Charles Barkley has never been more right
by Aaron Sass on Dec 19, 2009 1:36 AM PST
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PrintAfter the Blazers defeated the Suns last night Charles Barkley said, aside from what he always says about Portland needing a post presence which will come next year when Oden is back. But he said something like "it really takes this many injuries to find Jerryd Bayless some minutes?" And he's never been more right. I've been saying for the last 2 years that Bayless needs to be in the rotation regularly. I'm an Arizona Wildcats basketball fan and I watched a lot of his college games and I knew he would potentially be a star in the NBA. I thought he was the second best point guard in that draft other then Derrick Rose.
I've heard people talking about showing off Bayless this year then trading him next season. I say no. Keep Bayless. Think about it this way. Bayless can be a highly productive 6th man much like Jason Terry in Dallas. Terry is one of the more talented players on that Dallas roster and he doesn't start. He comes off the bench and gives them good minutes and high energy. If Bayless comes off the bench then you won't need him to be a traditional point guard. If you run a 9 man rotation this is how you could look at it. First you trade Outlaw for a power forward like maybe Tyrus Thomas though I don't know if their contacts match up for a trade. But say you get Tyrus Thomas to be your backup power forward, Joel is obviously your backup center, Rudy can play the 3 and the 2, Bayless can play the 2 and the 1. You give Bayless 23 to 25 minutes a game and he'll be solid. Find a way to get rid of either Blake or Miller for an insurance policy at the center or maybe you can throw one of them in a trade with Outlaw for a power forward. Also find a way to get rid of Webster too. Not Batum. I don't know what they would get back or who would want Webster. I haven't looked into it that much.
Here's the rotation:
PG: Blake or Miller/Bayless
SG: Roy/Fernandez/Bayless
SF: Batum/Fernandez
PF: Aldridge/Thomas
C:Oden/Pryzbilla/Aldridge/Thomas
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i think barkley was more right
when he said that orlando was gonna beat the cavs in the playoffs last year
#52 Get well soon big guy
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did you ever apply for that blog job?
I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.
by Philthyanimal on Dec 19, 2009 3:13 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Wow, I wondered were he was
Figured he had gone on an extended vacation until Bayless has a couple of real stinker games
by upper left corner on Dec 19, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions
Oh man.
That is a shame.
I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 19, 2009 7:58 AM PST up reply actions
How is that?
I like AK.
I think he had a bunch of interesting stuff to say even if I didn’t always agree with him. It would make me sad if any of the regular posters got banned. Except you.
I'm going on a Dave boycott until AK1984 is brought back.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 19, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions
lol
Birn.
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
by haildablazer on Dec 19, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
You are so getting banned too
Read rule number #4: http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2007/5/27/35733/4476
You keep saying that.
I still don’t know what you are talking about.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
You can't say "you" and talk about the poster instead of the subjet
AK got in trouble for saying he knew more about basketball than the other person.
that rule is like 3 in the key
happens alot more often then it gets called and if YOU happen to be Dwight Howard, it’s a permanent exception.
The YOU rule should go. That word gets used casually and generically at best. Specific YOU tones that pollute the atmosphere of the threads are generally apparent and easy to detect. I think too often people see YOU being used and for whatever reason think it’s about them.
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
All I said was:
Oh man. That is a shame.
BTW, you used the word “you” in your last comment. I’m totally going to flag it.
OMG, now I just used it! Oh no!
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 20, 2009 2:29 PM PST up reply actions
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You are right, I alsp think we should trade blake, outlaw and webster. They take too many minutes away from rudy and bayless. Especially when batum and greg return. We really should keep miller in the starting lineup. He makes sure we begin the ball game with a good flow.
Why trade Webster?
Martell is an athletic scoring machine and a true SF, unlike Rudy, who doesn’t rebound well enough to play at 3 for any substantial minutes. Rudy is more of a 1-2 than a 2-3, IMO. And once Martell’s threeballs start falling, people will remember why we had such high hopes for this guy before Brandon, LA, GO and a season long foot injury came along.
I believe that long-term we are set at SF with the defense of Batum and the offense of Webster. Plus Martell’s price is right since he isn’t even making 5 mil this season.
Pfft doesn't he know Portland only does things in baby steps? Stop rushing us!1111
We’ll get a major league baseball tam when we’re ready goldangit!!! oops wrong site
Blazer Fan
well if martell could hit his shots like before..
then i would consider keeping him…But how many shots will it take until they “start falling”? He has been really aweful! yes, he has have some good games including the last, but come on. His outside shots has just not been falling and it’s not october or november anymore.
But if you break it down in to playing time he received
we really only waited 2 months.
by tevisthe4th on Dec 19, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
Charles Barkley should be collecting cans for money
His opinions are merely sputations of obvious eye-roll causing plagiarisms
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Webster's shot.
What is with the misconception that Webster is not shooting well? His 3 point shot is right around his career avg, 37.1% for this year 37.2% on his career. If anything Webster is being too aggressive toward the rim trying to make something happen that isn’t there, which is why his overall FG% is in the tank, (only 42% on the year from 2). After sitting out an entire year, I think Web deserves at least this year to get back his groove before we trade him away. He is forced into starting right now, which is asking alot, but as a back up to Batum he would be great. His defense is better this year than before, his rebounding is up slightly, and his turnovers are way down from his career marks. He would be a deadly weapon coming off the bench as a defensive sub who is able to hit the 3 while Batum rests.
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his overall FG% is down because he is driving into traffic too much
his 3point shot and defense are what will keep him on the floor. So for him, there is no more important stat that his 3 point shot. If he can hit 37% or better on the year he will help this team.
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I don't understand your agrument
he is only taking 4 three point shots a game, and hitting 1.4. His shooting percentage this year is only 1% off his career avg, and he is coming back from a full year off of basketball. His best ever 3 point % was 38.8, so he is not that far off of his career numbers.
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Martell's a big boy
After 5 years in the NBA I’d hope that a 3-point specialist would be shooting above his previous career average. If young players don’t improve then their youth is more of a curse than blessing. 37% from three for a guy who has 2 scoring options (shoot the 3 or try and dunk) is unacceptable. Isn’t that about what Blake is getting KILLED on this site for shooting?
my point is that
Even though Web has the ability to dunk, he shouldn’t be driving the ball into traffic as much as he is. He keeps driving into 2 or 3 defenders while still trying to get his shot up, most of the time he gets blocked, either by one of the defenders or by the rim. Webster’s game is the 3 point shot, and defense/rebounding. Sure he can recieve the ally-oop for the dunk, or the make the break away dunk, or the fast break dunk. But him driving to the hole in the half court offense is not a good use of his abilities.
Look guys, I am not a big fan of Webster, but his game is not that far off of what he was before he was injuried. I am just not getting why people were expecting so much more so soon after a year long layoff. If KP can use him in a trade for a better player, then by all means he should, but he is not really hurting this team right now. Even when his shot is not falling, he is still grabbing the boards, and playing hard on defense. Which is about as much as anyone can as of any NBA player, some nights the shots fall, some nights they don’t. But Webster is starting to bring his energy and defense every night, which is a sign of his growth from a young player to a veteran.
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Tyurs Thomas??
Please no. Certified head case, and cross-eyed to boot. KP wouldn’t even consider getting a guy like that.
As for Barkley, he was making an idiot of himself the other night. First, he butchered the won-loss record of one of the opening game teams (he said they hadn’t won vs a .500 + team, when they had won twice). Then he trotted out his tired analysis of the Blazers.
Yes, they’re still lacking a post scoring threat, but that’s only because GO is injured. Barkley might as well say, when Kobe is out with an injury, that the Lakers need a go-to guy. Well, duh.
Most likely lazy Charles (the Round Mound of Expound?), who pronounced last year that Greg Oden would never have an offensive game, didn’t bother to watch the Blazers earlier this season when GO was very much providing a low post scoring threat.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
i liked reggie
saying, “oden will never be an allstar.” did he watch he play A game this year?
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by joffthedeckk on Dec 19, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
oh that ticked me off. ridiculous blanket statement.
If Oden can play 2 consecutive years of 70+ games, he will be an all-star.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
reggie is a moron
he has said many dumb things in his time as an announcer.
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by joffthedeckk on Dec 19, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Fernandez should take Blake out of the rotation
It would go with something like this
PG Miller or Bayless
SG Roy/Ferdandez/Bayless
SF Webster/Roy/Ferdandez
PF LMA/Cunnignham
C Pryz/LMA/Howard
The concept of earning your minutes is not acceptable to you?
Question 2:
Did Bayless improve more this summer because he did not play last year? If Nate were Phil Jackson the talking heads would be saying Phil got into his head and motivated him to excel by not playing him more.
Question 3:
How many games are you willing to lose last year by playing Bayless 20+ minutes with an offensive rating of 97 and a defensive rating of 111 (and many of those minutes in garbage time with 3rd string opponents)? Those ratings were the worst on the team, including Shavlik Randolph. His PER of 8.2 was also the worst on the team. Please no hindsight about losing to Houston anyway – until the playoffs most of us were about getting home court advantage in the 1st round or at least making the playoffs.
"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."
i agree
that last year was ok for bayless to sit a lot but this is a different year. i also think bayless won us two games last year in his short time on the court. one was the huge comeback against new orleans when paul went down. bayless put his head down and took over. there was another game where the same thing happened but i can’t remember who it was against. he did a very similar thing against phoenix.
wants to challenge the definitions of sin and search the world for lovers of ultimate beauty but never settle in.
by joffthedeckk on Dec 19, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions
Question 2
Show me Nate’s 10 (TEN! TEN!) championship rings and THEN we can talk about how the media treat him & Phil Jackson differently
im
really against trading outlaw. Have to find a way to lock him up. He is so valuable off the bench it will be hard to replace what he gives to this team.
by BBG on Dec 19, 2009 2:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
But
When he’s not scoring he’s really not helping the Blazers. Plus you need someone who is an actual power forward to back up LaMarcus. Outlaw is one of the better 6th men in the NBA. But I think they could get someone who will fit in much better and give them what they need. They already have good scoring off the bench in Rudy, Blake (now), and Bayless.
Bayless needs to start and play 35-40 mins a game.
I hate when people say, well hes to young dont make him nervous. B.S. Play him so you see what you have in the future, because we most likely we wont make the playoffs so find out how good he can be.
Momma.....der go dat man
did somebody say....
webster’s DEFENSE?
Martell Webster defended Melo like Melo was a raging bull and ‘Tell was some dude waving a red t-shirt. The reality is, Webster brings about exactly what Outlaw brings, minus two inches and Outlaw’s funny accent. Webster isn’t the worst defender out there (Adam Morrison has a championship ring, er-what?) but once we get Batum back his defensive reliability, while suspect already, becomes irrelevant. Drop Webby and keep Outlaw. And for GOD’S SAKES, DON’T TRADE THE ONLY EXCITEMENT ON THIS DAMN TEAM!
(this means rudy, although bayless is kind of exciting too)
by rudy fernandez forever on Dec 20, 2009 2:18 AM PST reply actions
its too bad outlaw won't be healthy by the trade deadline
If we can get the trade I think it would be awesome, and a healthy outlaw would be enough to get the bulls to give up thomas. Another reason life would be better without injuries. Thomas would be the perfect back up 4, the polar opposite of lamarcus, the ability to play three positions and a great defensive game, nate would love it. And yes, free bayless, I can only imagine how bayless felt seeing mayo, westbrook and rose getting so much minutes and pub last year while he sat behind sergio rodriguez. Nate might have ruined the chances of bayless staying with the team and he ruined the game last night by not playing pryz or any other big man.
Charles was reacting
Okay, maybe Jerryd should be getting some more minutes, whatever camp you are in I think an arguement can be made. BUT as far as Barkleys quote, it’s real easy as an announcer after having just witnessed Jerryd’s career high game to make an off-handed quote like “Does it really take that many injuries to find Jerryd Bayless some minutes?” That’s reactionary.
Here’s my answer to Barkley based on being a fan and have followed The Blazers non-stop more or less for decades, but for this evaluation, at least this pre-season and season. YES it does take this many injuries to find Jerryd Bayless some minutes. Why? Because you aren’t looking at the big picture of what has happened this season if you are thinking Jerryd should of been getting more minutes.
A, Jerryd had a less than impressive summer league performance. B. We obtained Andre Miller and C. We simultaneously kept our starting PG from last season in Steve Blake. So YES Barkley, it did take this many injuries to find Jerryd some time.
Barkley can make comments that will resonate with the “Free Bayless” crowd but he is making them based on what he saw in one game. The reason Bayless hasn’t gotten a lot of opportunity this season is far more complicated. It has to do with free agents named Miller, Brandon Roy-Playmaker, and a comfort level with Steve Blake. Along with a season long struggle to find a rotation and minutes for almost everyone.
Am I trashing Bayless? No. It’s all hands on deck for this team. Injuries have forced coaching and this team to step up and give it’s all. Including Bayless and maybe McMillan as a coach too. If Bayless can contribute at a higher level, if his time is coming, then YES McMillan needs to facilitate that on the court. BUT Barkley didn’t make any great discovery, and given all the variables suddenly changed and thrown at this team over the course of this season Barkleys choice of wording was unfair. Bayless may deserve more playing time, games like that illuminate that possibility, but Barkley isn’t The Blazer coach and he isn’t the one dealing with trying to find the chemistry for a team that’s roster possibilities have been in flux since day one of the season. That’s why Charles is an announcer and McMillan is a coach. McMillan can’t afford to be reactionary, Charles Barkley get’s paid to react.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Dec 20, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Outta your damn mind.
Outlaw for Tyrus?
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
Outlaw for Tyrus would make sense.
It would make even more sense if the Blazers could trade Blake, Miller, and Outlaw to the Bulls for Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas, and Aaron Gray. It gives the Blazers a good backup power forward in Tyrus Thomas, an insurance policy at center in Aaron Gray, and a point guard that could play with Brandon Roy in Kirk Hinrich who’s a good outside shooter and a good defender.
Hi Aaron,
You’re not taking into account the Bulls’ needs; that’s the only problem. I do think it would help the Blazers immensely. The trouble is that the Blazers and Bulls have many of the same deficits right now – defense and rebounding at the PF being high on the list – and Outlaw is a SF. Luol Deng is playing very well for the Bulls (18/8 with very good defense and on a low volume of shots). In other words, Outlaw would be redundant on a team with numerous needs.
Hinrich can be had, as usual, but the Bulls certainly don’t want Andre Miller. We want expirings. Lots of em. Blake and Outlaw for Kirk would work much better for us.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
I should mention that my "outta yo mind"
was meant in the spirit of sass, not jerkishness.
The poster formerly known as Freethefro.
don't totally agree
1st – I think Russell Westbrook is a better PG than Bayless is, and he was in that draft too
You say Bayless is really good, yet give him an instant comparison to Jason Terry…who has been a 6th man for most of his career.
I do think though that now is the time to get Bayless run, either to evaluate his future role with the team or to up his trade value around the league
I don’t think Tyrus Thomas is on our radar, we have several soft, athletic PFs already…and we traded him away when we drafted him
Also wouldn’t be to hasty in trading guys away that can play, as this season shows even already deep team can get thin in heartbeat with some injuries
by rip_city_swagger on Dec 21, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions
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