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Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Bucks--Overtime & Post-Game Edition

Discuss the extra time and then react to the game here until the recap becomes available.  Enjoy!

Note that tonight's recap will come somewhat late.  Give your best shot at an official recap until then.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Anyone else’s League Pass Broadband just shut off saying “game is complete”?

by Liface on Dec 12, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions  

mine too

‘obfhlaekj/fvnij[oafvpqbv[qbv][qej ]
1q’ogvogfv!!!!!!!

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Dec 12, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm never buying LPBB again

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Dec 12, 2009 8:09 PM PST reply actions  

Please no double OT

I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.

by SabasforThree on Dec 12, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

So wait, that was either a foul

or the Bucks player forced the ball out of bounds by pushing LMA’s hand. WTF

OMG I just jizzed in my France

by sug on Dec 12, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions  

aye

I am Spartacus and I approved this message

by EngineerScotty on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

aye

I am Spartacus and I approved this message

by EngineerScotty on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I am giving it all shes got captain

/////
((o))
/////

by Dep H on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Half our roster is redshirts right now

we need Kirk and Spock to find a way out of this

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

aren;t you a ray of sunshine?

lol

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

4.9 left, tied at 95, Blazers ball

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

unbelievable that they overturned that.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

It was hard to tell

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

that’s my thought. You can’t overturn inconclusive.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Does anyone know the replay rules?

Can the refs look at anytime or is the minute of a game?

by Oggbog on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

unless CSN isn't showing an angle that was a bad call

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That replay call was BS

OMG I just jizzed in my France

by sug on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

No way there was enough to overturn that call

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions  

Roybot time

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

Call on the court was Blazers ball.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

Bricks, second OT

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

Double OT

I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.

by SabasforThree on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

What was the replay?

I can only see the NBA tv companion!

Go Beavs, beat the *ucks!

by OBF on Dec 12, 2009 8:15 PM PST reply actions  

They missed a shot, three players went up for the rebound

Two were Bucks, one was LMA. LMA hand his hands on the ball as the Bucks players crashed into LMA sending the ball out of bounds. It was a can of corn call, that some ref with 5k on the game could not allow to happen.

OMG I just jizzed in my France

by sug on Dec 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Not necessarily... It would have been foul ball, and assuming the Blazers can hit 2-for-2 is highly dubious.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

true

I trust Miller or Roy to seal the game at that point…

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Good Game

battle of the .500 teams tonight

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions  

The baseline camera angle was so obviously off Mboute.

It wasn’t even close. They were reviewing it with the wrong angle. NBA is such a incompetent league.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:16 PM PST reply actions  

Mboute was trying to knock it out

LMA went up with two hands to grab it.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah...He touched it last, which was pretty obvious

since the angle of the ball changed.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes

I’m refreshing every 15 seconds.

It will not be fixed. NBA offers ZERO support for league pass, a completely buggy product and a total ripoff.

Boy, I wish cussing was allowed in the gameday threads about now.

by Liface on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I am sure it will be Blake again. Horrible.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

Blazers had this. Up 6 late. Bucks looked defeated

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

We got the legs for Double OT?

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

by DaNoose on Dec 12, 2009 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

put in Bayless. fresh legs plesae.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

We need Br ex in now.. High energy

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

Bucks win the ball

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

Blake passing up LMA under the basket to miss a corner three killed us.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

A jumper instead of going inside is the story of the season

or the last few seasons

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Bogut foul on the box off the ball, turnover

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

Also

how do the players leave Joel stranded on Jennings by himself? We got lucky there, even if the refs did give the ball back…

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

heh my pizza showed up at the end of REG

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I need to make an Arby's run

5-4-5 is on

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Alridge foul on Bogut, Bogut hits first free throw

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:19 PM PST reply actions  

lol wut?

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Dec 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Hits both, Bucks 97 Blazers 95

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

Bogut 2FTs Bucks up 2, 4 min.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

Mbah A Moute fouls out. Good for Roy.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

Absolutely.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Does Bogut have 5???

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

yes

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

by DaNoose on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Freethrows are nerve racking

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

by DaNoose on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

LMA hits both.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

LaMarcus makes first, makes second

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions  

switches on pick and roll sooooo predictable.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Lma misses, crap

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Delfino hits 3, Bucks up 5

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Bucks up 3 after Roy bucket.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions  

Roy hits, 99 - 102. 2;30 to go

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

3 in the key on the Bucks.

Blazers ball

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

Bogut 3 second violation. Good.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:23 PM PST reply actions  

Roy chokes game away.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

He expects them to foul out Bogut in that situation, I guess.....

Roy has played in the NBA previously, has he not???

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy stripped, Ridnour scores

Bucks up 5

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

Did anyone else here a wrist slap?

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

by DaNoose on Dec 12, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

It was clean to me.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Bogut mighta got him on the way in.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

You are probably right

Lebron gets that call everytime though…

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah.

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

by DaNoose on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

104 - 99 Bucks. Roy is pissed, Monty holds him back.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions  

I think there was a wrist slap on his way through, he lost the ball cleanly but after the slap.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

Correct. They are not gonna foul him out in this situation on a chicken call.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Bucks are just exploiting the Blazers poor pick and roll defense with 2 PGs.

Blazers going Roy on 5.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

switch switch switch switch

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate says:

We only switch in “emergencies”.

Apparently when a pick is set, its an emergency…

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 8:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Good game plan against a team that switches every time

Unless they have a dominant post player, I don’t know why every team doesn’t do that every play against them.

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Last 3 Blazers possessions: 2 blown calls

GAME

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

wow.....

Roy can not buy a call. horrible.

by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

Brandon Roy learns nothing from his previous error.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

Ilyasova misses, still 99 - 104

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

Blake OPEN 3, dribbles in, passes.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

Bogut fouls out, Roy goes to the line.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

Bogut fouls out, Roy to the line

Sounded like Bogut hit on the ball and arm

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

Blak can't keep up.

Like what you like, enjoy what you enjoy,
don't be afraid to make slurping sounds,
and don't take crap from anybody

by DaNoose on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Blazers need to write a letter to Stern like the lakers did for kobe

In regard to all the fouls not being called

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Jennings exploits the pick and roll and scores

Bucks up 5 with 42 seconds.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Blazers had Pryz chasing him from behind and LMA standing in the key watching the layup in front of his face, flatfooted, arms down.

HORRIBLE failure of team defense.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

but that would require putting bayless in… something these coaches cant/wont do.

/////
((o))
/////

by Dep H on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

You are clearly not cut out for membership on Nate McMillan's staff...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

We want to have the 3 point threats in there, like Steve Blake and Andre Miller.

Good to have Pryz in there when you need 3s also.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

The one time all fricking season when you NEED to pull the goalie and play small ball and Dean D is too dumb to do it...

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Jennings blows by Joel for the layup 106 - 101

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Why not zone

OMG I just jizzed in my France

by sug on Dec 12, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Ha ha, I'm nicking that!!!

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

hahaha

cool. just be sure to cite me ;)

by DrivetheLane on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

i might skip out on blazers games after watching this game.

our play is inbound to miller for 3 pointer? really?
blake 40 mins while bayless gets no run?

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

That missed wide open 3 by Blake was a killer.

He had LMA open down low too.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

Miller and Blake missing 3s, Bucks ball. This is over.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

Arby's run

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Can things be any more obvious?

We know what’s going to happen. How do NBA coaches not?

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

obvious? miller for 3 is obvious call for u?

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

that's not what I'm talking about

the way teams exploit our coaches by their calls (both ends). It’s not normal to get beat the same way over and over again when you have players to change things up.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL Mike Rice off mic: “LEt’s review it” sarcastically.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

heh! i wuv him like a fave uncle

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Dec 12, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Mavs win in OT 98 - 97

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

The bennies of having two teams to root for

one wins in ot and one doesn’t. noice

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Nope

The refs absolutely blew that call on the jennings missed rebound. Inexcusable.

Plus, we already know Blake sucks, like beating a dead horse….

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

kudos to LMA for his strong second half tho

and most of the team showed some fight. sadly its time i accepted the fact this team is nowhere near as talented as i thought

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 12, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

Wrong.

There is SO MUCH FREAKING TALENT. The coaching staff is collectively an idiot. See Blake’s minutes and Bayless’ minutes.

by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Awful coaching. What's new?

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

All you LPBB people gonna be mad at the replay fail by the refs

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

I bet.

I’m angry vicariously.

by torsoheap on Dec 12, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That is not the point

the point is that the Buck’s players caused that to happen, and in the NBA that call goes to the player with position.

OMG I just jizzed in my France

by sug on Dec 12, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

They seem to think that would have iced it. IT WOULD NOT HAVE.

Assuming the Blazers actually could have inbounded the ball (not a certainty, we know!) there would have been a fast foul and the Blazers would have had to hit 1/2 to ice it. Which they most probably would not have done.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

HAD TO HIT 2/2 TO ICE IT, sorry.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Bottomline:

If that call isn’t overturned, we’re celebrating Blazer victory

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve Blake was on the court.

There is no telling what happens after the free throws.

by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

it would have been a lot different than essentially missing both free throws.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, that was a really bad loss, just like last night's really bad loss.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions  

Not mad at the Blazers

More at the coaching staff and refs. The players played their guts out. That’s all I can ask for.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed.

Worried about Roy, flat out done with our coaching staff. Didn’t see the call, so not mad at the refs (yet). Not mad at the team.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Mbah a Moute hit the ball out of LMA’s hands. Inconclusive at worst, Blazer ball at best,

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Yesterday on Suns - Magic they called a jump ball on something like that

Rule interpretation at least inconsistent.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And that was super weird then too

Plus the weird 1.6 seconds left when it was a jump ball at 2.5, and out of bounds at .7…

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Ya, it probably should have been blazer...

But a jump ball would have been understandable. Rewarding it to the bucks boggles my mind…..

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I would think

That our staff is right where its head has proven it can thrive in, with a short handed under-talented team like we had in years past.

The problem is the players and Blake getting such big minutes… which is the coach’s fault. But ultimately, this is our stars regressing for whatever reason and horrible injury problems.

Being a team not expected to win and being the underdogs is right in our coach’s proven wheelhouse. I don’t see them in over their head.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I think those are two silly reasons to fire someone and the reasons for our struggles are much much simpler

Roy not playing efficiently or well, and not making good decisions is the first problem.

LMA being inconsistent is another (though was good tonight).

Blake offering NOTHING is another (which you can pin on the coaches for playing him so much).

Dre is inconsistent and prone to baaaaaad turnovers still.

Oden, Rudy, Batum, and Trout are out.

Pick and roll defense is waaaaay down there and much of it is tied to Blake.

I am extremely frustrated about Blake’s minutes, but it isn’t a reason to fire someone. The real problems are the reason we’re doing poorly even before the injuries.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

It ain't just the coaches, is all I mean.

And firing them solves nothing when our problems go deeper than pick and roll defense and the PG rotation.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I am going to pull the “did you see” card.

DID YOU SEE our offense in the first quarter? It was literally Steve dribbling for 14 seconds, going one on one, and then passing to someone to put up a bad shot.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

if we resign Blake we might kill SBN.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

At least a lot of people would get banned

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

pick and roll defense is coaching. We switch every screen. That's coaching.

The handling of Miller to start the season and the handling of Bayless now, and the permitting Roy to take the summer off. Its time for a new coaching staff.

Nate did a lot of good things for this team, but its time to replace him.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

If Blazer coaches want to hitch their jobs to Steve Blake.

That’s fine by me. Makes the decision much easier.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions  

Cut Blake :)

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:34 PM PST reply actions  

and Martell

this was one of his best games and its still just 16 points on 14 shots, which is not very good.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

to be fair, one was the abomination that he had to shoot at the end of the second OT.

he has been bad though.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh that was rough

Toughest loss of the year besides Oden. That was ours to win on the road.

by WakeUpOden on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions  

Well We played a lot tougher then we have been

atleast that is a positive for the road trip. That and Martell shows some signs of life.
Bayless continues to be really productive in his few mins.

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions  

we have already won too many games.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

rooting for a whole season of losses to have a marginally better shot at Wall makes no logical sense to me. We will have a incredibly small chance to win Wall.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don’t want losing to become the norm. Even in a down year, we need to keep a winning culture.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I think a coach means more than 10 years this year

if you get a guy like Wall or Aminu that’s just a bonus.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

we’ll get a new coach if we are bounced in the first round, probably.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate is not KP’s hire.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

truth is I lost a lot of faith in KP this offseason

hopefully he sees he put too much stock into Nate and Nate’s thoughts on the team, and we quickly eliminate Nate and the Nate guys.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's a tad unfair

by tad I mean excessively. Nate has turned the franchise around during his tenure and had ever increasing success each season. I think though he’s hit the wall. It’s totally unfair to criticize KP for it, no coach could have done more then Nate did with what he had to work with.

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

What about next year?

by JonathanPDX on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

hopefully we stay healthy.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I sure don’t want to see another lottery party. But right now all we can do is dream about the future. Besides, as awesome as John Wall is, he’d just be playing 8 minutes a night behind Steve Blake anyway.

by JonathanPDX on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, in his case I would highly doubt that since he will be better than Rose and could be as good as Wade

But the chances to land him are really very tiny, considering how bad the Nets are, and the Wolves and Warriors.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

he does some things for us.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

He hit that one three and played good defense against that one dude

(Don’t mention what he all missed)

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake had a bunch of chances from three, couldn’t land one.

By the way, we lost this game both at the end of overtime and with four minutes left. Dumb turnovers.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions  

I told myself after the Oden injury

That I’d be pleased if we just played hard, and we did.

We are short handed, at the end of a trip, every is hurt, our stars are off… I didn’t expect us to come back and force overtime. Too bad we didn’t win it, but we played hard.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

We should have won.

The problem? Blake. Last night’s problem? Blake.

by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake is having about his worst season as a pro. And he’s playing a career high in minutes.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

This loss falls squarely on Roy

He has won us quite a few games so he gets a pass, but not winning these types of games is pushing us closer and closer to a .500 team and the lottery.

#52

by blazermaniac32 on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

No it doesn't

He just wasn’t on tonight. Guess who could have been on? Bayless. This loss, like countless losses this year, falls squarely on the coaches. Roy can’t be on every night.

by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, see y'all....

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

portland got robbed

R – O – B – B – E – D

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions  

ROBBED!

I don’t even understand what you mean

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

we were robbed BY our own coaching staff....

Jus translating. not expressing my own opinion…

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

unfreaking believable...

horrific overturn by the refs and absolutely sub-par play by Roy. How many of these 5 for 25 nights are we going to endure….

by ilikescotch on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

Which blazer looks the worst right now?

My money is on Blake. a 3pt shooting, dishing PG that routinely fails at both.

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by Dep H on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

What is Steve Blake doing well right now?

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Steve Blake - Lottery Hero

Win us the lottery Blakey! Win! Win! Win!

by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Our division rivals are Blake's biggest fans.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Im gonna go watch Rudolph

He never lets me down

Those four faces on Mount Rushmore are always there to remind us that yes, if you do enough good deeds, you will change into a mountain when you die.

by ODEN on a stick on Dec 12, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions  

wrong

we lost 5 of 8 and one game we WAS ROBBED

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

2-6 in our last 8 games...

Probably should have been 3-5….

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

If Roy can't average more than 1 point per shot, we've got no chance.

Good effort from him on the glass and some nice assists, but man he can’t score at the rim at all anymore.

Really nice game from LMA today.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 8:39 PM PST reply actions  

who won the heisman?

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions  

lol

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

cool

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

But Tebow won our hearts.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

In the 3rd quarter of the Florida/Bama game

I predicted Tebow would be crying. Watching him as he bawled through the post game interview was one of the college fb highlights of the year. The guy is a jackhole.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I know SEC defenses are good, but does nobody look at stats at all?

I mean Gerhart plays the same position, and had vastly superior stats. Gerhart’s numbers were even better against the 4 ranked teams he played.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

ECB

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I was watching something on ESPN today...

and apparently the only team in the top 50 in rushing D ingram faced this year was Florida. Gerhart faced 6.

by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Never discount the ECB.

Even USC can’t escape it.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

usc has had 3 heisman winners in the last decade

and consistently gets love in the media polls. in short what are you talking about?

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

National Championship Game.

Pac 1 bias.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

if you are referring to the year that usc didn't get the title game

you can blame the ‘computer bias’ but you can’t blame east coast bias since they were ranked #1 in both media polls and in fact won the AP vote that year.

so again, what are you talking about?

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Fire Blake

Not even starter material. Great job on D, but a “three-point threat” that can’t hit is worthless. Give the start to Andre, develop Bayless.

by hobbyshop_hero on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

not even backup material tonight.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Dec 12, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Basically the only reason Blake is playing is he is supposed to be a good 3 pt shooter.

And he’s not making his threes.

Ever.

Especially when it counts.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions  

Great game for LA

(trying to find the silver lining)

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

he actually played hard tonight. 11 rebounds (2 on silly missed layups by himself) in 49 minutes is still not great, but he scored well and actually played hard defensive tonight.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Bayless

was one of our only players in the positive for the + / – stat. Him and Howard. There are some serious problems with this team.

Portland > Tacoma

by CaptainSexyJacob on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

serious problems

let me address those problems in order of significance

1. Oden out
2. Rudy out
3. Outlaw out
4. Batum out
5. Pendergraf and Mills out
6. Blake poor play
7. Brandon not 100%
8. Questionable coaching
9. Back-stabbing “fans”

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think if the team was at full strength (no injuries) ...

… Brandon would have less pressure to carry the team and his success rate would go up

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

He was doing poorly when we were only missing Batum, and then Trout though

He hasn’t been able to get separation from his man, is shooting way too many jumpers, his ballhandling and balance is off…

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Poorly is relative of course

Roy is still good but is not close to as good as he was last year.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

And that is the simplest and most obvious and best reason we are a mediocre team now

Tied with, or right behind, Oden being out.

Our PG play is a lot less of a problem if Roy is being a better playmaker.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

And I say that

Being completely fed up and frustrated watching Blake offer nothing.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions  

1-7 from three.

HE IS A THREE POINT SPECIALIST.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake has lost all confidence

that’s just another reason to Start Miller

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I will be so happy if /when they start Miller.

I thought Jason Quick said Miller was practicing with the starting line up…and Rudy was in there also…guess when Nate got hurt that all went in the trash??

by Natsthecat on Dec 12, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

yea I do think there is more going on with Roy then we know

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Since yesterday I'm pretty convinced he is ill or hurt

Old Roy made some brief cameos tonight, but all in all he just looks slooooooow. He can still hit those shots, but his athleticism isn’t there.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Even when making those cameos

He’s making shots from mid-range because he can’t get separated from his man… it’s just strange to see.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

coaching

should be a little(lot) higher up the list

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by Dep H on Dec 12, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

maybe 5 or 6

I’m flexible (sometimes)

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed...

Not sure if its the slimming down or not working on his game or what but he’s far from the player he was last year.

by ilikescotch on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

A lot of room

for disagreement on how 2-4 should be ordered. 5-8. But overall, yeah.

"...the rumblings grew louder. Dribble. Dribble. Fake. Dribble. Fake. Shoot. ...a towering dark shadow too terrible to describe. In its hand it held a huge black globe and on its chest was written in cruel runes, 'Villanova.' 'Aiyee,' shouted Legolam. 'A ballhog!'"

by ShelbyC on Dec 12, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It's frustrating how other teams always take advantage of mismatches better

It seems like every game the blazers have a harder time stopping the other team’s option than they have of stopping Roy. Part of this is his aggression, him taking a step back this year, there not being as much shooters to space and of course our D making the other guy look better. However, there are other teams with bad defense. When we can’t stop their guys they keep attacking, but when they can’t stop Roy he stops himself. If I was a fan of another team I’d be happy the blazers are playing the way they do because you don’t fear them.

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

Rudolph in 1080P Nice

On game day, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing. Nate Mcmillian 11/26/09

by slim503 on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

Not a big fan of Z-Bo in HD

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

People are complaining about Blake a lot...

but Miller had some pretty costly turnovers, and half of his shots were Travis-esque.

by jmark on Dec 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions  

...So?

Steve Blake dude. Steve Blake.

by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller also got us easy buckets and steals.

Blake doesn’t do anything on the court besides taking up space.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

As opposed to

all of his shots being travis-esque in ol’ stevie?

by AnotherBeaverFirstDown on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions  

We knew after last year we needed an upgrade over Blake

and before the season that Miller wasn’t a right fit. We need to see if Bayless can play with Roy long minutes and if not then find someone who can play with him.

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

We should be a team

or we could be not make the playoff!!!

by stellera on Dec 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions  

We are tied with OKC! Woot!

Apologies to Bill Simmons. You are the greatest prognosticator alive.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST reply actions  

and they have played a much much tougher schedule.

they are the better team right now, and it isn’t close.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

it isn’t a surprise that a team built to win regular season games with no major injuries is able to win more games than a team with four key players out of action.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy, Travis, and Nic have almost no injury history.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

travis has been insanely durable

but rudy has had problems with his back continually and nic had problems with the shoulder most of last year.

roy has also been injury prone as has martell webster. przybilla and oden also have iffy histories.

in short the majority of our rotation players have regularly missed games.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy has had one injury, supposedly stemming from the Ariza incident. Thus, not injury prone.

Nic has had one injury, the shoulder. Not injury prone.

Travis has had one injury, the foot. Not injury prone.

Martell has had one injury, not injury prone.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Why do people keep comparing us to OKC.

Entirely different types of teams and situations.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

They are on the rise, and rising quickly

We are in danger of becoming the next Baby Bulls and Hornets story.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice Ben
After 31/11 on a bum ankle tonight, a vindicated LaMarcus Aldridge is considering tattooing a y chromosome on his face to silence critics.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions  

2 years out of high school comparison… Steve Blake puts up 7/7/3 in ACC. Brandon Jennings hangs 18/11/4 on hapless NBA vets like Blake.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he said on the Wingcast that Nate dodges every question relating to the rotation.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I complained because he doesn't consistently try hard

then he puts out a lot of effort and has a good game. I should feel stupid why? I’ve been saying he just hasn’t been trying this season and tonight showed that. If he had put out that effort we could have won some of these recent games we lost. He doesn’t try for weeks and then goes hard for one game? You’re my hero.

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know what to think

The refs (and Steve Blake’s shot rimming out) took it away.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions  

What will it take?

Honestly, it will take a Blake injury to get bayless any minutes. This is rediculous.

Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.

by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not looking forward to Nate's return.

Because it’ll just be more of the same. We have the George W. Bush of coaching staffs.

by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

I wonder if some stupid statistical hire the Blazers made has told the team that Steve Blake is one of the best players in the NBA, a la Wayne Winston with the Mavs.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:51 PM PST reply actions  

SYNERGY

Says he is good at defense, and Nate said he and the staff look at Synergy stuff…

Synergy has been bought out by Warkentien I bet!!

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Everything else Synergy showed

Matches what most of us see, so it makes sense, except for the Blake stuff…

Crazy. Makes me not know what to think.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if they don’t take account for switches or Ben wasn’t looking in the right spot with the pick and roll D?

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Ben made it up

So that it looks like he is saying something fair about Blake, and not 100% in favor of Bayless, so it looks more realistic.

BUT HE CHOSE THE WRONG LIE.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually the biggest investor in Synergy is Cuban, and the head is a Suns guy

I would put out the hypothesis that Oden swatting away stuff and scaring away players helped Blake’s defensive rating in some way.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, Wayne Winstons system at least shows players like Kidd, Durant, LeBron, Deng, Dirk on top.

So that makes some sense. Dirk today hit the shot to force OT and the game winner by the way. That’s what he does ;)

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

So many passes to nonexistent cutters

But we did show that if we move the ball around, things go well.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 12, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

Huge game by Aldridge tonight!

Roy was clutch if not efficient. Miller was turnovers and more turnovers, Blake was missed threes, Bayless wasn’t allowed in the game.

Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.

by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 8:53 PM PST reply actions  

Roy had so many layups rim out

In the 2nd in particular.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Dec 12, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Can I just ask...

I keep hearing “Blake is teh worstest evah!”

Well, maybe. I’d say he’s exposed by fast slashing PGs and the NBA is trending to fast, slashing PGs, but…

Is it Blake’s fault? Is there any question the guy is dogging it out there or something? I’d say no way.

So if Blake is the problem, why is he a problem? He doesn’t put himself in the games. Look elsewhere.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions  

who else overplays Blake?

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I know I don't.

He barely gets into 2k10 when I’m involved.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Hello new fan

He’s our designated whipping boy this year, Outlaw had this role last year. WHenever we lose, it is (whipping boy’s) fault.

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by skywaker9 on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake is a problem, and so is our staff's reliance on him

But for my money, the real problem is something is wrong with Roy. Roy being good is what made it possible to have Blake as a PG on a good team. If Roy is off, Blake just looks awful.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

This year, yes

But Roy hasn’t had a game where he looked at good as last year. His playmaking and ability to break down the defense isn’t there.

Makes Blake even worse, since he has to do more than hit an open 3. Once he is doing more, he looks baaaaaaaad.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

No one's saying it's Blake's fault that he sucks. But yeah, he sucks

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Its definetetly a coaching problem.

No question about it.

The question is whether the change will be made or if the injuries will allow Nate to keep his job.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm sick of Nate McMillan's offense, which is a combination of Coach K's more pure zone offense ...

and a heavy dose of Brandon Roy iso ball to give it that dose of NBA flavor. Portland needs to either hire a guy who runs a pro style offense involving lots of high pick-‘n’-rolls and side screen-rolls (e.g., Jeff Van Gundy) or bring in someone who runs a more complex offense (e.g., Mike Fratello), so opponents won’t have an easy time shutting down the team.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

This is true

But there is as much if not more anti-coach criticism as well, so they balance out. Both are at fault, Blake for being incompetent for his 35+ minutes and the coaches for playing him that long.

Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.

by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I look at him, and I don't see incompetence.

I see a guy who is being put in a position to fail. If he’s not deployed properly, he’s not much good to you. Not every guy you run out is going to be some sort of all-around wonder player like Roy or Oden. It would be good if that were taken into account. It looks as though when McMillan doesn’t have a bench full of extravagant talent to throw at a problem, bad things happen. Maybe I’m wrong – I’m not a constant watcher.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I would say that is accurate

Blake can’t look good without the guys next to him playing well, and Roy hasn’t been playing like himself allllll year. Nor LMA, though that is more expected and not going to make Blake look as bad as Roy not playing well.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake isn't hitting his open 3's

He’s put in a position to succeed, but he has failed this year. There’s no harm in calling a bad player bad.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

If he's not doing what he is supposed to be doing, then he needs to sit.

Then the question becomes, who fulfills the “spacing” role Blake is meant to play?

It isn’t Miller or Bayless, that isn’t their game. They are good scorers, but not in that way, especially Miller.

So you either ditch the role Blake is playing, which is flexible coaching, or you keep playing Blake and hope he shoots his way out of it.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I still have hope for Bayless’ shooting. He was hitting threes in summer league and is said to be one of the most consistent shooters in practice by the shooting coach. He’s improved his stroke a lot this year, hitting a high percentage of long 2s. 2-7 on threes doesn’t tell us much.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The shot looks good to me

Much better release, more fluid, less shot putty… and of course he shot well with the shorter 3 line in college.

I’d like to see it fail before I think it would.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Which opposing player is exactly afraid to defend Blake?

Nobody respects his drives to the hoop, and his outside shot is not so dangerous – at least this year where he goes back to his career averages – that people would be in a hurry to run out at him.

He had like one great pass tonight when he hit Joel on a cut. The alley-oop to Lamarcus was from Miller if I remember correctly.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy alley ooped to LMA as well

We hadn’t seen that much, ever.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

for what its worth Bayless has shot the ball much better than Blake from just inside the line this year.

of course, Bayless is just 2 for 7 on threes this year but Blake is now down below 35%. There’s a chance Bayless could shoot 35% if given the chance. He’s shot the ball very well from ~18 feet this year.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions  

i do not think Blake’s chart should be linked to the term “hotspots.”

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Blake and Martell's shooting percentages make me want to cry.

They are two of the worst two point shooters in basketball right now, and they aren’t shooting at the 38+ 3 point clip needed to make up for that.

We are among the weakest teams in the league at starting PG (possibly the worst) and starting SF.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't really bemoan Webby's game tonight

thought he played allright

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

his defense has really taken a hit since the start of the year.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel sorry for him

he took that noggin knocker of Joel and another one later to the dome. He deserves some Tylenol and and ice bag, not criticism. Webby was working tonight.

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

he was ok

its sad when 16 points on 14 shots is a good game without much of an impact outside of scoring constitutes one of his better games in a while, though.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

6-14 FG 3-6 on 3's 4 boards

that’s not a terrible line by any stretch, stretch

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

no but its not very good either.

if he did that consistently, he’d be fine as a starting SF. Unfortunately, it was one of his best games.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree Web needs to be more consistent

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He did. I liked his attempts to take some closer shots, too. What kills us on his position is having no second SF to back him up forcing the odd 3-guard lineups with 3 guards that are really rather small. If Nic could start and Martell backed him up splitting minutes at about 20 with the last 8 taken by Roy and Rudy, I would be totally fine with that.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't speak for anyone else.

I’ve been calling for schematic changes for the better part of 3 years. Even as I saw our win totals start to balloon. I do think Bayless can stand in the corner like Blake does to space the floor. Bayless is just more likely to attack the basket when he receives the ball when the defense is off balanced.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Why not try it.

What would you lose by starting him and seeing if he’d play under control or whatever. If the 3pt numbers are the same, the threat of a drive, and especially drive and dish, makes him more a threat, I’d imagine.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we're on the same page here.

Maybe not start Bayless, but definitely rein in Blake’s minutes.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, I got an email from Paul (Mr. Allen to you.)

It looks like we’re finally gonna get our chance (collectively) to coach the Blazers. He’s going to “Crowdsource” the whole thing, with plays called in by blogs, and twitter. Should be a real step forward.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

We had a thread about that on BE like a year ago

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

No

everybody else is omniscient here. You should be too.

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'll work on it.

Stop doing that! I can see you.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, he isn't even hitting his wide open 3's

Which is what he “does”.

Our problems begin and end with Roy not playing up to his capabilities, and NOTHING else we do or change will mean anything if Roy isn’t playing consistently good.

It makes all other problems moot, since there is no fix… just our key guys playing better.

HOWEVER since this isn’t a year we need to win every game, Bayless should get a looooooooooot more minutes. He looked good next to Roy out there tonight. AND it’s not like his play has hurt us at all, so we aren’t sacrificing wins by playing him.

Such a bummer to watch.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

But, we played hard

It wasn’t a question of effort tonight, but of execution, turnovers, some unlucky breaks, missed FTs, and Roy not being Roy still.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy is 2nd year Roy right now.

We need 3rd year Roy.

We also need a new coach.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions  

It could well be that Blake understands that Miller should be starting, or at least playing more,

and that creates a psychological tension that disrupts his game, not to mention other players. I undermines confidence in the coach. The players certainly have a feel for what “makes sense” in a game. Coach needs to “make sense”.

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by Berkeley on Dec 12, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

To all of you mypoic Jerryd Bayless fans, he'd've most likely fouled out before ever reaching 40 minutes.

Now, with that said, Steve Blake sucks and Andre Miller is a poor fit next to Brandon Roy, but Bayless — who’s a natural ballside wing (i.e., the 2) in the high-low zone offense — is just as abysmal defensively as either one of the other two point guards. Until this team acquires a talented defensive off guard like Kirk Hinrich to play the 1, the perimeter defense will stay porous and Nate/Dean’s horrible coaching of pick-and-roll defense will keep being abused.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply actions  

at some point, you have to let the game influence your opinion of Bayless. He was the best defensive guard we had and played under control on offense. Sure, it was only eighteen minutes… but he wasn’t actively killing us like Blake was at points.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

He was playing good, active defense

And was breaking down the defense with his drives and hitting his jumpers.

Bayless was doing well.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions  

If he's the best defensive guard, then Portland is screwed from the get-go. And, no, I still abhor his ...

street ball style of offense wherein he selfishly puts his head down and guns to the basket with reckless abandon. At best, Bayless will develop into a Louis Williams type who has an overly high usage rate for a supposed role player and puts up empty stats on a bad team.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

he wasn’t doing that tonight. He played within the offense, had a nice play where he moved along the three point line to receive a dish from Roy, and played very active and somewhat effective defense.

He is playing under control thus far this season.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

It's nice that Jerryd Bayless can play within himself once in awhile, but I wouldn't hold my ...

breath about it becoming a long-term quality of his. Just like when people were extremely excited over LaMarcus Aldridge’s short-lived improved play after the All-Star break last season, some things are just anomalies.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

there is the possibility that he may have learned from the year on the bench, no?

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That's a bit much, I think.

Maybe he’s your leader of the 2nd unit, sees about 25-30 minutes a night, and picks up the scoring slack while Roy gets some rest. What’s wrong with that?

I think you’re running down a pretty effective game too much because it doesn’t look like Princeton.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

rec for "he'd've"

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Most people want Bayless to be just given a chance when Blake plays as poorly as does.

Bayless can’t seem to earn any more minutes no matter how well he is playing. I think your strawman response hurts your credibility here.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I, too, can't stand Steve Blake and am all for offering him, Travis Outlaw, and cash considerations ...

to the Chicago Bulls for Kirk Hinrich. I, for the life of me, still don’t get why Kevin Pritchard targeted a pure point guard this off-season in Andre Miller, who anyone with any basketball knowledge would be a poor stylistic fit in Nate McMillan’s system and Brandon Roy’s ball dominant playing style. As it is, I don’t think that Pritchard and McMillan are on the same page regarding what they personally expect out of the 1 on offense; otherwise, a flashly playmaker like Sergio Rodriguez and an undersized 2 like Jerryd Bayless would’ve never been drafted, while Miller would’ve never been targeted in free agency.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I always assumed Sergio was Allen's pick.

Bayless was a Pritchard pick for sure. I’m not high on him, but he may be the best of the worst options we have at this point of the season. Pritchard and McMillan don’t seem to be on the same page as of late. But the first few guys brought in fit within Nate’s schematics. PGs look to be the big issue.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Paul Allen paid to acquire Sergio Rodriguez's draft rights, but targeting a Euro seems to be ...

a KP specialty and likely a move that he pushed for by pleading his case with Allen.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

I assume they both liked the idea

He was a kid who could be real good, or mediocre, who knew back then? He was just a pick because we could, and then you see what ya got.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

And I ain't a Sergio fan

But I got nooooooooo problem with taking a flyer on a kid like that, fit or no fit.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Too bad our team doesn't have a system that is perfect for it....

"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener

by Berkeley on Dec 12, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

With all due respect to Paul Westphal, he won in Phoenix due to the ...

abundance of talent at his disposal. When Westphal was in Seattle, the results weren’t so pretty. Sacramento is more like late-90s/early-2000s Seattle than early-’90s Phoenix.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Sacramento is a utopic destination for Sergio Rodriguez.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I am glad KP likely got less for Sergio

To put him in a nice place that he can thrive in. We likely coulda’ got more for him, a higher draft pick.

Since the “more” wouldn’t likely be game-changing or whatever, I like we put him in the perfect place for his career.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you, which is why I'm sad Travis Outlaw wasn't dealt ...

this past off-season to a team that could’ve had more short-term use for him like the New Jersey Nets. That way, Outlaw could’ve tricked a team into overpaying him in the summer of 2010.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what bums me out about his injury

I hoped he’d go somewhere he could really show his scoring off, get a big deal, and be happy.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Sergio was far better here, and is far better overall

than anyone gives him credit for. Look at his age and his numbers. Slightly trend them up from his averages over the years and he’s a solid point guard, at minimum a stud off the bench.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

My main objection to him, and I assume many of the people that cheered for his departure, was that his presence blocked the development of Bayless...

It was pretty much an “either/or” deal between Sergio and Rex. ONE of those guys was the “developing young PG” and the other one was going to be gone.

Bringing in Andre for two years — with an option for a 3rd year if he rocks the house, which he isn’t doing to date — can be viewed or rationalized as a stopgap until Bayless is ready to assume the reins…

The key thing now is that Blake has got to be gone by the end of the year, because he is in the role analogous to Sergio last year — blocking Rex’s development by his presence.

It’s now pretty clearly an “either/or” between Blake and Bayless, the way things sit.

We’ll see how it shakes out.

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by timbo on Dec 13, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

he is in the worst offensive scheme this league has seen since Boylan’s 07 Bulls. Still playing great defense.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

People said that last season when Kirk Hinrich came back from a wrist injury, and they all ...

looked like fools come playoff time. And, well, it looks like things will play out that same way this season. Once Hinrich gets back into the swing of things from his recent thumb surgery, he’ll be on a tear come playoff time again. Let us just hope it’s not with a team like, oh, the Los Angeles Lakers.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

We honestly have no idea about Chicago.

That is a team “playing” to get its coach fired.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Vinny Del Negro doesn't need any help in getting himself fired, which should happen soon.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't need it.

But, man, he’s getting it.

This is a team that was like Dracula in the playoffs and now they can’t be bothered to lose by less than 20 every night?

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

You can't judge that because you have never coached

Vinny Del Negro, a pure sophomore coach among coaches, using that as his defense. Priceless.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

True,

you can’t really get the stench of quitting until you’ve coached it.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

pretty much agree with everything

except the Kirk Hinrich part

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Post from a myopic Jerryd Bayless fan

I thought coach said you had to earn your minutes. Explain how Blakey has been earning his.

by Tim Tim on Dec 12, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Get him quick, before the Grizzlies do.

He’s a ton of fun to watch, and matched with Bayless and Rudy (when he comes back) well, you know the shot’s going up quick. He’s allergic to D, but that should be ok.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

You know, one night, it's just gonna fall for all of them in Memphis,

and then they’re gonna score about 180. And give up, oh, 175.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Bosh hasn't entirely bailed.

His offense is important to him. His D, he’s completely abandoned, as has all of Tor. It’s just amazing to see, Raptors are like the best YMCA team ever.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder what Synergy says about his defense

Are his defensive stats (as untrustworthy as they might be) still good?

If so, the same bad offense BUT gooder defense is worth it.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

he has a really good defensive on/off this year. In the neighborhood of five, I tihnk.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he gets traded at the deadline, but not to Portland

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Kirk Hinrich gets dealt to the Lakers and wins a ring, which'll make me happy for him.

Adam Morrison, Jordan Farmar, and Josh Powell’s expiring contracts should be enticing enough to make Chicago finally deal Hinrich to a deserving contender.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

It makes a lot of sense.

All teams, not just PDX, might be turned off by those off-court rumors of Hinrich, and his returned shooting woes.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Memphis was. But LA might not be.

Whatever, Bulls need to make a move to get the cap space for Bosh/Wade/Johnson (1) plus let Tyrus walk. And since I doubt Salmons does them the favor of opting out, they have to trade either him or Hinrich or both.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I still expect John Salmons will exercise his ETO this summer, even though he's ...

stunk thus far this season.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm still trying to figure out what thsoe off-court rumors surrounding Kirk Hinrich are ...

even, as the one thing that crosses my mind is drug usage — although he’s never tested positive for anything — but who knows.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

i read on a bulls forum

when that rumor surfaced that he’s kind of a d*uche towards fans in public.

but still, that’s not too significant.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

If the intenet Bulls fans are an indication of how they are in person

Then no wonder he’d be a d-bag to them. Dropped in at Blogabull lately?

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Shoot, that's cool with me. I'm sure a lot of fans are annoying to deal with for ...

most professional athletes. Then again, Kevin Pritchard seems like one of those lamebrained corporate chumps who thinks that how players deal with the public is important. Ugh, I hate that “culture” nonsense.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

i too think the extreme emphasis on character is a bit farsical

the fans stopped going to games in 04, 05, 06 because the team sucked and had little to cheer for, not because ZBo and DMiles were here.

but i doubt that was the reason we passed on Kirk. Hell, we don’t even know if there was a trade in place to land him.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's all conjecture regarding trade talks.

Anyway, you’re 100% correct about how winning will put butts in the seats more than anything else. Except in extreme cases (e.g., Ruben Patterson), character isn’t a major issue when it comes to evaluating a professional athlete.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Hinrich...how do I say this...

likes to dress up as a woodland creature. And then he…

No, this is a family site.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I have my sources, direct or indirect.
Can’t really discuss this here since nothing is of course proven. Look at when his stats dropped. You might have seen some photos of Kirk and Duhon partying, then think about what they did next with Duhon. You can also check the blog of Wendell and Dwight who made some remarks about Kirk being available for cheap but the Blazers passing.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Getting sloshed and partying with girls sounds like a good time to me, even if ...

it extends from down at the bar all the way up to the hotel room. Oh, and as the old adage goes, the more the merrier.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

If I was Kirk Hinrich, I'd con Chris Duhon into doing a snake draft ...

and having the 2nd and 3rd picks. Well, at least in that case with those prospects.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

speaking of drafts....

check out this one…

http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=355091

The draft is about halfway down the first post. Every player came with their real life contract. Depth charts and salaries are further down in the post.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, one of the Lavrinovic twins.

Off the court, they’re like the Lithuanian Kobe Bryant.

Nobody knows what really happened in that case, though.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as Kirk Hinrich can control his booze and isn't playing out on ...

the court too hungover the next day, then I’d be fine with his extracurricular activites.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Scratch that, I'm sticking to my guns that Dallas acquires a center by the deadline and ...

shocks the world by winning the 2010 NBA Finals. So, even if the Los Angeles Lakers obtain Kirk Hinrich, I must stand by my original prognostication.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd let you come off the Dallas prediction

although, I’ve been a fan of their play, specifically Dirks. He’s so clutch he doesn’t even know it (but he does).

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I must stick with the Dallas prediction, which is especially because I can bask in ...

the glory of being right if it does comes to fruition. That said, though, Dallas is a damn fine team and it isn’t a stretch to see them pull off what Houston did in the mid-’90s.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a big Carlisle fan.

Seeing as how he destroyed (Larry Brown’s) the Pistons defense. But they have one great roster.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I usually think your trade proposals are goofy, but I can see this working for both sides...
I think Kirk Hinrich gets dealt to the Lakers and wins a ring, which’ll make me happy for him.
Adam Morrison, Jordan Farmar, and Josh Powell’s expiring contracts should be enticing enough to make Chicago finally deal Hinrich to a deserving contender.

Bulls would want some money to pay for Adam Morrison, I’ll bet. That guy is completely valueless.

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Dec 13, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

You can take Sergio Rodriguez, while I'll take Kirk Hinrich. I'm a fan of top-notch defenders, though.

Oh, I guarantee you Hinrich would absoutely shut down “Spanish Chocolate” in a one-on-one matchup.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I like you

But your opinion on either Kirk Hinrich or Jerryd Bayless can absolutely not be trusted. Bayless has been pretty good, and Hinrich has been atrocious. Steve Blakes numbers are better across the board. I am a HInrich fanboi for what its worth. Kirk has been TERRIBLE this year.

RUDY > MJ
#52

by Rudiculous on Dec 12, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Kirk Hinrich will be fine by season's end, although it's good not to trust someone on everything. I, ...

like everyone else, has been wrong before in life. Nobody is right 100% of the time, so it’s always good to question others.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions  

The last couple games have been within a few points

And Brandon has shot around 35%. I don’t know what happened to his efficiency from last year, but if it was there, we win last night and tonight.

Not to say we don’t have lots of other problems, particularly on the defensive end, but those problems wouldn’t feel so soul crushing if our offense was hitting.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions  

33%

Broy was 8 of 24. It isn’t that he wasn’t on, it was poor shot selection. It’s time to quit calling it Broy’s team. Brandon can’t carry the team. When he tries, he forces too many shots. Worse, the only reason Blake is playing is because Brandon wants him in. Time for the coaching staff to do their job and bag this broy’s team stuff.

by Tim Tim on Dec 12, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions  

Roy came right out and said he doesn't CARE who starts at PG..he just didn't want to

play SF anymore. Show him how much EASIER it is to get buckets with Andre and he will defintely have a preference. The coaching staff has COMPLETELY FAILED to let those two get used to playing with each other.

by Natsthecat on Dec 12, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

eh, its clear Miller hasn't fit in well here.

I largely blame the coaches for never giving it a chance to work, but I don’t mind trading him, especially if we get something decent back.

I would prefer a new coach who had some idea how to use Miller, but that’s probably not happening.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate does not seem to send that signal in interviews

I doubt we see a big trade, though I wouldn’t be against it.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I read on another post that the players aren't happy with the coaching...

I think KP will have the last say and I REALLY hope they keep Miller and can Nate’s butt.

by Natsthecat on Dec 12, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

What is Blake's trade value?

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Well...

If you cut him, you might get someone better from D league.

by Tim Tim on Dec 12, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions  

When Skiles inserted Ridnour for Redd

midway through the first OT, I wished our coach would do the same with Jerryd and Blake.

Woulda been a great move, but our coach sucks.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions  

I just got back from having dinner and watching the last overtime.

How’s everyone doing? It was probably best I wasn’t online for that overtime.

by Timmay! on Dec 12, 2009 9:11 PM PST reply actions  

I'm pretty upset

not with how the team played but how the refs robbed the PTB of a win. It really makes being a fan difficult. I know human error is a part of the reffing business, but there is no excuse for blatant bias and wrong-doing. What the refs did tonight was no different then what Tim Donaghy did on any night.

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

i have a hard time putting that totally on the refs. I would have liked a jump ball with that unclear out of bounds play. But nobody forced Miller to turn it over, Roy to lose the ball yelling, and Blake to brick wide open threes.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

I am not mad at us for losing since we played hard, but we gave the Bucks ample chances to take the game from us… and they gave us lots of chances to take it from them as well.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

yea but look

the refs made the call out of bounds to portland 12 seconds left and a 2 point lead. then they take an inordinate amount of time to review it and without conclusive evidence of any sort to overturn the call they do anyways. Milwaukee reprieved, scores, wins. Blame— Refs.

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions  

well what does common sense say?

they reviewed it, M&M said the rule states the last two minutes possession calls can be replayed. Wouldn’t one think it likely for a call to be overturned evidence must exist to merit such a call. Sheeminy crickets

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I suppose this one hurts the team. Fighting back and forcing a not anymore expected OT, blowing open a lead and then giving it away on also an arguable decision.

I hope if changes were planned KP pulls the trigger now. If they want to continue to play like that, we’ll have a hard time reaching the playoffs. And at some time Nate needs to make decisions about how he wants to play in the future, and with whom.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Everything we do the rest of the way

Has to have the future in mind. Just like in the “old” days.

Player development, as long as they ain’t mucking up too much. An eye for next season.

Bayless, Batum, need major minutes with Roy and LMA.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions  

This feels like the rebuilding team of 3-4 years ago

I’m afraid this is going to be a very long season no matter what changes are made. My eye is really on next years team. Sigh

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions  

There are no changes that can be made to save the season

And I truly hope no changes are made in an attempt to save the season.

We are not the team we thought we were until Oden is back, and Roy is closer to what he was before.

Until those things happen, we gotta play for the future, as a team and as fans.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

the team can’t make a major overhaul to save this season.

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

"Until...Roy is closer to what he was before."

If he can return to that form this season and LMA plays with the effort he did tonight every night they can get the 8th spot. However, I think Roy’s problems are from taking the summer off, so he can’t just turn it on and LMA hasn’t shown he can do this consistently. They’re capable, but they’re so thin they’d have to play inspired ball and even when they were winning earlier it was mostly because they just out-talented weaker teams. The problem is they’d have to beat out OKC, Houston or Utah for the final spot and right now those teams are more talented so we’d have to outplay them.

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Dec 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree on the no significant changes to the roster..

I still like and support our players.
I obviously have lost confidence in the coach, and welcome a change as soon as a good replacement can be had.

"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener

by Berkeley on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Arg!

Don’t give up the ship. You’ve got a top 3 SG, you’ve got a scoring PF, you’ve got several guys to run point, more or less well. You’ve got a defensive C. And you’ve got a SF who stands around and jacks shots. Well, it’s not perfect, but its not the end of the world. You’re going to get guys back soon too.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Oi.

Maybe not at this moment, but I’ve watched him be that guy this very year. Even the potential for that is more than 27 other teams have.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

We've seen about 1/4 of a season so far.

Seriously, Blazers lost to the team with the best record in the east last year, and then in double OT on a back to back. That is far from the end of the world.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

forget these two games.

I’m talking about 25 games. Roy’s level of play has dropped dramatically from last year over 25 games.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you should trade him to the Rockets

for TMac.

We loves us some dysfunctional All-NBA talent.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That was an all-star nod for the team as a feel-good story 2 years ago

He definitely won’t have that this year, unless Portland turns into the lovable scrappy underdog who is staying in the playoff hunt.

by Timmay! on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It's enough to be fine most nights

We can make the playoffs if the real Roy somewhat returns.

I’m happy with whatever happens, as long as we are trying out there. A whole lot of poop has happened to us this year that we can’t do a thang about.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I still 100% believe in our future

When Oden can play 30+ minutes a night.

But until then, we won’t be a very good team if Roy struggles, as we rode him hard last season to our 54 wins, and he was awesome. If he ISN’T awesome, we just don’t got enough.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions  

if oden...

can play 30 minutes a night for a full season.

that’s clearly an if at this point.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Yup

It’s an if.

But, we ain’t gonna be great unless it happens.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

You’re going to get guys back soon too

Who? Pendy and Mills? Not enough. Outlaw, Batum, and Oden are not going to come back soon enough. If either of them come back this season it may help a little, but I can’t believe it puts us over the top of anyone above us

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

This hasn't been discussed too often here, but I believe Kevin Pritchard and Nate McMillan have different ...

philosophies regarding basketball. That, along with Pritchard’s inane love affair with best players available over stylistic fit and McMillan being stubborn, has created a bad mix between a GM and head coach.

What kind of coach was Pritchard when he held that gig in Portland? If anything, that might shed some light on specifics regarding the philosophical differences between him and McMillan.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 9:12 PM PST reply actions  

Look at the history of KP's moves.

Przybilla, Blake, Batum, Rudy, Dante, LMA, and Roy. They all fit Nate’s system.

Compared with Sergio, Bayless, and Miller.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Przy wasn't a KP move.

Rudy, Batum and LMA would arguably be much better in a more uptempo system.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm saying there's no substantial evidence to back up Ak1984's assertion

We targeted Hedo and Milsap first before Miller.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Paul Millsap wouldn't've fit, either, while Hedo Turkoglu is falling apart due to age.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I rag on both of 'em.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Man,

and aldridge had about sealed it with those dunks on the break. me and my brothers were so pumped! :(

Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.

by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions  

More terrible dribbling turnovers from Andre Miller late in the game.

Zero Bayless late in the game.

Well played Dean.

"Sometimes that light at the end of the tunnel is a train."
-- Charles Barkley

by halo_on on Dec 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST reply actions  

Where are those people that thought Hinrich was just a slight upgrade over Blake?

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions  

At this point

I think I’m a slight upgrade over Blake.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Can we just play with 4 players instead of Blake on the floor?

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I like playing 4 on 4 more than 5 on 5

Imagine how well we could space the floor with only 4 guys!

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe, due to all our injuries

We can petition the league to let us go back to 6 on 5.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions  

i really wanted hinrich over the summer

but kirk is having a worse year than blake.

Kirk: 8pts, 4asts, 3rebs, 29mins, 34% FG (!!!), 29% from 3. PER= 7.5!
Blake: 7pts, 4asts, 3rebs, 30mins, 37%FG, 36% from 3, PER= 9.3

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

It's about his defense though

HOWEVER, we’d definitely be bitching about Hinrich with how we are struggling as a team if we went and got him. His offensive stats are ABYSMAL.

But, his defense is why we should get him, if we do.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed.

i’d welcome a hinrich deal right now.

it seems as if he needs a change as bad as we do.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

huh?

Kirk Hinrich has been just as dreadful as Blake this year.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

okay...

i should have said “slightly worse,” (referring to the PER difference) although as the poster above me replied, the defense probably would have made up the difference.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Hinrich has been as bad as Blake this year

he’s been absolutely god awful. he would appear to be a huge upgrade but based on this season i’m glad that’s not a move we made.

they’ve both been awful.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Kirk Hinrich is still a stud defender and will be absolutely good to go on offense by the playoffs.

People doubted Hinrich just like this around the same time last season and were proven wrong during the post-season, so history seems to be repeating itself.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions  

he had a nice series against boston

but outside of that he’s been disappointing every since his 07 season when he earned the big pay check.

i really wanted him at the trade deadline last year and i think he would have helped but i’m not sure he’s really an answer.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

His offense has been awful

But his defense has remained consistently good to great according to all reports.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

that's interesting

opposing per and his on court / off court stats would not seem to indicate that his defense is good.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Opponent PER is a garbage stat, while Kirk Hinrich's -5.3 net points allowed per 100 ...

possessions thus far this season is an outstanding number. Mor than anything, let’s get the facts straight.

http://www.82games.com/0910/09CHI4.HTM#onoff

Oh, and with regards to opponent PER, Kirk Hinrich has a nice number of 14.6. It’s still a garbage stat, though.

http://www.82games.com/0910/0910CHI.HTM

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

opposing per is a garbage stat because it doesn't indicate...

that your boy kirk hinrich is a top notch defender?

btw the number on my screen reads 16.4 not 14.6 unless i misunderstand it. i’m pretty sure 15.0 is considered “average” so you’d expect a “top notch” defender to force a better number there, wouldn’t you?

and hinrich’s net points are a negative. how does this show that he’s making his team better?

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

No, opponent PER is a garbage stat because it doesn't calculate a player's ...

impact on team defense whatsoever. Also, it does say 14.6; thus, you might need your eyes checked or a new computer screen.

Furthermore, negative +/- stats on defense indicate that you’re allowing that many points less. When Kirk Hinrich is on the court, the opposition scores 5.3 points per 100 possessions less against the Chicago Bulls than when he’s off the court.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Opponent PER is also particularly bad

for guys who tend to guard a position other than what they play often. It’s not as big a problem in Chicago this year as previous, but Kirk used to get stuck with the SG opposing PER when they went to the 3 guard lineup, even though he was guarding the SF a lot.

But the 14.6 is his overall opponent PER – if you look at the by-position breakdown, that’s where you get the 16.4 PER for his time at SG. (There, you also see an 8.1 opponent PER credited to him for time at PG, and a 23.8 for limited time at SF this year.)

In fact, if you buy the by-position stuff they have up – Kirk would be expected to be much better going someplace he can spend most of his time at PG.

Just waiting on some offense....

by wjb1492 on Dec 13, 2009 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Won't happen though.

We have overachieved under Nate the last three years. A bad third of a season when we are absolutely decimated by injuries won’t be enough to fire Nate because of the previous three years.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions  

We have overachieved under Nate the last three years

That’s such a huge assumption. That’s not a statement you can actually make factually.

by Timmay! on Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

really?

i don’t see how thats an assumption at all. There are plenty of bad teams with talented players (just look at NJ or Memphis) that do not drastically improve three years in a row. The coach has something to do with it whether you like him or not. Downplaying nate’s role is like downplaying B. Roys or LMAs.

by jervil on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

i don’t see how thats an assumption at all

Unless we get a DeLorean, go back in time, and check how 5 or 10 other coaches would have done with the same team to confirm our suspicions, it’s an assumption.

Downplaying nate’s role is like downplaying B. Roys or LMAs.

Downplaying KP’s role in the increasing number of victories is like downplaying Roy or LMA or Oden’s role.

by Timmay! on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

well,

take a look at the terrible teams with good players and you will see how other coaches would do. I don’t know how much more factual you can be than looking at statistics. This team has done very well under nate. thats factual. Seattle did very poorly without nate, also a fact. When nate got here(along with broy and lma) we got better. good players don’t make a good team. Devin Harris and Brook Lopez don’t make new jersey good. Chris Bosh and Hedo and Jose don’t make a team good. Dwade makes a team merely decent. Chris Paul and David West can’t do anything right now. Without Phil Kobe and the lakers sucked. The Wiz are filled with talent and cant do a thing with it. Deny it all you want, but, it is very factual that nate has helped this team get to where it is.

by jervil on Dec 12, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

We'll agree to disagree here.

It’s simply, and by definition, not factual. So we’ll need to disagree and call it a night.

by Timmay! on Dec 12, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions  

alright man

absolute fact doesn’t matter, your right. I guess i shouldn’t have even used the word. What i meant was overwhelming evidence.

by jervil on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Based on Vegas' over/under for wins and 99% of NBA experts' predictions,

the last three years, we overachieved. It’s not that crazy to say.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

There wasn't enough pressure put on McMillan last year.

Everyone was all too happy about a 1st round exit. There wasn’t an impetus to force Nate to adapt or change his schemes. Something many of us on Bedge had called for.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Everyone was a hyperbole relative to people who criticized the coaching staff schematically.
Something many of us on Bedge had called for.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, there were only a few of us who criticized Nate McMillan before this season. Hell, a lot of ...

fans are short-sighted and live in the moment, though, so making the playoffs was good enough for them and they didn’t feel the need to question McMillan’s glaring flaws. I hope those people learned their lesson, but I doubt it.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions  

this year has been one letdown after another.

the old days of last year and the year before.. i miss them

Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.

by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 9:27 PM PST reply actions  

I miss Outlaw

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I miss my mommie

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Dec 12, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

It's coaching

The system is wrong. It’s the stand and watch spread the floor system. It doesn’t encourage movement. You can see the guys go to their spots, which is how the system is designed. They run the ball, up the court only to slow it down. They catch and stop and think. They wait for double teams. Seems like they think that double teams are good so they can pass out, but they never cut. If the players are not moving on their own, then the coaches need to coach them. It’s coaching.

by davebball on Dec 12, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions  

Good game by lma, wouldve loved to see more REx, I mean how much worse can he do

than blake and miller, though miller did play good in the first overtime making up for a bad regulation. Joel had a good game too, we should be thankful to him. Honestly that is not a bad loss for a team in our situation.

by tevisthe4th on Dec 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST reply actions  

I'm worried the blame goes to the wrong place

if KP sells out getting Nate type guys there goes our window.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah, I think if Nate's still the coach next year, our window is closing fast.

Of course, our window is even more closed if Oden can’t stay healthy and Roy shoots sub 40% from the field.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 12, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The roster has issues too.

The coaching changes can’t solve it.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Perhaps Nate isn't the right guy

But if Oden is healthy and playing 30+ and Roy is efficient, and Batum is healthy and continues to develop, it doesn’t really matter who coaches us.

Might as well have someone the players like and respect.

In the meantime, I’d hate to fire a coach who did a LOT for us, the fanbase, and the organization during a year where soooooooooooooooooooooo much awful stuff out of everyone’s control has happened. Screwing Nate over like that won’t look good to anyone. He may not be the right choice in the long run, but this year ain’t his fault.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it as helping us win

Not right now, and really depends on who we get for the future.

All known coaches have their own dumb tendencies we’d hate, and all unknown coaches will undoubtedly have dumb tendencies we’d hate as well. All coaches have dumb tendencies fanbases hate.

Nate is part of the problem, but waaaay down the list after injuries and Roy not being as good as before (not even close to as good as before). No coaching change fixes that.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

But I openly admit

I am waaaay biased towards blaming the players when there are on-court problems and think we overrate what coaches do.

If the team is playing hard and respecting the coach’s authority and trying to win for them, it is the most you can ask for usually

I am open to a new coach if it will really help us. Depends on who the coach is.

I am positive any newbie coach will have extremely frustrating mistakes and tendencies as well.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

the offensive scheme is making me want to gouge my eyes out. Too many years of it to take anymore.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course

there are fundamental flaws with Nate that cap his teams maximum expected efficiency (mostly a weird fascination with mid range J’s). You need a coach that has a system that allows for it’s players to maximize their production and efficiency. Nate more or less makes his talent play to an average expected outcome. They go up and down, but they’re only as good as they’re shooting. Other teams have better ways of scoring the basketball.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I hoped Oden

Having the first dominant big of Nate’s career, plus the Blazers franchise since Walton, would help change that.

It is hard to judge this season, which makes it more difficult for me.

I am open to using this season as a test for Nate, but there is no way to test him now. And thus, since we are almost back to zero and waiting for Oden to come back, I revert back to “Nate earned a shot”.

I do agree with your analysis, but do think Oden would eventually change that for any coach, and it really ultimately depends on who else we could get.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I’d like to give Budenholzer a shot. Or Frank.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If one thinks Nate is fundamentally flawed

Then of course they would have to think giving him a shot is pointless.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

If you think Oden is the key

you have to have a proven commodity at getting something substantial out of there center. You can’t just hope Nate figures it out on the fly. There isn’t any reason to take that shot besides having 3 years to kill (which no NBA franchise has).

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

All the more reason not to go to a n00b coach

It really, really depends on who we’re talking about replacing him with and how different it is.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I dunno if Budenholzer is really a newbie.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Do we know he favors an offense that runs inside-out, with a focus on the big man?

I really am just asking; I do not know.

Does he know the secret of the pick and roll?

If someone hasn’t been the head coach and in charge of all of the decisions, even if he’s been around forever in a successful franchise, he’s gotta be a n00b for at least a year or two.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

he is supposedly a Popovich clone, he’s run a lot of their X and O stuff for years.

I still prefer Lawrence Frank.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

This is partly why I'm for JVG, who's been through the wars.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree on not getting a fresh faced coach.

Or at least one that doesn’t know how to feed their big.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I think no matter who we have

If Oden stays on the floor, we would ultimately go into him as out 1st option. He’d have to take it from Roy, and we wouldn’t make him the first option until then because Roy had proven to be a good 1st option, but no matter what we’d go into him.

Plus Oden would get himself open plenty of times, either through his own BBIQ or as part of the gameplan, but our guards just don’t see him. I, again, think Roy and not the coaches are a big part of that problem.

Because Oden is a new thing and until this year not an effective big man to run the offense through, I don’t see any coach forcing that issue when you got Roy right there.

I think the eventual player Oden will become makes coaching us on offense idiot proof.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think the eventual player Oden will become makes coaching us on offense idiot proof.

Just because we can eventually win in spite of Nate does not mean we should keep him.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

That's not really what I mean.

I knew I should have deleted that part; our defense under Nate has been our bigger concern.

For the first third of this season, any coach (ANY) would use Roy as the first option, and since he struggles to incorporate Oden, the team struggles to incorporate Oden.

And any coach would eventually run the offense through Oden, once he has proven to be more worthy of it than Roy.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions  

and this is what it reall comes down to

You can only be so bad with a great roster. But you can only be so good with a bad coach.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I just think that overrates the coach's importance.

Phil Jackson and Popovich might be geniuses, but they wouldn’t be without Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, etc.

The triangle doesn’t work without the perfect players; Popovich’s ability to see the big picture and focus on the playoffs doesn’t work without the right players.

I definitely think coach’s affect things greatly, but simply not nearly as much as the players… and the right players will make any coach a good coach, and the wrong players will make any legendary coach look bad.

We could have Jesus out there coaching us (his basketball mind is very underrated); doesn’t make a difference unless Oden is healthy and Roy playing at least 3/4s as good as before.

Roy making the wrong reads a lot more than he used to, makes our offense look bad.

Is it reliant on the players making reads and reacting? Sure, but I’d say every team’s offense is like that for the most part.

I do not know if Nate is the right choice at all, but I do see many things the players are doing wrong that they know not to do.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I think coaches have a shelf life in the NBA.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish basketball was more like baseball, since ...

in baseball managers really don’t make a tangible impact. This isn’t baseball, though.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaches certainly affect things

Style of play, schemes, etc. Much much much more than baseball.

But it is still ultimately up to the players, especially when we’re not doing things you KNOW any coach would be telling the players to do (pass to Oden when wide open for a dunk, stay on good outside shooters, don’t let that quick PG past you, have focus on both ends of the ball Roy, etc).

When we mess up basics that we know any coach would be pointing out and seeing on video, I blame the players.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Now, as we all know, Nate says the right things about defense when discussing it

(not wanting switches on pick and rolls all the time, etc) but his teams have consistently not been good defensively. So that is a problem.

I think Oden will help, as would having a great perimeter defender like Batum, but there is something else going on there.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

JVG is a veteran and a guy who's coached high usage centers ...

in the past; also, he’s got keen knowledge of how to both run and defend against the pick-and-roll. Finally, JVG plays at a slow pace and I prefer that speed.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions  

He seems like he'd be a good fit offensively for Roy and Oden

I don’t think I believe he’d hold Roy and LMA accountable for a lack of defensive effort, like you think though.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Long term, Nate is the problem we can solve now

Injuries you can’t do anything about. Roy not being Roy apparently is not something you can control, and if you could it’d be the coach. Coach is the variable that can change, and that needs changing.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I can see Paul Allen doing a balance sheet on Nate

and seeing +’s don’t outweigh the -’s.

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Watching the Blazers get torched by Luke Ridnour

That’s right, torched by Luke Ridnour. It reminded me what I don’t like about the Blazer offense. There is a reason Ridnour was able to get all those easy shots. He was running off of picks left and right. On and off ball. I always wish Portland could do that, and it rarely happens. Much like our heavily discussed defensive problems, I believe it stems from lacking a real system. It’s making my question Nate & crew more every game. Can you imagine how awesome our guards could be if they were set up with that many picks?

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

bad screens

Our big guys set poor screens and then the guards don’t use the screens well either. The guards don’t run past the screens tight enough so the other guards can stay with them. our guards get picked cleanly.

by davebball on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

And call me crazy, but I think it’s important. Maybe someone should teach them how to do it.

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate & Co. must place an incredibly high value on assists/turnovers ratio

It’s the only stat where Blake is a top 30 PG as far as I can see. He’s actually 15th there.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions  

NICE

It’s why Kevin Ollie and Muggsy Bogues are in the hall of fame.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy is 36th, Miller 37th in that regard. So…

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That's why Nate McMillan loved Antonio Daniels.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't usually like to do this...

but, It’s driving me crazy how the refs have been treating roy! I know we should take responsibility for the game and all that, but when two games in two nights come down to several crappy calls it’s hard to ignore. Am I just going crazy or something? Wheels seemed pretty upset about it tonight as well.

by jervil on Dec 12, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions  

It makes me angry too

very angry indeed

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

he's drawn more 4th quarter fouls...

than any player in the entire nba.

the refs give roy a lot of calls. he’s just been bad lately. going out of control into andrew bogut when he has 5 fouls is not going to buy you a call.

roy did it three times. miraculously the refs bailed him out on the 3rd one.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Indeed

You can’t get every call hurling yourself into the defender.

Personally, I don’t understand all the rage over the referees for this game. Lot of it should have been no calls IMHO. Or, do we forget that we also constantly gripe about a perimeter player hurling themselves at Oden and pick up a BS foul. Lot of what Roy did today (and most every game) are those kind of moves.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 12, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions  

What was supposed to be a dream season,

has turned into a nightmare.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions  

NExt year

Provided we don’t have Nate or Blake, will be our dream season.

by thetsaiguy on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm growing weary of saying "next year..."

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

patience is a virtue

and time heals all wounds. any other axioms out there to deaden the pain?

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

that intensifies the pain

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

is blake the worst starting pg in the league?

maybe duhon is worse, but the dude just torched cp3 yesterday.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:40 PM PST reply actions  

Hard to say for sure

But the only sentences containing “Blake” and “torched” feature “Blake” preceding “got.”

Still on the Rex bandwagon.

by dan_the_man on Dec 12, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Duhon and Udrih and Ford are stinking it up, but it's pretty close

As said above, Blake is only a top 30 player in assists/turnovers. And we have Roy and Miller just outside the top 30 in that category, so they should be able to handle that issue quite easily.

Miller - Roy - Webster - Aldridge - Przybilla. Is that so hard?

by Norsktroll on Dec 12, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions  

i know

i picked him up for my fantasy teams right after KMart went down, and he’s been producin.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Jason williams (not permanent however)?

Mario chalmers?
Derek Fisher?

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Chalmers is only getting 9.8 pts and 4 asts.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Chalmers is also a nice defender.

get well soon, big guy.

#52

by Cablinasian on Dec 12, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd take him over Blake too.

I was just saying he’s not that great.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Is telfair starting for anyone?

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

i still like Bassy

but, no. Davis is starting for the Clips.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

We have arguably the worst starting point guard in the NBA and

we got a point guard who averaged 16.3 pts, 6.5 asts, 4.5 rbs, and 1.3 stls per game on better than 47% from the field last year sitting on the bench.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Lets all just calm down now people!

"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day." -- Hobbes

by bow4meow on Dec 12, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions  

it's true, though

on initial thought, it seems like two of the worst starters in the league.

maybe that’s one of the reasons we’re suckin so bad this year.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

possibly, i doubt it.

there’s probably someone worse. it’s pretty funny to consider that there were a large number of blazer fans that argued that webster was going to be an upgrade over batum.

i imagine they are rethinking that.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Mbah a Moute is an awesome defender

To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.

by Ben R on Dec 12, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

How long of a pass will KP get?

I do think he is complicit in this mess of a season. While the injuries hurt, our roster has baked for awhile.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions  

Oh I dunno

These injuries are season ruining, he gets a pass because we’d likely be pretty good even without playing that well if Oden and Batum are around… especially Oden.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yea, that's fair.

I do think the shine is off. KP isn’t the teflon man he used to be. I still have confidence in him to make good moves. Moreso than Nate.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Dec 12, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Winning solves all

And mediocre or bad play makes all look bad.

The front office definitely gets a pass from me this season, because the dude playing the best two-way basketball is out with a dumb unlucky injury.

#52

by Mortimer on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

As long as every one plays as hard as they did tonight

No way do I give up on the players,the coach’s are testing my patience

by southern oregon on Dec 12, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Pritchard is insanely over-rated

he continues to live off his performance in the 2006 draft. he’s the first i’d like to see go. i absolutely do not trust him to handle the oden situation well this off-season or much else for that matter.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree that Kevin Pritchard is highly overrated by Portland fans.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Daryl Morey FTW

Otis Smith looks pretty good as well.

52 + 88 = 140% better team.

by xedubx on Dec 12, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

as ridiculously over-paid as lewis is...

the magic are a real title contender and they are paying him this stupid money during a time when they might win a title.

pritchard is paying 65 million to LaMarcus Aldridge and the Blazers are not in a title window.

over-paying is almost ok under the right circumstances. pritchard probably jumped the gun with aldridge.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

The Orlando Magic weren't a "real title contender" when the franchise overpaid for ...

Rashard Lewis in a sign-and-trade deal — as it was coming off a 40-42 season and in the midst of a coaching change — but even if they had been that wouldn’t’ve justified the abusrd amount of money given to him.

You, however, are right that Portland overpaid LaMarcus Aldirdge, who shouldn’t’ve been given a contract extension and had the market dictate his value as a RFA next summer.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 13, 2009 1:17 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

but only for Nate still being here (for seemingly another 2 years). You can’t argue with the talent he’s put on this team, and the way he’s been able to get it all. Until last offseason he was nearly perfect. His only failures have been in the FA and PG realm, one of which Nate is almost entirely responsible for. The other, hopefully a short stay (both actually hopefully short stays). Sergio is good, not for us. Bayless may still be good, though I’m a doubter. Oden was essential. Roy, LMA, Batum, Rudy, all massive hits, possibly the best players for their draft position all the way through. Connecting the dots stylistically was supposed to be a Nate deal. He’s just completely inflexible on that front though. He wanted Paul when we took Webster.

I find it hard to say he’s not a top 5 or 10 GM at this point.

by as11osu on Dec 12, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions  

he's not been anywhere close to perfect

people just can’t be objective when talking about this guy. go back and really look at his draft picks and what players were available.

he’s not at all what he’s cracked up to be.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I just did

He may not be perfect, but he’s as good as there had been 3 years in a row (2006-2008).

by as11osu on Dec 13, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Targeting and landing

Rudy and Batum with late first round picks means nothing to you then?

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Dec 12, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

the rudy pick was purchased, as was the sergio pick

so no. i don’t give pritchard a ton of credit for getting more players in the draft when he had an owner throwing money around. the sergio pick sucked as did the freeland pick. there were better players avaialable.

batum was a nice pick.

pritchard’s 2nd round picks have almost universally been awful and has failed to trade players when he had the opportunity.

he’s beloved by portland fans but outside of the 2006 draft i don’t think he’s done anything terribly impressive.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Does any team want $4 million extra in cap room this summer?

Steve Blake’s contract is expiring. If you need him to produce, however, you will be disappointed.

Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!

by axel360 on Dec 12, 2009 9:53 PM PST reply actions  

NY and CHI seem like obvious destinations for Blake

Maybe Miami as well?

We can throw in Outlaw to get the other team about $8mil in space for the summer.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

He'd be a good fit as a backup in LA.

Assuming his 3pt shooting isn’t permanently broken. As a 5th option, lounging around, waiting for 3s, and distributing in the triangle, I’d think he’d do well.

by Xiane on Dec 12, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Who do you want to get...

Linus Kleiza?
Dunleavy?
Daniel Gibson?
Caron Butler?
Udoka again?

I have no idea what the salaries are but those guys seem like solid role players who have killed us in the past..

by WakeUpOden on Dec 12, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions  

Udoka is out

…microfracture….

An Oregonian in Texas.

by NoiseMekanik on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you thinking of Diogu?

I haven’t heard that Udoka got injured.

by Timmay! on Dec 12, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

err

you might be right

An Oregonian in Texas.

by NoiseMekanik on Dec 12, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

my bad

An Oregonian in Texas.

by NoiseMekanik on Dec 12, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Caron Butler isn't a solid role player

the guy is really good

or in Nate’s words

“he scraps, you know. he really does some good things out there. and I also thought blake does some good things for us.”

Wouldn't mind if Bayless was starting. Or at least playing.

by collectiveshane on Dec 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I think some deep breathes are in order

there are so many insane reactionary things being said in here its impossible to even try to process them and respond. two very close games in which we showed more passion and grit than at any time in the season is not exactly time to jump ship. sure we lost them both, but if we are going to lose any games i’ll take those two any day.

by jervil on Dec 12, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

i realize they aren't in a vacuum

but can anyone really say we expected to win last night? even healthy that would be a stretch and furthermore how we lost tonight was nothing like the losses to golden state and memphis. getting blown out to terrible teams at home is nothing like losing the second of a back to back in a double overtime game against a decent team.

by jervil on Dec 12, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

i didn't expect to win last night.

and the coaching staff should not have either. this is why our main guys should not have all played near 40 minutes.

tired legs lost the game tonite. if our coaches make better decision’s yesterday this is a 2 and 2 road trip.

by colinmarsh on Dec 12, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The term Gandy Dancer refers to crew who go to the

Site of the train wreck,repair the track and salvage the rolling stock,might want hire their services

by southern oregon on Dec 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions  

Damn,

 hopin’ for a win here.

R.A.M.B.O. will rise again!

by TheNoPoFuzz on Dec 12, 2009 10:57 PM PST reply actions  

jerryd with words

http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2009/12/milwaukee_108_portland_101_bla.html

Bayless, meanwhile, is doing his best not to explode. His sour face when he was pulled with 10:14 left in the fourth, despite having hit two key baskets near the end of the third quarter, told the story.

Bayless feels like he is not awarded the trust nor the freedom from the coaching staff, which often pulls him after a mistake, no matter how many positive plays he produced prior.

"I know every time I play I’ve helped this team. Every single time,’’ Bayless said before Saturday’s game. "It’s tough. Especially since, and I hate saying this, seeing these other guys (Blake and Miller) doing what they are doing. I know I can help this team. I know I can.’’

Props to Quick for FINALLY bringing it up.

by CleBlazer on Dec 12, 2009 11:40 PM PST reply actions  

I agree wholeheartedly with Bayless

Here’s the offensive playbook for every team we face:
High pick and roll on Blake.

That’s it. That’s all they need. Over and over. Seeing Blake flail helplessly. Has Dean no mercy. I felt sorry for Blake. Please stop embarassing him. You are affecting his manhood. That’s why he can even make a 3 when he’s wide open.

Please make the nightmare stop.

It was funny when when Mike Rice said about Luke Ridnour – ’he’s the perfect backup PG.’ Let’s just say – I wasn’t thinking about Luke, but Blake. Come on MR – say what you really mean.

by Max Dome on Dec 13, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a complete failure of leadership on the part of the balzer's coaches. Every game I see

leaves me wanting less of Steve Blake. That last three he clanked early in the shot clock with about a minute and a half left in OT was the turning point that let the Bucks back in it. It’s bizarre to see him getting the number of minutes he gets especially when other guards are just blowing right by him.

by raoulduke on Dec 13, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

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