Miller was a mistake, LMA isn't a championship #2, Firing Nate isn't easy, Mike Rice is annoying
What is happening to the blazers? I decided to examine several areas within the blazers. Please understand that I just wrote this straight so I'm sure there are plenty of grammatical errors so bother calling me an idiot for my mistakes. Apparently, as some have pointed out I've messed up alot of sentences that I'll try and fix.
Brandon Roy:
- Something doesn't feel right. I keep thinking of Dwayne Wade's 07-08 season where everything dipped a little before he went back to being Wade. Of course he was coming back from an injury and Roy is not. Roy is still having a great season but he isn't making the big shots as much this season as he was the last.
- Last season anytime anyone would ask me who my favorite blazer was I would always say Roy. That's not common. The common answer for most people is their favorite player on their hometown team is never the best player (i.e. Birdman in Denver, Josh Smith Atlanta) but in Portland how could Roy not be your favorite player, he did everything and said all the right things last season. This season he doesn't come off as likeable as he did the previous. When you are that good I'm sure it's hard to not get over confident. He got paid and has the respect as an elite player from other players in the league (but apparently not other fans, see all-star voting). I'm sure Roy will go back to being Roy but it just seems he is having a little trouble with the next hurdle in becoming an even better player.
- He's not always finishing at the rim and things don't seem to come as easy for him as they did last year. I understand he is being double and triple teamed but last year he still seemed to make it look easy, not so much this year.
- I believe the quiet, and reclusive personality of Andre is having an effect on Brandon's leadership. I believe Brandon feels he has to sacrifice some leadership to the veteran Miller but Miller's odd demeanor has made it difficult. I believe that relationship has not yet fully developed between them and I'm not sure if it ever will. From everything I've read my perception of the Blazer locker room is is a social, open one and I could see how a quiet veteran might have an effect. I've heard lead with your actions on the court rather than words but relating on a social level with my teammates have only served as a benefit with my chemistry with them on the court.
- Not enough is talked of Roy' sub par defense, he just doesn't put as much an effort as he does on offense. He steps his defense up in the fourth but it's never for the whole game. To take his game to the next level he needs to take some pride in becoming a better defender. Lebron, Kobe and Wade take pride in their strong defense while a player like Carmelo does not and it shows.
- To his credit: still the obvious MVP of this team, contributes in all areas of the game, want to be the leader of this team (and is), isn't delusional about state of the team (knows there is problem)
Steve Blake:
- We couldn't expect his 3 pt shooting % going to good as last year but to dip this much, wow.
- The turnovers are really bothering. One of Blake's strengths in the past has been his decision making but this seasons' stats speak for themselves.
- I'm surprised Blake is still on the court at the end of games but considering the injuries I guess I understand, I mean really who else. For that 5th man I would take Outlaw, Oden, Rudy, and even Batum on the court over Blake but with them out I guess you go with Blake although a strong case could be made for Miller (This is with a assumed final five of Pryz, Roy, LA, Bayless and Blake).
- To his credit: doesn't get discouraged when misses, always plays hard, unselfish, high bball IQ, spreads the floor well
Andre Miller:
- One thing I should note beforehand is that I'm not claiming to know who Andre Miller the person is, for all I know my assessment his character could be highly inaccurate. I'm basing his personality based on information I have read from reporters who have spent time close to him. My argument is more about the importance of feeling comfortable with your teammates and part of that is creating a comfortable environment. Miller is who he is but if what I'm reading is true my opinion is that would have a negative impact on some of the younger, less experienced teammates.
- It's just not working. He seems to shot too much, specifically I don't like how he's been taking the shot at the shot clock buzzer, that should always be Roy. Before the season started we are all about his strong bball IQ but to be honest I'm not really seeing it. He makes ill-advised passes and can rush his shot at times.
- I'm a strong believer of locker room chemistry and I think his personality is having a negative effect on some of his teammates. It's important for a teammate to feel approachable and he just doesn't come off as approachable. This may be intimidating his teammates and as a result might have them second guessing their decisions which results in poor play. Are team is still very young and an intimidating veteran could have negative effect.
- For whatever reason when he need a basket it seems like Miller believes he needs to take the shot first. I don't think that is what we had in mind when we brought him over. He was brought over to get LA, Oden, Rudy and Roy open shots instead he is on path to take the most threes of his careers.
- I understand that the injuries might have Miller thinking we needs to take on a larger role offensively but when we were close to full strength he was still shooting too much.
- He isn't the team player I thought he would be and contrary to what he says he seems unwilling to sacrifice his statistics for wins.
- In his mind he might think he is a star but isn't taking into account that he was a star on a low seed playoff team that gets bounced out of the 1st round. He isn't a star on what should've been a title contender
- When times dare you to shoot don't shot every time. If Pryz did that we would be doomed.
- *note: Wow did I buy into the Miller thing. I told anybody who would listen how great a move this, boy was I wrong. Some might argue that, hey, it's only a quarter through the season how can you call it a mistake, trust me, I've seen enough and I don't see it getting better.
- To his credit: Despite his role has been changed many times this season he has kept a cool head (at least to the media), He might be slow but he is tough and has collected his fair share of steals, got to love a guy who gathers the time together for a discussion throughout the game. Finishes at the hoop, did I mention tough
Martell Webster:
- He hasn't been a disappoint to me bc I've never expected anything from him. I don't understand why people think so highly of him.
- He so rarely puts together a complete game. Not quarter but game. He has only averaged over double digit scoring one season. He is supposed to be THE three point shooter of the team can't hit open ones.
- Teams are almost daring him to shot the three at this point. The talk of his beautiful shot can only go so far before he has to show something.
- His FG% is third worst on the team with only Blake and Outlaw below him.
- He has the least assists out of all guards and SF.
- He cannot dribble.
- He is predictable when going to the hope (baseline handed dunk attempt).
- He goes for highlight dunk often.
- Shot 47.5% in Oct, 40% in Nov., 31.5% in Dec. His 3 pt shooting went from 50% in Oct, 36% in Nov and 32% in Dec.
- Like it said I never thought of Webster as much but if there ever was a season where I believed Webster could flourish is was this one. He had someone weapons on offense that I knew his 3s would be left uncontested. He still couldn't make them.
- Although his defense has improved dramatically and it's clear that he is putting out a stronge effort he just isn't a great defender. He seems to have trouble moving his feet and timing his jumps.
- The only great game he has had this season that I can remember is against Phoenix the other night but besides that it has been an occasional great quarter every few games. Really is whole career highlights have consisted of great quarters, not games.
- When he missed those open threes they aren't rimming out, they are missing badly
- To his credit: He has obviously taken some pride grabbing the big rebound and credit his amazing leaping ability, it's okay for a player to have just one great quarter out of four If you are a role player but for Martell it doesn't happen enough
Lamarcus Aldridge:
- We did overpay him. I don't believe he is a number 2 on a CHAMPIONSHIP team. Before the season started as was on the same boat as everyone else wondering why we hadn't given him the extension for so long but now I feel differently. If Roy is off you cannot count on Aldridge to step up and fill the void. He is too inconsistent and number 2 guy has to be able to deliver when needed.
- What happened to all the potential? He is almost the exact same player statistically as he was in 07-08 except for a slight increase in FT % and slight decrease in turnovers.
- He says he wants to be an all-star but he doesn't seem to have that fire. He looks nervous and unsure of himself at times. The guy doesn't look completely comfortable out there. Nate has said it in the past that Lamarcus thinks too much and I believe it still rings true today. He doesn't let the game come to him; his moves seem pre-determined rather then taking what the defender is giving him.
- How many big, 4th quarter shots can you remember LA making? Not enough for a number 2
- He also seems to give us one or two great quarter rather than a great game.
- LA gets mad when people call him soft, well people call you soft b/c you are. He isn't the soft player the national media makes out to be and we know it but we also know he isn't that tough. Watch LA go for a defensive rebound, he just doesn't fight for it. He seems content being pushed around. At halftime on TNT Kenny Smith, a respected opinion, went as far to say that Frye and Aldridge were the same player except Aldridge is more consistent, now any Blazer fans knows this is b.s. what the fact that this is an observation from a national critic, albeit and incorrect, is still not a good sign. LA has shown signs of toughness with his post moves but he doesn't use his body enough when getting rebounds and playing. When Oden or Pryz are on the floor it feels as if they are all alone defensively, I shouldn't have that feeling but that's how ineffective Aldridge has been. What worries me is that I just don't think it's within LA to bring out that toughness...
- I have a fear that we may be seeing L.A. at his best. He continues to improve on his strengths but has not shown much development with his weaknesses. Don't get me wrong, LA is unquestionable a starting PF and a great one at that, but he is not a #2.
- Something else I was excitied about before the season was the new offensive Oden combined with LA. Oden's power inside game combined with Aldridge finesse outside game. Sounds like the most deadly combination, Oden get his numbers but Aldridge's numbers remained unchanged. Maybe there wasn't enough time between the two to figure it out, maybe it was the coaching, or maybe Aldridge can't make the adjustment.
- It has ben said that Portland is too much in love with their own players and I think the LMA deal could be evidence of it. I think we could of waited till the end of the year to offer the extension. At the end of the year we could way our options (I believe Bill Simmons touched on this). One thing that would make this an issue is that this would of probably some hurt feeling from LMA going into this season and likely would of lead to an upset fan base. Remember we pushed for them to make this extension.
- This isn't basketball skill related but man is he a terrible interview. Did he memorize the athlete handbook on how to answer questions with the same boring answer for every boring question he's asked. Out of all the players LA seems the most removed from his real personality when answering questions then anyone else. He needs to take some lessons from Roy.
- To his credit: he does do things better then any other PF like beating his man down the floor (I love how he runs straight down the middle of the floor, you don't see many other big men around the league do that), running the break and taking the outside shot (does any PF hit a deeper turnaround jump shot), some physical offense, he has a very smooth running hook. Aldridge has assets that no other PF has but it seems to come at the expense of skills he lacks in.
* Going back and looking at this it does seem like I'm overly critical of Lamarcus, I didn't intend for this but rather it just came out that way.
Couple of quick hits on the rest of the roster
Greg Oden
- It's sad to say but it's clear we cannot build around Oden bc we cannot count on him being on the floor. We are going to need to learn to incorporate when he is around. I hate giving in and saying this but he is injury prone.
- Who knew incorporating a center with offense was going to be this difficult. Before Oden went down it didn't look like we were getting any closer.
Travis Outlaw
- Do we resign Outlaw? Has he played his last game for Portland? For all the Outlaw hating I think now that he has been gone we can see just how valuable he was especially on the offensive side if the ball
- At this point in his career Outlaw is Outlaw. He has glaring strengths and weaknesses. I personally think we keep him. I like the idea of having a team that plays great team basketball but we have this wild card we can throw out there how is really playing is own game. The defense has to pay attention to him.
Rudy Fernandez
- This guy is just show much fun to watch play. There is a reason is a fan favorite.
- With all the injuries we have nobody that can hit the three and that's where we are missing him the most
- What happened to Rudy attacking the basket? Everytime he does he almost always passes out of it. Get a little selfish Rudy! You are the same guy who dunked on Howard in the onlympics and was in the dunk contest last year right?
Nicolas Batum *thanks for pointing this out
- I recall a quick chat early in the year were the discussion of the impact Batum being out would have on this team. Quick downplayed by bringing a valid argument that the reality was Batum was a player who only averaged 18 mins a game and that his absence wouldn't amount to that strong of an impact. He was only half right about this, Yes Batum only played 18 mins but it was understated just how valuable those 18 mins were.This was clear to me during the 2nd game of the season when we faced Denver and had nobody, and I mean nobody, who could gaurd Carmelo Anthony. Anthony went for 41 points on 11-21 shooting. I decided to look up the last time Batum faced Carmelo and I found that Anthony went for only 13 points on 3-18 shooting. I looked at several other match-ups and it seemed to be true more often than not that Batum's defensive presence was important (I should note this wasn't always true, for example Kevin Durant this year)
- Also for a team that seems to have a hard time finishing fast breaks this was never a weakness for Batum who excelled at running the floor. We have missed his ability to finish strong at at the hoop.
Joel Pryzbilla
- This guy is so valuable. Just love him. I don't think I have anything negative to say about the guy
- Actually I did think of something, have you ever seen a 7 footer get blocked as much as Pryz? I know your not suppose to have offense but come Joel you can at least jump when you go up for a dunk.
Jerryd Bayless
- He needs to play. I understood Nate not playing him the previous season (he couldn't make an outside and his drives to the hope were easily stopped by opponents) but now it needs to happen. I don't even understand what is the excuse not to.
- The shot may not look pretty but it's going in and that's all that matters. With each basket it's only raising his confidence.
- He looks like he belongs in crunch time in the fourth
- The guy has that kill mode that many blazers lack
- Bayless thank you for talking a little smack, I'm not asking for the Jailblazers but do we really need choir boys? You need that swagger to win championships. Rudy has it, Jerryd has it, Roy has it, Joel has it but there rest are just too nice. You know we aren't there yet when other fan bases don't hate any particular player on the blazers (One reader mentioned Pryz and he is right, but it ends there). People might say they hate the blazers but then ask them who they hate, they will probably say they just hate the blazers now ask any blazer fan why they hate Boston and they will give you names and with good reason.
- Bayless growth actually brings on some questions for the GM and coaching staff. Did they really evaluate Bayless as not even ready to be a backup PG this season? They watched the guy for a year and their assessment was that we wasn't going ot be ready? If not then why bring in Miller, obviously some managment didn't believe in Bayless. Now we are stuck in a simiar Portland situation, three PG that are relatively even with each other (Jack, Sergio and Blake and now Miller, Blake, Bayless) the difference being that we are dealing with better PGs this time. It's important to note that the three PGs became an issue and it became clear somebody had to go, what makes this time around any different.
Juwan Howard
- I'm getting exactly what I thought I would get from Howard and more.
- No disrespect to Howard but I feel like I shouldn't ever of had to see as much of Howard as I have this season
Dante Cunningham
- The kid is knocking down shots but I think we are going to see some games with an empty stat line. He is a 2nd round rookie so not much should be expected. Have to give credit because he was ready when is number was called.
Patty Mills/Jeff Pentagraph
- Somebody please remind some delusional blazer fans the success rate of mid second picks... Yeah but there is just something exciting about getting a first look at a new player and it's a better feeling to believe that can be one of the few 2nd rounders who can really contribute rather than the majority who don't pan out.
Nate McMillian
- I've always been a Nate supporter but my opinion began to change during the playoff series with Houston. The game plan didn't feel right. We seemed over coached and went away from what worked during the season. To Nate's defense Houston was just a bad match up for us.
- Player progression: I haven't seen enough improvements, the weaknesses of Aldridge, Martell and Rudy (lack of progression in Outlaw I understand, Outlaw is Outlaw) Although strengths became even stronger I feel the players weaknesses were unchanged and in terms of a players weakness I think that area plays more on the coach for improvement than the player.
- Where are the easy shots? We have a team filled with intelligent players yet there are many times where the ball isn't moving at all. How hasn't a more effective offense been established? Our interior defense is also extremely frustrating to watch. One example that stood out was the Hawks game. Seemingly every shot came from within the key. Oden and Pryz are too big and too good for that to happen so how does it?
- Player substitution has been inconsistent and odd at times. Nate unwillingness to trust Bayless and pull a struggling Blake has been frustrating to watch. Even my most half-ass blazer fan friends wonder why Blake isn't pulled and why Bayless isn't playing more. Another annoyance was Nate immediately pulling Oden after two fouls instead of letting him learn to play with the fouls. Miller may not be playing well but I can see why he is frustrated, his rotation has been all over the place this season. Too many intriguing lineups are/were never used. Why didn't Nate ever put Oden and Pryz on the floor together?
- Nate is has proven that he can build a program from cellar dweller to respectable but I question whether he can take them from playoff team to championship team. These guys may not be ready yet but they need to be given more freedom.
- So what is the answer? The ones calling for Nate to be fired I hope you realize that would be a very controversial move. Keep in mind we have only gotten better with Nate. Although we see plenty of problems with his coaching it should be noted we would get buried by the national media. To them it would look like we jumped to gun and would look disrespectful to the coach who brought us her. If Nate did this for another team and they canned him how would you think of it? The national media was upset about the canning of Eddie Jordan in Washington and they weren't good or going anymore, imagine Nate.
- There are a lot of different areas of discussion with Nate that this conflict isn't as easy as it seems.
Blazer Fans
- I love how loyal Portland fans are but we are also a little delusional. For whatever reason Blazers fans tend to be very dramatic at the first sign of distress. Blazer fans treat the blazers like they are our children, the only people who can say anything bad about them is us, we think we know them better then anybody else and we tend to react more on our initial emotion instead of well thought of reasoning. I hope we are smarter then what some of the message boards say. Trade ____ and fire____ isn't necessarily the answer. There are no quick fixes.
- To our defense it's much hard being a Blazer fan this year. It doesn't get much better than last year. I exceeded expectations and we watching a team grow from having several bad seasons to finally achieving success. We won every close game in what always seemed like come from behind victories. We were spoiled. We were underdogs, it was a win-win because either we play to our half-ass expectations or we exceeded them. I witnessed what has to be the second best year in a franchise (the best year being winning the title). Besides the title I don't know if there is anything better than watching a team that has struggle finally achieve success again.
Mike Rice
Okay, I really don't understand why everybody loves this guy so much. Am I the only one who finds his inability to say anything bad about the blazers or compliment any play of the opposing team annoying!? I would honestly mute of television if I enjoy fan reaction (especially home games) to the game so much. Are some reasons why:
- Whenever a call is made against us Rice always feels it's incorrect and then goes on to blame to specific official
- Replays often prove Rice incorrect yet he still acts as if the replay agrees with his assessment
- He calls a grown man "Blakey"
- Often exaggerates/embellishes Blazer statistics, recent gameplay (ie "Webster has been the hot blazers the last week ." the reality being in 1 of the 20 quarters Webster had played that week he had scored 12 points while in the other 19 quarters he had scored 12 total points)
- Often refers to the Blazers as "we" which is known as unprofessional in broadcasting.
- Rarely gives credit to the opponents or gives backhanded compliments
- Will often harp and whine on a previous play for several minutes
He has even begun to poison Mike Barrett's brain with the homerism. I wish Wheels could lose weight so they can put him on live tv. I'd even take Antonio Harvey/ (Steve Jones why did you leave)
*note on Mike Rice. I do understand that what a listed above are the same reasons many fans like Mike Rice so I guess its a preference.
Me
- People often think they're much more clever then they actually are and I'm surely guilty of it myself. I probably contradicted myself several times and likely some of my thoughts proven wrong so if you can, please do. By no way am saying that what I think is right it's just the way I feel. If anyone has any thoughts on my thoughts please share. I'm often too negative and in the minority in my line of thought but come on, someone has to agree with me on some of this.
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Wow
I think you need to reformat this. I think there is a setting for pasting from Word or which ever program you used.
You're welcome
What I do is past it in a comment from Word, then hit “Preview” then copy that with all the formatting removed and then put it in the fanpost. The paste from Word has been hit or miss with me.
And you get a rec
Probably the best FanPost of 2009. I’m glad you acknowledged that there is more to this team than Roy, Miller, Bayless, and Blake.
I also think you might have been a little hard on LA. He don’t do much in the 4th quarter because he only gets to touch the ball if it is a rebound and his contract won’t look so bad when folks see what David Lee and others get from the teams that lose out in the LeBron, Wade, Bosh sweepstakes.
Also, LMA is playing hurt right now
If the roster weren’t so thin, you can be sure LMA would be back in Portland icing his ankle. LMA doesn’t have the body to be physical, so he gets labeled “soft.” But I don’t entirely agree with that label. The guy will never be a banger, but he has heart. Paired with physical centers like GO & Przy, LMA’s finesse is a good fit.
BTW: I stopped reading your post when I got to your assessment of Kenny Smith as “a respected opinion.” Really??
Like Barkley, Smith was an NBA player and has an engaging personality. But to truly qualify as an “expert,” you have to put in the work: watching LOTS of games, talking to lots of coaches & GM’s (not just the ones on the team you’re about to cover), etc. Smith, Barkley, and most of the other ex-players doing NBA commentary are too lazy to bother with all that. That’s why none of these guys has been an NBA coach or GM’s himself. It would take away from his golf game. (Not that playing golf regularly has done much for Barkley’s swing—gad!)
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
“BTW: I stopped reading your post when I got to your assessment of Kenny Smith as "a respected opinion." Really??”
you stopped reading? that seems like a harsh reaction. Respected opinion was the wrong choice of words on my part, although I do believe Kenny knows what he’’s talking about for the most part. I was trying to give an example of how nationally LMA isn’t recognized as the great player that the Portland fans know he is. Although we know LMA is a great player an outside perspective on his talent has to mean something. Praise for LMA hasn’t been as strong as it has been locally. Kenny wasn’t a great example but just something I had heard recently.
Kenny killed Hurryup09's pa
And shouldn’t he change it to ’10, since Oden done got hurt?
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions
Actually, I'm waiting until 1-1-10 to become "good riddance '09"
Dang it, Tom: you made me give that away.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
Sorry if I sounded harsh
But by gosh, you’re still doing it! “…an outside perspective on his talent has to mean something.” Say what? Not if that “outside perspective” is based on ignorance.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
wut? LMA is horrible
If he can only touch the ball when he gets a rebound, THEN MAYBE HE SHOULD REBOUND
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:08 AM PST up reply actions
Miller is a way crappier player than LA
It’s Oden’s job to rebound, not LA’s.
"Playing for the Trail Blazers is kind of like being the drummer for Spinal Tap" - Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 20, 2009 10:59 AM HST
Do you see LMA as a potential starter on a championship team?
I do. I also see Greg and Brandon in the same manner. The truth of the matter is that right now we are short two in championship level starters department.
In evaluating LMA’s game I would simply say he is who he is, a player just below the all star level, a very good role player who has a pretty well rounded game. Inside, outside, runs the floor well, and plays adequate defense. Not a player who will lead a team to the promised land, but a player who can help a team get there.
People get upset with LMA because of their own foolish expectations. It is easy to be critical of him for being soft or for not giving all he has to give. The truth of the matter is that he is who he is—a good, not great, NBA player. A player that could reasonably start on a championship team.
#52
Disagree about missing two starters
Batum or a more mature Batum I expect to see by next year or the year after is an excellent compliment to the big three. We need a guy who is an outstanding perimeter defender; able to hit the three to spread the floor; able to do a little slashing and comfortable running the floor. To me that sounds like a slightly more mature Batum.
IMO, this team has two obvious holes: we need a long term starting PG, and we need one more quality 4-5. Hopefully Bayless will develop into a guy who can fill the PG hole, but he has a way to go. Hopefully KP will find us another big man.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions
Starter? Sure. #2 option? Heck no
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:09 AM PST up reply actions
My main point with the starter business
was that we need to take a look at our expectations. Being overly critical of a guy who could be part of our championship team is a little silly. It is a matter of expectations. Some people have him (along with some others) rated so highly that the cannot see what we have.
#52
You forgot Batum
I think he was going to have a great year, with the improved offense he showed over the summer. I think we are missing him a lot. Defense, blocks, dunks, and he could hit the three.
It is still too early to say Batum is at that level.
The shoulder injury this year definitely held up his progress. Bayless, Batum, and Rudy all have a chance in the future. I would say Batum has the best chance though because of his defense and BBIQ.
#52
Didn't see this comment till I had already responded above.
Agreed on Batum, I am about 70-80% sure he will be able to give us what we need.
IMO, Rudy is closer to his ceiling than either Bayless or Batum. He is the most skilled of the three but he is also the guy with the most physical limitations. I expect he is always going to struggle defending 1s and 3s.
Bayless has already shown that he can be an effective energy/scorer off the bench, and although he currently makes a fair number of mistakes on defense, I think you can see that he will ultimately be a pretty good defender. He is never going to be great against 2s and 3s because he doesn’t have the length, but I think he can be pretty good against PGs. Whether Bayless becomes a starting quality distributor, or at least good enough to be effective next to Roy is the big question.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
We could probably say that Batum has the lowest injury IQ on the team
Who knows they need surgery and then waits practically until opening night to have it?
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2009 10:42 AM PST up reply actions
The injury he had is usually treated with rest
It got aggravated in camp and they decided he had to have the surgery.
The timing sucked, but I don’t think it was Nic’s or the training staff’s fault.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
Nic said after the surgery that he knew he was going to need it sooner or later
He should have got it the day after playing in France. No way he would have made it through an entire NBA season and the playoffs.
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions
I hadn't heard that
Do you remember where you read this Tom?
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I'll look for it
I think it was from #10’s blog translations.
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
found it
Right off the bat, how do you feel after your operation?
It’s alright… but five months pisses me off. I knew since August that I would need surgery one day or another.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/11/15/1158938/short-batum-interview-nov-15th
"Playing for the Trail Blazers is kind of like being the drummer for Spinal Tap" - Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 20, 2009 10:59 AM HST
The one novelty lineup I always wanted to see:
Andre Miller at the point, Bayless at the 2, Webster at the 3, Batum at the 4 and Aldridge at the 5, on a fast break. Alley oop, dunk, repeat.
Overall I like your fanshot. I think you're being hard on LMA, though.
Also, the delusion on Blazer fans regarding second round picks? True, their not as likely to turn into real NBA players, but gems come out of the second round every year, like Ginobli. Miils was slated to in the first round by several mock drafts, and I saw one or two where he was a lottery pick. He was a steal where we got him. I think people will be pleasantly surprised at what he brings if he gets some time.
Oden fan for life
How is he being hard on LMA? He signed a monster deal and REGRESSED
I think you’re not being hard enough on him
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:10 AM PST up reply actions
I couldn't get past
the part where you crawled inside Andre’s head and figured out the locker room chemistry.
Maybe you somehow have these psychic powers really dialed in, but for me it’s hard to take the rest of your post seriously after reading that.
- Jeffe I think you misunderstood me. I tried to go back and clarify a little more. I didn’t think I was crawling into his head but rather taking what I’ve read and heard about his personality from the internet and gave my take as to how a loner type personality could have an effect on a locker room. I don’t think I was trying to solve the locker room chemistry.
- Those “psychic powers” is called reading oregonlive.
- wow, you disagree with one thought of mine so then I immediately lose all credibility. You’re tough reader.
Why
do you think his personality is having a negative effect on team mates in the locker room?
Where does that come from?
You say he is an “intimidating” veteran? Everything I’ve read says just the opposite about him.
He’s a star “in his own mind” ? Definitely the opposite of what I’ve seen and read.
I just haven’t read or heard any thing to back up most of what you were saying about Miller. It seems you are finding answers to your emotional/gut instincts that seem to come from…. I don’t know where. I read a lot of posts with this type of justification for emotional preferences. Generally I take it for what it is and move on. I probably should have here as well.
by Jeffe Portland on Dec 20, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe it's because the chemistry sucks this season
That’s not personal preference. Anyone watching the games can see this…..no high fiving, no smiles or laughs. Players, including Roy, walk to the bench for timeouts with their heads down and on and on. The chemistry sucks.
Last season, the chemistry was awesome. The players picked each other up, had each others backs and generally appeared to be having fun out there.
The only new player in that locker room is Miller (other than rookies). He’s known around the league for being a surly, quiet and a loner. His first week with the team, he goes to Marc Spears and blasts the team. You think that endeared him to his teammates? Not a chance…….
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I've seen Blake and Miller
Several times on court chatting and laughing during dead-ball situations. Also I’ve seen a lot of the Bayless jumping body high-five with Roy or LMA and Martell giving BRex the big-brother hug or hair ruffle.
I think chemistry is fine on this team – IMHO the bigger issue is the schedule and the number of freakish injuries.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
It's been getting better with all the injuries
They’ve helped bring everyone closer, but I’ve seen too many games where the passion and excitement for each other is not there. Bayless has injected some energy and he actually seems like a great chemistry guy, which is sort of funny because I don’t think many people shared that view, at least before he started playing.
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I like that you end with self-criticism, which is something we could all stand to do a little more...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Total emotional justification on your part
You lost all credibility.
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Most excellent
Good analysis, especially on Mike Rice. During the Atlanta game (I think) he was actually talking directly to the referees DURING THE GAME ON tv to try and get the Blazers a call. Redefines unprofessional, although he was right in this case (bringing his officiating success rate somewhere around 5%)
I think when you make a fanpost
you should reread and edit it. Its not grammatical errors I’m really worried about but you forgot a lot of words that were important to the meaning of your post such as your comment about Roy “He’s not finishing at the as much and things don’t as easy for him as they did last year.” About Andre Miller you said he takes too many shots at the shot clock. I feel like he does that out of necessity though and it shows his IQ. When he catches a mini flaming bag pass with 3 or 4 seconds left on the shot clock he gets himself a shot and shoots it, unlike others on our team who would throw the SUPER flaming bag pass so someone receives the ball with 1 second on the shot clock. Also I don’t think its a bad thing that he’s quiet, Roy leads this team, there are other vocal leaders, he just plays basketball. HIs worth to the team is that he gets the ball moving, he initiates the offense, and not only does he get assists he much more often makes the pass to the guy who has a better pass who gets the assist.
yeah sorry about that, it was pretty late at night. I’ll try and clean it up when I get a chance. I agree that he does have excellent awareness of the shot clock but I just feel that should be Roy’s shot as much as we can make it Roy’s shot. I don’t think I gave Andre as much credit as he deserves in my post. His ability to find the open man cannot be argued. Also losing so many offensive weapons to injury hasn’t helped him find the open man.
No question Rice is a blazer fan. You and I just want different things out of our announcer. There is nothing wrong with the announcer being a fan of the team but it bothers me when he is watching that game more as cheerleader rather than giving insight into the game.
And also concerning Mike Rice
I love the wild one, he is an announcer for comcast so most of the people watching the games are Blazer fans. He’s a blazer fan and I’m a blazer fan and the reason I love him is because of how entertaining it is to listen to him. I’d rather hear a funny blazer fan announcing than a boring national TV announcer who cheers for everybody but the blazers.
He's not professional.
I don’t need to have a drunk guy announcing on the TV.
Really he sounds drunk.
by BatumRaider on Dec 20, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Turn down the sound, you are spending too much time obsessing on the audio and not enough watching the game itself
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Who cares if Mike Rice isn’t professional enough, HE’s THE COLOR GUY…….Most of the time he’s being a homer on purpose, in a joking way.
People need to stop being so serious and just enjoy the team.
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I always watch Blazers games with a beer in hand
and take a drink every time Mike Rice says something that either makes him sound drunk or is laugh-out-loud outlandish. I love Rice. I watch the Blazers to be entertained and he entertains the hell out of me.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 22, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions
So basically...
…you’re in the bag by the beginning of the third quarter then? ;-)
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
I stop at A beer
otherwise I’d turn into a lush and it would all be Mike Rice’s fault.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 22, 2009 5:12 PM PST up reply actions
I always used to enjoy Rice. I still do at times
But when he gets one of his endless monologues going and won’t let anyone else get a word in edgewise, I’m sorry but that IS annoying. Big time.
It’s semi-amusing to watch Courtside on t.v. and see Rice’s long-suffering fellow announcers roll their eyes and shake their heads as Rice goes on & on ad nauseum. He’s kind of like their senile granddad whom they tolerate because he’s family.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
Rice is good for one
belly laugh per game, which is why I love him. I don’t watch the game to have former coaches and players try and break it down shotgun style for me, most of them stink at it, and because of that they only break down plays that are so obvious they don’t need to be broken down. The worst at this is Hubie Brown on ESPN.
A color guy should be there to add a little insight, and some fun to the game. I would love to see the Blazers try something drastic like putting a pure fan on with Mike Barrett if Rice ever retires. Right now Rice almost fills that role, but I believe adding the fan’s perspective on broadcast would be something new, inventive and special. If not on the crew calling the game, then maybe on the pregame, halftime, and post game crews.
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This is uncalled for
Enough other people disagreed with your assessment that his post ended up in the recommended section. Argue the ideas, don’t attack the poster.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 22, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
I agree with a lot
Roy: I think he’s adjusting, but still fantastic, I get the feeling he’s running a marathon and not a sprint. Keeper
Aldridge : Trade him now, while everyone else thinks he’s fantastic, watching him go against Amare on Thursday showed how he is not aggressive enough.
Oden : Keeper
Blake :Bencher
Bayless : Keeper
Rudy : Keeper
Batum : Keeper
Vanilla : Keeper
Trout : Trade
Miller : Trade
Webster : Bencher
Howard : Keeper until his arms fall off
I’d like to see us package Miller, Aldridge, and Outlaw for someone or a couple of consistent pieces.
ANy thought on who we could pick up for those guys ?
Rice : Can’t stand him
Barrett : is excellent.
That's just how it works with blogs
Everyone hates your favorite player and loves whatever guy is in his way. And if you hate a player, it is the opposite. After Bayless had a good game, a few folks were calling out Steve Blake supporters, and even many of his haters acknowledged that Blake doesn’t really have any supporters.
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
Trade Aldridge?
To whom, for what????
LMA has occasional games where he seems to disappear. Whether this is dealing with nagging injuries, a lack of physical energy, or a lapse of concentration is not always clear. What is clear is that when LMA plays well, the team usually wins, and when he plays poorly, the team usually looses. To me that pattern is an indication of just how important he is to the team’s success.
If you are going to trade LMA, at most there are only a handful of better young PF who would fit the timeline with Roy and Oden. Unless you can work out a sign and trade with Toronto for Chris Bosh, I think you are crazy.
Players are human they aren’t perfect and they have off nights. I realize LMA can be frustrating, but randomly proposing trades doesn’t strike me as well thought out. Blockbuster trades are very rare for a reason.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions
exploring trades for aldridge is actually a great idea
except i agree his value isn’t that great outside of the town of Portland
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:12 AM PST up reply actions
I don't understand, why you are so down on LMA?
He is very important to our success on both ends, has great length, and excellent athleticism. Just because he isn’t Duncan or Malone doesn’t mean he isn’t valuable. The team would be in the ditch without LMA.
by upper left corner on Dec 21, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Leeroy is always grumpy
I only remember him being happy after the Suns game. I have no memory of him ever being happy or positive except for that day.
"Playing for the Trail Blazers is kind of like being the drummer for Spinal Tap" - Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 20, 2009 10:59 AM HST
I posted a 'nice win' in the comments for the Miami game
I was beaming
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
Because he's going to get a 100% increase in his salary and he hasn't earned it
Also because like Blake and some of the others, Portland fans tend to be in heavy denial about LMA which I find annoying.
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
Also because he used to be my favorite player because I can see his potential
But alas he’s a fay jump shooter which I don’t find very intriguing, especialy since I already watched Sheed throw away a potential HoF career because he couldn’t or wouldn’t play to his strengths.
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
Haven't you noticed that LMA is playing hurt? Instead of getting credit, he's getting roasted
As for Amare, you may have observed that he ran out of gas after all those impressive dunks. LMA was like Ali doing the rope-a-dope while Foreman punched himself out.
Oh, and you may also have observed (or should have) that Amare plays no defense whatsoever. By contrast, LMA is very active and unselfish at the defensive end.
There’s a REASON that the Suns have repeatedly tried to trade Amare over the years. Great talent, but not really a team guy. Or at least that’s his rep.
LMA’s game has it’s drawbacks. But I’m struck by how many Blazer fans fail to see his strengths. This is a 7-footer who runs the court like a gazelle, plays hard at both ends, has an unblockable jumper, is a willing passer, etc. The guy ain’t chopped liver, folks. Pair him with a mature Greg Oden, and I think you’ll see a dominant front court combo.
Remember, Bill Walton wasn’t a physical player either. But he meshed perfectly with Maurice Lucas. I think GO and LMA have the potential to be a similarly compatible pair.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
by hurryup09 on Dec 20, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
stop it
a tweaked ankle is not a big deal
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions
Leeroy knows all about playing hurt
He’s typing with a hangnail right now.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
two hangnails + a screwed up back and carpal tunnel in the wrist
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions
The carpal tunnel would get better
If you stopped visiting certain web sites.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
If this is your first Fanpost, then I will give you credit for lots of effort...
….however, you really need to work on making your post more readable. If you are going to take the time to write it and ask us to take the time to read it, then you need to spell check and proof read your work.
I don’t mind a few misplaced commas or the occasional misspelling, but at a certain point I’m not willing to wade through the muck to try to figure out what you are saying.
On substance I think you are overly harsh on Webster and LMA. Coming back from 12 months off is a process. It takes guys a while to find their skills and even longer to regain consistency. Martell has been very inconsistent he has had some good nights and a few like last night. He definitely needs to be better, but I think it is a bit premature to give up on him. If you think this team struggles without Oden, just think of where we would be without LMA. He can be frustrating at times, but he contributes a lot to this teams success on both ends. He has some gaps in his game, but I don’t even want to think were this team would be w/o LMA.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions
It's way better than it was last night
It was literally about 3 feet long on the screen with all these crazy formatting things.
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
Oh yeah, and while I am giving you a hard time.....
…….don’t try to do too much psychoanalyzing of player. We don’t know what goes on inside Andre’s head. We do know that he is well liked by the majority of his former teammates. Wild speculation is probably wildly inaccurate.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Yes this wasn’t a very well written post. I’m sorry about that. It was more of a collection of thoughts that I tried organize as best I could. I will certainly pay closer attention to my next post. I appreciate the advice. Cut me some slack is was 4:00 am.
I disagree that Webster has many good nights. I think that is a common misconception with Webster. When you look at his stats there haven’t been many good nights. I just don’t know if he has it. Webster was taken out of HS at a time when many players were and a lot of those HS players didn’t pan out. Webster belongs in this league but I don’t know if his value is very high.
I don’t mean to be too harsh on LMA. He is a very good player. My argument is more that he isn’t a #2 on a championship team but we gave him #2 money.. Look at the number 2 guy on other championship teams, do you think is capable of being that caliber of player?
I see where your coming from when you say I shouldn’t psychoanalyzing player. Yes I don’t know what’s going on inside players heads. All my speculation aside I just believe that the various elements of the psychology plays a very important role in basketball. How me analyze that is a bit of a slippery slop because were are dealing with assumptions. I just believe that when your dealing with a young team the psychology plays a larger role then usual.
Just because LA got #2 money, doesn't mean the Blazers thought he was a #2
If he would have been a restricted free agent next year, some team that lost out on the Bosh/LeBron/Wade da kine would have had to show their fans that were still going to sign a quality player and they would have overpaid for LA and Portland would have had to match because they can’t just let him walk.
by tominhawaii on Dec 20, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
I generally agree
I think both LMA and the team had an incentive to strike a deal. Both were trying to manage risk.
LMA couldn’t afford to risk serious injury, nor did it make sense for him to risk having a down year and see his money hurt.
The team couldn’t afford for some team to overpay and force them to match; d id they want to deal with the fan anxiety that would have been created if they had not signed him; nor did they want LMA to feel betrayed by the franchise.
Given that LMA has backslide a bit this season, it now appears that they may have slightly overpaid. But LMA started slow last season and he has been playing hurt. I think in the long run the team got a good deal. Fans are down on LMA at the moment, but he has a long career in front of him and I think he will continue to improve.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
I agree completely
Just about everyone has backslid. It also seems like everyone has backslid because teams don’t have to guard all the Blazers injured players.
Yep
You take that many rotation players away from any team in the NBA—including the Lakers & Celtics—and they’ll stink. The Blazers have actually impressed me with their competitiveness, especially lately.
If they can stay around .500 until they get some of the guys back, they’ll be very much in the playoff hunt.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
lol nobody was going to overpay LMA
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:13 AM PST up reply actions
There is no way to prove it either way
So I’m right. Just wait until you see what David Lee gets this summer.
"Playing for the Trail Blazers is kind of like being the drummer for Spinal Tap" - Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Dec 20, 2009 10:59 AM HST
LOL
There is no way to prove it either way, so I’m right.
If I didn’t like Dave’s Johnny Flynn joke so much I would make this my new signature.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 22, 2009 9:34 AM PST up reply actions
How do you figure
Look at what Charlie V got this summer, when there was no competition for his services.
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the economy has worsened and LMA has no value outside of Portland
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
That said you're right, someone would overpay him
That someone is us
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions
that is only your opinion, not a fact.
If LMA continues to play this year like he has played the previous years he would have commanded $10-12 per year easily. And with so many teams having cap space this summer, one of them would have gone after him once the big guys were signed, no question. Don’t you think Miami would love to have him with Wade? Their fans would, if you read their message boards after last nights game, (and that wasn’t a very good game from LMA either!).
There is a saying, not sure where it came from, but it is oh so true here in PDX, “familiarity breeds contempt”. Sometimes we don’t know how good we have it until it is gone. LMA might not be an All-Star, he might not be living up to fans expectations, but he is a very good player worth alot of money in the NBA no matter the economy.
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He's barely an above average player, not a very good one
And the Blazers overpaid for him. If by some miracle he elevates his game someday I will come back and eat my crow.
Using comments taken from opposing fans after LMA has a decent showing against them is poor evidence imo for your position.
You guys are acting like Charlie Villeneuva’s contract is sane. It’s not. Neither is LMA’s.
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions
in other word's saying "some other team would have overpaid for him so we should too" is bad rationale
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions
no that is not what I was saying.
what i was saying in other words was, “that is how much a player who produces like LMA makes in the NBA, so pay him”. Just because we dont’ like paying him that much, doesn’t mean that he is not worth that much in today’s NBA.
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I just don't think you understand the NBA market that well
Bogut – not a great big, but a good one, got paid big. $60 million over 5 years.
Charlie V – not a good big, but a decent one, got paid big. $37.7 million over 5 years
A. Bynum – not a great big, but a good one, got paid big. $57.2 million over 4years
T. Chandler – not a great big, but a good one, got paid big. $63 million over 6 years
Big Z – not a great big, but a good one, got paid big. $50.7 million over 5 years.
E. Dampier – not even a good big, but a decent one, got paid big.
Nene – not a great player, but a good one, got paid big. $60 million over 6 years
Troy Murphy – not a great player, but a good one, got paid Big.
Chris Kaman – not a great player, but a good one, got paid Big $52 million over 5 years.
Al Jefferson – not a great player, but a good one, got paid Big $65 million over 5 years.
Emeka Okafor – not a great player, but a decent-good one, got paid Big. $72 million over 6 years.
Elton Brand – Not a great player, but a good one coming off a huge injury got paid big. $79+million over 5 years.
LMA not a great player but a good one, and younger than everyone on this list but Bynum. $65 million over 5 years.
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by usmcr3049 on Dec 21, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for compiling this
Players on this list I’d rather have over LMA: < crickets >
Okafor makes more than LMA? Jefferson makes as much? I think they got a deal when they resigned LMA. – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
I didn't mean to be too critical, it was a good first effort
Hopefully my comments fall under the general heading of “constructive criticism.”
You may be right about Webster. I am just saying I think the jury is still out. He is only 22, and he is coming off a long layoff/injury. In addition, I don’t think Nate has done him any favors with the way he has bounced around his role and minutes. Martell has always struck me as a guy whose confidence is a little shaky. I think he would benefit from getting consistent support from the coaching staff.
LMA has definitely slid back from where he was at the end of last season, but that may not be permanent. He started slow last year too. Some guys do. That has been Miller’s MO throughout his long career. LMA is also not yet a finished product. He needs to step up, but I think he has the tools to do so.
I agree that chemistry is vitally important. I am just suggesting cation when it comes to projecting stuff onto players. It isn’t that it doesn’t matter, it is that it matters a great deal. As fans we don’t want to make false assumptions or leap to faulty conclusions.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
Step Back
You are presenting a lot of specifics about players and people. That’s fine. But sometimes I think you can be looking at the tree’s and miss the forest.
Yes, as Jack Ramsay said, and McMillan said, there is no room in the N.B.A. for feeling sorry for yourself or making excuses. The franchise, The team, The inividual players and the coaches cannot afford to do so. This team must continue…Huzzah!
Having said that, when I read your post, I can’t help but think you aren’t looking enough at the big picture. This team has struggled this season. Individuals have struggled. But unfortunately I think this team has had the rug almost cruelly pulled out from underneath it, not just once but several times.
Losing Batum at the final moment before the season starts. Losing Outlaw, losing Fernandez,….and the big one…losing Oden. Okay, no excuses BUT really this has been a season of devestation.
I really believe this team was just begining to come together. I think we were just begining to see Oden “The Force” and the team was “getting” playing with him. Oden was as confident and as active as I had ever seen him. Then…well we all know the story.
No excuses BUT this team has had to change gears several times this season so far alone. So you can go person to person evaluating specifics it is valid. But sometimes I think given that everytime a person goes down, or a skill is lost, everyone surrounding has to adjust, then why is it a suprise?
Brandon has been faced with the integration attempt of the addition of Miller and all that it means to Brandon and this team.
Expectations and what we want from Aldridge change drastically when you go from a frontline of Oden and Aldridge to Aldridge and Pyzybilla.
Step Back and you might conclude it’s amazing we are doing as well as we are doing.
Just as an “humorous” aside, given Mike Barret, Wheels and Rice, I actually find Rice the most willing to be “negative” about The Blazers. Often Rice will disagree with a player rotation or someone on the bench or playing. But I find Rice to be the most rebellious of all the Blazer company men.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
Nice post
These are young guys, who can only be expected to handle a certain amount of adversity without having their play affected. I think most fans are struggling to deal with altered expectations, it must be even harder for the players.
The team is currently struggling and unlikely to contend for anything more than a low playoff seed, but this season is not a total write-off. They are likely looking at a couple of months of mediocre ball, but I expect them to be playing well again before the season is over.
by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
good stuff
If only Lamarcus would put that kind of effort into his game
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
This was a reasonable post. I didn't agree with every single detail
but so what?
We’ve had worse broadcast teams than Barrett and Rice. MB cries about the refs too much and this seems to be getting worse. But the combined sound of their voices doesn’t tend to get on my nerves — which is important if you’re not paying much attention to a bad game.
ignacio
the notorious
mike rice is one of the best things about the blazers franchise.
In a world of monotonous sameness, Rice is an authentic original.
Not sure he’s the best the Blazers could do — but they most certainly could do worse.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Dec 20, 2009 4:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think we can safely say LaMarcus needs a little more time before we call him a #2 championship bust.
How’s 4-5 more years sound? Fair enough?


"Sometimes that light at the end of the tunnel is a train."
-- Charles Barkley
You guys gave Travis six seasons and you still think he's going to someday 'get it'
may as well give LMA a decade
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions
I guess Memphis should have given up on Paul too then after his 3rd season?
Where he averaged only 17.7pts and 7.7rebs?
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He has improved every single year
Why would he suddenly stop improving after improving every year? – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
if I recall,
Gasol has been injured this year, and is still putting up better numbers across the board.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
Gasol also has 5 years of experience on LMA
When Gasol was 24 he avg 17.8 ppg and 7.3 rebs per game for Memphis.
The point he was making is that, given LMA time to grow into his prime, he just might suprise you. The NBA pays players before they fully develope, the Blazers are not the only one doing so.
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lol Pau's success = Kobe
You see, L.A. and Coach Phil know how to use their personnel.
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by leeroyjenkins on Dec 21, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know about that.
I think you can say that Kobe has helped Paul elevate his game, by taking alot of pressure off him, but he was pretty good in Memphis the two years prior to his trade to LA.
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i think Kobe's success = effective big man
which is why Kobe only has rings thanks to Shaq and Pau.
Agree with everything i read
Great assement on Miller. He has done nothing on this team but ruin BOTH court and locker room chemistry. He cant shoot, and his patented “drive, jump like im going to shoot, but can cuz theres a hand in my face, turn in mid air and hope theres someone in the same color jersey to pass to, and if not, just throw it to an open space” play is SO old. most people grow out of that in Jr high.
Totally agree with Roys, Oden’s, batums, rudys, LA’s as well.
LMA was over paid, whether people want to acknowledge it or not. Yes, as the post above says, he has 3.25 years of experience. But What does he do differently than 2 years ago? still doesnt go to the hoop hard, get free throws, or play solid defense and rebound consistently. Very solid 3rd option on a championship team, definitely not a 2nd
Even agree w/ travis. Ive always thought he was our most tradeable asset, and should be the first to go, but with seeing how flat our bench is minus bayless, it is more clear than ever we need him. But we need him to rebound consistently and play more controlled
Because your post is too long to read...
I auto-summarized it using Word ‘07. Here’s the results:
“Brandon Roy:
Steve Blake:
Andre Miller:
Not quarter but game. Lamarcus Aldridge:
Oden’s power inside game combined with Aldridge finesse outside game. Greg Oden
Travis Outlaw
Anthony went for 41 points on 11-21 shooting. Jerryd Bayless
Nate McMillian
- Player substitution has been inconsistent and odd at times. Blazer Fans
brutal post
I agree with most of it, especially about martell , if his shot is not falling he becomes a liability.. Brandon is not having an all star caliber year, and miller indicated that he would come off the bench before he arrived at camp, I dont think kp would have signed him if he had stated his desire to start up front. Rice is an employee of the trailblazers and he is not allowed.To say anything negative im quite sure. He travels, eats, and sleeps with the team, he wants this to be a big family affair so he makes it alll inclusive by saying “we” . All in all this is a great honest post
if it can be conceived it can be achieved
by lyfefindsaway on Dec 21, 2009 12:35 AM PST via mobile reply actions
wow
22.2 ppg
5.1 apg
4.7 rpg
46% FG
35% 3pt
10 straight games over 20 points in the month of December while shooting 46% and upping his scoring from 19ppg to over 26 ppg, co-insiding with Greg’s injury.
How much more does he have to do to “earn” our votes as an all-star? Simply amazing how we as fans can be so harsh on our teams best player, who is playing lights out.
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I think the memory of the first part of the year
and missing some big shots is what sticks.
He has picked it up and it sucks I couldn’t get the other fantasy team to trade him before hand.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Marques Johnson and Kevin Callabro
That duo in the mid-nineties was basically the best pairing of all time. Calabro is a northwest guy and would probably take the job, as I don’t think he wants to travel as much as the A-team on ESPN/TNT national broadcasts but still does some B-games for them. Johnson is a college-hoops guy now but in my opinion rotting away on Fox Sports Net.
M, period. Fresh, comma.
totally agree with the mike rice - blakey statement, it's not even a nickname of his, just stop it
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 21, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions
great post
You obviously have A LOT of time on your hands, but nice read.
myspace.com/marktwainindians
I would say
this is a pretty decent break down without knowing more about what happens behind the closed doors of the blazers.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Don't you think a big part of the problem with Miller is
the way Nate has used him and treated him from day1? He should have been given the starting nod from day 1 of training camp. Blake has been a weak link on this team for the last 2 years. Miller is clearly the better player. Maybe if he had been treated like a quality PG from the start, his personality would have meshed with the rest of the team more easily. Imagine if you will that they signed Chris Kaman or Andrew Bynam in the off season and then told them that Joel was the starting center going forward. That’s about how ridiculous this was to me. Blake is average at best. Miller is above average, a notch or two below Nash, Deron Williams, or CP.
While I do think Miller probably should have been the starter
I think his problem has been more about style of play. I don’t view Miller as being a great half court point guard. He excels in the open floor.
Miller is well below Nash, DW and CP. I don’t think it’s even close. I also think you can do better than using Kaman and Bynum for your example. They aren’t better than Joel, they just have more offense, but he dwarfs both of them when it comes to defense.
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Thought about that when I posted. Couldn't really come up with a good comp.
I think most teams would start Kaman or Bynam over Joel though.
As for Miller, I thought I made it clear that he was in a lower echelon than CP, Nash, or DW. Those guys are tops in the PG ranks. Miller is in the second or possibly third tier. Blake is a backup. Period. Someone please tell Nate that.

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