Ford: Blake Could Be On Block; Bayless Hasn't Requested Trade... Yet
Chad Ford of ESPN.com writes...
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Two general managers told me they’ve called the Blazers to inquire about Miller's availability and been told that Miller isn’t available right now. Rather, those two GMs have reason to believe that Portland GM Kevin Pritichard is shopping Blake.
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There is yet another source of internal pressure: Jerryd Bayless, who has become very restless about his lack of minutes and is speaking out. Pritchard likes Bayless’ potential and doesn’t want to give him away. While Bayless hasn’t, according to sources, requested a trade, he will ask out if the situation doesn’t change, and Pritchard wants to avoid that scenario.
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A great breakdown from Ford. Give it a full read.
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Blake instead of Miller?q
That would seem to be an interesting bit of manipulation on KP’s part – with both McMillan and Roy being told “here ya go, make it work”.
Like the poster says on X-Files: I WANT TO BELIEVE
Blake could be the Blazer guard who’s dealt
By Chad Ford
Today (Tuesday, Dec. 15) is the first day of the season last summer’s free agents — more than 70 in all — are eligible to be traded.
In the most recent Weekend Dime my good friend Marc Stein reported that Andre Miller appears to be the player on that list most likely to be changing uniforms soon.
While it does make sense that the Blazers would shop Miller, who has struggled to fit into the Blazers’ tight culture and to find good chemistry with his teammates on the floor, I’ve been hearing another name from the Portland backcourt: Steve Blake. Two general managers told me they’ve called the Blazers to inquire about Miller’s availability and been told that Miller isn’t available right now. Rather, those two GMs have reason to believe that Portland GM Kevin Pritichard is shopping Blake. * * *
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
me too
I think it makes much more sense in both the short and longer term.
1) We’ve got to expand our comfort zone on offense to be more than just “the Portland”. Forcing Nate and Roy’s hand by trading away the perceived security blanket it Blake could speed up that process, even if Miller is only the stopgap PG until we figure out a longer term plan.
2) Assuming the return piece isn’t another PG deserving of PT, it frees up Bayless to take on the backup 1 minutes even after giving the backup 2 minutes back to Rudy in a month.
3) It turns an expiring contract into something – whatever that something is.
4) It appears unlikely that Blake is part of the plans past this year anyway, and given that we are no longer looking to compete deep in the playoffs, you may as well cut bait, hand the keys to Miller, and give Bayless a consistent rotation spot.
Of course the likelihood is that if traded, Blake would be packaged with someone/something else to bring back whoever we bring back. Outlaw and Martell would be the preferable and obvious other pieces of bait, but draft picks, Euros, and maybe Cunningham shouldn’t be ruled out either.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Agree
Given our expectations for this season have shifted lets put what needs to be improved in the crucible:
-Roy’s off ball movement
-Aldridge’s inside offense/defense
-Increasing fast-break opportunities
-Giving some of our promising youngsters some time to develop
-etc, etc
I didn't mean to turn you on
and the other benefit of course
5) is that it terms an asset that is about to be lost into one that can still be used later (delaying the necessity to make a tough decision on other players who we may want to continue to evaluate). i.e. buying time. just like we did (according to some) in signing Miller just so we didn’t lose the space.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Make it so, KP.
This would make so much more sense than trading Miller. Dare we believe?
Miller is the guy with the tools to change Portland’ stagnant, iso-heavy, jumper reliant offense. He can teach our guys how to speed up and teach them the benefits of motion. He can also mentor Bayless, because he understands the penetration game. Blake could never help Bayless because his skills are completely opposite of Bayless’.
I have been pitching this scenario since the pre-season. I will be so happy if Blake is packaged with other assets and we get a quality back-up 4-5.
by upper left corner on Dec 15, 2009 5:15 PM PST up reply actions
You may be right here
I thought it was premature when A) we wanted to make a playoff run this year and B) we weren’t sure Bayless was ready yet. I think we can bury both of those reasons.
I still expect Blake to stay, though. And his poor play this year actually increases the chances of that. He’ll not get a lot of offers for a lot of money, and we’ll resign him as a backup who will be around when Miller is gone and Bayless is starting.
But the injuries this year change the picture, and if we decide to work a trade to try and rescue something from the wreckage of this season, Blake is an obvious candidate right now.
#52
could be just the thing
Maybe we could do that Blake for Haslem/Bass/whomever trade.
Now, the big question is, do we try for a swingman/wing or a big?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 4:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions
I would prefer a back-up 4-5
Although I guess it depends a bit on Freeland and Claver and whether either will be available next year and how ready they may be to contribute.
In general, I think Batum is our long term starter at the 3.
by upper left corner on Dec 15, 2009 5:19 PM PST up reply actions
haven't made it through all the posts
but I was listening to 95.5 today, and Anthony Randolph was widely discussed as potentially available. That would be an interesting 4/5 to add to this mix…
by blacknoiseNW on Dec 15, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions
If we score Randolph for Blake...
It would be the greatest Pritchslap of all.
I think there’s roughly a 0% chance of that happening, though.
Haha... the supposed trade targets for the Warriors (for Randolph) are:
Carlos Boozer, Caron Butler, Tyrus Thomas and David West were all mentioned by league executives as potential trade targets for the Warriors.
Tim Kawakami of the San Jose Mercury News wrote the following Tuesday:
“You know the first call they made was to Toronto, since Don Nelson would love to have Chris Bosh. But I just don’t see the Raptors mailing it in on Bosh quite yet even though he’s a free agent this summer. … One league source pointed me to Memphis and Rudy Gay as a possible match for Randolph (two headaches, swapped for each other?), but again, it’s the same problem: Gay is a restricted FA this summer. … I’ve also heard Miami mentioned as a possible trade partner with the Warriors, but much of that involves the Heat’s potential interest in Andris Biedrins, who is likely a part of any big Warriors’ proposal.”
The Warriors are probably aiming a bit too high, but clearly, Blake wouldn’t even be a blip on their radar.
Damn you for dampening my expectations!
Yes, it does seem realistic and reasonable, maybe too realistic and reasonable…
52 + 88 = 140% better team.
Who cares - it's not like anything we get in return for blake or miller sows up all the loss from this years injuries
I do. This could have a very big impact
If Nate is forced to hand the reigns to Miller, it is likely to have a large impact on the teams style of play.
If we can figure out if Bayless can be our long term PG, that will have an even bigger impact.
by upper left corner on Dec 15, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
I know I'm not the first person here to mention it
so I won’t try to take credit, but wouldn’t a swap of Blake for Bass benefit both teams? Blake gives Orlando a solid backup if Nelson misses extended time again, Blake expires at the end of the year (a big plus for a team as cap-committed as that one), and they unload a guy who they’re not playing and to whom they’ve committed for four years after this one.
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
Isnt Jason Williams
handling the pg spot pretty well so far this year?
I think Blake for Bass might make sense, but not yet
The problem is it leaves us with only three guards and one SF.
But perhaps in a month, if we have a healthy Rudy back, it makes sense.
It makes sense for Orlando if Nelson is still not healthy — rent some PG coverage for a year.
#52
one SF? you mean, if we send one out with Blake?
I think short-term we’re fine (cross fingers and knock wood) with Martell and Dante now.
Nic is on track for a return to the last 30 games of the season. Hopefully Rudy will be back and effective for something similar. Travis is done for the season.
So it would be nice to get back a SF for the short-term, but I think long-term it would be kind of a mess to bring back a 3. Unless of course we’re shipping one out, including our Euro stash.
As Simon Pegg says in Star Trek, “I like this ship! It’s exciting!!”
Dante isn't playing SF for us
He’s been playing PF almost exclusively.
#52
True, but if we had a backup 4
That would probably change. He is, and has mostly played the SF position his whole life.
I'm a fan of more traditional PFs like Blair, Bass -- somebody to pair with LaMarcus and let him do his thing
I’m ready to be done with putting guys like Travis and Dante in the 4 spot. It’s not like they have Lamar Odom-like size or skills at that spot.
Dante played center in college
in the middle of a zone defense, he’s not prepared to check quick SFs on the perimeter
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Right
If the coaches felt Dante was ready to be a 3, I don’t think the heavy duty he’s getting in extended minutes at PF would be keeping him from logging some time at the 3. :)
#52
the Blazers also advised Dante to bulk up this summer following Vegas
they must see him as a 4 and “emergency” 3 against more-physical SFs
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
With all the talk about who we'd like to trade...
…which teams would realistically consider trade for a veteran point guard?
We’re all talking about shipping Blake or Miller, but what is the market like for each of them?
As someone who is baffled sometimes by trades that go down, could this following quote actually be true?
Blake is easier to move and may have more trade value.
his K expires in the summer of LeBron
when the cap has plummeted.
LeBron, Wade, Stoudamire, Joe Johnson, Bosh, Rudy Gay, all up for grabs to teams that can shed payroll.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 4:16 PM PST up reply actions
yes and no
Blake could have more trade value for a team looking for a solid backup on an expiring contract. Or potentially a team like Orlando who has an injured player and needs a stopgap
Miller would have more value for a team looking for a starter for a year or two
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
especially Blake and/or Miller
Miller couldn’t get any teams attention this summer and it was lucky beyond belief to have been inked to a ridiculous deal with Portland. I find it hard to believe Blake even approaches equal value to any team out there. Worse case, let Blake expire out and go with Mills next year.
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Team Bayless, Assemble!
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Bayless, Oh* Yea!
Bayless…..
Bayless….
Oh Yea!
Coming again, to save the Trail Blazin’ day yeah
Bayless! Oh YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Sacroyalty your game is through cause now you have to answer too
Bayless, Oh YEAH!
Freedom is the only way yeah,
Bayless, Oh Yea!
He’ll kick yer butt and dunk basket-balls,
Bayless, Oh Yea!
What you going to do when we come for you now,
it’s the dream that we all share; it’s the hope for tomorrow
Oh Yea!
*blog edit
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
by bow4meow on Dec 15, 2009 5:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Given the recent trade talk about Houston
could we perhaps see a trade of Blake/Webster for Battier
that would be a coup
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
not big on it
given that our window has moved out another year, Battier fitting into it is becoming less certain. Also, it could hinder the development of Batum in the next year or two as well. Not to mention, we would now be down to only 8 healthy players, with a bench rotation of just Bayless, Dante, and Howard. Ouch!
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Good point…didn’t even consider that. Although we do have Patty and Pendergraph coming back in a week or two.
re-reading that offer
we would have to take that deal. getting Shane for Blake and Miller is a steal. You do the deal, don’t sweat the short term depth issue, and figure the rest out later.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
oops, meant Blake and Webster
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
yeah...getting ahead of myself a bit
I’d still be concerned about Battier for the reasons I stated above
given what we would likely have to give up to get him, I’d lean toward passing in the deal for those reasons. but in this hypothetical, it’s too good to pass up on.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
The one thing that tilts in Battier's favor...
is that he’s a really, really smart defender. That bodes well for extending his effectiveness. Also, it would be nice to have a guy like Shane giving tips to all the young guys on our team. He guards Lebron different than he guards Kobe. I think that’s the sort of information that would be good to pass on to guys like Batum.
But yeah, I would be a little hesitant to take him at this point.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 15, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed on all counts
the thing is, Morey is going to want a lot for him, and rightly so. Any 2 of Blake, Outlaw, and Webster – sure, no problem. But start asking for a Rudy or a Batum, then I say pass. I’m pretty dead set against trading Batum at all at this point – given our complete lack of perimeter defenders outside him. Rudy I would actually be willing to part with, but only in a package to bring us back a starting point guard.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I might give up Rudy.
I trust the KP though. It just depends on how effective Bayless is as a 2 guard and the likelihood of Rudy being happy coming off the bench for eternity.
I don’t really know these things, so I best leave them to the professionals.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 15, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
Agree as well
I won’t be overly disappointed to lose Blake/Webster/Rudy/Outlaw and maybe even Miller, although I would really like to see what he can do if Nate does finally turn the team over to him @ PG. Everyone else though I feel is untouchable. I wish I could put Rudy on that list but I just can’t knowing he will be looking for more minutes and most likely more touches next year.
but
Houston has Brooks and Lowrey at PG, I don’t see why the go for Blake
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
Steve makes more sense for them than Miller would
Blake’s a heady player, so Morey and Adelman could have some interest in him. Steve is an outside shooter who (when on) can help stretch a defense. Houston could play Blake alongside either Brooks or Lowry
The thing that concerns me the most about this rumor…if Morey is really interested in trading Battier…what does the Rocket’s GM know about Shane’s health that KP should know? I could see Battier being a “few weeks away” from surgery and Houston dumping him on an unsuspecting Portland
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
true RE: Battier Health
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
Also he has not played that well this year
I think Morey is shopping him on the belief that advanced stats say that he is good, when in fact this year the advanced stats say that he has lost as step. Check his 82games.com production, we know Morey generally uses +/- stats when regarding players abilities, and the Rockets have been better both on offense and defense when Shane sat this year: 82games 09-10 which was definitely not the case last year: 82 games 08-09
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
Pls explain
Not trying to sound negative, but why would we want to do that? Martell is an inconsistent scorer, but Battier is NOT a scorer. Yes, he can play some D, but when Batum comes back, then what value is he?
Miller not being available means 1 of 2 things to me.
1. The Blazers don’t want to trade him, (like the article implies). Or
2. They already made a deal involving him that hasn’t finalized.
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
Agree with thinker....
I just don’t see trading Blake as the solution to the problem.
But it would force Roy and Miller to co-exist.
"That's just how I get down"........ Andre Miller
to elaborate...
nate plays magloire ahead of aldridge in 06- magloire gone
nate plays juan brixon too many minutes- dixon gone
nate plays jarrett jack too many minutes- jack gone
by CleBlazer on Dec 15, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
It always felt like I was watching the game in slow motion when Magloire got the ball.
nice post CleBlazer
Travis Outlaw fan from the beginning.
Assuming they can coexist
I’m not sure I completely disagree with the theory, but it’s also a little scary to me – I’m not sure why Roy is suppose to respond better to having the guy he likes traded away than just benched.
Just waiting on some offense....
by wjb1492 on Dec 15, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for your icon! Rock chalk!!
At some point, Pritchard will get tired of sending signals to Nate this way, and he’ll just fire Nate and hire a real coach!
Could we trade Outlaw even though he is injured?
Both have expiring contracts. they make a combined 7.6 million, which means we could take a player(s) making $9.6 million this year, which would mean a team could potentially get an extra $10 million in cap room this summer by trading for blake and outlaw. it would purely be a move to get more cap room, since blake is awful and outlaw is hurt. if u cant trade injured players, forget everything i just wrote
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
i think the other team would have to waive the physical
that’s usually the protocol with trading injured players.
we can, yes.
it doesn’t happen often, but the fact that his deal is expiring makes it quite possible, and opposed to pretty much completely imposible. If a team moves for Outlaw, it is probably to shed salary and clear cap space, meaning they will waive the physical. If they get a month or two production out of him this spring, that’s a bonus for them – and it’s a tryout for him.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
to be fair, Blake is not awful.
He is a solid role player who generally won’t make stupid mistakes and can historically hit the open spot up 3 pointer. He has value.
The problem with Blake is that he’s a guy who should be playing about 18-20 minutes a game, preferably off the bench, but instead is playing 35 minutes a game, with many of them coming at the 2-guard position.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Blake is not awful
He has just been playing awful this season
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Awful might have been a little strong.
But he is probably the worst starting point guard in the league. He would be a pretty good backup point guard.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
absolutely agreed.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I agree that he's not awful.
He is just being played starters minutes when he should be playing back-up minutes. Nate refuses to play him less, even when he is laying a turd on the court, which is why I want to see him traded.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:04 PM PST up reply actions
not sure if it's even possibly, but even if it was, it is very unlikely
given the scope of his injury, his project timetable.
besides, we are an under-cap team, meaning exceptions by rule do not apply.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Only if he would be declared out for the whole season, and the NBA might not sign up on this (see Grant Hill in the past)
It’s not possible for Oden, who got injured after November 30 (unless he would miss this season and the next one)
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Blake and Outlaw for Hinrich.
We get an upgrade at point guard who actually fits and they get $9 million more in cap room this summer.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
can we please kill the Hinrich talk forever?
swapping one PG for another doesn’t do a thing to solve our logjam at that spot, Hinrich has been terrible this year, and his contract is large (though declining).
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Here here!
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Hinrich is a somewhat larger, substantially more overpriced, Steve Blake.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
A lot better than Blake, especially defensively. There's nothing else out there. We're probably just going to let Blake and Outlaw go anyway.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
then let them go if that's the plan
acquiring an overpaid, apparently washed up, defensive specialist who doesn’t clear up the logjam at PG at all would be worse then letting those two walk.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
He's been terrible on offense, with an injured hand.
His defense is still good and I doubt he regressed that much from last seasons playoffs untill now.
Remember, it’s only like a 15 game sample size.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 15, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Perhaps more interestingly
According to the 82games.com splits, he’s been OK playing at PG and horrible at SG.
I think he’ll come out of it though, too – but then, I’m also an impartial fan.
Just waiting on some offense....
Agreed!
Why do some people think Hinrich is a catch? Not that athletic, not playing well this year….??
Oden for Hinrich
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Since Blake and Outlaw are really helping us a lot this year.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
Hard to blame Travis
it’s kind of hard to play well on a BROKEN FOOT
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
if people think Blake is shooting bad, wait until they see Captain Kirk
33% overall, 28% from downtown. oh, and 4.1 assists to 2.3 turnovers to boot. No thanks!
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
What's the sample size?
14 games while injured?
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 15, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
is Hinrich our future PG?
if not, then what value is there in trotting out a PG rotation of MIller an Hinrich for the next two seasons, seeing Bayless demand a trade, and probably Rudy as well after Nate plays Hinrich 20 minutes a game at the backup 2 guard.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
is Hinrich our future PG?
He’s no long term answer and Portland is too smart to overpay for a stop gap measure
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
especially a stop gap measure that excaserbates an already existing problem.
If you think Nate plays Blake too much at SG, wait until he gets his hands on Hinrich. Bayless will never see the court again, and Rudy will be lucky to get 15mpg. Boom, you cause both of them to demand trades, killing their trade value, and you do it all just so we can have a stopgap point guard rotation of MIller and Hinrich for the next two years?
Why would anyone want that?
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
it's the chocolate chip cookie phenomena
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
I guess that's just the way it goes.
Hinrich plays well and suddenly everyone loves him. Hinrich plays bad and suddenly everyone hates him. He is what he is. He was terrific last season, especially in the playoffs. He’s not a superstar obviously, but still a amazing defender and very good three point shooter.
I doubt his game suddenly fell off a cliff and died. It’s just a slump.
Finding a PG who meshes well with the most important player on the team is important. I’m the biggest Miller fan in the world, have been for a long time, but it really would be better to find a PG who can defend and play off the ball.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 15, 2009 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
FWIW
I’ve always hated him.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
I'm all for Hinrich
If his thumb is healing. Was it his thumb last year, as well, or his wrist?
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Scenarios
Blake/Outlaw to NY for Chandler/Jeffries
Blake to LA for Luke Walton
Blake to Orlando for Bass
Blake/Outlaw to Wizards for Caron Butler
Blake to NJ for Courtney Lee and Najera or Dooling
Blake to Chicago for Tyrus Thomas
Blake to Cleveland for Moon/Jackson
Blake to Toronto for Amir Johnson
Randolph, Turiaf, or Wright from GSW
Blake/Outlaw/ any of our 2nd round guys to NOLA for Okafor
Of course there are many more, these are just a few.
My preference would be to move both Blake and Webster for a 3.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Most of those the other teams wouldn't do.
Blake/Outlaw for Caron Butler? That’s a no-brainer. For the Blazers.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
it's rumored that the Wiz want to move him
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
I would assume they try to move Jamison before Butler
But if either can be had for that, sign me up.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Yeah, jamison would be good
though his K is long, we’d need picks to take it methinks. Besides, it would take something like “Blake, Outlaw, and Webster” to get to his K
Butler and Arenas are feuding apparently.
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by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 5:03 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think "most" is fair
I think those are plausible deals, sprinkle picks as needed.
NY wants to move Jeffries and Chandler is disposable
NJ would get even more cap room
CHI is rumored to want to move TT
Moon is not exactly a prize here
Amir Johnson isn’t getting a whole lot of pt
everyone from GSW is rumored to be on the block
It’s rumored that NOLA is looking to move Okafor again.
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by HurraKane212 on Dec 15, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions
I understand the cap room argument
but teams arent going to just give away good players for our junk.
Get well Greg! Rip City is still behind you!
The fact that a guy is on the block...
doesn’t mean his team will trade him to us for garbage.
For instance, the Warriors are rumored to be looking for all-star caliber guys in exchange for Randolph. I suspect the Wizards would want the same for Butler, unless it’s a trade-deadline deal and they’re blowing up their team.
I like the Blake for Bass option
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
I like most of these.
Dooling-Yes
Bass-Yes
Walton- Not in a million years.
Butler-Yes
Moon/Jackson-No
Johnson-Yes
Randolph-Yes
Turiaf-Yes
Wright-Yes
Okafor-OMG yes
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 15, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions
unfortunately so is mine.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Glad they may be considering clearing the log jam
Don’t care for the implications, if its true this is an end-a-round to preserve Nate from upsetting Brandon. Having to trade Blake to avoid upsetting Brandon seems silly. If so, all these guys need to grow up. Nate and KP need to simply tell Brandon that Steve will play 10 minutes a game. Blake hasn’t stopped being a quality back-up just cause Nate’s overplaying him. For all my irritation with seeing Blake play so much, he deserves better. My guess is the writer is just guessing at motive or transmitting some other GM’s negative assessment.
really?
KP must trade Blake to relieve pressure from Brandon for Nate to play Blake? If KP feels he has to trade Blake because that is the only way we can get to the correct PG rotation, thats a pretty sad reflection on the state of affairs with the head coach, GM and star player.
Totally agree
That to me would be the biggest story out of this (and I think the subtle story that is being told) is how out of lock-step these three are.
With Roy getting a Max, that immediately says that his value is greater than the coaches1, and in order to quietly move around this KP is being sold as the bad guy, while Nate can continue to coach (especially all the other players).
That does seem to show a large amount of confidence in Nate from the management, and the necessity in moving gingerly around the star player, without losing face to the other players.
1-Almost no one trades a star player whereas if things don’t work, coaches get fired all the time.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
i'll be at the game to see it unfold
Well, I do hope that Andre starts and J-Bay gets more minutes tonight, regardless of the Blake trade scenario. I’ll be there to root on the team and see what happens. I hope they play with effort and as a team tonight.
Once again I completely agree
have a good time at the game man.
You're saying that they look like they're giving it their all. And you know why they look that way? Because they're bad, and it literally takes them the maximum physical effort to accomplish basic baseball tasks like throwing the ball from short to first. When David Eckstein throws the ball to first base, he has to wind up like a shot-putter, spin around forty-three times, and launch it at an angle 89 degrees from the horizontal. Afterwards, he undergoes an IV drip for a fortnight and he's so out of breath that he requires several months of acupuncture to regain the power of speech. For this we laud him. -Junior of Deadspin on 'scrappy' players
I also hope Blake comes off the bench and plays really well.
He would be a great back-up PG.
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by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:25 PM PST up reply actions
He can do that
"In order to keep a true perspective of one's importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him."
Sure would be nice to put some package
together for Monte…rumor is nobody on GSW is currently safe. Although not a huge fan of getting yet another PG however I don’t think he is just another PG.
I would rather just play Bayless more minutes and see what we have. Isn't that one of the point of trading Blake? To clear up minutes for Bayless?
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by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:13 PM PST up reply actions
KP has never made a significant in-season trade before and I doubt he will start now...
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me neither. see my comment below.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions
circumstances have changed...
no more chemistry issue now that our roster has changed so dramatically due to the injuries and a new PG. KP should not be afraid for disrupting our chemistry now.
this makes me happy
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Bayless (in a 2 guard lineup)
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
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#4
Can someone give a rational explanation of why blake plays 36 minutes a game?
This would be very exciting news for me...if I thought this would actually happen.
Now that we’ve heard about it I think there’s little chance it happens. Rumors usually stay rumors. Also, this just makes too perfect sense to happen. What else has gone right this season? Our players are either under performing or getting injured. Our coaching staff has thrown players under the bus, not addressed problems very well, and played players very strange rotations. With everyone else laying a turd this season, it seems like KP is next in line to lay a big smelly one, and trading Blake would just seem too good a move to make.
Oden fan for life
Sigh...me neither unfortunately.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
I don't mind if Blake is traded
But I’d like to make sure we understand the underlying cause for the trade.
Sure, some of the reason is simply injuries, need, and outgoing talent level.
But if part of the reason is because he’s simply being played too much without reason, that’s not a reason to trade a player. That’s just a symptom.
If part of the reason is that Brandon is so comfortable with him that he’s requesting him to start (which has become a very questionable rumor) then again, the problem is not Blake. It’s also just a symptom.
I just don’t want to see a repeat of the problems that led to everyone turning on Blake. Nothing is really Blake’s fault right now.
nope its nates
poor coaching ability to use the best of each players and set a decent rotation …etc .etc .etc
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
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Go Chiefs!!!!!
but if trading Blake all but
rectifies the situation than it is a must
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
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Go Chiefs!!!!!
I agree, but Nate has played him stalwartly regardless of how bad he has been, which I'm sure is just peeving KP.
I’ve also heard KP say in interviews that he and Nate get into it sometimes and go at each other, but that each guy knows what lines not to cross. Maybe KP HAS tried to talk to Nate about playing blake too much and he’s not having it from KP.
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by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:31 PM PST up reply actions
There was a report yesterday (wish I could remember where)
that the lineup changes happened after management had a discussion with Nate. Could be unrelated to the lineup, of course.
Probably was. Nate seems pretty set in his ways and unwilling to adapt lately.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 15, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions
Quick said it on the radio. Don't have a link to the exact showdate though.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Trade Blake
Blake has little value to many teams because unfortunatley they have seen the same things we have out of him this season, however Blake has value as an expiring contract to a team looking to save some cash, I say we hold out on doing any imediate trades and wait till the trade deadline for the right trade to come to us
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
agreed Brandon Bass could come cheaper than expected !!
How the hell did that happen? I am Trailblazer fan to the core but I love me some OKC THunder!!! Must be the Hometown pride I feel.
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Go Chiefs!!!!!
Brandon Bass will cost 8 mil after the trade deadline if Orlando does nothing.
Draft Cole Aldrich 2010
And if we got him
Is that his price tag? I don’t remember what he signed for, and i like Bass, but not for 8 mil.
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No, it's his cost if you are a luxury tax payer. Which the Magic are, but we not yet.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Sources? Sources?!? We don't need no...
While Bayless hasn’t, according to sources, requested a trade, he will ask out if the situation doesn’t change, and Pritchard wants to avoid that scenario.
Really? Might that source been the Monday Practice Report here on BE? Sometimes I wonder how much of a sports echo chamber we’re standing in.
Ben, not sure why you consider Ford's piece a good read.
It sounds like typical speculative journalism. He’s basically making up a story out of thin air.
Note that nowhere does Ford specifically say that Pritchard is shopping Blake or even brought his name up in any conversation. Just two unnamed GM’s who said they called about Miller’s availability and where told he wasn’t available. That’s it. Everything else is Ford playing what if games. Picking “facts” to support his theory.
Personally, this is why I am of the opinion that too much of what passes for journalism today is pure garbage. I don’t mean to knock Chad Ford. After all it is his job to put something down every day. When there is no news, one has to make it up. I often think we would be better served if we didn’t have 500,000 sources of information trying to compete for our attention 24/7. The ratio of chaff to grain is something on the order of 10,000 to 1.
hakkaa päälle !
sports trades and stock investing
It is hard not to want to dump whatever player isn’t cutting it.
On the other hand, I know that strategy may be the exact opposite of the correct one.
Consider stock investing. The way you make money is buy low sell high. Look to acquire a player who sometimes is a great player but right now isn’t. That player will be cheap to acquire.
And trade away a player who is sometimes a poor player but right now happens to be playing well. Because that player will fetch you the best price.
Still, that is counterintuitive and most investors do the opposite, buy high and sell low.
And intuitively that’s what you want to do when it comes to sports trades too. For example, dump Blake, he’s not cutting it.
The reason we tend to want to follow a buy high sell low philosophy is that we judge a player’s long-term value based on what he’s doing right now.
And sometimes that may turn out to be right. Will Blake ever get back to playing decent ball? Hard to say. A lot of people felt last year he was playing the best he could possibly play based on his natural talent. If so, then there may not be a lot of upside with him. The best case scenario might be that he just gets back to where he is playing closer to how he played last year.
On the other hand, with Blake’s dismal shooting percentage this year, is any other team even going to want him enough to offer anything in exchange?
My guess is that they let him go when his contract expires, I believe that is end of this season?
Now, back to the buy low sell high thing. Consider Outlaw. Early last season we thought he was a gem, but by the end of the season we thought he was more or less useless.
I think the truth is somewhere in between. The point is, if we had traded him early last year we could have gotten something good for him. But after the end of last season if we had traded him we probably couldn’t have gotten much.
But just think how the fans would have reacted if the Blazers had shopped Outlaw early last season.
“How can you trade away a guy who is playing so well.”
So, I think there is a lot of inertia in trying to apply a buy low sell high philosophy.
Plus, while the best deal is going to be found where you are acquiring someone who is currently at a low ebb in their play, but what the Blazers need is someone who can help them right now.
It really seems like the Blazers need a #3 center. It was frightening the way Sacramento took over the game the minute Przybilla went out.
But maybe Pendergraph can serve that role. The fact is, centers are rare and if you want to acquire a decent center from another team you are going to have to give up a lot, maybe two good players or so.
All in all, I doubt there is much opportunity out there for a trade that will be good for the Blazers. If they happen to bump into one they should go for it. But I think it is fairly unlikely.
But just think how the fans would have reacted if the Blazers had shopped Outlaw early last season.
"How can you trade away a guy who is playing so well."
Not this fan. Once it became clear that Portland was playoff bound I was putting Travis into trade proposals last February, to upgrade the PG position and to add a backup PF banger for the post-season. Ideally, as a GM you want “too much depth” and all of your player doing well, so when there’s a roster need you can deal from a position of strength. KP is on the opposite side of that spectrum, right now. It’s better that he “batten down the hatches” to avoid making a knee-jerk decision and getting “poached”
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Bayless
I think a lot of what the Blazers do is to try to hedge their bets because it is hard to judge how well the younger players are going to turn out.
But at some point I think they need to just bite the bullet. For example, Bayless. He has shown enough potential I think they should just plug him in as someone they intend to rely on in the future.
Most people feel his natural position is shooting guard but Blazers have 2 guys ahead of him at that position. But he is showing that he has enough skills to be a decent point guard. He’ll never be a Chris Paul, but that’s OK.
Part of biting the bullet also means that as the injured players get healthy, and they get back to logjam situations, the are going to have to have the guts to trade away some decent players.
Some people even complain about getting rid of Sergio and Channing, I think those were appropriate, yes Frye is playing pretty well but that is the way things should work in basketball, a player with talent isn’t much use for your team because he doesn’t fit your playing style, so let him go out and play for a team where he can make the best use of his talent.
In hindsight dropping Udoka looks questionable but until we see what Mills can do I think it’s too early to judge.
potential 3-guard rotation
Roy-Bayless-Rudy just might work out, but they’d have to play some zone when Brandon and Rudy are in there, together
then add a 4th guard who can really defend (like a smaller version of Batum) and if that 4th guard can knock down open jumpers, then you’ve got something
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" KP should not be afraid for disrupting our chemistry now."
Another thing about chemistry- the team is facing at least one more full year of disrupted chemistry whether they like it or not. As the injured guys get back in, that will help provide them with more options but integrating those guys back into the rotation will be a chemistry-disruptor.
So the team needs to deal with disrupted chemistry- they face it on an ongoing basis for the forseeable future, trades or no trades.
misc
“if people think Blake is shooting bad, wait until they see Captain Kirk 33% overall, 28% from downtown. oh, and 4.1 assists to 2.3 turnovers to boot. No thanks!”
Under a buy low sell high philosophy, someone in a slump like Hinrich is exactly the sort of player you want to consider acquiring, if you can get him cheap.
Hinrich and Blake are both in a slump but Hinrich’s upside is a lot bigger than Blake’s.
Although, I wouldn’t advocate acquiring a guard because the Blazers already have plenty of decent guards, even if they got rid of Blake.
I firmly believe if a player that is doing well like Bayless doesn’t get decent playing time then he will eventually walk and the team probably won’t get much in return. In other words, it is too rosy to look at logjams as “the kind of problem we’d like to have”
By the way, I have been wondering if Cunningham has any ability to take it to the rim? It’s nice for a 4 to be able to make jumpshots, but to be a well-rounded 4 you should be able to score in the paint as well.
I’m not sure whether we haven’t seen that from Cunningham yet because it is not his strong point or because his assigned role on the team doesn’t include that. Although, I would imagine that if he showed a good inside game on offense in practice they would try to make use of that.
Dante's got hops
but (so far) he’s not shown the ability to be a slasher. Give Monty some time to work on that facet of Cunningham’s game. A pump fake and step through would be deadly for #33
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