be a hurricane.  The Blazers have managed to cover most drivers this season but even while doing so they've given up open jumpers.  Unless something changes they're going to have to work harder just to stop the layups.  That may spell disaster against any team that can shoot.

The rebounding aspect is just as scary.  As much as we wanted Oden to get more touches on offense the team wasn't trending that way.  They telegraphed it a little tonight even, setting up Aldridge clearly in the first quarter and keeping Greg away from the basket in order to leave space for LaMarcus to work.  Offensive rebounding, however, has been a huge threat and has provided extra points to a team desperately in need of them.  Nobody you put on the floor is going to be as dangerous of an offensive rebounder as Greg.  That takes potential points away.  It also lets the opponent relax a little more, maybe allowing them to think about running out instead of crashing the boards.

Straight up:  this is a loss that extends well beyond anything that shows up in the boxscore under Oden's stat line.  But you probably don't need me to tell you that.

Some will posit that the Blazers only need to go back to last year's outlook which featured Oden less, as he was either injured or playing limited minutes most nights.  It's not that simple.  Yes, part of the turmoil this season has been adjusting to Greg's presence and his effect on the game.  But everybody from the coaches who designed the plays to the players who suffered the most disruption went into this year planning on Oden being there.  When you're depending on something you don't just switch gears when it's unexpectedly taken away.  Players got used to certain things with Greg on the court.  They're going to continue expecting those things until the shock wears off.  If the Blazers had a week to practice I'd say they could compensate pretty easily.  But they're going to have to do it on the fly.  There's going to be no set pattern or easy answers for doing so.

Here's the good news:  this team has always played better when it's been the underdog facing adversity.  Whenever you thought the Blazers were dead and buried in the last couple of years they bounced back and ran off a winning streak.  I'm halfway expecting the same to occur here in the short run.  I think you're going to see a ton of energy out of everybody still in uniform, especially from guys who heretofore haven't had the chance to utilize their talents to the fullest.  We already saw it tonight out of Miller and Bayless.  That's going to continue, at least on this road trip.  I don't think you're going to see a radical plummet in the next week or two.  Maybe you won't see any difference at all from what we expected.  We could even see better results for a while.  The real test is going to come in January, February, the dog days, the run for the playoffs.  Over time these things tend to even out.  Other teams adjust and exploit.  They'll have no pity for the Blazers' situation.  The guys who are new to them in the next couple of weeks will have been completely scouted and accounted for.  And those guys won't be exerting that special energy anymore.  At that point we're going to see what this team is really made of.  It's not an impossible task to still have a really nice season, but it just got a lot harder.

A couple of notes to end with...

First, one of the clearest signs that came out of this incident was conveyed when teammates gathered around Greg as he was wheeled off the court.  Not everybody came, as that wouldn't have been appropriate or possible at that point, but the main guys were there, including and especially Brandon Roy.  The vibe there wasn't clinical.  Nor was it, "Oh geez, what are we going to do without you?"  It looked like a bunch of older brothers offering encouragement to a younger brother...a much beloved one.  You know these guys have been struggling with adjustments.  But you also know they realize what Greg means to them as a team.  We saw tonight that beyond that, they want him as a teammate as well.

Second, I'm simply going to echo that from a fan's perspective.  I wish Greg a speedy recovery and my heart reaches out to him as a human being, just as his teammates did tonight.  Somewhere inside me that Rose Garden chant of "Oden! Oden!" that we heard tonight as he left the floor still reverberates.  I think that will be reaching out to him from most of us in the coming months.  If he never played another minute I'd be better off as a Blazer fan for having had the chance to participate in that chant.   That's what my heart says.

And I know my heart is bleeding into my head as I say the following, but that doesn't mean my head is totally divorced from the equation.  I am still overjoyed Greg Oden is a Portland Trail Blazer.  In fact were I the owner or GM of this team visiting him the very first thing I'd say is, "I am glad we picked you and if we had to make the pick all over again I would choose the same way."  I don't expect Oklahoma Thunder fans to look at it that way.  Heck, I don't expect anyone in the whole rest of the league to look at it that way tonight.  I get that.  I know all of the reasons it makes sense.  But that makes sense for you.  For me, and I believe for the Blazers, Oden is still the right guy.  I would not want anyone else.  I've been watching this game for a long time.  I've been through the 62 stages of early fandom and have managed to come through passion intact but also, I hope, with a pretty good sense of distinguishing truth from wishes, that which is solid from that which is just convenient and noisy.  Greg has shown me something.  Even as raw as he is, even as little as we've seen of him compared to what we'd wish, his presence on the court is unique among his teammates and has the potential to be unique in this league.  More to the point, for the Blazers he has the potential to do something that a scoring small forward, speedy point guard, or burly power forward does not:  decisively fill--nay, overflow--a hole that potentially stands between us and a championship.  If Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge weren't already on this team I might not be saying that.  If we didn't have a glut of scoring forwards and guards besides I might not be saying that.  If I didn't have faith that management will eventually settle the point guard position I might not be saying that.  But when push comes to shove the guy in the middle is still the hardest to find and a guy with the potential to bend the game like Oden does is all but impossible to find.  Other players would make this team better right now.  But I'm not as confident that other players would end up being the potential championship piece for this team in this situation that Greg Oden could be.

Take whoever you want.  Make whatever comparisons you want.  Give me #52.  Then talk to me in a decade and let's see who came out ahead.  Greg was quoted by the Blazers, saying, "I'm obviously disappointed having worked so hard to get to where I was. This is a setback, but I'll be back."  And we'll be cheering for you:  now, then, and after. 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

P.S.  Jersey Contest scores here.  Enter Monday's game form right here.  Just put "0" for the Oden question and offer well-wishes as you do so.

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Brokenhearted

Thoughts only with Greg and his future tonight. I sure hope he can stay upbeat and come back strong next year.

by travis13 on Dec 5, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed

As Greg lay on the court and for a long time thereafter, my thoughts were solely with him. I felt bad for him, personally. I wasn’t thinking about the team. There are very few players out there who would elicit the same response. Greg is the most likable human being who has worn a Blazer uniform in a long time. Earnest. Hard-working. Funny. Warm-hearted. It’s just difficult to put into words how terribly I feel for him.

www.blazerguy.com

by Blazer Guy on Dec 5, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions  

So with you on this, Dave. Thank you.
I am still overjoyed Greg Oden is a Portland Trail Blazer. In fact were I the owner or GM of this team visiting him the very first thing I’d say is, “I am glad we picked you and if we had to make the pick all over again I would choose the same way.”

by travis13 on Dec 5, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Me too

Thank you, Dave, for finally putting words in a long paragraph exactly what I feel about Oden’s place in Blazerdom — both in terms of heads and hearts. I wouldn’t pick differently either.

by SkyDave on Dec 5, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions  

OD-EN. OD-EN. OD-EN. OD-EN. OD-EN. OD-EN. OD-EN. OD-EN.OD-EN. OD-EN.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 10:44 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Just got home

The good news was that was the first time all year I’ve sen the players show the heart they did last season.

If Miller isn’t starting after tonight though, I don’t know what to say.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 10:45 PM PST reply actions  

And...

If Bayless isn’t his backup, I don’t know what to say.

by travis13 on Dec 5, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

J Bay is awesome.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller played that third quarter for Greg.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I wanted to make a sign

That said “Win it for #52”.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

ditto

I thought the same thing when I watched him at the RG…..those two are brothers….

by debra31098 on Dec 5, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Brandon Roy

Is officially a rocket killer.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 10:46 PM PST reply actions  

Win it for Greg.

Let’s make the playoffs. Let’s kick some tail.

Let’s not stop with the Oden chants until he’s lifting the trophy above his head.

Long live Rip City.

by wilsonpdx on Dec 5, 2009 10:48 PM PST reply actions  

#52

oden, oden, oden, oden, ODEN, ODEN, ODEN, ODEN, ODEN, ODEN, ODEN, ODEN

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 5, 2009 10:51 PM PST reply actions  

Simmons was right about one thing

We think of Oden as our child, even those of us without kids. When he hurts, we hurt, when he bleeds, we bleed.

LONG LIVE GO!

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 10:52 PM PST reply actions   4 recs

Rec'd a 100 times

Oden wears his emotions on his sleeve. He was a native son from the moment we drafted him. I feel so much for him right now. I could not be at the game or watch it, but I am so glad to read about the chant.

O-DEN O-DEN O-DEN!!!

by Dodoh on Dec 6, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

miller and roy can coexist

after a lacklustre first half and first 3 minutes of the 3rd quarter we got a taste of yet another version of miller and roy. miller comes in after houston scored first 9 of the 3rd and answers with 16 pts for the rest of the quarter. roy dominates the 4th quarter, with miller on the court.

bayless provided invaluable energy, and pryzbilla a decent defensive and rebounding effort. if this game doesn’t show miller and roy need to start and spend 30 minutes on the court together nothing ever will. will macmillian see it that way, or will he just say that blake saved the game again.

by utahcoyote on Dec 5, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

Heartwarming Dave, but the truth is......

That we do not have a championship window, Oden will probably be a bust, and we will have to watch Kevin Durant crush the league for the next 15 years. It is what it is. You kind of get used to it when you root for the Blazers. This latest injury basically casts an ENORMOUS cloud of doubt over the next ten years for this team.

It sounds heartless and reactionary, but the time for rationalizing what keeps happening to this franchise and hoping that an injury prone center will lead us to the promise land is over. Our team isnt as good as many blazer fans think, and I would radically change our plans for the future.

I hope Oden comes back, but it seems a mute point at this stage of the game. The guy cant stay on the court and will probably be a shell of the athlete that he was coming out of Ohio State. The worst part is that he has no offensive game to compensate for his declining athletecism. Tough break. I wish I knew why this keeps happening.

I will continue to always root for this team, but we can probably curb the championship chatter until the Blazers figure out a new plan, because the Oden era is a pipe dream in my opinion.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Dec 5, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions  

I think he meant that GO's offensive game is dependant

on his athleticism, not on skills or a pure jump shot. Like some guys can lose a lot of athleticism through injury but still retain a lot of their effectiveness because of their textbook fall away or whatever. It’s kind of a fair point, although not 100% true.

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's a new plan

Go root for the Oklahoma City Thunder instead.

I’m with Dave. I will always believe.

by BlazerTag on Dec 5, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

have fun with that

At some point, its ok to embrace the pain and move on. I’m a Bengals, Ducks, and Blazers fan. Accepting the pain builds character.

11 and 8 is not dominating people. Brook Lopez and Marc Gasol schooled him.

Oden HAD the size and athletecism to be a force in this league, but injuries are retarding his progress to the point that talking about his potential just looks sad right now.

Can he still come back and be a player? Possibly, and I definitely hope so.

But the on draft day 2007, we took the wrong guy and will pay for it. I love Greg, and was ecsatic when we picked him, but the truth hurts.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

If we had picked the "other guy"

I have no doubt he would be occupying Travis’ spot on the IR this year…

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously, this is the wrong night to say this. Oden’s PER of 23, great stats in every advanced metric, league-leading block rate…. he wasn’t getting schooled by Lopez and Gasol, Pryz was.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

advanced metrics

dont take into account that he fouls like a man posessed and cant stay on the court.

Oden is was our starting center when Lopez went off for 32 and 14 and Gasol did 20 & 10.

Its pointless to cast his stats over 36 or 48 minutes when he can only play 20 minutes a night.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Dec 5, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

if you inspect the gamelogs, much of the stats that the other centers were putting up were against Joel.

His fouls have diminished over the last few weeks, gradually.

he can only play 20 minutes a night.

This is false as he has been playing more than that as of lat.e

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

everyone is aware that Lopez and Gasol are more productive because of Oden's foul trouble.

Its clear that you are being too harsh on Greg though— Oden was a dominant force when on the court this seasons.

I, like you, am pessimistic about him being the player we need him to be— healthy and on the court for big minutes— but let’s give him credit for his outstanding play this season.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 5, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

KD wont ever win a championship

Book it.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

He's Kevin Garnett

A very good player who will never win a title with his original team.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, are we really talking bad about Oden after tonight?

You don’t have to agree with us about how good Oden is, but why don’t you wait a few days to tell us about it.

by Coastie07 on Dec 6, 2009 1:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd -- Let's take a holiday from the Oden-is-a-Bust thread, PLEASE

Derftron, now is not the time. Fans and Oden are hurting right now.

Dave writing in the present tense, as if Oden can come back, is the only human thing to do right now.

And look, Greg was beasting this year. No doubt about it.

People forget, this would have been his senior year at Ohio State. He was right on track, as far as I’m concerned.

It is not clear yet, but it appears this injury is going to have not just a season-ending, but a career-altering impact. Let’s just let it settle for a while before we start analysis, please. Analysis takes time and a level head.

by Dodoh on Dec 6, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Domination goes beyond stats

and nobody can see the future.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The pain you feel ...

… is coming from beating your head against the wall.

Try stopping and the pain should go away.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 6, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Oden has had the weirdest, freakiest, unrelated injuries. Let’s give the kid a break and recognize how dominant he was this year.,

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

a series of weird, freaky, unrelated injuries

is what we mean when we talk about players being injury prone. Injury prone players don’t necessarily hurt the same bone or joint or whatever every time, often their physiques are simply fundamentally unsuited for the grind of professional basketball. It’s starting to look like Oden might fit in that category.

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

no, injury-prone is Bill Walton having bad feet.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Oden's knees???

How is this not injury prone? The guy is hurting his knees doing regular basketball movements and getting up from the couch.

Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge

by Derftron on Dec 5, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

refer to my lower comment.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

getting up from the couch.

Greg’s right knee m/f surgery was due to a mishap at Big Al’s, in Vancouver

(The restaurant’s employees were told not to divulge this info)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 7, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

That's a pretty specific application of the term.

Athletes like Walton or Big Z who have a fundamental problem with a particular portion of their physiques that keep them from plying their trades are one kind of injury prone. Guys like Michael Redd that have had every different injury under the sun are another kind of injury prone. You seem to be arguing that Oden is the latter, but so what?

You’re putting a lot of faith in tweets between Simmons and one of his pals. I looked at the replay and it looked like Greg hurt himself before he even bumped Brooks. Someone who blows out their knee just by jumping is pretty much the definition of “injury prone”.

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

injury-prone is Bill Walton having bad feet.

Or Sam Bowie fracturing his tibias

The rest of the Blazers will have to “wait” for Greg to rehab, again. The thing that concerns me the most is that with each passing game, the “odometer” is clicking on Roy’s knees. By the time the big 3 all are back “together” again and finally mesh as a unit, the Blazer’s “window” will be a shorter duration, due to natural wear and tear on #7

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 7, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Another month, another setback

but nothing will ever curb my desire to continue the championship chatter.

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh

We disagree. I’m sure you’re not the only person who will say that I’m making up what I want to see. But I don’t usually do that, though I doubt I’m completely immune. I also have a pretty good track record when it comes to being right about things people say I’m wrong about because of emotion or bias. So I’m comfortable. Assuming this goes as advertised, Greg’s probably got a decade left at least. That’s a long time. He’s going to be better than you paint.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

In dark moments I think that too

I would give a lot to have Durant and Lopez right now. Then again who knows what will happen to them. I really really like Greg, he just needs to be on the floor and for reasons outside of his own ability he can’t make that happen. He was the one guy who I wanted to get 2000+ minutes this year no matter if it results in wins or losses. If only for his psyche and reputation that is now again under gigantic pressure.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I like greg

but I don’t love him the way folks in Portland seem to. I wonder if it’s geographic (I’m a portland exile in Warriors country now).

Anyways, I’ve been trying to persuade myself that the silver lining here is that people might wake up and remember that this is still Brandon freakin Roy’s team, and Brandon freakin Roy led our team to 54 wins last year, not LMA, not GO, Brandon freakin second team All NBA Roy.

Maybe now folks will stop complaining about our best player needing and wanting the ball in his hands.

by howlingfantods on Dec 6, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

if this team ever wins a title-- looking more unlikely after tonight-- it will be on Oden's shoulders as much or more than Roy's.

He has been our best player this year, and its not even been all that close.

Roy will get back to his ‘08-’09 play and be a joy to watch again but won’t have this year to work with Oden and develop and on-court relationship.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 6, 2009 12:15 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I suppose. I liked how he's been playing

but I haven’t been thrilled about how much his presence has been damaging Roy’s and LMA’s games. I dunno, I think he needed to be integrating his game to Roy’s, not the other way around, but fans and coaches seemed to be expecting the opposite. Which strikes me as maybe one of the root causes of the chemistry problems we’ve been witnessing this season.

I dunno, it’s one of the reasons I’ve been kind of avoiding this place and other blazers forums that I used to hang out at. It bothered me that we could turn against a terrific player like Roy so quickly.

by howlingfantods on Dec 6, 2009 12:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Championship teams usually mold their teams around their center.

That’s how they become champions. Unless Roy is Jordan and Aldridge is Pippen.

by Coastie07 on Dec 6, 2009 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Because the Lakers were molded

around Bynum and fell apart without him in last year’s playoffs? Were the Celts in 08 molded around Kendrick Perkins?

by howlingfantods on Dec 6, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Exceptions are fun aren't they?

You really want to go over history and see the percentage of champions that went through their center? I think the center position is pretty proven to be by far the most important when going for a ring. As for your “exceptions” though, didn’t Boston have Garnett and LA have Gasol? One is a future hall of famer and the other an All-star at center, whose addition is what made their teams champions. Wonder why.

by Coastie07 on Dec 6, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

So F=C according to your argument?

Because that’s what Pau and KG are. Pau gets forced to play C in smallball lineups the same way LMA does, but he’s a natural PF.

Sure, let’s go through history, starting from post-merger. There are 23 post-merger titles (a good historical dividing line since the game radically changed both in rules and styles). Let’s go with Finals MVP to determine who the teams were built around. Not 100% accurate but close enough – good arguments could be made about Moses in 83, Magic in 80, Shaq in 02, Parker in 07, but whatever.

Year, Champion, Finals MVP
1977, Portland Trail Blazers, B. Walton – C
1978, Washington Bullets, W. Unseld – C
1979, Seattle Supersonics, D. Johnson – G
1980, Los Angeles Lakers, M. Johnson – G
1981, Boston Celtics, C. Maxwell – F
1982, Los Angeles Lakers, M. Johnson – G
1983, Philadelphia 76ers, M. Malone – C
1984, Boston Celtics, L. Bird – F
1985, Los Angeles Lakers, K. Abdul-Jabbar – C
1986, Boston Celtics, L. Bird – F
1987, Los Angeles Lakers, M. Johnson – G
1988, Los Angeles Lakers, J. Worthy – F
1989, Detroit Pistons, J. Dumars – G
1990, Detroit Pistons, I. Thomas – G
1991, Chicago Bulls, M. Jordan – G
1992, Chicago Bulls, M. Jordan – G
1993, Chicago Bulls, M. Jordan – G
1994, Houston Rockets, H. Olajuwon – C
1995, Houston Rockets, H. Olajuwon – C
1996, Chicago Bulls, M. Jordan – G
1997, Chicago Bulls, M. Jordan – G
1998, Chicago Bulls, M. Jordan – G
1999, San Antonio Spurs, T. Duncan – F
2000, Los Angeles Lakers, S. O’Neal – C
2001, Los Angeles Lakers, S. O’Neal – C
2002, Los Angeles Lakers, S. O’Neal – C
2003, San Antonio Spurs, T. Duncan – F
2004, Detroit Pistons, C. Billups – G
2005, San Antonio Spurs, T. Duncan – F
2006, Miami Heat, D. Wade – G
2007, San Antonio Spurs, T. Parker – G
2008, Boston Celtics, P. Pierce – F
2009, Los Angeles Lakers, K. Bryant – G

That’s 9 Centers who have been finals MVPs out of 23. You could stretch it to 12 by calling Tim Duncan a C in disguise.

The conventional wisdom about building around centers is a surprisingly persistent holdover from the days of Mikan, Russell, and Wilt. Between 1984 to today, there has been a grand total of one center who has entered the draft who has won a title as the central building block of their team, Shaquille O’Neal. Two if you call Duncan a C. Waiting around believing your team can’t go anywhere without a mythical C savior is simply unrealistic and unproductive.

by howlingfantods on Dec 6, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sold on Durant.

Yeah he’s great on the offense, but his D is pretty sad. He’ll put up some career numbers, but I don’t see a champion yet. If you look at his team too, they haven’t improved record wise since he got there either. They will be good, but again I don’t see a champion. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see it. As for Greg, I definitely see a champion. Oden has champion written all over his game and hopefully his health will allow everyone to see it.

by Coastie07 on Dec 6, 2009 1:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I bet you are a blast at parties.

And the dogs in the neighborhood probably miss you. They never had it so good as in days when your mom sent you out of the house with a porkchop tied around your neck.

Athletes get hurt all the time. Sometimes the injuries are career ending, but more often than not these days, the player comes back. As for Greg, I don’t believe his injury is career ending.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 6, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

On the plus side

That was as gutsy a win as I have ever seen this team pull out. They could have quit many times but they did not.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions  

I have to say 1 thing

If miller is not starting the next game, somebody please call 911 to come and cart me off my couch because im a have a heart attack if Blake is in the starting 5….

by bayboi on Dec 5, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions  

No kidding

I’m going to get a concussion from Steve Blake-induced slaps to my forehead.

Blake definitely has a role on this team, but I think he’s best suited as a bench player.

by BlazerTag on Dec 5, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Blake is the guy

who gets traded to land a journeyman big to keep the bench warm.

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 5, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll have that heart attack if Blake continues to be the guy who is in for defense for the last 3 possessions

And got burned by the quick guy each time off picks or just straight 1 on 1. That last shot by Brooks could have fallen just as easy as Roy’s could not have. And the previous possession, he couldn’t get a fairly easy rebound. Bayless was grabbing stuff from big guys above rim level in the 4th for crying out loud! At least have him in as a better rebounder to grab bounces when his guy misses the shot.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I may not be the “Start Miller! Trade Blake!” guy, but Bayless showed me again tonight that he is part of the future of this team and needs to play no matter what.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm that guy tho

with oden’s injury, the only way this season will end up being considered successful is great developments on the batum and bayless front. and since batum still has 3 more months, lets get the jbay train rolling

by gotyourselfastew on Dec 5, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

can't believe Canzano tweeted:

“Oden out – pass the beer nuts”

As always, Mr Canzano is keeping it classy.

by itsnotcomcastic on Dec 5, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions  

He did?

Okay he really did, well screw you John, I now officially hate you instead of simply think you a dumbass.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, what a Cheney that guy is.

The best way to make your displeasure felt is to not read his column or listen to his show.

Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.

by Badalona Baddie on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Little known fact:

Salt from beer nuts helps keep infection out of knee fractures.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

plus beer is a good cure for depression

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Sadly

not so great for recovery

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course

nothing is more synonymous with “classy” than “twitter”

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions  

He stepped over the line

This city loves Greg Oden and we will not put up with Canzanos Crap anymore. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out of Rip City John

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 5, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Bill Simmons is right about one thing, as I say above, Oden is like our child. We will defend him for life.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Eh. I was early on the "hate canzano" bandwagon

but I think all he meant by the “beer nuts” thing was it’s time for heavy drinkin. As in time to grieve. As in what we’re all doing right now (I’m on my third double whiskey since the injury).

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't even know what beer nuts are.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 6, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I had a bizarre premonition and feel awful about it.

I was at home a few minutes after the game started. Having heard earlier that Rudy was out, and mistakenly believing Aldridge wasn’t available, I thought to myself as I crossed the room to turn on the radio, “Man, when it rains it pours. What’s next? Greg blows out his other knee?”

Literally five seconds after turning on the radio I hear the play where the injury happened. I was stunned, a pit in my stomach and almost in tears, because I could tell from Wheels and Antonio’s reaction that this was bad, really bad. I don’t know if anybody else heard this, but Wheels’s voice cracked when he mentioned the standing ovation Oden was receiving, then clearly muted his mic for about 15 seconds to collect himself. This organization truly is like a family.

Terrible though this is, the season continues and I’m really glad our guys dug down deep and pulled out this win. And I hope that Dean Demopoulous tells Nate, “Oh yeah, Steve Blake’s starting on the road trip, no problem,” and then starts Andre. It is past time. And Jay Bay was a real shot in the arm tonight. He deserves real minutes, preferably at Blake’s expense.

One other thing: help is coming. Pendergraph will be back soon to add a little frontline depth. And I gotta believe KP is working the phones to find a way to add reinforcements (N. Collison? Turiaf?).

My heart goes to Oden and his teammates. And damn that weird premonition!

Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.

by Badalona Baddie on Dec 5, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

Thanks Dave.

After some short-sighted and “I-told-you-so” remarks from both national and local media, you once again write an elegant and thoughtful piece.

Rational thought in the media is a lost concept these days and its pieces like this that remind why I love Blazer’s Edge in the first place.

It’s the finest sports coverage in the state.

Wondering what moves Pritchard would make to land me a date in the off-season. Preferably one with tickets.

by MikeIrish on Dec 5, 2009 11:04 PM PST reply actions  

Well....

Upset. Sad. Wish I could pinch myself about now. Well I think about the Rockets and how their big man went down? I really do wonder if the people in Houston call him a bust? I agree with you Dave.

by DaraBlazer on Dec 5, 2009 11:05 PM PST reply actions  

Some very positive news. Bill Simmons tweeted his friend, Will Carroll, an expert in sports injuries. his reply.

@sportsguy33 Its not bad career wise. Dumb luck injury and fx heal. Not related in any way to microfx. Just bad luck.
@sportsguy33 If someone hits you like that in a pickup game, same injury.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 PM PST reply actions  

I too was relieved.

One of my cousins broke a kneecap playing soccer. Another tore his ACL playing hoops. The soccer-playing cousin recovered and returned a lot faster.

Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.

by Badalona Baddie on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

KP2 also referred to Carroll, and said the closest historical comparison he could come up with was Jarvis Hayes (Wizards)

Missed the whole season, but played all games except 1 the following.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Jarvis also went from being a moderately promising young player

to being waived and bouncing around the league as a benchwarmer in the years after the knee problems. Not exactly the most comforting historical example.

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

more comforting than “jarvis never played again.”

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

? I'm not sure what you're saying.

are you saying Bynum might be a better historical analog? My impression is that a dislocated knee is pretty different from a fractured patella, and that’s why Pelton was looking around for a pro baller who had a fractured patella.

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Not that different, the fracture just adds to the severity

The pictures show that he dislocated his patella.
The fracture is most likely an impaction fracture of the patella on the lateral femoral condyle, unless the dislocation caused the medial portion of the patella to shear-off. The surgery will likely be done to repair his medial patellofemoral ligament and/or open reduction internal fixation of any boney fragments.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

That was supposed to be a quote from someone with more medical experience

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

As a Ducks fan, I can no longer root for Brooks

After he tried to scalp Bayless tonight.

I was so glad he missed the last shot.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:06 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I think reparations are in order

We’ll take Brooks. Then they can go in peace.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

That was possibly one of the worst end of game plays I've seen

Really Aaron, you’re going straight to the hole with only 3 seconds left. Dumbass.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know

he probably noticed that Blake was “guarding” him, and figured the odds were good that he would have no obstacles between himself and the easy lay-up

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but that's not AB's game

Never has been.

He should have played for his shot as he always has.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

it looks like

blake got his hand on the ball as brooks was trying to scoop it up. Hard to tell from the video, but I think he done good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYTuH_ygHCI 9:38

by jervil on Dec 6, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

With no ill will towards Portland at all

you’re going to see a lot more stuff like that if you guys start playing Bayless more. The Rockets absolutely don’t have a reputation as a “headhunter” team. I’ve NEVER seen Brooks do anything like that. Not saying it’s right, but the fun continued with Lowry and the common link was Bayless. It’s good to have someone who stands up for himself, but a team like Denver will plant him.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions  

this team needs that right now.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Me either

And I’ve watched him since HS.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Funny, because I see Lowry as a guy who has no breaks. Same with Bayless too though, probably.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd distinguish it a little.

One is, Lowry isn’t a big talker. I’ve not seen anyone get angry at Lowry, annoyed – yes – not angry.

He mainly goes for contact on the offensive end, and that usually ends up with him on the ground, with a foul call.

I’m not trying to be jerky, just saying it was surprising from Brooks, and that makes me look at the other person more – and what I saw makes me think he’s going to end up hurt, in the 5th row. Maybe he was just upset tonight.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless did absolutely nothing to retaliate

Just stood up, dusted himself off, and canned the free throws. That kid is fearless.

I have seen Aaron Brooks attack people on the court before. I’m an Oregon Ducks fan and still remember his shameful attack on a Washington Husky during his Junior year in the pac-10 tourney.

by BlazerTag on Dec 5, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You've clearly seen more of his games, at least early on, than I have.

As a Rocket, Brooks has not really had a problem with anyone, that I’ve seen anyway.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I was at the game tonight

I had a perfect view of the play. Brooks made a play on the ball, but followed through on Bayless’s face. The flagrant was warranted, neither team got heated, and the game went on.

by BlazerTag on Dec 5, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Not disputing the call at all. It was the right call.

There was a good bit of chippiness later, with Bayless and Lowry.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, maybe so.

I wouldn’t want to throw down with either one. But Lowry is scary. It’s like Polamalu running point. I’ve seen him take rebounds from PFs and Cs routinely.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, it wasn't that play I was referring to.

But it could all be a perspective thing. I think he sat down when he was tending out of control on his fouls, then came back.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha

I remember that. He busted Appleby’s nose

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't mean to speak on Lowry's character, just on that he only has go-go-go speed and has problems pacing

Bayless got that too. Or Jennings. A number of the young PGs.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt about that.

And Lowry, more than any guy since I’ve seen since early Iverson, absolutely thrives on contact. He’s a pest.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

by the way, Bayless and Oden are best pals. So this probably hit Bayless pretty hard tonight.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 5, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Brooks had to sit a couple out a couple of games his senior year

I think he threw a punch at a Husky player during the Pac-10 tourney his junior year. The suspension carried over.

by BlazerTag on Dec 5, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions  

To be fair

He did it to a Husky, that’s Oregon’s mortal enemy. No but it was bad.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey now

Huskies would prefer to avoid inter-Pac 10 pugilism…

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

For the record

ONce they are no longer Huskies, they are cool, see Roy.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Seen his Nike commercial?

He’s still got a little purple and gold in him.

by jigglyai on Dec 6, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Arizza is a jackass

He blindsided Rudy last year with the Lakers. Which is whY I was glad he played like crap today.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

That actually might be good for the Blazers

They need to be challenged like that and have to fight (hopefully not literally, but still) for what they want. It’s a lesson they need to learn before getting into a situation where it both happens often and matters much, a.k.a. the more serious playoff rounds. If Portland ever does get there they’re going to have to deal with all kinds of physicality, including that kind.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

After the Rudy foul last year vs. the LAkers

They started to play hard and kick ass.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

No doubt.

Someone above mentioned trying to land Turiaf, and I think he’s just the sort of guy Portland needs, and has needed.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

I’m just concerned that KP has nothing left to offer that the Warriors (or any other team) would be interested in. Portland’s roster is already stretched too thin to make a 1 for 1 deal, because the Blazer player that’s sent away would weaken the team in another area

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 7, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I’ve NEVER seen Brooks do anything like that.

Wasn’t it Brooks that elbowed a guy in college? Or am I thinking of a different Duck guard?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 7, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

FWIW, I thought Brooks

was legitimately trying to swipe at the ball (he just missed it by a few inches) and didn’t reckon with Bayless’s head being in his follow through path. It didn’t look malicious to me.

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Malicious or not

Flagrant 1 was the right call.

by BlazerTag on Dec 5, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I thought so too. Just don't agree with the folks

who are all mad about it. It’s basketball, man, I remember the good old days when everyone streaking for a layup would be laid out much worse than Bayless was, and much more intentionally, and that was just considered good defense.

by howlingfantods on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

After tonight

I am NOT in a forgiving mood.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions  

On the plus sdie

He totally choked on the game winning shot. That makes up a bit.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah rather sloppy

but when i watched the replay of that too i was like whoa close..kinda

by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 6, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

The only one worse

I’ve seen in person is KG airballing a game winning shot against us in the 2006-07 home opener (I think it was then, could have been a year earlier).

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Didn't Nate's sworn nemesis

Gilbert Arenas toss up a laughable airball of a game-loser against us a few years ago?

by jigglyai on Dec 6, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Yup

Its my third best Blazer finish I’ve seen in person. #2 was tonight and #1 was last year’s Roy miracle vs. Houston.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

it must be somethin against houston!

yeahhh literally overall nice comeback for the blazers n way to win it for oden!
roy is definitely the man n showed his true potential as a superstar

by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 6, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm 0-1 against the Lakers (infamous game on 2/29/00)

0-2 against the Griz for some reason.
3-1 against the Mavs.
7-1 against the Rockets (game 1 of last years playoffs)
Undefeated attending games against all other opponents.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 3:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Aaron Brooks has always been a scumbag, which is something Ryan Appleby could tell you.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 6, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Dave--as always, well put.

Boy am I bummed or what. Greg is my favorite player. I hope he gets well soon, we need the big fella. Get well soon GO! Your the best bro! What a loss for this team and also what a rash of injuries like Ive never seen before-EVER! Even Nate our coach is unjured!What the Heck is going on?! Even though we won, we lost! I still think we can regroup, but the chances our good that we could be this years New Orleans.

Keepin the faith in CJ
Peace

The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

Roy for MVP

If there was ever a time to start playing like it, this is it. A good start tonight.

I believe because Roy is still the man.

by Pooh Richardson on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions  

Everyone watching the game knew he was getting it

And he canned it, time and time again.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy has never not been the man on this team

I’ve been pretty astonished at people’s reactions over the last couple of months in the midst of the adjustments the team has been making. Many mountains made out of molehills. Brandon will be the heart of this team for as long as he’s a Blazer. He’ll also be the first option for the last shot as long as he’s a Blazer.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No but this was the first time all year I think we can say

He showed the heart and grit he showed last year.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Part of it also

is that the Blazers made a conscious effort to keep the lane clear, at least if the rest of the game followed the early pattern. Clearer lanes = better Brandon.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

But I really, really, really wish that the other side of that equation didn’t have to make an appearance…No Greg = Clearer lanes

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Doesn't have to be that way though

They need better execution and they can have both.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree completely

and am really saddened that we have to wait a year to see it in action.

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Might be longer

One of the chief complaints of the season was that adjustments were going slowly. They’ll have to adjust again. Hopefully this trial run will make things go smoother next time, but they didn’t seem to have it solved when Oden went down, so…

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 5, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing

that being a Blazer fan for decades has taught me is to be patient…somehow we will come around again.

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

They’ll have to adjust again. Hopefully this trial run will make things go smoother next time, but they didn’t seem to have it solved when Oden went down

Now Brandon/Nate have 60+ more games to make sure their ISO offense is “ingrained”

It’s hard to spin this as a positive re: the championship development of the big 3

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by two4larue on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

As a guy who watches Yao

I can say that isn’t necessarily the case. And Houstons not an undisciplined team.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course - there was a last second circus shot to make against the Rockets. :)

He should spread the wealth to other teams. Rockets don’t need any more.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I was really impressed tonight

Roy made certain in his postgame interview with Harlow that the praise was on Millers 3rd qtr and that the focus should be on Greg.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

good to hear

about time Brandon give Andre some kudos….especially when they were due…Andre was A HUGE reason we were even in the game with a chance to win…

by debra31098 on Dec 5, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Unless we are in Memphis and Outlaw is playing.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 6, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I was at the game

I got to participate in the “Oden!” chant in unison with the rest of the Rose Garden. Chilling.

I also participated in the scattered volley of “Oh Sh!t”s that preceded it.

The worst part of the whole scene was watching Greg’s eyes well up, but he was too proud to cry. At that moment I wanted to climb to the top of Mt. Hood and shout his name to the heavens.

Get well. Get better. Know that we believe, big fella.

by BlazerTag on Dec 5, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Me too

I felt almost numb tonight. I wanted to be happy we won but I almost couldn’t be.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, you guys were going to feel terrible anyway

so did you really need to pull out another last second Roy special?

Anyhow, it’s late, and this is a terrible break for poor Greg Oden, but Portland should be ok. If the Rockets can contend for a playoff spot without 60% of its payroll, you can too. At least you have your two big money guys. Or, you know, you can get another #1 pick… I’m joking of course, but seriously, all is not lost for your season.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes we did

I think I might be blacked out on the floor right now drunk if we had lost this game.

Brandon Roy, Rocket killer.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He can team up with Jason Freaking Terry

and the two of them would probably win 2 on 5.

by Xiane on Dec 5, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He's the equivilent of Barbosa on us

I swear to God, Leandro Barbosa just kicks our ass nearly every time.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Mayo is so much younger than Nash or Finley.

He could replace them – with the added pain of it being the Grizzlies. Not that I don’t just adore Dallas or anything ;)

(Seriously though, the Mavs, until the last two games, looked amazing.)

by Xiane on Dec 6, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Can we make a card?

A get well Card would be awesome.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:16 PM PST reply actions  

I've been thinking about doing one of my planned Blazer paintings, and considering which to go with.

After tonight, I’m sure it’s going to be Greg. If anyone wants to get behind it and help make sure the end result ends up in his hands, that’d be great too.

by zaruga on Dec 6, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

On a plus side

I must say I love the 70s unis.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:16 PM PST reply actions  

If at all I'm starting to believe in the Blazers big men curse

Walton, Bowie, Sabonis, Oden, ughhhh. This franchise should really draft some small players. But when it does, they break their feet.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 5, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, it seems that the Blazers should try to trade

their original draft picks on draft night or shortly thereafter as that slightly improves their chance of staying healthy. Somehow that move tricks the curse.

Drafted by Blazers:
Oden
Webster
Mills
Outlaw
Pendegraph (trade made before pick)
Cunningham (?)

Traded on draft night or Free Agent:
Aldridge
Roy
Miller
Blake
Przbilla
Bayless
Fernandez
Batum

by PoliSam on Dec 6, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, we actually moved down to take Webster

Had we stayed in our spot, we would likely taken Chris Freakin’ Paul. (I am told that Freakin’ is his actual middle name)

by xedubx on Dec 6, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

The only good thing about that might be

Top lottery pick, but it would never be worth it.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Call FEMA

the Blazers would definitely qualify for disaster relief at that point

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I needed that…..the first laugh I’ve had in since about 7:30 this evening

by debra31098 on Dec 5, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Glad to be of service

Laughter is, after all, the best medicine. Hope someone is around Greg to help keep his spirits up.

by jigglyai on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t believe in curses

I believe the politically correct term is “snakebit”

The past few months has been like going through the spring of 1978, all over again

the only luck the Blazer have right now is buzzard’s luck

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 7, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I still think this is a playoff team

Possibly even second round.

Does it suck, heck yes, but yes we can.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:44 PM PST reply actions  

Im with you

A lot of parts are missing but this team is only a couple healthy players and a commitment to defense away from the second round

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on matchups

If SA doesn’t hit that miracle shot last year, who among us doesn’t think we beat SA or New Orleans in the first round last year?

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Then again

I couldnt’ see the Ducks winning the Pac-10 after Boise. I believe in miracles.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions  

It wouldn't be a complete miracle

Our starters are very solid, our bench is solid, and our gameplan is solid

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

But you never know

Did we think they’d win 54 last year? No but they did.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh I know

Blazers are going 61-0 the rest of the way!

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

My attitude

Assume the best is possible until it no longer is.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 6, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't sell the team short

You’re forgetting the extra 16 game winning streak after that…

by jigglyai on Dec 6, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Hey Oden went down in my 2k10 season

We still won the title that year.

If I can win it on a video game, we can too.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the great thing about video games

a ready source for eternal optimism. On the other hand, sometimes they make you believe that you are the greatest coach/GM who ever lived…

by jigglyai on Dec 6, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Example #1

I just won the title in ’My Player" mode in 2k10 with the Knicks my rookie year. Swear to god, I became a combination of Roy and Miller in the payoffs. I hit five game winning shots in a row.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

When I get frustrated at the offensive woes

of my PS3 Blazers, I look around real quick, and quietly nudge the 3-pointer accuracy slider up a bit…

by jigglyai on Dec 6, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I did that in a game vs. the Lakers last night

I was losing by 3 with 5 seconds left. Bumped the slider up and miracle of miracles Brandon Roy hit a banker 3 to send me to OT>

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Possibly even second round.

This is only if the team’s luck changes and the dice roll the “right” way from now going forward

It’s nice to think about, but I wouldn’t bet that way

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 7, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Thank God for Brandon Roy

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by skywaker9 on Dec 5, 2009 11:53 PM PST reply actions  

Small correction Dave

Brooks and Oden didn’t collide to cause the injury. It looked like it happened on liftoff for Greg.

by jamon51 on Dec 6, 2009 12:00 AM PST reply actions  

I was at the game...

a beer vendor in my section immediatley began to shout “Bowie. Bowie…” as Greg lay writhing on the ground. I reflexively shouted a profanity at him and even almost came out of my seat to clock him. He got in my face about the expletive and as I told him, the Bowie reference is more like a profanity than what I said… Bottom line, it has no place in this scenerio and I really wish people would grow up and…wait, who am I kidding?

Greg is an amazing young man and athlete who deserves whatever respect and admiration he earns on his own merits. His injuries notwithstanding, he is an important part of this team, this year and into the future. Comparisons to past players, drafted or not, are like comparing the best meal you think you ever had with the best meal someone else thinks they ever had…pointless. (not a great analogy but the best I could come up with at the moment…)

Get well soon Greg; if anyone can do it, you can, and will…

by balladofgregoden on Dec 6, 2009 12:00 AM PST reply actions  

Did you catch his badge number?

Seriously, I’d report that guy to the Blazers. Deserves a reprimand I should think.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

You'd be surprised

Some of those are hired by outside contractors. They just hire anyone with a pulse and a liquor selling permit.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

He might not for much longer

I am Spartacus and I approved this message

by EngineerScotty on Dec 6, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Well shoot

another of my naive preconceptions gets shot down.

by jigglyai on Dec 6, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Its a minnimum wage job (plus tips)

With uneven crappy hours. You have to deal with drunk fans all the time, its not a career.

The only exception is the Peanut vendor at Safeco Field in Seatlte who specializes in big throws. He banked a bag of peanuts off my head and into my alp totally intentionally at a game I went to this summer.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

The positive image of the game for me is Miller

Just before Roy hit the last shot, Miller was sitting on the table during our timeout. Without flinching he got up calmly, and threw the ball in without skipping a beat.

Even in the heat of battle, it was clear he was in his element.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions  

agree

Andre was the only reason Brandon was able to win the game for us….period….

by debra31098 on Dec 6, 2009 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry, but I can't even think about the basketball ramifications of this tonight.

I’m am seriously bummed out right now. Seeing another Blazer franchise center, another really nice kid, go down with another non-contact season ending injury, once again laying on the floor holding his leg in pain, was a nightmare I’ve already experienced too many times in the past.

I’ve seen the careers of two other great and potentially great Blazer centers seriously damaged by a series of inexplicable injuries. I just hope that Greg can fully recover and eventually achieve his potential … for his sake.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 6, 2009 12:17 AM PST reply actions  

The Blazers' post-huddle chant of "together"

Seemed more true tonight than it has since last season.

Watching the team rally to overcome difficult odds, and thrive as underdogs is part of this team’s identity. The teams of two and three seasons ago were great to watch as a Blazer fan, even when the wins came with a lot of tough losses. Watching this season’s high expectations crumple in a 7 foot pile on the court was nothing but awful, and there’s no way around it. You could almost hear everyone’s collective playoff ambitions get sucked out of the Rose Garden tonight. But In a way— and if it can keep up— I’m looking forward to seeing that old Blazer underdog personality come back again this season.

Dave’s comment about sustaining that energy after the next two weeks is a good one. It’s definitely going to take some consistent effort. I guess at this point you could point to anything and everything, but a big, big factor feels like it’s going to involve rebounds. With the every-possession-counts MacMillan offense, replacing Oden’s contributions in that area is much harder than replacing the offense, and where is it going to come from? Tonight we saw a lot of Miller and even Blake trying to box out larger players. But the 3 guard lineup sideshow, minus Oden, is going to look like even more of a massacre against teams larger than the Rockets. Which last I checked is about the entire league. Guys like Webster are going to have to step up on the boards, for a start. Maybe Dante in more stretches, too.

But really, it feels like it’s pretty much going to take the entire team doing some serious overachieving. The good news? Not too long ago that was just their style. I like their chances.

What a night. Sheesh.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 6, 2009 12:20 AM PST reply actions  

And we have two games to get it right

NY and Indy before the showdown with LeBron and Co.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 6, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

We took the Chevy Cavaliers into overtime on their home floor last year with no Aldridge on the court, and short minutes from Oden. LeBron, ShmeBron: It’ll be time to finish the job.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 6, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions  

#52

We love you, big guy.
You’ll eat them alive next year.

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by Y5k on Dec 6, 2009 12:40 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Dave I completely agree with your thoughts on Greg. Well said indeed

He will be back and better than ever. God bless Greg and get well soon!!

by 1nbafanatic on Dec 6, 2009 12:42 AM PST reply actions  

Just wanted to say thanks to Blazersedge, Dave and Ben

For All of the Updates throughout the evening on Oden’s injury and the Media coverage.
 
This is by far the Best Blazers website and all your hard work does not go unnoticed

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 6, 2009 2:12 AM PST reply actions  

Part of being a fan is loyalty,

and loyalty means you stick with the players and the team even when things go wrong. I’ll leave it there. Such isn’t automatic, just because the player plays here — I never felt much loyalty to Rasheed or Bonzi or Damon or Zach — but when you invest in someone irrationally — that is, emotionally — then you’re there, you’re loyal, end of story, too bad for those incapable of such a thing.

This doesn’t doesn’t mean “blindly loyal” precisely, but it does mean loyal. When such loyalty is repaid by great achievement it’s awfully sweet. The frontrunners experience a kind of different satisfaction.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 6, 2009 3:07 AM PST reply actions  

my condolence

to greg oden…tough situation but i believe he will be allright and come back stronger physically and mentally.

AD

by 72_chiefs on Dec 6, 2009 4:56 AM PST reply actions  

Journeymen Bigs?

Just got home from seeing an SK Knights game in Seoul, South Korea. Samaki Walker is roughing it over here for the Knights, who are currently sitting at 7th in a 10 team league. So you know, if the Blazers need a journeyman big to warm the pines…

by iCollective on Dec 6, 2009 6:04 AM PST reply actions  

Yea Oden's right knee was the one that brushed brooks

and he broke his left knee cap. i think he just planted it awkwardly. u gotta make fast herky jerky moves when you are playing basketball especially being a shot blocker and being such a large one.

by GOGrampas on Dec 6, 2009 10:56 AM PST reply actions  

Sorry for you guys

from STR

So imitate the action of the tiger!.
Lend the eye a terrible aspect
- and teach them how to war!
Henry V iii

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