Game 24 Preview: Blazers vs. Cavaliers [Updated]
Game Time: 5:00p.m. Pacific TV: Comcast and ESPN
OK, who thought this was a good idea?
In theory the 14-9 Blazers shouldn't be too far behind the 15-7 Cavaliers. In theory Cleveland's +5.0 and Portland's +4.8 point differentials mean that the two teams are roughly equal. In theory the Blazers have two dominant matchups in this contest and the Cavaliers have two as well, promising a competitive game. In theory.
There are two problems with the theory. The most obvious is LeBron James. Let's face it. In the Kung Fu movie there's Bruce Lee and then there's everyone else. It doesn't matter how strong those other guys are, how high they jump, how intimidating they look when they twirl their staves, or how many other people they've beaten up in the flick. You know when they meet Bruce Lee they're going to bounce off of him like Jell-o hitting a battleship. That would be the case with LeBron tonight. The Blazers don't have anybody like him. Fuse Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Andre Miller together then give them Martell Webster's three-point shot and you'll have the idea. See, Cleveland has all of those talents and skills packed into one small space leaving more freedom at the other roster spots. There's none of this "must play a shooter to compensate for X and a rebounder to patch up Y" stuff. If you can't play with LeBron you can't play. So you spend three guys trying to catch up with LeBron's offensive production and four guys trying to stop him on defense and meanwhile everybody else on their roster gets to bust your chops just by playing their game.
As if that wasn't enough, the Cavs also have Shaq now. He's having a "my career's on life support" kind of season, averaging 25 foul-plagued minutes, 11 points, and 7 rebounds per game. After the drubbing Shaquille gave Greg Oden when he entered the league I was looking forward to a little payback maybe. But alas, instead of Greg-Shaq IV, This Time It's Personal we get to see Shaq-Joel MCMXXII, No Really...It's Just a Flesh Wound.
Meanwhile point guard Mo Williams, shooting guard Anthony Parker, and reserve guard Daniel Gibson are all excellent three-point shooters, just in case you thought about sagging down to help on LeBron or Shaq. Anderson Varejao has given the Blazers trouble in the past as well. The Blazers' defense hasn't been solid for at least a month. This team hits almost all of its weaknesses.
Oh! Ha-ha, hee-hee! The Cavaliers are a dominant rebounding team also. Jolly. AND Cleveland just lost two straight on the road and aren't going to be in the mood to mess around tonight.
Again I ask, who thought this was a good idea?
Were the Blazers at full strength, had they Oden and Przybilla together, if Roy and Aldridge had proven themselves a seamlessly dominant duo all season, were Rudy Fernandez on the court instead of on his back, if Steve Blake, and Martell Webster were stroking threes instead of missing every shot they throw up, if Andre Miller were more consistent than cantankerous...then we'd be talking about many people swarming few and we'd be speculating about a possible Blazer upset. Here's some perspective though. The Blazers were built to rely on a few things: rebounding, three-point shooting, talent intimidation creating opportunities for everyone. As the rosters stand on Friday, December 11th the Cavaliers are better than the Blazers in every one of those categories. About the only option we have is to chant the mantra that every lesser team invokes when they play the Cavs: any team can win on a given night and if enough things go right for us...maybe...
Pivotal Points to the Game (a.k.a. "Enough things going right...")
1. The first and best way to challenge a favored team is by expending more energy than they do. If the loose balls are 50/50 we'll lose. If the defenses are prosecuted with equal effort we'll lose. Give the exact same shots to the Cavaliers and the Blazers and we'll lose. We have got to play harder than they in order to have a chance.
2. The good news is that most of the Cleveland losses have come when they really stank up their offense, so it is possible. The better news is that they've lost to some of the less remarkable defensive teams in the league, leading one to believe that they tend to let certain games slide and end up hamstringing themselves. The two straight losses they're carrying make that unlikely BUT you never know. Either way, the Portland offense must click tonight. It can't be a Roy or LaMarcus or the shooters night. There have to be "ands" in there and plenty of them. Obviously you run the offense through the two stars but Webster, Miller, Blake, Bayless, Cunningham whoever gets in there needs to hit the shots they're capable of hitting. You don't have to do too much. Cleveland will be happy to see Webster and Blake dominating the ball or Bayless and Miller shooting threes. Martell and Blake just need to hit their threes while Bayless and Miller penetrate, draw fouls, and hit those shorter jumpers. But you can't goof up the stuff that got you into this league and expect to beat this team no matter how lightly (or not) they regard you.
3. Rebounding might be a problem tonight. Joel has got to have a great game. One of the ways to limit the Cavaliers simply cleaning the glass and controlling the tempo all night long is just to hit your shots. Teams get rattled and frustrated when they're taking the ball out of the basket all of the time. Then they have to score instead of being able to toy with you.
4. If you get a chance, run. And by that I mean fast break, not away. Just to clarify.
Final Thoughts
I guess in a way this is a no-lose game. There's no reasonable expectation for the Blazers to win. If they do pull it off or even stay close that's a big deal at this point. If it's not much of a game, well, that's what Milwaukee is for. Not that Saturday's game is a gimme either...
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Update: Well, the Blazers are apparently the ill-aspected ravens of the league when it comes to bringing injury and misfortune to town. Brian Windhorst is reporting that the Cavs might be missing Anderson Varejao and Mo Williams tonight due to illness and Daniel Gibson due to a finger injury. Nothing conclusive yet, but it appears the Cavaliers will enter the game short-handed. A word of advice to the rest of the NBA: when Portland comes to your city just meet them at the gate, toss them some vittles, and tell them to go away. Just forfeit the game. You'll be happier in the long run.
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I grew up watching Bruce Lee films courtesy of my dad who legally changed his name to Bruce in admiration of him.
Hope Blazers win or not lose that badly, Joel wins, Bayless dunks on LeBron and it snows tomorrow in Portland.
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Dec 10, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions
hmmmm
we might not lose
Numerically Blazers Edge is #25
by Outlaw is Rejector on Dec 10, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions
Let's think about this one
Fuse Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Andre Miller together then give them Martell Webster’s three-point shot and you’ll have the idea.
I’d love to give LeBron Martell’s three-point shot from the last several games.
This would be one of those games where it would be a really, really good idea for Martell to have a 24 point quarter again. Well, maybe two of them, since James is likely to have one to cancel it out if he only does it once.
Really, the only hope I see is for someone to go on an offensive tear. It could be Martell, it could be Brandon, or Andre, possibly even Jerryd. If it is one of the last three, that would probably also result in drawing some fouls, and putting Shaq on the bench with fouls is a good idea, IMO.
#52
I would say we need someone go on a defensive tear
LeBron has 15 turnovers in the last games. He’s not secure right now against ball pressure. And we need someone to check Shaq who is in a serious slump and starts to look worse than the Erick Dampier he once insulted. His hook shot is very flat when challenged.
And there is where Webster has to come in.
The last game in Portland he played James fairly well. He doesn’t need to shut him down. Just make him work for his points without having to double team James much of the time. Getting 10 – 12 points would also help.
hakkaa päälle !
Yeah . . .
I was just going to say that. Are we still operating under the assumption that Martell is a “shooter”? Sure his jumpshot looks pretty leaving his hands, but he’s never been an above average shooter.
by Foofighting101 on Dec 11, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions
haha
i was going to say the exact same thing…
PLEASE, give LeBron Martell’s three point shot. At least he wouldn’t hit ridiculous off the dribble 30 footers that touch nothing but the bottom of the net.
marty acutally has a higher 3 point percentage than lebron
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
#52
by thomasikehara on Dec 11, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
That's based on a few hot games
I just want to give LeBron Marty’s last three games, if that’s permitted. There’s been a few others I’d like to throw in as well, but he’s had some I want to keep.
#52
like martel
lebron is a really inconsistent outside shooter
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
#52
by thomasikehara on Dec 11, 2009 9:19 AM PST up reply actions
Poor Martell,
He’s just not even worth talking about as I"m buttering my toast anymore… and that’s sad.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Ouch,Faith
And to think you said that aloud
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions
I think this one is won and lost in the rebounding battle.
Unfortunately, we’re wee bit short there since Greg went down and our starting PF is soft. Maybe Varajao catches H1N1 before the game?
Webster needs to play big minutes and be productive and the rebounding has to stay near even. If Roy has to guard LeBron extended minutes due to us playing 3 guard lineup, we’re roadkill.
52 + 88 = 140% better team.
We don't need Broy in foul trouble tonight
So, I would put ANYBODY but Brandon on Lebron
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions
This is zachly the kind of game where it would make sense
To see what kind of energy JB and Dante can bring rather than “develop” Blake, Miller and Howard since there is no way those stalwart vets are going to “manage” a win.
by southern oregon on Dec 11, 2009 1:42 AM PST reply actions
BLAZERS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!
24 point BLOW-OUT!!!!!!!!!!
Jerryd Bayless with the quadduple-double, Juwan Howard blocks Shaq 5 times, LA tears the rim off the hoop and eats it. Steve Blake is run down in a tragic exploding licorice cart accident. Miller dedicates his 25 pt, 12 assist game to the memory of Steve and pours some Hennessey on his court-side ash pile…
yep…perfect game all around….
#52. Get well soon.
by Eat Politicians on Dec 11, 2009 1:47 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hennessey rocks
except for the hangovers
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:41 AM PST up reply actions
I wish
I could be the eternal optimist that you are.Do they have licorice carts in your hood?
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
Perfect timing for a national TV game!
We gotta fight and not let Cleveland just show up and win.
As long as we play hard, I’ll be happy.
And please play whoever is playing good. If, say, Bayless happens to be doing good, what the hell— give the stupid fat dumb ugly kid some more run, ya know? Just for poops and chuckles.
Mortimer
#52
by Mortimer on Dec 11, 2009 2:45 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
That is exactly it
Play hard, scrap, and leave it all on the floor. The results may or may not be the same, but we could walk off the floor with our heads held high.
hg
Well put ,my brother
Max effort tonight is the Only way to pull off this victory.It’ll be a tough one,but a good test for this team.
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions
and too pooped to play hard against the Bucks?
If the game stays close, by all means try to win it (like last year in C-town when LMA was out)
But if the game gets away, play Juwan, Jerryd and Dante in extended garbage time and live to fight another day
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Unfortunately,
Dean is on just as short of a rope as JBay
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions
So Joel is guarding Shaq
And who else……LMA? Howard?
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
Can you just imagine.
Being Joel and knowing tonight you gotta guard Shaq,or being Marty and knowing you have to gaurd Lebron.Can’t be a fun feeling, for sure
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions
shaq only plays lke 25 minutes a game
so it could be joel the whole time
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
#52
by thomasikehara on Dec 11, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions
Blazers guarding Shaq usually ends well
Heck Sabas was about the only guy that could slow Shaq in his prime.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Shaq has a grudge against Przy that goes way back
Joel is willing, but the Deisel is coming
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Too bad we don't have Kareem (or Oden)...
…I just envision the final battle in “Game of Death” at the top of the enemy pagoda. Bruce almost met his match there.
If they re-made that movie today, I’m thinking Oden would be a great casting choice for Kareem’s character.
Portland Trail Blazers, Future World Champions 2010-2021.
Bruce Lee is a movie star poser….
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Bruce Lee is the Ali of martial arts...
any disrespect is blasphemy…..
No acting is necessary when you ARE the real thing.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Dear Martell,
Please don’t ask LBJ for a pair of his autographed game shoes before the game and pretend they are for someone else (like you did last year).
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 11, 2009 6:53 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
I normally would think Portland had a decent chance to win this game ...
… as the starting lineup is basically that from last year, with Webster in place of Batum. But what’s missing is a bench. No Travis or Rudy, or for that matter Channing Frye.
Here’s where Andre, Jerryd, Dante and Juwon have to step up.
hakkaa päälle !
I will be in the stands
Making the trip from Columbus to the Cleve for this one, through the zero degree windchill.
At the time I bought these tickets, I was looking forward to seeing Mr. Oden in person for the first time since he shook the backboards at Ohio State. It was not to be…
What’s the over/under on the Cavs rebounding advantage? I say the Cavs will outrebound Portland by at least 17. Anybody got the under? Watching Howard try to box out Varajeo will be interesting.
Also, who will guard Lebron when Martell’s not in the game? Dean better scrap the three guard line up…
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Watching Howard try to box out Varajeo will be interesting.
And by “box out,” I mean stand next to him and watch Varajeo get an easy offensive rebound without leaving his feet.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Yep, I'm scared....
really scared. No way the Cavs are going to lose 3 in row. Even if somehow the Blazers manage to stay close the refs will fix it so that the Blazers don’t have a chance. I’m reminded of the game last year when Lebron “blocked” that 3-pointer by Travis and when Travis “traveled”. That game should have been the Blazer’s. I’m still convinced the LBJ is some sort of hybrid because no one should be able to move that fast when they are 250lbs.
One of God’s own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production. Too weird to live, and too rare to die.
I should not sarcastically mock someone I don’t completely agree with.
He is an amazing freak of nature, for sure.
Start Miller.
by RenoBlazerFan on Dec 11, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions
Are you sure he's a freak of "nature?"
I don’t have evidence to the contrary. I’m just skeptical when I see a body unlike any I’ve ever seen before.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
That body is usually hidden under football pads.
I should not sarcastically mock someone I don’t completely agree with.
Often so
And let’s see: what do many football players consume for breakfast (and I don’t mean Wheaties)?
I react to the sight of LeBron the same way I did to Florence Griffith-Joyner, Marion Jones, Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, and, later, Barry Bonds. Turned out I was right about all of those remarkably-built athletes. I might be wrong this time. But, like I said, I’m skeptical.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
Word out of Cleveland...
is that Bron is really now closer to 260 or 270… he is a mountain of speed. He’s the size of Ben Wallace and the speed of Brandon Jennings.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
Cyborg for sure
That being said, if we win amazing, if we don’t no one expected us to win.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
should i take a "FIRE NATE" sign?
first time in a looong time, i’m going to a blazer game. this should be fun.
It's 8 degrees cooler here
Gotcha beat .
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions
the temp doesn't matter as much as the windchill
it’s been <5 deg with the wind over the last two days.
nasty stuff.
EEEEEEEyaHh
That’s ug,Can’t wait for the ice storms tonight.
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions
You're right
substitute Roy with Oden.
On second thought, go with “Fire Nate” or “Free Bayless”.
52 + 88 = 140% better team.
“you can’t be the king if you ain’t got that ring”
I should not sarcastically mock someone I don’t completely agree with.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 11, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
We need to change the script....
Sometimes when it appears in reality and on paper there is no reason you should win a game, or be able to win a game, that becomes exactly when you do win the game. Yes, on paper it looks like you could scribble in a “L” with some degree of relative confidence but we’ve played The Cav’s pretty well in the past. It’s not totally hopeless.
To further on Daves martial art film analogy we need to change the script. The problem in the old martial art films is the hero was often attacked by overwhelming amounts of adversaries, entire clans of Ninja’s, entire populations of “evil” villages…you get the picture, BUT the hero always ended up dispatching the competition. Why? Because in the old martial art films huge groups always lined up and conviently attacked the said protagonist ONE at a TIME…we need to change that. We aren’t going to stop LeBron, we have to know that, but we also must know that we need to make this a team game. If we are to beat the Cav’s it will be as a team, if we are going to slow LeBron? It will be as a team. If we go one on one against The Cavs and LeBron? Then it’s going to be a long, long night.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
So we should have all five guys surround him and beat him up together?
I think the league would frown on that, but it does have some appeal.
#52
I was going to take the analogy there too
but then I realized that we are attacking with one Master, one monk, and a bunch of grandmas with broomsticks. I’m not sure that the whole lot attacking together could get past the hero’s guard.
—Dave
He's probably not used to those broomsticks, though
Well, maybe he is, since they play in the East.
#52
Playing field getting more even. Via beat writer Windhorst.
Mo Williams & Andy Varejao both ill, missed shootaround, questionable vs. Blazers. Daniel Gibson (finger) also questionable.
Nice
those three go down and our chances get a whole heck of a lot better tonight. From .001% to like 7%!
"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview
by BlazersOrBust on Dec 11, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions
Whoa...I was actually wishing for H1N1 on Varejao, and he actually got sick.
Perhaps I can use this power for good. Steve Blake tonight: DNP – H1N1.
52 + 88 = 140% better team.
Andre Miller and Mo Williams hate each other.
Andre threw a ball at him last season. They also got into it once when Williams was on the Bucks.
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“After Williams drew a charge on him, Miller threw the ball at Williams with 6:27 left in the first quarter and the two exchanged words and received technicals. Moments later, Miller fouled Williams on the other end of the court. More words were exchanged and Williams, who said he was mostly talking to himself, was ejected.”-link
Should be interesting.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 11, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions
Maybe the key to the game should be to get under William's skin.
“Would I say I put it behind me? No,” -Mo Williams
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 11, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions
Mo Williams is sick...may not play. But if under the weather..people are more TESTY
when they don’t feel well!!! Go ANDRé!!!!
The key to beating teh Cavs
is to be close late and make LBJ beat you. As crazy as it sounds, in their losses he almost forgets he has teammates (I call it the LBJ+4 stiffs offense) and he can often get cold or take bad shots. See their playoff loss to Orlando last year as example 1.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Just as long as he's shootin jumpers, it's ok
just don’t let him go to the hoop
by DowntownVinnie on Dec 11, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions
Update: Well, the Blazers are apparently the ill-aspected ravens of the league when it comes to bringing injury and misfortune to town. Brian Windhorst is reporting that the Cavs might be missing Anderson Varejao and Mo Williams tonight due to illness and Daniel Gibson due to a finger injury. Nothing conclusive yet, but it appears the Cavaliers will enter the game short-handed. A word of advice to the rest of the NBA: when Portland comes to your city just meet them at the gate, toss them some vittles, and tell them to go away. Just forfeit the game. You’ll be happier in the long run.
No kidding!!!!!!!!! It seems in practically every Blazer game someone gets hurt, either one of the Blazers or someone from the other team (Chris Paul, Hasheem Thabeet). At this rate by the end of the season half the league will be out with injuries.
Who wrote that update?? You know that does seem to be a bit true!!! Only FAIR though,
considering the Blazers’ injuries this season!!!
We started with
Player hurt by teammate, to player hurt by opponent, to player hurt on non-contact injury to player hurt before the game.
What’s next, a guy gets hurt brushing their teeth in the morning because their electric toothbrush attacks?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
If LBJ dances
I hope at some point (not one of our guys), someone just knocks him to the floor HARD the next time he comes out there.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Back in Drexler and Isaih Thomas's day
That would have been exactly what they would have done. I could certainly see them doing that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I rarely see Lebron with a female
After watching his ‘dancing’ now I understand why
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Dec 11, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions
Dave: when you list the guys who, if they were playing (or playing well), would help our chances...
…oddly, you omit Frenchie and Trout. I guess those guys have been out so long, we don’t even think of them as part of our team anymore.
Batum in particular will be missed tonight. His length and quickness (if not his bulk) would have caused LeBron problems. Conversely, with GO, Batum, & Trout all out, look for LeBron to frolic like a hungry lion at a watering hole populated exclusively by infant gazelles.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
The Cavs injuries
Are proof that we have some serious serous Gods on our side that apparently fight with the Gods that hate us.
The only thing that would prove it even more if it He/She smote LBJ (not seriously but enough to keep him out of the game) like the gods did with Chris Paul and Danny Granger.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Er, Lyndon Baines Johnson has been dead for a long time
Besides, how would having him injured help the Blazers? True, he could go either left or right. And, with his rep for arm-twisting, I guess he’d have been tough in the paint. But had LBJ played in the NBA, surely it would have been for the Rockets, Mavs, Spurs, or Wizards. No way would he have been a Cav.
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
Oops--of course this was meant as a reply to skywalker9
I was born in '52, and I believe in #52. Hang in there, GO.
pretty sure....
that LBJ is LeBron James.
"Every time I see Stern in public now, I kept expecting him to point up to a helicopter hovering above, like Sosa did to impress Tony in "Scarface," followed by the sight of a beaten-up Tim Donaghy being pushed out of the 'copter in midair," Bill Simmons, ESPN Draft Diary 2008
by Anthony Stine on Dec 11, 2009 2:45 PM PST up reply actions
This is precisely the game we need Batum in
He can at least challenge LeBron’s shot because historically Batum deals with the ‘superstar’ on the opposition. Let’s just hope our shots start falling like they did against the Pacers and we force the Cavs into a shootout with us where they’re going to have to have LeBron tear us up to beat us.
by rise_stand_resist on Dec 11, 2009 4:12 PM PST reply actions

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