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Game 25 Recap: Blazers 101, Bucks 108

Arrgh.  It stinks to have to write about another loss.  But you kind of knew when the game went into overtime, let alone double-overtime, that this would be a hard one for the Blazers to pull out.  Shorthanded and on the tail end of a road swing against a team that's been waiting isn't a good recipe for extra-period success.  Nevertheless the Blazers had their chances but couldn't overcome their mistakes and in the end couldn't pull out the win.

The game started with both teams looking to their big men to provide scoring.  LaMarcus Aldridge tore up the Bucks most of the night.  Andrew Bogut returned the favor.  Both were mobile enough and had enough range to their game that their counterparts couldn't stop them.  Centers and power forwards were the order of the day early and the Blazers were fine with that.  But when the various guards stepped up to the plate Portland got outplayed.  Luke Ridnour did damage in the first half, carrying the torch for Brandon Jennings who didn't attempt a single shot in the opening 24 minutes of the game.  Michael Redd chipped in a little bit.  On the other side Brandon Roy was quiet and Steve Blake and Andre Miller were noisy in all the wrong ways...and in the clanging of loud rims.  Nobody but Martell Webster could hit a three.  By now you know what happens to the Blazer offense when nobody hits threes.  Portland exited the first period down 5 and it looked like it could be a long night.

In the second period Roy went on a run, which in turn developed some shots for Martell and for Jerryd Bayless.  Bayless didn't get many opportunities but he did well with what he had.  Martell was still doing well in the first half, so it actually made a decent lineup.  It's important to realize that many of these shots were coming off of movement and screens, which seems to be a consistent factor when Portland's offense is going well.  The Bucks, meanwhile, suffered from a lack of backcourt scoring.  Also Andrew Bogut sat out half the period.  That was a bad combination for the Bucks.  Portland made an enormous comeback behind their rejuvenated backcourt and turned the 5-point deficit into a 5-point lead at the half.

Apparently Brandon Jennings looked at the stat sheet at the half and realized it is really hard to win Rookie of the Year without attempting any shots whatsoever.  Perhaps he looked at LeBron tape from last night's game as well.  Whatever the cause, he came out in the third quarter firing.  The Blazers had to know it was coming but they're a little shy on point guard defense at the moment.  Once Jennings hit a couple of threes the court opened up for anything Milwaukee liked.  It was like going through a pound box of See's soft-center candies for them.  No matter what they picked, everything was good.  Portland started the period by driving inside but after they were rejected at the rim they apparently decided that three-point shooting was the better part of valor.  They got a couple of close shots but mostly it was Brick City.  Only some well-timed free throws saved the period from total disaster.  (You'll recall that giving up copious amounts of charity tosses is in Milwaukee's M.O.)  The game's wobble increased again as the Bucks outscored the Blazers by 15.  For those counting that means the first quarter one team outscored the other by 5, the second quarter it was by 10, the third quarter was by 15, and the superior team alternated each quarter.

Obviously all of the people who believe in an orderly universe are assuming that Portland outscored the Bucks by 20 in the final period and walked out victorious.  You're half right.  They outscored the Bucks by 10.  Both Roy and Aldridge came alive at the same time to spur the comeback.  They even helped each other out a time or two, which is something you don't see often.  Milwaukee shared the ball but maybe they should have considered going with Jennings, Bogut, or Ridnour alone as the Blazers couldn't seem to stop any of them.  In the process of sharing the ball with each other they also shared it plenty of times with Portland, aiding the comeback's progress.  Andre Miller was the third scorer for the Blazers in the period but he was a mixed blessing.  It's easy to love the 5 points and especially the 4 assists he posted in the period.  It's difficult to forgive two critical turnovers down the stretch when Portland had a chance to score crucial buckets.  They were nearly identical, featuring Miller trying to force the tempo by driving against superior numbers on the break when his teammates weren't with him.  He got stripped both times, once by Redd and once by Jennings.  Both of these occurred in the last two minutes of a then-tight game.  The first one the Blazers got right back.  Not so the second.  But either one could have made the difference and you don't expect that kind of thing from a 14-year veteran point guard.  That's not to pin the loss on Miller...it was a group effort.  But it's indicative that every time the Blazers felt the win in their sails in this game they hit a rock.

The final 38 seconds of regulation featured a medley of nice offensive plays.  Andrew Bogut hit a hook shot to put the Bucks up three then Brandon Roy pulled the defense to him and threaded a sweeeeeet pass to LaMarcus Aldridge for a dunk plus the foul to tie it.  After the big man had their curtain call Brandon Jennings made a teardrop runner in the lane to recapture the lead by 2 followed by Brandon Roy hitting a turn-around with 12 seconds left that was so bad that we would have barbequed anyone but Brandon who took it.  We maybe would have barbequed him too but we'll never know because it went in.  You could almost hear the Bucks' fans (who were quite vocal and sounded amazing all game, by the way) lose their beer and pretzels.  The Bucks almost got a tip-in off of a missed Jennings jumper at the buzzer but it was a nanosecond or two too late.  Overtime.

The overtime started out well.  After Andrew Bogut made a layup followed by a short Roy jumper the Blazers fed a running Aldridge thrice.  It was like three punches to Milwaukee's ribs.  It looked like they could be headed for the exit.  Unfortunately the Blazers never scored again after the third conversion.  Perhaps they relaxed.  Perhaps they were fatigued.  Certainly we began to see signs of the perimeter defense breaking down as the Milwaukee smalls scored repeatedly, often times after a screen left them either free or mismatched.

There was a semi-controversial play near the end of the overtime wherein the officials invoked instant replay review for a second time in the game, the first having been the shot at the end of regulation.  Milwaukee missed a shot and there was a scrum for the rebound.  LaMarcus Aldridge was touching the ball but hadn't fully controlled it yet when two Bucks tried to tip it away from behind.  They succeed and the ball went out of bounds along the baseline.  The officials initially awarded the ball to the Blazers but the video review would show that LaMarcus' hand was the last to touch it (by about the same nanosecond as before) so they reversed their call.  Technically they were correct in their determination.  Full marks there.  But this does highlight that even instant replay isn't foolproof because technical correctness sometimes breaks precedent.  Every other call in the game is made in real-time.  And made in real time that call always goes against the team whose players come from behind to tip.  Had this been any time but the last, critical moments of the game that would have been Portland's ball.  As it was, the call was made differently because it was reviewed.  This begs the question:  is technical correctness really correct or is it consistency?

Anyway, Brandon Jennings made a final shot to end the overtime and we were knotted again.

There's not much to say about the second OT except that the Blazers looked even more tired.  Jumpers fell well short.  Brandon Roy drove expecting to get fouled and threw up the shot as an afterthought.  In overtime games you have to get the shot in and expect the foul to be called as an afterthought.  Needless to say, he came away with neither.  Meanwhile the perimeter defense got even worse as switches on screens became comical.  Jennings, Ridnour, and guard Carlos Delfino scored repeatedly.  Portland did not.  End of game.

The Blazers didn't hit enough jumpers and didn't throw a wide enough defensive net to win in this game and that's pretty much the story.  They're tired.  They're banged up.  They need to go home and hope to recover with a little rest and a friendly crowd.

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Individual Observations 

These are going to be quite brief tonight.

Brandon Roy scored copiously but less than efficiently again, shooting only 8-24 to get his 23 points.  Part of it is him, part of it is that his backcourt mates are playing like doo-doo right now.  He was streaky, pouring on the points when needed and hitting the critical shot.  But the confidence just isn't there.  8 rebounds and 6 assists but also 4 turnovers.

Blake and Miller combined for 5-22 shooting, 8 assists, and 6 turnovers.  That was ouchy.

LaMarcus Aldridge had a whale of a game with 31 points and 11 rebounds.  The Bucks had a hard time handling him.

Poor Joel Przybilla gets used so badly by his backcourt on defense.  He never gets to worry about just his own guy.  Not that being able to worry about Bogut would have allowed him to stop Bogut, but I do feel bad that Joel has to do everyone else's laundry as well as his own.  He managed 10 rebounds and 4 blocks.

Both Martell Webster and Steve Blake seemed to take some advice we offered last night and stepped in for a few shots instead of just bombing.  It worked OK for Steve.  He was 1-7 on his threes but 2-3 on the shorter shots.  Martell hit 3-6 threes, 3-8 of the remainder.  Keep at it.

Jerryd Bayless played 18 minutes and scored 9 points.  His best moment came when he was set up on the left sideline while Roy drove the lane, Brandon pitched him the ball, and Jerryd drained the three.  That's something Blazer guards playing with Roy need to do.  Jerryd nodded like he knew it and Roy high-fived him afterwards.  18 minutes is better than the 8 he got last night.  We're going to talk more about Jerryd's court situation tomorrow so I'll leave it at that.

Final Thoughts

This was a rough stretch.  You have pretty much GOT to get these two upcoming home games now.  Remember though that we're trying to get through December without totally getting ruined.  It may not be pretty but it doesn't have to be.  It just can't be fatal.  And things are seldom fatal in December anyway.

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How 'bout those substitution patterns?

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Dec 13, 2009 12:13 AM PST reply actions  

whereas Blake is fully on board!

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 13, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

The pertinent Blazer guard quotes
In the first quarter, Miller was substituted into the game with 4:32 left. But instead of replacing Martell Webster, like he normally does, Miller was told to substitute for Roy.

Roy appeared incredulous at the substitution and when he reached the bench he slammed his towel to the court and hissed "We are changing our rotation every game!"

Was Dean doing a little freelancing?

Bayless feels like he is not awarded the trust nor the freedom from the coaching staff, which often pulls him after a mistake, no matter how many positive plays he produced prior.

"I know every time I play I’ve helped this team. Every single time,’’ Bayless said before Saturday’s game. "It’s tough. Especially since, and I hate saying this, seeing these other guys (Blake and Miller) doing what they are doing. I know I can help this team. I know I can.’’

No words? This time Rex coldn’t keep silent. KP needs to put his arm around the shoulder of this young man, tomorrow

Roy and Bayless weren’t the only ones to take exception with the substitution patterns. Miller was obviously irked at his removal in the second quarter, which came eight minutes into his shift that included him missing all four of his shots and making an ill-advised lob pass to Roy. With a twisted mouth and a couple head shakes, he plopped on the bench and blankly stared ahead.
Miller continues to go about his business with an attitude that teeters between nonchalance and professionalism. His favorite line is that he is "just going with the flow", even though he acknowledges frustration with the Blazers methodical offense and confusion with why he continues to come off the bench.

"We’re just not getting it done,’’ Miller said of the point guard play. "No excuses.’’

Dre’ pobably thinks he could coach the team better than Dean or Monty. And he might be right.

Blake was a picture of frustration: clenched jaw, short answers, steely stare.

"I personally gotta play better, that’s all I can say,’’ Blake said.

“I will try harder” is what the horse said in Animal Farm. Right before he had the heart attack.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Bayless misquoted

Via twitter this morning, Bayless claims he was misquoted. He wasn’t referring to Blake and Miller, but rather the other young point guards in the league who are getting more playing time. In that context, his statement is much less provocative.

www.ripcitydispatch.com

by Blazer Guy on Dec 13, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Another Quick hatchet job?

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That Bayless quote says it all

I agree completely with that assessment, the organization needs to talk to this guy, even though I agree with Bayless’ view of the minutes, this is the type of thing that fractures a locker room

Always supporting Greg Oden.

by blazeraddict on Dec 13, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Current Bayless anger level : Burnt Sienna

I agree with everything Bayless has said, though. I can’t think of recent games where he didn’t “did some things” and “scrapped out there” And yet, he’s getting jerked around like a piece of chicken in Jamaica.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 13, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions  

where would the world of writing be

without colorful similes and metaphors?

The Blazer’s offense is like an AP story. Just the facts, ma’am

(oops, I did it again…)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 1:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Good one, though.

Someday there should be a thread where we all come up with Dave-esque basketball metaphors, useful in most Blazer situations.

He could read them all and pay 10 cents if he uses a joke, like back in the old show business days.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 13, 2009 1:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought taking Roy out worked actually

Made sense to spread out his minutes with it being the second of a back to back. Not telling #7 though, not cool.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Some clarification from Balyless, via Twitter

JBay4
Never would I question my teamates abilities… I was talking about other young guards helping theiir teams out around the league!!

JBay4
I have way to much respect for them to ever do something like that… And they are way to good.. We will bounce back from tonight.. BELIEVE

by Corvid on Dec 13, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

That makes me feel better

He had played well, but not enough to call out anyone on the team.

M—

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 13, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

This is how I felt after each

NY: What the heck?
Cleveland: Sucks but okay with it.
Milwaukee: STUPID REFS, I don’t know whether to be angry or sad.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope Nate gave Dean set rotations

and was out of phone contact for the last three games, because that is the ONLY reason I will accept for why Bayless sat after playing effectively and an ineffective Blake go nearly 40 mpg. Very frustrating, I don’t see what the coaches are doing here.

Always supporting Greg Oden.

by blazeraddict on Dec 13, 2009 12:40 AM PST reply actions  

You say that Blake took the advice about not just launching threes

Yet he still took 7 from downtown! And made just one! How is that recognizing that the three isn’t working, might I ask?

by jigglyai on Dec 13, 2009 12:41 AM PST reply actions  

To be fair to Blake

That last one in the first OT should have gone in. If it does, we’re probably celebrating a gutsy win.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't agree..that was a bad shot, in or not

Remember the situation: 18 seconds left on the shot clock, about 40 seconds left on game clock, and we are up by two. It’s like running a play-action for a 40 yard pass when up 3 and 1:30 left on the game at second down.

In that situation, you pull it back out and kill some clock. Roy miss at the end of shot clock isn’t exactly the worst thing that can happen in that situation.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 13, 2009 1:34 AM PST up reply actions  

3 point "daggers" can cut both ways

sometimes, they’re used to commit late game hari kari

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I dunno

Blake used to hit that shot practically every time. He’s gone ice cold and stayed that way for a long time. But as a shooter, he’s still got to believe he’s going to make that shot.

Blake is just killing the Blazers right now. But I don’t fault him taking that shot.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.

by hurryup09 on Dec 13, 2009 1:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't agree

that clutch time is the right time to continue to try and shoot yourself out of a major slump

by jigglyai on Dec 13, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions  

But he has saved at least 2 games in the exact situation by draining a last-minute 3 after a bad start

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake is showing how limited a player he really is....

For the most part, players are not giving Blake wide-open 3s. He has to rush the shot more than usual and doesn’t have the shooting chops to do it. Teams have figured out Blake and Blake doesn’t have the skill to do anything about it.

This ain’t a slump, it’s just the way it is.

by tradeblake on Dec 13, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

For all those who still think that

Blake is better than Ridnour, this game is for you. Luke is having the kind of season that Steve could only dream off. Just goes to show that we have the worst PG in the league and sometimes Blake is a lot worse than a lot of teams’ backup PG.
 Pritchard- get your act together and trade the bum right away.

by VinnyB on Dec 13, 2009 12:44 AM PST reply actions  

for who?

if your assessment of blake is correct, and i believe it is for the most part, who would trade for him? his expiring contract is probably too small to get much, and he brings down any package deal he’d be a part of. we may just have to eat this one, put him at the end of the bench, and not re-sign him next year

by gotyourselfastew on Dec 13, 2009 1:41 AM PST up reply actions  

We already have two better PGs sitting on the bench

We don’t need to trade Blake for a PG. We just need to take away Nate’s “Linus Blankie.”

If we can package Blake with other assets maybe we can get a decent 4-5.

by upper left corner on Dec 13, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions  

http://www.nba.com/blazers/news/contactus.html

I can’t stand by and do nothing for any longer. I don’t know if anyone will even see it, but it makes me feel a tiny bit better. I sent this, and I invite all of you to send something similar.

Continuing to give Blake huge minutes when he is clearly playing much worse than Miller or Bayless is the largest failure of a coaching staff we have ever seen.

Please make it stop.

Signed, EVERY BLAZER FAN.

by Mattco26 on Dec 13, 2009 12:45 AM PST reply actions  

At least we have...

Nate back… Then again, he might just start playing blake 47 minutes a game

btw, didnt pritchard say he was going to evaluate the roster after the trip? Trade? Please

by JMLakaShotCaller on Dec 13, 2009 12:50 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Tuesday is the 15th

Let the speculation continue unabated, but perhaps in a trade drawer?

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

How about right here?

My guess is Miller is out, which maybe was the plan all along. Blake stays, due to the witch doctor locked in the basement with matching KP and Nate VooDoo dolls. Bayless continues to sit on the bench and they run, oh I don’t know, Martell at the point just to upset him more.

And that’s it. The cake must be baked until it burns down the house and melts the foundation into the earth. That’s how it’s done. That’s how you do it.

Did I mention I miss Batum :-(

#52. Get well soon.

by Eat Politicians on Dec 13, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Miller is out

I think Miller just needs to do what he does. Learn to play under control.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:12 AM PST up reply actions  

that is my hope

but I kinda doubt it…

#52. Get well soon.

by Eat Politicians on Dec 13, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Someone needs to remind him

He’s a good player, and can be more consistent.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Mostly he can't shoot and the league knows it

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2009 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I was just as frustrated with KP's indecision, last February

but the sidebar is a better place than game recaps for trade proposals…for example, hugetrailblazerfan started a fanpost earlier tonight where everyone can go to pile on, if you’re so inclined

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 1:25 AM PST up reply actions  

that is guaranteed

either that, or Miller will be dealt and absolutely kill Portland for the next few years (like Andre hasn’t had Portland’s number, already?)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM PST up reply actions  

He trains with an MMA guy in the offseason

I wouldnt’t mess with him.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:12 AM PST up reply actions  

yes

I should make that clear, I say some fairly venomous things about Blake.

Blake as a person is great…or seems that way as you can’t know someone truly unless you live with them. Otherwise it’s just media fairy tale fiction anyway…so whatever, but I give him the benefit of the doubt and he always looks like he’s genuine like at the Thanksgiving event for example, seems like he’s a down to earth, decent human being kind of a guy. So yes, minus my cartoon violence for comedic effect I wish no ill will toward the man or his family.

That being said. AAaaaaaarRRRRRFFfffhfdghghghhdsal;sdjfa;jwei already. Okay. Nothing Nada Nothing. I got nothing.

#52. Get well soon.

by Eat Politicians on Dec 13, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure...

A lot of teams want expiring contracts. You usually just think miami or new york in terms of 2010 free agency but even teams like washington are hungry for a piece of 2010

by JMLakaShotCaller on Dec 13, 2009 1:15 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

His isn't that big

Right around the mid-level I think.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Which is actually about the amount Chicago would need

to free up enough space for a max contract. At least, I think it is. Too lazy to check this late in the day.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 13, 2009 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Everyone's hyperexcited about the PG situation, but it was never going to be changed

pm Demoupolis’ watch. Nate has to meet with each of the affected players, however briefly, before demoting or elevating anyone.

ignacio

by ignacio on Dec 13, 2009 1:08 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

Agree 100%

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by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe the view from Nate's bed has been illuminating

Sometimes you just need a change of perspective…

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.

by hurryup09 on Dec 13, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That's exactly what I was thinking the other day...

He’s not micromanaging five thousand scenarios in his head at all times while trying to watch his players play. He can just sit there and take it in.

And if he watches his starting point guard put up 3 turnovers and 1 assist on 1-7 shooting in 43 minutes, and doesn’t begin to have a bit of a change of heart, I don’t know what you can say.

by lyleleander on Dec 13, 2009 7:52 AM PST up reply actions  

We can only hope.

Maybe Nate has spent some time reading BEdge and is realizing that he is coming close to losing the support of the fan base.

I really think this is a critical week if this season is going to be turned around. Nate needs to make changes immediately. Trouble has been brewing on and off the court since the start of camp, and Nate is running out of time to make changes that will restore the confidence of the players and the fans.

by upper left corner on Dec 13, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

he might have been planning to do that right after the practice when he ruptured his achilles. It’s hard to do player interviews when you’re on the way to the Rebound clinic

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 1:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I was proud of the guys' fight tonight

Which is why I’m having trouble dealing with that “instant replay review” near the end of the first overtime. What the hell was that? I didn’t even know that “who touched it last?” plays were reviewable. (I thought it was just last second shots.)

Beyond that, if you ARE going to reverse a call, the initial call should be absolutely, unquestionably wrong. That’s the standard in football, tennis, etc. By contrast, repeated slow motion replays on my high-def t.v. were inconclusive.

What a way for the Blazers to lose a hard fought, desperately-needed road win. It seems this team is truly snakebit right now.

I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.

by hurryup09 on Dec 13, 2009 1:10 AM PST reply actions  

New rule this year

Put in thanks to the replacement refs.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought it was off them

As the Mikes pointed out, LMA had a shooting sleeve on and the ball was touched last by a player NOT wearing one.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Funniest moment of the entire game

Was the Mikes both waving the last shot in regulation off quite aggressively. They were right of course but it was hilarious.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:11 AM PST reply actions  

That's just the way the night went... players driving and dunking on the Blazers


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Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 13, 2009 1:14 AM PST reply actions  

Hey at least Jesuit lost the state title game

Dang University of Jesuit fools lost 50-43 to Sheldon.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM PST reply actions  

LaMarked man

I know that this has been standard Blazer practice for years now ….

But should it still be forbidden for Aldridge to ever get his number called in crunch time? In the home stretch it felt like there were about eighty-six billion Roy isolation plays in a row. Or at least eight. Everybody knew it was coming every single time. The double overtimes made this usual phase of the game seem like it was lasting for about an hour. No motion involved to create secondary options: the old 4 guys stand around and watch Brandon special. Rinse. Repeat.

On an evening where Roy’s shooting percentage had more holes than Wisconsin cheese, and the whistles weren’t exactly blowing every single time, would it have been so wrong to call a few plays for the team’s actual hot hand and current leading scorer for the game? Come on guys, just for giggles! I know on most nights of the week a Roy drive gives you more options when it counts than the LMA fade-away. But on this night of the week, the predictable B-Roy drive-and-complain play so many times in a row was killin’ me. What’s the point of having an “option 1A” if you never, ever use him to relieve some pressure on your main guy now and then. Is there a point where Aldridge should step in and be given some of those shots? Tag-team a bit just to keep things honest?

And it may be that my somewhat frustrated post-loss memory is remembering this as worse than the actual tale of the tape would reveal. This is definitely a bit of a frustration comment more than a researched one.

Grrrrrrr.

-GrowlinJoeWolf

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 13, 2009 1:27 AM PST reply actions  

No...your concern is warranted.

This team tends to abandon the big guys for offense in the 4th quarter even if they have been effective for 3 quarters. I know Roy is pretty good and all, but if it worked for 3 quarters, you’d think they deserve a shot or two.

The late 4th quarter + 2 OT offense had too much “Roy crashes into 3 players and either gets a foul called or looks around incredulously as no foul is called”, interspersed with Miller alley-oops to LA.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 13, 2009 1:45 AM PST up reply actions  

disagree

lamarcus got the ball plenty late in the games on this road trip… and he passed it back out almost every single time. at some point we gotta hold these players a little bit responsible for the decisions they make and stop piling everything on the coaching, and this one is on lamarcus. if he wants it late in games, he’s gotta turn and face the hoop and put up a shot when he gets the ball late in games. if he continues to pass out, then we can’t complain when roy has to force up bad shots cause no one else on the team wants to get involved

by gotyourselfastew on Dec 13, 2009 1:48 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agree!

For years now, we’ve seen LMA refuse to shoot and—in many cases—even look at the hoop in the 4th quarter. Just this week there were several times when he literally couldn’t hand the ball back to some guard fast enough. The man simply does not want to shoot in the 4th quarter (dunk aside… I think he’s happy to dunk and fast break, which is maddening in itself given the guard play).

So, at the end of games, we have a center who shouldn’t shoot (Przy and maybe Oden, when healthy), a power forward who won’t shoot (LMA), and Martell/Roy depending upon situation (do you want Webster shooting?), and either Blake or Miller depending upon situation?

Players we’re missing who would be nice to have in late-game include Rudy and Trout from the old days or Bayless and Batum in the new. But they’re simply not here.

So given your available shooters, what’re you going to do? I think we got it. Blake missed a shot; Miller missed a shot; and Roy took the rest.

I don’t like the Roy drive-and-complain play either. But unless something happens with the rest of the players, it’s literally all we have.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Dec 13, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions  

LMA scored six in a row during the first overtime

Why did they stop trying to beat the Bucks down the floor?

by upper left corner on Dec 13, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

You can apply that question to the better part of this season.

And maybe last season too. Even Dave has been pleading with the Blazers to push the pace. Then again, so has Nate.

It was aggravating to hear the Milwaukee announcers continually talk about how comfortable the Blazers were with a slow-pace, low-possession game. I can’t find anyone in the city of Portland who likes that pace.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Dec 13, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions  

Just to clarify on upper left corner’s point, which is well taken: those points by LMA in the early overtime were largely feeds by Miller on the break, right? Maybe the one really great find by Roy, too?

I’d love to see more of those. The Blazer offense definitely needs it. But my original comment was more about the all-Roy, only-Roy mindset when it’s time to call a set, halfcourt play during critical phases of the game. That’s where it really feels like a predictable grind.

Although I am with you (and hopefully just about everyone) in wanting to see the team take advantage of Aldridge’s ability to run. But he’s also got more talent than just that, which could be used when it counts.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 13, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me be clear about this. I specifically said "big guys", not just Aldridge

It’s not just Aldridge that doesn’t get the ball, but Oden as well. As we saw this year, Oden can be a very effective weapon provided we actually pass the ball into him. Even when Oden was dominating the opposing players early on, we never throw the ball into him in the 4th because it’s “all-Roy iso, all the time.” Oden still has those guys sealed down low, it’s just that our guards (sans Miller and Fernandez) refuses to look for him even more than usual in the 4th.

Also, as I said many times before, you have to put your bigs in a position where they can succeed. LA might had touches this road trip (which I disagree, but we can agree to disagree on that topic), but they are in a terrible spots. In fact, the open jumper from the 20’ tend to be the best look that he gets, especially in the 4th, because our starting guards are absolutely horrid in making entry passes.

Next time, pay attention to where Aldridge posts up and where he actually catches the ball. 9 times out of 10, it will be several feet further away from the basket from where he originally established since 1. Blake/Roy didn’t pass the ball into him late or 2. Blake/Roy makes a poor pass. Our starting backcourt’s inability to make a proper post entry pass is frustrating especially to me, someone that played PG most of his life (albeit poorly) but can still make better entries than those two.

While I call out Aldridge all the time for being soft and not getting deep position, the backcourt does not help, either. You have to feed the balls into your bigs in areas where they can be effective or they are practically useless on offense.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 13, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions  

It has come to a point that I am actually looking forward to Nate McMillan to solve this PG fiasco. Dean Demopoulis’s disastrous substitution tonight totally irritated Roy, Miller and Bayless. See lots of juicy quotes from OLive’s story above.

Quick and Rice both said in the interview that McMillan was on the verge of using Miller to start before this road trip. Rice also said Dean is a very conservative coach (sounds like more conservative than Nate). Combine these things together and we’ve seen ridiculous overuse of Blake, unfair under-use of Bayless and every PG in our team getting pissed off.

Well I hope that’s the explanation anyway. I don’t know what to expect when McMillan is back to the driver seat. Let’s wait and see.

by iverigma2 on Dec 13, 2009 1:41 AM PST reply actions  

Don't get your hopes up too much..

If history is any indicator, (and it usually is) you’ll be sorely disappointed.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 13, 2009 1:46 AM PST up reply actions  

what i don't get is

how is using blake a more conservative approach? he has a higher turnover rate than bayless over the last couple weeks, takes far more 3’s, and plays worse defense (and is less adamant about playing hard on defense). if anything, shouldn’t playing bayless be considered the conservative move at this point?

by gotyourselfastew on Dec 13, 2009 1:51 AM PST up reply actions  

and

i meant this at the coaching staff, not you. i think you are right on

by gotyourselfastew on Dec 13, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions  

how about this?

would dangling bayless or rudy with SBEC and TOEC land us harris?

by CleBlazer on Dec 13, 2009 1:43 AM PST reply actions  

Make it Bayless AND Rudy plus one of those two

you might have a chance. Then again the Nets have a young sg in lee and with questions over Bayless’ true position I don’t think it really works for them myself. Harris seems a little disillusioned with the way they are throwing away this year from what I’ve read. Must be hard for a young all-star to feel that his team is just waiting for someone better to lead the team rather than trusting that they will be good enough.

Chad Ford on Oden, "He's definitely a defensive force... I don't think he'll ever put up the big numbers that Shaq did. But he could be the best big man defender in the league... frankly, having a 7 footer that can do that will produce more rings than a 6-11 small forward who can score 30 ppg. That was the thinking all along why GMs preferred Oden to Durant. KD is the sexier player and as an offensive player there is just no comparison. KD is great. Oden is aspiring to average. But defensively, Oden could be dominant. KD ... not so much."

Could have said it better myself. Thanks Mr. Ford!

by MadBlaze on Dec 13, 2009 2:13 AM PST up reply actions  

New JD is up.

Link. (Doesn’t open in a new window, since we’re moving over there anyway.)

by Timmay! on Dec 13, 2009 1:44 AM PST reply actions  

Time to Reevaluate

Right now this system and rotation are not only upsetting the players but it isn’t winning games. You can take a loss to a top-tier team and you can accept “scrappy” losses where a tired team fights hard but the NBA isn’t about moral victories. With Nate back in a position to make changes they need to take a serious look at this team and figure out how they are going to win games this year. Keeping it close and closing every game with 4 minutes of Brandon Roy vs. The World isn’t enough. Can Roy survive another 60 games of that?

We hear talk about then offense running inside to out but it doesn’t materalize, and tons of talk about stepping it up on defense yet we see the guards getting blown up left and right and the remaining bigs taking fouls or watching people fly past for easy baskets. If Roy wants to be the leader he needs to step up and get everyone involved on both ends of the floor. Maybe it’s time to try some Andre or Bayless iso plays or even one of those pick and roll things that everybody talks about. The kind that involves a pass to the inside instead of a contested jumper.

With the game plan changing due to injuries I think everyone involved has to start trusting a little more. Roy has to trust that LMA can hit shots down the stretch (and LMA has to trust himself to hit them). Everyone has to trust the young guys to play and give them room to contribute in their own way. And the coaches have to trust Andre Miller as a vet and allow him to run this team when he’s on the floor.

I’m no Earnie Kent, but I look at these rotations as a sign that the coaches feel the need to control everything because they don’t trust the guys on the floor to do it the “right way”. Sooner or later that’s going to wear on the players, both the young guys who are being paid too much to be put on a leash and the old guys who were brought in because they wouldn’t need to be leashed. I say this isn’t just about Free Bayless, it’s about freeing the whole team.

by JonathanPDX on Dec 13, 2009 2:47 AM PST reply actions  

The coaches don't trust their players

and I don’t trust the coaches.

Start Miller.

by RenoBlazerFan on Dec 13, 2009 5:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Re: Roy must get others involved

I agree. And then I ask myself: "Self, have you ever—in your life—or at least in the last two years, seen Brandon Roy set a pick for someone else? Anywhere? At any time?

It suddenly occurred to me that Brandon could be DEADLY as the person who’s rolling with a competent PG. But then, he would have to set the pick. Does he know how to set a pick? Has he ever done it?

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Dec 13, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a good thing you aren't Ernie Kent cause

that’d mean you were cheating on your wife and a lame duck coach ;)

by ericande on Dec 13, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Bayless clears up statement to Oregonian via twitter

Here is his tweet:
“Never would I question my teamates abilities… I was talking about other young guards helping theiir teams out around the league!!

While better it still shows his frustration.

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 13, 2009 6:06 AM PST reply actions  

He further adds

“I have way to much respect for them to ever do something like that… And they are way to good.. We will bounce back from tonight.. BELIEVE”

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 13, 2009 6:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Oregon Live reports death of Quick

Apparently his body was found ripped to piece by what looks like dinosaur teeth. Other reporters are apparently fearful for their lives.

by danielfarrell on Dec 13, 2009 6:42 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Wonder if a Blazers PR person whispered in his ear

or if that was his own backpedal. Either way, color me suspicious given the context and timing. Not that I blame Bayless — I’d be moving heaven and earth to put some pressure on the organization right now too if I were him. If tweeting is what it takes, great.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 13, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

I personally couldn't care less...

I think it’s actually great that he cares so much.

If Blake or Miler don’t like it, or their ego is damaged, don’t sign your name on multimillion dollar contracts that pay you to be a professional basketball player.

by lyleleander on Dec 13, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

PG Situation

Part of the frustrating thing about the O-Live read was hearing Bayless complain about lack of freedom and getting pulled for mistakes. Sound familiar?

The reason everyone is so upset about the PG situation is that we’ve had this PG situation for 4 seasons running. The complaints have stayed the same and only the names have changed.

Buck Williams for the hall of fame

by Phizbin on Dec 13, 2009 7:34 AM PST reply actions  

And your solution is?

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2009 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

LMA so soft

i hate the way he plays, i mean come on for the guy that size and speed why don’t try to penetrate more???

by 72chiefs on Dec 13, 2009 8:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Wrong Offense for LMA

This death slow pace of an offense with almost everybody standing around is taking away most of LMAs strengths. If we had more ball movement and a faster tempo, most teams wouldn’t be able to keep up with LMA.

Now it is easy to crowd and bump LMA and his only option is to try a tough shot or throw it back out and start all over again.

Blame the coaches, not LMA.

by tradeblake on Dec 13, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Right

Lamarcus isn’t really a banger power forward, although he needs to continue to work on this part of his game. He’s a quick, athletic, shooting 4. If he gets the ball just a little sooner, you set him up to roll to the basket off the pick, or if the pass is actually good, you see him explode to the hoop quite nicely. See those 6 points in OT.

Nate has actually gone on record several times saying he wants to push the pace more, but for some reason that doesn’t consistently translate to the way we actually play. Sometimes you see it happen, and it’s exciting, which makes it all the more frustrating when we return to a grinding, predictable offense. Perhaps this is something Dre could help us with — getting our offense to flow a little more freely and teaching us to how to run out. That might be wishful thinking, though. We shall see.

by Chadillac5000 on Dec 14, 2009 2:18 AM PST up reply actions  

no playoffs this year

even it’s still early in the season, i personally think the blazers will not be in the playoffs this year….good thing we can get a lottery pick again…LOL

by 72chiefs on Dec 13, 2009 8:02 AM PST reply actions  

This sucks

this season absolutely sucks.

It’s like ‘07-’08 all over again, where going .500 and making the playoffs would be an incredible run…except this year we have no Rudy waiting in the wings. No joy in watching our young players like Roy, LMA and Travis develop. No hope that this year is a building block for something better in ‘10-’11 and beyond. This season has been the absolute antithesis of ‘07-’08 except that we have Greg on the shelf again with a season-ending knee injury, so we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.

What the heck do you root for as a fan at this point? For the Blazers to win 45 games and make the playoffs? Yeah, intellectually I know that the best thing for Roy and Friends’ continued development is to keep playing games in May…but somehow squeaking in as an 8 seed and getting curb-stomped by the Lakers doesn’t quite resonate on an emotional level. And if we somehow make the playoffs and get crushed in the first round (and I’m not expecting that to happen — the former, I mean) it’ll cap yet another season without the wholesale changes to our offensive game-planning, defensive strategic choices, and preferred methods of player utilization that I think this coaching staff desperately needs to implement.

I’ve been posting regularly on this site for years, and ever single time I’ve read one of hurryup09’s posts, a little part of me was nodding in agreement with his handle. This was the season.

And now this is the season, and it kills me.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 13, 2009 8:38 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed,

We are back to the old, “we need to get within eight going into the fourth quarter” sayings again. Like moving back in time two years.

It's Brandon Roy's world and we're only renting space We don’t like him—we’re only on his side so he doesn’t dunk on us in front of our co-workers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses and children.
-Correction It’s B Rex’s world and Brandon’s just keeping it warm until The Coming
by OhOhOden

by SandyTrailBlazer on Dec 13, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

IMO.

Everybody is making mountains out of mole hills. We are going through a injury crisis——so many so quick. —Everybody is pointing fingers, which may be accurate as far as what has been said, but to be fair you can point the same finger at everybody on the team or the whole organization. But, can’t you use the same finger (no pun intended) with every team member and all organization members of every team.—Fact is I think finger pointing had included everybody on this roster except the ones that don’t play.

I can not guarantee that we will be OK. It is way to early to be making predictions about play-offs, the future of this team and organization, because two of our pg are not playing well and the third one is unhappy.

I do believe it will work itself out. --Maybe for no other reason’s then we can’t do anything about it anyway.

hg

by BBK on Dec 13, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

exactly. Sports fans are SO damn fickle. Especially ones on Blazersedge. Come on, you guys are smarter than that.

by Liface on Dec 13, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Think any of them got down from the ledge?

Reason and calmness and patience and trust being rare commodities here, yours comments must be worth far more than others based upon the law of supply and demand.

I concur.

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2009 7:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Wow, this doesn't sound familiar at all:
Bayless feels like he is not awarded the trust nor the freedom from the coaching staff, which often pulls him after a mistake, no matter how many positive plays he produced prior.

Still, I still think 0 assists in 18 minutes from your point guard (although JB played the 2 a lot last night) is a pretty poor showing. Shades of Stevie Franchise or Jamaal Crawford, this kid.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d be playing him 20 minutes a night, but until he suppresses his gunner tendencies, I wouldn’t expect a savior here, folks. There’s a reason why guys like Franchise and Crawford leave unhappy, bickering, losing teams in their wakes, and get traded every couple of years. No one likes playing with a point guard who calls his own number 10 trips in a row, and it’s not a recipe for winning.

Meanwhile, in other-games-I-watched-on-league-pass news, Sergio had 6 assists and 0 tos in 6 minutes in the second quarter and 3 assists and 0 tos in 3 minutes in the third. (His final numbers aren’t great since he got no assists and 4 to’s during garbage time in the fourth – the entire 4th period was gt— SR never does a very good job of padding his numbers during gt I’ve noticed).

Are yall still sure Nate knows how to coach point guards? Can I start lobbing some barbs his way without all yall jumping down my throat?

by howlingfantods on Dec 13, 2009 9:55 AM PST reply actions  

Blake and Miller didnt do any better though

At least Bayless makes his shots, doesn’t turn the ball over recklessly, and tries to play tough defense, what more can you ask from him?

It's Brandon Roy's world and we're only renting space We don’t like him—we’re only on his side so he doesn’t dunk on us in front of our co-workers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses and children.
-Correction It’s B Rex’s world and Brandon’s just keeping it warm until The Coming
by OhOhOden

by SandyTrailBlazer on Dec 13, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Consistency will get him more minutes

He is not feeling the pressure that the other two feel as they compete against each other. But he is clearly getting better and that is encouraging.

I am not ready to say he is a better defender than Blake.

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless wasn't playing PG

When Bayless was in the game, he wasn’t bringing the ball up the court and rarely touched it. Can’t blame him for not getting assists when he’s not playing point.

www.ripcitydispatch.com

by Blazer Guy on Dec 13, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions  

small sample size of eighteen minutes with a team that was bricking shots. He was also playing off the ball.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 13, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh, you want larger sample sizes?

Here’s his two season totals – witness the 18.2% ast percentage through both seasons? (ast % is percentage of teammate shots a player assisted while he was on the court – less than 25-30 is low for a pg).

hey and just for fun, let’s see where JB ranks in ast % for guards under 6’4 who play at least 10 mpg. To keep the list sane, let’s restrict it to players in this decade.

Hmm, where’s Bayless? Oh, page 2, at #151

Oh, and I see I’ve been maligning Stevie Franchise. He’s at 57th. He’s a lot closer to steve nash than to Bayless.

by howlingfantods on Dec 13, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Here’s his two season totals – witness the 18.2% ast percentage through both seasons?

Thanks for the explanation, I know AST%. My point still stands that he is playing off the ball as a shooting guard. We often leave him in the weakside corner…. It’s not really fair to compare him to point guards until he’s utilized as a point guard.

Also, with the way our team is shooting right now, I’d prefer he attack and draw fouls at the rim. He’s passing enough to keep the defense honest and isn’t hurting our offensive flow in the least.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 13, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

M, so yeah he plays a fair number of minutes at the 2

but he still plays at the 1 the majority of the time. Instead of just asserting that you don’t have a problem with it, how about you try to back that up by refuting the point I’m making that ballhog PGs are team chemistry poison?

by howlingfantods on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I've been screaming this for the last couple weeks.
“Brandon Roy drove expecting to get fouled and threw up the shot as an afterthought. In overtime games you have to get the shot in and expect the foul to be called as an afterthought.”
Dont get me wrong, I am pissed that we lost the game, but looking back, maybe we’ll rethink our strategy ending games. All night, every time Roy drove, the Buck’s swarmed him in the lane and he got nothing. Yet at the end of the game, he thought it would work? Dont get me wrong, I know Roy is clutch and has won many a game for us, but it just seems like his whole offensive strategy depends on the refs blowing the whistle for him, which the don’t always do. Then we get a situation like last night. At least when Bayless drives, his primary goal is to make the basket, not draw the foul. I’m glad I’m not the only one who has noticed that.

It's Brandon Roy's world and we're only renting space We don’t like him—we’re only on his side so he doesn’t dunk on us in front of our co-workers, wives, girlfriends, mistresses and children.
-Correction It’s B Rex’s world and Brandon’s just keeping it warm until The Coming
by OhOhOden

by SandyTrailBlazer on Dec 13, 2009 10:05 AM PST reply actions  

In light of recent trade talks, injuries, and stinky play

I’m warming up to the idea some people have thrown out there of trading Miller for Gortat. I don’t know if it’s feasible or not, but if we had Joel and Gortat, instead of having the best backup center in the league, we’d have the TWO best backup centers in the league (and sorry to Juwan Howard, but we NEED another big). Then when Rudy gets back, we could go with a three guard rotation of Rudy, Roy, Bayless (while letting Blake rot on the bench to finish out his contract). Then, since we’re currently lacking small forwards, how about the three guard lineup with those three and Roy at the 3?

Look at the solid youth we would possess going forward:
Rudy (age 24)
Roy (25)
Batum (just about 21)
Aldridge (24)
Bayless (21)
Cunningham (22)
Oden [whenever he plays] (still only 21?)
Then throw in Gortat (25)….I’d say that’s a pretty strong bunch…and yes, I intentionally left off Webster because I mentioned the word “solid” youth, and I don’t think Webster fits into that category.

by adaoh on Dec 13, 2009 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

trading miller

would lead to even more minutes from blake. that is not going to help.

by colinmarsh on Dec 13, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

not another "center only"

Greg and Joel can’t play at the same time, and the team doesn’t need another big man who can only play center. Better to find a 4-5 who can play with Joel and back him up when needed

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Dear Nate

The natives are getting mighty restless. You have already lost a pretty good slice of the fanbase, and an even larger share is teetering on the edge. I would estimate that you have about two weeks to make significant changes or you are going to find mobs with pitchforks and torches gathering outside the Rose Garden.

I realize that you have done a lot for the franchise. You have taken us from lottery hell to the brink of contention. You have taught our young guys to play hard and be good professionals. We thank you.

I also realize that a lot of the criticism you are receiving probably feels unfair. You are not responsible for six players being injured and out for extended periods of time. It sucks.

Having said all this, you need to understand that your margin for error is now razor thin. Expectations were extremely high, that has made the disappointment that much harder for the fans to bear.

Your handling of the PG situation has been a slow motion disaster. You dis’ed Andre Miller from the start. Your determination to start a clearly inferior player was bound to cause stress and strain all around. Blake has been completely unable to handle the pressure. Miller has been inconsistent and disrupted. The whole team has been affected.

Bayless has shown dramatic improvement and started living up to the expectations that many of us have had from the beginning. Your unwillingness to reward his play with more minutes and a larger role has only exacerbated the Blake/Miller situation.

The only way for you to address this situation is to do what you said you would do at the beginning of camp. You need to let the players determine their roles with their play. Miller should be starting and Bayless should be given the bulk of the back-up minutes. Blake can be used in spot situations if his shooting comes around.

I know this is hard for you. You obviously like and identify with Blake. But you need to look at the bigger picture. Miller is the guy who may be able to get this team past the first round if he can learn how to play with the rest of the starters. Bayless is the kid who may be our long term answer at the point. Given all the injuries, we need to place a greater emphasis on developing our young players.

Blake has no place in the team’s long range plans. He isn’t good enough to be the starter and he is the way of the player we need to develop. We can’t afford to resign him next summer and so we should trade him before the deadline. Package him with Trout or other assets for a strong 4-5 backup.

On other subjects, show a little trust in Webster. He is a talented player who is struggling with rust and confidence. Give him consistent minutes and he may develop into a solid, consistent contributor. Give Cunningham as many minutes as y9u can, our team will be better for it in the long run.

I know that trusting young players is difficult particularly when you are feeling the heat, but the fans understand about the injuries, and will show some patience if they feel like you are moving the team in the right direction and developing the right players for the longer term.

With Miller and Bayless playing a larger role, you need to work on increasing the team’s pace. We have a lot of greyhounds, we need to use them. We need more motion on offense. Let’s see Roy and Webster coming off screens. Let’s see Bayless using picks to set up his penetration. Four guys standing around watching an isolation play is not an offense. Keep working on pick and roll defense it is inexcusable to see our 7’0" center on a super quick PG time after time.

If you want our continued support, you need to show some flexibility and you have to be willing to trust some of the young guys. It may cost us a few games in the short run, but it will be better for everyone in the long run.

Good Luck,

Upper Left Corner

by upper left corner on Dec 13, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

i'm with you on the pg situation

but not webster. webster has had his opportunities. he’s just a mediocre player. that said he should be in the starting lineup and playing at least 25 minutes. we don’t have someone better to play.

once batum and rudy are back, webster should ride the pine along-side binky.

by colinmarsh on Dec 13, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Show a little patience

Webster has been inconsistent. Good one night and then bad for a couple. That pattern is typical of a guy coming back from a long injury or struggling with a bit of a confidence problem. Martell has been better for the past couple of games.

My point is two fold:

1) Webster shown some confidence from the coaching staff may develop into a consistent player. I don’t think he is as good or as good of a fit as Nic, but he would be good if he got comfortable coming off the bench.

2) With Nic out, Martell is our best perimeter defender. We need him out there.

by upper left corner on Dec 13, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions  

he showed this same pattern in 2007

and honestly i do not want to see a guy who i consider to be a far superior player, batum, to not get the vast majority of the sf minutes.

so for now i’m good with webster getting some burn i just think he’s a career bench guy.

as for being the best perimeter defender, i would put webster behind players other than batum. i think both rudy and outlaw can guard guys 1 on 1 better than martell. rudy gets vilified for his defense and at times he does gamble too much but when he’s disciplined he’s pretty good. roy has also shown the ability to guard the perimeter but appears to have little to no interest in ever doing so.

i realize this is supposed to be his role with batum out but he just doesn’t have the length not the quickness to pull it off. he and blake both try hard at D but neither is very good at it. defense is not just about desire despite how often that cliche gets tossed around.

by colinmarsh on Dec 13, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Webster's defensive rating of 104 is significantly better than Blake's rating of 107

Martell isn’t Nic, and I agree with you about who should be the starter long term, but lumping Martell in with Steve is pretty insulting and gratuitous in my book.

Martell at least has the size and strength to play the 3. Both Roy and Rudy are pretty over-matched when they play the three.

Rating is from Basketball Reference.

by upper left corner on Dec 13, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

defensive rating is really flimsy, though. I find it hard to base any arguments off of that when we have defensive on/off, etc.

Webster was pretty bad on defense last night.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 13, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless needs to play more

I can’t understand why we won’t play Jerryd Bayless – especially when the offense has been so stagnant. No offense to Steve Blake – he’s a classy person who has hit big shots for us in the past – but he couldn’t buy one last night. With our team decimated with injuries, and the shots not falling, it is time to give Bayless a chance to prove himself. Otherwise, we should trade this otherwise talented basketball player because he deserves the opportunity to shine elsewhere.

by Ryan11 on Dec 13, 2009 12:37 PM PST reply actions  

Fan support needed

The team is struggling. No denying it. There is heat on the team. As fans we are not hiring or firing or trading anyone. We can do two things.

1. We can through flammables onto the coals and watch to see if it burns, consuming others while we feel powerful.

2. We can support the team, the players, the coaches and the management and shore them up for the turnaround.

This is not meant as a criticism of anyone here. We all care about the future of the team and its success. It is my perspective of seeing the positives and enjoying the process.

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 13, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

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