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It felt like this might change everything. This young, brash, determined, explosive point guard might just make every bad thing that's happened over the last six months go away.  The injuries. The chemistry issues. Inconsistency from key contributors.  A less-efficient-than-necessary Brandon Roy struggling at times to carry the burden of an entire team.  Jerryd Bayless promised hope and he delivered it, propelling his Blazers to a nationally-televised 105-102 victory over the Phoenix Suns in Portland Thursday night.

The magnitude of Bayless's raw skills and his in-the-moment hot-shooting brought the entire Rose Garden crowd -- including Blazers management -- to its feet during a dramatic come-from-behind fourth quarter run.  The seats remained empty as Bayless poured in bucket after bucket on his way to a career-high 29 points, with 16 coming in a fourth quarter that saw the Blazers erase a double-digit Suns lead. He sank free throws down the stretch (9 of 12 overall), added 4 assists and just 2 turnovers in 29 minutes.

During the game Bayless was flexing, talking junk to Suns coach Alvin Gentry, letting people know.  After the game, after everyone already knew, after Steve Nash's potential game-tying three missed its mark, Bayless smiled through an I-told-you-so happiness bubble. He chuckled at the space Jared Dudley had given him that allowed back-to-back three pointers in front of the Suns bench and he caught himself before he said something that he might later regret. 

It's not just the fans and Bayless himself who now feel the brunt of this potential change.  It's Brandon Roy (27 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists), who Bayless said had talked to him about developing into a Mo Williams-type secondary scoring threat.  It's Coach Nate McMillan, who couldn't stop praising Bayless after the game in one breath and then moments later seemed shocked at the idea Bayless might move up in the rotation.  It's Steve Blake (12 points, 2 assists) who has rediscovered his shooting stroke -- in part thanks to passes from Bayless -- who is now dealing with a reality that Bayless knows well: every missed shot, every turnover could bring the hook.  

But, more than anyone else, it's Andre Miller, who just watched a younger, hungrier, more-physically-gifted player do everything that Miller himself was brought to Portland to do: complement Brandon Roy, relieve Brandon Roy, protect the basketball, get to the foul line, increase the tempo, move the ball.  Many fans noticed Miller rushing off the court after the game. He was frantically looking for his playing time.  

Don't get this confused: Jerryd Bayless still has a long, long way to go. But his career ceiling just got raised to "Efficient Iverson."  Will he ever get there?  Will he even score 10 points on Saturday?  Both legit questions. It's still way, way too early.  But Thursday night, he made superstar moves and drew a response from Portland fans usually reserved for superstars.  

A season, seemingly hopeless just days before, has new legs. Underneath, the many underlying problems remain.  On top, a facelift of hope.

Random Game Note (There Can Only Be One)

The in-arena entertainment this year at the Rose Garden has been much more subdued than last year.  Whether that's because of cutbacks caused by the recession or because fan surveys indicated the constant bombardment of "entertainment" had become too much, I'm not sure.  But the festivities have been noticeably amped down.  Not to sound like a writer three times my age but I kind of appreciate the subdued.  This year, the 3 or 4 (or 5, or 6, or 7) hours in the arena have been feeling a lot more like a basketball game and a lot less like a carnival.  Cheers to that.

Unfortunately, the carnival arrived back in full force tonight and his name was Avery Watts. Providing the evening's halftime entertainment with a live concert, Watts, a blonde, headbanging Brüno lookalike, adorned himself in a customized Blazers Jersey (Watts #1, naturally), eschewing an undershirt so that his pale forearms could be enjoyed in all their glory on the Rose Garden jumbotron.  Backing Watts was a collection of pimply-faced misfits dressed in cult-like black hooded sweatshirts with the word "Takeover" emblazoned on their chests, strumming various instruments while engaged in a group epileptic seizure.  Watts began his mini-set by screaming unintelligibly into his microphone and continued in that fashion through 2 (?) songs before allowing mic distortion to bring the show to a better-late-than-never ending.  

Along the way, Watts pointed at his jersey and proclaimed his Blazer fandom like a run-of-the-mill drunk moron who finds himself in the back corner of the Kiss Cam and thinks he's now a superstar.  His makeshift "stage" appeared to be located in a handicapped-accessible area of the arena that sports a protective railing; halfway through his 7 or so minutes of fame, Watts climbed on the railing as if he was bareback riding a horse, haphazardly thrashing his body, leading to grimaces from the few who continued to bear the sight.  

The single most grating moment of the single most grating in-arena performance I've witnessed while attending 100+ Blazers games was Watts' apparent surprise when he didn't receive a standing ovation while being introduced.  As fans simply ignored the PA announcer and streamed into the concourses for more beer and food, Watts paused, as if reality was finally hitting him square in the face.  Unfortunately, his stress fractured ego has not yet been declared a career-ending injury. 

If you're Avery Watts or his publicist please do not contact me.  I linked your website above. We'll call that even. 

Nate McMillan's Postgame Comments

Jerryd Bayless?

What can you say? I thought he had a great game. We know Jerryd can put some points on the board. And with all the guys we have out, we need that. He's getting the opportunity to play and he's taking advantage of it. I've told him for really for the last two years 'be patient, be patient, the opportunity is going to come. I don't know when but it just does in the NBA.' And that opportunity has come in the last two games. He's shown this at times. The last two times he's shown what he's capable of doing with that opportunity. 

Resilient Play

I like that we are scrapping. That we are trying to play a 48 minute game. The last two games our second half has been really good. Defensively we've done some good things. Offensively we've attacked. Tonight we shot 35 free throws, the other night we shot 25. We are being aggressive going to that basket. That is what we need to see. A lot of that is due to Bayless and playing the guards, Miller and Brandon, getting to that rim.

Bayless and Roy together

I think these guys -- I mean, basketball, you've got to make adjustments. We keep talking about combinations, who can play with who, it's just a matter of making the adjustments, getting to your spots. Brandon played that whole second half, Bayless had some things going. I told Brandon we're going to give Bayless the ball, take a breather, and Bayless came through. We ran the high pick and roll, some sets we wanted to get him involved in, he executed and made plays. It comes down to that. Where we have to make plays. We talk about breaks, tonight we made those breaks by getting stops defensively and making plays on the offensive end.

 Nash made a run at the end. Did you think he was going to hit that three to tie it?

I saw it in him. I've coached against him long enough the first three, I knew it was coming. He's just that type of player. He puts the team on his back in that situation. We were, in his mind, live or die with this three. He normally makes that shot. I thought Blake was pretty close but you need to be even closer because he was looking for a three at that point. The last three, you know, the game plan was to foul anybody other than Nash on the catch. If they caught the ball quickly, grab them. Nash got the ball so he was moving and I thought LaMarcus did a good job of just staying down.

Why foul anybody but Nash?

We knew Nash was going to catch and shoot. Anybody else, on catch we wanted to foul and put them on the free throw line.

Best win of the year?

Yeah. I mean all wins are good. But I know what you mean. Doctor Ramsay today spoke to the team, he talked about the things and I've been saying them too today. I thought they did that. Guys who were playing had to step up and raise their game which was Brandon Roy, who played the whole second half.  He had to work harder. And those guys who weren't getting those opportunities had to step up and play. Bayless, ok, Martell. And they did. We're going to need that in order to survive without our guys on the floor in uniform.  

In the past you said you would never intentionally foul in that situation?

Again, it's a feel. This is a three point shooting team. For me it's the feel in that situation, normally we don't foul in situations like that. But Nash with that basketball and what he's capable of doing. That's what they do. Shoot threes. We decided we were going to do that.

Make Bayless your backup point guard? Or think about trying to get him in earlier?

Why?  He came off and he was fine. So... it's a long game. Everybody -- you want to put your best out there. They can't go but so long. You're going to need something. I thought our rotation tonight was really good. The fact that we had to play those guys the whole quarter and not sub, you're riding and you're gambling and they sucked it up tonight.

Four game road trip coming up

I thought it started tonight. I thought the road trip started tonight. Because of the team we were playing. It would have really even been tougher to go out on the road if we dropped this. So hopefully this will give our guys confidence that we can, we're not out of this thing, we've got to play great basketball to win but we're capable.  So now we take it out on the road and we take it one game at a time.

Martell

I thought he played great. I thought he played great. He had not only a tip out but he was boxing out, rebounding, he made some big shots for us. We went to that spread offense to try and go to a smaller lineup and it worked out. 

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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I definately have noticed the more subdued intros

They are straight up, no more “La-Marcus THE L-TRAIN Alrdige” or “Joel THE THRILLA Pryzbilla”. I actually liked the more over the top ones. Wonder whom requested that.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 2:32 AM PST reply actions  

mason did say the thrilla

bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Bayless (in a 2 guard lineup)
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
#52
#4
Can someone give a rational explanation of why blake plays 36 minutes a game?

by thomasikehara on Dec 18, 2009 8:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Billa doesn't like that

I saw one game where he was on the jumbotron when the announcer said “The Thrilla” — then ‘Billa looked up and said "Don’t call me that." I was lip-reading, of course.

by Sheedwasright on Dec 18, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Jason Quick?

AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.

by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 18, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Last season I was right in front of the Rip City Row, where the Marching Band Drum Corps was set up

Sure, I love a drum corps as much as the next guy, but we tested the volume on an iphone, and the decibels were literally unsafe for human ears.
I let the front office know.

by Sheedwasright on Dec 18, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

You must not be a Ducks fan

See I found that rather soft by comparison :-)>

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 18, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

i go to maybe two games a season and avery watts HAD to perform at one of them. dang.

lessssss go #52

by dougall5505 on Dec 18, 2009 2:44 AM PST reply actions  

THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE... BEING THE BEST!

I clicked on the link and went to his Myspace page and listened to the first song. Holy crap that sucked.

Poseurvery McPoseurwatts should be his name; BURNED.

Ben, very interesting quote about Nate wanting to foul anyone on the catch! That is definitely a change from before. If it’s in Nash’s hands, I wouldn’t do it, he’s too tricky and liable to make the shot or get 3 FTs. He’s crazy like that.

I mainly just wanted to address the fact that Avery Watts music seems Gosh-awful. It made me cringe. I am sorry, Blazer fans, who were lucky enough to be there.

Mortimer

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2009 3:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Well

luckily we didn’t have to listen to it, simply by going to the concourse for a break and to get pretzels or soda, etc.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah I bailed towards the concourse with 1min left before half to avoid the noise.

I thought it was funny when that one row won his Cds and they had the “what is this crap” look on their faces.

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

Team Edward or Team Jacob? ...neither..Team BAYLESS!!

by DaNoose on Dec 18, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sometimes

“Prizes” can be a little unwanted…there’s big difference from winning a new fridge and “winning” one of those cd’s or a plush Wells Fargo pony.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I went to the Myspace page, too.

I thought it was an Andy Samberg SNL Short.

by jrj on Dec 18, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions  

He was definitely the low point of the entertainment last night

I also get to go to 2-3 games per year. Everyone sitting by me (not out getting expensive beer, etc.) was using their phones to try to figure out who that guy was. And why was he playing up like his music was a portland product? What? Also, parts of the music and lyrics were pre-recorded and their sound guy must have been blending their live mics/instruments with the recorded tracks. Which made me hate him all the more.
It was so bad it was funny. If it was much more awful, I wouldn’t have been able to watch (for the same reason I can’t watch the British “The Office” – to painful watching people in those situations). As it was, Avery straddled that rail nicely and I (and the strangers sitting around me) found it pretty funny.

by Montavilla Steve on Dec 18, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

What a shame

There are plenty of good bands in the area, and I know J Isaac can tell the difference, to an extent. So, WTF J? – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Dec 18, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate Bayless!

He made me stay up until 2 in the morning here in Atlanta the night before I catch a flight to Portland with the family for a little Holiday vacation. I couldn’t sleep! Hope to catch the blazers on Christmas. Rowwwwrrrrrrrrr!

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 18, 2009 4:50 AM PST reply actions  

I have the lighter fluid ...

… if you have the matches.

A hammer and nails are also a fun alternative when playing with the kitty.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 18, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed - In DC - I had 8 am meeting this morning

He went to Jerryd made this morning tough. Still dumbfounded how blake, who was getting destroyed defensively by everyone still manages to get more minutes than both Miller and Bayless.

by bunk moreland on Dec 18, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha, same here.

The 10:30 EST games are rough. But I got League Pass so I can watch every single one!

by DC Blazer on Dec 18, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I"ma bout to be sick with all this man love going on here....

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!

by faith on Dec 18, 2009 6:12 AM PST reply actions  

bromance.

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

Team Edward or Team Jacob? ...neither..Team BAYLESS!!

by DaNoose on Dec 18, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Uber-Rec

But I think we should save that song for the nights we face the L@kers. It IS about the blessed annihilation of Los Angeles, after all.

by conspirator5 on Dec 18, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Day After Day by Shango

DAY AFTER DAY
(Tommy Reynolds / Stuart Margolin / Jerry Riopelle)

Shango

Day after day, more people come to L.A.
Ssh! Don’t you tell anybody the whole place is slipping away.
Where can we go when there’s no San Francisco?
Ssh! Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho.

Do you know the swim? You better learn quick, Jim.
Those who don’t know how to swim, better sing the hymn.
Tuna at the bowl. Fine fillet o’ much soul.
Whoo! Whoo! What can we do with a bushel of wet gold?

Day after day, more people come to L.A.
Ssh! Don’t you tell anybody the whole place is slipping away.
Where can we go when there’s no San Francisco?
Ssh! Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho.

Where can we go when there’s no San Diego?
Ssh! Better get ready to tie up the boat in Idaho.

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Dec 18, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

fun

3 quarters of aggravation topped with that 4th quarter, Jerryd won that game, but finally hitting the boards made it possible. websters offensive board in the last minute or so was massive

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 18, 2009 6:23 AM PST reply actions  

Second consecutive night the Blazers dominate the fourth quarter, that'll win you some games

Admittedly the first three quarters were eh, but that was some fourth quarter. Gutsy. There could be something to this team yet.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 18, 2009 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

I don't get it

If Blake would have started and played like Miller, fan’s would be rioting. Bayless is some kind of negativity eraser.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh yeah

Because fans were so happy with the Blazers 14 other wins. (sarcasm)

The only difference is 2 wins, Bayless getting more playing time, and Miller starting. The Blazers had 14 other wins and Miller still stinks. Somehow all the Bayless love is covering Miller’s butt.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 7:54 AM PST up reply actions  

The man who grabbed the big opportunity that presented itself to him?

Good point

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Really?

When can we expect to see him subbing for the manager of the local dairy queen?

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Ha ha, yes!

but seriously, somebody needs to bring the lack of officiating respect the Blazers get to the national level.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

The thought did occur to me while watching that the ref's were

either

bent on proving there is no “home cooking” on calls

or

had been made aware of Phoenix’s 16 game TNT losing streak

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 18, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

No offense on the ref hate, but...

We did get to the line quite a bit last night.

Also, did you guys see the tit-for-tat fouls between Channing Frye and Bayless? I loved how it all played out. First Channing flails with the ball went Dante gets to close to him, and gets the foul put on Dante. Then you see Dante and Jerryd whispering to each other. Less than a minute later, Bayless is dribbling at the top of the arc, and he makes a move to go “around” Channing and then drives right into Channing’s leg. Fweeet and “pay-up” gives some payback.

Props to Channing for the “vet move” but double-props to Jerryd for showing that he can just put one on you if he feels like it.

by conspirator5 on Dec 18, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

The hilarious thing about that foul on Cunningham

was that the replay showed Frye doing his “oh, I’ve been fouled, the anguish!” face BEFORE Dante started his move. It worked, though.

Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.

by Badalona Baddie on Dec 18, 2009 11:29 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought both teams got jobbed an approximately equal number of times

I was at the game and, through the first 2 quarters, we were getting a ton of horrible HORRIBLE calls from the refs. I was waiting for them to peel off their stripes after the game to reveal Phoenix uni’s. It was awful.
This was balanced by some favorable we got calls late in the game. It was probably about even (accounting for my blazer bias) in terms of number of calls, Phoenix just got theirs early in the game and we got ours later.

by Montavilla Steve on Dec 18, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah--really bad officiating last nite

Fortunately, the refs seemed to be equal-opportunity offenders.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.

by hurryup09 on Dec 18, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

One exception to the lame officiating...

When the ref didn’t fall for the old “pull down-fall down” trick. (I forget if it was Hill or Frye that tried it.)

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.

by hurryup09 on Dec 18, 2009 2:13 PM PST up reply actions  

It was Hill

The replay was hilarious.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

But it seemed that our guys, even Roy, had to take much, much more contact to get a whistle than did the Suns. On the other hand, I might have been biased by being at the game, and the guy behind me was quite vocal about the calls.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I want a T-shirt

with Bayless and a Unicorn.

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

Team Edward or Team Jacob? ...neither..Team BAYLESS!!

by DaNoose on Dec 18, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions  

What are we now? 8-1 or 9-2 with Miller starting?

Well, I’ll take either. Looks like we win with Miller starting even when he doesn’t play as well too. Though, 5 assists in 20 minutes means he was doing something positive. I think it would make sense to keep starting Miller until it actually doesn’t equate to more wins, like it has so far this season. Even though I’m sure you think he’s just been lucky.

by Coastie07 on Dec 18, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Plus those 2 turnovers were brutal!

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Dec 18, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

As usual, the problem is Steve Blake, not Dre

Dre’s +/- when he is not in the lineup with Blake: +6 for the last two games
Dre’s +/- when he is in the game with Blake: -19 for the last two games

Run Dre with Roy and Webster, Blake with Bayless and Roy or Webster,,,,no more three guard lineup and play Webster more.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 18, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that was phrased poorly

Should have said “Dre’s +/- when he is in the game without Blake” instead.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 18, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Sample size is too small

I like to use at least 2 games when I use +/-.

Dre does not pass the eye test for me. He makes all the same mistakes as Blake, doesn’t fight through picks, his taking and missing bad shots, and he seems to get a pass because he throws a couple of lobs.

I think Miller should get just as many games starting with Roy as Blake got just out of fairness and so that he’ll have enough rope to time him to the bench.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

For the record, I hate over-simplified pseudo-stats like +/- and PER

I prefer situation-specific stats that properly reflects player’s value in certain basketball situation, but since I’m not Daryl Morey I don’t get access to those.

I’m happy as long as team wins and plays a winning style of basketball. To me, Miller-Roy-Webster looks pretty good out there as well Rex-Blake-Roy/Webster and we should go with it as long as it produces good results.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 18, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Tom, it won't work!

No matter how much you try, we are NOT trading Miller to the Fakers!

by Visionary2 on Dec 18, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I like Miller in a Batum (last year) type role

Only on offense in stead of defense. Batum would start, blend in on offense, but make his money shutting down the other team’s hot outside guy. Basically, getting it into his opponent’s head early “this isn’t going to be a good game for me.” Then he gets subbed out and does the same thing at the start of the second half.
I like Miller for the same role with the offense. Gets things moving; finds guys for easy buckets; gets our confidence up due to good offensive sets; then gets subbed out and does the same thing at the start of the 2nd half.

by Montavilla Steve on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

The 1st Qtr. slide started when Nate substituted Blake for Webster

This forced Brandon to cover Grant Hill at SF. Hill then immediately went on a terror, which got the Suns going. On the other side, Roy had to try to get by a bigger opponent and struggled.

I really think that substitution set us back for the whole first half- even though Blake finally hit a few jumpers.

by ralphzillo on Dec 18, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't that also when Joel went out?

It seemed like Grant did most of his early damage with Joel out. And I agree, bringing in Blake at the 2 often kills our D. Although somehow, the three guard lineup has good defensive ratings.

by DC Blazer on Dec 18, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Bayless was so good I almost forgot about Webster. Great game from him too.

by Vic De Zen on Dec 18, 2009 7:14 AM PST reply actions  

Make Bayless your backup point guard? Or think about trying to get him in earlier?

Why? He came off and he was fine. So… it’s a long game. Everybody — you want to put your best out there. They can’t go but so long. You’re going to need something.

Uh… what? I was confused with this response.

It will be interesting when Rudy comes back. Who loses minutes? Rudy? Steve? Andre? Jerryd?

Obviously, it has to be Steve or Andre. You HAVE to play Bayless and Rudy. Doesn’t seem that obvious to Nate. But maybe I’m reading too much into his response.

Fortunately for Nate, Rudy isn’t coming back for a month or so, and he doesn’t have to address these issues. And KP may take the choice away by trading Steve or Dre. But given the choice, I wonder what Nate would do. After the game, Barkley was marveling at how Nate kept Bayless on the bench behind Blake and Miller all year until Rudy got hurt.

Bayless’s PER is now over 20 on the season…. can’t expect him to maintain that, obviously, but wow. He’s blown all rational expectations out of the water. What a performance so far.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 7:21 AM PST reply actions  

None of them will be traded

until Rudy comes back and plays a couple games, I would guess.

But if Jerryd keeps playing at a reasonably high level, you don’t need three PGs and you don’t need 3 SGs, and we’re thin up front. So you almost have to make a trade, once Rudy comes back, probably for a big man if you can at all.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Seems like the Blazers would have to make a move, at that point.

I think it’s interesting that you qualified the statement by saying “if Jerryd keeps playing at a reasonably high level.” I think this is how Nate would answer the question, as well.

I don’t mean to read too much into your statement, but how high a level does Jerryd need to maintain on to justify getting major minutes over Blake/Miller? Neither of those guys is playing at a high level, and needless to say, Bayless has about 100 times more upside going forward. I think it would be in the Blazers bests interests (both short and long term) to play Jerryd regardless, even if his play drops off a bit (as it probably will).

Who do you think will lose minutes during those first few games when Rudy comes back? Obviously it will (or should) depend on what happens between now and then. Maybe Nate will try to split minutes among everybody and still play all five guards. Surely he wouldn’t just bench Jerryd again, right? I think it’s pretty remarkable that it’s an open question.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I think

you want to see Bayless be consistent. up and down games as opposed to being able to bank on performance will likely drive the coaching staff crazy (or at least nate).

That said, I’d say he needs to perform close to Miller and Blake and I make the trade looking at his upside. If he continues the high level of performance… you HAVE to start him and have the second point guard down to just 15 minutes.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Dec 18, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Bayless has already shown consistency

This is what I have been trying to point out all season. Go look at his splits. He is scoring and scoring efficiently, game after game.

What has fluctuated has not been his performance what has fluctuated is the way Nate has used him. The more minutes he gets the better he has been. The only games where he has struggled and you can count them on one hand are games where he has gotten less than 10 minutes of PT.

There are a dozen or more games where he he goes 2-4 and 3-5 and then gets to the line for 6 free throws. His per minute production has been remarkably consistent given how much his PT has been jerked around by Nate.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

What Bayless hasn't done yet

is perform consistently in increased minutes. He is now going to have that chance, and we will see what happens.

He is also now going to be part of opposition defensive game plans. They all knew he could do this on occasion, but now he did it on a Thursday when everyone was watching.

It’s different when they know you are coming and you have to do it for 25-30 minutes, rather than them not focusing on you because you are only going to be out there 12 minutes, sometimes less.

To answer KPC, to keep getting minutes he has to be playing Blake’s role (top perimeter defender when Martell isn’t in, spread the court on offense) as well as Blake, or Miller’s role as well as Miller. That doesn’t mean he has to do everything they do as well as they do it, but he has to bring enough production over all to match theirs AND be effective in their role.

And that isn’t going to be easy. Miller can make the offense run. Blake was 4-7 on 3s. No comparison between Blake’s production and Jerryd’s last night, but if Blake starts knocking down 3s again like we all know he can, Jerryd is going to have to consistently be good to take minutes from him.

And would Nate bench Jerryd again? Sure, it’s possible. Not with what we’ve seen to date. Probably not as extensively as in the past — the days of DNPs are probably gone forever. But both Blake and Miller have been quality players in the past, and while I’m about 90% certain that Jerryd is going to far surpass Blake the rest of the year, there’s still that 10%. I won’t be shocked if Jerryd ends up back with 12-15 mpg when Rudy comes back. Disappointed, of course, because that would only happen if the last two games were just a flash in the pan, and not sustainable.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I get the caveats, but don't make excuses for Nate.

At some point the burden of proof flips. Rather than the burden being on Bayless to do this, or do that, to “earn” playing time, the burden has to be on Nate for not playing him.

Currently, Bayless has the 2nd highest TS% and 5th highest PER among all NBA PGs.

Of the top twenty PGs by PER, guess how many are getting less than 20 minutes of PT? Answer: 2. Sergio and Bayless.
Sergio’s situation is different, he is competing against Evans and Udrih who are also in the top twenty. Bayless is five points above Miller and more than 10 points above Blake. Obviously, PER is not the only measure of a PG, but it is a pretty decent way to compare production between players playing the same position.

At some point, and I think that point will be reached before Rudy returns, Nate should be held accountable for a rotation that simply defies common sense. If he doesn’t, Bayless will have every right to start demanding a trade. Next year is his contract year. He has done enough to “earn” his minutes so he can earn his contract. If Nate doesn’t give him the minutes, we risk loosing the player.

I don’t know about you, but given a choice between Bayless and Nate, I know who I would choose.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Who is making excuses?

Remember my “Natives” fanpost?

He asked who I thought would lose minutes, and if Jerryd will when Rudy comes back. I answered what I think Jerryd has to do to prevent losing minutes. I expect he will do so — all he has to do is maintain similar production in longer minutes.

Sometimes, players with longer minutes see a drop off, but usually it’s the other way. That, to me, is one of the most impressive things about Jerryd this season, is he has maintained production in short spurts without doing crazy stuff to try and boost his production to catch attention. Very good stuff. And I don’t expect him to do what he did last night against good defensive teams, but I expect him to continue to produce well, and Nate to continue to play him.

Nate wants to win….

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you see my point?

Sorry if that came across as me attacking you, that was not my intent. I meant “you” in a generic, rhetorical sense. Unless Jerryd falls on his face, which I do not expect, Nate needs to explain why he is not allocating minutes in the manner that common sense would seem to require.

Dave made a rather weak attempt to explain Nate’s actions the other day with his big +/- post. I didn’t find it very persuasive, and you joined me in questioning his approach. I am just saying that we shouldn’t let anybody try to razzle-dazzle us out of the common sense answer, which is that Jerryd has been far more productive, and the team has looked better with him in there. Nate should be hels accountable.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

You didn't come across as attacking

Sorry if I sounded defensive. I’ve been on the Bayless bandwagon as long as you have. I was doubtful a few months before the draft, but saw enough leading up to it to think that if KP traded up for him, he might be the very best fit available next to Roy, better even than Rose. Not as good as Rose, maybe, but a better fit.

However, I am less prepared to question the coach than most. They know so much more than me, they see practice, they know the personalities involved, they know what has worked and hasn’t worked in practice. My negative comments towards coaching decisions are very rare, and usually targeted to single incidents (fouling with a three point lead at the end of the game, for instance), rather than bigger picture questions.

But even I questioned Nate on this one.

Ultimately, we have to acknowledge one thing, though. Nate likes a “no mistakes, maximum effort” approach, both offensively and defensively. He’s very, very cautious. Blake is the epitome of Nate’s preferred style, and Jerryd is far from it.

That means that Jerryd is going to have to continue to exceed Blake’s production to take Steve’s job away. Note that with Blake hitting, it wasn’t Steve that sat out the fourth in that game. That’s just the way it is. Like it or not, Nate likes the things Blake brings and his way of playing the game, which makes it a harder mountain for Jerryd to climb.

There’s no question he’s scaled the mountain, he just needs to make sure he doesn’t slide back down again.

Nate’s tendencies are not a bad thing for Jerryd to have to deal with, by the way. Bayless is likely, in the long run, to be a much better player from having been under Nate than if he were playing Nellie-ball, for instance. In Nellie-ball, a player with his talent would be forgiven a lot of mistakes, and so not work hard to eliminate them.

#52

by jscot on Dec 19, 2009 3:44 AM PST up reply actions  

McMillan doesn't have to explain anything.

That’s the part that continually amazes me – how fans think the coach answers to them.

News flash – the only guy McMillan has to answer to is Kevin Pritchard.

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by timg56 on Dec 21, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be short sighted
To answer KPC, to keep getting minutes he has to be playing Blake’s role (top perimeter defender when Martell isn’t in, spread the court on offense) as well as Blake, or Miller’s role as well as Miller. That doesn’t mean he has to do everything they do as well as they do it, but he has to bring enough production over all to match theirs AND be effective in their role.

I think this a perfectly reasonable position. But it’s tremendously short sighted.

First, you have to play your best players. You can’t let your system work against your team. Any system based rational for playing a guy with a PER below 10 ahead of a guy with a PER above 20 has to be thrown out the window as quickly as possible.

Second, what is the long term goal of this team? Even assuming playing Blake or Miller over Bayless would improve the team’s chances this season (and nothing that’s happened on the court all year has even remotely suggested that), what could the marginal benefit possibly be? The 6 seed instead of the 7 seed?

I’m not saying you subvert this season to develop guys for the future if there’s a wide gap between two players. If Bayless were struggling and Blake were playing well, as was the case during long stretches of last season, fine. Play Blake.

But when the players are close in terms of their present contributions, and one of them is a 21 year old with the potential to be a perennial all star, the other is a journeyman who peaked last year, and the other is well into his 30s, a bad fit, and clearly well past his prime, you have to play the kid.

All those points are academic for now, though, because at the moment Bayless is far and away outplaying the other two guys.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think "close" is likely to be good enough for Nate

He wants to win now. If it is young guy = old guy, he might go with the young guy, but if it is young guy almost as good as old guy, he’ll go with the old unless the season is completely gone or KP orders him to.

As to your first point, I wasn’t talking about a system working against the team.

Andre creates offense for other people, and can score as well. For Jerryd to beat out Andre, he has to do a reasonable job of those things, maybe not as well as Andre, but reasonable. And if Andre is better at those things, he needs to make it up in other ways (defense, shooting, whatever).

To beat out Steve, he has to provide reasonable team defense on the perimeter and be able to spread the floor somewhat. If he’s not as good as Steve at one or both of those, he has to be good enough at other things to make it up somehow.

That’s all. I’m not saying he has to become Steve or Andre. But they provide certain things, and those things are valuable — if Jerryd is taking their minutes, he has to provide some of those same things.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 2:04 PM PST up reply actions  

But Nate has shown a tendency to go way past that

So far this year, and I strongly suspect for a very long time on the practice court, it’s been young guy >>> old guy, and yet Nate goes with old guy anyway because he likes old guy and he’s comfortable with old guy. That shouldn’t be acceptable to the organization.

I think it’s pretty unlikely we will see Blake > Bayless anytime this season. In terms of PER (small sample size, I know), Bayless has played about as well as Brandon Roy, and Blake has played as well as Duhon. Is it likely Duhon outplays Roy going forward? I realize the example seems ridiculous, because Brandon’s maintained or exceeded this level of production for three years, and Bayless struggled last year and has only played limited minutes.

But the point is, he doesn’t have to do much at all to bring more to the table than Steve. Even last year, when the consensus was that Bayless and Sergio stunk and Blake was super awesome, the numbers showed the Blazers played about the same during the stretch when Blake was injured.

Now that Blake has regressed to (or below) his career averages and Bayless is playing to his potential, I think it’s pretty unlikely Blake will objectively outplay Jerryd. But I don’t think Nate’s objective, and therein lies the problem.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

We didn't play the same when Blake was out

We only lost two games all year to losing teams when Blake was playing. We lost three in the games he was out. We played a weak schedule when he was out. The numbers you are looking at don’t reflect that.

Your assumption is that Bayless is going to continue as he has. If he does, there is no discussion to be had.

I think we are seeing Jerryd’s future. I do not know if he has truly arrived, or if we are just seeing more glimpses of what he is going to be. I am excited to find out.

#52

by jscot on Dec 19, 2009 3:55 AM PST up reply actions  

It is time to get that tough big man we need.

Trading Blake or Miller gets us a nobody in return you throw in JBay or Rudy which both play best at the 2 and can play the 1, you have something that can get us a somebody in return. Trade JBay now while he has value, or Rudy they both can’t play the backup role, there is not enough minutes. Lets go get us some toughness for this years playoffs!!!!!

Another random thought —They keep talking how hurt we were last night on TNT and how we lost our depth, can someone explain to me why our starters are not play more minutes then a team with its full set of reserves. (Blazers starters averaged 31.4 minutes Suns 35.6)

by KRAZY on Dec 18, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Bayless goes off for 29 huge points in 29 minutes to lead the Blazers back from a double digit hole in the fourth quarter, knocks down two clutch threes, looks like the absolute perfect compliement to Brandon Roy as the future point guard of a championship contender, and you want to trade him for some “toughness” in a RESERVE big man so that a depleted Blazers team will play better as the 7 or 8 seed in this year’s playoffs?

Um… I disagree. Very. Heartily. Disagree.

All the Blazers need is a back up PF. You can easily get one of those for Miller, and Blake’s expiring deal has value, as well. The idea of trading Bayless (much less trading him for a reserve) is quickly becoming preposterous.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Dunno who

But backup PF can also be gotted with the MLE this next offseason.

I am fine trading a non-Bayless PG for someone who will help, as long as it doesn’t just help this year.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I totaly agree that jbay looked great

He looked like he could play with Roy, it is only two games but it looks promising. Trading miller or Blake gets you nothing in return, throw Rudy into the mix it gets intresting we need to figure out who we want to start for us in the future and trade the other. Neither one is going to resign as a backup and other teams will know this, so let’s move one before that day comes. I don’t know what Rudy value is curently —-t prince? Battier? Others would have to be mixes in to make dollars match.

by KRAZY on Dec 18, 2009 1:29 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I like Rudy as a third guard off the bench for contending teams over the next couple years

While Bayless and Roy start.

Guys like Prince and Battier are well past their prime. Battier’s once famous plus/minus numbers have been turned on their head. The Rockets are now better when he’s not on the court. Prince declined last year, especially on the defensive end.

Nic Batum is the small forward of the future.

The Blazers don’t need any more starters. They need one more big guy off the bench, but that guy can be signed as a FA with the midlevel, or traded for with a lesser asset than Rudy. Blake’s contract or Miller aren’t going to net the Blazers an all-star, but they could easily get a back up PF who can rebound, play D, and hit a jumpshot. A Udonis Haslem type guy.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree entirely

Freeland might be the answer, too.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Blazer starters

Roy played 42 minutes, LMA 39, Martell 33.

Joel only got 25 because we went small the entire fourth with good effect — our 3 pointers bombed their lead into submission.

Andre only got 18 because Jerryd went KRAZY on them.

Why would you trade your PG of the future for a player who will be at best a backup when we are ready to contend for a championship this year. That’s KRAZY.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions  

None of them will be traded until Rudy comes back and plays a couple games,

This is probably true. However, there might be a couple of scenarios where KP would make a deal sooner

A contending team loses their starting PG to injury and is desperate, and their GM makes KP a screaming deal. (“Buh bye” Andre/Steve) Then, perhaps KP acquires a different veteran PG through another deal (or from a 3rd party in the same deal)

Or, if Mills shows himself capable enough to play backup PG and a deal comes along that KP feels he needs to make with Miller/Blake, then he could pull the trigger before Rudy is back. (This could also depend on how “competitive” the team is during the next month or so)

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by two4larue on Dec 18, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

You cut off the “I would guess”.

If a deal is good enough, you take it and sort out other concerns afterwards.

#52

by jscot on Dec 19, 2009 3:57 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not a confusing response, it was a bad question

Miller is the problem because he poor played his way into the starting line up. If Bayless could keep up his play, then he should start. Going off two games would be a knee jerk reaction since Blake got his shot to start, so to be fair to Miller, we gotta watch Miller stink it up for 20 or so games before Nate makes another change.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Miller has disappointed me

I was hesitant about the trade but figured that he was cheap and couldn’t hurt us. I was wrong. Perception is that there’s also an issue with him and playing time and that issue has effected his play. It could be wrong, but either way I’m not on the Miller bandwagon and I’m happy bayless is getting play because this means Miller might go soon. Blake will be fine if he can hit his dang 3pters. We HAVE to have him hitting though otherwise we just have two bad pg’s (for our system) and a potential one.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

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by ratbastird on Dec 18, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would rather Blake play 18 minutes

Bayless 38, and Miller 29. Still shocked that blake who was getting destroyed defensively still manages that much court time just because he looks like he is trying. Miller is better rebounder, passer and defender. Miller has not gotten consistent minutes yet. In the first Q we we up 9 -4 on several great lobs by miller. Then at the 8 minute mark in comes Blake. Suns promptly go on a run.

I want Miller starting. With bayless coming in and pushing Roy over to point and Rudy/Webster at the three. No more blake please.

by bunk moreland on Dec 18, 2009 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

And most of the open looks from the Suns

came when the Blazers tried to give Blake some help. The Suns went right at Blake all night long and got almost any shot they wanted.

Yes Blake hit some nice 3s here and there, but did that make up for giving the Suns wide-open looks?

by ralphzillo on Dec 18, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

In Blake's defense

he was both out of position (role!) and allegedly (my allegation) executing the game plan. He switched instantly any time the pick involved Nash, usually with Aldridge at the top of the key face guarding Nash.

I’m not sure if the announcer had it right, but he did say that was a typical strategy employed by opponents looking to slow Nash down. I’m guessing the Blazers game-planned that switch.

On the other hand, Blake sure looked out of position (spatial!) a lot, last night – especially right before a Sun took a shot….

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 18, 2009 9:52 AM PST up reply actions  

To be fair

a lot of Blazers looked out of position defending the perimeter.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather they got 20 minutes apiece

and that Webster got more playing time. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Dec 18, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Nate's saying that Bayless is perfect off the bench and he liked the rotation last night.

His scoring punch and energy are just what we need when Roy comes out. I think the rotation we saw last night might be the model.

Start Miller, because he’s the best and making the offense flow. He creates more easy baskets for our bigs than the other PGs, both on the break and with better interior passes.

Then bring Blake in with Miller to see if his stroke is on.

When Roy comes out, bring Bayless in and let him do his thing, scoring and providing much needed energy. Then let Bayless finish out the half with Roy.

For the second half you repeat and adjust according to how the first half went.

by DC Blazer on Dec 18, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

No reason to start Bayless at this point.

A) Our offense is flowing smoothly with Miller starting each half, even though his shooting has been poor.
B) Bayless is an energy guy, and those guys can be most effective when they come in when the other team has already been running up and down the court enough to take the edge off their energy. Then, you hit them with an explosive player.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I can live with Bayless not starting

Can’t live with Blake taking minutes from Martell….that is the worst rotation move yet….(worse, even, than Blake taking minutes from Rudy)

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 18, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

atypical

and Blake replaced Martell four minutes into the first

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 18, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Irrelevant

Fact: Blake wasn’t taking minutes from Martell last night.

Fact: Martell hasn’t played very well at all most of the season, but has shown signs of coming around in recent games, and got more minutes last night.

Fact: Roy doesn’t like playing SF, and Nate doesn’t like Roy playing SF, so if Martell performs, Martell will play.

#52

by jscot on Dec 19, 2009 3:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I wonder why I didn't know that

I don’t like Bayless, but not because of his play. I feel bad or missing out on more hate.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Just curious

why do you hate Bayless?

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

Team Edward or Team Jacob? ...neither..Team BAYLESS!!

by DaNoose on Dec 18, 2009 8:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't like his Joba Chamberlain act

I hate his nickname more than I anything. I hate how he called out his teammates, and then how fans just swept it under the rug. Any other player would have been crucified.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I missed all that.

Also I don’t know what Joba Chamberlain means.

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

Team Edward or Team Jacob? ...neither..Team BAYLESS!!

by DaNoose on Dec 18, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Being chunky and overrated?

Being incorrectly used by coach/manager?

Acting like every play is the biggest event in the world?

Hmmm…I don’t really think “Joba Chamberlain” when I see Bayless

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

What in the world are you talking about?

How did Bayless call out his teamates? Are you talking about the article where Quick assumed he was talking about miller and blake and decided to put those words in his mouth when Bayless was talking about the burn that other young PG’s in the league were getting? And I seriously don’t think Bayless gave himself his nickname so why hate on him for it?

by Flapbreaker on Dec 18, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Ummm Turkey.

With Kimchee.

And a nice crisp white from Georgia (Republic of).

We will tell you how it tasted.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 18, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, the Quick article

Had that been Roy, fans would have wanted to riot.

Regarding the nickname, I hate reading it and I hate how folks do a lion roar because of the lame nickname.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Bayless has said over and over

that it is tough for him to watch other young guys have success with playing time knowing what he can do and not getting minutes. Numerous times has this been mentioned from Ben to Barrett to everyone else on courtside including Wheels. Quick made a mistake in assuming, Bayless reiterated what he has been saying all along. To not like a guy for his passion too? I am speechless. The guy is exactly what we need next to Roy. Taking pressure off him while providing another legit scoring option to open more lanes for Roy later on is the perfect fit. Last night was the Bayless I saw play in college. Confidence makes a good player and playing time without having to worry about getting pulled for any one mistake builds confidence.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Confidence and skills that is.

But nonetheless, if he continues to develop and build confidence without worry he will be a great fit IMO.

I can respect your opinion, but I actually like Bayless more for the things you dislike him for.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

All I'm saying

Is that when LeBron and Kobe act like Bayless acts, Blazers fans say they are a jerk. I bet Blazers fans hate that MJ did that shrug thing against the Blazers and that is a total Bayless move.

I got nothing against his passion, I just hate that he acts like he made a Finals game 7 winning shot in the 2nd and 3rd quarters of a game in December.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I can respect that.

I do think that those two in particular take it to another level though. LeBron especially. He stares down people constantly and struts around like he is the “GOAT” already.

Bayless plays with a fire. I have witnessed him yell out in passion, but my opinion is that it has something to do with frustration. He believes in himself and when he does something well he appears to scream as if he’s proving a point to our staff or doubters. Sometimes passion is a way of freeing yourself and feeling vindicated.

Again, that is just my opinion. He’s a kid still, there is still some maturation to be had. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't mind a little showboating after a dunk

It’s the obscenity after a miss free throw that to me says, “I’m intense, I’m just as unhappy as you fans that I missed the free throw.” I’m pretty sure every player is unhappy when they miss a free throw. It also reminds me of when I would miss a ball in t-ball and blame my mitt.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

It's always that damn mitt's fault!

Unfortunately obscenity is something that will never go away. Times are changing, language is as well. I mean, we use letters in acronym form to make statements and tell stories. What I am saying is, that is something everyone does. It is such a common thing now days that I don’t even acknowledge it. Why when you can’t do anything about it?

As long as Bayless doesn’t turn into the Garnot type a-hole I am content. As he grows and matures he will understand that foul language only shows an uneducated mind. Well, at least hope is such.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree and disagree

My buddy and I were just talking about this. It’s the whole “act like you’ve been there before thing.” The thing is, he hasn’t been there before. This is just unbridled true emotion—letting out a year and a half of frustration, being (somewhat childishly) overjoyed about finally doing well when given the shot.

The difference, and what makes me OK with it, is that the Lebron smugness is not there. Bayless is just overly excitable right now, and frankly, the way this team has played with subpar passion, I think it’s a much needed shot in the arm.

Now if he’s still acting like that in the 2nd quarter in a year (or even a few months from now), it’ll get under my skin. Once you HAVE been there, act like you’ve been there before. For now, I’m rather enjoying the fire and I think the team is too.

by Dunemonkey on Dec 18, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I can respect that too

however, Bayless was always the stud on his team everywhere he has played until now. And yes, in his one year of college he was “there.” It’s harder for some to adjust, especially since this kid was a top 4 prospect in his draft by most all experts(if there is a such thing).

His passion is something the crowd feeds off of. It can be a pro and a con. For me, if his passion is a way of freeing his frustration so that he can move on and become a good player, then so be it.

I cannot fault him for being overly excited. He has believed in himself and faced the adversity for the first time in his life head on. Let him get it all out. I guarantee if he does it for the long haul someone in the league will put him on his ass and remind him he has a ways to go and that is not how to earn respect.

I personally love it all! We need passion and fire on this team. We need to show people we are not afraid. We need people to stand up to others and let them know we are not going to back down and that we are going to continue to attack him passion and fire.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

What bothered me

Was that by looking at him with about 4 minutes to go, you’d think the Blazers were leading by 20.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I also wish I had more motivation

I’d go see who complained about Roy’s yell as he attacks the basked and then see what they say about the way Bayless acts.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I can tell you that I've been somewhat

critical of Brandon’s yelp, but I just don’t think the two things are all that related. Brandon’s yelp is nothing but a tactical maneuver, I just question it’s effectiveness as such if used every time he drives.

I’m not saying this affects the “bayless’s behavior is good or bad” debate. I’m just saying I find them unrelated.

by Dunemonkey on Dec 18, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate Roy's yell and I love Bayless

insert that into pipe and light a match

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 18, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I am ok with it too

Because this team tends to follow Roy’s lead …which is fine…that cool calm deadly approach is very effective. ….but sometimes it is too cool …Rex brings some much needed fire!! On a team of hot heads it might not work …on this team it might just be the thing the doctor ordered

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Dec 18, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It'll will go away with a little maturity.

Once he gets regular burn, it will go away. I think it is more of a “I told you so” reaction which is a good thing. He’s confindent and he is right…

So do you hate Martell Webster, too? After all, he grunts and makes faces, shrugs his shoulders and sticks out his chest after every dunk?

Let's do it for the big man!...and Rudy!....and Nic!...and, uh, Trout, Pendy, Patty, Mo, Mr. Allen, and Nate!

Rehab With Us

by clinchmobb on Dec 18, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I hated (and still despise) Michael Jordan, but actually liked his shrug

It was directed at the announcers, and it was basically an admission that he was shooting the ball much better than normal.

We’ve all experienced a hot hand—even if it’s just in a game of HORSE in the backyard. It can be ridiculous—as though anything you throw up will go in. It was refreshing to me to see the best player in the world acknowledge that the hot hand phenomenon was as strange & mysterious to him as it is to the rest of us.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.

by hurryup09 on Dec 18, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions  

An interesting footnote:

You may recall that the moment Jordan shrugged, his hot streak ended. (Too late for the Blazers, unfortunately.) Jordan violated a basic rule: you can’t step outside “the Zone” even for a moment. It’s like a trance you’re in; if you open your eyes, it’s over.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.

by hurryup09 on Dec 18, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean like this?

B-Rex! RRRROOOOOOOWWWWWR!!!!!

Let's do it for the big man!...and Rudy!....and Nic!...and, uh, Trout, Pendy, Patty, Mo, Mr. Allen, and Nate!

Rehab With Us

by clinchmobb on Dec 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait.

Is this the Teen Beat messageboard?

Nice reasons to hate someone…

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 18, 2009 8:49 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

LMAO

That is a classic statement. So you’re saying there’s a chance……? Haha.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

You are in danger of going from the resident jester to becoming a troll under the bridge

Maybe some meditation or a couple of umbrella drinks will do the trick. Try looking at Miller and Bayless with fresh eyes. Getting locked into a negative mind-set is messing with your humor and messing with team chemistry here at B Edge.

We need you man!

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

No way

I don’t understand why it’s okay for a large contingency to hate Blake and Nate yet since I refuse stop hating the way Bayless behaves and to jump on the Bayless bandwagon after two games makes me a troll.

I am not a lemming. You can look at my history, I have said often that I thought Bayless would be the starting point guard for the Blazers one day and I am also on record saying that his stupid nickname irritates me and I think he need be more mature.

Bayless can be the starting point guard for 5 championships in a row and I will still hate his nickname and his over reactions to benign plays.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Obviously, my comments were mostly made in jest.

It is a free site (until Dave starts charging) and a free country. You can hate all you want.

I too hate the Rex nickname. I too am on record as saying that I think it reinforces a rather stupid caricature of a fairly nice young guy. It is the sort of caricature that will not help Jerryd in the long run.

He is intense and fiery. He is uber competitive. He is also smart, hard-working, highly coachable and a good teammate. He is also 21. He has a lot of bottled up energy because he burns to succeed. As he finds minutes and success, he will learn to control and channel that energy.

Don’t judge Miller by the last two games or even the last two months. He is a consummate professional and has played at a very high level for a very long time. It is possible that his tanking is running low, but it is more likely that his play is a reflection on the inconsistent manner in which he has been used. Nate has almost gone out of his way to make life difficult for Dre.

Certainly you can hate all you want. The difference for those of us who have been critical of Steve is that Steve’s play has truly warranted criticism. Sometimes the truth hurts. Hating on the guy with the PER over 20 is harder to defend than hating on the guy whose PER is below 10. That is simply reality.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Well said.

Emphasizing Bayless’ age is important. His upside and potential is being realized and my opinion is that he will not disappoint.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't care about criticisim for poor play, players deserve that

Well I don’t know if they deserve it, but I don’t care if someone points it out. If someone screws up, I think it’s best to learn from it and move on, but I accept that criticizing and pointing out mistakes is what people do on the internet.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm really not so sure Tom doesn't have a point..

You gotta love Bayless’ play, but that is not to say any consideration of his personality/attitude is “off limits”.
When I say i’m not so sure, that’s is what I mean. People throw around accusations, as a fan I really give our own players the benefit of the doubt, but another fan simply being honest with his own doubts or concerns is cool with me. I hope Tom is wrong about Bayless, and Miller for that matter, but I don’t really know. We’ll see. Some fans may well like a trash talkin’, in your face (arrogant?) personality, so good for them. Not really my style either. You can have plenty of passion without being in people’s face with your big mouth (Garnett), let your playing do the talking, but that’s just me. This is a new world for Jerryd, a dream come true. We really have yet to see his level of success, and how he handles it.

"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener

by Berkeley on Dec 18, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

cool

"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener

by Berkeley on Dec 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

act like you've been there before

this is what veterans always say to hot dogs who celebrate small victories, like dancing after a TD or sack in the NFL.

I can say “you should never do that” because it’s not my personality to do it, but for me to say a 21 year pro who has finally realized his lifetime dream should tone it down…I’m not going there

My criteria is: are Bayless’ demonstrations hurting the team in any way? Or does he get his older teammates “fired up” to play harder on a night in the middle of a 82 game grind? If the answers to those questions are no/yes, then let the kid wear his heart out on his sleeve. I suspect he’ll “tone it down” as he gets older…most of us do

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 18, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

lol

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Dec 18, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

It's more because of team bayless

They’ve been quite vocal since 2 summer leagues ago that Bayless would play like he did last night and hating on Nate and any other player that they thought was in his way.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I don’t think Dwight has ever written about fan support for Bayless. He just always worries about playing time for guys like Rudy and Travis and Jerryd and Nic and… who he thinks could one day be better on another team. His ideal team model would probably be 5 All-Stars and the rest of the team full of Joels. I can understand where he’s coming from, but as we’ve seen this year injuries and slumps can wipe out depth in a hurry.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 18, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

I kind of responded as to why I get sick of Bayless not Dwight. I know Dwight likes to say Rudy has to be traded all the time, I didn’t know about the Bayless stuff.

I agree with your assessment of Dwight.

by tominhawaii on Dec 18, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I hated Dwight when

he was in Canzano’s position at the Oregonian, and I haven’t changed my mind since. He has always been a negative writer. But it appears to me that when he is on tv or the radio he has a different style. Maybe I’m seeing and hearing things though.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought Dwight was drunk on the 5th quarter last night,

forgot about the Oregonian job, that explains it all. Thank you for the reminder.

GO REX !!!!

Go Blazers !!!!

"That's just how I get down"........ Andre Miller

by FrenchieFan on Dec 18, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Tom, it sounds like you don’t really hate bayless as much as you hate the bayless supporters. Kind of a weird argument. Seems liike you had made up your mind about Bayless last year and really didn’t want him to succeed so you could be right. I can always tell the Bayless haters because they have been saying things like “two games of good play doesn’t mean squat” yet if they would open their eyes and look at all the games that Bayless played in this season he showed remarkable improvement over last year. In fact even in his very short stint he made positive contributions while Steve blake continued to stink the place up. How some people can’t see that this guy will be a very very good player is beyond me. All I’m saying is that it was painfully obvious that Bayless deserved more minutes while Blake sucked. Even Branded admited that in practice that NOBODY can keep Bayless out of the paint. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Why on earth would Nate sit a guy on the bench who can penatrate at will when nobody this year seems to be able to. People talked about Bayless not being a true point gaurd. Well, look what happened when we got one. We found out that Roy can’t/won’t play well with a true point gaurd. Bayless is the perfect compliment to roy. And to think, we could of just traded him away only to have him come back and burn us over and over with his new team.

by Flapbreaker on Dec 19, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't want any Blazer fair

That’s the big difference between and me and Team Bayless. I feel they root for Blake to fail so that Bayless can get more playing time. I would like everyone to do really well and have the Blazers make the playoffs and win a championship.

by tominhawaii on Dec 19, 2009 10:38 AM PST up reply actions  

"Efficient Iverson"?

C’mon, Ben, let’s not get crazy here. The “Actual Iverson” is a first ballot hall of famer, ex-MVP, and one of the most gifted and talented athletes of his generation. An “Efficient Iverson” would have made for the best player in the NBA.

by Coastie07 on Dec 18, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions  

I take "Efficient" to mean

-passes to teammates in crunch time.

-willing to play alongside and complement someone who is clearly more likely to create a higher % play.

-shows up to practice and works hard every day.

-doesn’t have a train wreck of a crew.

Iverson came into the league and was immediately overrated. He was the Wilkins of his era and never won anything. He got through to the finals while the East was down and his teammates were riding personal career hot streaks. He broke a lot of ankles but never understood winning basketball. And he continues to NOT UNDERSTAND.

J-Bay should be OK though. He’s got the work ethic and desire to dominate, but wasn’t simply handed to keys to the car the second he arrived.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 18, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is how I took "efficient" too.

Basically, Iverson with all his negatives turned into positives, which would make Bayless the best guard in the league. That’s a pretty high ceiling.

by Coastie07 on Dec 18, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions  

someone has to be the best

Alligator Rex is a candidate for best guard off the Blazer bench…

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 18, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

You haven't been around long enough

There have been very few consistent Bayless supporters on this site, guys who said he was our PG of the future all through training camp last year, multiple DNP-CDs, Summer League struggles, Miller signings, etc.

There were a few of us, but it was lonely at times.

But Ben has brought Bayless mania to the front page of Bedge from day one, when everyone laughed at him. He’s in his glory now, just like upper left corner, and me, and a few others.

Let us have our excesses.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

On top, a facelift of hope.

Best.Line.Ever.

Well written , well done. Thx

S

The Princess of Blazersedge

It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime

by BlazerFan1 on Dec 18, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

There are people all over this site saying

“rawr”…..

……………………

The Princess of Blazersedge

It just takes an iron fist to keep the riff raff under control and her princess hand is mad strong- Idoltime

by BlazerFan1 on Dec 18, 2009 9:30 AM PST reply actions  

Wait a minute

I don’t get to too many games, but I was there last night. I got a headache from the non-stop blare of noise that wasn’t the game at all. I lasted about 3 seconds into that joke of a band at halftime and spent the rest of the break wandering the halls. What is it about people that the game itself isn’t entertaining enough that you have to shoot t-shirts out of cannons, play price is right, etc. Great, great game though.

by gawdpdx on Dec 18, 2009 9:32 AM PST reply actions  

What's wrong with a little extra entertainment?

Granted, no one really enjoyed the band, but t-shirts are great (unless they land in the luxury boxes…seriously!), and those “Trail Breakers” are amazing! I think the Blazer Dancers & Stunt Team would feel a little put upon if they had to perform for every single stoppage in play.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions  

I hear what you're saying, but in fairness,

I’ve been to games in close to a dozen current NBA arenas, and I’m pretty sure the Rose Garden is among the less senses-assaulting experiences you’ll get. Hard to believe, but it’s true. What’s most jarring is when the excessive noise and crowd-pumping is inversely proportional to the number of people in the stands (Memphis, Atlanta, etc.).

Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.

by Badalona Baddie on Dec 18, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

QUANDARY

Great breakout game from Bayless. Martel was also awe inspiring and finally had me really excited about his above the rim potential. And Roy, wow. Having those three jumping jack, athletic players in the game at the same time is something to behold.

A problem that I see: Nate said something to the effect that he’s finally realized Bayless is a flat out scorer and he will use him in that capacity now instead of trying to make him into a distributing PG (like trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear?). Well, doesn’t that leave us with 3 talented players at the SG position — Roy, Rudy, and Bayless? I’m not sure this is a situation that will lend itself to harmonious and positive results. Plus, IMO, we are still left without a “good” point guard.

What to do? Trading Rudy or Bayless seems an obvious solution. Combine one of those two with Andre, and/or perhaps Travis or Martel (we’ll have a log jam at the 3 spot too when all return to health) and we have a serious down payment on a quality PG or maybe even a big banger.

No?

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Dec 18, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

My opinion is that

the definition of a quality PG has to be redefined to what fits best with Roy. Roy is here to stay and he has said that he doesn’t think he would play well with a quality PG that needs to control the ball. Having said that, it is my opinion that a guard like Bayless will be a better answer in the long run. Someone who can draw some of the pressure and double/triple teams off of Roy and whom can create some offense himself. I am an avid Bayless supporter, but I still think he has a little bit of a ways to mature. He needs the minutes and I am confident he will get there. They need to get used to playing with each other. These past two games have offered a glimpse of what could be and ultimately that is what I hold hope for.

I think a banger is more of a need. I thought so in the offseason as well. But my opinions are just that, my opinions. That is why I am not a GM and I don’t get paid to make those decisions.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

My trade idea is Andre Miller for Jeff Foster.

That would be an easy trade salary-and-contract-wise (they make almost the exact same salary and are in next-to-last guaranteed years of contracts). Foster is a classic banger, doesn’t need the ball, gets rebounds and plays defense. Indiana could use a steady veteran hand and I’m not sure TJ Ford is really that guy.

I’m not totally convinced of Indiana’s benefit in this deal, but maybe we could throw in a draft pick.

Hit it. Yes he did. Ohhhh yeah.

by Badalona Baddie on Dec 18, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions  

they might want Miller

They are not very interested in TJ Ford. But this is not a long-term solution for them. I think only a contender that needs a point guard would have a very high interest in Miller – and the Pacers can’t really be considered a contender at this point. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Dec 18, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been an "add Foster" advocate

Jeff is Joel Przybilla, without the shotblocking ability

Miller is a better NBA player than Foster, he’s also making slightly more $. I would want “more” in return from Indy than Foster, in exchange for Andre. (KP would probably hold out for Hansbrough, knowing how high the Blazers were on Tyler at draft time.) There could be a match with Indy, especially if the Pacers see Miller as being able to get them “somewhere” in the postseason.

But the deal I’m holding out hope for is a “Miller saves the day” scenario where a final’s caliber team suffers an injury to their starting PG and they need veteran PG help in a hurry. That’s when KP should cash in his #24 chip. There’s no internal pressure to deal Miller, from Portland’s perspective…we could easily be having this same conversation 12 months from now (much to tom’s chagrin…) when Andre’s expiring contract will have even more value

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 18, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed: Bayless, in the long-run, is the right kind of player to complement Roy

I know Nate wants a PG who mirrors his old game: solid distributor, great defense, no mistakes, hits the outside shot. That would work well enough with Roy, but it’s pretty clear that we don’t have a guy like that, and there are no clear trades we can make to get one. Bayless looks like he could be a great alternative.

I really enjoyed watching Roy and Bayless together last night. They clicked very well. They did all the things I wished Andre and Roy would do. Now Bayless needs floor time to develop. He’ll go through cold spells. How will things work when his outside shot is off? He’ll play teams that can slow him down. He’ll probably face double teams inside. How will he handle it? He’s going to need playing time to deal with those inevitable speed bumps.

And either he or Roy needs to learn how to feed the post from the perimeter and hit the bigs on fast breaks. Bayless had one great lob to LA last night. Roy seems incapable of hitting LA on breaks and his entry passes tend to be ineffective. If Bayless can learn from Andre and improve his passing skills, the sky will be the limit.

by DC Blazer on Dec 18, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

"Scorer" and "PG" are not incompatible

Think Tony Parker.

Bayless and Roy can be a hugely effective backcourt. They were against Sacramento, and they were against Phoenix.

Will it work against a quality defensive team? Remains to be seen. But the point is that they functioned extremely well together.

We’ve seen in the fourth of the last two games exactly what I’ve been telling you about since we got Jerryd. Two players (Roy and Bayless) who can slice through the defense and take it to the hoop, or dish to an open shooter for the 3 (Rudy, perhaps?).

If what we say of Jerryd last night continues, and Rudy returns firing, it makes Steve unnecessary, not Jerryd. Or perhaps Andre could be traded for that big man.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

You need somone to direct the team,

set up plays, see the floor, and hit the open man. We haven’t much seen that ability from Bayless. Blake is better at all those than Jerryd but he is lacking in other areas. Miller’s not the answer for this particular team either I don’t think. That’s why we may/should be considering looking at other options at upgrading the PG position.

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Dec 18, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions  

We've seen some of it from Bayless

A lot more than last year. He’s obviously progressing in that.

Multiple times this year I’ve seen him drive to the hoop and dish to the 3 point line, to Juwan or Dante at the free throw line/elbow for an open jumper, etc. Passes that I didn’t know how he even saw the guy. He’s collapsing the defense, and learning to dish out of it.

He did bring it down and initiate the offense several times last night. He’s on his way, IMO.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Well on his way

Jerryd ran the point for long stretches of crunchtime in both of the past two games. I thought he’s looked great lately creating for other guys. Deron Williams was a two guard in college and couldn’t create a shot for anybody his rookie year. Chauncey didn’t learn how to pass until year four or five. The idea that point guard skills are innate is passe.

Likewise, the idea that teams NEED a traditional point guard is repeatedly proven invalid. You don’t want a me first guy running the point, but you don’t have to rely on a CP3/Nash type playmaker. The Cavs do just fine with Mo Williams, and his passing/creating skills and pure point rating aren’t all that dissimilar from where Jerryd already is (not to mention what Jerryd can develop into).

I think the idea that the Blazers need to look elsewhere for the starting PG of the future will continue to steadily lose steam through the rest of the season. Bayless is the answer and he will be one of the best young point guards in the league within two years, if not sooner.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh come on Mr. Corelone ... lets keep it real

I know you’ve been a huge Bayless fan all along but let’s not be throwing out so much junk to prove your point.

Deron Williams was of course a member of the 3 guard offense that took Illinios to within one point of a NCAA championship. He was a play maker then as he has always been. He ranked 3rd in the Big Ten as a freshman in assists with 4.53 per game. As a sophomore his assists went up to 6.17. He had 359 assists as a rookie with Utah. And you’re trying to compare him to Bayless?! Let’s be fair here. Daron Williams does not offer proof that “point guard skills are innate is passe” as you state. Utah was hot after him because they thought he’d be a good replacement for Stockton … and they were right on. You’ll need to look for other examples to prove your point.
 
You also state that a team’s need of a traditional point guard is repeatedly proven invalid and you give the Cav’s Mo Williams as evidence. I’m not too up on that but I’ve read how the Cav’s lack of success in the playoff’s last year was at least partially due to Mo William’s shortcomings being exposed.

Bayless has never showed himself to be a playmaker. By what he recently said, Nate seems to have realized that and is handing him a different role …. which is a huge boon to Jerryd.

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Dec 18, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

“Me and Brandon talked about it a lot. We feel kind of like he’s the LeBron (James) and I can be the Mo Williams off of him..”
- Jerryd Bayless

Shake… and Bake!

"Sometimes that light at the end of the tunnel is a train."
-- Charles Barkley

by halo_on on Dec 18, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

ClAsSiC!

Pick your method – b"ROY"led or "BAY"ked

The hope is that both stay as efficient. I believe!

by 2dVs4u on Dec 18, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Kobe and Fisher?

Allen and Rondo?
Finley and Parker?

The best correllation is…..LeBron and Mo.

Let's do it for the big man!...and Rudy!....and Nic!...and, uh, Trout, Pendy, Patty, Mo, Mr. Allen, and Nate!

Rehab With Us

by clinchmobb on Dec 18, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

They had some great McDonalds commercials

but I’m pretty sure they didn’t win a championship together…unless, of course, you are talking about the original dream team.

by jigglyai on Dec 18, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

and Bird was a forward not a shooting guard...

Let's do it for the big man!...and Rudy!....and Nic!...and, uh, Trout, Pendy, Patty, Mo, Mr. Allen, and Nate!

Rehab With Us

by clinchmobb on Dec 19, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

that's my combo

and I first made the “connection” back in ’08

TP took a year or two to get his game together, playing behind Valentine and Colter and shooting well below 35% from 3pt range for his first 3 seasons. But Porter was a hard worker and learned how play “off” of Clyde without sacrificing his own aggressive penetration. Of course Roy isn’t exactly like Drexler and Jerryd won’t play the same way as Terry—that’s not the point. The hope is that they’ll have the opportunity to grow together and develop a synergy that will win playoff series for years to come. It’s taken awhile for this duo to “get started” (and I’m not saying that Bayless needs to be inserted as a starter this year) but he does need to play alongside Roy a heckuva lot more than he has, so far.

This was my take last year, when Blake hurt his shoulder: don’t start Sergio, keep him coming off the bench with Rudy. If Nate had started Bayless then, Jerryd would’ve gained valuable experience guarding elite PGs and began the process of meshing with Brandon. Maybe JB would’ve struggled and the team wouldn’t have won as many games while Steve was out, but who knows? Perhaps we would’ve seen a few more games like the NJ game if Bayless had received more consistent PT and not had to look over his shoulder at the bench everytime he made a rookie mistake

The good news is…Bayless kept his head up and continued to push and now is getting his chance and making the best of it, just like Porter did 20+ years ago

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 18, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

What has impressed me most

about Bayless this year is that he seems to see the floor and make much better decisions than last season. I don’t know what his assist to turnover ratio is, but my impression is that it is much improved. Most certainly his outside shot is better. I haven’t been any more than a “wait-and-see” Bayless fan, but what I’ve been seeing is very encouraging. Hope to see much more.

by NicBatumFan on Dec 18, 2009 10:59 AM PST reply actions  

He's playing within himself

He’s making the kind of passes that flow from his natural game rather than trying to be someone he’s not.

His passing still has a way to go. But I agree, he appears to see the floor much better.

by DC Blazer on Dec 18, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions  

2-1 AST/TO

Good, not great. Ideally, an aggressive offensive player like him would get that up to 2.5 to 1 or 3 to 1.

#52

by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank you Mr. Barkley

I like that Sr. Charles basically called out McMillan. He was dumb founded that Bayless hasn’t been able to get more minutes. That kid needs more minutes!

by pedalhome on Dec 18, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

and he also said...

There are guards on that team that shouldn’t be playing ahead of him (read Steve Blake and possibly Rudy). If Bayless can increase his effectiveness out to the 3pt line, then the other guys really don’t have a significant role

by ralphzillo on Dec 18, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, but Chuck wasn't watching last year when JB's shot was off

and he was fouling and turning the ball over. Easy to scratch your head about it now (as many have been for the past few weeks), but sitting him did make more sense last year.

by Dunemonkey on Dec 18, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The best quote from the phoenix gameday thread was,

“Broy is a second or third tier player, with definite second tier clutchness” this was an unconvinced response to a claim that “Broy is awesome”

It made me laugh but I realized they dont see brandon play every 4th quarter. He is Solidly in the second tier with first tier clutchness imo.

by tevisthe4th on Dec 18, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

He did

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Dec 18, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

strategy

Right now, probably the prudent strategy:

1). Trade Miller for a backup center. Miller’s a good player. If he’s not a fit to make full use of his abilities at Portland, then it is prudent to trade him for someone who can make more complete use of his ability.

The concession on the Blazers side would be to find someone with an expendable $5 million caliber backup center who is getting paid $7 million.

Overpaying a bit would be worth it because they would be filling the hole that most desperately needs filling.

2). When Patty Mills is healthy, see if he is up to the job of backup PG.

3). If so, when Blake’s contract is over, let him walk.

The new Blazer guard lineup will then be:

Roy, Fernandez, Bayless, Mills

Address the eternal question of whether Bayless is a point guard by simply declaring that you no longer consider there to be a distinction between a point guard and shooting guard. Roy and Fernandez both have some point guard skills. Simply put two guards on the court.

by lsjogren on Dec 18, 2009 12:30 PM PST reply actions  

An alternative...

1) Use Blake’s $4M expiring contract to find a backup 4/5. (I’d personally like to see Travis’ contract combined to give us a $9M banger in return, but either way…)

2) Start Dre, have Bayless and Mills, all with similar playing styles, learn from Dre. Benefit to the team is having a consistent, FAST, pace all game long.

3) Next year, before the deadline, trade Dre’s $7M expiring contract for the final piece to the championship puzzle… whatever that may be…

But I do like your idea that we just have guards… Roy, Rudy, Bayless and Mills sounds fun to me!

by Visionary2 on Dec 18, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

A Botox Injection of Inspiration?

I don’t know, in the course of a season I think you have losses that get blown out of proportion by the fans and wins that get blown out of proportion by the fans. I tend to think too much is being made out of this win. It was nice, good for Bayless but….

“A season, seemingly hopeless just days before, has new legs. Underneath, the many underlying problems remain. On top, a facelift of hope.”-Ben

A facelift of hope? Where did that come from? Maybe it was a liposuction of despair? Check with Wheels and Emma Patterson, maybe it was a stomach banding of discouragement!

   No, I’m happy. It certainly was the game you kept thinking Bayless wanted to have, was waiting to have, and given the reported effort Bayless has consistently put in, I’m glad to see him have the game. But let’s not get too excited….there’s a tough road trip ahead and not only does Bayless have a lot more to prove, but the entire team as well.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Dec 18, 2009 2:00 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe Roy can develop into a Mo Williams like secondary scoring threat...

In Bayless I trust.
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by staylost on Dec 18, 2009 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

I like the BRoy and Rex pairing in the 4th...

But what the heck are they going to do when Rudy comes back??? Too many talented guards and not enough talented bigs (with Greg being out).

by jenstcy on Dec 18, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

we only have 1 SF at the moment

at least when the Blazers go to the 3-guard lineup with Rudy instead of Blake, they won’t be midgets at the 2

by blacknoiseNW on Dec 18, 2009 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You got a problem with midgets?

Money

Let's do it for the big man!...and Rudy!....and Nic!...and, uh, Trout, Pendy, Patty, Mo, Mr. Allen, and Nate!

Rehab With Us

by clinchmobb on Dec 19, 2009 2:15 PM PST up reply actions  

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