Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Bucks--Overtime & Post-Game Edition
by Dave on Dec 12, 2009 8:00 PM PST
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PrintDiscuss the extra time and then react to the game here until the recap becomes available. Enjoy!
Note that tonight's recap will come somewhat late. Give your best shot at an official recap until then.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 12, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yup. Stern don't like da blazers
Start Miller.
by RenoBlazerFan on Dec 12, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm never buying LPBB again
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
So wait, that was either a foul
or the Bucks player forced the ball out of bounds by pushing LMA’s hand. WTF
OMG I just jizzed in my France
Scotty I need more power!
OMG I just jizzed in my France
aye
I am Spartacus and I approved this message
by EngineerScotty on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
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by EngineerScotty on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Half our roster is redshirts right now
we need Kirk and Spock to find a way out of this
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions
aren;t you a ray of sunshine?
lol
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions
Roy elbow jumper for the win
is my prediction…..
by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Our PGs dont play D?
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by EngineerScotty on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone know the replay rules?
Can the refs look at anytime or is the minute of a game?
by Oggbog on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
unless CSN isn't showing an angle that was a bad call
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions
That replay call was BS
OMG I just jizzed in my France
No way there was enough to overturn that call
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Call on the court was Blazers ball.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
If it went out of bounds off the stretched out arms of Mbah or LMA. Mbah touched it first clearly, but might have touched LMA last.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
They missed a shot, three players went up for the rebound
Two were Bucks, one was LMA. LMA hand his hands on the ball as the Bucks players crashed into LMA sending the ball out of bounds. It was a can of corn call, that some ref with 5k on the game could not allow to happen.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
Not necessarily... It would have been foul ball, and assuming the Blazers can hit 2-for-2 is highly dubious.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Good Game
battle of the .500 teams tonight
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
The baseline camera angle was so obviously off Mboute.
It wasn’t even close. They were reviewing it with the wrong angle. NBA is such a incompetent league.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Mboute was trying to knock it out
LMA went up with two hands to grab it.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Yeah...He touched it last, which was pretty obvious
since the angle of the ball changed.
52 + 88 = 140% better team.
I am sure it will be Blake again. Horrible.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Blazers had this. Up 6 late. Bucks looked defeated
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
We got the legs for Double OT?
Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody
We need Br ex in now.. High energy
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
If you have signed up for NBA stuff listen to the game here:
www.nba.com/broadband/alp_schedule.html
At least that link’s legal, even if it’s just audio.
πεντήκοντα δύο
by T Darkstar on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Blake passing up LMA under the basket to miss a corner three killed us.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
A jumper instead of going inside is the story of the season
or the last few seasons
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions
Bogut foul on the box off the ball, turnover
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Also
how do the players leave Joel stranded on Jennings by himself? We got lucky there, even if the refs did give the ball back…
RUDY > MJ
#52
heh my pizza showed up at the end of REG
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
I need to make an Arby's run
5-4-5 is on
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Alridge foul on Bogut, Bogut hits first free throw
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Mbah A Moute fouls out. Good for Roy.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Absolutely.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Does Bogut have 5???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Freethrows are nerve racking
Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody
is it an NBA rule that you can't change lineup in OT?
free Bayless!!!
3 in the key on the Bucks.
Blazers ball
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Roy chokes game away.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
He expects them to foul out Bogut in that situation, I guess.....
Roy has played in the NBA previously, has he not???
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Roy stripped, Ridnour scores
Bucks up 5
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Roy falls to the floor, yells, no call, Ridnour finishes fast break.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Did anyone else here a wrist slap?
Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody
and not the good kind with cinnamon and sugar or with strawberry jam.
but the burned kind that isn’t edible…..
by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions
104 - 99 Bucks. Roy is pissed, Monty holds him back.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Oddly enough I have LPBB too, but I can switch to the international version
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Doubt it works for you
https://shop.ilp.nba.com/video/Channels.aspx?id=3936
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I think there was a wrist slap on his way through, he lost the ball cleanly but after the slap.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
How can you lose the ball cleanly? He was hit across the arms which caused his arms to go back.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
That was a foul on Bogut, clearly they don't want him out of the game.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
Correct. They are not gonna foul him out in this situation on a chicken call.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Bucks are just exploiting the Blazers poor pick and roll defense with 2 PGs.
Blazers going Roy on 5.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Nate says:
We only switch in “emergencies”.
Apparently when a pick is set, its an emergency…
RUDY > MJ
#52
Good game plan against a team that switches every time
Unless they have a dominant post player, I don’t know why every team doesn’t do that every play against them.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
Last 3 Blazers possessions: 2 blown calls
GAME
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Brandon Roy learns nothing from his previous error.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Is Brandon a rookie again?
OMG I just jizzed in my France
it might be better for your sanity that you can't see it.
by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions
I'm sure of that.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Blake OPEN 3, dribbles in, passes.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
was thinking the exact same thing.
he must have 0 confidence right now.
by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions
i think the opposite.
he’s passing up shots that he should take = overthinking
by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions
Bogut fouls out, Roy goes to the line.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Bogut fouls out, Roy to the line
Sounded like Bogut hit on the ball and arm
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Bogut should have been out 2 minutes ago
OMG I just jizzed in my France
Blak can't keep up.
Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody
Blazers need to write a letter to Stern like the lakers did for kobe
In regard to all the fouls not being called
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
Jennings exploits the pick and roll and scores
Bucks up 5 with 42 seconds.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Blazers had Pryz chasing him from behind and LMA standing in the key watching the layup in front of his face, flatfooted, arms down.
HORRIBLE failure of team defense.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You are clearly not cut out for membership on Nate McMillan's staff...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
We want to have the 3 point threats in there, like Steve Blake and Andre Miller.
Good to have Pryz in there when you need 3s also.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
The one time all fricking season when you NEED to pull the goalie and play small ball and Dean D is too dumb to do it...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Jennings blows by Joel for the layup 106 - 101
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
How many did we have last year at this time
OMG I just jizzed in my France
i wonder if Bayless will do like Cuban baseball players
and just defect on a road trip at some point.
by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Ha ha, I'm nicking that!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
hahaha
cool. just be sure to cite me ;)
by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless on Jennings would have been smart.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions
i might skip out on blazers games after watching this game.
our play is inbound to miller for 3 pointer? really?
blake 40 mins while bayless gets no run?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
That missed wide open 3 by Blake was a killer.
He had LMA open down low too.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Miller and Blake missing 3s, Bucks ball. This is over.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Arby's run
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Clank clank clank, and not that aint the dinner bell
OMG I just jizzed in my France
The Director gets his own scene
OMG I just jizzed in my France
Don't pass to him at the three point line.
Give it to ROy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 12, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions
obvious? miller for 3 is obvious call for u?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
that's not what I'm talking about
the way teams exploit our coaches by their calls (both ends). It’s not normal to get beat the same way over and over again when you have players to change things up.
heh! i wuv him like a fave uncle
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Not to mention a 3 pointer miss with 18 seconds left on the shotclock, 40 seconds on the game clock, and up 2 points..
Thanks, beautiful.
52 + 88 = 140% better team.
Blake 1-7 from 3, 3-10 overall, 3 turnovers...
Bayless 1-1 from 3, 3-6 overall, 1 turnover…
RUDY > MJ
#52
The bennies of having two teams to root for
one wins in ot and one doesn’t. noice
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
Well... So far I haven't blamed a loss on the refs this season...
I guess this as a good a time as any….
RUDY > MJ
#52
Nope
The refs absolutely blew that call on the jennings missed rebound. Inexcusable.
Plus, we already know Blake sucks, like beating a dead horse….
RUDY > MJ
#52
kudos to LMA for his strong second half tho
and most of the team showed some fight. sadly its time i accepted the fact this team is nowhere near as talented as i thought
Blazer Fan
Wrong.
There is SO MUCH FREAKING TALENT. The coaching staff is collectively an idiot. See Blake’s minutes and Bayless’ minutes.
Why would they even review that play?
OMG I just jizzed in my France
blazers this year are anti-blazers. start out stronger and can't finish a game to save their lives. they thrive on antichemistry and play people based on "status" not on merit or skill or hard work.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Awful coaching. What's new?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
All you LPBB people gonna be mad at the replay fail by the refs
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
That ball was clearly last touched by LMA
Quit crying M&M
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions
That is not the point
the point is that the Buck’s players caused that to happen, and in the NBA that call goes to the player with position.
OMG I just jizzed in my France
Replaying it in my head (because of the countless times they did)
The ball changes directions because of LMA.
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions
They seem to think that would have iced it. IT WOULD NOT HAVE.
Assuming the Blazers actually could have inbounded the ball (not a certainty, we know!) there would have been a fast foul and the Blazers would have had to hit 1/2 to ice it. Which they most probably would not have done.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
HAD TO HIT 2/2 TO ICE IT, sorry.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Bottomline:
If that call isn’t overturned, we’re celebrating Blazer victory
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Steve Blake was on the court.
There is no telling what happens after the free throws.
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions
Well, that was a really bad loss, just like last night's really bad loss.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Not mad at the Blazers
More at the coaching staff and refs. The players played their guts out. That’s all I can ask for.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
agreed.
Worried about Roy, flat out done with our coaching staff. Didn’t see the call, so not mad at the refs (yet). Not mad at the team.
#52
Mbah a Moute hit the ball out of LMA’s hands. Inconclusive at worst, Blazer ball at best,
get well soon, big guy.
#52
Yesterday on Suns - Magic they called a jump ball on something like that
Rule interpretation at least inconsistent.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
And that was super weird then too
Plus the weird 1.6 seconds left when it was a jump ball at 2.5, and out of bounds at .7…
#52
Ya, it probably should have been blazer...
But a jump ball would have been understandable. Rewarding it to the bucks boggles my mind…..
RUDY > MJ
#52
I would think
That our staff is right where its head has proven it can thrive in, with a short handed under-talented team like we had in years past.
The problem is the players and Blake getting such big minutes… which is the coach’s fault. But ultimately, this is our stars regressing for whatever reason and horrible injury problems.
Being a team not expected to win and being the underdogs is right in our coach’s proven wheelhouse. I don’t see them in over their head.
#52
Our pick and roll defense is still among the worse in the league, and the PG situation is a joke.
Nate and Dean must go. The sooner the better.
#52
I think those are two silly reasons to fire someone and the reasons for our struggles are much much simpler
Roy not playing efficiently or well, and not making good decisions is the first problem.
LMA being inconsistent is another (though was good tonight).
Blake offering NOTHING is another (which you can pin on the coaches for playing him so much).
Dre is inconsistent and prone to baaaaaad turnovers still.
Oden, Rudy, Batum, and Trout are out.
Pick and roll defense is waaaaay down there and much of it is tied to Blake.
I am extremely frustrated about Blake’s minutes, but it isn’t a reason to fire someone. The real problems are the reason we’re doing poorly even before the injuries.
#52
It ain't just the coaches, is all I mean.
And firing them solves nothing when our problems go deeper than pick and roll defense and the PG rotation.
#52
At least a lot of people would get banned
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
pick and roll defense is coaching. We switch every screen. That's coaching.
The handling of Miller to start the season and the handling of Bayless now, and the permitting Roy to take the summer off. Its time for a new coaching staff.
Nate did a lot of good things for this team, but its time to replace him.
#52
If Blazer coaches want to hitch their jobs to Steve Blake.
That’s fine by me. Makes the decision much easier.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
this team just doesn't have the firepower anymore. Our role players are over rated. And by role players I really mean Steve Blake.
Oden fan for life
and Martell
this was one of his best games and its still just 16 points on 14 shots, which is not very good.
#52
yeah. he just looks awful.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh that was rough
Toughest loss of the year besides Oden. That was ours to win on the road.
Well We played a lot tougher then we have been
atleast that is a positive for the road trip. That and Martell shows some signs of life.
Bayless continues to be really productive in his few mins.
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
rooting for a whole season of losses to have a marginally better shot at Wall makes no logical sense to me. We will have a incredibly small chance to win Wall.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
combined with our chances of getting a remade team and new coaching staff
losing adds up better than winning
I don’t want losing to become the norm. Even in a down year, we need to keep a winning culture.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
I think a coach means more than 10 years this year
if you get a guy like Wall or Aminu that’s just a bonus.
truth is I lost a lot of faith in KP this offseason
hopefully he sees he put too much stock into Nate and Nate’s thoughts on the team, and we quickly eliminate Nate and the Nate guys.
I think that's a tad unfair
by tad I mean excessively. Nate has turned the franchise around during his tenure and had ever increasing success each season. I think though he’s hit the wall. It’s totally unfair to criticize KP for it, no coach could have done more then Nate did with what he had to work with.
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
I sure don’t want to see another lottery party. But right now all we can do is dream about the future. Besides, as awesome as John Wall is, he’d just be playing 8 minutes a night behind Steve Blake anyway.
Well, in his case I would highly doubt that since he will be better than Rose and could be as good as Wade
But the chances to land him are really very tiny, considering how bad the Nets are, and the Wolves and Warriors.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
He hit that one three and played good defense against that one dude
(Don’t mention what he all missed)
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Blake had a bunch of chances from three, couldn’t land one.
By the way, we lost this game both at the end of overtime and with four minutes left. Dumb turnovers.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
I told myself after the Oden injury
That I’d be pleased if we just played hard, and we did.
We are short handed, at the end of a trip, every is hurt, our stars are off… I didn’t expect us to come back and force overtime. Too bad we didn’t win it, but we played hard.
#52
Blake is having about his worst season as a pro. And he’s playing a career high in minutes.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
which is why I am just dumb-founded with our coaches.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
This loss falls squarely on Roy
He has won us quite a few games so he gets a pass, but not winning these types of games is pushing us closer and closer to a .500 team and the lottery.
#52
No it doesn't
He just wasn’t on tonight. Guess who could have been on? Bayless. This loss, like countless losses this year, falls squarely on the coaches. Roy can’t be on every night.
Well, see y'all....
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
portland got robbed
R – O – B – B – E – D
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
ROBBED!
I don’t even understand what you mean
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
we were robbed BY our own coaching staff....
Jus translating. not expressing my own opinion…
RUDY > MJ
#52
Brian T Smith does somewhat, but on the other hand he thinks Nate can do no wrong
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
unfreaking believable...
horrific overturn by the refs and absolutely sub-par play by Roy. How many of these 5 for 25 nights are we going to endure….
Which blazer looks the worst right now?
My money is on Blake. a 3pt shooting, dishing PG that routinely fails at both.
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((o))
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What is Steve Blake doing well right now?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Winning games
for the other team
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions
Our division rivals are Blake's biggest fans.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Im gonna go watch Rudolph
He never lets me down
Those four faces on Mount Rushmore are always there to remind us that yes, if you do enough good deeds, you will change into a mountain when you die.
by ODEN on a stick on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions
wrong
we lost 5 of 8 and one game we WAS ROBBED
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
If Roy can't average more than 1 point per shot, we've got no chance.
Good effort from him on the glass and some nice assists, but man he can’t score at the rim at all anymore.
Really nice game from LMA today.
#52
who won the heisman?
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
In the 3rd quarter of the Florida/Bama game
I predicted Tebow would be crying. Watching him as he bawled through the post game interview was one of the college fb highlights of the year. The guy is a jackhole.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I know SEC defenses are good, but does nobody look at stats at all?
I mean Gerhart plays the same position, and had vastly superior stats. Gerhart’s numbers were even better against the 4 ranked teams he played.
#52
I was watching something on ESPN today...
and apparently the only team in the top 50 in rushing D ingram faced this year was Florida. Gerhart faced 6.
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
Never discount the ECB.
Even USC can’t escape it.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
usc has had 3 heisman winners in the last decade
and consistently gets love in the media polls. in short what are you talking about?
National Championship Game.
Pac 1 bias.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
if you are referring to the year that usc didn't get the title game
you can blame the ‘computer bias’ but you can’t blame east coast bias since they were ranked #1 in both media polls and in fact won the AP vote that year.
so again, what are you talking about?
He's improving, but not good enough for the talent we have
by hobbyshop_hero on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions
I was making fun of Nate. I think Blake is awful.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions
don't worry, I didn't judge you.
he does scrap a little, so thicker sarcasm may be required
by hobbyshop_hero on Dec 12, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
nate says that after every time he is asked about blake.
Oden fan for life
by dario argento on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
Fire Blake
Not even starter material. Great job on D, but a “three-point threat” that can’t hit is worthless. Give the start to Andre, develop Bayless.
not even backup material tonight.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
That's what everyone's been screaming their tonsils useless at the coaches
And sadly, not results :(
I think Blake is next for the peace prize.
by Flapbreaker on Dec 12, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Basically the only reason Blake is playing is he is supposed to be a good 3 pt shooter.
And he’s not making his threes.
Ever.
Especially when it counts.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Great game for LA
(trying to find the silver lining)
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Bayless
was one of our only players in the positive for the + / – stat. Him and Howard. There are some serious problems with this team.
Portland > Tacoma
by CaptainSexyJacob on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions
serious problems
let me address those problems in order of significance
1. Oden out
2. Rudy out
3. Outlaw out
4. Batum out
5. Pendergraf and Mills out
6. Blake poor play
7. Brandon not 100%
8. Questionable coaching
9. Back-stabbing “fans”
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
I think if the team was at full strength (no injuries) ...
… Brandon would have less pressure to carry the team and his success rate would go up
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
He was doing poorly when we were only missing Batum, and then Trout though
He hasn’t been able to get separation from his man, is shooting way too many jumpers, his ballhandling and balance is off…
#52
And that is the simplest and most obvious and best reason we are a mediocre team now
Tied with, or right behind, Oden being out.
Our PG play is a lot less of a problem if Roy is being a better playmaker.
#52
Blake has lost all confidence
that’s just another reason to Start Miller
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
I will be so happy if /when they start Miller.
I thought Jason Quick said Miller was practicing with the starting line up…and Rudy was in there also…guess when Nate got hurt that all went in the trash??
yea I do think there is more going on with Roy then we know
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Since yesterday I'm pretty convinced he is ill or hurt
Old Roy made some brief cameos tonight, but all in all he just looks slooooooow. He can still hit those shots, but his athleticism isn’t there.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Even when making those cameos
He’s making shots from mid-range because he can’t get separated from his man… it’s just strange to see.
#52
coaching
should be a little(lot) higher up the list
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((o))
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maybe 5 or 6
I’m flexible (sometimes)
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Agreed...
Not sure if its the slimming down or not working on his game or what but he’s far from the player he was last year.
A lot of room
for disagreement on how 2-4 should be ordered. 5-8. But overall, yeah.
"...the rumblings grew louder. Dribble. Dribble. Fake. Dribble. Fake. Shoot. ...a towering dark shadow too terrible to describe. In its hand it held a huge black globe and on its chest was written in cruel runes, 'Villanova.' 'Aiyee,' shouted Legolam. 'A ballhog!'"
It's frustrating how other teams always take advantage of mismatches better
It seems like every game the blazers have a harder time stopping the other team’s option than they have of stopping Roy. Part of this is his aggression, him taking a step back this year, there not being as much shooters to space and of course our D making the other guy look better. However, there are other teams with bad defense. When we can’t stop their guys they keep attacking, but when they can’t stop Roy he stops himself. If I was a fan of another team I’d be happy the blazers are playing the way they do because you don’t fear them.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
Rudolph in 1080P Nice
On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09
People are complaining about Blake a lot...
but Miller had some pretty costly turnovers, and half of his shots were Travis-esque.
Miller also got us easy buckets and steals.
Blake doesn’t do anything on the court besides taking up space.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
As opposed to
all of his shots being travis-esque in ol’ stevie?
by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions
We knew after last year we needed an upgrade over Blake
and before the season that Miller wasn’t a right fit. We need to see if Bayless can play with Roy long minutes and if not then find someone who can play with him.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions
He had one monster turnover that was very ugly. Still did mostly good things trying to get easy baskets.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
If you take out the 6 game win streak against mediocre teams
This blazers team is 8-11. :(
Keep the faith.
We are tied with OKC! Woot!
Apologies to Bill Simmons. You are the greatest prognosticator alive.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
and they have played a much much tougher schedule.
they are the better team right now, and it isn’t close.
#52
it isn’t a surprise that a team built to win regular season games with no major injuries is able to win more games than a team with four key players out of action.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
injuries are part of the game
we’ve got injury-prone players.
Rudy, Travis, and Nic have almost no injury history.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
travis has been insanely durable
but rudy has had problems with his back continually and nic had problems with the shoulder most of last year.
roy has also been injury prone as has martell webster. przybilla and oden also have iffy histories.
in short the majority of our rotation players have regularly missed games.
Rudy has had one injury, supposedly stemming from the Ariza incident. Thus, not injury prone.
Nic has had one injury, the shoulder. Not injury prone.
Travis has had one injury, the foot. Not injury prone.
Martell has had one injury, not injury prone.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions
Why do people keep comparing us to OKC.
Entirely different types of teams and situations.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
They are on the rise, and rising quickly
We are in danger of becoming the next Baby Bulls and Hornets story.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
yep. Its absolutely crucial that we get healthy and make a good hire at head coach. Otherwise, we are done.
We also need Roy not to take any more summers off.
#52
That's too much hyperbole.
Blazers need Oden and new schematics.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I can't put this one on the coaching sstaff
They battled but the refs giveth and the refs taketh away.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Nice Ben
After 31/11 on a bum ankle tonight, a vindicated LaMarcus Aldridge is considering tattooing a y chromosome on his face to silence critics.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
2 years out of high school comparison… Steve Blake puts up 7/7/3 in ACC. Brandon Jennings hangs 18/11/4 on hapless NBA vets like Blake.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I wonder if Ben will ever ask some tough questions for the coaching staff.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I wonder if Blake will ask some tough questions for the coaching staff.
Preferably: “Why do I play so much?”
by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That would make him my new favorite backup player
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I complained because he doesn't consistently try hard
then he puts out a lot of effort and has a good game. I should feel stupid why? I’ve been saying he just hasn’t been trying this season and tonight showed that. If he had put out that effort we could have won some of these recent games we lost. He doesn’t try for weeks and then goes hard for one game? You’re my hero.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know what to think
The refs (and Steve Blake’s shot rimming out) took it away.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
What will it take?
Honestly, it will take a Blake injury to get bayless any minutes. This is rediculous.
Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.
by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions
I'm not looking forward to Nate's return.
Because it’ll just be more of the same. We have the George W. Bush of coaching staffs.
I wonder if some stupid statistical hire the Blazers made has told the team that Steve Blake is one of the best players in the NBA, a la Wayne Winston with the Mavs.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
SYNERGY
Says he is good at defense, and Nate said he and the staff look at Synergy stuff…
Synergy has been bought out by Warkentien I bet!!
#52
Everything else Synergy showed
Matches what most of us see, so it makes sense, except for the Blake stuff…
Crazy. Makes me not know what to think.
#52
I wonder if they don’t take account for switches or Ben wasn’t looking in the right spot with the pick and roll D?
get well soon, big guy.
#52
I think Ben made it up
So that it looks like he is saying something fair about Blake, and not 100% in favor of Bayless, so it looks more realistic.
BUT HE CHOSE THE WRONG LIE.
#52
Actually the biggest investor in Synergy is Cuban, and the head is a Suns guy
I would put out the hypothesis that Oden swatting away stuff and scaring away players helped Blake’s defensive rating in some way.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Well, Wayne Winstons system at least shows players like Kidd, Durant, LeBron, Deng, Dirk on top.
So that makes some sense. Dirk today hit the shot to force OT and the game winner by the way. That’s what he does ;)
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
So many passes to nonexistent cutters
But we did show that if we move the ball around, things go well.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Ugh. All Nate's comments about being away from the team and getting all emotional about it
Make me sick. Because he shouldn’t be anywhere near this team.
Huge game by Aldridge tonight!
Roy was clutch if not efficient. Miller was turnovers and more turnovers, Blake was missed threes, Bayless wasn’t allowed in the game.
Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.
by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions
Roy had so many layups rim out
In the 2nd in particular.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Can I just ask...
I keep hearing “Blake is teh worstest evah!”
Well, maybe. I’d say he’s exposed by fast slashing PGs and the NBA is trending to fast, slashing PGs, but…
Is it Blake’s fault? Is there any question the guy is dogging it out there or something? I’d say no way.
So if Blake is the problem, why is he a problem? He doesn’t put himself in the games. Look elsewhere.
I think the consensus blames the coaching staff for overplaying Blake.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
who else overplays Blake?
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Hello new fan
He’s our designated whipping boy this year, Outlaw had this role last year. WHenever we lose, it is (whipping boy’s) fault.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Blake is a problem, and so is our staff's reliance on him
But for my money, the real problem is something is wrong with Roy. Roy being good is what made it possible to have Blake as a PG on a good team. If Roy is off, Blake just looks awful.
#52
This year, yes
But Roy hasn’t had a game where he looked at good as last year. His playmaking and ability to break down the defense isn’t there.
Makes Blake even worse, since he has to do more than hit an open 3. Once he is doing more, he looks baaaaaaaad.
#52
No one's saying it's Blake's fault that he sucks. But yeah, he sucks
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Its definetetly a coaching problem.
No question about it.
The question is whether the change will be made or if the injuries will allow Nate to keep his job.
#52
I'm sick of Nate McMillan's offense, which is a combination of Coach K's more pure zone offense ...
and a heavy dose of Brandon Roy iso ball to give it that dose of NBA flavor. Portland needs to either hire a guy who runs a pro style offense involving lots of high pick-‘n’-rolls and side screen-rolls (e.g., Jeff Van Gundy) or bring in someone who runs a more complex offense (e.g., Mike Fratello), so opponents won’t have an easy time shutting down the team.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
This is true
But there is as much if not more anti-coach criticism as well, so they balance out. Both are at fault, Blake for being incompetent for his 35+ minutes and the coaches for playing him that long.
Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.
by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
I look at him, and I don't see incompetence.
I see a guy who is being put in a position to fail. If he’s not deployed properly, he’s not much good to you. Not every guy you run out is going to be some sort of all-around wonder player like Roy or Oden. It would be good if that were taken into account. It looks as though when McMillan doesn’t have a bench full of extravagant talent to throw at a problem, bad things happen. Maybe I’m wrong – I’m not a constant watcher.
by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would say that is accurate
Blake can’t look good without the guys next to him playing well, and Roy hasn’t been playing like himself allllll year. Nor LMA, though that is more expected and not going to make Blake look as bad as Roy not playing well.
#52
Blake isn't hitting his open 3's
He’s put in a position to succeed, but he has failed this year. There’s no harm in calling a bad player bad.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
If he's not doing what he is supposed to be doing, then he needs to sit.
Then the question becomes, who fulfills the “spacing” role Blake is meant to play?
It isn’t Miller or Bayless, that isn’t their game. They are good scorers, but not in that way, especially Miller.
So you either ditch the role Blake is playing, which is flexible coaching, or you keep playing Blake and hope he shoots his way out of it.
I still have hope for Bayless’ shooting. He was hitting threes in summer league and is said to be one of the most consistent shooters in practice by the shooting coach. He’s improved his stroke a lot this year, hitting a high percentage of long 2s. 2-7 on threes doesn’t tell us much.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
The shot looks good to me
Much better release, more fluid, less shot putty… and of course he shot well with the shorter 3 line in college.
I’d like to see it fail before I think it would.
#52
He made one from the corner 3 this game. Though he clearly is misused as an off-guard for spot up shots.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Given the injury situation, there's every reason to back off orthodoxy and try new stuff.
You can’t really fail with what’s happened, so experiment.
Which opposing player is exactly afraid to defend Blake?
Nobody respects his drives to the hoop, and his outside shot is not so dangerous – at least this year where he goes back to his career averages – that people would be in a hurry to run out at him.
He had like one great pass tonight when he hit Joel on a cut. The alley-oop to Lamarcus was from Miller if I remember correctly.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
for what its worth Bayless has shot the ball much better than Blake from just inside the line this year.
of course, Bayless is just 2 for 7 on threes this year but Blake is now down below 35%. There’s a chance Bayless could shoot 35% if given the chance. He’s shot the ball very well from ~18 feet this year.
#52
Blake and Martell's shooting percentages make me want to cry.
They are two of the worst two point shooters in basketball right now, and they aren’t shooting at the 38+ 3 point clip needed to make up for that.
We are among the weakest teams in the league at starting PG (possibly the worst) and starting SF.
#52
I can't really bemoan Webby's game tonight
thought he played allright
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
I feel sorry for him
he took that noggin knocker of Joel and another one later to the dome. He deserves some Tylenol and and ice bag, not criticism. Webby was working tonight.
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
he was ok
its sad when 16 points on 14 shots is a good game without much of an impact outside of scoring constitutes one of his better games in a while, though.
#52
6-14 FG 3-6 on 3's 4 boards
that’s not a terrible line by any stretch, stretch
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
no but its not very good either.
if he did that consistently, he’d be fine as a starting SF. Unfortunately, it was one of his best games.
#52
I agree Web needs to be more consistent
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
He did. I liked his attempts to take some closer shots, too. What kills us on his position is having no second SF to back him up forcing the odd 3-guard lineups with 3 guards that are really rather small. If Nic could start and Martell backed him up splitting minutes at about 20 with the last 8 taken by Roy and Rudy, I would be totally fine with that.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I can't speak for anyone else.
I’ve been calling for schematic changes for the better part of 3 years. Even as I saw our win totals start to balloon. I do think Bayless can stand in the corner like Blake does to space the floor. Bayless is just more likely to attack the basket when he receives the ball when the defense is off balanced.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Why not try it.
What would you lose by starting him and seeing if he’d play under control or whatever. If the 3pt numbers are the same, the threat of a drive, and especially drive and dish, makes him more a threat, I’d imagine.
I think we're on the same page here.
Maybe not start Bayless, but definitely rein in Blake’s minutes.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Well, I got an email from Paul (Mr. Allen to you.)
It looks like we’re finally gonna get our chance (collectively) to coach the Blazers. He’s going to “Crowdsource” the whole thing, with plays called in by blogs, and twitter. Should be a real step forward.
We had a thread about that on BE like a year ago
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
No
everybody else is omniscient here. You should be too.
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Yeah, he isn't even hitting his wide open 3's
Which is what he “does”.
Our problems begin and end with Roy not playing up to his capabilities, and NOTHING else we do or change will mean anything if Roy isn’t playing consistently good.
It makes all other problems moot, since there is no fix… just our key guys playing better.
HOWEVER since this isn’t a year we need to win every game, Bayless should get a looooooooooot more minutes. He looked good next to Roy out there tonight. AND it’s not like his play has hurt us at all, so we aren’t sacrificing wins by playing him.
Such a bummer to watch.
#52
But, we played hard
It wasn’t a question of effort tonight, but of execution, turnovers, some unlucky breaks, missed FTs, and Roy not being Roy still.
#52
It could well be that Blake understands that Miller should be starting, or at least playing more,
and that creates a psychological tension that disrupts his game, not to mention other players. I undermines confidence in the coach. The players certainly have a feel for what “makes sense” in a game. Coach needs to “make sense”.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
To all of you mypoic Jerryd Bayless fans, he'd've most likely fouled out before ever reaching 40 minutes.
Now, with that said, Steve Blake sucks and Andre Miller is a poor fit next to Brandon Roy, but Bayless — who’s a natural ballside wing (i.e., the 2) in the high-low zone offense — is just as abysmal defensively as either one of the other two point guards. Until this team acquires a talented defensive off guard like Kirk Hinrich to play the 1, the perimeter defense will stay porous and Nate/Dean’s horrible coaching of pick-and-roll defense will keep being abused.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
at some point, you have to let the game influence your opinion of Bayless. He was the best defensive guard we had and played under control on offense. Sure, it was only eighteen minutes… but he wasn’t actively killing us like Blake was at points.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
He was playing good, active defense
And was breaking down the defense with his drives and hitting his jumpers.
Bayless was doing well.
#52
If he's the best defensive guard, then Portland is screwed from the get-go. And, no, I still abhor his ...
street ball style of offense wherein he selfishly puts his head down and guns to the basket with reckless abandon. At best, Bayless will develop into a Louis Williams type who has an overly high usage rate for a supposed role player and puts up empty stats on a bad team.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
he wasn’t doing that tonight. He played within the offense, had a nice play where he moved along the three point line to receive a dish from Roy, and played very active and somewhat effective defense.
He is playing under control thus far this season.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
It's nice that Jerryd Bayless can play within himself once in awhile, but I wouldn't hold my ...
breath about it becoming a long-term quality of his. Just like when people were extremely excited over LaMarcus Aldridge’s short-lived improved play after the All-Star break last season, some things are just anomalies.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
That's a bit much, I think.
Maybe he’s your leader of the 2nd unit, sees about 25-30 minutes a night, and picks up the scoring slack while Roy gets some rest. What’s wrong with that?
I think you’re running down a pretty effective game too much because it doesn’t look like Princeton.
Like with Oden, I would actually like to see Bayless foul out and not people telling me he would
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec for "he'd've"
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Most people want Bayless to be just given a chance when Blake plays as poorly as does.
Bayless can’t seem to earn any more minutes no matter how well he is playing. I think your strawman response hurts your credibility here.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I, too, can't stand Steve Blake and am all for offering him, Travis Outlaw, and cash considerations ...
to the Chicago Bulls for Kirk Hinrich. I, for the life of me, still don’t get why Kevin Pritchard targeted a pure point guard this off-season in Andre Miller, who anyone with any basketball knowledge would be a poor stylistic fit in Nate McMillan’s system and Brandon Roy’s ball dominant playing style. As it is, I don’t think that Pritchard and McMillan are on the same page regarding what they personally expect out of the 1 on offense; otherwise, a flashly playmaker like Sergio Rodriguez and an undersized 2 like Jerryd Bayless would’ve never been drafted, while Miller would’ve never been targeted in free agency.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I always assumed Sergio was Allen's pick.
Bayless was a Pritchard pick for sure. I’m not high on him, but he may be the best of the worst options we have at this point of the season. Pritchard and McMillan don’t seem to be on the same page as of late. But the first few guys brought in fit within Nate’s schematics. PGs look to be the big issue.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Paul Allen paid to acquire Sergio Rodriguez's draft rights, but targeting a Euro seems to be ...
a KP specialty and likely a move that he pushed for by pleading his case with Allen.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I assume they both liked the idea
He was a kid who could be real good, or mediocre, who knew back then? He was just a pick because we could, and then you see what ya got.
#52
And I ain't a Sergio fan
But I got nooooooooo problem with taking a flyer on a kid like that, fit or no fit.
#52
Too bad our team doesn't have a system that is perfect for it....
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
With all due respect to Paul Westphal, he won in Phoenix due to the ...
abundance of talent at his disposal. When Westphal was in Seattle, the results weren’t so pretty. Sacramento is more like late-90s/early-2000s Seattle than early-’90s Phoenix.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Yeah, Sacramento is a utopic destination for Sergio Rodriguez.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I am glad KP likely got less for Sergio
To put him in a nice place that he can thrive in. We likely coulda’ got more for him, a higher draft pick.
Since the “more” wouldn’t likely be game-changing or whatever, I like we put him in the perfect place for his career.
#52
I agree with you, which is why I'm sad Travis Outlaw wasn't dealt ...
this past off-season to a team that could’ve had more short-term use for him like the New Jersey Nets. That way, Outlaw could’ve tricked a team into overpaying him in the summer of 2010.
Dear Paul Allen:
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That's what bums me out about his injury
I hoped he’d go somewhere he could really show his scoring off, get a big deal, and be happy.
#52
Sergio was far better here, and is far better overall
than anyone gives him credit for. Look at his age and his numbers. Slightly trend them up from his averages over the years and he’s a solid point guard, at minimum a stud off the bench.
My main objection to him, and I assume many of the people that cheered for his departure, was that his presence blocked the development of Bayless...
It was pretty much an “either/or” deal between Sergio and Rex. ONE of those guys was the “developing young PG” and the other one was going to be gone.
Bringing in Andre for two years — with an option for a 3rd year if he rocks the house, which he isn’t doing to date — can be viewed or rationalized as a stopgap until Bayless is ready to assume the reins…
The key thing now is that Blake has got to be gone by the end of the year, because he is in the role analogous to Sergio last year — blocking Rex’s development by his presence.
It’s now pretty clearly an “either/or” between Blake and Bayless, the way things sit.
We’ll see how it shakes out.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Hinrich is as bad or worse than Blake this year
#52
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
People said that last season when Kirk Hinrich came back from a wrist injury, and they all ...
looked like fools come playoff time. And, well, it looks like things will play out that same way this season. Once Hinrich gets back into the swing of things from his recent thumb surgery, he’ll be on a tear come playoff time again. Let us just hope it’s not with a team like, oh, the Los Angeles Lakers.
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Vinny Del Negro doesn't need any help in getting himself fired, which should happen soon.
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He doesn't need it.
But, man, he’s getting it.
This is a team that was like Dracula in the playoffs and now they can’t be bothered to lose by less than 20 every night?
You can't judge that because you have never coached
Vinny Del Negro, a pure sophomore coach among coaches, using that as his defense. Priceless.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
pretty much agree with everything
except the Kirk Hinrich part
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Post from a myopic Jerryd Bayless fan
I thought coach said you had to earn your minutes. Explain how Blakey has been earning his.
by Tim Tim on Dec 12, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Get him quick, before the Grizzlies do.
He’s a ton of fun to watch, and matched with Bayless and Rudy (when he comes back) well, you know the shot’s going up quick. He’s allergic to D, but that should be ok.
Yeah, jacking up shots for Gentry alongside Mayo, Gay, and Z-Bo (first 30 and 10 and 4 guy in Griz history) will be more fun
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
You know, one night, it's just gonna fall for all of them in Memphis,
and then they’re gonna score about 180. And give up, oh, 175.
ATL had 146 vs Toronto. It could be worse: We could be Raptors fans and enjoy Bosh bail on that team.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Bosh hasn't entirely bailed.
His offense is important to him. His D, he’s completely abandoned, as has all of Tor. It’s just amazing to see, Raptors are like the best YMCA team ever.
Oh he's still trying this year, but I would put the chances of him and Johnson staying put way lower than those of Wade and LeBron moving.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I wonder what Synergy says about his defense
Are his defensive stats (as untrustworthy as they might be) still good?
If so, the same bad offense BUT gooder defense is worth it.
#52
I think he gets traded at the deadline, but not to Portland
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I think Kirk Hinrich gets dealt to the Lakers and wins a ring, which'll make me happy for him.
Adam Morrison, Jordan Farmar, and Josh Powell’s expiring contracts should be enticing enough to make Chicago finally deal Hinrich to a deserving contender.
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It makes a lot of sense.
All teams, not just PDX, might be turned off by those off-court rumors of Hinrich, and his returned shooting woes.
#52
Memphis was. But LA might not be.
Whatever, Bulls need to make a move to get the cap space for Bosh/Wade/Johnson (1) plus let Tyrus walk. And since I doubt Salmons does them the favor of opting out, they have to trade either him or Hinrich or both.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I still expect John Salmons will exercise his ETO this summer, even though he's ...
stunk thus far this season.
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I'm still trying to figure out what thsoe off-court rumors surrounding Kirk Hinrich are ...
even, as the one thing that crosses my mind is drug usage — although he’s never tested positive for anything — but who knows.
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i read on a bulls forum
when that rumor surfaced that he’s kind of a d*uche towards fans in public.
but still, that’s not too significant.
If the intenet Bulls fans are an indication of how they are in person
Then no wonder he’d be a d-bag to them. Dropped in at Blogabull lately?
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
Shoot, that's cool with me. I'm sure a lot of fans are annoying to deal with for ...
most professional athletes. Then again, Kevin Pritchard seems like one of those lamebrained corporate chumps who thinks that how players deal with the public is important. Ugh, I hate that “culture” nonsense.
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i too think the extreme emphasis on character is a bit farsical
the fans stopped going to games in 04, 05, 06 because the team sucked and had little to cheer for, not because ZBo and DMiles were here.
but i doubt that was the reason we passed on Kirk. Hell, we don’t even know if there was a trade in place to land him.
Yeah, it's all conjecture regarding trade talks.
Anyway, you’re 100% correct about how winning will put butts in the seats more than anything else. Except in extreme cases (e.g., Ruben Patterson), character isn’t a major issue when it comes to evaluating a professional athlete.
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Hinrich...how do I say this...
likes to dress up as a woodland creature. And then he…
No, this is a family site.
I have my sources, direct or indirect.
Can’t really discuss this here since nothing is of course proven. Look at when his stats dropped. You might have seen some photos of Kirk and Duhon partying, then think about what they did next with Duhon. You can also check the blog of Wendell and Dwight who made some remarks about Kirk being available for cheap but the Blazers passing.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Getting sloshed and partying with girls sounds like a good time to me, even if ...
it extends from down at the bar all the way up to the hotel room. Oh, and as the old adage goes, the more the merrier.
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Well, there is some limit when it might be considered not so merry for a pro. Especially considering Portland's history.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
If I was Kirk Hinrich, I'd con Chris Duhon into doing a snake draft ...
and having the 2nd and 3rd picks. Well, at least in that case with those prospects.
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speaking of drafts....
check out this one…
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=355091
The draft is about halfway down the first post. Every player came with their real life contract. Depth charts and salaries are further down in the post.
Ah, one of the Lavrinovic twins.
Off the court, they’re like the Lithuanian Kobe Bryant.
Nobody knows what really happened in that case, though.
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As long as Kirk Hinrich can control his booze and isn't playing out on ...
the court too hungover the next day, then I’d be fine with his extracurricular activites.
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Scratch that, I'm sticking to my guns that Dallas acquires a center by the deadline and ...
shocks the world by winning the 2010 NBA Finals. So, even if the Los Angeles Lakers obtain Kirk Hinrich, I must stand by my original prognostication.
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I'd let you come off the Dallas prediction
although, I’ve been a fan of their play, specifically Dirks. He’s so clutch he doesn’t even know it (but he does).
I must stick with the Dallas prediction, which is especially because I can bask in ...
the glory of being right if it does comes to fruition. That said, though, Dallas is a damn fine team and it isn’t a stretch to see them pull off what Houston did in the mid-’90s.
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True, Hakeem Olajuwon was the man.
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I'm not a big Carlisle fan.
Seeing as how he destroyed (Larry Brown’s) the Pistons defense. But they have one great roster.
I usually think your trade proposals are goofy, but I can see this working for both sides...
I think Kirk Hinrich gets dealt to the Lakers and wins a ring, which’ll make me happy for him.
Adam Morrison, Jordan Farmar, and Josh Powell’s expiring contracts should be enticing enough to make Chicago finally deal Hinrich to a deserving contender.
Bulls would want some money to pay for Adam Morrison, I’ll bet. That guy is completely valueless.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
You can take Sergio Rodriguez, while I'll take Kirk Hinrich. I'm a fan of top-notch defenders, though.
Oh, I guarantee you Hinrich would absoutely shut down “Spanish Chocolate” in a one-on-one matchup.
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I like you
But your opinion on either Kirk Hinrich or Jerryd Bayless can absolutely not be trusted. Bayless has been pretty good, and Hinrich has been atrocious. Steve Blakes numbers are better across the board. I am a HInrich fanboi for what its worth. Kirk has been TERRIBLE this year.
RUDY > MJ
#52
Kirk Hinrich will be fine by season's end, although it's good not to trust someone on everything. I, ...
like everyone else, has been wrong before in life. Nobody is right 100% of the time, so it’s always good to question others.
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The last couple games have been within a few points
And Brandon has shot around 35%. I don’t know what happened to his efficiency from last year, but if it was there, we win last night and tonight.
Not to say we don’t have lots of other problems, particularly on the defensive end, but those problems wouldn’t feel so soul crushing if our offense was hitting.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
33%
Broy was 8 of 24. It isn’t that he wasn’t on, it was poor shot selection. It’s time to quit calling it Broy’s team. Brandon can’t carry the team. When he tries, he forces too many shots. Worse, the only reason Blake is playing is because Brandon wants him in. Time for the coaching staff to do their job and bag this broy’s team stuff.
And when he gets there he isn't making them much and isn't drawing fouls
#52
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 12, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
he's actually drawing fouls at a higher rate (compared with his fg attempts this year)
but yeah, he’s not finishing at the rim nearly as well.
#52
Roy came right out and said he doesn't CARE who starts at PG..he just didn't want to
play SF anymore. Show him how much EASIER it is to get buckets with Andre and he will defintely have a preference. The coaching staff has COMPLETELY FAILED to let those two get used to playing with each other.
eh, its clear Miller hasn't fit in well here.
I largely blame the coaches for never giving it a chance to work, but I don’t mind trading him, especially if we get something decent back.
I would prefer a new coach who had some idea how to use Miller, but that’s probably not happening.
#52
Nate does not seem to send that signal in interviews
I doubt we see a big trade, though I wouldn’t be against it.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
I read on another post that the players aren't happy with the coaching...
I think KP will have the last say and I REALLY hope they keep Miller and can Nate’s butt.
What is Blake's trade value?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
That's why Miller is going to be the one that gets traded.
Because we can’t get anything for Blake.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
When Skiles inserted Ridnour for Redd
midway through the first OT, I wished our coach would do the same with Jerryd and Blake.
Woulda been a great move, but our coach sucks.
I just got back from having dinner and watching the last overtime.
How’s everyone doing? It was probably best I wasn’t online for that overtime.
I'm pretty upset
not with how the team played but how the refs robbed the PTB of a win. It really makes being a fan difficult. I know human error is a part of the reffing business, but there is no excuse for blatant bias and wrong-doing. What the refs did tonight was no different then what Tim Donaghy did on any night.
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
i have a hard time putting that totally on the refs. I would have liked a jump ball with that unclear out of bounds play. But nobody forced Miller to turn it over, Roy to lose the ball yelling, and Blake to brick wide open threes.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
yea but look
the refs made the call out of bounds to portland 12 seconds left and a 2 point lead. then they take an inordinate amount of time to review it and without conclusive evidence of any sort to overturn the call they do anyways. Milwaukee reprieved, scores, wins. Blame— Refs.
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
well what does common sense say?
they reviewed it, M&M said the rule states the last two minutes possession calls can be replayed. Wouldn’t one think it likely for a call to be overturned evidence must exist to merit such a call. Sheeminy crickets
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
I suppose this one hurts the team. Fighting back and forcing a not anymore expected OT, blowing open a lead and then giving it away on also an arguable decision.
I hope if changes were planned KP pulls the trigger now. If they want to continue to play like that, we’ll have a hard time reaching the playoffs. And at some time Nate needs to make decisions about how he wants to play in the future, and with whom.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Everything we do the rest of the way
Has to have the future in mind. Just like in the “old” days.
Player development, as long as they ain’t mucking up too much. An eye for next season.
Bayless, Batum, need major minutes with Roy and LMA.
#52
This feels like the rebuilding team of 3-4 years ago
I’m afraid this is going to be a very long season no matter what changes are made. My eye is really on next years team. Sigh
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
There are no changes that can be made to save the season
And I truly hope no changes are made in an attempt to save the season.
We are not the team we thought we were until Oden is back, and Roy is closer to what he was before.
Until those things happen, we gotta play for the future, as a team and as fans.
#52
"Until...Roy is closer to what he was before."
If he can return to that form this season and LMA plays with the effort he did tonight every night they can get the 8th spot. However, I think Roy’s problems are from taking the summer off, so he can’t just turn it on and LMA hasn’t shown he can do this consistently. They’re capable, but they’re so thin they’d have to play inspired ball and even when they were winning earlier it was mostly because they just out-talented weaker teams. The problem is they’d have to beat out OKC, Houston or Utah for the final spot and right now those teams are more talented so we’d have to outplay them.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I agree on the no significant changes to the roster..
I still like and support our players.
I obviously have lost confidence in the coach, and welcome a change as soon as a good replacement can be had.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Arg!
Don’t give up the ship. You’ve got a top 3 SG, you’ve got a scoring PF, you’ve got several guys to run point, more or less well. You’ve got a defensive C. And you’ve got a SF who stands around and jacks shots. Well, it’s not perfect, but its not the end of the world. You’re going to get guys back soon too.
Oi.
Maybe not at this moment, but I’ve watched him be that guy this very year. Even the potential for that is more than 27 other teams have.
Roy is playing like the borderline allstar of 2 years ago (who made it but probably didn't deserve to over eg. Baron, DWill and Manu)
not the 2nd team all NBA player of last year. The stats reflect that.
#52
We've seen about 1/4 of a season so far.
Seriously, Blazers lost to the team with the best record in the east last year, and then in double OT on a back to back. That is far from the end of the world.
forget these two games.
I’m talking about 25 games. Roy’s level of play has dropped dramatically from last year over 25 games.
#52
I think you should trade him to the Rockets
for TMac.
We loves us some dysfunctional All-NBA talent.
That was an all-star nod for the team as a feel-good story 2 years ago
He definitely won’t have that this year, unless Portland turns into the lovable scrappy underdog who is staying in the playoff hunt.
It's enough to be fine most nights
We can make the playoffs if the real Roy somewhat returns.
I’m happy with whatever happens, as long as we are trying out there. A whole lot of poop has happened to us this year that we can’t do a thang about.
#52
I still 100% believe in our future
When Oden can play 30+ minutes a night.
But until then, we won’t be a very good team if Roy struggles, as we rode him hard last season to our 54 wins, and he was awesome. If he ISN’T awesome, we just don’t got enough.
#52
if oden...
can play 30 minutes a night for a full season.
that’s clearly an if at this point.
You’re going to get guys back soon too
Who? Pendy and Mills? Not enough. Outlaw, Batum, and Oden are not going to come back soon enough. If either of them come back this season it may help a little, but I can’t believe it puts us over the top of anyone above us
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
This hasn't been discussed too often here, but I believe Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan have different ...
philosophies regarding basketball. That, along with Pritchard’s inane love affair with best players available over stylistic fit and McMillan being stubborn, has created a bad mix between a GM and head coach.
What kind of coach was Pritchard when he held that gig in Portland? If anything, that might shed some light on specifics regarding the philosophical differences between him and McMillan.
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Look at the history of KP's moves.
Przybilla, Blake, Batum, Rudy, Dante, LMA, and Roy. They all fit Nate’s system.
Compared with Sergio, Bayless, and Miller.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Przy wasn't a KP move.
Rudy, Batum and LMA would arguably be much better in a more uptempo system.
#52
I'm saying there's no substantial evidence to back up Ak1984's assertion
We targeted Hedo and Milsap first before Miller.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Paul Millsap wouldn't've fit, either, while Hedo Turkoglu is falling apart due to age.
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they both are over-rated
and both need to go
Man,
and aldridge had about sealed it with those dunks on the break. me and my brothers were so pumped! :(
Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.
by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions
Where are those people that thought Hinrich was just a slight upgrade over Blake?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Can we just play with 4 players instead of Blake on the floor?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I like playing 4 on 4 more than 5 on 5
Imagine how well we could space the floor with only 4 guys!
#52
Maybe, due to all our injuries
We can petition the league to let us go back to 6 on 5.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
i really wanted hinrich over the summer
but kirk is having a worse year than blake.
Kirk: 8pts, 4asts, 3rebs, 29mins, 34% FG (!!!), 29% from 3. PER= 7.5!
Blake: 7pts, 4asts, 3rebs, 30mins, 37%FG, 36% from 3, PER= 9.3
It's about his defense though
HOWEVER, we’d definitely be bitching about Hinrich with how we are struggling as a team if we went and got him. His offensive stats are ABYSMAL.
But, his defense is why we should get him, if we do.
#52
Hinrich has been as bad as Blake this year
he’s been absolutely god awful. he would appear to be a huge upgrade but based on this season i’m glad that’s not a move we made.
they’ve both been awful.
Kirk Hinrich is still a stud defender and will be absolutely good to go on offense by the playoffs.
People doubted Hinrich just like this around the same time last season and were proven wrong during the post-season, so history seems to be repeating itself.
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he had a nice series against boston
but outside of that he’s been disappointing every since his 07 season when he earned the big pay check.
i really wanted him at the trade deadline last year and i think he would have helped but i’m not sure he’s really an answer.
His offense has been awful
But his defense has remained consistently good to great according to all reports.
#52
that's interesting
opposing per and his on court / off court stats would not seem to indicate that his defense is good.
Opponent PER is a garbage stat, while Kirk Hinrich's -5.3 net points allowed per 100 ...
possessions thus far this season is an outstanding number. Mor than anything, let’s get the facts straight.
http://www.82games.com/0910/09CHI4.HTM#onoff
Oh, and with regards to opponent PER, Kirk Hinrich has a nice number of 14.6. It’s still a garbage stat, though.
http://www.82games.com/0910/0910CHI.HTM
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opposing per is a garbage stat because it doesn't indicate...
that your boy kirk hinrich is a top notch defender?
btw the number on my screen reads 16.4 not 14.6 unless i misunderstand it. i’m pretty sure 15.0 is considered “average” so you’d expect a “top notch” defender to force a better number there, wouldn’t you?
and hinrich’s net points are a negative. how does this show that he’s making his team better?
No, opponent PER is a garbage stat because it doesn't calculate a player's ...
impact on team defense whatsoever. Also, it does say 14.6; thus, you might need your eyes checked or a new computer screen.
Furthermore, negative +/- stats on defense indicate that you’re allowing that many points less. When Kirk Hinrich is on the court, the opposition scores 5.3 points per 100 possessions less against the Chicago Bulls than when he’s off the court.
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Opponent PER is also particularly bad
for guys who tend to guard a position other than what they play often. It’s not as big a problem in Chicago this year as previous, but Kirk used to get stuck with the SG opposing PER when they went to the 3 guard lineup, even though he was guarding the SF a lot.
But the 14.6 is his overall opponent PER – if you look at the by-position breakdown, that’s where you get the 16.4 PER for his time at SG. (There, you also see an 8.1 opponent PER credited to him for time at PG, and a 23.8 for limited time at SF this year.)
In fact, if you buy the by-position stuff they have up – Kirk would be expected to be much better going someplace he can spend most of his time at PG.
Just waiting on some offense....
If we keep playing like garbage under Nate the rest of this month, I really hope the move gets made around new years.
Monty as interim coach, Thibodeau or Budenholzer next year.
#52
Won't happen though.
We have overachieved under Nate the last three years. A bad third of a season when we are absolutely decimated by injuries won’t be enough to fire Nate because of the previous three years.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
We have overachieved under Nate the last three years
That’s such a huge assumption. That’s not a statement you can actually make factually.
really?
i don’t see how thats an assumption at all. There are plenty of bad teams with talented players (just look at NJ or Memphis) that do not drastically improve three years in a row. The coach has something to do with it whether you like him or not. Downplaying nate’s role is like downplaying B. Roys or LMAs.
i don’t see how thats an assumption at all
Unless we get a DeLorean, go back in time, and check how 5 or 10 other coaches would have done with the same team to confirm our suspicions, it’s an assumption.
Downplaying nate’s role is like downplaying B. Roys or LMAs.
Downplaying KP’s role in the increasing number of victories is like downplaying Roy or LMA or Oden’s role.
well,
take a look at the terrible teams with good players and you will see how other coaches would do. I don’t know how much more factual you can be than looking at statistics. This team has done very well under nate. thats factual. Seattle did very poorly without nate, also a fact. When nate got here(along with broy and lma) we got better. good players don’t make a good team. Devin Harris and Brook Lopez don’t make new jersey good. Chris Bosh and Hedo and Jose don’t make a team good. Dwade makes a team merely decent. Chris Paul and David West can’t do anything right now. Without Phil Kobe and the lakers sucked. The Wiz are filled with talent and cant do a thing with it. Deny it all you want, but, it is very factual that nate has helped this team get to where it is.
We'll agree to disagree here.
It’s simply, and by definition, not factual. So we’ll need to disagree and call it a night.
alright man
absolute fact doesn’t matter, your right. I guess i shouldn’t have even used the word. What i meant was overwhelming evidence.
Based on Vegas' over/under for wins and 99% of NBA experts' predictions,
the last three years, we overachieved. It’s not that crazy to say.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
There wasn't enough pressure put on McMillan last year.
Everyone was all too happy about a 1st round exit. There wasn’t an impetus to force Nate to adapt or change his schemes. Something many of us on Bedge had called for.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Everyone was a hyperbole relative to people who criticized the coaching staff schematically.
Something many of us on Bedge had called for.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Yeah, there were only a few of us who criticized Nate McMillan before this season. Hell, a lot of ...
fans are short-sighted and live in the moment, though, so making the playoffs was good enough for them and they didn’t feel the need to question McMillan’s glaring flaws. I hope those people learned their lesson, but I doubt it.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
this year has been one letdown after another.
the old days of last year and the year before.. i miss them
Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.
by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM PST reply actions
I miss Outlaw
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
I miss my mommie
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
It's coaching
The system is wrong. It’s the stand and watch spread the floor system. It doesn’t encourage movement. You can see the guys go to their spots, which is how the system is designed. They run the ball, up the court only to slow it down. They catch and stop and think. They wait for double teams. Seems like they think that double teams are good so they can pass out, but they never cut. If the players are not moving on their own, then the coaches need to coach them. It’s coaching.
Good game by lma, wouldve loved to see more REx, I mean how much worse can he do
than blake and miller, though miller did play good in the first overtime making up for a bad regulation. Joel had a good game too, we should be thankful to him. Honestly that is not a bad loss for a team in our situation.
I'm worried the blame goes to the wrong place
if KP sells out getting Nate type guys there goes our window.
yeah, I think if Nate's still the coach next year, our window is closing fast.
Of course, our window is even more closed if Oden can’t stay healthy and Roy shoots sub 40% from the field.
#52
The roster has issues too.
The coaching changes can’t solve it.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Perhaps Nate isn't the right guy
But if Oden is healthy and playing 30+ and Roy is efficient, and Batum is healthy and continues to develop, it doesn’t really matter who coaches us.
Might as well have someone the players like and respect.
In the meantime, I’d hate to fire a coach who did a LOT for us, the fanbase, and the organization during a year where soooooooooooooooooooooo much awful stuff out of everyone’s control has happened. Screwing Nate over like that won’t look good to anyone. He may not be the right choice in the long run, but this year ain’t his fault.
#52
I don't see it as helping us win
Not right now, and really depends on who we get for the future.
All known coaches have their own dumb tendencies we’d hate, and all unknown coaches will undoubtedly have dumb tendencies we’d hate as well. All coaches have dumb tendencies fanbases hate.
Nate is part of the problem, but waaaay down the list after injuries and Roy not being as good as before (not even close to as good as before). No coaching change fixes that.
#52
But I openly admit
I am waaaay biased towards blaming the players when there are on-court problems and think we overrate what coaches do.
If the team is playing hard and respecting the coach’s authority and trying to win for them, it is the most you can ask for usually
I am open to a new coach if it will really help us. Depends on who the coach is.
I am positive any newbie coach will have extremely frustrating mistakes and tendencies as well.
#52
Of course
there are fundamental flaws with Nate that cap his teams maximum expected efficiency (mostly a weird fascination with mid range J’s). You need a coach that has a system that allows for it’s players to maximize their production and efficiency. Nate more or less makes his talent play to an average expected outcome. They go up and down, but they’re only as good as they’re shooting. Other teams have better ways of scoring the basketball.
I hoped Oden
Having the first dominant big of Nate’s career, plus the Blazers franchise since Walton, would help change that.
It is hard to judge this season, which makes it more difficult for me.
I am open to using this season as a test for Nate, but there is no way to test him now. And thus, since we are almost back to zero and waiting for Oden to come back, I revert back to “Nate earned a shot”.
I do agree with your analysis, but do think Oden would eventually change that for any coach, and it really ultimately depends on who else we could get.
#52
If one thinks Nate is fundamentally flawed
Then of course they would have to think giving him a shot is pointless.
#52
If you think Oden is the key
you have to have a proven commodity at getting something substantial out of there center. You can’t just hope Nate figures it out on the fly. There isn’t any reason to take that shot besides having 3 years to kill (which no NBA franchise has).
All the more reason not to go to a n00b coach
It really, really depends on who we’re talking about replacing him with and how different it is.
#52
I dunno if Budenholzer is really a newbie.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Do we know he favors an offense that runs inside-out, with a focus on the big man?
I really am just asking; I do not know.
Does he know the secret of the pick and roll?
If someone hasn’t been the head coach and in charge of all of the decisions, even if he’s been around forever in a successful franchise, he’s gotta be a n00b for at least a year or two.
#52
he is supposedly a Popovich clone, he’s run a lot of their X and O stuff for years.
I still prefer Lawrence Frank.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
This is partly why I'm for JVG, who's been through the wars.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I agree on not getting a fresh faced coach.
Or at least one that doesn’t know how to feed their big.
I think no matter who we have
If Oden stays on the floor, we would ultimately go into him as out 1st option. He’d have to take it from Roy, and we wouldn’t make him the first option until then because Roy had proven to be a good 1st option, but no matter what we’d go into him.
Plus Oden would get himself open plenty of times, either through his own BBIQ or as part of the gameplan, but our guards just don’t see him. I, again, think Roy and not the coaches are a big part of that problem.
Because Oden is a new thing and until this year not an effective big man to run the offense through, I don’t see any coach forcing that issue when you got Roy right there.
I think the eventual player Oden will become makes coaching us on offense idiot proof.
#52
I think the eventual player Oden will become makes coaching us on offense idiot proof.
Just because we can eventually win in spite of Nate does not mean we should keep him.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
That's not really what I mean.
I knew I should have deleted that part; our defense under Nate has been our bigger concern.
For the first third of this season, any coach (ANY) would use Roy as the first option, and since he struggles to incorporate Oden, the team struggles to incorporate Oden.
And any coach would eventually run the offense through Oden, once he has proven to be more worthy of it than Roy.
#52
and this is what it reall comes down to
You can only be so bad with a great roster. But you can only be so good with a bad coach.
I guess I just think that overrates the coach's importance.
Phil Jackson and Popovich might be geniuses, but they wouldn’t be without Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, etc.
The triangle doesn’t work without the perfect players; Popovich’s ability to see the big picture and focus on the playoffs doesn’t work without the right players.
I definitely think coach’s affect things greatly, but simply not nearly as much as the players… and the right players will make any coach a good coach, and the wrong players will make any legendary coach look bad.
We could have Jesus out there coaching us (his basketball mind is very underrated); doesn’t make a difference unless Oden is healthy and Roy playing at least 3/4s as good as before.
Roy making the wrong reads a lot more than he used to, makes our offense look bad.
Is it reliant on the players making reads and reacting? Sure, but I’d say every team’s offense is like that for the most part.
I do not know if Nate is the right choice at all, but I do see many things the players are doing wrong that they know not to do.
#52
I think coaches have a shelf life in the NBA.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I wish basketball was more like baseball, since ...
in baseball managers really don’t make a tangible impact. This isn’t baseball, though.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Coaches certainly affect things
Style of play, schemes, etc. Much much much more than baseball.
But it is still ultimately up to the players, especially when we’re not doing things you KNOW any coach would be telling the players to do (pass to Oden when wide open for a dunk, stay on good outside shooters, don’t let that quick PG past you, have focus on both ends of the ball Roy, etc).
When we mess up basics that we know any coach would be pointing out and seeing on video, I blame the players.
#52
Now, as we all know, Nate says the right things about defense when discussing it
(not wanting switches on pick and rolls all the time, etc) but his teams have consistently not been good defensively. So that is a problem.
I think Oden will help, as would having a great perimeter defender like Batum, but there is something else going on there.
#52
JVG is a veteran and a guy who's coached high usage centers ...
in the past; also, he’s got keen knowledge of how to both run and defend against the pick-and-roll. Finally, JVG plays at a slow pace and I prefer that speed.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
He seems like he'd be a good fit offensively for Roy and Oden
I don’t think I believe he’d hold Roy and LMA accountable for a lack of defensive effort, like you think though.
#52
Long term, Nate is the problem we can solve now
Injuries you can’t do anything about. Roy not being Roy apparently is not something you can control, and if you could it’d be the coach. Coach is the variable that can change, and that needs changing.
I can see Paul Allen doing a balance sheet on Nate
and seeing +’s don’t outweigh the -’s.
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
Watching the Blazers get torched by Luke Ridnour
That’s right, torched by Luke Ridnour. It reminded me what I don’t like about the Blazer offense. There is a reason Ridnour was able to get all those easy shots. He was running off of picks left and right. On and off ball. I always wish Portland could do that, and it rarely happens. Much like our heavily discussed defensive problems, I believe it stems from lacking a real system. It’s making my question Nate & crew more every game. Can you imagine how awesome our guards could be if they were set up with that many picks?
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
I dunno, getting torched by the luke reminds me of what I dont like about our D first on foremost..........But yeah I do agree our schemes are really lacking and Houston gave everyteam a cheat sheet on how to beat us. They might as well be called wikipid
ia, you probably shouldnt quote them, but it gets the job done.
bad screens
Our big guys set poor screens and then the guards don’t use the screens well either. The guards don’t run past the screens tight enough so the other guards can stay with them. our guards get picked cleanly.
I agree
And call me crazy, but I think it’s important. Maybe someone should teach them how to do it.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
Nate & Co. must place an incredibly high value on assists/turnovers ratio
It’s the only stat where Blake is a top 30 PG as far as I can see. He’s actually 15th there.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
That's why Nate McMillan loved Antonio Daniels.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Antonio Daniels was like Andre Miller on defense, for quicker point guards destroyed him.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I don't usually like to do this...
but, It’s driving me crazy how the refs have been treating roy! I know we should take responsibility for the game and all that, but when two games in two nights come down to several crappy calls it’s hard to ignore. Am I just going crazy or something? Wheels seemed pretty upset about it tonight as well.
It makes me angry too
very angry indeed
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
he's drawn more 4th quarter fouls...
than any player in the entire nba.
the refs give roy a lot of calls. he’s just been bad lately. going out of control into andrew bogut when he has 5 fouls is not going to buy you a call.
roy did it three times. miraculously the refs bailed him out on the 3rd one.
Indeed
You can’t get every call hurling yourself into the defender.
Personally, I don’t understand all the rage over the referees for this game. Lot of it should have been no calls IMHO. Or, do we forget that we also constantly gripe about a perimeter player hurling themselves at Oden and pick up a BS foul. Lot of what Roy did today (and most every game) are those kind of moves.
52 + 88 = 140% better team.
What was supposed to be a dream season,
has turned into a nightmare.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I'm growing weary of saying "next year..."
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
patience is a virtue
and time heals all wounds. any other axioms out there to deaden the pain?
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
that intensifies the pain
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
is blake the worst starting pg in the league?
maybe duhon is worse, but the dude just torched cp3 yesterday.
Hard to say for sure
But the only sentences containing “Blake” and “torched” feature “Blake” preceding “got.”
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
Duhon and Udrih and Ford are stinking it up, but it's pretty close
As said above, Blake is only a top 30 player in assists/turnovers. And we have Roy and Miller just outside the top 30 in that category, so they should be able to handle that issue quite easily.
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Udrih hasn't been close to 'stinking it up'
and he hasn’t started for about 2 weeks now.
Jason williams (not permanent however)?
Mario chalmers?
Derek Fisher?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Wow, I would take Chalmers over Blake any day of the week and twice on game days
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Chalmers is only getting 9.8 pts and 4 asts.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Yeah, but like Augustin he has way more potential offensively and in Chalmers case also defensively than Blake
Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?
Chalmers is also a nice defender.
get well soon, big guy.
#52
by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take him over Blake too.
I was just saying he’s not that great.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Is telfair starting for anyone?
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
We have arguably the worst starting point guard in the NBA and
we got a point guard who averaged 16.3 pts, 6.5 asts, 4.5 rbs, and 1.3 stls per game on better than 47% from the field last year sitting on the bench.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
another one: is webster the worst starting SF in the league?
only mbah-amoute and donte greene seem comparable.
Lets all just calm down now people!
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes
it's true, though
on initial thought, it seems like two of the worst starters in the league.
maybe that’s one of the reasons we’re suckin so bad this year.
possibly, i doubt it.
there’s probably someone worse. it’s pretty funny to consider that there were a large number of blazer fans that argued that webster was going to be an upgrade over batum.
i imagine they are rethinking that.
Mbah a Moute is an awesome defender
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
How long of a pass will KP get?
I do think he is complicit in this mess of a season. While the injuries hurt, our roster has baked for awhile.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Oh I dunno
These injuries are season ruining, he gets a pass because we’d likely be pretty good even without playing that well if Oden and Batum are around… especially Oden.
#52
Yea, that's fair.
I do think the shine is off. KP isn’t the teflon man he used to be. I still have confidence in him to make good moves. Moreso than Nate.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Winning solves all
And mediocre or bad play makes all look bad.
The front office definitely gets a pass from me this season, because the dude playing the best two-way basketball is out with a dumb unlucky injury.
#52
As long as every one plays as hard as they did tonight
No way do I give up on the players,the coach’s are testing my patience
by southern oregon on Dec 12, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Pritchard is insanely over-rated
he continues to live off his performance in the 2006 draft. he’s the first i’d like to see go. i absolutely do not trust him to handle the oden situation well this off-season or much else for that matter.
by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree that Kevin Pritchard is highly overrated by Portland fans.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Daryl Morey is great, but Otis Smith has flaws. Ra$hard Lewi$ is his most expensive blunder.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
as ridiculously over-paid as lewis is...
the magic are a real title contender and they are paying him this stupid money during a time when they might win a title.
pritchard is paying 65 million to LaMarcus Aldridge and the Blazers are not in a title window.
over-paying is almost ok under the right circumstances. pritchard probably jumped the gun with aldridge.
The Orlando Magic weren't a "real title contender" when the franchise overpaid for ...
Rashard Lewis in a sign-and-trade deal — as it was coming off a 40-42 season and in the midst of a coaching change — but even if they had been that wouldn’t’ve justified the abusrd amount of money given to him.
You, however, are right that Portland overpaid LaMarcus Aldirdge, who shouldn’t’ve been given a contract extension and had the market dictate his value as a RFA next summer.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
agreed
but only for Nate still being here (for seemingly another 2 years). You can’t argue with the talent he’s put on this team, and the way he’s been able to get it all. Until last offseason he was nearly perfect. His only failures have been in the FA and PG realm, one of which Nate is almost entirely responsible for. The other, hopefully a short stay (both actually hopefully short stays). Sergio is good, not for us. Bayless may still be good, though I’m a doubter. Oden was essential. Roy, LMA, Batum, Rudy, all massive hits, possibly the best players for their draft position all the way through. Connecting the dots stylistically was supposed to be a Nate deal. He’s just completely inflexible on that front though. He wanted Paul when we took Webster.
I find it hard to say he’s not a top 5 or 10 GM at this point.
he's not been anywhere close to perfect
people just can’t be objective when talking about this guy. go back and really look at his draft picks and what players were available.
he’s not at all what he’s cracked up to be.
Targeting and landing
Rudy and Batum with late first round picks means nothing to you then?
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by BlazersOrBust on Dec 12, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
the rudy pick was purchased, as was the sergio pick
so no. i don’t give pritchard a ton of credit for getting more players in the draft when he had an owner throwing money around. the sergio pick sucked as did the freeland pick. there were better players avaialable.
batum was a nice pick.
pritchard’s 2nd round picks have almost universally been awful and has failed to trade players when he had the opportunity.
he’s beloved by portland fans but outside of the 2006 draft i don’t think he’s done anything terribly impressive.
Does any team want $4 million extra in cap room this summer?
Steve Blake’s contract is expiring. If you need him to produce, however, you will be disappointed.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
NY and CHI seem like obvious destinations for Blake
Maybe Miami as well?
We can throw in Outlaw to get the other team about $8mil in space for the summer.
He'd be a good fit as a backup in LA.
Assuming his 3pt shooting isn’t permanently broken. As a 5th option, lounging around, waiting for 3s, and distributing in the triangle, I’d think he’d do well.
Who do you want to get...
Linus Kleiza?
Dunleavy?
Daniel Gibson?
Caron Butler?
Udoka again?
I have no idea what the salaries are but those guys seem like solid role players who have killed us in the past..
Udoka is out
…microfracture….
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
err
you might be right
An Oregonian in Texas.
by NoiseMekanik on Dec 12, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Caron Butler isn't a solid role player
the guy is really good
or in Nate’s words
“he scraps, you know. he really does some good things out there. and I also thought blake does some good things for us.”
Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.
by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
I think some deep breathes are in order
there are so many insane reactionary things being said in here its impossible to even try to process them and respond. two very close games in which we showed more passion and grit than at any time in the season is not exactly time to jump ship. sure we lost them both, but if we are going to lose any games i’ll take those two any day.
i realize they aren't in a vacuum
but can anyone really say we expected to win last night? even healthy that would be a stretch and furthermore how we lost tonight was nothing like the losses to golden state and memphis. getting blown out to terrible teams at home is nothing like losing the second of a back to back in a double overtime game against a decent team.
i didn't expect to win last night.
and the coaching staff should not have either. this is why our main guys should not have all played near 40 minutes.
tired legs lost the game tonite. if our coaches make better decision’s yesterday this is a 2 and 2 road trip.
The term Gandy Dancer refers to crew who go to the
Site of the train wreck,repair the track and salvage the rolling stock,might want hire their services
by southern oregon on Dec 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions
jerryd with words
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/12/milwaukee_108_portland_101_bla.html
Bayless, meanwhile, is doing his best not to explode. His sour face when he was pulled with 10:14 left in the fourth, despite having hit two key baskets near the end of the third quarter, told the story.
Bayless feels like he is not awarded the trust nor the freedom from the coaching staff, which often pulls him after a mistake, no matter how many positive plays he produced prior.
"I know every time I play I’ve helped this team. Every single time,’’ Bayless said before Saturday’s game. "It’s tough. Especially since, and I hate saying this, seeing these other guys (Blake and Miller) doing what they are doing. I know I can help this team. I know I can.’’
Props to Quick for FINALLY bringing it up.
I agree wholeheartedly with Bayless
Here’s the offensive playbook for every team we face:
High pick and roll on Blake.
That’s it. That’s all they need. Over and over. Seeing Blake flail helplessly. Has Dean no mercy. I felt sorry for Blake. Please stop embarassing him. You are affecting his manhood. That’s why he can even make a 3 when he’s wide open.
Please make the nightmare stop.
It was funny when when Mike Rice said about Luke Ridnour – ’he’s the perfect backup PG.’ Let’s just say – I wasn’t thinking about Luke, but Blake. Come on MR – say what you really mean.
It's a complete failure of leadership on the part of the balzer's coaches. Every game I see
leaves me wanting less of Steve Blake. That last three he clanked early in the shot clock with about a minute and a half left in OT was the turning point that let the Bucks back in it. It’s bizarre to see him getting the number of minutes he gets especially when other guards are just blowing right by him.
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