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Game 20 Recap: Blazers 100, Heat 107

Well...hmmm.  As far as losses go this was a better loss than the last two.  The Blazers didn't get obliterated because of lack of effort.  They got bitten by injuries again and suffered from the resulting lack of continuity and scoring options.  But having to say that is so 2007 it might as well be a pair of Crocs.  The truth is the Blazers lost.  They made a few runs at it.  They didn't let the game escape them entirely.  They didn't give up.  But they lost.  Nothing supersedes winning percentage right now.  This is not a developmental team.  This is a team accelerating on the runway and trying to take off.  They need momentum to achieve V1 speed.  Going into this mini-break they don't have it.  There's a ton of runway left but this isn't the most pleasant part of the ride for us passengers.

The news of the night was LaMarcus Aldridge sitting out the game with a knee bruise.  Along with the absence of Nicolas Batum and Travis Outlaw that's three of our top four forwards gone...every player who played significant minutes at any forward position last season.  We were left with Martell Webster, Dante Cunningham, and Juwan Howard to fill those spots, plus whatever guard we could shanghai to play small forward while Webster sat.  Cunningham started the game alongside Martell with Blake, Roy, and Oden.  Immediately the Portland defense got exposed.  It wasn't so much that individuals were playing poorly, rather everybody sported their usual weaknesses but the rotations were confusing and slow because of the change.  That's not Dante's fault.  He was hustling as usual.  It's just hard to snap together when you haven't had court time under pressure and it showed.  The Blazers couldn't get out to cover Miami's shooters.  Once they started hitting the interior defenders were obligated to move a couple steps out, in turn allowing the perimeter defenders to play up tighter against the jumper.  That freed the middle for Miami's mismatches:  Wade and Beasley.  It would begin a litany of scoring from each.  One of them or the other was abusing us all night as we just didn't have the men to shut them down.  Every time we sent help the jump shooters reared their heads again.  And that was it.  The problem in this game wasn't offense, though that could have been better.  It was Miami approaching 30 points in every quarter that mattered.

Naturally the thinned-out bench didn't help much defensively.  Three of the four main guys off the pines--Howard, Miller, and Fernandez--are problematic defenders...and not in the good way.  The fourth is Joel Przybilla but he got so turned around trying to cover for everybody and their uncle out there that he picked up 5 fouls in an almost totally ineffective 14 minutes.  The Blazers got no reprieve.  The Heat faced little serious defensive challenge.

The offense was a mixed bag, hot and cold.  The initial plan was to run the offense through Brandon Roy.  The backup plan was to run the offense through Brandon Roy.  If those didn't work there was an emergency audible:  running the offense through Brandon Roy.  As plans go, it's not the worst one in the world, especially with the starting lineup featuring two non-scorers and four guys who can't create for themselves.  However the Tri-Fold Brandon Scheme does suffer the drawback of being slightly predictable.  Within about a nanosecond the Heat had figured out it might be a good idea to send three men, a popcorn vendor, a blow-up Santa doll, and Blaze the Trail Cat at Brandon every time he touched the ball.  He still scored and after Andre Miller came in he was able to move the ball around to teammates better but we just weren't able to generate enough consistent offense without a full slate of options.  Add to that the fact that until midway through the fourth quarter Roy himself was the only three-point shooter connecting with even a shade of consistency and you start to smell the trouble the Blazers were in.  (Remember the Heat are scoring near 30 a quarter at this point.)

This begs the question:  What happened to Greg Oden offensively?  Well, maybe the question isn't begged but I begged a little for them to get him the ball while watching the game.  Greg did draw 2 fouls in the first 3 minutes of the game and sat out the rest of the first quarter, so there's your early answer.  After he returned they got him the ball every once in a while, but not enough.  Granted, his non-rebound-generated offense pretty much consisted of three missed jump hooks and no makes so you can argue he wasn't getting the job done.  But one intentional shot per quarter does not a job make.  Also as you notice the misses notice how many players are occupied not only guarding him but having to back up the initial defender to prevent the spin move and dunk.  Oden's misses free up opportunities for offensive rebounds because of the attention he draws.  It's a fairly high percentage move to involve him.  My druthers would be to feed him first and let everybody else take easier perimeter shots as a result.  Even after he was available the Blazers continued to do it the other way, working from the perimeter first.  It wasn't enough.

Portland destroyed the Heat on the boards and as a result of 21 offensive rebounds generated 87 shot attempts to Miami's 75.  They attempted and hit more free throws than the Heat did.  They hit one more three-pointer than the Heat did.  Assists, steals, turnovers, and points in the paint were pretty much even.  The Blazers scored 11 fast break points while the Heat managed only 3.  So far this sounds like a win.  But Portland ended up shooting 39% while Miami topped 53.  Wade scored 22, Beasley 27, and the returning Quentin Richardson 20.  The only guy north of 20 for the Blazers was Roy with 25.  And those latter numbers trumped all of the former ones.

Click through for Individual Notes, Links, Jersey Contest Results, and Final Thoughts

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Individual Notes

Brandon Roy did what he could tonight.  I liked his energy.  He was taking the game seriously.  He just had to battle uphill with the defensive pressure being thrown at him.  He didn't receive all of the help he needed and he probably didn't take full advantage of the help that he got.  But things were a bit chaotic out there and Brandon battled through the center of the storm.  He mixed up drives and jumpers and came away with 25 points on 25 shots plus 5 rebounds and 5 assists.

Andre Miller was no help defensively but he looked pretty natural playing off the ball, slicing the Heat with a couple of nice cuts, receptions, and scores.  When he did dribble he drove, drawing 12 foul shots and hitting 10.  He did miss two free throws late that had the potential to keep us in comeback position but the full comeback was unlikely at that point anyway.  18 points and 6 assists off the bench.

Juwan Howard had a strong offensive night, hitting 6-8 in 27 minutes and providing 14 points off the bench.  He proved he could still hit his jumper when called upon.  He had 5 rebounds and 2 assists as well.  Unfortunately he was powerless to stop Beasley or really anyone.  Still, had Miller and Howard not scored big off the pines this game would have been a rout of epic proportions.  Geezer Power!

Greg Oden hit only 4 of 13 shots but he managed 13 points by virtue of 5-8 free throw shooting.  Oh yeah...he also got 20 rebounds, 11 offensive.  Oh yeah...he also had 4 blocks.  I wasn't thrilled about the two early fouls, especially since the second was of the variety the refs had to call.  (He was hanging on to Jermaine O'Neal's wrist forever after tangling up with him.)   He needed to remember both his situation and the team's.  But despite still being as raw as tuna tartar the guy keeps bending space around him and warping the game.  As long as he works at his craft he's going to be a devastating force someday.  Possibly next year even.

Dante Cunningham got the start in place of Aldridge.  I liked the early energy he provided.  He was not always in the right position but he worked his tail off.  He looked a little aware of his new situation when he shot, as he hit only 2-6 shots which are normally makeable for him.  But I was pleased overall with his 19 minutes, understanding that we're talking about a rookie in his first start here.

Martell Webster just couldn't hit a shot tonight and we really needed him to.  He scored 11 points in 31 minutes.  Steve Blake scored 9 in 25 minutes but he didn't score at all until the final period.  You just can't have that from two of your starters when you're also short-handed.  You end up handing the opponent a Get Out of Defense Free card.  I guess I'll amend that...you can have it if a guy is doing everything else right:  rebounding, hustling every minute, playing lockdown defense, affecting the game in other ways.  That's not Martell and Steve though.

Joel Przybilla got neutered out there.  Between the leaky defense and the refs (quite appropriately) blowing whistles he just never had a chance.

Rudy Fernandez hit 1-5 shots in 18 minutes.  Maybe there's a complaint to be made about the 18 minutes.  There's also one to be made about the 20% shooting though.  We needed him so badly tonight.  If his shot were falling, even if his shot had been falling consistently this season before this, he'd have played a ton.  I want to argue he should be given a chance to play minutes like Webster and Blake did but at this point it looks like a lateral move, which in this case is not a good thing.

Jerryd Bayless got 3 minutes.  He didn't look worse than anyone else.  The short run probably had something to do with the Heat packing it in all night which doesn't allow him to take best advantage of his gifts.  Then again, he actually hit the only shot he took and it was deep.  I'd say it was the defense but nobody else had any either.

Final Thoughts

The good news is that the Blazers now take a three-day break.  They badly need to regroup.  The bad news is that Houston is next up.  If you haven't regrouped they'll be happy to clean your clock.  They don't have to play fancy, they'll just lunch-bucket you to death.  The hurdle isn't impossibly high or anything, but there's no chance of it lowering just because you're having a bad run.

Boxscore

See if Miami has anything to say about us over at PeninsulaIsMightier.com.

Here's your Jersey Contest Scoreboard for the night.  Whoever Darkwebs is he didn't have much confidence in the Blazers.  You can enter the form for the Houston game here.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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way to lenient on Roy, I think

good effort and hustle in Q1, poor in the other 3 quarters. ‘08-’09 Roy continues to be missing.

Also, the team effort, once again was simply not there on defense.

Bayless should have seen more minutes.

Finally, I think there has to be mention of Nate’s decision to go with Howard and Cunningham at the 4/5 in the last several minutes of the first half once Joel picked up his 3rd. Oden had just two fouls at that time. Miami added 6 points to their lead. Oden still had two fouls until he started intentionally fouling to stop the clock.

'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.

by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 11:58 PM PST reply actions  

you nailed it on the last 4 minutes of the first half - i commented on that below as well

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Dec 2, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Until the regulars show signs of life Bayless should see extended minutes

I’m having a hard time believing what I’m seeing. That said, at this point this years Oden is more valuable than this year Roy. It was a shocking, yet important step for Nate Mc to protect him in the first quarter with that technical. If you noticed, the refs called Oden in an almost normal way from that point forward. In a rare win for Nate this year, that must move must be repeated until the officials realize they can’t call Oden like he’s a rookie anymore.

Although Howard was good today, Cunningham is still the better player. As long as Howard sees minutes in Blazer games, this team has no chance to do anything special come the postseason.

There is no excuse for Oden not to play his full 8 minutes at the start of the first quarter and 8 minutes to close the second quarter. The time to take him out would be at the end of the 2nd quarter provided he’s just got his 3rd foul. A top 3 priority for Nate at this point should be to make sure that Oden doesn’t see that third foul until he has played at least 12 minutes, if not more. Calling plays that have Oden making bad offensive screens, or having Oden come out and challenge shots that he’ll have little effect over is going to kill this team. Minimizing Oden minutes on the court are the end all and be all of turning this thing around. When he’s in there he’s our most dynamic player on both ends.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions   3 recs

fully agreed

'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.

by jksnake99 on Dec 2, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Howard was good offensively

defensively, he’s a sieve, especially to a faceup for like Beasley. LMA picked the wrong game to sit out, we just had no one who could even make Beasley work for his points.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Dec 2, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed.

good to see you around again.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Sergio is having a nice season!

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

What do Sergio Rodriguez and Channing Frye have in common?

they don’t play for Nate anymore.

Was it really that hard to have Channing step back two steps or give Sergio free reign for 5 minutes each half?

Answer: Apparently yes.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 12:58 AM PST up reply actions  

and what do you think would happen

if rudy or jerryd left for another team? i think we would have a pretty neat little trend

The only reason i shoot 3's is cuz there ain't no such thing as 4's.

by cpt.morgan.ahoy! on Dec 2, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions  

There are plenty of players that look better with Nate

Roy obviously being the main example. I don’t think Jerryd is wholly unsuited for Nate, but it doesn’t seem he fits ideally either. Rudy would thrive elsewhere.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah i agree.

one part tho is mcmillan has allowed roy to bring his isolation one on one style game to extremes. also steve blake benefits from nate, but not just the style. it also helps nate gives him tons of minutes.

The only reason i shoot 3's is cuz there ain't no such thing as 4's.

by cpt.morgan.ahoy! on Dec 2, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Joel is MADE for Nate’s system. LMA as well.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

where you left off!

why do I feel naughty? :) am glad for Sergio though.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2009 1:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Except for your desire to see Jerryd Bayless get more minutes, I agree with you 100%.

At any rate, though, it’s good to see you back here once again.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Right now he's playing better

I don’t think he’s actually a better player or a better fit for the team, but right now Nate just has to put effective players on the court, and Miller, and Blake just don’t seem to be that right now.

I am very dissatisfied with all of our point guard options at the moment. I can’t believe something more wasn’t done about it in the offseason. Every time I watch Collison or Jennings play a cry a tear of sadness.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Darren Collison would've been perfect here.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2009 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks...

I also saw you call me out for my bad call on Brandon Roy at the 3. That’s fine, and I don’t want Roy starting at the 3, but I also don’t think there’s anyway you could call me a proponent of Miller at the 1, Blake at the 2, and Roy at the 3. That lineup isn’t doing anyone any favors. What I wanted then, as I want now, is Roy at the 3 for 18 minutes. That allows Rudy to get his 30 minutes at his rightful position of SG. It doesn’t cost Roy any of his total minutes either.

I heart Jennings, although even I didn’t think he’d be a 50% shooter from deep. That’s just flat ridiculous. I expect him to drop back down closer to the 40% mark by the end of the year.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I was right on that Roy as a SF bandwagon. I definitely think it would turn out differently if Roy was playing against backup 3s instead of Crash, and I think that’s what the argument was at the time.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

For sure.

Blake/Rudy/Roy is a little different than Miller/Blake/Roy. I just don’t think Roy works as a SF because he doesn’t like it, said so himself.

by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 2, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions  

These days there seems to be a lot Roy doesn't want to do

honestly, I’m a little tired of hearing it.

Roy doesn’t want to play with Miller
Roy doesn’t want to play SF
Roy doesn’t want to give it up to GO

We maxed Roy’s value out last year, doing what he wanted to do. We exited the playoffs in round 1 pretty handily. Oden being Oden is a detriment to Roy maxing out his effectiveness. Without Oden we’re not anything more than that team we were last year.

If Roy can’t defend second string SF’s, which he has already proven he can do effectively, Roy becomes a problem. Sometimes you’ve got to man up and do the dirty work. Complaining about this task is a mental breakdown, not a physical one.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 2:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Wouldn't be surprised to see a loss to Houston now

Unfortunately, this was predictable, too. You don’t fix defensive woes like the Blazers’ in two days.

Brandon DID look better tonight, but he still disappeared after that first quarter, for the most part. It sure would be nice to have the Brandon of ‘08 back. I’d still like to see more of Bayless and a lot less Blake. Bayless’s jumper has come along nicely. I don’t think this is some knee-jerk reaction, either. Blake can’t defend anyone, doesn’t do much on O when he’s not spotting up, and he’s not getting any younger as the season progresses. Miller, too, looks slow and his shot is as flat as I’ve ever seen it, but at least the guy knows how to get to the rim and get to the line.

Loved what Dante brought tonight, and I would have liked to see him stick with Besley a little longer.

So. Many. Open. Jumpers. It’s painful to watch this team scramble around to try to get to Richardson when he’s wide open for a three on a simple cross-court skip pass.

Anyway, this was another painful game to watch from the very first moments. I need to get over my obsession with Blake’s poor play, because he’s doing what he’s capable of doing. It’s Nate controlling the rotations. Shooters know it’s tough to come off the bench like Rudy does and knock down threes in rhythm.

My post is all over the place. I’m frustrated and I fear many of these issues won’t be worked out in two weeks.

by travis13 on Dec 2, 2009 12:03 AM PST reply actions  

Nate needs to hike up his trousers like Erkyl.

That would definitely inspire.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 2, 2009 12:06 AM PST reply actions  

I don't even know what

pay for the course means, but it seems right tonight.
what does it mean anyway?

3rd down... chainsaw noise please.

by GoBlaze22 on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions  

PAR for the course

Golf metaphor. An idiom. When you score par for the course, you’ve done just about exactly as expected — metaphorically speaking.

Of course, in real golf, I’m pretty happy if I’m anywhere near par for the course.

by travis13 on Dec 2, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions  

this was a better loss than the last two.

they hung with fight in the first half even though Miami was scorching.

I liked Brandon’s post-game words about taking responsibility for his game. Now if he can just figure out that that includes defense!

something about that 3 guard lineup had Brandon making more effort defensively. Is it cause he had to defend the 3?

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 AM PST reply actions  

Awesome recap, Douglast!

Way to rep in the 1 level too;)

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 2, 2009 12:14 AM PST up reply actions  

almost forgot

mid-3rd quarter Miami took Chalmers out and went big with a Wade/Rich/Jones lineup. We kept Martell on Wade (I thought he actually played him credibly tonight), leaving Blake on Richardson. On the very first possesion, richardson posted Steve up for an easy close in 2. I yelled over to Nate – “Gotta take Blake out, he’s going to get abused”. he glanced over toward me, so I think he may have heard me. But Blake stayed in a while longer.

Speaking of, Nate actually put blake on the Batum plan in the first half – which I’ve been calling for. After coming out after the first 9 minutes of the game, he never went back in until very late in the 2nd quarter, which was a situational substituion at that point. I’d like to see more of that in both halves if Blake is going to continue to start – especially if he isn’t contributing anything.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Dec 2, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions  

!

I love that. Your crafty heckling. Did he look at you like ,“Am I going to have to call the ushers?” or did he look at you like, “Is he right?”

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

Saw that Oden opening

Blake totally missing Oden when he was sealed on the basket side — man, I was furious. You’ve got to get the man that ball. Blake needs to make a quick dribble to his left there and feed Oden.

I’d like to see Blake start on the bench, play the final two minutes of the first two quarters, then sit the rest of the game, Doug. Thanks for getting in Nate’s ear.

by travis13 on Dec 2, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for the recap.

I agree with Dave regarding giving Oden more touches. Yeah, he wasn’t hitting his hook tonight. But, that doesn’t excuse the # of attempts that he didn’t generate on his own since it’s a better consistent look than any of our other players can provide. Even the misses can easily translate into offensive tip-ins for others because for a while in the 3rd quarter, Greg was getting quardruple-teamed every time he touched the ball deep. Too bad he was usually the only one under the basket. Still a monster game by the big man. What a beast.

Still, the biggest problem tonight was lack of LA and issues with defensive rotation because of the makeshift lineups. The offense wasn’t missing much thanks to Juwan, but we sorely missed him on D versus B-Easy. Of course, it’d be nice if we hit some shots as well but we also fell into Roy 1 on 5 a little too early today as well.

by xedubx on Dec 2, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

rec

'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.

by jksnake99 on Dec 2, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

couple more remembrances:

what in the world was Blake thinking when he passed up that wide open fast break layup at the very last second, throwing an awkward low pass to Martell that almost turned into a turnover. did that look as bad on TV as it did in person?

On another fast break chance in the first half, Blake was leading a 4 on 2, and instead of hitting Dante in stride on the right wing, which was a certain dunk, he passed it to one of the two guys on the left wing, both of whom had defenders near them. we ended up having to setup the half court offense.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Dec 2, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

on tv it looked like Wade had Blake measured and would have sent a layup into row J

It also looked like Martell could have caught the pass, though it was certainly well off target. Not a good pass by Steve, but he was right to pass, IMO.

Several of us noted and commented on the 4 on 2 where Dante was wide open.

'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.

by jksnake99 on Dec 2, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

Blake looked foolish on that play, but Wade would’ve blocked his shot if he didn’t give it up. He’s just not equipped to deal with even mildly difficult fast break opportunities. That said, he didn’t have to go all And-1 on the pass, and nearly give it away right there.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions  

he should’ve gone up for the authoritative slam.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Blakey should be working on his squats as we speak.

There’s no telling how many fans he could gain with a throw down in D-Wade’s face. I for one would throw down my allegiance to Miller and back Blake the rest of the way should that happen.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Blake dunked

in a Lakers game in 2006. I remember it vividly. One hand, no problem at all, at least 6 inches above the rim.

"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09

by jamon51 on Dec 2, 2009 1:26 AM PST up reply actions  

rec’d.

Greg has got to be tired of this by now.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know, probably those old birds realized it wasn't the refs causing the problems

and that the Blazers just play bad basketball

couple that with getting robbed again by paying for home tickets and I can understand their anger

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Dec 2, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Tweenerville

What a strange spot to be in. We’re not one of the contenders who are looking forward to a deep playoff run with a shot to win it all, and we’re not bottom feeders drooling over the John Wall Lottery.

The good news is that Oden looks like the guy we drafted despite the foul trouble. And Cunningham is hesitant but he looks like a real rotation player down the road. The forward rotation will get really interesting once everyone is healthy, and don’t we have a couple more sitting overseas?

To me, as a fan, it’s just hard to watch. We’ve seen these guys play well before and for a long time we’ve all said “There is so much talent, once they get some experience and some time to really gel as a team the sky’s the limit.” Sure, they were never lockdown defenders but with such smooth offense and clutch players it just needed to be better defense, not elite. A year ago if you’d said that next year we’ll add a couple guys who have seen it all and one of them is a quality point guard I think many of us would have started pooling money to buy Oden a couple more fingers to hold all his rings.

There’s still a ton of talent on this roster, Roy and LMA haven’t become lesser players just because Oden got good and Miller came in. I just hope this slide is leading to a change, and that this group can get comfortable together and turn it on when it’s needed because nobody is going to coast into the playoffs this year.

by JonathanPDX on Dec 2, 2009 12:13 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

rec

"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09

by jamon51 on Dec 2, 2009 1:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Provided we have LaMarcus back we better show up and win on Saturday.

No excuses anymore. Yes, we’re dealing with injuries. Yes, we played with effort last night. But Brandon Roy in particular needs to grab the horns of this beast known as the Trail Blazers and help Nate run the team. I just don’t see the animated Roy from last season. Maybe it’s the contract. Maybe not. But we really need him out there directing traffic. I just don’t see that right now.

Also, I’m slowly converting to the “for the love of God start Andre Miller” camp. His line last night?

4-9 (10-12 from the FT line) for a total of 18 points. He also added 6 assists and 3 rebounds.

We could really use his offense in the starting lineup. I’m starting to believe that Blake would indeed be more effective on the bench. Brandon just needs to learn how to play with Miller, period. This team won’t truly reach it’s potential until Andre starts.

"Sometimes that light at the end of the tunnel is a train."
-- Charles Barkley

by halo_on on Dec 2, 2009 12:13 AM PST reply actions  

most pathetic thing

about this season so far is that the best pic and roll we’ve seen all year was played by Juwan Howard and Andre Miller. I’m glad we’ve got them on our team, maybe they can show our young guns how to run it properly.

Another thing though…I heard someone complaining that Brandon never passes to the roller on the Pick’nRoll….How can anyone blame him after playing with Joel the past few years. That guy couldnt catch a cold and its created a bad habit for Roy. He needs to trust the rest of the guys…

by abobo84 on Dec 2, 2009 12:24 AM PST reply actions  

Andre actually hit Howard on a nice pick and roll tonight, which ended in a layin for Juwan

I said aloud “finally, someone who actually knows how to pass to a roller”

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Dec 2, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

No doubt

Great pass from Dre to Howard, and yeah, he’s the only PG on this team that makes that play.

Bayless is the only PG who can really play on the ball, though.

by travis13 on Dec 2, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions  

The real problem is that we lost Nic’s #88 and are now tanking in the tominhawaii playoff predictor.

We are doomed.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 12:50 AM PST reply actions  

LMA > Rose.

That’s what Bedge tells me.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 1:10 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm having a hard time getting a feel for value.

What is LMA at his current contract worth? I have a fair recollection on what he was worth beforehand, but at this point, he’s probably worth half that. I was thinking about Rudy Gay, and his value now. He’s signed this year at 4 or 5 million, but if you want him next year he’s going to be 11-13 million per. What reason does a team have to trade for that, and likewise, what reason would they trade for LMA? I’d take Wall over Rose anyway. I’d take just about any PG we were discussing last year over LMA at his current rate (Wall, Rose, Jennings, Rubio, Rondo, Parker). It’s not just that LMA has been playing below his averages which you expect this early in the year (habits die hard), it’s from watching our point guards, and how that’s effected the rest of the team. When Martell has started at SF, he’s been fine, which makes 4 of 5 positions win worthy (SG, SF, PF, C). I’ll take that point guard now. If Cunningham can give solid enough minutes at the 4, why was I so hell bent on hanging onto LMA (who I still think will be a top 5-10 PF)?

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

LMA has been simply bad. I think the team is better with Millsap than him at this point.

I don’t think LMA has much value at all. A player who isn’t producing, is being paid a lot of money in a poor economy, and has seemingly limited room to grow… eh…

This team needs a point guard. Right now there isn’t much left… all the young point guards (there are about 55 good young points right now) found teams that love and appreciate them. Well, I guess there are Conley and Augustin, but Conley has been terrible and Augustin is a meh.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 1:31 AM PST up reply actions  

its simply stunning how many good young PGs there are who aren't Blazers.

'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.

by jksnake99 on Dec 2, 2009 1:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I offer up the Channing Frye solution

why on earth can’t we just have LMA step back 5 feet and get some consistency with a 3 pointer? Channing Frye, worthless of all worthless last year is a competent player in PHX just by learning to make that shot. Aldridge certainly has a good enough jumper to make himself a threat from out there, and that’d give Oden and Roy more room to work from inside. If Oden can kick it out there, and force a big to move with him, doesn’t that mean Oden has legitimate one on one’s working inside? I can’t help but think in the long run that’s a better option than having LMA not quite be an inside threat, and not quite be an elite mid range threat. 38% from 3 is better than 48% from 20 feet in more ways than just points. Watch Bargnani in Toronto, watch Bonner in SA, watch Diaw in CHA, watch Gallinari in NY, watch Lewis in Orlando. If you have to live with that as your first or second option, it wasn’t going to work anyway, but with our high frequency threats on the perimeter with Roy and inside with Oden, plus the roving Rudy/Webby and a point guard also primed to attack like Miller, I think dragging that big guy out to challenge LMA is about 294 trillion times better for the overall offensive scheme. Once teams start to overplay it LMA has the speed to get inside for oops from Miller/Rudy.

by as11osu on Dec 2, 2009 1:50 AM PST up reply actions  

You don't think we're shooting enough 3's?

LMA needs to be taking the ball inside and drawing fouls. Even misses inside turn into more offensive rebounds for Greg as his man has to rotate and help on LMA (more so than long rebounds on 3-pt misses). Then he needs to learn to dump it off to Greg as well, as Greg’s man helps on defense. But the important point is he needs to put more pressure on the other team’s interior defense, draw more fouls on their big men, and leave the 3-pt shooting to Webster/Rudy/Blake/Roy.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 2, 2009 3:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he would say

that LMA shooting 3’s doesn’t prevent him from operating in the paint; instead what we’re saying is, if LMA is going to take long 2-pointers (which he already does abundantly) he might as well step 2-3 feet back and make them 3’s—it’s a better basketball play.

the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery

by NoLook on Dec 2, 2009 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

oh, I would love to see him step back a bit. I die a little every time he takes one of those awful 21-footers.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 8:02 AM PST up reply actions  

rec

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Dec 2, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Frye would not play that well on any other team

I'm sick of all these Dean Demopolis fanboys screaming for Nates's head

by tominhawaii on Dec 2, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions  

So can we please drop the "Look at Channing – obviously proves Nate sucks and KP is stupid>" line of reasoning?

I’m not sure where this line of reasoning was referenced in the original post. His original question:

why on earth can’t we just have LMA step back 5 feet and get some consistency with a 3 pointer?

This is not saying Nate and KP suck. This is asking a simple, logical question of a pretty basic, fixable issue. Channing is still much the same player he was last year, you’re correct. Yet he is getting three points instead of two and that turned him from worthless to pretty effective.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Are you trying to argue that this line of reasoning ...

… hasn’t been expounded on by several posters here this season?

My points do not always have to be confined exactly to those made by the poster I reply to. They can be in response to a general line of reasoning. And it seems pretty difficult to deny that there is a line of thinking here at BE that the success being experienced by guys like Channing is further proof Nate, at a minimum, has significant limitations, if not being outright terrible, as a coach.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 2, 2009 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

The way the nets and Twolves are playing

We already have too many wins to get a lot of lotto balls…

RUDY > MJ

by Rudiculous on Dec 2, 2009 8:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Have we mathematically clinched 28th in the league already?

Almost….

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 2, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I like this comment by Greg

Reporter: “Miami shoots in the 50’s most of the night, tough to cool a team like that off”
Greg: “It is, but for the past three games all the teams have so we got to start looking at us. Gotta do something about that…It all starts with defense”

"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."

by jebuz on Dec 2, 2009 1:03 AM PST reply actions  

Let’s please beat Houston. Everyone in agreement?

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 2, 2009 1:11 AM PST reply actions  

I'm ok with that.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 2, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Oh fine

Just this once, if you behave.

Mort

by Mortimer on Dec 2, 2009 1:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Typo in your link Dave, you're missing the last "i"

That blog isn’t bad. The author sure is a homer. He conveniently left LA being out of his recap.

He said this too:

Despite a couple late scores, Brandon Roy disappeared for most of the game after a big first quarter. Quentin Richardson did a great job on Roy throughout the game, but I still think that the Blazers star needs to be more aggressive. He has way too much talent not to be.

I was really impressed with how good of a defender Steve Blake was. That’s the kind of D the Heat could really use out of the point guard position.

"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP

by tominhawaii on Dec 2, 2009 5:11 AM PST reply actions  

That quote is just so full of fail...

I’m not even going to attempt to dissect it. How about if we trade Miami Blake for Chalmers and make both side happy? I’d even take James Jones.

by xedubx on Dec 2, 2009 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Gotta disagree with Dave about Brandon's effort

I was at the game and spent most of my time when the Blazer’s were on D watching Brandon (after the 4 minute mark, when I knew our gooses were cooked). And it was terrible, the effort was just not there, it was like he was playing at half speed.

More than anyone else on the team he spends a ton of time in no man’s land: 10 feet away from his man, 10 feet away from anyone else, most definitely not helping with team defense on the play. It’s almost like he is trying to find the way to be most useless on defense.

And then when the ball gets swung around, it’s another wide open 3 for Richardson or whoever Brandon is supposed to be covering, or a pump fake and then penetration which totally breaks down the team defense. Sometimes brandon literally didn’t move towards the shooter, just watched him chuck it up. Hand down, man down.

Brandon is supposed to be our leader, setting an example for the team through his play, but he was bringing no effort or intensity to our defense and it showed. His body language was horrible, and sometimes just looked like he was pouting on the court.

And I don’t even want to get started about his effort on offense.

the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery

by NoLook on Dec 2, 2009 7:55 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

yep

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Dec 2, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Unable to watch the game ...

… but a look at the boxscore tells me that

a) Richardson killed us – probably because of the poor defense people refer to

and

b) Portland shot like crap.

Martell, Oden and Roy had terrible shooting percentages. One additional made basket from each of them (which still would have been suck ass shooting) and this is a Portland victory.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Dec 2, 2009 8:07 AM PST reply actions  

most of Oden's attempts were tip trys off of missed shots by others

that is generally a low percentage shot. I counted either 3 or 4 times where he took a jump hook off a post up (missed them all), every other attempt he had was off of an offensive rebound.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Dec 2, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions  

yep

the price to pay for posting 20 boards and having a decent chunk be rebounds from your own missed putbacks is your fg% looks bad.

the poster formerly known as sergioftw, in recovery

by NoLook on Dec 2, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Miami dominated this game, tim.

'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.

by jksnake99 on Dec 2, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

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