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The Nate McMillan Saga Continues...


There has been numerous posts/comments about whether or not Nate McMillan is the coach that can take the Blazers to the land of championships and parades. There is the “Fire Nate Now” camp, the “Nate Deserves a Chance” camp, the “I Believe Nate is our Coach” camp, as well as everything in between. It nothing personal against Nate, but  I am fairly entrenched in the “Fire Nate Now” camp and have been for the past couple of years.

This post explains why...

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Before I delve into why I think McMillan is not the man for the job, I must first share with you what I believe the role of a head coach on a professional basketball team should be. The head coach is, first and foremost, the TRUE leader of the team. A coach defines the players’ roles and creates the identity of the team and, with the aid of his assistants (and if he’s smart) the players, the coach will design what he determines to be the best offensive game plan/defensive schemes for the team, getting everyone (coaches and players) to take a vested interest in seeing the team succeed and ownership for its success. A coach should focus on maximizing the strengths of the team and minimizing its weaknesses. Players, such as Kobe Bryant, Dwayne Wade, Lebron James, and even Brandon Roy all have the title, “leader of the team” and they play a significant part in ensuring that their respective team attains it goals, but make no mistakes about it, the head coach is, and always will be, the TRUE leader of the team.

Basketball is a game of strategy. A more nuanced game of chess. Every team has its players (the pieces) and every team has a coach (the strategist). One aspect of a coach’s job is to understand the pieces (players) at his disposal and the skills they employ. He must then maximize their potential as quickly and efficiently as possible, creating the most outstanding team he can.

As a coach, and a strategist, you must understand your player’s strengths and weaknesses and how to properly employ them. In my opinion, Nate McMillan has not been able to do this effectively, neither on nor off the court. In my eyes, there are two distinct areas in this sport of basketball. The on-the court area (game mechanics, strategies, schemes, plays, execution, etc.) and the off-the-court area (team philosophy, vision, mindsets, player’s acceptance of their roles, team building, etc.)

On the court, McMillan has done quite a bit to show me that he is not up to the challenge of leading this team to a championship. In the beginning, I gave Nate the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes I’d question his decisions, but I trusted that he saw something I didn’t. I don’t feel that way anymore. He has made too many bad decisions for too long for it to go unnoticed.

Nate has shown to be inflexible with his starting line-ups and unimaginative with his game-time strategies. He is not adept at making smart, in-game decisions (as evidenced by his questionable substitution patterns) and he has even shown an inability to fix a conspicuous, long-standing problem the team has had for some time now. (How many inbound plays have we seen turn into timeouts over the years?)

I will limit my discussion of McMillan’s on-the-court deficiencies in this post, because there are plenty of other posts out there on the subject and I want to really focus on the off-the-court issues, which I think are more indicative of McMillan’s inability to coach this team. We’ll start with...

THE ANDRE MILLER SITUATION

Miller is a proven, up-tempo point guard that runs the fast break well and is more than capable of running a team, especially on the offensive end. Over the summer, Andre Miller, Nate McMillan and Kevin Pritchard had a magical dinner where they shared their spritzers and talked about how to improve the team. According to the media, the meeting was a smashing success and shortly thereafter, Miller signed with the Blazers; many thinking that the Blazers had made a shrewd and savvy move.

In my opinion, this is an instance where McMillan failed as a coach. Miller apparently envisioned himself coming to Portland as the starting point guard and could see himself taking this team all the way to the promise land right from the get go. McMillan, on the other hand, seemed to think Miller would be better suited coming off the bench with the second unit.

Whether you think that Miller should start or come off the bench is irrelevant. Whether you think Miller is in the wrong or not is irrelevant as well. Nate McMillan is the coach of the team, and as I stated above, the coach is the TRUE leader of the team and it's his responsibility to lead his team.

McMillan’s lack of communication with Miller is where he failed as a coach. He omitted (whether it was intentional or not doesn’t really matter) vital information (that being Miller’s role on the team) in his initial conversations with Andre Miller and, in doing so, destroyed their relationship before it ever even started. Sure, Miller is culpable for some of the fallout, but the ultimate responsibility rests squarely on Nate McMillan’s shoulders, he is the coach after all.

If Nate was honest with Miller from the outset, explaining his vision of the team and how he saw Miller’s role on it and then took the time to ask how Miller envisioned himself on the team, the two could have come to an agreement on his role before any contract was signed. This would have, at a minimum, ensured a much higher rate of success regarding the Miller/McMillan relationship and ultimately benefited the team. In this scenario, Miller either agrees with his (clearly defined) role on the team beforehand and everything is great in the world, or Miller walks away and we are stuck with the same team that won 54 games last year. Either won is acceptable in my book.

Instead, Nate decided that it was neither important enough to clearly define Miller’s role on the team before signing him nor ensure that both he and Miller understood and agreed upon Miller’s role before signing him. By doing this, Nate has lost the trust of Andre Miller and has therefore damaged the team.

Next up we have...

THE BRANDON ROY DRAMEDY

Brandon Roy had positioned himself to be the face of the franchise. The “Man” of the team...until now. There is a beast called Greg Oden that is growing up before our eyes and his very presence has altered everything around him on the basketball court. You know it, I know it, everyone else is seeing glimpses of it. There was a reason he went number one in the draft (and Roy and Aldridge did not). Oden is becoming what I secretly hoped he would...UNSTOPPABLE, on both offense and on defense. He is quickly becoming the “game changer” of the league. He’s not there yet (he's only 21!), and there is no guarantee that he will ever get there, but so far he is looking very promising and he has more potential than anyone else in the league to be next “most dominant ever”.

The by-product of Oden’s evolution? The supplanting of Brandon Roy as the “Man” in the Rose City. This is another area where I feel Nate McMillan has failed his team. As the coach, your job is to ensure that Oden’s evolution and Roy’s transition go smoothly, for the betterment of the team. Unfortunately, by all accounts so far, it doesn’t appear to be happening. In fact, at the worst, this could end up being another Kobe/Shaq situation, only this time Kobe (Roy) is the incumbent superstar. The coach needs to recognize that changes in the landscape are coming and ensure that everyone remembers to keep their focus on the ultimate goal. The route may change a bit, or a lot, but the destination never does.

Lately, we have been hearing that Nate is holding meetings with “The Big 3” and that is great - hopefully we will see tangible results on the basketball court. Because right now, our reigning superstar, Brandon Roy, is apparently confused as to what his role is on this team is?!?! There is only one reason for this. It is because Nate McMillan has not been doing his job, he is clearly not communicating with Roy and now Roy is suffering for it. This is not on Roy, he's 25 years old, he is not the 45 year old NBA veteran player and coach with the insight. McMillan is (right?).

I’m not saying that these growing pains weren’t expected, but what I find really disturbing are the comments I’ve been hearing from McMillan and Roy. As the coach you should make sure your team understands the team is focused on achieving its ultimate goal and that right now is nothing more than a transitional period. The coach has to explain that the reason the roles for the players have not been clearly defined is because the coaching staff needs to really see what everyone is capable of, especially with so many new weapons (e.g. Miller, Webster, Oden, Bayless, and even Cunningham) at their disposal. They need to experiment and see how they all work together. If the players were made aware of the coaching staff’s plan (whatever it may be) from the beginning, they would probably be much more willing to buy into the coach’s game plan from the start.

If this plan was clearly expressed, you would possibly hear a response from Brandon Roy (when asked about his role on the team) like, “Right now we are just trying out some new things with the team. We’ve added Dre, Martell is back, and Greg has improved a lot.  We have so many weapons that we are experimenting a bit. We can try so many things, so many different line-ups, and we have to find the best fit for everyone so that this team can succeed. It may take a bit of time and I understand that it will be frustrating and sometime things will seem confusing, but we are all focused on the same long-term objective and we will get there.”

That would be comment I want to hear from my young superstar. Instead we are getting such gems as (and I’m paraphrasing here) as, “I don’t really know what my role is," and, “When I don’t get mine, everyone else suffers." and thus the team truly does suffer. Only not in the way Brandon intended.

Those are alarming comments to hear from your two-time All-star shooting guard. That comment tells me that there has been no real communication between the coach and the team’s superstar in terms of what the team is really trying to accomplish and how they are planning to do it. Having a disconnected relationship between the team’s coach and it’s superstar is not a good thing and, quite honestly, is completely unacceptable. Yet another indicator to me that McMillan is not the man for the job.

and lastly...

THE TRIUMVIRATE

The big three, Greg Oden, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Brandon Roy. The pillars of the franchise. So far, Nate has shown an inability to corral these young men and make them realize the potential and opportunity that they truly have. Oden is a game changer that no coach can truly stop or prepare for, Aldridge’s skill-set creates a virtual mismatch (usually in his favor) against every PF in the league, and Roy has established himself as the bona-fide superstar, he is the everything man; he creates, he shoots threes, he shoots fade-away jumpers, he hits last-second, game-winning shots. He does it all. The crazy part? They are all still young and developing!

It’s almost like a comic book superhero team put together for the sole purpose of creating the next NBA dynasty (the team is in Teen Titan mode right now). Each of these players are great players by themselves (they are still young and they all have the potential to become Hall-of-Fame players, regardless of the team they play on). You could take Oden or Roy and put them on any scrub team in the league and they will change the landscape of that team instantly. Aldridge has the potential to do the same, though I’m not sure if he could impact a team at the same level as those two. Regardless, no team in the NBA would say no to any of these three players.

To me, a great coach would get these three guys to see a greater vision. To get them to look past “pecking orders” and “players sacrificing”. He would get them to realize that even though they are all great individually, they could be so much more if they were a united front. Show them how their skill-sets are so complementary that it almost seems  scripted. As the coach, you get them to buy into the belief that there is no such thing as “sacrificing for the team”, because that would imply players have personal agendas contrary to the team’s ultimate goal. He would get them to realize that whatever a player contributes, he contributes to the team winning and nothing else matters. The coach convinces them that the individual accolades will come if they keep wining and that even though they will be great, they ultimately mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Convince them that being a “scoring champion”, a “10-time All-star”, "Defensive Player of the Year “, and even the MVP of the league are all great tributes to have but would, ultimately, pale in comparison to being one of the invaluable pillars of a team that has the potential of winning 4, 5, or even more championships in a row.

I believe that this team needs a coach who envisions a team, with those three at it’s core, becoming the next NBA dynasty. Roy and Aldridge are already locked up for the long term and I can’t imagine the team not resigning Oden at any cost. As long as you do a good job surrounding these guys with complimentary role players throughout the years they will continue to dominate the league. If a coach was skilled enough to get those three, the Triumvirate (as I like to call them), to truly wrap their minds around that concept and how amazing it would be. If he could get them to commit to the importance of being such an invaluable piece of the next great NBA dynasty.If he could get them to be genuinely excited about living up to the personal challenge holding themselves to a higher standard than anyone else does. Get them to really believe they could become one of the greatest NBA dynasties ever (and I believe they could). Then you have the start of something really amazing.

The coach’s job is to convince these guys that they can achieve such a dream. It’s his job to get them to buy into such a grand vision. If he can do that, the players would trust him with their lives and there wouldn't be any self-proclaimed “chemistry” problems. There would be no “finger-pointing” or “me first” comments from this team. There would be only one voice, one message, one team; dominating the league with its three pillars, all of them focused on one objective...winning multiple championship and becoming a dynasty. This is what a great coach would do.

Instead, we hear comments from McMillan, such as, “They’ve got to figure it out” and “We’re not scrappy enough” and we can’t forget my personal favorite, “We’re not playing with enough effort." These comments are nothing more than accurate generalities at best or egregious exhibitions of Nate’s lack of understanding to what’s really going on at worst. Either way, I’m not satisfied with what I’m hearing from him. If the team is not exerting any effort, then it’s the job of the coach to figure out why and fix it. Instead, McMillan is putting all of the onus on the backs of a 25, 24, and 21 year old. For sure, those three need to step up and become leaders for the team, but they answer to the coach. They have to believe in the coach and his ability to make them great. The coach needs step up and be the TRUE leader of the team.

Now, obviously McMillan has more to say to his team than what he utters to the media; however, I believe that if he was having any success in this area we would be seeing some tangible, positive reflection of it on the court and, so far, I have not seen it. Even when the team was winning, everything still seems “off”. There seems to be a lack of focus by the team and this is caused by a lack of focus by the coaching staff. If Nate’s comments to the media are, in fact, any reflection of how he gives his speeches to the team, then I believe he is not ready to take this team to the next level.

In closing, I will say that I don’t think Nate is incapable of becoming the coach to lead this team. I do think, however, that he will not be able to develop into that coach fast enough. There is a steep learning curve for Nate in coaching a team of this caliber (as there would be for most any coach) and I’m afraid I just don’t see the capacity in him to get there fast enough. He is too stubborn and too set in his ways. To be honest, I don’t think he even sees the same vision I see, which tells me right there that he should not be the coach of this team. The leader of any team should always strive to push the team to excellence. The Blazers have been anything but excellent lately.

This could be all be remedied quickly enough, however, if McMillan practiced some serious self-honesty. If he would honestly assess his own deficiencies he could mitigate most of them by finding people who are more skilled than himself to do the job. A great leader surrounds himself with people smarter than himself. Unfortunately, Nate’s propensity for being “Sarge” will prevent him from ever really listening to anyone else or every relinquishing control. He will always think his way is the best and in doing this he will seal his fate. I think a good example of this is illustrated by Nate’s inability to let Miller run the offense. He has Andre Miller, an 11-year, veteran point guard at his disposal, and refuses to let him take ownership of the offensive. Miller's strength is running the offense...so let him. This is fairly apparent to everyone but Nate McMillan. Or it is apparent to him and he refuses to budge. Either way he has failed to coach competently. By trusting in his player, in this case Miller, he would build trust with him and as make life easier on himself. The end result, the team prospers. Of course, if McMillan had been honest about his intentions with Miller in the first place, this whole Miller vs Blake saga would have never began.

McMillan has proven to be too controlling and fixed in his ways, this was fine when the team was rebuilding and the irresponsible youths of the "Jail Blazers" needed someone to fill that role; however, those days are over. It’s time to get someone who can coach/mentor/teach our young juggernauts to think on their own and guide them to greatness, as a team. McMillan does not appear to have the skills to do this effectively or efficiently. In order for McMillan to keep his job he must evolve at the pace of this team, which he has proven unable to do. This is why I think he should be fired. I understand the sentiment to let him finish out the year, and I really don’t have an issue with it. In the end, I just don’t see McMillan realizing that he needs to grow more quickly as a coach and will, ultimately, not be asked to return. We need a coach who has the ability to mold these young men into being more than themselves. Unfortunately for Nate McMillan, he does not possess the skills to do this.

Simply put (and it's nothing personal), at this point in time, Nate McMillan is just not qualified or capable of maximizing the potential of this team effectively or efficiently...that is why I think he should be let go.

 

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Hire Jeff Van Gundy
The Blazers are self centered. They need to put their best players on the court together, then go out and leave it all on the court together and make it work. Enough of this, “I can’t play with him” or “I am more comfortable with this guy”.-JVG

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 4, 2009 10:10 PM PST reply actions  

Let's do it to it!

Unfortunately, though, I doubt KP has the foresight to go that route.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 4, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Jeff Van Gundy is a goofus.

His Wise Jester act would wear thin after about 3 weeks…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 5, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm watching the Laker game last night on ESPN360...

I don’t want Jeff Van Gundy associated with the Trail Blazers in any way. He’s an idiot.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 5, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Who would you want as coach, genius?

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 5, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

There are approximately 20 franchises in the NBA that have loud and obnoxious segments of their fanbase blathering about firing their coach...

I propose that during All Star weekend all 20 coaches plus Lawrence Frank be invited to New York City, 20 chairs be placed in a big circle, the logo of each of the 20 teams in question on the seat of one chair. Then I think David Stern should blindfold you and you could start singing “I’m Too Sexy” by Right Said Fred — which I’m sure you know by heart already… When the song is done, all the coaches rush to sit down and 20 fanbases are instantly gratified for another 2 weeks or at least until their team loses a couple games in a row again…

We could make it an annual event…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 5, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, this should happen in Dallas, come to think of it.

I think I’m onto something here…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 5, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions  

He may not be "cool"

but he’s a better coach than we have now without question. He’s also much better suited to get the most out of the talent we have.

by as11osu on Dec 5, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, JVG actually knows how to run an offense — albeit a fairly simple, as well as rather ...

slow-paced system — through the pivotman, while also using an array of high pick-and-rolls and side screen-rolls to get efficient shot attempts.

JVG, moreover, actually knows how to coach players up on defense — while the current dunce in charge, “Sarge,” spouts nothing but empty rhetoric on that side of the ball — and have them fight through picks rather than constantly switch off them, which creates mismatches and also places the bigs in frequent foul trouble.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 5, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions  

He's a smarter man than you or I, end of story.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 5, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe we should get him to comment on Blazers' Edge.

Actually, that would be pretty dang cool.

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Καὶ εἶδον ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ θρόνου καὶ τῶν τεσσάρων ζώων καὶ ἐν μέσῳ τῶν πρεσβυτέρων ἀρνίον ἑστηκὼς ὡς ἐσφαγμένον,

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by T Darkstar on Dec 5, 2009 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, JVG attended Yale for awhile; however, he was cut from the basketball team there.

As a result, JVG transferred to Nazareth College in Rochester, New York to continue playing the game. That, without question, shows his heart and dedication to the game, as well as an outstanding intellect — as he was admitted to an Ivy League institution — so he’s earned my respect.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 5, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Good read.

 Well thought out. Thank you.

I feel bad for Nate on a number of levels.

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 4, 2009 10:38 PM PST reply actions  

I wish there would be some changes

sometimes you have to take a few risks and roll the dice. KP needs to do that. Wether that be hiring JVG or Tom Thibodeau or making a bold trade or two. He needs to make some moves.

by hugetrailblazerfan on Dec 4, 2009 10:43 PM PST reply actions  

You have absolutely no knowledge of what Nate said or didn't say to Miller.
He omitted (whether it was intentional or not doesn’t really matter) vital information (that being Miller’s role on the team) in his initial conversations with Andre Miller and, in doing so, destroyed their relationship before it ever even started.

Let’s see the proof of your assertion that Nate omitted anything in his conversation with Miller.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions  

Let's be serious for a second!

If I serve you pudding with salt in it rather than sugar, do you really need to SEE me put in the salt in order to know what I did?

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 4, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate said from Day One that Blake was starting.

You only think there was salt in the pudding because you don’t like the cook.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate said that after Miller was signed.

You were not at that meeting either and do not know what Nate said. Miller obviously thought that he would be given an opportunity to earn a starting role. As Nate has said many times, players determine who starts. There was an obvious miscommunication here and now it has hurt the team.

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 4, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

And I love to cook!

Cooking is all about the small details and I love that. There is very little better than when your taste buds tell you you right about a new way to prepare a dish.

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 4, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Only 3 people know what was said at the meeting.

You don’t know, and neither does the original poster, that there was any miss-communication. Nate may have been perfectly clear with Miller. Only Nate, Miller, and KP know that one way or the other. Yet the original poster blames Nate for miss-communicating and destroying the relationship between him and Miller. That is a serious charge. It shouldn’t be alleged unless it can be proved.

The only thing any of us knows is that Nate has been consistent since the day he sat next to Miller in the press conference and said that Blake was his starter. Do you think Nate would tell Miller one thing in their meeting and then tell him something different in a press conference a couple of days later?

Miller is the one that disrespected Nate. After Nate repeatedly answered press questions that Blake would start, Miller went to the press and said he deserved to start without attending even one practice. That is disrespecting your coach, You go to the coach with your complaint not the press,

Then MIller went to the press again and said he wouldn’t have come to PDX if he knew he wouldn’t start. That disrespects the team that just gave you the only multi-year contract you could get. It wasn’t about having a chance to win for Miller, or doing the job he was assigned for the incredible contract that he couldn’t get anywhere else, it was about starting, Where else have we heard that one lately?

Miller never won a playoff series anywhere in 10 years but he said he wouldn’t come to PDX to win, only to start. No wonder no team has ever tried to re-sign the guy. Pretty soon you can add the Blazers to that list.
 

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller says he was never told he would be coming off the bench.

Clearly he misunderstood so I assume there was some sort of miss-communication of some sort. Either Miller doesn’t understand English, or Nate wasn’t clear about Millers role.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Both KP and Nate were in that meeting and both were sitting next to Miller at the press conference

when Nate said Blake would be starting. Hard to imagine KP wouldn’t have stepped in at dinner to clarify such a potentially sensitive point if he thought Nate wasn’t clear enough, or if he thought Miller wasn’t getting it. These guys are experienced and they aren’t about to give anyone a $14M contract without being assured by the guy that he is going to be ok coming off the bench, And if anyone thinks they somehow just forgot to mention that little detail to Miller, why would they then talk about it at the press conference? That makes no sense. In that crazy scenario Nate would have just gave the usual PC answer at the press conference, that all starting spots are determined in camp. The fact that Nate was willing to state emphatically for weeks that Blake would start seems to indicate he felt certain that Miller was ok with that. What possible motivate would he have to discuss it publicly if he thought it would upset Miller?

But even assuming Miller didn’t understand at dinner, why didn’t Miller talk to Nate and KP about it right after the press conference? Nate went on saying it for weeks before Miller started shooting off his mouth in the press. If Miller didn’t get it at the dinner, he certainly had to get it at the press conference. The time to discuss it in private was then. It certainly wasn’t Nate or KP’s fault if Miller remained silent for weeks and then decided to complain in the press.

If there had really been a misunderstanding, and Miller had discussed it with Nate after the press conference, I’m sure Nate would not have made any further definitive comments about it. What motivation would Nate have to make Miller upset? None, of course. And then Miller wouldn’t have gone to the press about it, which had to upset Nate and KP.

The other plausible explanation, which also can’t be proved, is that Miller did understand at dinner but wanted the contract that no one else would give him. He figured that his talent was such that Nate would simply change his mind after he was signed and fans got excited about him. Then when he found Nate stuck to his position his ego got the best of him and he started complaining to the press, This is a guy that says he wants nothing to do with the press but then chose to air his grievances in the press.

But we don’t know what happened at that now infamous dinner. Only Miller, Nate and KP know. That was my original point, Since we don’t know what happened, you can’t blame Nate for destroying their relationship based on miss-communication that may or may not have ever occurred, and can’t be proved now. And that was the only point I made in my original comment.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 5, 2009 1:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Did Nate ever say he told Miller he was definitely coming off the bench?

I don’t remember him ever saying that. I know he said he “envisioned” Miller with the second unit, but I can’t remember Nate ever saying himself that he clearly told Miller he was coming off the bench, only that he MIGHT come off the bench depending on which PG earns it. Blake clearly didn’t earn it. That sort of makes Nate a liar doesn’t it? No wonder Miller would be confused and annoyed.


"If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come here," Miller"-Andre Miller

McMillan has said he told Miller during their summer meeting in Las Vegas that he very well might make him a reserve-Spears

Unless Nate told him, " Hey, Blake is going to start no matter how much you outplay him in preseason." then he was absolutely not clear about Miller’s role. He left it open depending on who played better. Miller played better and he still didn’t start. That’s poor communication on Nate’s part.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 3:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I feel like we are rehashing old news here.

I’m sure you wouldn’t remember but I actually defended Miller after the Spears article. At the time, Miller was being vilified because the first statement you quoted was widely interpreted in the press and by some fans as Miller saying he was promised the starting spot, that Nate had mislead him to believe the starting job was his so that he would sign with PDX because of Spears’ 2nd statement you quoted. I argued that Miller wasn’t saying he was promised the starting spot, but only that he could compete for it. I posted links to some audio clips and quoted the audio clips to support that. I argued that Miller was taking undo heat for his statements because of the way Spears wrote the article. I summarized:

I don’t think Miller is claiming he was promised the starting spot, and I don’t see how he could feel that he is being denied a chance to earn the starting spot. The audio certainly supports the former and the fact he started the last preseason game refutes the latter. This “controversy” appears to be more a result of how Spears wrote the article, than what Andre actually said.

I did however criticize Miller for going to the press rather than going to Nate or KP with whatever complaint he had (whatever it specifically was).

Why he chose to talk to Spears at all is another matter. If as he said today, he was trying to put forth his side in the media it looks to me like it backfired and Spears didn’t do him any favors.

So I’m quite willing to defend both Miller and Nate as a matter of principle when I think they are being unfairly accused. In the former, I defended Miller because he was accused of saying he was promised the starting spot and also accused of calling Nate a liar. I believe neither was true. Now I’m defending Nate because he is being accused of destroying the relationship with Miller because of miss-communication at their dinner. There is no proof there was miss-communication, and can’t be unless one of us was there, so I think that accusation is unfair to Nate.

I think Miller saying he wouldn’t come to Portland if he knew he wouldn’t start says that Miller cares more about starting than winning, Of course that is his right, even if I don’t like his attitude.

Here’s what Nate said on Courtside on July 28 the day before Andre came to Portland for his first press conference, from the audio tapes:

Barrett: A lot of people have assumed that Miller will come in and start. … Did you guys discuss with Andre at the Dinner … is Miller a guy – who the people assuming he’s going to start – are they correct?

Nate: No, they’re not. I talked to Andre about that. …. Steve Blake started last year. Our starting unit last year won 54 games. We’re not going to mess with that starting unit at the beginning. We will start out the same way with Brandon and Steve as our guards, and bring Andre and Rudy as the guards off the bench.

Then on Wheels at Work on July 28:

Wheels: Will you look at combinations and decide maybe which unit each guy fits in best with?

Nate: Well, I will look at combinations. But I talked to Andre about that. … I talked to him about coming off the bench and playing in that role. … That will take care of itself once we get into camp. But right now Blake is our starting point guard. Andre, I talked to him about that and he was fine with coming in and just doing whatever is needed to make the club better.

This last quote seems to leave the door open for Miller to compete for the starting job. In fact, Miller started at least 2 preseason games I believe. Whether Miller outplayed Blake to earn the starting spot, and what criteria was used to decide that, is a matter of opinion. And in this case only Nate’s opinion counts. I doubt Nate cared much about preseason statistics, I imagine he was more interested in how well Roy played with Miller vs Blake. It is pointless to argue that Miller played better than Blake during preseason based on statistics if Nate’s criteria for earning the starting spot was how well Miller could mesh with Roy. He’s the coach, he’s paid to decide the criteria, it’s his job on the line. He can also change his mind as he has this season, Miller has started 9 games at PG out of 20, and my guess is he will be starting again very soon. But unless he and Roy play better than they have, I’d bet Miller is traded after Dec 15 and it won’t matter that Miller is a better PG than Blake because Roy will be here long after both of them are gone.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 5, 2009 6:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Superb post

You’ve covered this really well.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously there was a miss-communication .

Nate’s entire job as a coach is built around his ability to communicate. Therefore I put the blame on him. Whatever he said, he didn’t say it clearly enough.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I pulled up to an empty drive-thru at a McDonalds a while back and ordered a cheeseburger. I also ordered a few packages of BBQ sauce which I like to put on said cheeseburger, to which the woman said “BBQ sauce will cost you extra” to which I replied “that’s fine, I’ll pay extra.”

A few minutes later she handed me my bag of food…without the BBQ sauce. I said “ma’m, you forgot my BBQ sauce,” and she responded “you want BBQ sauce? That’ll cost you extra.”

My opinions are facts.

by Fanboi on Dec 5, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

You are comparing the communication responcibilities of ordering at a drive-thru with those of a coach and GM signing a 7 mil a year free agent?

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 5, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

No

He is saying that crystal clear communication is not always received or remembered.

The woman clearly received it in this case, she told him it would cost extra. A few minutes later, she had forgotten clear communication which had been received and interpreted accurately.

In any event, if he was comparing people, the comparison would have been to the hearer (Andre), not the speakers (coach and GM). That is extremely clear, if you stop and think about it. If there is a comparison of people, you got the wrong comparison, and if you go back and look at it, you can see that.

Which proves just how easy it is for communication to be misunderstood. I know from your comments you are a reasonably intelligent person, yet I can see that you completely missed something which should be obvious. How? Because communication is imperfect.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly.

I’m using a personal experience to put out there that one can be clear as day, but sometimes people just hear (or don’t hear) what they want to hear (or don’t hear). If one thinks the amount of money involved increases the ability to communicate, so be it. I’d argue otherwise.

And for me, having encountered more than a few of those experiences throughout my life, it’s hard to digest someone using such subjective information to make negative statements of “fact” regarding anyone involved.

My opinions are facts.

by Fanboi on Dec 5, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

The honeymoon is over

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 5, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow

Without being there or having a recording/transcript, how can you possibly say that?

I’ve seen people make things 100% clear and someone else take it wrong. Professional communicators.

Ask Dave. I bet in his sermons, there have been 100s of times where he made something perfectly clear and someone took it wrong. It happens on this blog all the time.

IF it was a miscommunication, it is impossible to say who was to blame, and perhaps even KP doesn’t know/remember.

In any event, the accusations of dishonesty are absurd, because of the strong possibility of miscommunication. But BFS1970 points out very well that there might not have been miscommunication at all.

Scenario:
1. Miller is told he might not start, he’ll have to earn it.
2. Miller assumes he will earn it, and Nate is just respecting Blake.
3. Nate says Blake will start as starter, but spots can be earned (not in so many words, but that is what it boils down to, and what happened with Oden).
4. Miller thinks he outplayed Blake and earned the spot.
5. Nate thinks Blake played well enough to keep the spot.
6. Miller now thinks he could never have earned it, wasn’t told that, and gripes to the media.

Is that entirely plausible? Of course. In fact, probable. Did anyone lie or miscommunicate? No, the key is at numbers 4-5. They have a different perspective of what was needed to earn the spot, and how well the two PGs played in that regard.

People try to blow this up into a matter of integrity, when really it is a matter of evaluation of two players and what they bring to the team.

For whatever reason, Nate has to this point placed a higher value on what he expects/hopes to get out of Blake in the starting lineup than what he expects/hopes to get out of Andre. And for whatever reason, lots of fans disagree with his evaluation.

That is ALL this is, in all probability. It has nothing to do with integrity or “Blanky” or any of the other insulting things people are choosing to write. It is all about player evaluation within the team.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...

In this case I believe the coach needed to explain why he thought his evaluation was better for the team and then convince Miller to buy into his team concept. We all know Miller is the more talented point guard, but If Nate felt that Miller would be the better fit on the second unit, then it his job to influence and convince Andre Miller that he best serves this team on the second unit. If Nate can’t do this, then he has failed as a coach.

This dialogue between Nate and Andre has obviously not happened according to the stories we’ve see, and, by virtue of his position, Nate must take the blame.

In the end, it really doesn’t matter who said what to who. Nate McMillan is the coach and it is his responsibility to ensure that his players understand his motives and why he makes the decisions he makes.

If McMillan was more transparent with his decisions concerning the team to his players, I guarantee you we would not be hearing the interviews and comments that we been.

I’m not really concerned with the play as much as I am about the comments. The team just doesn’t seem to be together.

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 9:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I like this
In this case I believe the coach needed to explain why he thought his evaluation was better for the team and then convince Miller to buy into his team concept. We all know Miller is the more talented point guard, but If Nate felt that Miller would be the better fit on the second unit, then it his job to influence and convince Andre Miller that he best serves this team on the second unit. If Nate can’t do this, then he has failed as a coach.

Nate has failed as a coach because he can’t influence/convince Andre to buy into his vision (assuming all that is true)?

Is a coach supposed to be God or something? (Although most people who believe in God believe that even He leaves people a measure of free will to buy into His vision or not as they choose).

Suppose that:
1. Nate explained but Miller won’t buy in because he’s selfish/stubborn. Fire Nate! (Huh?)
2. Nate told everyone the basics of the decision, and said he would like to talk to anyone who has questions about it. Andre doesn’t talk to him. Therefore Nate has failed?

Here I agree:

I’m not really concerned with the play as much as I am about the comments. The team just doesn’t seem to be together.

If we reach the all-star break and we’re still getting those comments, I’ll begin to reach a high level of concern. If we hit the end of the year and we’re still getting those comments and struggling on court, if I’m KP I’m going to be dragging players in and finding out what they are really thinking. If the comments reflect a disjointed team, and not just media taking stuff out of context and blowing stuff up, I’m either trading some players quickly, or dumping the coach. You have to get it together.

But 20 games in, with all the upheaval of this year? Nope. Adjusting to Oden becoming an offensive force, adjusting to Miller, adjusting to Martell, losing Nic AFTER training camp, losing Travis, short on players even to practice due to long term injuries, guys playing out of position.

The comments are concerning, the team doesn’t appear to really be together either on court or in off-court mindset. But I disagree with you on the following:
1. It’s too early in the season, given all the personnel change, to call that a coaching failure.
2. It is inappropriate to say that these things are always the coach’s fault.
3. It IS appropriate to say that it is management’s responsibility to find a solution.
4. It is risky and often inappropriate for outsiders to assess blame.
5. It is risky and often inappropriate for outsiders to affix a timeline to when management must find a solution, or to say management has failed because it hasn’t been solved yet.

People are not robots that a coach can just dangle on a string and make them accept what he says.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You are right...

People are not robots, but people can be influenced, motivated, and inspired to do great things.

Isn’t that the role of the coach? To influence, motivate, and inspire his team to do great things?

Being able to do those things require certain skills. People learn techniques and methods to increase their skills of communication, persuasion, motivation, etc., all the time.

These are skills that I see necessary to coach this team. The is team doesn’t look motivated or inspired. In fact, there are indications of Nate losing this team.

In the end, Nate possesses the means to learn these skills, I just don’t think he realizes that he does need to learn them and when he does, his opportunity will be long gone.

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Just remember, we're outsiders

On the evidence of 20 games plus a preseason, I would think you are right.

On the evidence of prior years, I see indications of people being influenced, motivated, and inspired.

And as an outsider, I don’t know really know what is going on, but I’m not prepared to assume that Nate is failing where he succeeded last year.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sure that KP has an opinion,

but my hope is that he will take all of the evidence he can gather into account and make his decisions based on the information that he has available to him. In business and in life, we are rarely working with sure things. Ambiguity is almost always a part of the decision making process at one level or another (something that people seem to be ignoring here).

And certainly we should not just bury our heads in the sand while we wait for the gods to tell us what to do.

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 5, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think

and of course it’s only a guess, that Omerium did not arrive at his opinion on the basis of a single season, or even the twenty games of this season…..It would be quite foolish to do so….I think he see’s a trend and is, for the most part, quite correct……
    Nate, has no imagination, and hasn’t been the teacher that many claim he is…this teams almost total disregard for the basic fundamentals of the game is the biggest failure of coaching…..Team building gets done with flexibility,hard work, and fundamental soundness…..Now if they had this, then a coaching change would be a lot further away from people’s minds……Because then you would have to look at the players and wonder if they simply lack the skills……
   but this is Nate’s team….. Direction is needed…..otherwise you have a group of 12 individual ballplayers …… if they don’t get it, make sure they do…
   Management had to know that they were supplying this team with very young players….A team that would need plenty of discipline on the basic fundamentals ….this is something that you need to bite the bullet on early and get it done …They have not done this…it is obvious by looking at the product out on the floor….they are trying to function as a team without the foundation (fundamentals)every team needs to play well and get results….I’m sorry but I see this with my eyes, and is the only conclusion I can draw….
   I agree with Omorium entirely, when he puts a lot of this teams issues on Nate’s shoulders….I have no opinion on the off-court stuff, I leave that for the media…..

by WyEast on Dec 5, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I believe Nate said on record that the starters would be determined by who earns it.

That’s poor communication because it isn’t true. He might have good reasons for choosing his lineups but it’s certainly not based on earning the spot.

It’s also not the first time he’s had communication problems like this. He told Batum he was starting last season and then yanked him at the last minute in favor of Outlaw. That made Batum upset, understandably.

I think your scenario is probably exactly what happened, and yes I think the blame lies with Nate. Did anyone lie or miscommunicate? Hell yes. Miscommunication at the very least, but it’s entirely possible and very likely in my opinion that Nate envisioned Miller coming off the bench all along and chose not to make that super duper clear because he and KP were afraid that they would lose ANOTHER potential free agent.

This was their third guy. They were desperate. You really think they were sitting there telling a ten year veteran that he was probably going to have to come off the bench for the first time in his career? I find that hard to believe.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Many assumptions

If my scenario is right, the miscommunication is not about starting/not starting, but about the evaluative basis on which that decision would be made — points 4 & 5. That is certainly not dishonest, and was probably not a point of the discussion at all.

No, the Batum thing was not communication, it was indecision. I agree it was poor leadership, but that is only comparable if Nate actually told Andre he was going to start and then changed his mind.

And no, I’m not ready to assume that Nate and KP lied to Andre, as your last two paragraphs imply. If nothing else, that would be highly stupid, in creating conflict down the road. Why would they want that? It would be better to save the cap space for an unbalanced trade than to create locker room turmoil. I can’t believe they are that dumb, even if they are that dishonest.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

So...you don't think Nate told Andre he could earn the starting spot?
That is certainly not dishonest, and was probably not a point of the discussion at all.

That’s a stretch. I guarantee (even though I have no wiretaps) that if they told Miller he might come off the bench it was quickly followed with the promise that he could compete for the starting spot.

I can’t prove it obviously, but it’s a logical assumption. If they just told Miller that Blake was definitely starting and he was coming off the bench to start the season no matter what, then he wouldn’t have come to Portland. He wouldn’t have walked away with a positive impression from that meeting.

That’s like saying you can’t prove the man lured the kids into his van with trickery. Maybe he told them exactly what was going to happen and they just assumed there would be candy and puppies. How do you know he was the one miscommunicating his intentions? No one can be sure. Do you have a recording of what was said?

I’ve read everything that Miller and Nate have said to the media and to me it seems very likely that Nate miscommunicated Miller’s role. I don’t have a transcript, obviously, but I don’t need one. Some of the stuff Nate has said to the media isn’t true. We know that for a fact. Miller was upset because he felt his role wasn’t defined. It’s Nate’s job as a coach to define roles. That’s his fault, especially since he was the one who wanted Miller to come to Portland in the first place.

If he really wanted Miller to come off the bench then he should have made damn sure that Miller was OK with that before he signed him. Obviously Miller is not OK with it, so I blame Nate one way or another.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

We're talking past each other

Points 4 & 5 where the disagreement comes in:

4. Miller thinks he outplayed Blake and earned the spot.
5. Nate thinks Blake played well enough to keep the spot.

My quote to which you object:
If my scenario is right, the miscommunication is not about starting/not starting, but about the evaluative basis on which that decision would be made — points 4 & 5. That is certainly not dishonest, and was probably not a point of the discussion at all.

Nate said Andre could earn it. He was looking for certain things by which Andre would earn it.

Andre assumed certain things would earn it, and they were different things from what Nate was thinking.

They probably never discussed what Nate was looking for. Andre clearly didn’t have a grip on what Nate was looking for, because he didn’t understand their high regard for Blake.

Andre probably didn’t ask, “What do I have to do to earn the spot?” — because he just assumed he would easily earn it. Nate didn’t address what Andre would have to do, because that wasn’t the focus of the conversation.

Not that I have much energy for this conversation right now.

#52

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Or perhaps Andre, an aging 10 year veteran without a contract was a little desperate, and heard what he wanted to hear in order to lock up that contract? An very plausible scenario. Let’s not forget about those superstar egos.

My opinions are facts.

by Fanboi on Dec 5, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think anyone is saying they have absolute proof, but even a court of law does not require absolute proof.

I think that some people are trying to confuse the issue by using artificially high standards (in order to avoid some pretty reasonable inferences).

In any event, the accusations of dishonesty are absurd,

The fact is you do not know this statement is true. You are stating your opinion, an educated guess that I agree you have a right to. The thing you are incorrect about is in making such all-knowing statements about events that on their merits have correctly earned the fan base’s concern.

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 5, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

No, I know that accusations of dishonesty are absurd

I do not know that there has been no dishonesty, but I know that there is not even close to sufficient basis to spread accusations of dishonesty.

Nor do I object to “fan base concern”. I object to escalating that concern with unfounded accusations.

For all you know, Nate told Andre the complete truth, and Andre ignored it because he wanted a contract worth $14-21 million, and is now lying. Who had the most incentive to overlook inconvenient facts in that conversation? Arguably, Andre did, and Portland could have just waited and grabbed a salary dump at the trade deadline.

Am I accusing Andre of lying? No. I’m saying you could at least make as good a case that Andre lied as that Nate was dishonest.

Anyone who wasn’t there has no sound basis to make any accusations.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate said there was open competition.

If there was, Miller beat out Blake. Funny who’s starting.

by LaoTzu on Dec 5, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Not being sure if someone told the truth does not prove they did not lie.

If someone lies without our having direct evidence, it does not mean that accusing them of lying is automatically, “absurd.” The fact is, they simply may have lied without us without us knowing about it. The fact that they lied does not change based on any individual’s awareness. It would be entirely correct for someone to say that they lied, because in the case under discussion, they did!

A threshold of evidence builds up until one finds it appropriate to question someone about his or her level of honesty. Salt in the pudding. At some point it is appropriate to ask some questions. People will differ about what that point is. I prefer to wait as long as possible as a matter of respect—but when it is time, I also believe not asking is pure foolishness. And by the way, I do not consider asking questions and drawing a few inferences to be, "accusing."

Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.

by KINGofMACct on Dec 5, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions  

There is a difference

between asking questions and accusing. There has been a lot of accusing going on with no evidence.

#52

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Hm, so JScot is incorrect because he’s making an all-knowing statements based on opinions huh?

Hello pot, my name is kettle, a pleasure to meet you sir.

My opinions are facts.

by Fanboi on Dec 5, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions  

WRONG

Nate said that it was an open competition. A competition, if you look at the numbers, that showed even with so little time with the team that Andre Miller won.

But it turned out that it was a battle for Roy’s affections, not a display of talent. So Miller rides the pines.

Roy needs to discover moving without the ball, and everything will gel for the offense with Miller on the floor.

Visualize Roy cutting like Rudy without the ball.

by LaoTzu on Dec 5, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Which numbers?

The boxscore?

The scoreboard in the last preseason game vs. the scoreboard in the games Miller started?

The numbers from Synergy?

Which numbers?

#52

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice Read

Very convincing. But my leash for Nate is longer than his is for Blake. 72 hour breaks are worse for fans than they are for players.

The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of Greg Oden.

by fajunga on Dec 4, 2009 11:36 PM PST reply actions  

Truly Great Post!

If KP reads this nate might be fired tonight via text message.

by blaze1 on Dec 4, 2009 11:45 PM PST reply actions  

I agree. Discharge the Sarge.

Even if Nate didn’t miscommunicate with Miller before signing him, there are still ample reasons to discharge Sarge: He was good for what they brought him here for – to rebuild.
Rebuilding time is over. It’s time to wage war.

by Sheedwasright on Dec 5, 2009 1:17 AM PST reply actions  

Too bad KP will never fire Nate

untill we get below .500% at least. We’ll get to see how Dean Demo does on the up-coming 4 game road trip. Perhaps if he does well,KP might be more confident in letting Nate go before the season’s up. Go Dean!

by VinnyB on Dec 5, 2009 4:27 AM PST reply actions  

I disagree with a lot, but appreciate

that at least you put together an argument instead of a rant.

I’ll pick out some points.

It nothing personal against Nate, but I am fairly entrenched in the "Fire Nate Now" camp and have been for the past couple of years.

This post explains why…

Actually, this post doesn’t. You list a few things from the last couple of months. Yet you’ve been “firmly entrenched” for two years. That tells me that the things you list here are simply an example of confirmation bias. You’ve interpreted recent events to put Nate in a negative light. Many of those events are open to more than one interpretation, but the interpretation you’ve chosen confirms the negative opinion you already had about Nate.

Basketball is a game of strategy. A more nuanced game of chess. Every team has its players (the pieces) and every team has a coach (the strategist). One aspect of a coach’s job is to understand the pieces (players) at his disposal and the skills they employ. He must then maximize their potential as quickly and efficiently as possible, creating the most outstanding team he can.

As a coach, and a strategist, you must understand your player’s strengths and weaknesses and how to properly employ them. In my opinion, Nate McMillan has not been able to do this effectively, neither on nor off the court.

Few reasonable analysts would question that Nate has done an admirable job of maximizing strengths over the last three years. He has done superbly with Roy, he did well with Jarrett Jack, he has done very well with Blake, he has done a superb job of using what Joel can (and can’t) do, etc. The results showed in the wins record, climbing from 21 to 32 to 41 to 54. That he has not maximized the talents of every player is self-evident, but no coach is able to do that.

I do not in the least disagree with you that this year has been a struggle in this regard, or that there have been players whose talents haven’t been well utilized. But this statement of yours is way over the top.

Nate has shown to be inflexible with his starting line-ups and unimaginative with his game-time strategies.

Let me see. He said the incumbent starters would be the starters until it was taken from them. Inflexibly, he started Joel over Greg, right? Well, no.

Then, he started Blake, Roy, Webster, Aldridge, and Oden, and stayed with that no matter what, right? Well, no.

He’s refused to consider leaving Blake out of the starting lineup, right? Well, no, unless he was lying about the lineup he is considering for tonight.

He’s refused to consider starting Rudy, right? Well, no.

After Travis went down, he insisted that Juwan was the backup PF, and inflexibly stuck with that, and started Juwan when LMA was out, right? Well, no.

He started out not playing Bayless the first few games, but has played him more. He has jumped Dante ahead of Howard in the rotation. He has played Rudy everywhere from about 18 minutes to 35, and the same with Martell.
 
Whatever one may think about his starting lineups and rotations, “inflexible” is not part of the picture.

On Blazersedge, “Nate is stubborn and inflexible” doesn’t actually mean what it used to mean back in the good old days when I was walking 20 miles barefoot through the snow to school. What it really means is “Nate won’t start the players I want him to start.”

As pointed out above, you are making massive assumptions about what was or wasn’t said in a private meeting, and accusing Nate of dishonesty based on those assumptions.

If Nate was honest with Miller from the outset

Instead, Nate decided that it was neither important enough to clearly define Miller’s role on the team before signing him nor ensure that both he and Miller understood and agreed upon Miller’s role before signing him.

Not being omniscient, I’m not prepared to declare what Nate did or did not decide. Your assumptions are driven by your prior bias. They may or may not be correct assumptions, but you should not expect to be persuading anyone who didn’t already agree with you based on these assumptions.

Sure, the others who want to fire Nate will chime in with their Hallelujah Chorus, as some already have. But you will convince no one without at least explicitly acknowledging your assumptions and presenting the reasons you think they are more likely to be true than not.

I could comment more on your post, but I’m short on time right now. I’ll try to get back to it later. I do appreciate the way you’ve presented your arguments. It means we can actually discuss it, rather than have a shouting match.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 5:32 AM PST reply actions   4 recs

I've always had trouble with propositions that you have to believe are true before they can be proved.

A lot of religious groups take this position when they don’t have to do so. You’re absolutely right when you say the evidence can be taken in more than one way. Evidence in general can. Which means that the two approaches are either base the evidence on your theory, or base the theory on your evidence. The “Fire Nate” crowd seems to be taking the former, while I pretend to take the latter to make myself look reasonable. Mostly because I’ve assumed that I’m reasonable, and am now finding evidence to support that theory.

Still, there are degrees to this madness we call reason. The key to a good argument is to know where its weaknesses are. There must be a possibility that a position is wrong, or else there’s no point in even discussing it. If there is no evidence in the world that can convince one otherwise, then there’s no reason to think about it. If nothing Nate does can ever convince one that he might indeed be a good coach for the Blazers, then why bother with conversation?

Now, that reason may be pretty big. I might reasonable assume that for most on that side winning a championship would be that evidence. That’s good! Now we have a place where we can start discussing Nate reasonably.

If winning a championship will show Nate is a good coach, then why refuse to give him the chance? Because he’s already shown that he can’t do that is a poor argument, as this team has not had the talent to win one yet. In fact, , I don’t think even Red Auerbach could take this team to an NBA Championship this year. A coach’s ability is always measured in wins. As Jscot says above, he has improved this team by an average of 10 wins per year since his first year. That is remarkable. Unheard of remarkable, no matter who gets put on the floor. I don’t think he’ll do that this season, but the logrhythmic curve has to catch up somewhere, and 54 later than one would reasonably expect.

I argue that he has proved himself enough to warrant a chance to win with this team. And a month and a half of new personnel, injuries to key players, slumping point guards (plural), and the recent discovery that we have a center who can actually score without being a gimick (something practically unheard of in the NBA these days), is not enough in my opinion to call for him to join the ranks of billions in the unemployment line.

The problem with all this arguing is that fans love to predict the future. There’s more of it going on in these forums than on all the 1-900-PSYCHIC lines put together. We kid ourselves by using fancy stats, and point differential, and gut instinct. We claim almighty and infallible wisdom. Nate happens to start Miller and Rudy? We can claim that we’ve been calling for that all along. And if it works, we claim to have the wisdom that transcends all basketball.

What if it doesn’t work? What if Miller turns the ball over 7 times? What if Rudy misses all 12 of his threes? The fault lies not with our wisdom, but with Nate for leaving out people who are struggling instead of changing the lineup. When fans predict the future, nothing that happens can ever assault their wisdom. All incidents were forseen with hindsight. We deify ourselves and our ideas. We proclaim ourselves the single most important force behind everything good that happens, denouncing everything that is evil. We are fans. We have the only true power. Thank you John Canzano.

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by T Darkstar on Dec 5, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions  

I was replying to something Jscot said,

But danged if I can remember what it was now.

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by T Darkstar on Dec 5, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't have a clue what he said

but he said it well.

(just kidding, it was a nice post, and I think he was responding at first, at least, to my comments about assumptions, and especially my penultimate paragraph)

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by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Great feedback

I don’t mean to imply that Nate was explicitly, or even intentionally, dishonest with Andre, what I’m saying is that if McMillan would have laid out his idea on how he was planning on using Miller from the beginning, this conversation, in all probability, would not be happening.
 
Even if Nate had no idea how he was going to use him, he could have made a comment like this:

“Well, Dre, To start with, I just want to you to know that I’m not really sure how we will employ your skills on this team, but, if you are willing to work with me I think we could surprise a lot of people and realistically win a championship, not next year, but this year. I want to be up front with you, this means that you may or may not start and I want to ensure that not being a starter will not be an issue for you. Especially, if you find yourself in that position. I know you have a lot of potential with both our first and second unit guys, and I don’t want to limit ourselves. Here’s why I think you would be great on the Are you okay with this? Do you think we could make this work?”

A comment from Nate to Miller like that during their “infamous” summer dinner would have gone a long way in ensuring a positive relationship between those two and, as a result, been better for the team.

In the end, it really doesn’t matter who said what, and who started what. Nate McMillan is the coach and it is his responsibility to fix these issues. You can only do that by communicating with your people. I thinks it’s been pretty evident that he has not.

Also, it doesn’t really matter if Nate is or isn’t “inflexible” or “stubborn” or if he is trying new things left and right. I doesn’t matter if Miller starts or comes off the bench or if he takes Oden out at the 6:00 minute mark of the 1st quarter. If he is not explaining the reasons for his decisions to his players and if he is not getting them to nod their heads in acceptance and in understanding, convincing them that in order to succeed they must buy into his philosophy, game plan, defensive scheme, etc. in order to win a championship, then Nate McMillan is not doing his job. For all we know, Nate may be making the right decisions and we just haven’t given it enough time, but when your superstar makes comments like “I don’t know what my role is on this team right now.” 20 games into the season. That tells me that the coach is not communicating with his players. That is unacceptable.

Nate’s inability to effectively communicate with his players, as evidenced by the teams lack of cohesion\unity both on and off the court, is a skill like any other. It must be studied, practiced, and improved upon. If Nate hasn’t realized that he needs to work on his communication skills by now and is not making an effort to get better, then he should not be the coach. Just my opinion.

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Good comment

But if Nate made that comment at that dinner, and Andre said, “Fine,” and then wasn’t happy with it, has Nate failed, or is it Andre?

In fact, based on Nate’s public comments, I suspect it may have gone much like that.

But I do think the team isn’t together, and it IS Nate’s and/or KP’s job to find a solution to that, if necessary by trading people away.

But I do think this is all premature, and it will be sorted. Not that it wouldn’t be better if it had been sorted by now, but things happen. People are, you know, people.

Dave has a vision for this blog, he has communicated it repeatedly, he has assistants to help enforce it, but people still violate it all the time. DAVE HAS FAILED! :)

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by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL!

Had to laugh at that. Of course, we’re talking about employees here, not visitors. I’m sure Dave communicates very well with the people who are responsible for running this site on a daily basis. He only has so much influence over the people who visit here and there will, undoubtedly, be some violations.

Nate is not dealing with “visitors” these are his employees, and we, as outsiders looking in, only see what is shown to us. Granted we are all doing nothing but making assumptions based on the data made available to us. Every scenario is just conjecture at this point; however, in my opinion, I have seen enough data to know that McMillan does not do what may be the most important aspect of his job – to effectively communicate to the team.

If he doesn’t have the skills now and shows no sign of attempting to learn those skills, then he should be let go. That is an assumption, of course, for all we know, Mr. Allen and KP have already talked to Nate about this and he and the team spent the past three days doing visualization and team building exercises to work on communication. Who knows?

Only time and the results we see on the court will tell.

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Great discussion - I'm glad my post sparked some good conversation!

The point of my post is that Nate McMillan is the Head Coach of this team. He is the captain of the ship and determines how the ship arrives to it’s destination. Regardless of the “he said, he said” comments made by Nate and Andre or the “not sure what my role is” comment by Roy, the ultimate responsibility belongs to Nate. Why? Because he is the Head Coach. He is the TRUE leader of this team.

Even if Miller knew he was coming off the bench from the outset and then decided to go “rogue” and publicly complain about it. It is still a failure on McMillan’s part. Why? Because he is the Head Coach. He should be having open discussions with Miller and ensure that both of them are seeing eye-to-eye. As soon as that Spears article came out, McMillan should have had a private meeting with Andre to clear up any miscommunications or misconceptions. That is McMillan’s job. When I see a comment from Miller saying, “Nah, we haven’t talked. I’ll just be quiet and do my job.” I think that clearly indicates the coach and the team are not communicating. I have to put the blame on the coach. He is the “adult” and the “commander” in this situation. His primary responsibility is to ensure that the team is on the same page and that lines of communication are open. Up until this point, I just haven’t seen it.

Also, I’ll be the first to agree that Nate McMillan has done a great job in Portland, but he had a different role as a coach at that time. He needed to being “strong” and “rigid”, ensuring that these “kids” turned into respectable young men – and he’s done a fantastic job with that. Kudos to him, and I do think he deserves a shot at taking the team to a title; however, I think this year should be that shot. I know that’s putting a lot of expectation on Nate, but haven’t we been putting a lot of expectations on this team for some time now? Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Webster, Bayless, Rudy, Miller, Batum, Outlaw, (forget anyone??) all have high expectations levied upon them. I don’t see why the coach shouldn’t have same.

I never said Nate “couldn’t” take this team to a championship, I just said I don’t think he has the time to develop into the type of coach that can lead this team to a championship quickly enough. If we are willing to wait another 2-3 years, then maybe he has a shot of sticking around. I just don’t see it happening.

Unfortunately, and this is only my opinion, Nate McMillan hasn’t exhibited enough growth as a coach to me over the past couple of years to indicate that he is ready for the challenge of taking this team (a team that oozes talents at every position, I might add) to a championship. He has shown us to be too inflexible, to stubborn in his way. I’m not saying he doesn’t make changes, what I am saying is that he doesn’t make enough of them, quickly enough, and when he does make them, it seem apparent to me that he fails to explain to his team why he is doing what he is doing.

Sure he is thinking of trying a new line-up tonight, but it’s taken a long time (relatively speaking) to get here. A quarter of the season is gone and we are still trying to “figure things out”. We shouldn’t be at this stage in the season. I know injuries are a factor, but there is NO reason this team should come out and lay an egg on anytime, much less for three games in a row.

To me, Nate just has shown enough potential as a coach to be here. Period. Dot. End of Story.

OV

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions  

It's still an open question

whether Nate is a championship coach. I’ve been saying he’s a great rebuilding coach, but we don’t know if he’s a championship coach yet. And we really don’t. This thing could all come together very quickly. Or he may never be able to meld the talents into a finely functioning unit. Anyone who says they know for sure is just blowing smoke.

I know what I think the answer is, but it is just my opinion. I think that Nate has earned this year to prove he can coach a legitimate contender, and if injuries continue to zap us, maybe next year as well. But I have doubts as to whether he is a championship coach. Not enough doubts to say he should go this year, unless we have a total and absolute collapse. But doubts, nonetheless.

I disagree with this:

Even if Miller knew he was coming off the bench from the outset and then decided to go "rogue" and publicly complain about it. It is still a failure on McMillan’s part.

Miller is an adult. Should he be taken out to the woodshed? The idea that Nate is the only adult in the picture isn’t really sound. Andre knows where to find Nate if he wants to talk. It is not a failure of the coach when a player goes rogue. It is a responsibility of the coach to find a way to address it/respond to it. Maybe he benches the player, maybe he talks to him, maybe he asks the GM to trade him, maybe he fines him.

Maybe some of that happened. But it is doubtful that a coach should talk publicly about how he responded to a rogue player.

On the other hand, I find it doubtful that “going rogue” is the best description of Andre’s comments. More likely, the way Andre expressed himself was blown up by the reporter somewhat.

Now, if I’m Nate, and that article comes out, I’m going to say to Andre, “Do we need to talk?” and if Andre says, “No, I’m not talking to the media anymore, I’m just going to do my job,” I’m going to say, “OK, you know where I am.” And then a reporter asks Andre and he gives that answer, and I’m going to say, “Good.” And we’ll go back to figuring out how to get things meshing on court.

Will I treat Andre like a child and say, “You shouldn’t have talked to that guy?” Talking with the media is part of their job. Will I say, “No, we MUST go to my office and discuss this for an hour?” Or will I trust him enough that whatever was bothering him is something that he has decided isn’t going to hinder him, and believe that he’s a professional who has decide to just get on with the job? I will trust him.

Would I insist on talking to Greg or Jerryd in that situation? Sure. They are practically kids. But Andre? No, I’d make it clear my door is open anytime (which Nate has always said publicly), reiterate it, and leave it at that.

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by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

When i say "adult" in this context I meant...

more of a Boss to Employee context. So the word “adult” was not the best. Sorry for that.

What I meant by that comment was that Nate is the boss in this situation and as the boss (coach) it his responsibility to maintain a healthy relationship with his employees (players). That doesn’t mean there won’t be problems, but what I am saying is that if McMillan and Miller knew and agreed on what the game plan was from the start; if they both were focused on the same outcome – which should be to win a championship at all costs – then I think Miller would’ve never had said any of his comments in the first place.

You’re right Miller is an adult and handled the situation poorly and has some need for growth on his own part. There is nothing Nate can do about that now; however, as I stated above, if Nate would have conveyed the right message from the start, we wouldn’t talking about this right now and the team would be around the 17-3 mark.

As far as Miller going “rogue”, I was waxing poetic. I don’t think he went “rogue” at all. I think he was frustrated with the situation and didn’t feel comfortable talking with McMillan about it face-to-face. So he made a poor decision and opted to go public. Again, this is on Nate. He should have done everything possible from the outset to make sure Andre felt like he could talk with him, at any time, about any issue. That way they can resolve it right then and there, behind closed doors. Nate is the Head Coach, and he is the TRUE leader of the team.

Nate needs to lead this team on and off the court. He needs to be the example for all the others to follow. If your are closed off and uncommunicative then your team will be as well. The opposite is true when a leader is communicating, honest, and passionate.

Of these two examples, which one does this current team more resemble?

To me, that’s the coach not doing his job.

Fire Nate. :)

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Boss/Employee

I have people who work for me. They don’t always buy in so well. Sometimes the relationship gets rocky, because they disagree with my vision. Sometimes they have a point and I have to modify my vision. Sometimes they don’t.

Sometimes, it takes time to resolve, and talking doesn’t change it.

No matter how much talking was done, Andre would have thought he earned the starting job in training camp.

Communication does not end all disagreements.

It is a huge leap to assume that if Nate had only communicated better, we’d be 17-3.

But I agree that, from the outside, it appears that there may be communication problems.

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by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Have you ever had an employee go above you...

and talk to your boss about an issue regarding your department? If so, how did that make you feel? Did you feel like everything was okay between you and your employee? Did you feel like there was an understanding between you when it came to open conversation and discussions? Did you wonder why your employee didn’t feel comfortable enough in his relationship with you as a boss to bring up the issue to you?

To me, those are questions that a good boss will ask of him/herself in those situations. I’m not here to critique your leadership or managerial skills, but if your employees are not buying into your philosophy then it’s reasonable for me wonder why you haven’t done more to get them to buy in. No knock on you, but if you worked for me I would like to know what you are doing to keep your team focused, together, and moving towards the company’s vision. If some employees are not buying into the vision than I would like to know why.

People all have their own internal motivation, the job of a good leader/boss is to get that person to tap into their motivation and show them how, by doing the best at their job, they are really benefiting themselves in the long run.

I don’t believe Nate possesses these skills and never will. Fire Nate!

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

As far as I know

no one has gone over my head.

And yes, those would be good questions to ask.

But I wonder if you’ve ever worked in any kind of management situation with many people, because if you have, you will know that there are people who aren’t teachable, who have their own views, and who won’t come on board, and it isn’t because of a management failure, it is because there are people who are proud and stubborn.

You sound very, very idealistic.

And in saying that, I’m not ignoring the responsibility of management to try to do exactly what you are saying. But to assume that if management would only do enough, everyone would get in line is just not the way it is.

And when you are dealing with people who have had extremely high success doing it their way, or doing it another coach’s way, they just aren’t going to be as open to your vision as you would hope. And every single player in the NBA has been hugely successful in high school and college, at least, so they will be coming in with their ideas of what works for them, and they aren’t going to readily abandon that.

That’s just life.

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by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

As a matter of fact...

I do happen to manage a lot of people (150+) at NSA-Georgia. I am the Senior Mission Manager for one of the divisions. I work with NSA civilians, DAF contractors, Marines, Navy, Army and Air Force personnel, all working together towards a unified goal, to protect our US interests. Each of these organizations have their own agenda, as do the individuals themselves, and sometimes those agendas aren’t congruent with overall goal. This is a fact of life and understood.

However, as a leader of these men and women, it is my job to ensure that every single one us is focused on our mission at all times. It is my job to convince them that by doing there best at their job, they are truly improving themselves and their lives. You are right, I am an idealist, I always strive for excellence. I do my best to live that way and to be an example for those that follow me. Why would I (or anyone else for that matter) want to be any other way?

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I strive for the same

Both for myself and those under me.

But if you assume that if anyone under you goes wrong that is proof you have failed, you’re going to have a rough go of it. Every human being under your authority has a bad side as well as a good side, and sometimes the bad side wins out, no matter what you do.

Thank you for your work.

#52

by jscot on Dec 5, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I will echo alot of what jscot said.

A: The Blazers took a pretty quick rocket ship to the top for having a coach that isn’t able to maximize his players talent. 21,32,41,54.

B: Andre Miller situation (see above).

C: If a player is having a problem with his role, or is some other way mentally blocked (i.e. I believe Roy is fighting this right now) the player has to get his own head through that. This takes time. Brandon’s body language and effort he is displaying (especially on the defensive end) tell me he is a player that is floundering. Nate is taking this team in a slightly different direction than it’s been in the past. Brandon has grown comfortable in his role as ‘the man’ and isn’t used to there being two other options while he is on the court. He feels underused. When he was moved to the three he felt out of position. He isn’t used to being asked to do something different. He has to get his head right. I believe he made the first step after Miami when he changed his attitude and said ‘I just need to play better.’ Nate can’t force this along.

D. Portland is still at .600 and they’re not playing well. That’s pretty good for a bad team.

E. Portland has changed its’ line up 143 times this year. This is not an inflexible coach unwilling to try something new.

Ramble Ramble Ramble.

Like jscot I appreciate your argument not being a flamewar rant.

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by shenanigans on Dec 5, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

Thanks for the comment -

I guess my thought on Brandon’s situation is that if Nate, being a 45 year old man, a NBA veteran, and the coach of the team, is seeing his superstar struggling I’m going to make sure I know why. I can make all the assumptions I want about it, but I can’t know until I talk with him. For all we know Brandon is having marital problems and what’s going on with him has nothing to do with the team at all. As the coach, I need to know what my player is thinking so that I can give guidance and mentoring. Roy shouldn’t have to “fight” against a mental block at all, he should be convinced that what he is doing is good for the team and is willing to do whatever he needs to do to make the team succeed. The coach should be ensuring that that is the message Brandon hears in his head. Not “When I sacrifice, the team is worse for it.” That thought shouldn’t have even been in the realm of Brandon’s thought processes. He is not a skilled enough motivator/communicator in comparison to the talent/egos/expectations of this team. That is why I think Nate is not the man for the job.

As far as being Portland being .600 and not playing well, I would have to say that is even more discouraging. Again the job of the coach is to get his team to perform are their highest/peak performance level. A talented team at .600 not playing well just tells me that the coach is not getting the most out of his players. This team, based on talent level, could be undefeated right now. I’m not saying that it’s likely or even probable, but if you were basing records on roster talent and skill level, this team should be right at the top. Again, in my opinion Nate shouldn’t be the coach of this team.

OV

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Who else would you suggest

that has shown that he would likely get more out of his team?

I think that Nate has been able to keep a pretty good pulse on his players. If Roy were more ’Sheed-like with the media you would never have heard that quote. Would your point still stand if Brandon had said, “both teams played hard.” for the last three weeks?

People have to fight through their mental issues to break through and become more comfortable in their situations. I’ve had to do it in my life, Greg did it last year, Martell the year before, Joel the year he got his junk destroyed. Nate can help, but he can’t fix.

Again, I think there are few replacements that are better than Nate. The guys that are already have jobs.

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by shenanigans on Dec 5, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Great question...and to me it is "The Question"

I think JVG is a decent candidate. I don’t know if he’s the right kind of communicator for this team, but I do know his focus is on the ultimate prize (to win championships). He has the experience. If he can get the players to buy into his concepts, than I think he could do it. Plus he’s never won, so he’s just as hungry, if not more, than the players.

Byron Scott and Avery Johnson (if he learned from his past) would could have shot as well. Both have taken teams to the NBA Finals and that could be factor.

It may even be Monty Williams. It sounds like he has the players’ respect and communicates well with them. If Nate is let go, I could see him stepping up.

The reality is, this team has enough talent that even if they reach 85% of their max potential they could still win a championship, maybe multiple championships. As long as they find a coach who fills the needs of that position (i.e. someone who can keep the team focused, motivated, and ensure open communication amongst themselves), than I would be happy.

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

A lot of words spent to describe (and fabricate)

a saga that doesn’t exist. What gives is a professional and competent head coach on a team with growing pains. Nate is upstanding, with a big heart and a stiff spine. The “hate nate” and “fire Nate” crowd is superficial, pulling their own hair because they can’t reach far enough to pull on someone else. This “hate Nate” crowd doesn’t have a meritous basketball argument but they sure know how to create one out of thin air. It’s magic albeit black magic.

by oregonslee on Dec 5, 2009 9:39 AM PST reply actions  

No one is arguing that Nate isn't an upstanding, with a big heart and a stiff spine.

What were are discussing is whether or not he has the skills needed to maximize the potential of this team, which is blessed with ungodly talent, as efficiently and effectively as possible.

I am upstanding, I have a big heart. and I have a stiff spine..and, I agree, those are definitely values that I want to embody every day. However, just because I possess those values doesn’t mean that I possess the skills to get a particular job done. It doesn’t matter whether I’m a “good” person or a “bad” person, the mechanics of being an electrician, plumber, linguist, or basketball are the same for both.

Just because McMillan may possess those particular values, doesn’t mean he possesses the skills needed to take this team to the top. That is my argument. I don’t “hate” Nate or anything close to that. I truly wish him the best in life. I just don’t see him taking this team to a championship.

Sorry that my post got you riled up that was not my intention. I’m just looking for insightful conversation.

by OmoriumVerum on Dec 5, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Incredible Post OmoriumVerum

Since I have posted a rather long take of the team as I see it that also generated a lot of response as has this I will keep it short this time, because I don’t have much to add to this incredible post by OmoriumVerum. Like one several days ago by BlazerGuy, this is another very deep and insight analysis, just as I see it relating to Nate, though I focused more on the team and the specific players. From reading this, I would wonder if OmoriumVerum is a military officer or CEO, someone who has been the “coach” or witnessed excellence in “coaching” in other walks of life than sports. I fully understand that this posting is not about Nate, the person, but Nate the communicator, leader and coach. I agree that he hasn’t shown that he has what it takes to take this truly amazing group of players to the top. He truly doesn’t live up to what he says about playing those who earn it on the court or in practice. Once you credibility is shot and you have the “haves” and “have nots” on the roster, especially when as deep and as talented as our roster, you have problems. I think Nate’s style works on a team where there are one or two stars surrounded truly by role players. That is not, or would not be the case if Nate took the shackles off his thoroughbreds languishing from misuse. I see far more dissention and having to make lopsided trades not in our favor if KP is oblivious to what has been posted over the past week or so and either nudge Nate to see things differently and act accordingly, but I don’t know what KP thinks (just speculate) since he has been so quiet lately, and what could he say in public anyway.

Bottom line, OmoriumVerum’s post was remarkable for the depth of insight into what it akes to bea great coach and leader of men, much like a highly regarded general in the military who plays no favorites, levels absolutely straight with everyone and has them willing to go to battle and risk their lives if necessary. They are all in it together. Brandon’s comments don’t reveal that. Nate’s tright comments are the norm as noted in the original post. I would truly love to hear something insightful out of Nate’s mouth in his interviews. I agree it is his responsibility to get whatever he repeatedly states he wants from his players and team. It is his responsibility to get LA to have a tough post guy mentality who uses more than his incredible athleticism on both offense and defense. He will never be what he could be with his soft play. Brandon will never be the superstar he is said already to be if he can only do so when surrounded by “also-rans”. A superstar can be a superstar when surrounded by other stars. Brandon hasn’t yet shown he can, or is willing, to allow this. I would hope it is the former, because that could change with coaching. The later can become a cancer on a team.

by hoopsjunkie on Dec 5, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions  

Wow

1. Good post
2. I’m not jumping on the “Discharge Sarge” band wagon. (Thanks to SheedWasRight for that.)
3. There may come a time when I do agree that NM should go.
4. Communication is a big problem. Always. Everywhere.
5. I’m ignoring the whole he said/she said thread of this conversation. It’s a distraction.
6. Can’t remember seeing so many LONG comments in an FP. Gotta be a record of some kind. Does anybody actually read all of them straight through? I mean, except for jscot, but then he writes most of them.
7. I expected this FP to be about his injury. We need somebody to post an exhaustive analysis showing the injury is emblematic of his relationship with the team. I nominate nbf.

by CatMan2 on Dec 5, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions  

Rec'd..although I'd say give Nate rest of the year to work through it.

Very well thought-out and coherent arguments and I cannot say I can dispute a single one of your points. There’s just way too many posts lately with lack of supporting evidence and/or clarity. This is how you make an argument, no matter the idea that you are postulating is reasonable or out there.

It’s a shame that I can only give one rec for this post, because the time and effort that took to make this argument must be rather substantial.

by xedubx on Dec 5, 2009 5:08 PM PST reply actions  

This comment is very late, since the previous comment was made on Dec. 5th, but...

I have to clarify… I’m not jumping on a bandwagon, but if there is a “Discharge the Sarge” bandwagon, I guess I’m kind of straddling it.

I don’t profess to know what I’m talking about, but I can’t help the way I feel. I feel like a Nate’s success is real and earned, so I should add “Honorably Discharge the Sarge” to my slogan. But I can’t help it — I think he is peaking. I think his skills and style are perfect for a rebuilding team, but not for the second phase of our team that we have entered into now: which is, getting deep into the playoffs.

That’s all. Nothing more.

Again, I don’t know what I’m talking about, other than what I’ve seen from Nate since he joined the TB. He’s a good coach and a great guy, I just wish I could see these players orchestrated by someone else with more playoff experience and a craftier game strategy, like the Van Gundy bros, Nellie, or Adelman, etc. I think Nate may have peaked as a coach with the TB.

by Sheedwasright on Dec 7, 2009 2:19 PM PST reply actions  

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