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If not Nate, then who?



In most recent edition of the NBA Coaches Dead Pool, issued after Lawrence Frank was yanked off the stage after His Orchestra went 0-16 (not very wunnerful, apparently), the winner of the traditional "who's next?" poll, with a large plurality of the votes (34%), was our very own Nate McMillan.  While it appears that readers of The Pool may not be correct in their prediction, as word out of the Windy City is that Vinnie Del Negro will be fitted with concrete shoes and thrown into Lake Michigan, and that this will happen Any Day Now.  Derrick Rose is openly complaining about "the system", the Bulls are an unhappy crew despite some decent talent, and he's never looked particularly competent holding a clipboard.  Compared to Del Negro, Nate is Red Auerbach.

And obviously, the season-ending injury to Greg Oden might have bought McMillan some time.  Expectations for the season are probably a bit lower, and one of the major challenges facing the team--how to integrate #52 into the offense--is now a moot point.  But there are still issues--the perimeter defense is terrible; Steve Blake's current role with the team is unjustified by his play, there are rumors of other players being unhappy, and a few veiled criticisms have been tossed Nate's way by his players, most notably Brandon Roy.

While I'm not ready to pronounce Nate dead meat, it's clear that his course is now a rocky one, and nearly half the ship's crew is in the infirmary.  I like Nate--I rate him only behind Ramsay and Adelman in the pantheon of Blazer coaches (the rating only considers a coach's Blazer tenure, in case folks are wondering about Lenny Wilkens' absence from the top of the order) and I consider him a key part of the Blazer turnaround.  But he's well past the half-life of an NBA coach, events outside his control have intervened--and I think (and the Pool concurs) that it's a good bet that Nate will be gone by season's end.  Not 100%, but I'd say even money is against Mr. Sonic.

With that in mind--who is available?  Given that we're midseason, I would expect that any current NBA or NCAA head coach is not available, so no fair suggesting Pops or Jackson or SVG or Coach K.  While we would love to have one of these guys, chances are they aren't coming here anytime soon.

One option would be to go with an interim coach for the year, which probably means either Dean Demopolous or Monty Williams, the two guys on Nate's staff with the experience, temperament, and health to serve as an NBA head man.  Neither have had the gig before, so promoting either would be a bit risky--OTOH, the last time the Blazers promoted an assistant was a fellow named Rick Adelman.  In general, I wouldn't hold anything that has happened as an assistant against either men (lots of folks have been criticizing Demopolous in particular for the current road trip--it seems clear that he's basically sticking to Nate's game plan, which is probably the most reasonable thing for him to do).  With an interim coach, you can give them an extended interview, and have the inside track of retaining them if they work out (and no big money contract to worry about if they don't).

Assistants on other benches who might be tempted, and who are worthy of mention:

  • Tom Thibodeau (currently with Boston).  Widely regarded as the architect of the Boston Celtics' defense.  Hasn't sought out a head job yet--but could be picking his spots, and the Portland job might be a spot worth picking.
  • Mike Budenholzer (currently with the Spurs).  Pops top assistant.   Probably has a good relationship with KP for that reason.

Other coaches who are available, who aren't believed to be retired (or dead), and who aren't complete crud, are:

  • Byron Scott (still being paid by the Hornets)
  • his replacement in Joisey, the aforementioned Lawrence Frank (who I can't really blame for the 0-16 start, even though coach Kiki has won a few games now).  Also still getting paid by his former team and might well be enjoying a vacation.
  • Jeff Van Gundy.  Last seen coaching Houston.  Knowledgeable coach, but has a habit of wearing out his welcome.
  • Mike Fratello, Hubie Brown, Doug Collins.  Please, none of these.
  • Two ex-Minnesota coaches, Randy Wittman and Dwane Casey, the latter of which is another McMillan protege.
  • Terry Porter.  Had rough runs in both Milwaukee and Phoenix; would probably get a courtesy interview due to his Blazer roots.
  • Avery Johnson.  Like McMillan in many ways, took the Mavs to the Finals before ticking off his locker room. 
  • Paul Silas.  Another "bad cop" coach in the McMillan mold, last seen coaching Cleveland before LeBron threw him under the bus.

One other name:

  • Ettore Messina.  Euroleague coach widely rumored to be in the running for the Toronto job a while back--given that Triano isn't working out well, he may STILL be next in line for this gig.  Would be quite the risky move to go after him, given his lack of experience in US basketball.  But highly regarded.

No poll on this post, as I'm looking more for ideas and discussion.

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Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
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by thomasikehara on Dec 10, 2009 3:55 PM PST reply actions  

I'd like the idea

but player-coaches are no longer permitted.

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 10, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

we could have a puppet coach ( get it)

or lebron could just be the highest paid coach

bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
#52

by thomasikehara on Dec 10, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be ok with...

Thibodeau, Budenholzer, Frank, JVG, Messina or Fratello from your list, probably in that order.

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by jksnake99 on Dec 10, 2009 4:34 PM PST reply actions  

I'd say no to Lawrence Frank as a head coach, but yes as a lead assistant to JVG in a Tom Thibodeau ...

esque role. I’d say no to Ettore Messina, too, although I fully expect him to either stay overseas or only coach for the Toronto Raptors if he comes to North America.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 10, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree with your list...

But I would highly prefer one of the first two guys.

That being said, no way does Nate get fired in the face of this many injuries. He has a built in excuse.

It’s unfortunate, really, because if everyone had been healthy, and the Blazers had completely stagnated despite obvious improvement from Oden, Nate’s job might have been in jeopardy. And I think the Blazers will need to make a coaching change to really contend for a title. Nate is good at developing young players and getting them to play hard, but he’s been over his head this season. Integrating talent and getting from good to great is really difficult, and Nate’s not going to get it done.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 11, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

please not hubbie

becasue he coaches us, then the only decent announcer on ESPN/ABC is will be gone

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Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
if you should strike Oden down he will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine
#52

by thomasikehara on Dec 10, 2009 5:14 PM PST reply actions  

If you're Hubie Brown, and someone just called you a decent announcer, you have got to be pleased with that...

But if you’re an fan of the National Basketball Association, and you’re watching Hubie use the second person to refer to 14 different individuals within one incredibly long run on sentence, you can’t be pleased to hear another fan call Hubie Brown a decent announcer.

Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.

by KP Corleone on Dec 11, 2009 8:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with thomasikehara

Hubie is by far my favorite announcer/commentator.

by MDBlazerfan on Dec 11, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, Hubie Brown is also my favorite NBA color commentator in the business.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 11, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions  

ahh the second person

so little used in this day and age

Just a minor setback for a major comeback.
#52
Now it's YOUR time.
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Dec 12, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

You have to experience it

to appreciate it.

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 12, 2009 6:33 PM PST up reply actions  

I would be ok with Monty if Blake is still playing absurd minutes

Next month,it would have to be a bad meltdown for Nate to not finish the season,I would be fine with Thibodeau or Fratello next year,Nate would have to pull a rabbit out of his hat for me to want him back.

by southern oregon on Dec 10, 2009 6:04 PM PST reply actions  

There's this really good coach name Nate McMillan

I’ve been told that he would be interested in coaching the Portland Trail Blazers. Over the last few years, the team he has coached has improved by about 10 wins each year. Maybe we should give him a shot.

by tcwoods on Dec 10, 2009 6:38 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Someone will claim that's because they're missing players this year

Those same folks often won’t notice the player additions during all the increasingly successful years.

by Timmay! on Dec 10, 2009 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

You think the style of play was good last year?

We have been playing bad basketball with talented players for some time.

#52

by KINGofMACct on Dec 10, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions  

So you post here when you are not busy from your

 ESPN gig as an NBA expert analyst?

To say that Portland plays bad basketball in the face of last season’s record or even how well they did compared to expectations the season before is absurd.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 11, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions  

+3022

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 11, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I have to admit their style is pretty elementary.

Maybe not bad basketball, but it is easy to defend and doesn’t make our team very fluid. It also seems to have been figured out by the rest of the league. in basketball, you can make a poor system work well if your talent is as good as ours, the only problem is it won’t work as well forever when other teams figure out exactly how to defend it.

by Coastie07 on Dec 11, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Last season the team had one of the most effective offenses ...

… in the league. And everyone said they needed to improve on the defensive end.

This season they apparently have one of more effective defenses in the league. The offense has dropped off in effectiveness, but not because of poor shooting (TS% is apparently right where it was last season) but because of increased turnovers and fewer offensive possessions.

I don’t know if Portland plays simple basketball or not. I do know that simple does equate to bad. So say that the team plays a poor style of ball has to be based on something. I didn’t see King providing any basis beyond his opinion.

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by timg56 on Dec 11, 2009 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

we have the #10 offense and the #8 defense so far, having played the 27th toughest schedule

I expect both of those to drop after the schedule balances out a bit. Nate’s never coached a top 10 defense, and I don’t expect this to be the first.

His track record of coaching poor defenses, his handling of Oden’s minutes and his integration into the offense (though I certainly would have liked a longer testing period for this) and his handling of the PG situation should cost him his job, in my opinion.

I give Nate a great deal of credit for getting our young players to like each other and play hard over the past few years. Its become pretty apparent to me that he’s not the guy to take us from good to great, though.

#52

by jksnake99 on Dec 11, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

does your 'toughest schedule' ranking account for pace of schedule?

we’ve had quite a rapid-fire schedule thus far, albeit facing mostly weaker opponents.

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by Marmaduke on Dec 15, 2009 6:35 AM PST up reply actions  

The high-low zone offense is easy. Efficient, yes, but rudimentary nevertheless.

http://www.championshipproductions.com/cgi-bin/champ/p/Basketball/Mike-Krzyzewski-Duke-Basketball-Attacking-the-Zone_BD-02478D.html

My favorite line trying to sell it is this one: “Coach Krzyzewski has designed a zone offense that is easy to implement and impossible to stop!”

In the clip, I love how the weakside cornerman shoots a spot-up three-pointer. Ah, the simplicity of it.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 11, 2009 6:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's "elementary" and any stout man-to-man defensive team should shut it ...

down with relative ease. Certain zones can wreck havoc on it, too, as I’ll explain here.

In late-game situations, a box-and-one zone defense is definitely the best way to stifle Roy. Yet, during regular in-game situations that Roy is just playing within the offensive flow, using a 3-2 or 1-2-2 zone defense is the best way to force Portland to shoot right over the top — which is its Achilles heel when Andre Miller or Jerryd Bayless is in the game — and seal off the paint to prevent Roy from having a clear lane to drive toward the hoop.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 11, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

We killed it in the playoffs.

Having Joel not front Yao that first game was brilliant.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 11, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

I know this is sarcasm

Because Nate was the last guy in the universe to figure out that fronting Yao was key.

The announcers knew it. Past teams knew it. Fans knew it. We waited 2 full games to give it a try.

He also played Oden/Pryz 5 mins in the regular season, together. Then he decides 3-4 games in hell give it a try. You know, if you cant see into the future, in the same year, what can you do? The game plane was 3 games late and a full season of prep/looks behind.

Land Rondo.

"He needs to realize that he can't stop every shot, especially from a smaller and offensively potent player. Get your hands up, make him shoot it over you, but let him shoot every once in a while. They score a little but you stay in the game a lot. And when you stay in the game...smashy smashy!" Dave on Greg Oden

by loyal_blazer on Dec 11, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

At least that's what a lot of people here at BE think.

Of course that doesn’t exactly make it true.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 11, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Honestly ask yourself though,

Adding talent like Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Batum, and Rudy to a team and only giving up your problems players should make your team improve and bring it to a playoff level with any decent coach? Shouldn’t it? Let’s not forget that Nate’s addition coincided with the addition of all our talent.

by Coastie07 on Dec 11, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Shhh - nobody here wants to douse the fire with reality

It is more fun and gives them more a feeling of power to demand changes and hope they get them. Never mind that the changes are downhill for sure.

They don’t want to know that NBA coaches get fired because they lose their teams. Disrespect, disinterest, disintegration, dislike of the coach by the players (not the vocal fans) along with losing will bring a change.

But be careful what they ask for. Perhaps by design there is not a single coach on that list who is as good a coach as Nate. None of them were selected to coach on the Olympic team. None of them have built an NBA team from 21 wins to 54 wins in three seasons. None of them have improved an NBA team defense every year (including this year’s whopping 4.7 defensive rating improvement despite losing its top two defenders). But perhaps this is EngineerScotty’s purpose – to demonstrate the futility of talking coaching change without a better candidate available. Just think – we could have had Marc Iavaroni!

I do know there are many who want to disparage the recent achievements of KP and Nate. On balance there is still absolutely no evidence that they are not preeminent in the league in their respective fields. Sportswriters get paid to draw readers and nothing draws the readers better than sensationalism fueled by speculation clothed in analysis. Some of us still trust in KP. He will know when a change is needed. But for here we would not dare to voice such belief because the popular vote is beginning to swing (like President Obama’s) and the masses will trample us to death if we get in their path.

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 11, 2009 9:12 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

My purpose wasn't to ridicule the idea

Some of the coaches on the list would be a definite step down IMHO; some would be a lateral move. And the crop of assistants are unknown quantities.

OTOH, as you point out, what frequently matters most is not whether the coach is good at Xs and Os, or Ws and Ls, but whether or not he has lost the locker room. Losing your players is fatal in the pros.

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 11, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Dwane Casey is an Eddie Sutton protégé first and foremost, as well as a George Karl guy second.

Casey and Terry Stotts, who were each Karl underlings, now work in Dallas under Rick Carlisle — who was the Seattle SuperSonics color commentator during the 2000-2001 season — and they don’t belong under the Nate McMillan coaching tree.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 10, 2009 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

George Karl gave Dwane Casey a job as an assistant coach with the Seattle SuperSonics, but he ...

stayed on through the Paul Westphal and Nate McMillan regimes. I, moreover, am sure Casey would’ve made his mark on the college game if he had the option, except the Chris Mills scandal killed that shot.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 10, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish we can get Rick Adelman , but not gonna happen

Look at what he has done ! his team play well with, orwithout superstars thats just impressive !

by hillder000 on Dec 10, 2009 8:20 PM PST reply actions  

yeah but he was old then... he's old now!! weird how old people just stay old hu!?

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by faith on Dec 11, 2009 7:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Watch yourself, kid!

Comments like this make me angry.

#52

by jscot on Dec 11, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't bother my conscience one bit.

One less old coot, and Social Security is one step closer to solvency. :)

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 11, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

My early death

would do nothing for your bankrupt social security system.

And here, we’ll have to exterminate an entire generation of old coots to even be able to think about solving our state pension mess.

In other words, I’m not worth executing.

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by jscot on Dec 11, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Details, details

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 11, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Would that then be XFROTW or FFROTW?

"I could almost fall asleep when he's got the ball," Demopoulos said of Roy. "That's how comfortable I feel with him. He always comes through."

by lee3022 on Dec 12, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Coaches

the problem with Nate is he is Stubborn, he has a way he wants his team to play and he doesn’t budge from that, we need a coach that is going to play to our players strengths and not try to have the players play to the coaches strengths, no more of the cookie cutter player ideal for nates plays, let the players play and develop plays that fit there strengths (not just roy’s) and see what happens. He also needs to get away from what worked when he was a player and realize that the game has changed and it requires a different type of PG. I would be happy with any coach who was not so set in his ways.

Draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Dec 10, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions  

This championship has gone from opening

to can’t see it in the foreseeable future. Nate is the main problem IMO. I dont think the capacity is there.

Oden and his obstacles is the other. Rick Adelman made minced meat out of McMillan. Adelman has not been a championship winner. If Nate is going to grow that far it will take a LOOOONG time, even then, dont think the capacity is there. That’s why it scares me to think we have him for better or worse. Waste of time.

Land Rondo.

"He needs to realize that he can't stop every shot, especially from a smaller and offensively potent player. Get your hands up, make him shoot it over you, but let him shoot every once in a while. They score a little but you stay in the game a lot. And when you stay in the game...smashy smashy!" Dave on Greg Oden

by loyal_blazer on Dec 11, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions  

No way do they fire Nate and no way does Nate walk away

I like Nate as our coach. But if I had to pick I would say, Scott, Avery, Adelman in no order.

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by cavejunctionblazer on Dec 10, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

BLAZERSEDGE THAT'S WHO!!!

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by faith on Dec 10, 2009 11:14 PM PST reply actions  

I can see how the timeout discussions would go.

Roy, “So beedybird@twitter says we need to not drift so far from he shooters”
LMA, “Yeah but kingjames@twitter says to double Ilgauskas”

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by DaNoose on Dec 11, 2009 5:10 AM PST up reply actions  

The huddle continues

Blake: “N.McMillan@twitter says 42 minutes isn’t enough for me. Man, this guy sounds just like my agent!”

by JonathanPDX on Dec 11, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

We could write a book, like d'Antoni did.

“140 Characters or Less”.

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 11, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I for one would be greatly surprised if Nate were fired or ...

… his contract not renewed.

I suspect there is a chance that McMillan chooses not to extend his contract, but the decision would be his.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 11, 2009 8:41 AM PST reply actions  

I see two chances that Nate gets fired

Th first is if KP/PA (either one) insists on playing Bayless more, and Nate refuses.

The second is if Roy and LMA (both of them) tell KP they’ve lost confidence in Nate.

The likelihood of Nate being fired this year, after all the injuries, is probably less than 1 in 50. It certainly is not even money, not even close. The injury to Greg virtually guaranteed Nate job security until the end of the year.

The response to the injuries could impact an extension this summer. But Nate, to me, is the kind of coach that is able to get poor/mediocre teams to pull off more wins than you would expect given their talent level, and we are right now probably only a little on the plus side of mediocre. We’re (in my estimation) a .500 win team right now, at least until Rudy returns, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we manage to perform at or near .500 against the toughest month of the schedule — and Nate will have a job next year as well.

If Nate were to go, I’d be happy with Thibodeau, Frank, and Budenholzer (no particular order).

I would be shocked and amazed if we were to go with Messina. I would be nervous, but actually very excited, about that. In general, the Euroleague doesn’t stress one on one play. We’d see a lot more off the ball movement, more passing, etc., if he’s a typical Euro coach. We’d see Greg with the ball in the post a lot, I’m guessing, not to do a lot of the back it in, muscle up a shot, but as the hub around which cutters would flow, utilizing Greg’s passing skills extensively.

I would not be distressed to see Monty as the new head coach, either.

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by jscot on Dec 11, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

Excellent thoughts

I feel the same way about Messina and would be excited to see us gamble in this way even though there is a possibility of it backfiring. In reality though, I like the idea of the, “European influence,” coming back across the waters and challenging the ideas of the mother land. I would be interested to see how their concepts would hold up against our one-on-one concepts and individualistic players. Would Messina end up being pressured into playing the easy way or would he be able to fight his way through to the promised land of team basketball? It would be interesting to see.

#52

by KINGofMACct on Dec 12, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

So KP and staff are a great evalkuator of talent

except when it comes to the coaches sitting on the bench?

#52

by Tiparillo on Dec 11, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

I love everyone making excuses and justifying his blatant subpar job....justify away my friends.

See if he is capable of winning this team a championship. After we’ve wasted all that time, it will be too late. Thanks

Land Rondo.

"He needs to realize that he can't stop every shot, especially from a smaller and offensively potent player. Get your hands up, make him shoot it over you, but let him shoot every once in a while. They score a little but you stay in the game a lot. And when you stay in the game...smashy smashy!" Dave on Greg Oden

by loyal_blazer on Dec 11, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

whatever your face

bahaha

Land Rondo.

"He needs to realize that he can't stop every shot, especially from a smaller and offensively potent player. Get your hands up, make him shoot it over you, but let him shoot every once in a while. They score a little but you stay in the game a lot. And when you stay in the game...smashy smashy!" Dave on Greg Oden

by loyal_blazer on Dec 11, 2009 2:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Easy Q, easy A:

ME!!

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by staylost on Dec 11, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

Of course it would not be an easy decision

when it comes to who would be the perfect guy to replace Nate. Nate has done an exceptional job up till now. He brought us up from the bottom of the league and right into the Playoffs. But to coach a Championship winning team you need experience, Playoff experience. Nate has none, our players have none either so where do we get that from? Simple solution is to get a new coach WITH experience. Only about half the coaches mentioned on this post have Playoff experience, Scott, Avery J, Jeff Van Gundy. I refuse to count Franks 2 short trips.
There is also no doubt in my mind that Nate can coach a team to a Championship but it won’t happen in the next 10 years. Is Adelman the same coach he was back in the 90s with us? No! Even though he has never won a title, he’s been to the Finals, Conference Finals numerous times. He coaches a team baised on the players that he has and not the other way around. He has coached a really fun and exciting offensive team like the Kings and now he coaches a really good defensive team in the Rockets. As soon as he was hired by Houston he knew that he had to change styles from his Sacramento days because now he had Yao. We also know that he is not afraid to take a chance on a young PG. Once he felt comfortable with Brooks, he traded away the player that would take away minutes from Brooks and handed him the keys to the team.
The question should be, How do we get Rick Adelman away from the Rockets?

by VinnyB on Dec 12, 2009 5:40 AM PST reply actions  

Of course, Adelman's first playoff experience

(as a head coach) was a 3-game sweep in 1989.

Next season, he was coaching a team in the Finals.

The rise of the early 90s Blazers was an interesting phenomenon, if for no other reason that the “lost season” of 1988/89, when the team’s expectations (which were high) went quickly south as injuries took their toll, a few positional battles got nasty (Duck vs Bowie, Vandeweghe vs Kersey), and the coach got tossed under the bus by the team’s superstar.

Could this season turn out similar? Nate’s a FAR better coach than Mike Schuler was, but some of the same dynamics are present.

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 12, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate’s a FAR better coach than Mike Schuler was

Are you sure? Mike brought help defense concepts with him from the Bucks, and the team won over 60% of their games during his first 2 years with Portland. Of course, he couldn’t get the team out of round 1 (which Nate hasn’t done yet, either, in Seattle or Portland) and was fired because Clyde chaffed under Schuler’s disciplinarian style.

Following his Portland firing, the single-minded Schuler was a career NBA assistant, but that doesn’t make him a FAR worse NBA coach than McMillian. Adelman got the job because he let Drexler get away with his poor practice habits, and who knows how many playoff games the lack of fundamental execution cost Portland?

I don’t want to see another young talented core of Blazer players get “close” but not reach the pinnacle of their abilities because their coaching staff is mediocre. Life is too short to wait another 20+ years for the next Blazer championship team.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 12, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions  

W-L records in '86-89

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/POR/

’86-87…49-33. Best Portland record in 10 years, Schuler wins coach of the year. Team loses to Houston and their “twin towers” 3-1 in the 1st round.

’87-88…53-29. Team averaged 116ppg, 2nd in NBA. Kersey takes over starting SF instead of Kiki, both average nearly 20ppg. Lost 3-1 to Jazz in round 1 (Bobby Hansen killed us)

‘88-89…39-43. Mike’s team was 25-22 when Clyde orchestrated the palace coup. Under Adelman the team finished 14-21 and barely kept the franchise’s playoff streak alive. Got swept by L*A and a fan yelled “Sabonis!” at the end of game 3. More defense was needed, and was on the way with the Bowie-Williams trade. If Buck had played for Schuler, I suspect they’d have won a few playoff series together.

I’m not saying Rick was a bad coach, but he was very inexperienced back in the late ‘80s. His only prior head coaching experience was at Chemeketa before he was elevated, and his cozy relationship with Clyde was the main reason why he was chosen for the job. My last memories of the great ’89-92 teams were they were athletic but lacked BBIQ. The Pistons, L*kers and Bulls exposed this weakness, in the finals. If Drexler’s Blazers had the current (more-experienced) Adelman at the helm, they would’ve won three titles, and probably more.

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by two4larue on Dec 12, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

typo

“My last memories” should’ve read “My lasting memories”

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by two4larue on Dec 12, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The Blazers defense under Schuler was terrible

Far worse than anything the team is playing right now.

Some of that has to do with personnel—Kiki Vandeweghe was a terrible defender, as was Steve Johnson; Kevin Duckworth wasn’t much better. Kenny Carr and Caldwell Jones were decent enough defenders, but had lots of trouble with big men who were any good.

And, as you note (and the reason I brought up Schuler in the first place)—the reason Mike got fired is he lost the locker room, in particular his star. Unfortunately for Schuler, he’s had only one head gig since (with the Clippers) which didn’t last long, after that he seemed to wind up on the “resume gets thrown in the trash” list, that many coaches find themselves on. (Terry Porter is probably on that list right now as well)

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by EngineerScotty on Dec 13, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

The Blazers defense under Schuler was terrible Far worse than anything the team is playing right now.

First of all, it was a different era. Scores were generally higher

Ramsay’s teams weren’t getting much done in the years leading up to the coaching change. I remember the year before Portland lost to Denver in the first round and Schonz closed his broadcast with “and the speculation starts now” It wasn’t easy for the front office to let Jack go, but he was an offensive-minded coach and the decision to draft Bowie (and Sam’s subsequent injuries) proved to be costly

I remember Clyde being enthusiastic about Schuler, at first. Drexler was quoted saying “now I know how Milwaukee was beating us with their defensive rotations” because before Mike came to town, Portland was playing “old school” man-to-man defense (zone defense was still illegal in the NBA). Schuler installed the Buck’s defensive “help” concepts that Adelman later used with the team that went to the finals, and I think Mike should get a little credit for that. In the end, Schuler didn’t know how to relax and give the players a break during a hectic season. Meanwhile, Clyde and Kiki were over at Pal Allen’s mansion shooting hoops with the new boss and Allen let the inmates “run the asylum” and gave Mike the heave ho. In hindsight, it’s hard to argue with the results the team achieved with Rick, but I still think they got outcoached and outsmarted and should’ve won at least one title during that run.

There was Schuler-like criticism re: Porter in Phoenix last year, shortly before he was let go. Grant Hill had called a players-only meeting and the rest of the team agreed to give TP one more chance…but then Terry came right back with his “this is what you’re all doing wrong” routine and completely blew up all the good will that Hill had tried to establish. Some coaches just know how to handle young men better than others, and as long as Nate has Roy, LMA and Oden in his corner, I don’t think it will matter much what he does with Blake, Miller and Bayless.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Dec 13, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions  

My thought...

I honestly think that our next coach is our current GM. He built this team and he obviously has his own ideas for how he wants this team to play, so eventually he should take the keys instead of trying to find a coach who can carry out his idea. Just my 2 cents.

by sPresley on Dec 15, 2009 12:27 AM PST reply actions  

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