It should come as no surprise that the 3rd string PG is not getting floor time.
There is angst in Blazerland! Free Bayless the masses scream! I enjoyed Ben's great post about Jerryd's improved play and agree that he has earned more minutes. Where does he get them? The obvious answer is he'll get some run at the backup 2 position until Rudy gets healthy, but in the long run we need to learn if Bayless is a PG. I certainly don't want to see any more of Miller and/or Blake playing the "2". Bad idea that is now a proven failure! People are up in arms about coaching decisions and how the PG minutes are distributed, but there is no way that a 3rd string PG is going to get consistent minutes. If Bayless is going to get minutes it's because Blake or Miller have been demoted to the #3 PG. There are certain facts that make this an extremely difficult decision for the coach. Who is the odd man out as the #3 PG?
1). If and when this team is healthy, there should be no available minutes at the 2 for any of our 3 PGs. Roy should play at his natural position as much as possible and Rudy should get the backup minutes. While the team is short-handed, Bayless needs those minutes. How is it possible that Bayless got zero opportunity in the 2nd half of last night's game backing up the 2? Ridiculous!!
2). Blake led this team to 54 wins last year as the starting PG. I think the coaches are more comfortable with Blake on defense than Miller or Bayless currently. Is that like winning the beauty contest at a uni-brow convention? Bottom line is I don't find it surprising that the coach is hesitant to relegate Blake to 3rd string at this point. Many feel like this is Nate's biggest failure. I think there are very few coaches who would be comfortable making Blake a 3rd stringer right now. As a talent, there are likely few GMs looking for a player who can do what Blake does. As an expiring contract he does have some trade value.
3.) Miller was signed for $7M+ a year to be our 3rd stringer? Let's be honest! KP signed him to be our starter and the whole NBA world is shocked that it hasn't played out that way. Is he the ideal complement for Roy? It doesn't appear that he is. Can we or should we demote him to 3rd string? Again, I don't think there are any NBA coaches that would put their big $$ off-season free agent aquisition at the end of the bench. Is this a failure by Nate? Hard to see it that way.
4.) I don't know if Bayless is our PG of the future, but in my opinion the decisions we made this past off-season were made with the intention that he is our PG of the future. Does anybody believe that KP sees Blake or Miller as the long-term solution at PG? There were younger options at PG if KP wasn't looking for a short-term solution while Bayless grew into the starting PG role. If that is the plan, there has to be a plan to help him develop. That plan has to include opportunity this year on the floor as a PG. Doesn't it? If he stays the #3 PG there will not be minutes!
So what is the solution?
We should move Miller to the starting unit and let him know he has until the trade deadline to show that he can mesh with Brandon in that role. He should also be on the floor to finish games.
I would go to Bayless right now and tell him that he's getting all the backup minutes behind Brandon until Rudy is healthy. Try to pair him mostly with Miller and have Miller guard the opposing teams "2" on defense. That would mean that Blake would be my first sub off the bench so that when Roy is ready for a breather, Miller is ready or near ready to come back in. I would also tell him that if he can show the ability to play defense on the oppposing PG at this level, he will be the backup PG after the trading deadline.
Let Blake know that he's the backup PG now and that he better find his shooting touch or he's going to lose that spot. By the trading deadline, make a decision as to which of the veteran PGs blends best with the rest of the team. Move the other guy (there has been a lot of talk of moving Miller, but he didn't generate much interest as a FA last summer and I think there would be a bigger market for the SBEC than for Miller) or be prepared to put one of the vets as your 3rd string guy who won't see the floor unless there is foul trouble or an injury to the guys ahead of him on the depth chart. By the end of the season you'll have seen enough of Jerryd to know what you have and how to plan for the future.
Oh, and by the way, you don't fire the coach over this. All 30 GMs would have taken GO means KP made the only decision he could at that time. All 30 coaches in the league would have been in an impossible situation with 3 PGs who all deserve floor time. I'm sure not everybody agrees with that, but I think it has been an impossible situation for Nate to keep everyone happy. Our veteran PGs have not played to their potential. Some of that may be Nate's fault, but Blake missing wide open 3's isn't Nate's fault. Miller not being a perfect fit for what this team needed is not Nate's fault. He does, however, need to make the right decision on how to move forward. This is what I think he needs to do!
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I agree to some extent.
I just don’t see what Blake has done to warrant the continued and unwavering support of the coach. In his best season, he was a league average or slightly below average PG. Now that he has reverted to his career norm, not starting Miller is a head scratcher of epic proportions! And Bayless has earned more time, be at at the 2 or at PG. Blake should be traded IMO. Miller is far better and Bayless has the potential to be a star. If we jettison him, he will join a long list of former Blazers who go on to have nice careers elsewhere.
All 30 coaches in the league would have been in an impossible situation with 3 PGs who all deserve floor time.
….Blake missing wide open 3’s isn’t Nate’s fault.
Am I missing something here?
#52
Blake has a history of being deserving of what he has
Its only been recently that he’s giving credibility to those who want him gone.
It’s a coach’s job to put players in positions where they have been successful in the past. Blake not hitting shots he’s made at a good rate in the past is not Nate’s fault. Who would have predicted Blake’s shooting slump. Most coaches will let a shooter shoot his way out of a slump. Hard to blame Nate for employing that strategy.
by 52therim on Dec 12, 2009 11:44 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Let me make this plain
All 30 coaches would not know what to do with a (one dimensional) three point shooter who is missing wide open three pointers??? Poor Nate. Maye we could have a meeting of the top coaches to figure this conundrum out. Wait, I’ve got it, give the guy more minutes so he can shoot his way out of it? And to heck with the young lottery pick who is showing some signs of promise. Wow!
#52
Paul Allen has the wrong coach if he like sto stockpile PG's.
The only one he’s made something out of/gave playing time is Steve Blake. I’m not sure he has done anyhthing great with him either. It’s becoming flat out stupid.
Land Rondo.
"He needs to realize that he can't stop every shot, especially from a smaller and offensively potent player. Get your hands up, make him shoot it over you, but let him shoot every once in a while. They score a little but you stay in the game a lot. And when you stay in the game...smashy smashy!" Dave on Greg Oden
I agree to an extent
I agree about playing time and all of that. The only thing I question is how the case is presented to Blake. Blake hasn’t been shooting well. Do you really think that Coach telling him, “Start making your shots” is going to change anything?
“Oh, so I should MAKE my shots? That’s a GREAT idea! Yeah, I’ll do that!”
Players go through shooting slumps sometimes. It’s part of the game. Blake’s not making his shot frequently. So bench him for a while. But don’t make him an ultimatum. I think that’s silly. It doesn’t seem to be a great motivating tool.
I'm going to come up with the best line here ever, something really clever.
I get your point. My concern is that the message he is getting now is that he can play terribly and will still get 30+ minutes every night.
by 52therim on Dec 12, 2009 11:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
That message is irrelevant
He is obviously putting out maximum effort. There is no message you can send that is going to change anything. Either his shot will start falling or it won’t. Either he will make fewer turnovers or he won’t.
There is one thing you know you will always get from Blake, and that is effort. Not all players are like that. Some need external motivation. Blake doesn’t.
#52
Good point! No doubt Blake gives effort.
Doesn’t change what I would do. Make Blake the backup now. Make Bayless the backup PG by the deadline if he is defending adequately. Blake will either earn back the starting role or fall to #3. Watching Jerryd play the “2” doesn’t answer the question we need answered.
by 52therim on Dec 12, 2009 11:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think that's a great point
Watching how Jerryd plays at the 2 tells us very little about what he can do at the 1.
I really like your idea to encourage Jerryd to prove himself defensively in order to secure the #2 PG rotation. But I guess my default at this point would be to put him in that position anyway. If this season is going to be about developing for the long haul and not just trying to immediately win games no matter the long term effect, I say we play Bayless to let him learn how to defend without silly fouls. He so obviously has the physical tools to be a really solid player for this franchise.
I'm going to come up with the best line here ever, something really clever.
by musicdaniel on Dec 12, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
Good points, but something needs to change
Why do the Bulls start Derrick Rose when they have Kirk Hinrich?
Why do the bucks start Brandon Jennings when they have Luke Ridnour?
Are Hinrich and Ridnour bad players? Not at all. It’s just at some point a team needs to reevaluate and look at who the better player is, not just who has been consistent in the past or who has more history with the team. I think the Blazers could definitely benefit from using the simple rule of letting the best player play.
Bayless is still sort of a mystery. Nobody really knows how good he is because we’ve never given him a chance. However, I’d greatly prefer Bayless’ potential over Blake’s mediocrity any day.
Get Well Oden
+1
Kings start Tyreke Evans at PG even though he’s a natural 2 and they’re paying Udrih for 4 more years or something silly like that.
Rockets Trade Skip to My Lou to get more minutes for unproven Aaron Brooks
Spurs weathered Tony Parker’s inconsistency and he eventually won Finals mvp
Enough is Enough!! Sit Blake Down
After watching this final game of the road trip, I am more than ever convinced that the Blazers have a cancer developing in the PG position and with Roy’s inability or unwillingness to move without the ball when Miller is in. It is if we are to play one on one ball in his mind. If he has the ball at times he will do anything to try to shoot, ignoring guys who are open, which has lead to stagnation. I believe some of Miller’s turnovers have been related to so much standing around by Roy, which leads to others doing the same as Miller is trying to create as is his forte.
The minutes of Blake is getting more and more maddening – truly a bad joke. He offers so little other than bringing the ball down court without any creativity and then get out of the way of the man who allows him to have the time he is getting, Roy. Can you imagine Blake getting these minutes if Roy wasn’t Roy? Are you kidding. He got over 30 minutes last night and scored ZERO!!! Tonight, he scored less than 10 I think. You don’t start a player just to bring the ball up court and then hang out to shoot 3’s. That’s rediculous. No other coach would reward those two aspects of a game in a guy who 1) can’t penetrate and create 2) can’t stay with virtually any other starting point guard with quickness and 3) whose defense otherwise is marginal. His assists are not creative assists as Miller’s and most of the even average point guards in the league.
Finally, with a team as tired as it was tonight, why not gain from the energy that Bayless brings. His play in limited minutes where I am sure he feels he can’t make the mistakes the others are allowed, has been excellent. I also think he is grossly being misused much of the time by putting him in the corner to stand around waiting for someone to get him involved, when he is so much more effective playing like Rudy when healthy, in constant motion. What is wrong with these coaches? I don’t see any of the mid-game adjustments made by other coaches.
As I read this posts and responses, it seems that there are many (maybe the majority) who see what I see, and another large number who are drinking the Blazers Cool Aid by just being die hard Blazer fans. It is OK to scream and say enough of this nonsense is enough! Kevin, bale us out and trade Blake and force the issue that Roy will/must learn to play with others who bring vital components to the game of basketball besides his own abilities by himself. Basketball, I thought, was meant to be a team sport, even when you have a star player. Just take a look at the Lakers and Celtics.
The Blazers will rue the day if they don’t give Bayless a chance and ultimately, because of potential discention have to move him, like they did with Jermaine O’Neal, when much of the type of comments being made about Bayless’ lack of playing time was being made of Jermaine at the time. We got virtually nothing of value in return for a budding star. It must be killing Bayless to see equally “undeserving” rookies this year and last get the kind of playing time and experience he equally deserves as them and seeing their games improve and their teams benefit as they grow from such experiences. I fear the same will happen with a frustrated Rudy when he gets healthy again. How in the heck can one justify Rudy getting less minutes than Blake for what he brings to the totality of the game compared with Blake. If all we want from Blake is bring the ball up to save Roy from having to do it, and then camp out for 3’s, Rudy can do that and so much more. While Bayless may not yet have the 3 ball to Blake’s level, I am convinced he could do what Blake does as a point, play far superior defense, penetrate as do other better point guards and just get things going as often happens in the brief stretches he’s in the games. I can’t imagine that KP and Paul Allen must be biting their tongues, especially with Allen’s supposed fettish with having point guards, otherwise I guess I am losing respect for all in the key decision making positions. I hope they don’t release Patty Mills without his having a chance to show his skills, which I suspect may be surprising to most of you arguing to release him so they can sign a big man, probably to sit on the bench. My goodness, as it is, when everyone is exhausted, Cunningham is allowed to sit on the bench when he has shown much potential. What will they do with Pendergraf when he comes off injured reserve or what his status is called? It sounds like he is close.
Please Kevin, don’t make a move for this short term that you will regret. You have said before that some of the best trades are those you haven’t made that you came close to making. The one trade you won’t regret, even if you get nothing in return of value is trading Blake, to allow this team to get out of its doldrums and Bayless to flourish and be what he will become somewhere and for someone. Why not it be us? Also, play everyone we have so that we don’t run Roy and Aldridge into the ground. What would we do if either of them go down because of misuse and who would take that fall?
What I am seeing is beyond disappointing, and I am not talking about the injuries.
You don’t start a player just to bring the ball up court and then hang out to shoot 3’s.
Well I don’t know, it sounds kind of like Steve Kerr and John Paxson’s role with MJ’s Bulls. Or Derek Fisher’s role with the L*kers?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Well News Flash people!
Roy is not Jordan! Roy is not Kobe! Roy needs help and moe playmaking ability from his backcourt mate. I know that Brandon believes that he’s just as good as them but he’s not. He plays zero defense and until he becomes the best defensive SG in the league he won’t be considered even in teh same breath.
I don't disagree with your conclusion
but regardless of Roy’s defensive skill or desire, as long as he plays for Portland he’s going to need shooters to spread the floor and keep the lane reasonably free of defenders. Up until the last few months, Blake filled that role similar to Paxson, Kerr and Fish
Bayless could become Brandon’s long-term running mate, I’ve been saying that since the ‘08 summer league. But Jerryd has to “beat out” Blake, first, and that means earning Roy and Nate’s trust at a time when the team is in contending mode.
Sounds easier than it is
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

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