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by hugetrailblazerfan on Dec 10, 2009 1:15 AM PST
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What about Thabeet?
Memphis has several other big guys so they might be willing to deal him. He would help us out with rebounding/interior defense and provide an insurance policy in case Greg never becomes the all star we’re all hoping for. Thabeet for Outlaw straight up would work and supposedly Memphis has shown interest in Outlaw in the past. Yes, the Blazers would be trading for potential, but he would definitely get some time here (probably more than in Memphis at the moment) so he may develop faster/be happier.
I know Memphis likes giving away their players and all
But even they aren’t going to give away their #2 draft pick for injured Outlaw and his expiring contract. What do they get? At best a couple months of play out of Travis, then he’s a free agent. Memphis isn’t so desperate to unload money that they’ll just dump Thabeet.
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
As long as they keep passing the ball
they are a pretty good team. And Thabeet has the potential to erase a lot of defensive mistakes.
#52
I don't think anyone will give us value in a Trade right now
they know were hurt and probably think they could have the upper hand, KP won’t let it happen so I think that he would rather not do anything then trade for less. Also Victor Claver rules no way we trade him.
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If
we made this trade, we would be trading solid long term assets for risky ones. Maybe Hinrich can stay healthy. Maybe Thomas will get his head on straight and develop further. Maybe Gray could give us some backup big man minutes (something he is not doing much of in Chicago). They would be getting three proven players, a player with quite a bit of potential and a fair amount of cash up front.
#52
Blake is not a proven player.
He’s older than Hinrich and career wise he’s proven to be way less consistent. At the very least Hinrich is going to give you solid defense and a little more than Blake on offense. So far Blake has had one decent season (Last year) and even then he was one of the worst starting point guards in the league.
Thomas is already a better than Outlaw at PF if he never developed at all. He’s not a very good SF, but next year we don’t really need one with Batum coming back.
Besides Outlaw the only real asset we would be giving up is Miller, who wouldn’t work well next to Rose, so I’m not sure they would even want him.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2009 8:36 AM PST up reply actions
I would disagree about Blake
he has proven what he can and can’t do in the NBA, you know that on most nights he will shot the 3 at a decent percentage, not turn the ball over, not take risks, not run the brake well, defend the best he can, and give good effort. He is not some unknown type of player.
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He's proven that he's below average for a starter.
He doesn’t turn the ball over because he just swings it around the perimeter. Half the time he’s not even initiating the offense, so of course he doesn’t turn it over much.
So yeah, I guess that he’s not exactly some unknown type of player. My point is that he’s not proven himself to be super valuable. In a trade, besides his expiring contract, I wouldn’t consider him a real asset.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions
Blake or Miller, not both
I don’t see Blazer management trading both Blake and Miller in one deal, especially when the guy they’re getting in return has had injury problems this year. It’ll be one or the other. I’d prefer to trade Blake, but Miller is a better trading chip.
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This trade is ok...
but I can’t help but wonder if Miller>Hinrich and Outlaw>Thomas? True, Outlaw is hurt, but he will be back next season. On top of that we would be giving up Blake and Claver. I could care less about Gray. In the long run is that what is best for the team?
I like the idea though of consolidating our talent. I just think we are giving up too much through your proposed trade for what seems like a lateral move at best. I’m not totally sold on the idea of Hinrich yet anyway, so that is probably making me a little biased here. But if you feel he is the missing piece, then I can see why you would be willing to give up so much for him.
the two players I would like to see on this years team
via trade would be
Brandon Bass – he is the lost man on Orlando, not sure if they will trade him though his $4 million salary is pretty small. He would be an awsome backup for LMA for this year and beyond.
Mike Miller – I would only want him on this years team, for added scoring and rebounding punch. Miller is a decent defender and has a better performace history than Martell, he might even teach Web a thing or two. His contract is expiring after this season, but if the Blazers use Travis in the trade they could resign him to back up Batum next year, if they price is right.
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They recently said they were definitely not trading Bass.
Not sure if they really meant it or not.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions
That's just posturing
They would trade Bass if they got a good offer. They’re just making it clear that they don’t need to move him, thus positioning themselves to drive a hard bargain. Ditto with Gortat.
I’d be surprised if Orlando doesn’t move one of those two before the deadline.
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That's my take as well.
Bass isn’t even getting regular minutes at this point, and is behind both Ryan Anderson and Gortat. Blake for Bass would be perfect for both teams since they’re Jason Williams (who is playing surprisingly well) injury away from disaster.
Nope, Travis is the best player in that deal
As much as everyone loved Captain Kirk last year, he’s played like crap this season. He’s worse than Blake.
I think now that Travis’s injury lowered his market value, the Blazers should try to sign him as a scorer off the bench. He’s a great locker room guy and one of the best bench scorers in the league. He was doing some good things rebounding and playing D this year. He’s still very young.
I agree with usmcr – the obvious guy to target would seem to be Bass. I would give up Blake or Miller in a heartbeat for him. As some have pointed out, though, you couldn’t really do that until another guard is back in the line up – right now this team only has four healthy guards and one SF on the roster.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
I actually think Travis and Miller are the best players in that deal
But like I said above, if the OP really values Hinrich and TT over Outlaw and Miller I can see why he proposed it. I do agree, we need to start consolidating our talent, and looking towards next year and beyond.
the obvious guy to target would seem to be Bass. I would give up Blake or Miller in a heartbeat for him. As some have pointed out, though, you couldn’t really do that until another guard is back in the line up
To make the salaries match on a Miller-Bass deal, another Magic player would need to be added…like Anthony Johnson or JJ Redick. I’m not sure there’s room for 2 “Brandons” on this team, and Bass isn’t the scrappy rebounder or post defender that I would prefer to have backing up LMA. BB’s just a shorter/wider version of LMA, who specializes in the pick and pop, and Portland already has a more energetic backup PF to do that, in Dante
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Bass is a very good defender at the 4
it’s when he has to defend the 5 that there are problems. He wouldn’t have to do that here. His offense is a perfect fit for Nate that prefers mid range J’s to 3’s from his PF. He’s also fine on the boards for the 4.
Nate that prefers mid range J’s to 3’s from his PF
I thought he liked his backup PFs to shoot corner 3s (Travis)
He’s also fine on the boards for the 4.
I’ve read stats on BE that have said the opposite, that Bass is a below-average rebounder for his position
Not that I wouldn’t mind acquiring BB, I just don’t know that he he’s the banger/beast/bulldog that Portland really needs, backing up LMA. And I’d rather have a guy who can really play center, so LMA doesn’t have to “kind of” do it
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I hear you on the LMA front
Bass and LMA don’t fit on the court together. Bass has had his rebounding numbers shrink this year, but that’s going to happen when the majority of your minutes come with Howard on the court, and the rest come with Gortat. Last year he outboarded his counterpart (by a small amount, but still).
I heart corner 3’s and as soon as I see LMA taking more of them, I’ll agree with you about Nate’s philosophy including them. I WISH 3’s were included. Maximizing efficiency is huge. With what we got, and how Nate coaches, you can’t ask for much more than Bass. It’s a huge boon to have a guy like Bass shoot those mid rangers, making your worst offensive possessions hurt less.
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hollinger answered my question in his chat today
Ben (Portland)
John, do the Blazers have to make a deal this year? KP has struggled to complete in season trades so far, but with only 9 healthy players and really only 6 healthy rotation playres left he has to make something happen right? Would Orlando give up Bass? Or Washington give up Miller for what the Blazers can offer?
John Hollinger (12:58 PM)
Blazers will look really hard at any deal for a stretch 4 who can replace what Outlaw was giving them. That’s the big priority right now. I also think they wouldn’t mind dealing for a true 3, and it’s my sneaking suspicion that if Caron Butler came available they’d say yes in a nanosecond.
Butler would be nice, but he is not a defensive guy really. Still for this season he would be a welcomed addition for additional scoring. But what happens with Batum? Does he move to the bench? I would assume he would, unless Butler can be that 6th man type, and who knows if he would accept such a role.
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That’s awesome you got Hollinger to answer you.
As for adding Butler. He would be fantastic this season. However, next year it could be tricky with Batum coming back. That being said, you would hope Nate could find a way to utilize both Butler and Batum. In reality, though I like him less, the better fit would be Antwan Jamison…he has a huge contract, so it’s probably not going to happen, but he would be that “stretch 4” who can rebound and hit the 3.
Batum probably wouldn't mind coming off the bench.
Coming back after missing a year is pretty rough. Butler isn’t a great defender, but he’s not bad by any means. I would be down with it.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions
espn trade machine
says that Blake, Outlaw and Pendy for Butler works
But would the Wiz really do this? I know they are over the cap and luxury tax, which would mean this trade could save them almost $20 million next year depending on who they resign. Although they would save a few million this year as well because of the difference in salaries that are being traded in this proposal. Unless the Wiz give up on the season I don’t see them doing this, because the only real value to them in this deal is the expiring deals of Blake and Outlaw.
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Probably not
If the Blazers were the only team offering, maybe Washington goes for this kind of salary dump, but you can count on the fact that someone else will be willing to couple expirings with a better prospect than Pendergraph in exchange for Butler. So we wouldn’t win the bidding war with this offer. I don’t think the Blazers are going to be able to get an all-star or near all-star caliber player in exchange for Blake/Outlaw unless we also throw in Rudy or Batum. Which is basically where we were last year with RLEC.
Bass might be obtainable with Blake or Miller, but we’d likely have to include couple picks and/or the rights to Claver.
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Maybe if we throw in one of our Euros
Freeland or Claver.
Not sure Butler is a great choice. We’re fried this year anyway (as far as contention, we should still make the playoffs if we get our act together), and next year we don’t need a starting SF.
Not that I wouldn’t take him, but there is a limit to how much I’d want to give up for him.
#52
"next year we don’t need a starting SF."
Well, technically we do need a starting SF.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions
What I meant
is that next year, Nic will be our starting SF. If we’re talking about next year and beyond, starting SF is not exactly our greatest need. We have Martell and Travis as backups (I’m assuming Travis stays).
Sure, Butler is better than Nic, though how much longer he will be remains to be seen. But is he enough of an upgrade over Nic to justify the cost, especially since acquiring him probably limits Nic’s development? That seems doubtful to me.
#52
Batum can play PG, SG, and SF
at least in my opinion. He can defend all 3 of those positions. The issue is whether or not you have the ball handlers to run an offense with Batum at the 1 or 2. I have always been told you are what you can defend in the NBA.
Butler would absolutely start over Batum.
Here is a post I made waaay back (note the RLEC references) about JC Butler (his first name is actually James). If we could somehow get him as our starting three I would trip. Not sure it’s anymore likely that we could get him now, especiallly without RLEC.
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I know I'm going to get killed for this...but
what about making a move for Carlos Boozer? Trade Outlaw, Blake, Pendergraph and we have about $2 million in trade exception (I think) for Boozer. The Jazz will probably get better offers, but if they don’t move him by the
February deadline, he’s walking away for nothing in the summer. It’s worth a shot.
We need low post scoring badly…and Boozer is a better low post scorer and rebounder than LMA. But he also shoots the midrange jumper very effectively. Then turn around and offer LMA and Andre Miller for CP3 (who cares if they have David West also).
Our new “dream team” (I say dream b/c it’s very unlikely to happen):
Guards: Roy, CP3, Bayless, P. Mills
Fowards: Boozer, Batum, Martell, Cunningham
Centers: Oden, Pryz
Sure, we’d have to pick a few D-League guys in order to field a team this season, but we’d have some sick talent.
actually
I think it’s probably in both Utah and Boozer’s best interest to work some sort of sign-and-trade in the offseason. Preserves his Bird rights, I believe. I also think Boozer is playing too well for Utah to trade him right now.
But if they were willing, I’m not sure that’s the best use of our assets. The LMA/CP3 is not happening (and probably couldn’t for various CPA reasons). LMA is our long term PF, so we wouldn’t resign Boozer and he would walk. He’d basically be a really expensive short term rental.
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All right, AK, you don't have to pretend you're somebody else...
Miller, Blake and Outlaw (the rights to Victor Claver or next years 1st round pick) plus $3 million dollars cash for Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and Aaron Gray.
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Here is the PG that the Bulls will want: BAYLESS.
I wouldn’t trade Rex for Hinrich straight up, myself…
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..................... We already have 1 Steve Blake, why do we want 2???
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No one should confuse Blake for Hinrich.
Hinrich draws three times as many fouls as Blake and their defense is pretty different I would say. The fact that Hinrich has had a rough first 14 games doesn’t bother me much. Plus he’s been injured, what’s Blake’s excuse?
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Me neither.
I’m kind of “over” getting an all-star caliber PG alltogether. Doesn’t seem that the specific skill-set a great PG could provide fits our game plan.
I like what I’ve seen out of Bayless though. If B-Roy is going to handle the ball this much it makes perfect sense to have a quick-speedy guy who can stay in front of a PG on defense and then make that same PG work hard on defense. If he continues to attack the rim and improve his jumper – he could be our guy.
I always say the best way to stop a fast speedy point guard isn’t by locking them down (nobody can stay with the top guys) it’s making them work hard on defense and take their focus off running the offense.
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AK formats more prettily.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
Trade thought
I’ll just show the deal for the Blazers:
Trade:
Pryzbilla
Blake
Miller
2010 2 round
2011 1 round
Recieve:
Gerald Wallace
Antawn Jamison
Position:
Bayless/ Roy/ Mills
Roy/Webster
Wallace/ Webster/ Cunningham
Jamison/ Cunningham
Aldridge/ Howard
This lineup would run a bit faster and would get easier buckets because nobody could be doubled teamed with so many skilled shooters. Even though the team would be smaller at pf and center they would actually be a much better rebounding team with an above average rebounder in Roy, very good rebounders in LaMarcus and Jamison, and an incredible rebounder in Wallace.
Minutes Distribution:
Roy: 35
Wallace: 40
LaMarcus: 35
Jamison: 35
Webster: 30
Bayless: 25
Cunningham: 15
Mills:10
Howard:15
Just a trade I’ve been thinking about.
by philthebballplayer on Dec 10, 2009 4:24 PM PST reply actions
Gerald Wallace is an all-star this year.
He’s not going anywhere.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 10, 2009 7:08 PM PST up reply actions
well brandon bass looks like a good team to trade with ..... send them either miller or blake and cash
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If KP sent Miller to ORL for Bass
The Magic would have to send JJ Redick or AJohnson back with Bass, to “balance” the salaries
And Mills would have to be waived
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Good post.
I’ve always liked Hinrich’s game. Bringing in Tyrus Thomas and Aaron Gray would for sure help that front line. Aaron Gray would at least give you someone who is sort of a threat to score down low, though he probably wouldn’t play much but he would be a good player to have this season. But I’ve always been nervous that the Blazers would make a trade that would only help them this season and not give them any long term benefits. This helps the team now and it will help the team down the road. Hinrich is a outstanding point guard who can defend and shoot and he would clearly play better with Roy then Andre Miller. I’m an Andre fan but he just doesn’t fit. But yeah I hope that the Blazers can pull this deal off. If they can it would definitely restore some excitement to this season.
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