Trade Drawer Supreme
by sparks89 on Dec 4, 2009 10:32 AM PST
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Print4 Team Trade: Portland, Charlotte, Utah, Chicago
Portland Trades: Martell Webster, Travis Outlaw, Joel Pryzbilla, Steve Blake, Jeff Pendergraph
Portland Receives: Kirk Hinrich, Gerald Wallace, Kryrylo Fesenko
PG: Miler/Hinrich/Bayless/…Mills
SG: Roy/Rudy/Bayless
SF: Batum/Wallace/Roy
PF: LA/Dante/Wallace
C: Oden/Fesenko
Why This Works: I know that almost everybody’s 90 year old grandma will castrate me for trading Joel Pryzbilla, saying “he’s the only security we have for Greg Oden, and we’ll get screwed when he fouls out in the 2nd quarter!!!” But calm granny down, get her to put down her ‘skinnin blade’ and put in the hearing aids. With Portland receiving two (2){dos} capable perimeter defenders, the PRESSURE will be off of Greg. How many of his fouls come because of little point guards getting around their man and jumping into Oden? about 70% I’d say (without a real stat at hand). Hinrich is an excellent passer and legitimate 3 pt threat, and Wallace is a bruiser and a REBOUNDER!!!!! Fesenko can back Greg up with 15-20 minutes a game and we can go small with LA and Wallace/Dante on the block too. Getting rid of Troutlaw is a given, we lose him at the end of the season anywho. Basically, upgrade at PG, upgrade at SF, opens up time for Rudy & Bayless, and best of all, GO gets the perimeter help he really needs.
Charlotte Trades: Gerald Wallace
Charlotte Gets: Steve Blake, Joel Pryzbilla
PG: Blake/Felton/Augustine/Law
SG: Jackson/Henderson/Blake
SF: Diaw/Jackson/Brown
PF: Chandler/Diaw/Brown
C: Pryzbilla/Chandler/Mohammed/Diop/Ajinca
Why this works: Larry Brown needs a tough big man (cuz Chandler’s as soft as 7 footers come) and a veteran PG to run his offense. Ray Felton’s gone after this year, he’s too expensive, and he won’t bring anything in with a trade. If anybody wanted him, they would’ve gotten him as a free agent over the summer. Only problem with this is that the Bobcats get pretty thin on wing player with Wallace gone, but slide Chandler to the 4, Diaw to his natural position at 3, and you’ve got a pretty good lineup, which is more than I can say for them now.
Chicago Trades: Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, John Salmons
Chicago Gets: Carlos Boozer, Martell Webster
PG: Rose/Pargo
SG: Webster/Hunter
SF: Deng/Webster/Johnson
PF: Boozer/Gibson/Johnson
C: Noah/Miller/James/Gray
Why this works: Do I need to go into depth? Boozer solves almost every problem for the Bulls. They can afford to shed Thomas with Taj Gibson doing so well, Hinrich is expendable with Pargo backing Rose up, and Salmons is really nothing special. He would fit in well with Utah’s balance offense. Getting Martell is just a bonus, and he provides the 3 point threat they’re missing with Gordon gone.
Utah Trades: Carlos Boozer, Kryrylo Fesenko
Utah Receives: Tyrus Thomas, Travis Outlaw, John Salmons, Jeff Pendergraph
PG: Williams/Maynor/Price
SG: Brewer/Salmons/Korver
SF: AK/Outlaw/Korver/Miles
PF: Millsap/Thomas/Outlaw/Pendergraph
C: Okur/Koufos
Why this works: They get something for Boozer. Almost enough said. They actually get plenty for Boozer, scoring from Salmons and Outlaw, rebounding from Thomas and Pendergraph. They had no defense to begin with from Boozer, but their strong perimeter D makes up for the lack of shot blocking power (Pendergraph could find a niche). Boozer’s gone come summertime, and probably to the Bulls anyway. Most importantly, Millsap gets his room to work.
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charlotte doesn't do it
gerald wallace is really good
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
they're the hold-up
but as the season gets closer to the February deadline, and Charlotte is guaranteed a lottery selection, they’ll be looking for a way to shed money. they’re spending way too much for how bad they are.
watch them get desperate, wallace will be available
I like your reasoning, but don't really agree
Charlotte has been building around Wallace, and will continue to do so (barring major injury)
Post players draw fouls on Oden as well
Especially in recent games. Lopez, Gasol, and Jermaine O’Neal all went right at him. And if there’s no one on the bench, then I guarantee they stick with it. What happens if Oden picks up two fouls in the first quarter? Does Fesenko get all those minutes?
by Ghostface_Przybilla on Dec 4, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions
in theory he would
but like I said, the good perimeter defenders will help in that regard. the ball will get to the post a lot less with good perimeter defenders pressuring the pass and double teaming. Oden’s getting better at guarding the big guys, and, while I’ll concede that Pryz is the best backup center in the league, it’s time to think championship. if we’re feeling vulnerable, switch Pendergraph out with Mills in the trade, he provides some insurance.
that's what nate operates with
except I’m tired of Blake and Outlaw getting minutes at all in the rotation, when we could get Bayless his minutes.
blake for Bass
Martell, Outlaw, Bayless, plus a first for gerald wallace
INFERO > Outlaw
Oden for Prez
I like the effort
but I don’t think the Bobcats do this, or the Bulls. Also why would Wallace want to be a back up? And you know Nate would play him off the bench as he can’t shoot the 3 to save his life, which is apparently a must for the 1 and 3 in the Blazers offense.
I would like to see a smaller trade, maybe Blake for Bass like CroRupt said. Large 4 team trades just don’t happen very often, but nice work.
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im pretty sure u cant trade an injured player. why do people keep putting trav in the mix?
by JlawloveshimsomeBROY on Dec 4, 2009 1:17 PM PST reply actions
sure you can
Remember Raef LaFrentz’ expiring contract? You can trade an injured player as long as the other team is cool with it. Outlaw is an expiring contract, so he has value even when injured.
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you can in real life
just not in NBA 2k10
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Dec 4, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
the thought of Przybilla and Chandler as teammates
is the most-amusing part of this complicated proposal
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
3 team Trade
From NY to Chicago – Al Harington, Nate Robinson
From Chicago to NY – Tyrus Thomas
From Chicago to Portland – Kirk Hinrich
From Portland to NY – Andre Miller
"Stay Humble"
by jlarose78 on Dec 4, 2009 5:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
The New York Knicks are in no position to add salary that lasts beyond 2010.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
When was the last time there was a 4 team trade?
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
This past off-season.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nba/2009442715_nba10.html
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
A Portland/Chicago 2-Team Trade
Portland recieves:
Hinrich (3yrs 9.5m)
Thomas (1yr 4.7m)
Portland picks up a defensive upgrade, shooter and stabilising force at PG in Hinrich, and a player who can defend the PF and SF (at a stretch in the absence of Batum) in Thomas, who will be out of contract at the end of the year
Chicago recieves:
Miller (3yrs 6.7m)
Outlaw (1yr 3.6m)
Pendergraph (3yrs 0.5m) AND/OR
2nd Rounder
Chicago considerably cuts their outlay on their backup point guard position in the run-up to a big free-agent summer by taking on Miller (I could perhaps see Miller being traded on again by Chi…), as well as recieving both a desperately needed scorer (as and when
he returns) and expiring contract in Outlaw. Finally they receive a prospect who it’s not harder to imagine they will be higher on than Tyrus, or if they are in full save mode, a pick which could be used on a foreign prospect stashed overseas.
So who doesnt make this trade?
Chicago
You expect Miller to play backup PG? Chicago doesn’t need that problem.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions
Yes and No
It’s essentially what he’s doing here, and at least in that situation, he’d be backing up someone he might not feel superior too in Rose
Like I say, I feel Chi primarily makes the trade for the cuts it offers going into a free agent summer, and probably shops miller on further (if anyone can find a workable three team trade with the third team taking miller, please show me!)
Plus we would have to add Webster to balance the trade.
Miller+Outlaw+Webster = $14.6M
Hinrich+ Thomas = $14.2M
We can do better than that. I don’t know if Hinrich has that much left in his tank.
Miller is now damaged goods when it comes to playing backup PG in this league. Not quite at the AI level, but there are yellow flags all over him now.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions
Or add Bayless or Blake
Miller+Outlaw+Bayless = $12.4 * 1.25 = $15.5M
Miller+Outlaw+Blake = $14.3M
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions
Do we need to balance the trade?
We have a bit of cap space for absorbing a lopsided trade, I’m not sure if this particularly trade works, because we cant yet stick it through the trade machine.
Who would you look at over Hinrich? a real priority for me would be defense at the pg spot to lift some of the pressure off the bigs
instead of particularly
read particular, d’oh! it’s late in England!
We only have $1.4M in cap space.
Not enough, Miller + Outlaw + cap space = $11.7M
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions
Traded Player Exception
Could the trade not be made without additions under the traded player exception?
All depends on how our current cap space fits into the equation.
Nope, still not enough.
Miller+Outlaw = 10.3 * 1.25 + 0.1 = $13.0M
I guess you had Pendergraph in the deal too, but that’s still not enough.
Pendergraph 0.5 * 1.25 = 0.6 so that’s $13.6M.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah.
I believe he’s about the same age Nash was when he went to Phoenix. He’s got plenty of years left.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 4, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I've just seen him in a few TV games this year and he looked slow and wore out.
Could he have been coming off an injury?
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 4, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Hand injuries.
I don’t think he’s lost a step yet. Maybe he just was having a rough night. Did you see him against the Celtics during the playoffs? They had him guarding Pierce, Allen, and Rondo depending on the lineup. His versatility as a defender is pretty amazing.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 4, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
He was great in the playoffs and I liked him previously.
I thought he would be a great acquisition. I must have just caught him in a couple bad games this year.
He thought he was coming to PDX last summer. Is he untouchable in Chicago now?.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 5, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
I doubt Chicago would trade him in a straight salary dump.
It would probably take Rudy or Bayless at least.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions
If the Chicago Bulls trade Kirk Hinrich, it'll be for expiring contracts.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
For sure.
It’s not like they don’t love him. Without Hinrich, Rose would have to defend all kinds of people he has no business trying to guard.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 4, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I love pipe dreams :)
For example:
From Portland to Chicago
Steve Blake (4,000,000)
Travis Outlaw (3,600,000)
Juwan Howard (825,497)
From Chicago to Portland
Kirk Hinrich (9,500,000)
Lindsay Hunter (825,497)
It would have to happen after December 17th and Hunter would have to agree, which is incredibly unlikely. All three outgoing contracts are expiring, which Chicago may find useful in conjunction with Jerome James’ and Brad Miller’s expiring contracts. However, Travis Outlaw is out and Kirk Hinrich is kind of important to the Bulls.
It's a tune-out fest.
If no players are re-signed then this leaves Chicago with just enough cap space for a max free agent, a shade over 23 million in cap space before changes to the cap.
Derrick Rose
Luol Deng
Joakim Noah
+ free agent, like…Chris Bosh?
It's a tune-out fest.
Wouldn't they still have Taj Gibson?
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
They would have six players under contract before any new signings, seven if they sign a max free agent.
Taj Gibson
Luol Deng
James Johnson
Derrick Rose
John Salmons
Joakim Noah
It's a tune-out fest.
That's not super terrible.
They could still get a couple rookies, maybe sign someone for the veterans minimum. Better than wallowing in mediocrity for the next three years.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 5, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions
They could get three rookies, and I'm not sure whether trade exceptions carry over to new seasons but they currently have three of them, two large exceptions from Nocioni and Sefolosha trades and one veteran minimum sized exception.
I’m sure they could reach the twelve man roster, it would just be a tight squeeze.
It's a tune-out fest.
Well, Blake is a better passer and shockingly a better defender if you pay any attention to opposition PER production.
But then some wouldn’t.
Still, he’d be a good fit in the offense providing he can pass a ball into the post.
It's a tune-out fest.
I'd rather make a small trade like
Blake for Daniel Gibson. We have a pretty good chance at re-signing Outlaw and if we can’t get equal value for him then we shouldn’t give up on him.
I think Portland will want to keep 'billa right now
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