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Around the NBA: Volume 2

We skipped this feature last week because of the Thanksgiving weekend, but here are some ruminations about what's going on around the league.

First, well-wishes go out to Maurice Lucas as he continues to battle with bladder cancer.  Luke was tough, ornery, and feared as a player but he's also one of the most stand-up guys you'll ever meet and a wonderful person to talk to.  We owe a debt to him for much of the analysis we were able to do in the earliest days of Greg Oden's career, which turned out to be pretty much spot-on.  Maurice's return to Portland has helped the team and the greater Blazer community and as part of that community we certainly are thinking about and offering all of our support to him.

We also continue to remember owner Paul Allen as he fights his fight against cancer.  It is my sincere hope, shared by all I'm sure, that the next one of these I do doesn't have to start with get-well hopes for any more members of the Blazer family.

The Nets Break the Record

The New Jersey Nets have now officially broken the NBA record for the worst start to a season ever.  What are you going to do?  The roster is a mess.  Coach Lawrence Frank is out, GM Kiki Vandeweghe is in with ultra-veteran coach Del Harris by his side making suggestions but nothing is going to help this franchise in the short run.  Rumor has it that their television coverage has been switched over to the "NO" network.  Also Ed McMahon knocked on their door yesterday and told them they may already have won John Wall.

Click through for more on the Nets and other stories from around the league...

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Nets continued...

I don't really feel sorry for management.  The team has been in a slow decline since they got to the Finals in 2002-03.  Vince Carter kept them on life support but he's always been more of a ticket-seller than a franchise-changer.  Devin Harris was their best pick-up but other than that they've made a series of poor choices.

I don't feel sorry for ownership as they're selling the team anyway.  They won't be crying over this for long.

I don't even feel that sorry for the fans.  As Blazer fans well know at a certain point you stop counting wins and losses and gauge the progress of your team by individual performances, putting together decent quarters and halves, and eventually lottery position.  0-18 stinks but would anybody feel better if the team was 3-15 instead?  Hey, if you're going to experience something, go all out.  It'll make the story better when you re-tell it years down the road.

The people I feel sorry for are the players.  There are some decent guys on that roster, including Trenton Hassell and Jarvis Hayes.  They didn't ask for this.  Also I feel sad when any player has to waste a year of an already-short career.  Being 14.5 games behind the division leader when you've only played 18 qualifies as a waste.  It must be eating at them pretty good in the locker room right now and I hope they get the monkey off their backs soon and see better days after.

I also feel sorry for the first team the Nets beat.  Welcome to your national headlines.  I don't suppose they could hold out until December 19th and then beat the L*kers?

Rotten Apples

Across the river the Knicks are falling apart at the seams also, starting the season 4-15.  Fans are already discontented with coach Mike D'Antoni, both for his system and because he's playing too many veterans on a squad that has little chance of winning and every need for development.  D'Antoni, meanwhile, is discontented with point guard Nate Robinson whom he benched for the entire game in the Knicks' last outing versus Orlando.  D'Antoni's problem is rumored to be Robinson's defense.  This comes as a shock to many who assumed the only "D" he cared about came before an apostrophe.  Nonetheless if you're a quick scoring guard who can't play for that coach you had probably better check yourself...something's wrong.  It's like Captain Kirk refusing to kiss you.  Dude's kissed green women and oozing gelatinous beings from other galaxies.  What the heck is the matter with you?

This continues the Knicks' saga as the most dysfunctional franchise in the league by far.  At some point there should be a rule that they can't get LeBron James next summer.  This kind of behavior shouldn't be rewarded.

AI Goes Home

Allen Iverson has found a home (maybe) back in Philly.  He's signed a non-guaranteed contract with the Sixers.  It's a low-risk move for Philadelphia.  They're not winning anyway and they might be the one non-contending team that Iverson will play for peacefully...as long as they give him minutes.  If he doesn't they just 86 him...no harm, no foul.  Casual fans will eat up the signing and it'll create buzz around a team that was ailing.   It's not the most intriguing destination for Iverson but it makes sense.  Decent move.

Artest:  Four Quarters and a Fifth 

Ron Artest is now saying he drank during halftime when he was a member of the Chicago Bulls.  Hey...I'm sure he drove his coaches to do the same.  Despite the shocking nature of the story, even if it's true it seems like non-news.  We all knew something was wrong back then.  Identifying part of it hardly counts as a revelation at this point.  It's a little like Paris Hilton admitting she dated a heretofore unidentified sleazebag when she was younger.  Really?  Who'd have guessed?  And like most of the things from the "Bad Paris" days this move by Artest feels self-serving and publicity-oriented.   Next step in the master plan:  marry Carmen Electra.  Yawn.  You're just not that shocking anymore, Ron.  Play ball.

Brandon Jennings Tears Up the League 

Future Rookie of the Year Brandon Jennings has had a fine introduction to the NBA.  Averaging 21.5 points, 6 assists, and 4 rebounds on the season his name is on the tip of everyone's tongue.  On the one hand I am duly impressed as well.  This guy has got some moves and seems created for the NBA game.  On the other hand dude's taking 19 shots per game on a bad team, often topping 20.  His overall shooting percentage is fine but he's had some horrific nights.  Nobody else is going to take those shots for Milwaukee right now so you can't blame him.  But I always like to wait a while before anointing these guys with a Solomon of Awesome Sauce.  The Bucks wouldn't be 9-8 without him but they won't be more than that with him until we find out whether he plays well with others.

Blake Griffin Still Down and Out

The Clippers' #1 overall pick Blake Griffin is going to be out until January at least.  Blazer fans know exactly how painful that can be.  While this in no way can be described as good for the Clips I don't think it'll hurt them as much as it seems.  I actually like the way they're playing this year as opposed to last even without Griffin.  They're starting to gel a little, they're playing better defense, they seem to be finding themselves a little.  I don't think they were going to be that great this year even with Griffin playing.  His introduction to the team and the league would have been full of unrest as the team figured out how to cope with his advent while still finding itself.  If the Clippers can keep playing solidly they'll create a much stronger pocket around him which should enhance his ability to contribute meaningfully.  In the long run his effect might be bigger this way.

T-Mac Tug of War

The drama continues in Houston as Tracy McGrady completes the final stages of his rehab and Rockets coach Rick Adelman tries to decide if and when he really wants him back.  It's not a good sign when you're one of the stars of the franchise and management is dawdling on the timetable for your return.  The Rockets are doing well enough anyway.  They're trying to build towards a stronger future where attitude and effort count as much as name power and talent.  Sounds like a mismatch at this point.  If you can't trade him, just tell him to go home.  Chemistry counts.  Besides, it's not like he makes enough difference to win you a title. 

You Scored 115 and Still Got Blown Out?

The Toronto Raptors played the Atlanta Hawks on Wednesday night, shot 52% from the field, over 62% from the three-point arc, earned 34 free throws and still lost by 31 points.  Everyone who played more than 14 minutes for the Hawks got into double figures and Atlanta ended up with 146 points on the evening.  With guys like Turkoglu, Bargnani, Calderon, and Belinelli playing major minutes and no central defensive presence to speak of I don't think there's any scheme that's going to fix what ails them.  Sometimes scoring just isn't enough...a concept that has made quite a comeback since the heady days when the Suns seemed the team of the future in the NBA.

From A to Z-Man

Zydrunas Ilgauskas just became the franchise leader for games played for the Cleveland Cavaliers.  This offers hope to franchises like the Rockets and Blazers whose own centers have undergone injury problems.  Of course Ilgauskas is a different type of center than Yao or Oden but SHHHHH!  It's hope!

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com

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It would be fun

if the Nets got their first win against LA. If not, having it against Utah wouldn’t be bad, either….

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 4, 2009 1:29 AM PST reply actions  

Dave,

What’s the deal with people being so suspicious of Jennings? Since when do we need to find out “whether he plays well with others”? He does.

He has an assist ratio of 30%. (Rose posted a 28.8 as a rookie) He’s making Ersan Ilyasova and Andrew Bogut look better than they are. His teammates rave about him. Scott Skiles hasn’t benched him for being selfish. (which really says something) What is there to indicate that he isn’t a willing and gifted passer? Why the hemming and hawing? Could you really ask for anything more? I can’t remember the last time a player had so much preemptive criticism. He didn’t score much in Europe and it wasn’t because he wasn’t capable.

If Ricky Rubio was doing the exact same thing he would be considered the greatest thing since sliced bread. A brash kid from Compton does it and it seems like everyone has to add a “but” after every compliment. It’s almost like some people (not you of course) are a little disappointed by his success, either because it shattered their own predictions of him or because he just rubs them the wrong way.

He’s doing exactly what he should be doing, and he’s doing it better than any rookie PG in recent memory. To be fair you did suggest that the Blazers take a look at Jennings and Collison. Really good call on both those. I just think it’s waaaay too soon to hint that Jennings might be anything but a team player.

Actually, forget it, Jennings is selfish. He deprived the world of his flat top fade in favor of a haircut that’s way less interesting. He’s dead to me.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 4, 2009 2:42 AM PST reply actions  

I'm not left handed.

I didn’t know that about him. I take it all back. He’s a freak of nature. What he’s doing is unnatural and he should be punished for being such an abomination.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 4, 2009 3:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Sinister, I call it

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 4, 2009 3:10 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Indeed.

I should not sarcastically mock someone I don’t completely agree with.

by pxilpooshr on Dec 4, 2009 4:18 AM PST up reply actions  

That makes him the opposite of dexterous.

ἰδοὺ ἐνίκησεν ὁ λέων ὁ ἐκ τῆς φυλῆς Ἰούδα, ἡ ῥίζα Δαυείδ...

Καὶ εἶδον ἐν μέσῳ τοῦ θρόνου καὶ τῶν τεσσάρων ζώων καὶ ἐν μέσῳ τῶν πρεσβυτέρων ἀρνίον ἑστηκὼς ὡς ἐσφαγμένον,

Blazersedge.com || New to Blazers' Edge?

by T Darkstar on Dec 4, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

He's malt-o-dextrous

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Dec 4, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Gauche, even.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Dec 4, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He still has to learn to play at anything other than full speed. That together with more experienced players around was what kept him on the bench in Europe a lot, always going go go go. He’s definitely a scoring guard, but with Redd about done and the other personnel around him nobody can fault Jennings for taking those shots. And he hits them well. The year in Europe has helped his defense and his basic understanding of the game (e.g. using picks) a lot.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Dec 4, 2009 4:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I wish I could do a flat top fade.

But alas, I’m white :(

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Dec 4, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Dre

according to Yahoo. sports Dre might be shopped by Blazers after Dec 15th

by DowntownVinnie on Dec 4, 2009 7:52 AM PST reply actions  

Drive By Characterization of the Knicks

Very sorry to see that one of my favorite NBA blogs has resorted to such superficial analysis. Are the Knicks disappointing this year? Yes, but we’re talking about two or three more wins (at best ) that they could have had if they were playing up to expectations, which means they would be slopping around with the other disappointing teams in the East (Philly, Toronto, Bulls, Bobcats, Wizards).

It takes a long time to undo years of mismanagement, and the current administration is sticking to the plan, even if it means this season has to be lost. Have they made some questionable decisions at the margins? Sure, but they’ll still be a much better team in the next couple of years, even If I don’t personally think Lebron is coming. I’d rather deal with this now as a Knick fan than face the futures of the Bobcats, Sixers, Wizards, Raptors, or Warriors. The Knicks aren’t the most dysfunctional franchise by a long shot…for many years, yes, but I really don’t believe it any more.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, though — if the Nets do manage to get their first win against the Knicks this weekend, there will be a lot more of this painting with a broad brush. Including on this blog, since there happens to be a Blazers-Knicks game on Monday.

Personally, this reads just like if I posted that the Blazers are ripe for the picking on Monday because Roy’s been selfish, Miller’s a bad fit, and I quoted Woj chapter and verse on how overrated KP is.

by BandwagonK on Dec 4, 2009 7:57 AM PST reply actions  

Regarding the New York Knicks "current administration," here's advice from a know-nothing like me.
“The New York Knicks should avoid Tyrus Thomas, who’s not the long-term solution to anything positive. Right now, Donnie Walsh should be looking to move Eddy Curry and Jared Jeffries for expiring contracts — even if it costs Jordan Hill and Wilson Chandler, who are overrated — and look to add someone overhyped by casual fans like Tracy McGrady as a short-term boon in ticket sales.

Step #1: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5308699
Step #2: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5308691
Step #3: http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5308684

1. David Kahn may soon get desperate and drop his patient approach, with a young wing scorer — albeit an inefficient one — like Wilson Chandler filling a major hole.
2. Geoff Petrie could want a young guy with size like Jordan Hill, even if he’s the nothing more than the next Drew Gooden/Chris Wilcox.
3. Daryl Morey may get tired of Tracy McGrady pushing to come back from microfracture surgery, so moving him at all costs — with insurance $ being a big as reason as on-court chemistry — might become a priority like Cabby predicted awhile ago.

[…]

Oh, and if New York Knicks CEO James Dolan needs to include cash considerations to sweeten any of those trade proposals — or even if Donnie Walsh must add youngster Toney Douglas to the Eddy Curry/Wilson Chandler for Mark Blount/Brian Cardinal deal to help satisfy David Kahn’s batty point guard fetish — then so be it. Dolan and Walsh must start clearing the books for the summer of 2010, pronto!

Right now, a theoretical Al Harrington for Tyrus Thomas and filler (e.g., Jerome James) deal should be put on hold until Dolan and Walsh handle the more pressing business matters that are at hand. Ugh, I just can’t fathom why Walsh hasn’t gotten the ball rolling yet—especially when it’s been reported that he could’ve dealt Jared Jeffries and Nate Robinson away for Kenny Thomas’ soon to expire contract before last season’s trade deadline."

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/12/3/1183607/go-ducks#26542479

So, while I agree with you that tanking this season is the best course of action for the Knicks, the fact that Walsh hasn’t cleared more future salary off the books in preperation for the summer of 2010 boggles my mind. My guess is Walsh overrates guys such as Hill and Chandler, which’ll come back to bite him in the rear if he can’t drop Curry and Jeffries’ overpriced contracts by this season’s trade deadline.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 4, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Good Thoughts

I’m sure if Walsh could pull off some of those deals, they would, but they assume other teams value Curry and Chandler and Hill. Maybe they do, but not as much as your trade scenarios presume. Or presumably, not enough to make teams take on deadweight like Curry.

What has hurt the Knicks’ plan is the turn the economy took and the shrinking of the cap. Walsh has done well to clear what he can, but all other teams are watching their $ pretty tightly at this point, so getting rid of Curry probably won’t happen until 2011. As far as the deal you mention regarding dealing Jeffries/Robinson for Thomas, two different reporters have said that was never close to happening.

by BandwagonK on Dec 4, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me at all if the Jared Jeffries/Nate Robinson for Kenny Thomas trade ...

proposal from last season that was reported in some outlets was indeed bogus.

http://dimemag.com/2009/02/nba-trade-rumor-nate-robinson-to-the-kings/

According to the above report, it was sources for ESPN who’d spread the rumor. Regardless of that, though, it didn’t happen for one reason or another, so it’s a moot point nowadays.

Anyway, the down economy has definitely put the New York Knicks between a rock and a hard place. It’ll be interesting to see how the front office there handles this tumultuous situation, however.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 4, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I think you overestimate any other gm in the league wanting anybody on the knicks if they have to take curry or jefferies

who trades big for a role player* if it costs the m10 million bucks extra bucks a year?

*chandler, robinson, lee, and gallinari are not present or future stars.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Dec 4, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions  

ed?

too soon. too soon.

dinasour type of guys choir boys

by mittsabishy on Dec 4, 2009 8:32 AM PST reply actions  

Honestly: I don't think the Nets are this bad

They came close in a few games during the stretch. They have some pieces, as we saw against the Blazers.

I think Minnesota is worse. I bet Memphis finishes with a worse record, also.

by chnews on Dec 4, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions  

I got a feeling the Nets will get their first win over the Bobcats

Final score 97-91

Book it!

Start Andre Miller NOW to showcase him for a trade.

by tominhawaii on Dec 5, 2009 4:29 AM PST reply actions  

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