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I wouldn’t be that quick about that. I have been really impressed with Bayless as of late, he attacks the basket and reminds the rest of the players what happens when you go to the paint.

But I’ve always been skeptic about him but this year his turnovers have completely changed (last year was ridiculous). I hope he stays consistent because we need him bad.

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by brandonmitchell on Dec 15, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He came through at the end, but

let’s not forget he was a big reason for the collapse in the 1st half too. Bayless is a great talent, but he had far from the perfect game people are remembering, the last 2-3 minutes do not make a game. He’s still not close to a starter like Miller, who set us all up for a win in how he started us in both halves. But he should be our 2nd stringer who comes off the bench for solid minutes.

by Coastie07 on Dec 15, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Actually 48 minutes make a game.

And if you’re down 20 points entering the final 2-3 minutes, which is what we would have been if you take out our starts to the 2 halves, then those last minutes don’t mean much.

by Coastie07 on Dec 16, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He has that Tony Parker ability to get to the rim

He’s obviously not Tony Parker, but he is fast, aggressive and fearless. He fouls alot on the perimeter, but I can live with that. At least he’s aggressive and playing with some passion and hunger. About time he got his chance.

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by iDea on Dec 15, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

we already got Tony Parker going to the rim as well as the jumpshot

Ladies and gentlemen, meet Brandon Roy.

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by OhOhOden on Dec 16, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It even took Tony Parker

some time to develop into the player he is today. He didn’t have the jump shot when he came in the league. At least not a consistent and confident one. He was speed and “finish-ability” in the lane. Bayless has most of that now. Bayless will only get better with more in-game experience and minutes. Basketball is a game of confidence, and when you have it you shine. It has far been time to let him develop, and for us as fans to support him through the ups and downs. Not just the ups. We are willing to watch all of our other players develop(see: Outlaw, & Webster), why not Bayless. Let him learn from his mistakes without calling for his head. We have steady studs around him who will help to ease the transition.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 16, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope it lasts longer

than the last Bayless era.

#52

by Royster on Dec 15, 2009 11:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Wow, Bayless is getting way overhyped right now.

I like Bayless and think he’s valuable, especially for the future, but let’s not get carried away here. He had a couple nice drives in crunch time tonight, but you’d think he was perfect if you read the comments here tonight. He made some mistakes in the game, but I guess right now he can do no wrong. He hasn’t shown that he can run a team yet. There’s a big difference from coming in to bring a spark and having to run the show from the start. He hasn’t come close to proving anything yet, other than he deserves more minutes.

by Coastie07 on Dec 15, 2009 11:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

you know why

cause it’s fun…

Here try it on for size. Dude, Bayless is awesome and he can run circles around light particles he is so fast, I wish we had 3 more just like him…

See? Exciting isn’t it…

#52. Get well soon.

by Eat Politicians on Dec 16, 2009 2:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus it was way too long in the waiting

that adds to the “i told you so” factor…

#52. Get well soon.

by Eat Politicians on Dec 16, 2009 2:10 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't seen too many players

that come into the league and light it on fire mistake-free and all. Especially PG’s on a playoff caliber team. Bayless would be shining if he were playing for the likes of say the Kings who would provide him with the playing time needed to develop. Having said that, you have to weigh the positives and the negatives and I agree he isn’t quite where everyone wants him to be, but I like what I am seeing and can believe the hype. Roy said from the get go, after Bayless’ first summer league, that he thinks he would play better alongside a Bayless type player than a true pg like a CP3 or obviously Dre Miller. Roy dominates the ball anyway. Having a confident Bayless who can shoot and attack helps to alleviate the constant pressure on Roy.

Breath easy man. Like I said in a post above, give him time to grow with game experience without calling for his head every time he makes a few mistakes. He will learn. We gave Outlaw and Webster this much time and still some hold hope, yet Bayless plays little to none last year and he gets bashed because he made mistakes? He is an effective offensive player. In my opinion he is he perfect backcourt mate for the likes of a ball dominating Roy. If we can go through the ups and downs with Oden, why not Bayless as well?

by 2dVs4u on Dec 16, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That was his breakout. Now he's off the boat!

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 16, 2009 5:24 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I liked the Rex nickname, I'd probably like Bayless

I don’t think I’ll like him until he gets a better nickname.

by tominhawaii on Dec 16, 2009 6:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bam Bam ?

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by DucRider on Dec 16, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s really the number one reason why I don’t like him.

Same for Rasheed and the shorter "Sheed", just to girly and it rhymes with weed.
Damon didn’t need a nickname, his real name was evil enough.
JR Rider, uh…what were we thinking on that one.

It’s a good thing we moved on from that era.

Cliff Robinson – Now that’s a good name.

And here’s to you, Cliff Robinson
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo, wo, wo)
God bless you please, Cliff Robinson
Heaven holds a place for those who pray
(Hey, hey, hey…hey, hey, hey)

Oden, Roy, Rudy, Lamarcus, Przybilla, Outlaw – all good names.
We should be considering a trade of Patty Mills, that name is weak….peppermint patty could work…need to think about it.

Romance me with that Roy rainbow shot which took flight from way beyond the arc and sailed so high that before it came back down to earth sealing the victory, it kissed the rafters and said "You're mine baby."

by Blazer1342 on Dec 16, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Maybe if Patty flops a lot, we can call him Patty Cake.

“Rex” reminds me of “My Little Gook,” my wife’s best childhood friend’s dad called her that. Just because the father didn’t mean anything racist by it, doesn’t mean it was right.

“Rex” started as an insult and nothing is lamer than when people do those cheesy roars when Bayless did something entertaining.

by tominhawaii on Dec 16, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A lot of nicknames start as little insults. And I find Rex or B-Rex unique and entertaining.

You can also say J-Bay, but that’s so generic.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 16, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

Maybe I should make up one along the same vein.

I’m going to start calling him The Bald Buffie

by tominhawaii on Dec 17, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The starts of Bayless eras

are marked by games against poor defensive teams

#52

by Royster on Dec 16, 2009 7:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and end at the beginning of long stretches against quality teams....

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by OhOhOden on Dec 16, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't ruin everyone's Bayless lovefest.

They seem to have forgotten all about any of his weaknesses.

by Coastie07 on Dec 16, 2009 8:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And you seem to have forgotten

he is still young and will only get better with support and minutes. What is your solution? Give Blake 35-40 minutes to shoot under 30% from 3-pt range in crunch time?

It is time to let him develop in peace. Understand its a professional level and it is not as easy as it may look to the typical sports fan who probably doesn’t even play the sport himself. Superstars that come into the league ready are rare, good players with potential need time and experience to develop. Hater!

by 2dVs4u on Dec 16, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha, your Blake reference couldn't be much further from my opinion.

I can’t stand seeing Blake play. My opinion is having Miller start because he’s worlds more equipped for that responsibility and everything it entails at the PG position and then have Bayless off the bench for solid minutes and energy. I like Bayless, all I’m saying is that a lot of his negatives are being forgotten now and he’s being made out to be an all-star after very little evidence.

by Coastie07 on Dec 16, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I honestly wrote that with a smile

didn’t mean to come of so hostile.

I am all for Miller starting and having Bayless play a significant role off the bench. I did not see anyone saying to start Bayless. I just think that his flaws get beat on more than any player we have had and he hardly plays. His negatives will work themselves out, but only with pt. And support from the fans. I know college is a completely different game, but watching him play at AZ with confidence was an impressive thing. I think he will get there in the league too, but we need to allow him to.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 16, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

I didn’t read a single comment on this post that referred to him as an all-star. His flaws are almost always acknowledged in the “Bayless: Pros & Cons” type discussions. I think the Bayless era starts with significant minutes and replacing a broken blake. The rest is up to him. Eras have to have a beginning.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 16, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Take it easy

I think everyone would like to see Bayless play more, it’s just we’ve been down this road before, so hopping on and saying, “This is it, Bayless has arrived as a dominant force” after one good quarter is a decent bit of hyperbole.

Bayless himself played a better game against New Jersey last year and didn’t proceed to blow people away the rest of the season.

Sergio had a much better game against Denver when he was a rookie, and didn’t proceed to dominate.

Eric Maynor had a better game this year and has been mediocre since.

Javaris Crittenton had a better game as a rookie and disappeared since.

Jordan Farmar had a better game his rookie year and has been pretty average at best since then.

If you go through any player (good or bad) in the league’s game log you can find a couple games as good or better than this past one. Like I said last year, it’s encouraging, but “the Bayless era”, let’s see him do it for a couple weeks before parading that around.

#52

by Royster on Dec 16, 2009 12:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you, this is completely my opinion too.

I like Bayless, want him to get minutes, and think he’ll only get better. I just also know he has a lot to improve on if he’s ever going to be a great starting PG for our team. Basically, we just need more time, evidence, minutes, and improvement before we can say Bayless is close to as good as he has been made out to be on here after very little proof. A win is a good start, now let’s wait and see what happens for a little while now that Blake isn’t starting.

by Coastie07 on Dec 16, 2009 12:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For me the "Bayless Era"

does not entail thrusting him into the starting position now. For me it means it is his turn to get mid to upper 20’s in minutes and even replace Blake off the bench. That’s what I am supporting. I am not the one screaming future all-star. I’m not even the one saying he will light the league on fire. I am merely saying it’s his time to get his well deserved minutes and his time to replace Blake.

I respect what you are saying in regards to these other players, but so you honestly compare their talents to Bayless’? That is a stretch. I’m sure there are probably better examples, but the ones you used are suspect.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 16, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said, pick anyone

Even if you just limit it to lotto picks.

Fred Jones, 2nd year
Ray Felton, rookie year
Rashad McCants, rookie year

Marcus Banks, rookie year
Bassy, rookie year
Randy Foye, rookie year

All these guys were lottery picks for a reason, just like Bayless.

#52

by Royster on Dec 16, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Again.....

Bayless was projected as a top 5 pick until the Thunder selected Westbrook instead. If not for other needs on other teams he would have been drafted higher. Some Mock drafts had Bayless as high as 3.

None of the guys you mentioned had anything remotely close to the hype and potential that Bayless has. Maybe Foye if you are stretching, and that would be a stretch that comes up just short like Milorad Cavic vs. Michael Phelps. Google it.

If you can honestly say that you think Bayless is at that same level I will respect your opinion, but strongly disagree. Fred Jones though? Really? Marcus Banks? Same category? Like I said, I will agree to disagree.

Again, I am not saying he is an all-star in the making or anything like that, I am saying the era where we usher him into a prominent roll on this team is here. Thus my point in agreeing that the Bayless Era needs to begin. So before you start pointing out things that argue a point I wasn’t making, step back, breath, and move on. We need to know what he can do before he starts getting disgruntled and makes plans to leave or force his way out. Keep him happy because his potential is real.

by 2dVs4u on Dec 16, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on, give me a break

If not for the other needs of teams? That’s why 2 more guards were drafted between him and Westbrook? That’s why New York decided that, despite having Chris Duhon as their only PG and Crawford as their only SG, they decided to take a 6’10 Italian swingman over him?

And no serious mock draft had Bayless going 3rd. None.

All of those guys were recent lottery picks. Felton went top 5, Foye went 6th. If there was any kind of league consensus that Bayless was a can’t miss guy, then he wouldn’t have gone 11th, plain and simple. Nearly a 3rd of the league (Chicago and Miami get passes because Rose and Beas were obvious picks) felt okay passing on Jerryd.

I’m not trying to bash the guy, but he just wasn’t the elite, can’t miss guy that you’re making him out to be. He’s a solid prospect, and I think he’ll be good, with a chance to be great in the NBA, but my point remains. Someone thought that about pretty much all of those guys, which is why they were taken highly in the draft. Both DJ Augustin and Joe Alexander were taken ahead of Jerryd, and I don’t think anyone would have any problem putting those guys in the same league with them.

#52

by Royster on Dec 16, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

it’s been more than one game. He played well on the road trip as well, with limited opportunities.

#52

by jscot on Dec 17, 2009 2:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Aside from against NY

not really. 16 points on 12 shots with 4 assists and 4 TO in the other 3 games isn’t exactly the stuff eras are made of.

#52

by Royster on Dec 17, 2009 5:47 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To clarify, I think overall he played better

than he’s been generally over the last year plus, but it’s some baby steps right now.

#52

by Royster on Dec 17, 2009 6:55 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I look at two excellent games out of 5

and three solid performances in between, and think we’re seeing more than baby steps.

NY:
17 minutes, 14 pts, 4-5 FG, 6-7 FT, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover, 2 fouls. By just about any measure, an excellent performance, even the fouls weren’t bad.

IND:
14 minutes, 5 pts, 2-5 FG, 1-2 FT, 2 reb, 2 ast, 1 TO, 1 PF. That would be 12/5/5 per 36, that’s pretty solid.

CLE:
9 minutes, 2 pts, 0-1 FG, 2-2 FT, 2 ast. A virtual DNP, but still 8/8 per 36, and no TOs.

MIL:
19 minutes, 9 pts, 3-6 FG, 2-2 FT, 1-1 3PT, 3 reb, 0 ast, 1 TO, 3 PF. That’s 17/6 per 36, I’d call that a pretty solid performance as well.

Total of the three in-between games:
42 minutes, 16 pts, 5-12 FG, 5-6 FT, 1-1 3PT, 5 reb, 4 ast, 2 TO, 4 PF. (You said 4 TOs in those three games, but he only had 2).

Per 36, that’s 14/4.3/3.4, and 1.7 TO (2/1 AST/TO). That’s hardly dominant, but it’s pretty solid play, especially considering the rotational uncertainty under which he had to work.

Combining NY and SAC:
41 minutes, 28 pts, 7-11 FG, 14-17 FT, 0-1 3PT, 3 reb, 4 ast, 1 ST, 1 BL, 2 TO 5 PF.

Per 36, 24.5/2.6/3.5, and 1.3 TO.

If you tell me that 60% of the time, I’ll get 14/4.3/3.4 per 36, and the other 40% of the time I’ll get 24.5/2.6/3.5, with a 2-1 AST/TO ratio, I’ll say you’ve got a guy who is really playing well.

The last five games have been good stuff from Jerryd, even factoring in the Cleveland game, which to my way of thinking isn’t fair (he wasn’t really given a chance to get into the game). And he scored effectively against Houston as well — 22 minutes, 13 pts, 4-6 FG, 5-6 FT, 0-1 3PT.

In fact, every time he’s had 10 minutes or more, he’s scored effectively and relatively efficiently, he’s never had more than 2 turnovers in a game, and his turnovers per 36 is just under 2 per game — not bad for a young player.

He’s not an all-star or anything, his assist numbers are still low, but this kid is playing good ball this year, and the last six games have showed it. When he gets minutes, lots of good things happen. Whether that would actually carry over if he were starting or getting 36 mpg is hard to say, of course.

But he’s been much better this year than last year, and the last 6 games as he’s had more minutes (except in Cleveland) have really demonstrated that.

#52

by jscot on Dec 17, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, wrong column on the TOs, my bad

but the mitigating factors I’d point to for NYK and Sacto is that those are simply terrible defensive teams, and we got blown out in that Knicks game, with most of his contributions coming in the 4th quarter, where we started down 23, and in the 2nd, when he scored a decent amount but we got outscored by 12 while he was in. Milwaukee was okay on a per 36 basis, but we’d be looking at 6 fouls in that game before he got to the 36 minutes as well.

I don’t think it’s fully accurate to say 60% of the time we get a great game out of Bayless when the sample size includes such discrepancies in the quality of teams.

I’ll leave it at this. Yes, I think he’s played better. Yes, I think he needs to play more. But do I think this is appreciably different yet than the stretch during Blake’s injury last year? No. I thought the talks that he had “arrived” then were premature (just like when Oden “arrived” after scoring 23 against GS last year), and I think they’re premature now.

#52

by Royster on Dec 17, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I certainly wouldn't say 60% great :)

I said 40% excellent. You are right about the quality of the defensive competition, though he scored well against Houston as well.

Last year, I didn’t even know if Jerryd had arrived as a legit NBA player yet, despite the NJ game. It was just one game. This year, I’m confident he’s arrived as a productive regular rotation player.

Only twice all season (Chicago, Indiana) has he played 10 minutes or more, and scored less than 0.5 points per minute. He got 4 in 11 minutes, and 5 in 14, in those games. When he plays, he scores, and gets enough rebounds and assists that you know he is out there doing something besides just shooting the ball.

#52

by jscot on Dec 17, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Bayless

He’s just the ticket for crunch time with Roy eating up the clock. Leave him five seconds to work with and then throw him the FBP and he will instintively throw himself towards the basket to get the two points the hard way. He should always position himself for the bailout pass from Roy.

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