Trade Idea
by chrischa on Dec 13, 2009 10:49 AM PST
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Toronto gets: LA, Rudy, Batum, Blake and Outlaw
Portland gets: Bosh, DeRozan
Alright, so as much as it sucks to think about, I don't think its too early to begin to question the pillars of the franchise: Roy, Oden, LA.
As in, are these the right guys to build around? Without a doubt, moving stars is a difficult and sensative thing. Luckily, we only have 1 star right now and I'm not suggesting moving him. KP always said you have to identify 3 stars and surround them with guys willing to run through a brick wall to win.* Well, at this point, I don't think LA will ever has as much motivation (all star game in his hometown, Dallas, TX) or as much opportunity (decimated roster, all the shots he can take as long as they're not taken from Roy) as he has this year and so far, he hasn't exactly seized the moment. I realize this comes off of an outstanding performance in a double OT loss to Milwaukie (ugh) but his averages just don't scream all star and I really don't think opposing coaches like his game as much as they like Roy's so I would be surprised to see them vote him into the game. I realize I'm defining the term "star" by being selected to the all star game which can be a bit ridiculous when you consider that some chinese guy in the d league currently has more votes than Brandon Roy. But the more I see LA play and read NBA writers and experts talk about his leveling off at a sub-all star level, the more I lose faith in his position as a franchise pillar. Unfortuntately, Oden is simply an injury issue. His game is what every championship contender needs, we just don't know if he'll be available. As for our 1 legitimate star, Roy, I love his game, just shocked by his attitude and the leadership issues we're facing this year. Theres not doubt he's a star, in every sense of the word.
*Guys who would run through a brick wall"are players like Reggie Evans, Jeff Foster, Raja Bell, Joel Przybilla, Anderson Varejao...basically the guys you hate on other teams because whenever we play them they are getting that extra offensive rebound, taking that charge, playing solid defense. Why do you think everyone else in the country hates Joel?
So Brandon is our guy, for better or worse, Oden just needs to stay healthy (easier said than done); in this post I've identified LA as the guy who is the most "tradeable." So who do we bring in? Chris Bosh.
Toronto is 10-15 as I write this. Chris Bosh has only 1 year remaining on his contract and has been rumored to want out of Toronto. Looking at their record the past few years indicates why this might be the case, he got his money. Now he wants to win. I don't know how realistic my trade proposal is, espcially since he only has 1 more year under contract. Bosh would love to get on a team with Wade or James (wouldn't everyone?) and who knows, maybe he wants the glamour of the big city (NY, NJ) but its not like he's in a small market now. Portland would need to know that he would extend or sign a long contract with us if he were to come, I certainly don't think you take the risk of getting him for a 1 year loan, but man this guy can be amazing. I've been a big fan of his for sometime think he could bring a lot to the team. Toronto would welcome the expiring contracts of Blake and Outlaw (addition by subtraction for us), They get a decent return in LA despite his flaws, they get to add Rudy to their already multinational team (he needs more minutes than we can give him), and, well I would hate to give up Batum...honestly, he's only in there so the trade would work financially (same thing with Toronto's DeRozan).
So would Toronto go for something like that? Am I crazy to question LA's place on this team considering he just inked a huge deal? Does any of this matter if Bosh doesn't want to come here (you honestly couldn't blame him right now)? And also keep in mind I'm not even going into injuries and available players.
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could only happen in off-season
Even if the Blazers were willing to consider something like this, they couldn’t do it now. As you point out, Bosh would be free to walk at the end of the season, in which case we’d have trade all of our guys for nothing.
The only way something like this works is as a sign-and-trade in the offseason. And that only happens if Bosh wants it to happen.
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yeah, as I pointed out, it wouldn't be worth it for a 1 year rental, there would have to be an extension of some sort worked out first
the post was more for seeing how people would respond to potentially trading away a franchise pillar but people are getting caught up with the logistics of it.
it takes a good player or players to get a good player.
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
neither team does this
nor should they. Toronto gives up their franchise player, and Portland loses all of their depth.
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yeah, it would be a heck of a move
but again, Toronto does this because I don’t think Bosh wants to be there anymore. Obviously there would have to be a sign and trade.
as for depth, I think most GM’s would sacrifice depth for a franchise changing player. depth can be replaced more easily.
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
ugh
Chris Bosh has only 1 year remaining on his contract and has been rumored to want out of Toronto.
Portland would need to know that he would extend or sign a long contract with us if he were to come, I certainly don’t think you take the risk of getting him for a 1 year loan
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
yeah I couldn't make the trade work on the trade checker without those 2 included.
otherwise those guys wouldn’t be included. which I mentioned in my post.
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
Never going to happen. Thank God
I detest monster fantasy trade proposals that could only happen in the fantasy league in someone’s head.
I won’t even go into how much this takes LMA and Batum for granted.
You can trade Blake, Outlaw, and maybe even Rudy, but get your mitts off LMA and Batum.
by upper left corner on Dec 13, 2009 1:54 PM PST reply actions
you should go into how much this takes LMA and batum for granted
it would be interesting then your comment.
I would also be interested to know how much value you think blake and outlaw have right now outside of their expiring contracts…
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
It would be tough to have Oden and Bosh both playing the post
One of them would have to drift out a bit to make room. In this case Bosh.
Frankly if our coaching would ever let them run high/low.. LMA would be perfect for Oden. But alas.. that requires someone to adapt a system to the players and not the other way around.
Just a minor setback for a major comeback.
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Now it's YOUR time.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Dec 13, 2009 2:29 PM PST reply actions
good point
I don’t think Chris Bosh needs to operate in the lowblock all game long to be effective though. He actually has as good an outside game as LA. Thats what makes him so great though, if/when Oden goes down again, Bosh CAN take it down low though. Something LA has so far been hesitant to do. Well, he’s been less effective.
The Blazers as a whole are far more like my wife than like me in the sense of their physicality on defense.
-Dave
I agree..to an extent
Bosh’s game consists mainly of face-up moves from the high elbow area, where he either takes it to the hole or shoots a 15-18 footer. He’s actually less of a back to the basket player than Aldridge, albeit Aldridge tend to start in the same high elbow area as Bosh.
A face-up offense makes much more sense than a back-to-the-basket offense in that area. When LA first came in the league (and every year that he has been in the league), I’ve always said that the first thing he needs to develop is a face-up game since due to his speed and agility, he’d be unstoppable. Alas, he never developed that quick first step and probably never will.
This move only happens if Bosh agrees to an extension along with the trade. However, I’d rather not give up Batum since I think he’ll be a star in this league. We definitely seemed to be giving up too much, but it’s hard to trade Aldridge this season because of his Poison Pill status. But then, I also opposed giving him an extension unless he signed for less than 10 mil per year…
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Makes me sick everytime I hear it
There are only the BIG TWO on this team Roy and LA. Oden is just another parttime member of this team right now and has a long way to go to catch up to them. When he does play it is only 24 minutes per game for what ever reasons and that does not cut it, only going over 30 like 11 times in his limited career. Lets at least have ONE good year before joining the big two. Oh the tade for Bosh, no tyks.
Trade Idea
Unless we can somehow swing trading miller for Gortat or Blake for Bass I say we just do what memphis does every year and utilize our little cap space to facilitate some trades between other teams or to take a 3rd string player off the hands of a team in the luxury tax in order to finagle some extra picks in the draft, on that note we could probably use Trout as well in some cost saving trade since 80% of his contract will probably be covered by Insurance.
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Yes.
I’ve had the same thought over the last few days after watching LMA’s lackluster play (except the last game of course). Most of the responses in this thread have been negative because we Blazer fans have a terrible habit of overvaluing our own players. At some point you have to call a spade a spade. LMA is a soft PF who likes to float on the perimeter, who shys away from contact, who plays average defense at best, and who doesn’t rebound very well (either for lack of skill or desire). He exhibits some of Rasheed Wallace’s worst qualities (floater/jump shooter) without exhibiting some of his best (defense/rebounding).
Bosh is a perennial All Star. He dominates the game. Not the best defender, but who cares when you can consistently put up 25 and 12? He would absolutely make this team better, and yes I would absolutely trade all of our depth for him. Depth is nice, but it doesn’t win championships. And if we have to give up a few extra players to get him, well that’s what the mid-level exception is for.
If Bosh were to be traded at some point, then I think a package like the one you suggest will be close to what it takes to get him. Not many teams in the league can put a better package together. I see a couple potential problems though: First, as mentioned, Bosh is going to test free agency. I think he wants to be the center of attention for a few months and choose where he’ll spend the next five years of his life. I don’t think he’ll give up the chance to see what else is out there in order to sign prematurely with us. What it New York can sign him and LeBron? What if Miami or Chicago antes up? If he came here he would win, but it’s not clear yet that’s what he wants. Second, if we wait until the off-season and try for a sign-and-trade it might be too late because LMA will be a base year compensation player. In fact, it might be difficult to pull off in general because of trade restrictions on extended rookie contracts. It’s a nice thought, but would be very difficult to pull of. If there’s a way, though, I’m sure Tom Penn will find it.
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depth soooo does win championships
and I’d like you to prove that it doesn’t, save for Miami in ‘06. and I would have to picket the Rose Garden if we traded Batum. We don’t want DeRozan either.
while a trade of LMA for Bosh is obviously a good trade
I don’t like including both Rudy and Batum. I would be very happy if the Blazers were to make this trade but some how hang onto Batum. LMA and Rudy for a resigned Bosh this summer? Still need more from the Blazers to make the salaries work I am sure, but that would be a very good trade.
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has there ever been a trade
of 5 players for 2?
Oh, and no, terrible idea. Batum stays, no matter what….
#52. Get well soon.
by Eat Politicians on Dec 14, 2009 1:53 AM PST reply actions
no way
that we give up batum and rudy. if we were to trade Lamarcus, we’d probably want an upgrade in the ‘toughness’ and ‘rebounding’ departments, and Bosh is hardly either of these.
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