Who's To Blame?
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So here we are, in the midst of a three-game losing streak...a total case of shock and "awwww" for Blazer fans across the globe. This team hasn't seen a three-game losing streak since December 9th-12th of last season when we lost to the Magic at home, the Jazz on the road, and the Clippers again at home in overtime. And before that we hadn't seen a three-game losing streak since the first three games of the previous season, one in which we ended up 41-41. Well, I suppose we should probably mention that in between those latter two three-game streaks the Blazers lost five straight to a lineup of opponents including the Sixers, Wizards, Bobcats, and Nets. After that they won a game versus the Kings before dropping four more straight. Then later that year they dropped five in a row again. And then they did it again towards the end of the year. And oops! In all of those other losing streaks I managed to miss another three-gamer that technically did occur after the one I just cited. In that .500 season we saw so many losing streaks I can't keep them straight.
Nevertheless, in the quest to get to the bottom of this one a single question has repeated in various forms in numerous forums, including this one. It's a question that's repeated after nearly every loss, streaky or not: Who is to blame for this?!?
The question has its roots in our culture, I believe. I remember when the news about the Columbine shootings broke the story wasn't twenty minutes old before people were calling in to radio stations pinning the blame on the parents. I've learned since to avoid reading the comment section of any online news source when they report a story where something goes wrong. You'll read a laundry list of posts blaming the situation on Bush or the Demmycrats or the mayor or the police or liberals or the ACLU or judges or Outer Mongolians whether or not any of those individuals, groups, or philosophical outlooks address the matter in any way. It's human nature. If we can pin the blame for something on Subset A of society while identifying ourselves firmly as being outside of that subset (us being good parents or having the right political leanings or what have you) then the laws of simple cause and effect guarantee that said wrong will never happen to us. Now what was I doing before that story inconvenienced me? Ah yes...
"Gilligan!" "Sorry, Skipper."
I must admit that I see a fair amount of this phenomenon in my day job in the church. It's present in the occasional bout of parochialism, of course, but it imbues even the positive aspects of the church-pastor relationship. What do you suppose people want in a sermon? Along with the God-stuff comes this mantra: Keep it simple, keep it short, and bring it to a level I can understand. And indeed I try. But even as I do so I am aware of the cosmic folly of trying to reduce what is for those who follow this calling (and I'm not saying you have to or should in order to understand this example) the most complex subject in the universe. Dealing with something both overarching and foundational at once and well beyond the capacity of our minds to comprehend we are compelled to distill it into what amounts to an easily accessible, memorable, palatable sound bite. Too often it's inadequate despite our best efforts. This is one of the reasons that I have disliked every single religious billboard I've ever seen. As someone who trades in the written word myself I feel for God as he experiences that kind of editing.
"I'm curious to see what you did with that manuscript I left you. I thought maybe it was coming across a little preachy so I hoped you would...WHOA! FOUR WORDS??? You left in FOUR WORDS??? Do you know how long it took me to write that?!?"
When approaching something esoteric our instinct is to reduce a matter to the simplest explanation possible. If something in that esoteric field is going wrong we then find somebody to be the fall guy in our explanation...someone outside of the circle which includes us and the people we know and care about.
This works really well in the abstract. Most real-life situations are more complex, though. And most real-life people have far more depth than just being "The Guy Who Did It" (duh-duh-duuuuuummmmm). But that reality demands of us more than we're willing to give to most causes so we settle for the obvious, efficient solution.
Circling around to the topic again, who is to blame for the terrible predicament we find ourselves in as Blazer fans, having lost three straight games?
Perhaps it's Brandon Roy? His offensive game hasn't looked as sharp as usual this year and he's pretty much forced the team to play good defenders around him...a commodity we're currently fresh out of. On the other hand he's also playing with a bunch of guys in new roles who don't yet have the understanding to play alongside him or the tools to match him.
Maybe it's LaMarcus Aldridge then. His offense has looked even spottier than Roy's, certainly shy of the clear #1A option we're used to. His rebounding has been intermittent and he's stayed out of the lane like he's allergic to paint. On the other hand the Blazers have set him up to take mid-range jumpers because they have a true post-player now and keep clogging the lane with him and with cutters. They've also relied on their forwards to rotate to perimeter players which tends to cut down on rebounding opportunities.
Maybe it's Greg Oden. He's been doing well compared to his progress last year but he's still not at first-overall-pick level and his transformation of the team has been a disruption offensively in addition to being an aid defensively. Then again if he's not a transformational presence then he's not doing what we brought him here for.
Maybe Steve Blake is the one. His shooting has been sub-par and he's not been able to stop people individually. His forays into attack dribbling have been disastrous more often than not. But he's also been asked to play out of position with the same kind of altered lineup that his backcourt partner Roy is facing. Plus he's been yanked around by the organization and his position and/or future here isn't clear.
Could it be Martell Webster? He's been up and down like a roller coaster. But he's also all but mandated to play because he can shoot outside and has the body to absorb punishment from small forwards and both of those are attributes this lineup needs. We'd certainly be worse off without him playing.
Perhaps we should blame Rudy Fernandez. He started the season poorly, perhaps fatigued from international play. He's made some exciting plays and had some nice games but he's not found a rhythm yet and he's another guy who has hurt as well as helped. But then again if you don't let Rudy make some mistakes you lose the aggression and daredevil nature from his game...the very things which make him special.
Maybe it's Andre Miller. He was supposed to man the helm for this team, provide veteran experience, be another coach on the floor. Instead he's struggling with the coach, taking odd shots, and looking as confused as anybody. Of course he's coming into a strange situation where he's not been given the keys to the car by the coach or his teammates, so how is he supposed to drive?
Could Joel Przybilla be the culprit? He plays hard every night but his contributions are limited to rebounding and defense. Plus when he's pressed too hard defensively he has a hard time covering the floor without fouling which takes away much of the advantage he gives us. And his offense allows opposing defenders to devote extra men to the true scorers. But he's Joel Przybilla! His rebounding and lane-watching have been our silent security blanket and the already-decimated frontcourt would be all but obliterated without him.
Maybe Jerryd Bayless is to blame. He's showing more energy and compact play this year but he's still not in the flow of the offense and his shot is still kind of ugly. Maybe he should have worked harder on the jumper in the off-season. But he, too, has been asked to do things he's not naturally suited for. Plus the things he does do well he does very well.
Perhaps it's Dante Cunningham. He's a rookie and it's good to blame rookies. They have a hard time arguing back when they're hauling veteran luggage up the stairs. He suffers from plenty of rookie mistakes. But then again he brings an energy and confidence--brashness, even--that the team needs. And he's just a rookie!
If you don't like blaming rookies, how about Juwan Howard then? He's 36. He should know this league inside-out. But he's never been able to bring extra wins to teams he's played for. Plus he's having a hard time defending. But he's also one guy on the team who seems aware of his role and is willing to fill it, be that 25 minutes or zero. Besides he hasn't really played enough to blame things on.
Well maybe it's the Fates, then. They injured Nic Batum, Travis Outlaw, Jeff Pendergraph, Patty Mills. They even got in a shot at LaMarcus the other night. Those Fates are a cursed plague! Except that every NBA team deals with injuries at one time or another and if you have to blame them consistently you're sunk before you start.
OK, who put this mess together then? Kevin Pritchard, front and center please! You have to answer for the draft choices, the trades, for building this roster that can't withstand its forward corps being blown to smithereens and still win 70% of its games! How could you possibly leave us with only Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden, Rudy Fernandez, and Andre Miller? I mean, what NBA GM would be satisfied with that?
Ahhh...I can hear you out there. We're getting warmer, aren't we? Hmmm...maybe it's...THE COACH! YES! The coach did it! We love the players. We can't really blame them because we want them to be part of the "us" circle. We love KP too, if nothing else for the team he's put together on paper. No championship dreams without him. But coaches? They're disposable. Every decision they make is arguable. Everything they do to advantage one player disadvantages another...a player who is sure to be somebody's favorite. And the criteria for evaluating them is as nebulous as the answer to the question: "What makes good basketball?" Good luck coming up with an answer that will satisfy everyone. Not even wins will do it! You can still win and be playing far below your "potential", whatever that is. If we win at a .666 pace it should be .700. If we win at .700 it should be .750. Best of all, nobody really knows what's being said or done behind closed doors so we can make up whichever explanation suits us best. Reduce! Simplify! Explain! Pin! It's perfect!
So yes, maybe it is the coach. I assume he's going to make mistakes, have good and bad games just like his players do. 10-year NBA veterans still commit errors out on the floor. 10-year veteran coaches do too. Greg Oden probably hasn't been featured (or left out there) enough. The Andre Miller situation has slipped too far. Brandon Roy was forced into a high-pressure situation against Miami the minute he was put out there with four other guys who can't create their own shots. Like many, I'd like to see what a Miller, Roy, Fernandez, Aldridge, Oden lineup could do, especially since we're not defending the perimeter that well anyway. I could go on, just as I could have with any of the above people.
On the other hand, what's the guy going to do? He's sailing a ship with the midsection blown out right now. Everybody's bailing water. He's calling for people off the bench who aren't there. He's starting people who aren't ideally suited for the tasks in front of them. And realistically no matter what he does people are going to complain. How many times have you read, "Why isn't he playing [Player X] more?!?" and "I can't believe he's playing [Player X}!!!" in the same comment thread? Oden stays in and gets fouls? Nate's not managing his minutes right. Oden comes out before he can get fouls? Nate's stifling his progress. Losses...every one his fault. Wins? Not to his credit. Getting blamed sometimes can be fair. But it's different when there's no way you're not going to get blamed.
Here's something to think about. Maybe it's us. Lord knows we tend to anticipate more than evaluate when we assess the Blazers' chances. I had people two years ago telling me for sure that this was a playoff team, probably destined for some success. I had people last year telling me we were a Western Conference Finals team. I've had people telling me this year that we have a shot a title when that's clearly among the longest of long shots for exactly the reasons we're seeing. Every team undergoes difficulties. Teams such as we--young-ish, not a ton of experience with each other, without a track record of legitimate success--take longer to recover from their difficulties and restore their confidence and groove than do teams who have been pressure-cooked longer. The difference might ultimately be only a few games, but those few games usually spell the difference between good and great.
Or maybe it's us because we're impatient. 2 games out of the division lead with 62 to go isn't enough. Like the lovely and enchanting Veruca Salt we want our golden goose egg NOW!
Or maybe it's us because secretly in our heart of hearts hides a part that would rather be an "expert" than just a fan of a winning team along with everyone else...a part that loves the sound of its own voice...a part which would rather be right than happy.
Ahhh...but then we can also blame those Blazer teams of yore for stirring this longing for success in us: Walton for kindling the championship flame, Drexler for leaving us just short and longing, Wallace and company for dashing our souls after coming so close. And we can blame the marketing department for those catchy slogans that enticed us into dreaming. And we can blame David Stern for keeping us down. And we can blame refs for screwing us. And we can blame opposing teams for their luck against us. And we can blame the media for distorting our vision. And we can blame Dr. James Naismith for hanging up that peach basket in the first place. Anything as long as it's quick, easy, and preferably cathartic for us.
This is not to say that all criticism is illegitimate, nor that we lack good analysis among Blazer fans. You can read a bunch of it around here and I appreciate those posts greatly. But it's generally true that the level of illumination in a post is inversely proportional to the level of blame cast within it.
Who's to blame? In truth, all of the above. The Fates have hit this roster at spots where it doesn't have the right kind of depth which has forced everyone to scramble in unfamiliar territory which has lengthened the adjustment process for everyone, coaching staff included, and left certain situations in which there just have not been right answers sufficient enough to ensure the level of play which heightened expectations for the season demanded.
Brandon Roy was pressing hard on offense in the last game because of a combination of the skills of the players around him and the perceptions of his role put upon him by himself, the coaching staff, and the fans. The players around him were not able to respond in such a fashion as to alleviate said pressure nor was the coaching staff in a position to find new ones. The more Roy plays the role of savior the less involved in the offense his teammates feel and the more they're inclined to stand and watch and/or force attempts, making Brandon's role seem even more necessary.
Greg Oden and Joel Przybilla have been getting in foul trouble because of the lack of lateral quickness and appropriate size among the perimeter defenders which in itself is caused by the team accumulating players for whom that is not a forte. In response said defenders have sagged off to help protect the lane and their centers which in turn has allowed the opponent easier jumpers. When made, these make the defense look even weaker, causing the centers to drift out of position in anticipation or rescue, exacerbating the problem.
We could go on. Lamarcus' offense, pick and roll defense, playing time and development of younger guys, starting lineups, trades...there are answers for all of these things but none of them are foolproof and none are simple. Decisions will be made, imperfection will ensue, blame will be assigned, eyes (and perhaps heads) will roll. That's the way of things, for better or worse.
The truth as far as I can see it is this: The Blazers are in a less-than-ideal situation right now...certainly not the one they envisioned themselves in. There's no quick fix to make that situation ideal. We don't even know for sure if it would be more ideal if they had the full roster available. They haven't had enough time together to show that yet.
In this kind of situation only one question matters: How well do you deal with the less-than-ideal? Will you fall apart, point fingers, check out mentally, give up? Or do you pull together, grab every win you can, take the losses you have to, but always work to put the best game together that's humanly possible given your circumstances? Your answer to that question doesn't just determine your success during the rough times. It's also the same resolve that's going to be tested as you approach the pinnacle and very good opposing teams make life very tough on you for seven games straight.
And you see, that question can't be answered by one person. It can't be answered by one person for another either. It can't be done by a coach or a GM. You can't do it with half your roster. It's something that everyone has to answer together and live up to or it's meaningless. The blame falls on everybody or on nobody because you either do it or you don't as a team.
Many defensive schemes can succeed. Many kinds of offensive players can have great nights. Most teams can find multiple lineups that work together well enough to give a chance at victory. Without that team commitment, though, none of it is any good. Without everybody together--in praise and in blame--you quickly get carved apart as every opponent you meet drives a wedge right through the crack that you showed them.
Maybe everybody is to blame. Maybe nobody is. Some nights it might really be one person or another. But when it comes down to it, the question of blame means less than we make of it. The game is bigger than that. The team needs to be bigger than that. So should we be.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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ugh I was so preparing to post this
while reading Dave’s post
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
by cloudydays on Dec 3, 2009 3:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
it's a rec anyways
well played sir
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
green
"I would (nsfbedge) Rosie O'Donnell for a million dollars" - AK1984
by Starvin' Marvin on Dec 3, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions
Sorry Dave But Nate is not just a scapegoat.
Yeah I understand that it is human nature to blame “something”
But the simple truth is that nate has consistently shown an inability
to lead this team. It’s not blaming, most of the people on this sight are
actually analyzing and drawing legitimate conclusions. The vast majority
of fans who have seen everything unfold on this team believe that nate has
not identified the strengths and weaknesses of this team and therefore has
not been able to formulate a system which will maximize the overwhelming
amount of potential this team possesses. Maybe those fans are right.
Quite frankly I think nate is totally outclassed by his own roster, He’s in way over his head
and cannot bring himself to admit the truth, that he has no idea how to handle this awesome
machine called the Portland Trail Blazers.
You should resign nate, If you care about your players. Let them learn from a real coach.
“Sometimes a man has to be big enough to see how small he is” (3:10 to Yuma)
Bravo
I’ve been meaning to put together my own (entirely non-Blazer-related) essay on this exact subject for some time (IE: the need to assign absolute blame in our society). Thanks for doing such an awesome job hitting the salient points.
Nice post, Dave
Really good stuff.
To be fair, though, I think you may be a little hard on the “blame fixing syndrome”. A lot of the “blame” being passed around is not so much focused on “blame”, even if it is expressed that way, as it is proposing solutions.
Not that many people care if we lost to Memphis or Utah or Miami or all three, or why. The main thing most people care about is that we actually stop losing games like that. And most of the discussion is forward looking, how to have things be better next game, than backward looking. Those who look back do so to buttress their argument for what the future should be like. (I’m not talking about the rants in the first few hours after a loss, but the discussions that follow).
Now, all of the things you said about fixing blame are on the money, but it isn’t always about “wanting to be right” so much as it is (at least sometimes) about wanting people to listen because you “know” that you have the solution that would help solve this problem.
Sure, there might be some ego involved in that — “if only people would listen to ME.” But at least as often, it is “if only people would listen to THIS THING that I am saying which would solve/prevent this problem in future. I KNOW it is the answer, and the world would be so much better if people would listen to THIS SOLUTION.” Sure, we’re all very selfish, but we’re also social people who care about problems being solved, too. Like everything else in life, we may not have pure motives when we affix blame, but like everything else in life, we probably don’t usually have entirely selfish or malicious motives, either.
But of course, the whole THIS SOLUTION mindset brings us to the rest of your post — which we could perhaps boil down to the fact that few problems have extremely simple solutions, that even if the simple solution would work it may be impossible to implement, that most problems are complex, and that some problems are simply not preventable and it is improper to always affix blame or proclaim a particular solution.
In this case, though, this whole discussion is useless, because I know who to blame. I learned it on the front page of Blazersedge. The idiots on the sidebar know nothing about blame, the commenters are clueless. The answer was right there on the front page just a couple days ago.
I blame Ben.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Which one?
I rambled forever, as usual….
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
The problem is we lost
The answer is far above my expertise, but I bet winning would help.
In reality, I do not know what the problem is and by far, I don’t have any of the answers, other then sticking it out together.
hg
by BBK on Dec 3, 2009 6:39 AM PST up reply actions
How's this for a forward looking solution...
I would like Brandon Roy to find a time machine, go back to this summer, quit worrying about his contract, quit riding bikes and swimming, and get his butt in a gym with a basketball for 8 hours a day like Lebron James, Kobe Bryant, Chris Paul, and everyone else in the league who aspires to be first or second team All NBA.
Sorry. Not productive. But I would like Brandon to do that next summer.
As for this year, I would like the Blazers to play B-Rex as much as possible, because (cue the chorus) Blake/Miller are not leading this team to championship contention over the next couple years. Somebody has to run the point. Most of the problems facing the Blazers – lack of depth at the three, perimeter D, etc. – are temporary. Uneven point guard play is the one problem that won’t fix itself over the next couple years. I know we’ve all debated ad nauseum whether Blake could be the starting point guard for a championship contender, and you maintained that Blake could be, if Greg developed into a stud and there were enough pieces around him. That’s a reasonable position, if you’re talking about “career year” Blake. But this year’s version, no way.
My take is, between the injuries and Brandon’s (hopefully temporary) decline, this team is not competing for a title this year. The focus should be on winning a title in the next two or three years. And the most important thing the Blazers can do is figure out whether B-Rex can run the point for those teams, or whether the point guard search needs to continue.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 3, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think
that Bayless will ever be a “true” point guard.I think he could play with Broy and probably make plays when Brandon isn’t.Untill Brandon lets go of the reins, a good point guard would be a waste.
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 3, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions
I don't know about "as much as possible"
because we want to win enough this year to get a decent seed, and it would be valuable experience to get past the first round this year.
But yes, I would like to see Bayless get some development time. Because while I believe the Blake of last year or the year before could be the PG on a championship team, given the other talent on the team, I believe Bayless is going to be so much more than Blake, better defensively, immensely better going to the hoop, and probably nearly as good from distance within a year or two. So it would be a real waste to not work on developing that talent.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I agree with you...
There certainly would be a lot of benefit in getting a high seed and advancing deeper into the playoffs.
The question is, does playing Blake and/or Miller get the Blazers significantly closer to that goal than playing Bayless?
I wouldn’t give Bayless “developmental minutes” if there were a huge gap between what he brings and what Blake/Miller bring. Arguably, that was the case last year (even though PoliSam has studied it and concluded that the Blazers played almost as well during the period when Blake went down and Bayless filled in).
This year, not only is there nothing to suggest there’s a big gap between Blake/Miller and Bayless, but in limited minutes, the youngster has at least outplayed Blake. Out of the three, Rex has the highest PER.
Obviously it’s apples and oranges, given the limited sample size and the differences in competition, but unless Blake and Miller are playing better than they have been, the Blazers just don’t lose that much in sitting them down and playing the youngster.
The case for giving Bayless minutes is strengthened with the Trout/Batum injuries. Basically, Trout drew offensive attention and provided consistent scoring punch, and Nic provided athleticism on defense and sometimes may have picked up Steve’s slack. Without those two guys, Steve’s limitations become more glaring and his advantages less advantageous.
Basically, the cost (to performance this year) is minimal, and the potential benefit (in possibly improving performance this year, developing talent for the future, and finding out how good the kid is) outweighs that cost.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
It is very hard to say
Sure, Bayless has done pretty well, but to say there isn’t a gap between the others and him may be premature.
Blake has had a rough start to the season. But he had two really solid seasons for us before this one, and I’m not quite ready to assume that what we’ve seen is what we’re going to get the rest of the year. He could easily start knocking down 3s at a high rate, for instance — shooters go through good and bad spells.
So I’m not sure I would say “the Blazers just don’t lose that much” by playing him a lot. They might lose quite a bit. We can’t really know, and we don’t get to see the whole body of work these guys are putting in, how they are performing in practice, etc.
But I wouldn’t complain if we adopted the experiment you propose, at least for 15-20 games to see how it goes.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Doesn't proposing a SOLUTION imply knowing the CAUSE
and by implying a CAUSE, isn’t there also implicit BLAME?
by FromAfar on Dec 3, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Sure
To an extent. And that’s why what Dave has written is so good, as far as keeping perspective on the blame game. But much of my emphasis is not that people aren’t playing it, but that it really is mostly different with a basketball game.
If someone dies, the blame game goes into full swing. It was the car manufacturer, or the other driver, or the bartender who sold the drink, or the local government for not putting a stop light at that junction, or whatever. Blame matters, and there is a punitive motive in seeking to lay blame.
In basketball, people just want it fixed for the future games. And while in some cases, they may want to assess blame so they can say, “I was right,” usually that is not really the primary motive. Usually much of the motive comes down to “I’ve been warning about this and they haven’t fixed it, I wish they would.”
But down in the fanshots, I wrote a comment about Brandon being totally ineffective in running the pick and roll with Greg. Now, some of my comment, when I read it later, put the blame on Brandon. Well, maybe. Maybe it is partly on Greg. Maybe it is on Nate. Or an assistant coach. Or Brandon’s college or high school coaches, or Greg’s coaches.
Who cares who takes the blame? Assessing the problem doesn’t necessarily attribute the blame. Who cares whose fault it was?
Unless we are actually in the practices, we can’t know whether a problem is a coaching failure or an execution failure on the part of one or more players. And if execution, we don’t know if it is a failure of effort, inexperience, or simply inability. So identifying a solution is not necessarily getting down to the real root cause. And that, as Dave has pointed out, is the silliness of the fan blame game. We don’t know what is going on in the minds of these people. There are a lot of complex things going on.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Dec 3, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If we dont care who takes the blame
aren’t we being insensitive that our words are blameful?
"I wrote a comment about Brandon being totally ineffective in running the pick and roll with Greg. Now, some of my comment, when I read it later, put the blame on Brandon. … " If Brandon were to read the comment would he perceive that you were blaming him?
If we dont care who takes the blame, then our purported solution might just be disguised blame. And I think that Dave is asking us — DO CARE, and that we explore whether our proposed solutions can be viewed as blameful. Dont think that is is adequate to hide behind I’m only proposing solutions.
I think jscot's final point is the more salient one
about caring about who’s at fault. I think we’d all like to know what the root cause behind some fault is, but given our limited information, we can’t. We can point out our observations as to the team’s failings, but in terms of the why, that will pretty much permanently remain a mystery since we’re not at practice and we’re not talking to Nate or Brandon or whoever about the team’s playcalls and techniques, so there’s just so much going on behind the scenes that we can’t see, but as long as it gets fixed somehow, what does it really matter in the long run?
We got a little bit of a peak behind the curtain with Ben tracking Greg’s touches in that first game and the subsequent Quick backlash. The assumption we were operating on is that Greg was being ignored in the offense, which was apparently not the case if something like 6 of the first 15 plays or so were called for Greg as Quick contended. While the root problem was still “Greg is not as involved in the offense as he should”, the cause wasn’t the consensus opinion here (Nate is ignoring him in the playcalls). I don’t think there are many posters that would be/were devastated by their opinion of the cause being wrong once Greg started to assert himself offensively.
I agree with you and I think the point of Dave's post and Jscot's comment
Is that with our limited knowledge of what is really going on, the fans spend too much time asking (using your Oden example) “Who is to blame?” Instead of “Why isn’t Oden getting more touches?” Or “How do we get Oden more touches?”
Start Andre Miller NOW to showcase him for a trade.
Right
And even the “why” isn’t really what fans care about, it is more the “how can we” that we care about.
No one really cares why he didn’t get them last game, all we really want is for him to get them next game (presuming, of course, that in our magnificent expertise, that we actually know what we’re talking about and he should get more touches — in this case, we’ve probably managed to hit on the truth, that more touches are good).
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I mean, personally I'd be interested in the "why"
if only to be better informed about the situation, but that interest pales next to my desire for the situation to just be resolved regardless of the why.
"Why" is part of the trouble shooting
It’s human nature to blame though. If you and I were on a road trip and you caused us to run out of gas. I’d spend the first half hour blaming you, then I’d say, “Why didn’t you get gas in the last town?” And then I’d try to figure out how to get more gas.
Start Andre Miller NOW to showcase him for a trade.
Eat beans?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I'd ask if he had a cell phone and then blame him if he didn't have one
Start Andre Miller NOW to showcase him for a trade.
Couple thoughts
"I wrote a comment about Brandon being totally ineffective in running the pick and roll with Greg. Now, some of my comment, when I read it later, put the blame on Brandon. … " If Brandon were to read the comment would he perceive that you were blaming him?
Yes, he would have perceived that. I think any reasonable reader would have.
If we dont care who takes the blame, then our purported solution might just be disguised blame. And I think that Dave is asking us — DO CARE, and that we explore whether our proposed solutions can be viewed as blameful. Dont think that is is adequate to hide behind I’m only proposing solutions.
1. Yes, our purported solution might be disguised blame.
2. Alternatively, our purported solution might be interpreted as blame, or stated as blame when that is not really our intent.
3. If our purported solutions can be viewed as blameful, perhaps we need to consider rewording them, given our limited ability to accurately assign blame.
4. However, unless there is no accountability at all, sometimes blame is appropriate, and if it weren’t, we might still have the Jailblazers.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
perhaps we need to consider rewording them
which is I believe part of what Dave is looking for. Its interesting that he tossed out the problem that we are facing on the site, and is allowing us to explore solutions.
Accountability is important. Our voice is important. It took many seasons of fan feedback to shift away from the JailBlazers. [Hope that we arent looking back one day and discovering that as whiplash we resulted in too soft a team].
Accountability goes with authority. We might have the authority to hold the team accountable to a winning season. We do not have the authority to hold the team accountable to playing or not playing Greg.
Accountability goes with timelines. We cannot hold accountability if the timeline is undefined, or is unrealistic. For example, ASSUMING that we DID have the authority to say Play Greg More, and Nate didn’t; play Greg more in the very next game; he could just say “oh you meant every game”, or “i’m getting there”…
We dont get to hold the team accountable for a 3 game losing streak. Personally I would rather have a great team that goes deep in the playoffs, and would be willing to sacrifice games to get there. I think that the change they are going through will take a lot of time. I think that it would be fine to win 21 of the first 41 games; and then win 31 of the last 41 games (even if the second half of the season is harder), to end the season at 52 and 30.
Our ability to hold the team accountable
is limited and limitless.
We don’t get to hold them accountable for 3 losses? Certainly, we can. We can decide it is unacceptable and walk away. That would be foolish for us to do, but we are really limitless in the things for which we can hold them accountable. We could walk away just because we think Rudy should shave his head and Steve shouldn’t.
But our ability to hold them accountable is extremely limited, too, because if you or I walk away, it means nothing.
We can only really hold them accountable if we as a fanbase collectively do so, in enough numbers to break the economic model. And for that to happen, the matter needs to be serious enough for the fanbase to buy in — and three losses doesn’t rise to that level.
Nice comment, I like your thoughts here.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Which IT should be fixed first?
“In basketball, people just want it fixed for the future games” IT. Like theres only one IT to be fixed. Fan(A) might want IT(A) fixed, and Fan(B) might want IT(B) fixed. While the Blazers, might focus on IT(C, D, E) and never get to (A, B).
Doesn’t wanting it to be fixed, also assume that we know its relative importance? Aren’t we implying that we know the breadth of the problem(s), not just the one problem? In this scenario, aren’t we implicitly blaming the leadership for improper prioritization?
Its very easy to be blameful, if we dont care about blame.
I've had fun with that one
People want to blame our loss to Houston on one IT when there are about 40 of them.
There are a lot of ITs that can be addressed. And you are right that we all think we are experts in prioritizing them. Well, a lot of us.
I have a much different view than a lot of people around here. I can see a whole lot of things that could be addressed, and I don’t necessarily think any one of them is the answer, or is going to guarantee we win our next game, or is even the most important. But I actually find myself hesitant to even post them (and I did post one, on the pick and roll) right now, because the blame game is going hot and heavy, and I don’t want to add fuel to the fire.
I think if you look at my original comment on this thread, you’ll see that I’ve said that the problems are complex — there isn’t one IT that needs fixed. I’ve talked about a lot of people viewing it that way, but that in reality it isn’t like that.
And yes, if you think that there is one IT that needs fixed, and leadership hasn’t done so, you are indeed blaming them for improper prioritization (and usually ignoring all the other ITs that they’ve already fixed, many of which were in fact more important than the one you are screaming about).
As far as I’m concerned, any IT that we fix improves our team, puts a better product on the court, and gives us a better chance of reaching our goals. There may be big ones, there may be small ones, but any improvements are worthwhile.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
It's all the IT's that's the problem
If there was just one or two IT’s the team would be playing much better and have a way better record.
Start Andre Miller NOW to showcase him for a trade.
There's an interesting discussion to be had
about whether basketball is science or art.
If the problems can be described in terms of IT, equating basketball to programming, then the solutions should be definitive and predictable. The catch here is that the layman has basically no input into the process other than saying, “This program is buggy and needs to be fixed!” You need a programmer to do the actual work. Whatever the layman says in that vein is basically a waste of time, just getting in the way of the expert.
If there’s a more artistic/interpretive side to the sport then those extra eyes and opinions take on a tinge of validity. Consumers and fellow artists shape art with their perceptions. Perhaps not as much as the actual artist, but there’s legitimate input there. The catch here is that you have to admit there may be more than one way to do things, that no single way is inherently perfect, as there is no such thing as “perfect”. The experts in the field have as much license to interpret as the consumer does and thus they get the benefit of far more wiggle room.
—Dave
by Dave on Dec 3, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Interesting discussion indeed
possibly complicated by the score.
Winning beautifully is great. Sometime maybe even a work of art.
Would we prefer to win-ugly or lose-beautifully?
Would we pay for blowouts, or only attend close games?
And the obvious answer
is that basketball is both science and art.
Since you mentioned preaching above, that’s another example. Your sermon is science, in the sense that you are trying to communicate accurate truth to your hearers that will be beneficial to them on some level. But it is also art, in trying to communicate effectively, without being boring, and on a level that can be heard/received.
Blogging is the same. If you never provide any solid analysis (science), you’ll have limited appeal to many readers, but it has to be art as well.
Even your example of IT is art, in the sense that the program has to be organized in such a way that users are able to learn it and it provides the data they need in a format which is useful.
Basketball is obviously both. Someone ought to write a main page article on how much it is art, and how much it is science. I nominate you. :)
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Yes, some "ITs" are bigger than others....
And if you have a jumbo “IT”, well, that one can get the “blame”, true as all the other “ITs” are.
And if you agree with “IT”, you characterize is as “rec”, if not, you can sarcastically exaggerate and mock “IT”, pointing out all the other "IT"s as alternatives. It can be a prioritization debate.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Or you can agree with the IT
and still point out the others without mocking that one. There’s a whole range of responses.
The problem is that too often, people want only whole-hearted approval of their assertion that this IT is THE problem, and you can’t really get past that. “If only Nate would start Andre….”
But of course, the Chicago game proved that Nate’s approach can be highly effective, while several other games have proved that it isn’t always working. So it is much more complicated than “start Andre”.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I don't think I'm an expert.
And although I am sure that Pritchard and McMillan are not only capable of error, but have surely made a few, I also feel confident that they both rank much further up the expert scale than I do. For any ot the IT’s that I might have identified correctly or have a real solution for, the odds are high that it is the “blind squirrel” theorum at work.
hakkaa päälle !
Hmm
I think this only goes so far. Operating on the assumption that you are reasonably intelligent (forgive me if that is unfounded), basketball is not rocket science, and if a person has played the game, or even been a student of the game as a serious fan for a few years, they are going to see things.
The difficulty is not really in seeing the mistakes and identifying solutions after the fact. I’m sure a lot of us here can do that. The difficulty is anticipating and not making mistakes in the first place.
And we will anticipate and advocate a certain course of action, and sometimes we will get it right and sometimes we will get it wrong. And a month later, we’ll remind people of the part we got right, and forget ourselves (most of the time) the parts we got wrong.
KP and Nate don’t have that luxury. They have to get it right the first time.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
So the real Dave finally shows back up and we get the faux jscot.
At least I was thinking that until I read the last line.
PS – it probably is all Ben’s fault. If he wasn’t always taking pictures of the players shoes, they would be spending more time concentrating on their game and less trying to style for the camera.
hakkaa päälle !
Come, and let us cast lots,
that we may know for whose cause this evil is on us!
I blame kgw
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Dec 3, 2009 3:48 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
What is our record on KGW?
It has to be pretty horrible.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 3, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions
1-3
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Dec 4, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions
The games aren't as entertaining so far this season.
The missing ingredient, compared to the last two years, is the sense of limitless possibility, of hope — whereas this this season there has been some bad luck (injuries) and some of the players are demonstrating their limitations rather than giving us glimpses of happy surprise.
The most interesting aspect of the games so far is: What will Greg Oden show us tonight? Oh, and sometimes Rudy provides genuine fun (and that sense of possibility — that there may be much more to come).
I like novelty. I’m interested in whatever Cunningham does, and still suspect Bayless may emerge. But watching Oden develop is almost always enjoyable, even if the team is a less hopeful enterprise for a while.
Things will change.
ignacio
The blame game reminds me of my wedding day
One of the catering guys flaked out and my wife’s family sat around for an hour talking about getting the $100 deposit back and what they could do to the guy. Finally I asked what we were going to do about the food and together we came up with a solution, and no one at the wedding noticed there was a last minute change of catering plans.
Fans don’t want explanations or excuses, they want a scapegoat and actions. Hopefully the team and organization are communicating and since we haven’t seen any real action, we’ll stick with the scapegoats.
I'm sick of all these Dean Demopolis fanboys screaming for Nates's head
by tominhawaii on Dec 3, 2009 4:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I remember that.
Mainly because I spent the next three days on the toilet feeling my guts run out my ass. At least that was what I was doing when my head wasn’t in the toilet puking the rest of my innards out.
Now I know who is to blame. Thanks Tom!
(and by the way, your fruit cake should be arriving in a couple weeks.) (with extra e coli)
hakkaa päälle !
That's probably how his wife felt
without having anything to eat.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
That's all fine and good, Dave, but it's too complicated.
So I’m just going to take the easy route and keep on blaming Bill Simmons. He’s not even around to defend himself. Which rules. Because I’m a wuss. (Bill, buddy, if you’re reading this it’s just a joke, man)
"...a part which would rather be right than happy."
this resonates
" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous
by 92wastheyear on Dec 3, 2009 6:19 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Ah yes
Look how many pseudo-fans have said they wanted the team to lose in the pregame reports.
Trade Andre Miller NOW before he destroys the team from the inside!!!!
by tominhawaii on Dec 3, 2009 6:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't remember you saying you wanted the Blazers to lose recently in the pre game threads but I wouldn't doubt you'd say that
Trade Andre Miller NOW before he destroys the team from the inside!!!!
I don't know Dave,
I think I reserve the right as a fan to analyze my team. These losses weren’t just losses. They were a total regression in EVERYTHING. I think we have the right to expect more intelligent basketball at this level. There is a such thing as cause and effect, if the team is playing poorly I think it’s reasonable to try and figure out what is causing the poor play. What are we supposed to do stop comming to BE and just be happy that we have a “team” in the first place? Maybe I’m missing the point of your post…
Since he said he likes analysis
I would say that your first sentence proves that your last sentence is true, you missed the point. He isn’t talking about analysis.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Glaring Omission
You forgot to blame Darius Miles and the Memphis Grizzlies. Don’t you keep a copy of Larry Millers famous league wide e-mail? If you did it would remind you….shh…they’re all out to get us.
Yes, it’s Darius Miles fault. The difference his (rolling my eyes) comeback attempt made to our salary cap space probably cost us Hedo Turkoglu. We all know if we had Hedo now we’d be undefeated and the practice facility would smell like pizza. That makes everyone feel good.
Get with it Dave. Looking at the big picture realisticly! Ha! That doesn’t sell. Larry Miller always knew who the real threat was, the rest of the entire league! Damn them! Always trying to field teams better than ours! Always trying to out do us on draft day and with trades. Tipping the ball in the air and then trying to get a “W” against us! When will these people learn. It may be time for another E-Mail from center court. I suggest a subject line of: The Blazers, RE: Our recent struggles; We know what your up to!
Really? Who’s to blame? Forget it. I like Odens evaluation and approach the best so far, we need to get our heads on straight and chill out….
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
I disagree with your premise to an extent...
We can disagree about the why, but we can all agree on some general reasons why the Blazers are performing on a lower level than expected. About half the reasons you cited are valid, with some more important than others.
Brandon. He took the summer off, he didn’t work on his game at all, and he lost too much weight. Pure and simple. His performance has been about as I expected. His stats are ok, but his PER has fallen off by about 6 points.
Injuries. Obviously, this has been a big factor. No team in the league can afford injuries to its two best players at a particular position.
Those are the two major factors. That’s it. Nate hasn’t been fantastic, but the bottom line is that Brandon has taken a huge step back because he took the summer off.
Blake/Przy. These guys have experienced natural and expected declines coming off career years. Can’t blame them. Have to adjust. If Blake and Bayless continue to perform at this level (by that I mean, Bayless clearly being superior), and Nate is still playing Blake after the all-star break, that’s on him.
Most of your attempts to show that anyone else on the team can be blamed are clearly a huge stretch. Oden’s not playing like a number one overall pick? He has a PER over 23 in his second year coming off microfracture. He’s on pace to be better than Dwight Howard. He certainly is playing like a number one pick. Hard to criticize the play of Cunningham, Bayless, Martell, or Rudy. Those guys are meeting or exceeding reasonable expectations and past performance. Blake and Przy have fallen off, but that was expected coming off career years. Lamarcus is Lamarcus. Blaming him for staying out of the paint is like blaming the sky for being blue.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 3, 2009 7:22 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Excellent post,
All of your observations are accurate
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 3, 2009 7:48 AM PST up reply actions
I mostly agree. The injuries thing is odd, different teams are handling that differently.
Good:
The Mavs are doing very well despite still having had Josh Howard for not a single game (who is their best perimeter defender), and losing Shawn Marion and Erick Dampier for a few. Rookie Beaubois has stepped up for them and is now playing some PG and SG. And the 2 star players and key reserve Terry have performed up to expectations.
The Kings are doing extremely well despite losing Kevin Martin and Francisco Garcia to longer injuries. It’s as if nobody would have told the team that they are expected to suck under those circumstances. Sergio is hitting threes and being called upon to defend in crunch time, Tyreke is looking like a future all-star, Donte Greene is looking like their Batum, and everyone helps each other.
The Clippers have weathered the storm of losing their #1 pick who also has yet to play a regular season game, and losing star player Eric Gordon for a few weeks.
Not so good:
Philadelphia losing Mareese Speights, now Lou Williams, and for some games Elton Brand. They still got their star Iguodala, but he can’t do it all himself.
As well as Detroit losing Tayshaun Prince and Rip Hamilton. And the Wolves losing Kevin Love.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
People doing well or trying doesn't stop people from blaming
you can tell Blake is busting his hump out there, yet blazer fans don’t appreciate the effort but maliciously attack him for a lack of talent. Other teams or viewers appreciate what Blake brings, but blazers fans don’t because common knowledge is that he is horrible and every little thing that supports it will be brought to light while the good he brings is ignored.
People very well COULD blame Oden. Fans are NOT reasonable or rational in large mobs. A few people screaming silly things “roy is selfish and yes this is sarcasm” is suddenly taken seriously by the mob.
I certainly wasn’t rational after watching the memphis game live.
Dave brings up some good points. Eventually personnel changes may need to take place, but this team has also faced adversity and they should be given a chance to correct. It’s the end of the season that matters, not the beginning.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Dec 3, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Both are true
Blake does bust his hump. Blake is limited in what he can do. That’s part of the texture of the situation. You can’t just sit with one or the other and have the whole story, nor understand the cost/benefit of playing him, nor understand why and how he fits in with the team as a whole and its goals. There’s an enormous conversation to be had about Blake and his future here. We have parts of it now and then. But taking one side or the other doesn’t, in itself, provide a basis for that conversation.
—Dave
I have no idea what the point of this post was....
Sorry Dave.
I’d disagree with some of the points you made (like coahing evaluation being nubulous, its not) but I don’t know what over all point I’d be disagreeing with….
Is this all “what me worry?”
Consider a couple of other words besides “blame”. How about “accountability”. Without “blame” or its more tangible (and less prickly) brother “consequences”, how can we expect accountability?
Perhaps we should all just up our dosage of prozac and enjoy all the pretty colors, stop worrying about fixing whats wrong.
Besides its only 18 games in. And next month we’ll only be 32 games in….. and then in June there will only be five games left…. so why worry?
So I’ll take your advice, I don’t blame anyone. Its no ones fault. Just tell me how to get the accountability now……. without that, no change. I guess that cool if your cool with the status quo. But if we want change for the better, we have to identify what needs to changed. Its just to bad if that hurts someones feelings, because frankly the game is bigger then that. It’s bigger then worrying about who’s getting blamed to the point that we don’t address anything.
The blame game is for making excuses. There is nothing for me to make an excuse for. I am a fan and I deserve the best possible product. Therefore what I seek is accountability.
by zersrule on Dec 3, 2009 7:23 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I think in a roundabout way ...
Dave is probably leveling a shot across the bow at the fans of the team who seem to have gone into overdrive with negativity in the past week or so. I for one am rather humbled because in some way I think I’ve been guilty of the following at times:
Or maybe it’s us because secretly in our heart of hearts hides a part that would rather be an “expert” than just a fan of a winning team along with everyone else…a part that loves the sound of its own voice…a part which would rather be right than happy.
Certainly we all have a right to complain, and this team is “complaint-worthy” right now, but I think this and a few of the other Blazers specific forums have started to kind of spiral out of control with negativity.
An influx of new posters along with the first "real" signs of issues for the Blazers
I understand the venting, and the negativity of some posters, I’ve certainly posted my fair share of comments decrying Brandon’s play this year or Nate’s linesups, etc., etc., but what gets me recently is the sheer repetition of posts, not just the ones complaining about Nate/Brandon/LaMarcus/Blake/Andre, but about everything. I’d rather read through a couple long comment sections and have everything about one topic in one place than see 8 different posts about the same topic. If I don’t care about reading/commenting on that topic, I can just ignore the post.
Just like it was getting irritating to see some posters essentially turn the sidebar into their personal blogs and post reviews after each game or daily posts about their thoughts, it feels like people are more and more feeling their thoughts are too “important” for a comment and thus deserve their own post (or it’s new people, usually, instead of people suddenly thinking their thoughts are more important). I know Dave is trying to keep this as an opening, welcoming place, but I’d personally prefer if we cracked down a little and removed more "repeat"posts that don’t really add much of a new perspective to things and so it becomes less of a big deal when posts get removed, as opposed to now, where it seems to be a huge deal when you see a post get taken down. Maybe Dave/a mod would have to send a quick boilerplate e-mail stating that the post was just removed as a duplicate so it wouldn’t be a censorship issue, but something along those lines would help for me.
Yeah, 8 posts about firing Nate is bad, but that doesn’t mean I want to see 5 posts deriding the original 8 either.
And yes, this comment declares that I’d rather be a blog “expert” than a just a member of an entertaining and knowlegeable blog community.
We are participating in the evolution of online social collaboration
Isn’t it great to be part of trailblazing a new frontier?
We evolved to FanShots and FanPosts.
We revise REC numbers for stickiness.
We invented the JunkDrawer posts.
[ASIDE: I lost my password from for my previous screen name, and had to create a new one for myself — BlazersEdge/SBN didn’t used to have a password reset function. Dont know if they have one now. So I’ve been a posting member for a lot longer that apparent, and of course was a lurker for quite a while before.]
As earlier members we learnt the ropes, and we see noobies repeating our old ways. The BlazersEdge family-clean guideline define a part of the social fabric. Moderators have taken root, sometimes to break up inter-member squabbles.
Dave frequently reminded us of the etiquette of our society. With the growth of the community and frequent influx of new members, Dave’s occasional reminders might not be adequate. With higher volumes, we now faced with couple of new problems, how do weave new members into the fabric of the society? Even if small percentage of community are “venters”, it might translate to a large number of post because the community is larger. So do we end up building a new construct for venting?
Facebook is a technology platform, it is not a society. This is s society. We have social guidelines and etiquette. Isn’t it great to be participating in the evolution of online social collaboration?
yeah, I definitely didn't mean for my comment
to be construed as an “All these noobs need to get off my lawn” type thing since I still feel relatively new compared to a good chunk of the population here, just that for me, it doesn’t seem like the balance has quite been struck yet. With fewer people it’s easier to handle issues about content, moderation and the like, and so simple, obvious solutions could work. Now that the community is growing rapidly these simple solutions aren’t working as well for me (I don’t purport to know other people’s thoughts) and it seems like a different way may work better for me, at least, but I’m not so self-centered to think what works for me is what works best for what Dave sees BE as.
I’m sure something will get figured out, but as I said, I think this recent rash of negative posts and the perceived effects is more a symptom of a different problem with formatting and how content is presented here than it is a disease in itself. There will always be negative fans, just like there will always be excitable fans who write jubilant posts about Bayless’s latest 8 point, 3 assist performance proving that he’s the sliced bread of young PGs or that because Nic once scored 20 points in a game he’ll be unguardable within 5 years. That’s never going to changes, and it shouldn’t, but that doesn’t mean there may not be better ways to present all of this, I just have no idea how.
Since we're reinventing site decorum while we're at it
and since no mods have come along and told you guys to get back on topic, I’ll make a suggestion.
When a mod sees yet another “Fire Nate” fanpost, and there is one 5-6 fanposts below that, he should A) copy the content into a comment under the existing fanpost as a block copy B) attribute it with a link to the original poster’s profile page C) zap the offending fanpost and D) send an email. That says, “Your thoughts matter, but you ignored the rules and we aren’t going to let it stand.” Blame it on the rules.
Second offense? Just zap it entirely.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
shut up you stupid newbie noob!! gawd!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Curious
What was your former screenname, or are you not telling us intentionally?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
yeah, where is fatty, anyway ??
Isn’t he about due to get back to us with his apologies on being wrong about Oden ?
His big chance to “man up”.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
by Berkeley on Dec 3, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
He did that already.
Most likely he’s found more important things for his time, like following the Knicks.
Ok, maybe not that one.
hakkaa päälle !
soooo, who were you, or is that something you would like us to forget ??
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Need a way to reply to many comments...
nothing exciting at all. maybe if i kept it quiet for longer, more intrigue would build. Sorry to disappoint, the answer is very tame: RemoteFan
I think we need to change the starting lineup
In each game we got into a huge hole in the first quarter. Some of this could be attributed to Oden only playing a portion of the quarter, but I think we need to try something new. What do you think is our best defensive lineup to start a game? Don’t laugh at me, but what if we started Bayless and played him like we played Batum last year? Put him in for 6 minutes or so. He could draw some quick, early fouls and play intense defense. Sure, he’ll need to work on his own foul problems, but I think this would be interesting. Then, put Miller in at the 6 minute mark and let him finish off the remainder of the half. Blake can stay in his warm-ups.
"The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One, you've got to shoot the ball. Second thing, we've got to play defense."
- Nate McMillan
I think platooning Bayless as a defender is a great idea
Besides he can stand in the cormer and miss threes just like Steve.hehheh
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 3, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions
If Bayless has been our best defender that would make sense, but he hasn't
not by a long shot. Along with his obvious propensity towards repeatedly fouling on the perimeter, his defensive rating is worse than either Blake or Miller’s (admittedly small sample size, but it was the same last year). Being physically more impressive than Blake and Miller doesn’t make him a better defender by itself just like Baron Davis being one of the most physically impressive PGs of the last decade hasn’t made him an all-defense selection.
I just...
… want to see us play like a team, act like a team, win together as a team, lose together as a team… be accountable as a team… band together like a team…
there are rumors of the start of the formation of factions within the team…
two years ago that was certainly the truth..
i’m not saying they don’t get along off the court.. but i definitely believe that there might be differing philosophies as to how they think they should be playing on the court…
and another thing is that the closer players are with each other the worse things can be if things start cracking because of the fact that they are conditioned for things to be always going well…
last year there was certainly talk about how the players are too nice to each other and don’t want to hold each other accountable on the court. probably because they all like each other so much that they don’t want to seem like they are attacking their friend.
In some complex systems
solutions are only found by educated trial and error. I do not see any ethical or moral problem with experimentation and modeling. Testing weeds out incorrect theories. The process yields intermittent improvement and an increase in knowledge. Blame has nothing to do with finding solutions.
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
theoretical approach:
What is the optimal playing dynamic given the resources at hand? Is Nate asking himself this question? haha j/k
It is only natural that a fitness function is at work.
This is bigger than basketball! And we are definitely not yet at a level merely requiring sustainability .
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
so do you think
that the current fitness function at work is something like F(lineup) = Win or Lose, or F(lineup) = some adjusted +/-, or maybe the fitness function is much much more deeper than that and goes into an analysis of dependency relationships within the lineups to yield data…
anyways, F(lineup) = some adjusted +/- is not a good approach because of the high standard error of plus/minus. it will probably take 2 seasons to get enough info.. but in 2 seasons the dynamics of the players may have alraedy changed too (some players got better, others got worse)
i’m just messin around. nothing serious here.
F(X+0) -- > F(individual players)
therefore when considering the existing talent level of the players observers must always assess their efforts in context. Example: Channing Fry.
Also, I have never liked the +/— statistics for the broader view. Example: Channing Fry.
One last thought. The sky is falling. Example: Channing Fry!
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
Has anyone considered that Nate is feeling pressure not to coach his game? Owner or Pritch could be behind it.
Nate has always been a slow it down offense, and yet his roster is a mixture of slow it down and speed it up. Everyone seems to be chanting the fast break, but what if nate was actually allowed to do what he does best – game control. Everyone is blaming defense and assume because nate was a very good defensive player that somehow he is a defensive coach. He is absolutely not a defensive coach. Many have posted statistical proofs on that.
Nate’s best defense is not allowing the other team to have enough shots to win. Combine that with effective half-court (which has not been there this year – Blazers have looked pathetic at times) and you win many many games. A half court teams keep everyone rested and the focus of defense is simply gettinga hand in the face and rebound.
almost
Dave points the finger at about everybody else but isn’t willing to say maybe it’s entirely his fault. I can see Dave farting in a crowd and then waiting a few seconds before asking who cut the cheese.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
Yeah, Ben has surpassed Dave in taking responsibility
Who would have thought it?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
ben
ben sounded like he was pretty worried about the state of the team on the last dontonio wingcast
Let's put it this way
If you put up your hand and took responsibility like Ben did, and then came on Bedge and read how irate some of these guys get anytime we lose, you’d be worried, too.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
It's obviously Dave & Ben's fault. How in the heck can you expect players to play well
when they are up all night reading BlazersEdge—and surely arguing their various points on the forum? I ask you… HOW?!
"Gonna stand my ground ... and I won't back down" -- Tom Petty
"You have to know the past to understand the present." -- Dr. Carl Sagan
COMCAST SSSUUUCCCKKKSSS!!!!!!!!
Rule No. 18: If you want to live to post another day, don't turn the tube on in Dave's living room.
I agree, but...
If we don’t discuss what changes we would like to see, what do we have to talk about?
blame BT Smith
he’s the new guy on the beat, so he must’ve brought the bad karma
besides, he sticks up for the coach. Teacher’s pet
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
It's stuff like this that make me think ...
… you give a pretty good sermon on Sundays.
Now the question is, are they better than Father Dave’s. Our parish priest has to be the best I’ve ever come across. He’s a great example of why the Catholic Church should be for cloning. I don’t think I’ve heard even an average sermon out of him, let alone a bad one. The best way I can describe it is that you not only still remember much of his message come the middle of the week, you are still recalling it several weeks later.
and btw – I am very happy to see this message. But you probably knew that already.
hakkaa päälle !
Deleting my own comments has been my best contribution to Bedge these days.
by amlmart1 on Dec 3, 2009 8:59 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Ah yes. Me too.
Cancel button FTW. (I’ve been using the rec feature a lot too. IMO, this place could use more greenery and fewer repetitive comments)
This site is like the Sirens' island of the internet.
I should stop my ears with wax, so that I couldn´t hear your voices. You are too good for my own good.
Not me. I'm very naughty and I need to be spanked!
LOL. See what I just did there, CatMan2? How you like THEM apples?
I blame Fox News
and Rush Limbaugh.
Actually, there are two places to lay blame, in my opinion. (But what do I know?)
1. Injuries. It isn’t just that there are injuries, but that there are injuries at one position. Travis and Batum, to a significant degree, both play small forward. To lose both of those guys leaves Portland with just one legitimate SF, who just missed an entire season, and is really only a back-up player at best anyway. There isn’t much that can be done about it, but it is a big source of the problem.
2. Nate McMillan. Now, I’m not a Nate-hater, and tend not to criticize his coaching too much. He knows a lot more about basketball than I do. I’ve never liked his substition by the clock tendencies in the 1st & 3rd quarters, rather than by feel, but that isn’t the problem here. I think the problem is that he didn’t adjust to the personnel changes in the preseason quickly enough.
Perhaps he did this in practice, but I think he should have identified his rotations at the very start, then let his players prove him wrong. Instead, he appeared to have no set rotations, and let the play dictate his rotations. The reason I point to this is that they didn’t have the preseason to get used to playing in specific roles, and with a somewhat different offensive style. So now they have to do that during the season when games count, and when they don’t have as much practice time and guys are getting hurt and so on and so forth.
The malaise currently affecting the Blazers will be resolved. Batum and Outlaw will come back; Roy and Rudy will get their rhythm; Roy and Miller will learn to play together; and Oden will continue to improve. I just think that Nate could have prevented some of this during the preseason.
But again, what do I know?
by hercher on Dec 3, 2009 9:14 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Now this is the way to express an opinion about a subject, such as Nate's coaching.
You tell us what it is you don’t like or understand, without attacking the person. I too occasionally wonder about Nate’s substitution patterns. That doesn’t mean I think he’s doing it wrong (or right). I’m just interested in what his thinking is. Since he’s unlikely to call or email me to explain, I’m left with discussing it with fans. But I have little interest in a discussion with people who basically imply that they know more than McMillan by the manner in which they state their opinion.
rec
hakkaa päälle !
If you can't fix the problem, fix the blame.
None of us are in position to fix the problem. That’s the coaching staff’s job. But we all obviously feel qualified to fix the blame. I think Dave is just trying to temper the rampant negativity that is associated with doing that ….. and imo, it was badly needed.
If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!
I blame scotch...
Great post Dave—love blazersedge!
I’m not blaming anyone at this point but I find myself frequently wishing for the stronger BRoy and not the trimmed down sleeker version.
As long as you don't blame Scots
you’re ok.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
can we blame them?
for scotch — its too dang expensive
for kilts — grabs too much attention
for their weather — would be a great country to live in otherwise
for their accents — look slower than usual when I laugh late (I’m still deciphering the joke)
I don't understand the accents, either
Don’t let that bother you.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I blame them for not ascending to their dominate position in the world ...
… which is rightly theirs.
hakkaa päälle !
If you had our politicians
you’d see the dangers.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
can be any worse then the clowns we have.
Of course this is the reason your plan to become Ultimate ruler might have a chance at succeeding.
hakkaa päälle !
Can be much worse than yours
Believe me.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
Mia Culpa
I should not have placed such high expectations on this team.
I should not have considered KP’s touch golden.
I should not have thought of Brandon Roy as some kind of superman.
I should not have scoffed at the national media that said this team over achieved last year.
I should not have taken either side in the Oden – Durrant debate.
I should not have questioned Jason Quick’s motives.
I should not have considered this LaMarcus’ year for an All-Star showing.
I should not have sang Vota Me in the shower every morning all summer long.
I should not have replied to that fanpost at all.
I should forget about being unable to see any of the pre-season games.
I should never have bookmarked the trade machine.
I should never have thought Nate would increase his wins by ten yet again this year.
I should not invest emotionally in a game played by grown men.
I should not invest precious time in futile arguments about inconsequential events.
I should get back to work.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 3, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions 6 recs
you forgot:
“I should not sarcastically mock someone I don’t completely agree with.”
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
On the contrary, all of the above was earnest. However you can read what you want into it.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
ok, I suppose I can see that if I try.
I suppose the shower song and no emotional investment threw me off (not to mention the pre season game problem)
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
The best two points in this post
…secretly in our heart of hearts hides a part that would rather be an “expert” than just a fan of a winning team along with everyone else…a part that loves the sound of its own voice…a part which would rather be right than happy.
This is why I generally don’t comment on blogs. I’m sure I would come across that way.
…it’s generally true that the level of illumination in a post is inversely proportional to the level of blame cast within it.
I also believe that (generally) strength of opinion is inversely proportional to knowledge of the subject/situation. Another reason I try to stay away from online debates.
Great post Dave. This is my favorite post ever on this blog.
On throwing stones....It appears that although the stones may be equal, the stone throwers are not!
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
Dave, you continue to amaze me.
You truly set the bar for this site. You are insightful, reasonable, and oh so good at expressing your thoughts in an organized, logical, and non judgmental way. If I was a Christian, I would feel lucky (or blessed) to have you as my Pastor. Thanks for shedding light on our human condition as it relates to sports fandom.
by crakarjack on Dec 3, 2009 10:20 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Who's to Blame?
Well you summed it up pretty good, pretty much everyone is to Blame. Something I looked up that helped me is the Blazers PER’s vs last year and their projected rates of this year.
Player – PER – Projected PER – Last years PER
Roy – 18.81 – 22.56 – 24.08
LMA – 16.9 – 18.55 – 19.13
Oden – 23.31 – 19.11 – 18.13
Miller – 14.92 – 16.9 – 18.71
Rudy – 14.64 – 15.19 – 15.5
Blake – 10.34 – 13.32 – 14.49
Bayless – 15.56 – 8.00 – 8.28
Joel – 11.32 – 13.02 – 15.46
Web – 13.09 – N/A – N/A
Dante – 17.33 – N/A – N/A
Looking at that list it is clear that only 3 players are currently playing better than expected, Oden, Bayless and Dante, and 2 of those players are barely getting any minutes. If you look at last years PER compared to the previous year, almost every Blazer played better than expected. We might just have to face the fact that last year this team played way over it’s collective head, and this year it is regressing back to the mean.
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Or that more complex causes
such as synergy, injuries, mental/emotional preparation, and the like factor in as well…that maybe it’s not so simple as one guy screwing up in an obvious way.
Addressing a point made above, I too point out people’s individual flaws. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with saying that our point guards aren’t the best defenders, that Oden’s offense is still raw, or that our three-point shooters are missing their shots. Those are valid observations. I don’t think it’s bad to posit possible solutions to mitigate these factors. That doesn’t bother me at all. In fact I think that’s one of the most exciting aspects of the discussion because it opens up an incredible vista of analysis, perhaps even changing the way we see the game. Blame, on the other hand, does exactly the opposite. “Blake can’t hit a shot, he shouldn’t be playing, end of story!” That doesn’t open up possibilities, it finishes the conversation. It also ignores all of the factors surrounding Blake which might contribute to him playing even when it appears he can’t hit a shot. Also, in the end, a statement like that isn’t talking about Blake as much as it’s talking about the poster. And we’ll not find solutions for the Blazers’ woes by talking primarily about ourselves.
—Dave
I agree
I don’t know PER’s uses assists in their analysis but when they are throwing to Dante and Juwan instead of Outlaw, then I would expect their PER’s to go down.
Start Andre Miller NOW to showcase him for a trade.
And when other defenders are free
to bother Brandon because of injuries or his teammates not hitting. Or when the middle is so packed that our perimeter guys are forced into being three-point shooters alone. There are a bunch of factors that play in.
—Dave
Or would 's PER be the same
- if he wasn’t pulled when he started to be ineffective? if he was playing lot more against top quality defense?
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Most starters play even if they are ineffective, because you hope they play out of it. Key rotation players get some rope, but not too much. Spot minute players most often get time only when they are effective — ie their PER is being shown off in its best light.
sorry messed up the formatting again
didn’t mean to create the strike-through
PER does look at assists...
But in edition to Steve’s assists being down, his shooting percentages are way down and his turnovers are up.
By those numbers, Blake is the 51st best point guard in the league this year. Interestingly, though, not the worst starting point guard. Conley, Fisher, and Duhon are all in the same neighborhood or slightly worse at the moment.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Dave, this is the most redundant post, Ever.
Sorry, but I cant see what purpose this serves.
Filler during this break in content over 72 hours?
I cant believe all these posters in here have been all over the site complaining about fanposts, gettin mad, writing 80000 satirical responses and then you write this piece and they are all over it.- like its the first time any of your points have been brought up. hell, even you have written about all of this before!?
Typical.
-Sophia
The Princess of Blazersedge
It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime
by BlazerFan1 on Dec 3, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I couldn't help but notice how similar your comment here is to another on you made recently.
Sorry, but I cant see what purpose this serves.
Filler during this break in content over 48 hours?
I cant believe all these posters in here have been all over the site complaining about fanposts, gettin mad, writing 79999 satirical responses and then you write this piece and they are all over it.- like its the first time any of your points have been brought up. hell, even you have written about all of this before!?
Typical.
-Sophia
by CatMan2 on Dec 3, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is a redundant comment
You’ve made the same comment elsewhere, and then Dave addresses this kind of topic, and you jump in with the same stuff.
Typical.
:P
Seriously, isn’t this different from complaining about “blaming”? It’s more an analysis of some of the motives behind it, and some of the problems with incautious blaming. It’s a philosophy piece rather than a blaming complaining piece. Isn’t that somewhat different?
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Dec 3, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is too much
of a coincidence to be mere chance. Are you jscot actually CatMan2 or is it the other way around. Anyway, let’s put an end to there tongue-in-cheek posts! I believe these posts are at the heart of the Blazers confusion.
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
I knew this day would come.
Since you’ve come so very close to guessing the truth, and since I’m getting tired of maintaining this charade — it’s a lot of work sometimes! — I’m going to fess up.
Actually, jscot and CatMan2 are two different people. Of course, they have other names IRL. But, for about the last year, I have been posting under their screen names.
Who am I? Well, I won’t tell you my real name but I will say that I’m a dude in the 8th grade, I’m pretty good at basketball, I’m trilingual (English, French, and Farsi), I write for the school paper, and I’m a whiz with computers. Oh, and since an aunt I never met passed away, I’ve been in possession of a small fortune.
A little over a year ago, I stumbled across Blazers Edge, and figured I’d have some fun. I sent emails to jscot, CatMan2, and a few other posters with an offer they couldn’t refuse. They were paid a tidy sum of money and I obtained their passwords. The deal was that they were supposed to stop posting under these accounts, but I’m disappointed to say that neither of them has kept to the agreement. The other posters I contacted have been more honest, and I will continue to use their screen names. I won’t tell you any more about the other accounts except to say that at least one is thought to be female (and hot ;)
If you see any more posts by jscot or CatMan2 (and what kind of a name is that, anyway?), they’ll most likely be from the original, untrustworthy posters. Good luck guessing my other identities!
I don't know if he did this to CatMan2
but this little brat never sent the money he said he would.
He posted a fanpost under my name about getting Iverson, and a few other stupid things that I would NEVER write.
I never would have fallen for his little game, except that I wanted to spend more time posting under my TiH identity, which is more fun sometimes.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
I am never going to pay!
And I am moving on to my next sucker!
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
This is not true.
Look it up on Truth or Fiction and you will see this is another Internet myth.
CatMan2 is really a fat, pimply 30 something who surfs the net when he’s bored playing video games and how maybe changes his underwear once a week.
It is however true that he likes cats. Which only makes sense as his cat is his only friend and companion. It is also true that he received a sum of money from an aunt. The aunt was (and I believe still is) living at the time and the money was in exchange for a promise never to come visit her again. (Personally, I think she would have been better served spending it on a shotgun. A barrel of rock salt in CatMan’s lard ass as he waddled away would definately have done the trick.)
hakkaa päälle !
I blame the lack of the Spanish Inquisition...
Since Sergio left, Rudy is down :(
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
Blazers hurt
I dont think Injuries have hurt this much, I do realize its great/good players who are hurt.. However we got beat by Golden State and they have something like 7 players playing right now. The other excuse I hear is them needing rest, there the 3rd youngest team in the NBA if they cant play a back to back something is wrong. I do see some making some outrageous calls, fire nate, trade roy, trade the whole team? I think they can still right the ship.
I pretty much agree with Dave, fixing blame is pretty useless if it doesn't lelad directly to a
proposal to change, and even then, you don’t need to fix the blame to make the proposal.
Other kinds of blame fixing is not only useless, but utterly, completely and maddeningly useless. What KP should have done with RLEC, why didn’t we get Conley for Outlaw, and what was John Nash thinking anyway when he drafted Martell?
Failure is an opportunity.
If you blame someone else,
there is no end to the blame.
Therefore the Master
fulfills his own obligations
and corrects his own mistakes.
He does what he needs to do
and demands nothings of others.
"Get on board early," Black said, alluding to, what he feels, is a crop of up-and-coming players.
"I would tell those fans that we're going to play good baseball. We're going to play hard. We're going to have exciting young players..." -Bud Black
I reserve the right to be irrational.
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on Dec 3, 2009 11:40 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Perfect Storm
of new offensive scheme (mostly Oden and Andre) and injuries that hurt what was thought to be a stable part of team performance—defense. Yeah, when we got away from terrible teams, which we’ve been mostly playing before this losing streak, the team ran into trouble.
I’ve said it before, the blazers will probable be a 7th or 8th seed as they learn to play all over again now that they are adding Oden to the offense. The team as it was set up in 2008-2009 was never going to do more than make the playoffs. To win a championship a new approach is needed and it’s going to take time to get players (and apparently fans) comfortable and enthusiastic about this new approach.
Personally, I’d rather have the troubles now, rather than at the end of the season.
I'm sick of all the blaming, I want to see some winning.
Even B-Roy said he has been blaming everyone but himself. We need to just focus and come together as a team. McMillan needs to have a serious heart to heart with his players. They just aren’t giving it everything they have, especially on defense. It’s all about effort, the talent is there.
Miller to Oden FTW!
I think there is a difference
between apportioning blame and attempting to determine the causes of the current malaise. I point the finger at pretty much everybody on the team, but think the primary causes are the injuries, the schedule (a lot of games in a short period of time) and the head coach. But I’m not suggesting anything be done about any of those things.
Changing the coach would be a huge mistake at this point. However, if the team performs like this all season, and never hits a stride or rhythm, in spite of getting some hurt players back, then I think you would have to look at the head coach and wonder if he has done as much as he can. But that thought process really shouldn’t happen until after then end of the season, unless he loses control of the team entirely.
The point about the schedule isn’t so much that the players are fatigued, but that they haven’t been able to practice and work on ways to accomodate the injuries and changes to the rotation and offensive strategies.
So, Dave, my shortened version:
There are a lot of problems impacting the team right now. It is not all Nate’s fault. Enough already, give the guy a break. ??
Agreed. Let’s see how Nate and the team respond.
Side note on the preaching issue: I once heard a famous evangelist (TL Osborn) tell a story of when he started out in a foreign country. At first he was having little success, so he prayed for direction, and the answer he got was “You are explaining the gospel. Just preach the gospel”. So, that’s what he did and people responded big time, effecting hundreds of thousands of lives over decades. The basics are pretty simple. Ultimately God has to help out, or we are are wasting our breath.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
on the topic of blame...
I don’t like how Greg is shown frequently pointing at himself during games and telling his teammates “my bad”. I feel like in many instances he is taking responsibility for other people’s mistakes or for stupid things such as “my bad brandon i didn’t finish the play and get you an assist”.
Just from little observations like that I get the feeling that Greg is the type of person that might one day carry the team because he will protect other teammates from taking heat for their mistakes by taking the blame himself.
Discouraging side note: I can totally see Greg bolting for Indiana or some other team if he can get to unrestricted free agency in a couple of years. I would hate to see it, but I can definitely imagine it happening.
I love watching the Blazers
Basketball is fun.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
by jamon51 on Dec 3, 2009 1:12 PM PST reply actions 8 recs
I wish I was TiH
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
thanks Dave
I was going to blame Canada, but Dave just talked me out of it.
Absolutely fabulous read Dave. You never fail us in times of strife.
I blame Darius Miles
What ever happen to him anyways…so much hope for these other teams…and now I checked nba.com…and couldn’t find him on a roster….heck maybe golden state could use him..they’ve got plenty of room on the bench!
It's defense
Most of the Blazers aren’t good individual defenders. So the answer is “team defense”! Unfortunately, right now, we don’t seem to have 5 guys who can play it at the same time.
It's my fault, actually.
I passed gas in a crowded elevator, and nobody know who it was. Except for the gods, who are now smiting my favorite team for my offense.
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
i like miller but
Roy at the 1 Bayless at 2 Rudy Webster at 3 until batum get’s back LA Oden.
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"No water, just my woman." -Andre Miller
oh, I get it
God’s to blame…start the sacrifices of l@kers fans immediately! The demon lord of basketball must be appeased!
THERE WILL BE BLOOD!
"Comcast executives eat puppies and kittens. And worst of all, they are L@kers fans."
who's to blame
At the moment, 3 of our first 6 players from last year’s rotation are on the bench…duh, in addition to the lineup changes from last year. So, while it’s painful to watch, it’s understandable.
I blame Henry's handball.
If Ireland were in the world cup I’d have something to look forward to watching this summer.
Wait. No. I blame FIFA for not having replay on goals. What’s that—-5 reviews max per match? More time to run commercials! If only they thought like Americans. Running an extra few adds might make it possible to take those goofy logos off of the uniforms too. This aint auto racing, you clowns!
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 3, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions
Also...
I blame KP and Nate for not being on the same page. Why would you bring in Miller and not utilize his skills? Were they not impressed by his presentation about how he would improve the sets with the starters? I doubt in the meeting he said anything even remotely similar to “and can’t wait to throw lobs to Bayless in garbage time! Sign me up!”
Just tonight in the Denver/Miami game I heard a commentator mention that Miller “used to be” best in the NBA at the lob pass. See? He’s practically dead to the league…
I'm just not crazy about player nick names...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 3, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
In my own experience, I know that I place blame in a situation...
to not only find a solution or a root cause, but to inform myself and others about things that I (at the point of discovery) now understand to be unsuccessful and thus something to avoid.
Isn’t that a productive action?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
in the 1st half of the lakers vs heat game
they mentioned the struggles of the blazers, particularly on BRoy’s reluctance when it comes to adjustments..3 guard lineup and stuffs..they were all surprised about his response to adversity..blaming the system that gave them consecutive wins.
situations like this makes me think of the saying "nearly all men can battle through adversity, you want to test his character, give him power. Roy has been getting all the touches he needs. if you would look at the stat sheet, you would say it was a good game for him but when you watch it, it is the exact opposite..his assertiveness or lack thereof is causing us games..other players are looking up to him..counting on him..his body language on the court is far different from last year..all of these has to change. he really needs to step up on the absence of Nate this coming road trip
by FILIPINOblazerfan on Dec 4, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions
I blame this stupid dumb blog of yours that's who I blame.....
giggle… that’s a masterpiece dave.
Thanks :)
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