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One man's perspective on sports and fandom, served with a side of Bayless.

Last night was pretty special for me.  I was sitting on my couch with my wife, so sick from a cold that I forgot to change from the Newshour to the game.  I came to my senses at the start of the second quarter.  

You ask, what made the night so special?  It wasn't the great victory over the mighty Kings.  This was an overly close game against a lesser opponent.  It wasn't even the fact that Nate came to his senses and started Miller and gave Bayless some run.  Bayless has gotten minutes before.  Bayless has scored before, in fact this was his third game with 14 points, so far this season.  Bayless didn't really do anything he hasn't done all season.  

What changed is that he got to do it with the game on the line.  He was put in a pressure situation, and he responded with the same kind of performance we have seen all season:  efficient scoring, 50% + shooting, an outstanding ability to get to the line and decent ball security. What made the night special for me was less what Bayless did on the floor and more the broad acceptance he received from fans, broadcasters, coaches and teammates.

Bayless is going to make a ton of mistakes, but I think it is pretty clear to the majority of folks that he is going to be a good player and potentially an outstanding player.  There are of coarse, a few holdouts out there (AK are you listening?), but most are starting to catch on to what some of us have been saying ad naseum for over a year.

After the game, as I stared sniffling and sleepless at my ceiling, I got to thinking about my experience as a Blazer fan, in general, and as a Bayless Believer, in particular.  Why do I care?  Is it simply the narcissistic arrogance of wanting to be right?  There is no doubt there is an element of that.  We all like to win arguments; we all like to feel vindicated in our judgments.  But I think there is more to it than that.   Follow me across the jump to read my thoughts.  Maybe a little sentimental or sappy, but it is the holiday season.  I know it is long, but I hope you enjoy the journey and that it may help you to reflect on your own experience as a fan.

Star-divide

The Role of Sports in My Early Years

My family moved to Portland from Washington State in early October of 1969.  We literally arrived on the scene the same week the Blazers came into existence.  I was eleven years old and in the sixth grade.  I went from being the most popular kid at my old school to being "the new kid" just as I was entering those fragile pre-teen years.  My eighty one year old mother still tells the story of me coming home on several occasions and collapsing in a puddle of tears.  Those first months were pretty darn lonely, two things got me through:  participatory sports and obsessively following the Blazers on my portable radio and in the sports pages of the Oregonian.

The Blazers distracted me from my troubles.  Participatory sports became my avenue to acceptance in my new school.  I was a good student, but being a good student is often a social liability.  I was also a good athlete, not a great one, but a good one.  My Dad was a minor league pitcher and I still cherish the faded news clippings of his brief career with the Oakland Oaks ( the Korean War started and he had to enroll in college or be drafted) which state that he was, "the hardest throwing pitcher anyone has seen since Walter Johnson."

I can still recall the early day when my PE class chose sides for flag football, and the PE teacher asked me to kick a punt.  I was a regional Punt, Pass, Kick champion. I caught a real good one, the ball went way over the head of the returner for the other team and sailed for nearly fifty-yards.  All of the other kids just stood and stared at me, the boys had new found looks of respect and the girls showed a first glimmer of interest.  And so it went, I made the Goldenball team that fall, and although I wasn't a starter, I at least got a little street cred for making the team.  In the spring, I made the All-Star team in Little League, and I was pretty much on my way to fitting in.  I'm sure that my experiences are far from unique.  Sport and competition has played a huge role in the lives of millions of kids.  

Watching sports played an important role in my relationship with my older brothers and my father.  I watched my brothers compete on Friday night and then we all sat down and watched sports together on most weekends.  My brothers were in college by the time we moved to Portland.  The Blazers became an important part of my relationship with my Dad. We didn't have the money to attend games in the first few years, but by 1973, my dad was sharing a pair of season tickets with a couple of guys from work.  My Mom loved the games, so I only got to go to a few each year, but those games were a very big deal to me.

In June of 1977, I was taking a year off between high school and college in order to work in the Oregon Legislature. It was an amazing opportunity for a young guy.  The Legislature was meeting almost around the clock trying to finish its biennial session on the day the Blazers won the Championship.  I can still recall the House of Representatives unanimously taking a recess so we could all watch the second half of the final game.  The scene was utter pandemonium.  Nearly two hundred Legislators, lobbyists, and staffers huddled around a single TV outside the House Chambers in the capital.  Across the Capital, the Senate had taken a similar recess. The raucous cheers and loud moans echoed back and forth underneath the capital dome.  It remains one of the most vivid memories of my life over thirty years later.  I had to work the day of the Parade in Portland, but high-fiving Legislators, leaping around like school children, was plenty of celebration for me.

The Middle Years

For most of the past thirty two years, I have cheered the team from near and far.  There was the year I lived in Peru and asked my Dad to mail me clipping even though it was expensive to send them Air Mail.  There was the year when I lived in New York and could hardly get any info about the team on the day it actually happened.  I can still recall the day I heard Buck Williams was coming to town and thinking "This is it, we are going to win another Championship."  We came mighty close.

Through the ups and downs of school, business, marriage, and fatherhood, the Blazers have been a constant.  I will readily confess that I did "boycott" the team for two years during the depths of the JB era, but it was always with the intention of coming back as soon as I felt I could get behind the team without being embarrassed. 

Blazer Edge

I found BE about three years ago just as the team started to pull itself out of the muck.  I lurked for most of a season, I felt I had nothing substantive to add to the conversation.  But reading led to other b-ball sites and lead to more knowledge of the game.

My first real opinion about this new set of Blazers was that their defense, in general, and their perimeter defense, in particular, was desperately in need of improvement.  By the spring of 2008, I got really hooked once again.  Just as the Blazers were a pleasant distraction in my childhood, I have found them to be a pleasant distraction in the past two years of nearly catastrophic economic troubles  I am a real estate investor and home renovator, the last two years have been extremely difficult.  BE has been a place I come to for friendship, repartee, and solace.  I have found that it has really deepened my understanding of the game and my experience as a fan.

My repeated plunges into the Polemical Point Guard Wars over the past two years has been a lot of fun.  I have been a big supporter of Oden, Batum, and most of all, Bayless.  Feeling as though I had the right basic evaluation of Bayless makes me feel like I have something to give back to this community

I believe all three guys have a chance to be outstanding, and if they live up to that potential, along with Roy and LMA, I believe there will be at least one or two parades in downtown Portland during the next decade.  Potential is a tricky thing, as easily elusive as a broken patella.  Let's hear it for our young warriors, may they mend, and grow, and reach the heights.

In the end however, let us remember that journey is far more fulfilling than the brief moment at the pinnacle.  I want to thank Dave, and Ben, and all my fellow B Edgers, for enriching my fan experience.

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good post

www.ripcitydispatch.com

by Blazer Guy on Dec 16, 2009 5:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

thanks, I enjoyed your post.

 I also agree with you about Baybay. I am about %80 percent sure he will be an above average player in this league, with a decent chance of becoming an all-star.

by organjet on Dec 16, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant piece, one of the best of the year. Big REC.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 16, 2009 10:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Hey man. I'm humbled by the praise, especially coming from you.

I have really been enjoying your new series of post this season. Keep up the good work.

by upper left corner on Dec 17, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Telling it like it is

I remember watching a game in the dark days and asking myself “is this really your team?” The little voice in the back of my head said yes and here I am

by southern oregon on Dec 17, 2009 12:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nicely done

The message comes from the heart.

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 17, 2009 12:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

I bet there’s quite a few of us with similar feelings and memories about our “old days” and our teams. Sports (playing especially, but also rooting) was the central focus of my formative years. Explains alot why I’m a fan now.

by crakarjack on Dec 17, 2009 1:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Really nice post
In the end however, let us remember that journey is far more fulfilling than the brief moment at the pinnacle.

That is so very true.

The greater the obstacles, the more pleasing the victories. But the obstacles are all about the journey.

#52

by jscot on Dec 17, 2009 3:00 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Excellent post

particularly enjoyed the bit about watching the 77 final game at the capitol

by JMoon on Dec 17, 2009 8:36 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

It was a true moment of bi-partisanship

Rs and Ds were high fiving each other other and dancing around like kids. In an environment than leans towards frequent solemnity and pomposity it was a whole lotta fun!

by upper left corner on Dec 17, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

What brand was it?
….obsessively following the Blazers on my portable radio and in the sports pages of the Oregonian.

A friend of mine and I shared some of those same moments on a portable Philco. We felt like we were really growing up being so independent and having our own team. We were getting to be big boys just like Portland—we finally had a real major league sports team!

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by KINGofMACct on Dec 17, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't recall the brand although I can still feel the leather case in my hand.

Another fond memory involving that same radio….

I had a newspaper route in a very steep neighborhood in SW Portland. One Sunday morning I woke to a monster ice storm, I had my bags stuffed with big, thick Sunday papers and was listening to the old 62 KGW as I started delivering papers at the top of a particularly steep hill. Just as “American Pie” came on the radio, my feet slipped out from under me and I fell on my back and the my radio slipped out of my hand. Both my radio and I ended up sliding down the hill for over three blocks. I felt just like a turtle flipped on its shell. Every time I hear American Pie (one of my favorites from the early 70s, I am right back there laughing hysterically as I slid down the hill with no way to stop myself.

by upper left corner on Dec 17, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My friend and I each had our own paper routes as well

Those steep hills can be treacherous.

After school my friend and I were headed down to the paper office to pick up our papers and do our routes. We were headed down the long steep hill that our school was located on. My friend’s uncle happened to be going in the same direction is his most impressive shiny El Camino. We were really sailing along on our bikes as we turned around and looked back to wave at him. Unfortunately, we forgot about a parked car that was just up ahead. My friend hit the car and I hit him. Neither one of us was really injured—maybe briefly knocked out—but we were definitely embarrassed to have that happen in front of his uncle and that cutting edge El Camino.

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by KINGofMACct on Dec 17, 2009 9:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is amazing that most of us servived childhood....

….if our parents had only known the hijinx we were up to. I had at least half a dozen close calls without ever suffering anything worse than a couple of concussions, a few broken noses, and a torn knee ligament.

by upper left corner on Dec 17, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

holy crap

that is scary

" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous

by 92wastheyear on Dec 17, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post

Sentimental without being maudlin. Rectastic.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 17, 2009 9:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I too had my Intro to the Blazers on Radio

Really the whole 2 first decades of the Blazers existence. Great piece I love hearing how something as simple as sports shapes peoples lives.

Rec for you my friend.

    RoadBlazer

by Roadblazer on Dec 17, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic post!

I know this site is about the Blazers, but I love hearing personal stories about contributors. Writers become people when they share from the heart like this. I loved reading this today! Thanks for posting!

I'm going to come up with the best line here ever, something really clever.

by musicdaniel on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good post - I agree that the Kings game was particularly sweet...

As a fellow longtime Bayless supporter/apologist who even tried to argue that last season was promising, I hear you about the Kings game. It was pretty awesome.

Jerryd has scored more points a few times. He’s played more minutes. But never has he dominated a game like that down the stretch. (He’s hardly ever even played down the stretch, but that’s another issue.) There were helpings of Roy/Aldridge mixed in, for sure, but B-Rex had a hand in a majority of the points the Blazers scored in the fourth, and the offense looked great when he brought the ball up (which was about 40% of the time).

Going back to an old controversial post last summer, I would still take Bayless over D.Rose. Bulls fans are correct when they say Rose has accomplished things Jerryd has only dreamed of, but nonetheless, I like Jerryd better going forward. His competitive edge combined with his intelligence combined with his athleticism is absolutely lethal. It’s early, and I don’t expect him to maintain his current level of performance (PER 18.3 right now) throughout this season, but the kid is going to be something special.

I fully expect everyone to disagree, like most people did back then, and like most people did when somebody else raised the same question a couple weeks back. But wait a few years… we shall see.

For now, my recent position has quickly morphed from “Bayless must play” to “Bayless must start.” (It only took one game of 24 minutes.) I don’t expect it to happen anytime soon, but I don’t think this team is competing with the Lakers next season with Andre Miller starting at the point. You have to take a shot at letting Bayless grow into the position, and all these injuries present a perfect opportunity for doing so. What do the Blazers have to lose?

The answer could be a playoff spot. But I don’t see Miller bringing anything to the Blazers starting line up that would likely make that much of a difference in the playoff push. I think Bayless will have growing pains, but he’ll be close to as good as Miller’s been. And if it’s close, in this type of situation, I say you go with the 21-year-old with limitless potential. But maybe that’s just me.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 17, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

My Great Uncle pitched for the . . .

       Oakland Oaks as well. Roy Nelson was a big time pitching
prospect in the St. Louis Cardinals organization before WW II.
His best year, he won 20 + games (1941 ?) for the Spokane Indians,
but his callup to the Cards was interupted by the war. It’s amazing how
many great pitchers had their careers sidetracked by injuries, war or
other circumstances.
        Kudos for being a 30 + year Blazermaniac. My story is very similiar.
Some disruptions in coverage have not diminished our fervor.
        GO BLAZERS !!!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Dec 17, 2009 3:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

My dad was signed in 1948, straight out of High School (after his Albany team finished second in State)

….and sent down to the Texas Leagues. He pitched a short season that summer and then a full season the next summer after staying with the Oaks for spring training. He got to pitch against the Yankees and struck out Mantle and DiMaggio.

He was expected to be called up to the Oaks full-time in 1950, but the war started. He went to OSU, and then the Air Force (stateside).

He was my coach, or assistant coach, during a lot of my years in kid baseball. Even in his late thirties and early forties, he could throw some amazing heat. He didn’t do it often because he was afraid he would hurt somebody, but I can remember begging him to show me the fastball. Must have been in the upper 90s. Scared the crap out of me and I couldn’t even get a bat on the ball. I was a couple of years behind Dale Murphy at Wilson High during the time Jack Dunn had so much success. Lots of good memories.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If you loved the Kings game you must have really loved the Suns game tonight.

I know I did.
And here’s a high 5.

Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."

by Blazer1342 on Dec 18, 2009 6:46 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah!

Not to be obnoxious, but I had a feeling that last night was going to be big. Combine Bayless getting a little more comfortable with Nate giving him a little more trust and the Suns not having anyone to defend him, and I sort of saw it coming.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

B-Rex has looked like a borderline all-star the past two nights

I realize that’s a little over the top, but in limited minutes this season, Bayless’s per minute production is near all-star level. PER over 20. Better than Roy this year (but not close to Roy last year).

The dynasty is back on course. This team can absolutely contend in the next couple years with a nucleus of Bayless/Roy/Nic/LMA/Oden. Bayless should run the point full time this season. He’s ready. He won’t hurt the playoff position. And he’s the key (along with a healthy Oden and a motivated Roy) to making a run at the Lakers next year.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not over the top at all. In fact I would take it a step further....

…..his play over the coarse of the season has been pretty close to borderline All-Star.

People don’t seem to realize how spectacular his stats have been:

2nd in the NBA in TS % among PGs
4th in the NBA in PER among PGs

Among the top twenty PGs in PER, he is the only one getting less than 20 minutes a night. Nate has had a major weapon right under his nose and he hasn’t been willing to use him. Instead he wants to play a 29 year old journeyman with a PER of 9.2 nearly 40 minutes a night. In the words of Chuck Barkley, “Ridiculous.”

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Among the top twenty PGs in PER, he is the only one getting less than 20 minutes a night. Nate has had a major weapon right under his nose and he hasn’t been willing to use him. Instead he wants to play a 29 year old journeyman with a PER of 9.2 nearly 40 minutes a night. In the words of Chuck Barkley, "Ridiculous."

Barkley’s reaction to Bayless not getting minutes before now was a mix of amazement, confusion, and disgust. Perfectly appropriate.

Nate is a loyal guy and I respect that about him, but maybe that’s part of the reason why he might not be the guy to take this team to the next level. His loyalties are established. He repects those loyalties to the detriment of the team.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If I were KP, I would step in to this situation

I would try to be subtle and private, but I would be talking to Nate. If Bayless doesn’t get and keep 25+ minutes (provided he maintains something like his current production), he is eventually going to ask to be traded.

This is where the situation goes from being coaches business to GM business. KP should not allow the team’s relationship to Jerryd to be damaged. He should either talk to Nate or ship out Blake.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Jerryd maintains that level of production

Nate will play him.

The cat’s out of the bag. The only way it goes back in is if Jerryd’s production drops.

If Jerryd is playing like that, who does Roy want on the court with him in the fourth? We all know the answer.

If Jerryd is playing like that, does Nate want to win or lose? We all know the answer.

Nate is beginning to be a believer. That’s two games in a row that Jerryd has played the fourth. You don’t do that, and tell the player, “You go. Stay aggressive,” as Nate did, if you don’t believe in him.

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by jscot on Dec 18, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

By the same token, Nate played Blake 38 minutes last night

He subbed out Webster for Blake 5 minutes into the game. Team went from +5 to -5 in three minutes.

To me, that is simply indefensible, and really makes me worried about what Nate will do when Rudy comes back.

by upper left corner on Dec 18, 2009 1:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was a strange substitution

It was so early, and we were doing well. It made me wonder if Martell was missing assignments or something. I never went back and looked.

#52

by jscot on Dec 19, 2009 5:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I had the same question

about whether Martell was missing assignments. I believe Hill had just scored on Martell right under the hoop on a baseline drive. At +5 that unit was playing well overall and I thought it was odd to pull a guy for one perceived mistake. As it turned out Grant had been eating his spinach and Brandon took the brunt of it. (something I do not think Brandon was happy about)

In the end I would lean toward it being a pre-planned substitution.

#52

by KINGofMACct on Dec 19, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Jerryd continues his present level of production...

He will lead all guards in the NBA in TS%. It’s probably not going to happen. He will come back to earth.

I fully agree that not even Nate would bench Bayless if he’s putting up 29 points on 15 shots and 2 turnovers. But when he comes back to earth a little bit and Blake plays a little better – when he’s still not producing at Jerryd’s level but it’s a little closer – I suspect Nate will revert to his old substitution patterns. Which would be a collosal mistake.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 18, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Nate's hand is being forced by a number of factors:
  • Ownership
    *Management
    *Fan Base
    *Blazers Edge
    *Game Attendance
    *National Perception
    *Player Unrest
    *Local Media Coverage
    *The Need To Keep His Job

The most important factor of course is BE.

#52

by KINGofMACct on Dec 19, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This whole idea is bizarre

Nate played Jerryd 20 minutes against Houston two weeks ago, in a game that went to the wire.

People seem to have this bizarre idea that Nate doesn’t want to play Jerryd no matter how well he plays, and that he has to be forced to play him.

Jerryd’s play is the only thing that is forcing Nate to play him. Nate doesn’t actually need this. He could walk away and get another job for another team that needs to rebuild. If he were being forced to play Jerryd, he would resign.

Nate evaluates players differently than Bedgers or Barkleys. Nate’s evaluation of Jerryd earlier kept him on the bench, and his evaluation has been changing.

If Nate was told to play Jerryd more by management/owner BEFORE the Houston game, then he neglected to tell Dean. The Houston game amply demonstrates that Nate was starting to play Jerryd more before the road trip. There were reports of changes before the Houston game, and though Andre didn’t start, Bayless did play more.

Some Bedgers (not picking on you) seem to think that Nate would rather lose just so he could keep Bayless on the bench and Andre from starting. That’s silly. Jerryd’s consistent performance in limited minutes has convinced Nate that it was time to give him more minutes. The fact that it took longer to convince Nate than to convince a lot of other people doesn’t mean the things that are being suggested about Nate’s motivation have any substance at all.

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by jscot on Dec 19, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions   3 recs

Natsthecat said,
I don’t think it was NATE’S idea.

I don’t think any one individual twisted Nate’s arm either. What I do think is that there are a number of factors, including Jerryd’s upside, that have been, “helping,” Nate along in his decision making processes.

Losing is also a big influence. I agree that Nate’s number one motivating factor is that he wants to win—sometimes I think he wants to win the battles (games) too much and ends up hurting us in the war (the big picture), but I guess that is not the point right now.

Nate being smart enough to allow others to influence him is not a bad thing as far as I am concerned. (With stubbornness being a major criticism that is often hurdled at him, I do not think Nate is the kind of coach who responds well to micromanagement.) From some of what I have seen this year in particular, he does seem to be more open to change. The hope is that Nate is growing along with the team. The other day I was thinking about how different this year has been for him verses all the other years as the Blazers coach—expectations can be a bear.

#52

by KINGofMACct on Dec 19, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well stated - Bayless needed to earn his minutes just like last year

With the team’s worst PER last year (8.2) and with Blake’s 8th best PER last year (14.2) Bayless did not earn the minutes last year. This year he is beginning to do so. But consistency is the single issue that most separates the good players from the mediocre. Bayless is beginning to bring that consistency this year that he lacked last year.

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 19, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jscot, I think you are misrepresenting the situation my friend

You act like there has been nothing at all unusual about Nate’s allocation of minutes to the three PGs. I don’t think that is at all accurate.

Bayless is currently 5th in PER among all NBA PGs. Of the top twenty, there are only two that are not getting at least 20 minutes per night. Sergio in Sac, and Bayless here in Portland. Sergio situation is different, the two PGs he is competing with are also both in the top twenty, so the fact he isn’t getting a ton of minutes isn’t shocking particularly given his defensive limitations.

Portland has a truly bizarre situation were the least productive players is getting 31 min per game. The middle guy is getting 27 minutes and the guy who has been the most productive has been getting 13 minutes per game.

This is not a normal situation. It is no wonder that a lot of the fan base is perplexed, bewildered, and even outraged. Nate has been very, very slow to respond to the play out on the floor. Hopefully that is in the process of changing, but don’t act surprised when other fans express a bit of skepticism and even paranoia.

Who knows what Nate will do when Rudy returns? I agree with you that if Jerryd maintains his current level of production Nate will keep playing him. My fear, and I believe it is shared by others, is that if Bayless’ production drops off even a little, and Blake starts shooting a little better, Nate will send Bayless back to the bench.

by upper left corner on Dec 19, 2009 3:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that it has been unusual

and I also have been perplexed by how long it has taken for Bayless to get minutes.

But neither do I think Nate wants to lose games just so he can keep Jerryd on the bench, as some people (Natsthecat for one) seem to think.

If we’re playing poorly and losing, Nate isn’t going to be thinking about changing things up some? He already did in the Houston game, to good effect. He’s already changed the starting lineup more than once.

Bayless started with five straight DNP-CDs this year. Then, Nate began playing him in limited roles. That wasn’t Nate’s idea to start playing Bayless?

I agree that I don’t understand why Nate has been so slow about giving Jerryd an opportunity. But those opportunities HAVE been increasing throughout the year. So much of the commenting about it is over the top as far as the sheer silliness of the motivations and thought processes that people are attributing to Nate.

I have no problem with saying that someone doesn’t understand what Nate has been thinking. But I can absolutely guarantee this. Nate is NOT playing for the lottery, he’s playing to win. His evaluative process appears to me to be bizarre, but I guarantee he is playing people based on what he thinks will help us win, and any other speculation to the contrary is totally daft, and might as well be labeled as such.

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by jscot on Dec 20, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree that folks tend to get a little carried away, even Yours Truly.

Both in their criticism of Nate and their Steve hate. But while I don’t think the criticism is deserved, it isn’t surprising.

I also think folks get a little carried away in their praise for Bayless, even though I am one of his biggest fans. He isn’t a White Knight who is going to ride up and save the team. He is a scorer who can help the team pretty regularly if he is given the right role.

But, you and I both know he is still basically a rookie in terms of experience, and rookies don’t consistently dominate in this league, no matter how talented they are. Guys have to figure out how to be effective and that takes time. I hope Bayless has the right attitude to having a bad game last night. He needs to stay confident in what he can do, without trying to do too much.

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

would you mind finding for me...

the PER rankings for PG slot of blake and miller?

by Marmaduke on Dec 20, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have ESPN Insider

If you don’t pay, they only show you the Top Twenty. I do have the PER numbers for all three PGs

Bayless 20.6

Miller 14.2

Blake 9.2

These come from BasketballReference.com. I don’t think they include last nights game.

by upper left corner on Dec 20, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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