Gameday Open Thread: Heat vs. Blazers--Post Game Edition
by Dave on Dec 1, 2009 9:30 PM PST
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Follow up the game with conversation about its ins and outs as you await the Game Recap and Media Row Report. The comment section is now open.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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i guess we didn't "scrap" tonight either
by CleBlazer on Dec 1, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lots of Crap - Scrap? Not so much...
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LMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I <3 LMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26:49 Mins, 7-8 FGs, 10-12 FTs, +7, 6 Off, 12 Rebs, 1 Ast, 2 Blks, 24 Points!!!! ODEN vs Bulls 11-23-09
GOOOOODEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by LaMarvelous on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
20 rebouds for Oden Yeah
"Knowledge will get you from A to B. Creativity will get you anywhere." Einstein
by Garden of ODEN on Dec 1, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
First to say
ugh.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Dec 1, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
UUUGGGHHH!!!!!!!! second
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LMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I <3 LMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
26:49 Mins, 7-8 FGs, 10-12 FTs, +7, 6 Off, 12 Rebs, 1 Ast, 2 Blks, 24 Points!!!! ODEN vs Bulls 11-23-09
GOOOOODEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by LaMarvelous on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Question of the night:
How is www.firenatemcmillan.com still available for purchase? At 10.99 that’s a steal at twice the price!
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your sig and your screen name seem to contradict each other....
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the screenname dates back many moons.
I’ve played once this semester. So far removed from playing everyday in college.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trade Webster
Trade Blake
Trade Pryz
Trade Trout
by fajunga on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just checked the box score for the first time tonight.
didnt watch the game. what happened to lamarcus?
209 H.
by sctdnkl on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
contusion
"The best team in the county right now wears green and goes quack, quack." -Chris Dufresne, LA Times
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not disagreeing with you
"The best team in the county right now wears green and goes quack, quack." -Chris Dufresne, LA Times
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Balzers lack of effort makes me want to bite someones head off
by fajunga on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's alright.
Understood in Gameday threads, usually.
"The best team in the county right now wears green and goes quack, quack." -Chris Dufresne, LA Times
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Dec 1, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right knee bone contusion
how serious is that?
209 H.
by sctdnkl on Dec 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Depends. Anything from 1 game to Greg missing a lot of time last year when it was determined the knee had a chip.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They did x-rays, right?
As far as I know it’s hard to tell how long… just till it doesn’t hurt too much to not play, whenever that is.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard the xrays turned out negative
I also though I heard something about he’s had the injury for a while? Not sure — I was in the middle of swearing and didn’t quite catch it.
by Corvid on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mike said he was hurt a month ago and was resting today because it gives him time off until the weekend
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they mentioned something about already carrying it around for 1 month. I suppose all pro athletes are permanently dinged up a little, but still I’ve lost pretty much all confidence in our training and medical staff.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how we can possibly know enough to lose or have confidence in the medical staff
Every team has guys banged up, if he’s playing through it, all you can do is maintain.
Maybe our staff sucks, but it’s impossible to know or even accurately guess at.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this point it’s pretty safe to say they are in the bottom half of the NBA. Too many incidents of injury mismanagements make the track record spotty. Seems like the only serious injuries that got very well managed were the heart problems. Brandon’s meniscus went pretty well, but was still handled late last summer.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say.
We don’t even know if our young studs are even talking to the trainers/med staff when they hurt.
by Corvid on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How would that be different on other teams? Athletes worth a damn always want to play.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
poor performance?
This may at least partially explain his poor performance lately.
by davebball on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Loved seeing Greg scrapping and busting his butt in the 3rd...
Just so Nate could yank him!! Gregs gotta be like “can I do anything to please this guy?”.
by blazer_bob on Dec 1, 2009 9:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
He was visibly tired
Even the best needs a breather every now and then
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
by jebuz on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's 21, does he play 30 min or less his whole career?
by blazer_bob on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
no, but you need to look at the moment.
He was tired, slowing down, so we give him a breather. Playing center is tough work and it’s harder to play 40 minutes at center compared with 40 minutes at shooting guard. Especially with the hustle Oden puts into every play. He goes out there and is always going 100%. Can’t say the same about Roy or LMA
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
by jebuz on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they were hacking him
Every time he went up for a dunk or shot or rebound, the heat players were hanging on him. That will tire him out. I think Nate should play Pryz and Oden together.
by davebball on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Until he gets used to big minutes
His body will get tired. It’s similar to the rookie wall perfectly in shape young players experience.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
good point
GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEG OOOOOOOOOOOOOODEEEEEEEEEN
by kajuayn on Dec 1, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to put my finger on what happened to the defense...
They haven’t been rotating, the help defense is not there and they can’t seem to stay with guys or get out on shooters. How do you accomplish such a night and day switch?
I thought that it had to be fatigue for the game in Utah and just getting caught off-guard and having a bad night against Memphis, but tonight’s performance against Miami really opened my eyes: The defense is crap right now.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Dec 1, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
To my eyes
Our perimeter dudes ain’t rotating worth a damn. Leaving guys wide open and not reacting quickly.
Tough to watch.
Our inside defense has been good and it’s a great anchor to build around, but c’mon… we gotta cover the outside shooters.
Perhaps it is the zone, the scheme, and thus Nate’s fault, but the guys, the players, get caught flat footed soooo much and don’t seem to remember that some people can make outside shots.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the zone sucks
and when they play man to man, they just don’t get close enough. The other teams shadow our players and stick to them, contesting every pass. Our players need to learn from other teams. Nate’s idea of scrap, help, move is too vague. They need specific training.
by davebball on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller was guarding Wade way too much.
He did a decent job on him (Can you even imagine Blake trying that?), but it would have been nice to stick Batum on him. I think we have really great interior defense and god-awful perimeter defense.
I miss Batum.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nic is one of my favorite Blazers to watch. So smooth, so natural.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's lame that the Blazers didn't cash in his high trade value at the end of last season
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or that of Blake and Travis :-)
I remember posts about freeing up cap space by not picking up their last contract years. As if Nate ever would have done that…
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
defense seemed better today for the most part
we were missing LMA and have rookie playing his first game on a potential all-star, and a really old (but pretty game) dude as second string. beasley lit us up, kind of hard when you’re trying to stop wade and dont have anyone to put on beasley.
we’re having a hard time at the end of quarters though. just those few minutes when the lines sub-in sub out and we lose our cohesiveness
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blurg
Maybe I’m wrong, but how many times were we slow on our rotations? Good lord.
So many open jumpers.
I gotta pin this one on the players again. Roy does not look to hit anyone on the pick and roll. The perimeter guys were slow to cover outside shooters— honestly, who leaves James Jones open?!?
Nate played the right guys, didn’t do the 2 foul rule, etc. The defense, in particular help defense and rotations, where once again whiggety whack. Our offense wasn’t good but it wasn’t bad.
Blurg.
Muerteimer
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate cost the team approximately 6 points by going with Dante/Juwon at the end of Q2, when Oden had just 2 fouls.
This is largely on Roy. Another lousy effort from him, masked somewhat by 8 garbage time points.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't that at the end of a long run for Oden?
I might be wrong. I’d like to see that managed better as well, to finish the quarters strong.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, he had been replaced by Joel at the 6 minute mark of q2 and rested about 3 minutes
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well poop on a stick then.
2 fouls is not foul trouble, Nate…
Once again that is a self fulfilling prophecy, like Norsk says.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greg had 2 fouls straight until the end of the 4th
Then he picked up 3 more in the last 2 minutes to stop the clock
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahem...
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't there! :-) smile
Norsk said it like 5 years ago, anyways.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What the Blazers Need
Is some sort of “Sharing Session”
Nicolas can share how to play defense on 2’s and 3’s.
Dante can share how to play with Passion: Greg can be the T.A.
Andre can share how to look for the big man.
Rudy can share how to move around the court, tiring your defender and trying to get open.
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Greg can share how to make the most of limited minutes
Jerryd can share desire and fearlessness.
"The best team in the county right now wears green and goes quack, quack." -Chris Dufresne, LA Times
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Juwan can teach Roy and LMA how to relax after getting a big contract and let your game “come to you”…
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Blake can show karate...
Or whatever martial art he does.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
by jebuz on Dec 1, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oden goes out, heat make their run. hmm
oh, and the 4 guard crunch time lineup cant defend.
LaMarcus was really missed tonight
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blake was the only one hitting shots
I don’t get why Miller was in the game so long. Miller was left wide open for 3, for pretty much the entire second half.
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 9:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I know.
Nate says that when they leave you open “you gotta take that shot”.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its just the wrong system for him
We need to trade him.. I love him but its either him or nate and I still think Nate is more valuable
by fajunga on Dec 1, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we have athletes....
we should change the system… jump shooting teams will get bounced out in the first round
by Escrote on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Our athletes
are the ones with the jump shooting mentality. They are the ones who wont drive
by fajunga on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nates not valuable
he benches oden, doesn’t teach the team anything new, and his plays he calls from the sideline don’t do diddly. plus he always wants to run, but the team can’t do it for beans.
oh yeah, am i the first one to notice this? the blazers don’t seem to know how to defend a pick and roll!
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden's been good defending the pick and roll
He didn’t bench him tonight, though Joel sorta forced his hand with 5 silly fouls.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
30 minutes felt right for Oden
I’d love to see more, but it didn’t seem like he was out more than he’d need.
Of course each run occurs when Oden is out.
Silver lining: Oden is awesome. That matters more than beating the Heat.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy has to change his mindset to help the big fella out
by fajunga on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He just doesn't seem to see the inside
He needs to learn to run a pick and hard roll with Oden, it’ll be such easy money.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Oden is invisible to Roy. Did you see that pass attempt that hit Greg square in the back? I swear Roy didn't even know he was there.
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he does learn
We’ll be in every game no matter what the score
by fajunga on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one night
isn’t enough, and yeah, the only reason he played as much is because nate despises having guys foul out. and oden being the ONLY one who can defend the pick and roll is not comforting
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Him being the one who can defend the pick and roll is VERY comforting
He’ll be dealing with that his whole career.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's NOT Miller. Miller scored 18 pts. He got to the line 6 times.
It’s Nate. The team isn’t listening to him bc they KNOW Miller should start. It’s almost as if Blake is playing particulartly badly to give Miller a shot. So Blake makes 3, 3s at the end of the game. Put him in to shoot the 3s when the game is well in hand, not in the beginning of the game when we nicely give the OTHER team a lead.
by Natsthecat on Dec 1, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe...
it was because he scored 18 pts on 12 trips to the line when hardly anyone else could get anything
by thegreatwhitehope on Dec 1, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+15 on the boards...
… and we still lose. This pathetic “D” is inexcusable.
"I think twittering and all that facebook crap just makes you a loser." ~ Charles Barkley
by postup on Dec 1, 2009 9:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Start Miller, Roy, Rudy, LMA (when healthy), and Greg
also tell Roy to play some defense. No reason Q-Rich should be absolutely torching Brandon
by Escrote on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Blazers need a new coach
They need to learn defense, pick and roll, fast break, rotations, screens, moving without the ball…what else am i missing?
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Which stage are you at right this moment?
Shock stage: ________ Initial paralysis at hearing the bad news.
Denial stage: ________Trying to avoid the inevitable.
Anger stage: ________ Frustrated outpouring of bottled-up emotion.
Bargaining stage: ____ Seeking in vain for a way out.
Depression stage: ____Final realization of the inevitable.
Testing stage: _______ Seeking realistic solutions.
Acceptance stage: ____Finally finding the way forward.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 9:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Anger
Tired and angry of poor effort.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On offense it was
Our man to man defense was fine, when on the perimeter it often isn’t, but the rotations and help were so slow and weak.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And that's the lack of effort I mean.
Anytime a team gets that many open jumpers, effort is lacking.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
same thing in Utah
how many times were the PTB going to give Boozer his favorite spot uncontested before they realized the law of averages wasn’t going to work. Same thing tonight. The lack of effort is bothering me Mortimer, I mean really bothering me.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cannot agree
a total lack of effort is allowing teams to do whatever they want at both ends of the court. Teams are getting easy shots time and time again
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hawk just made all their shots
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Its easy to make those shots
when no defensive energy is applied
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good defense is proactive
good defense takes them out of their game before they get into it.
by davebball on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Acceptance
except i don’t wanna have to wait until saturday!
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depression
Anger and Bargaining were my weekend activity.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
testing, I’ve moved past being disappointed or depressed by tonight.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Testing
I’m sure there’s ways to fix this, I just have my doubts if they can. Playing Oden and going to him more is realistic, but I don’t know about Roy returning to last year’s form.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Denial
Juwan Howard is our third best scorer??? Is it 2001 again? Or at least 2006, the last time he went for 30?
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
depression
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bargaining
"The best team in the county right now wears green and goes quack, quack." -Chris Dufresne, LA Times
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Denial
No one looks angry…they all just look like, “Oh, we lost again.”
by prezofdeath on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
somewhere between testing and acceptance
of course the older I get the easier it is to emotionally distance myself from the ups and downs of the team, and therefore the grieving period is shorter as well.
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Visionary stage...
Seeing the improvement in Oden as confidence in the future…
by Visionary2 on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm at acceptance, but that's just me.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 1, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bargaining
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Dec 2, 2009 3:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i would like to know why rudy fernandez wasn't taking any 3 pointers?
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 9:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I told you already
He sucked tonight, and his dashing good looks didn’t make up for it! Next game, revenge will be the Rudy’s!!!!!!
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it better be or you’ll need to up the power of your Sig
by The Arkitect on Dec 1, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know this is a bit premature, but what the heck.
This is now officially oden’s team.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He's the only one who has brought it almost every game.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes and whenever he goes out we are appreciably worse.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is brandon roy
the next steven jackson?
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And uses screens
for purposes other than drawing the double team, and then proceeding to dribble smack into the middle of.
Passing out of a double team is not “sacrificing”.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great comment
Too true.
Brandon was bad on D last year and, to my eyes, he’s been even worse this year. He may be one of the worst wing defenders in the league. His D on decent to good players (alla Joe Johnson) has often been comical.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 1, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like he's flailing
Always playing catch up, not dictating what the enemy player can do but just flailing after the guy makes the move.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
unbelievable.
It’s like he’s constantly looking for moments when he doesn’t have to be tuned in and working hard. And why can’t he turn his back to his man and box the basket?
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he has seemed a lot worse this year
last year he coasted, but didn’t get killed, and then tightened up at crunch time. This year, he’s getting torched and isn’t trying.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul Allen should invite Elin Nordegren to the next Blazer practice and tell her to scare ...
Brandon Roy straight, for then he might start giving a damn and put out the necessary effort on defense.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 1, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm down with that
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
blake had a surprisingly good 4th quarter
but yeah, a 4 guard lineup down the stretch does not work
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Dec 1, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I figure he did it to have quicker guys to cover the perimeter shooters better
Didn’t work.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
longer is better than quicker
when a team has already gotten a rhythm going.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a reward
for playing so well in Utah
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah.early christmas present.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless should have seen minutes tonight
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless should get minutes every night
And know they’re coming, and not reliant on perfect play/ whims of Nate.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%
He played very well against Utah, and tonight in a brief stint hit a long J and played decent D. He has earned some run, but I doubt he gets it until one of the 3 PG defenders on this team is traded
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding
Hard to fathom what Nate may have been thinking. Oh, that’s right, Blake was playing so well.
Rudy was pretty invisible. With Lamarcus out, Travis out, and Rudy doing nothing, this is just not a very good team.
Either way, though, this game exposes KP’s increasingly awful looking summer. You can’t rely on a small forward, a rookie, and a guy who should be doing a halftime show as yoru back up power forward. Lamarcus goes out, Juwon has to play, Blazers lose. Simple as that.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 1, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If decisions were made with sentimentality in mind and not what gives us the best team
Then I’d hope KP is learning a lesson.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wohoo, gotta take back that home court advantage!!!
MB is a real prophet. Future host of Good Morning Oregon, book it!
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 9:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't he automatically
become the best host of Good Morning Oregon since….ever?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know exactly what the deal is,
But basically none of this season/preseason has felt good or like things were working well.
by collectiveshane on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i actually blame this on the refs
for real
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Heat murdured Oden under the basket,and refs swallowed it all the way.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the refs had nothing to do with it
it was a piss poor effort by Portland. Another uninspired effort. Something is wrong.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
a couple bad calls don’t make you shoot 35 percent or whatever we shot
by prezofdeath on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oneal ended up with more fouls than Oden.
You could more easily blame it on Nate’s substitutions, and I think Przy is playing a little slower
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pryz is playing DUMB
I still say he is physically capable of defending as well as last year, but this year his fouls have been so dumb.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he seems a little ticked off, maybe playing childish?
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish he was ticked off
Ticked off Joel is better, he’s playing sloppy and silly.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i can say this with a straight face
just about every game the blazers lose, you can place the blame on the refs.
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the 2nd foul on Oden was bad, and he was being held under the hoop all game, but Roy's gotta be better and so does our D.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
JohnCanzanoBFT – Greg Oden’s 11 offensive rebounds bs miami are tied for most ever by a Trail Blazer.
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Noice.
Love me some Oden.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I thought he didn't like basketball.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just think of how good a dentist he'd be
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he could pull out so many teeths
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His patients couldn't possibly open wide enough with those huge fingers of his!
Can you picture him trying to floss a ten year old’s teeth?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hygenists do that, not dentists
i hate dental hygensists, they are the spawn of satan
14736251
by appel82 on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my mom used to be a dental hygienest
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey what about our big contract PF tonight?!
didn’t even see the guy out there I’d be surprised if he grabbed 1 rebound!
by collectiveshane on Dec 1, 2009 9:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah i got that
This is just the one time people can’t rip on LMA for being “soft”
by collectiveshane on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His reputation makes some of us suspicious.
Too injured to play effectively or not enough of a gamer to get up for a game after two of the worst losses since he entered the NBA?
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HowmanyofQ-Rich's 3's were right in Brandon's eye?
by Escrote on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
somewhat bummed Oden didn't bring his finishing touch tonight
woulda had 20/20 and we might have won. Probably not with the way Roy played, but maybe.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
He missed some chippies. Looked mad about it too.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he was the only one who looked mad, unfortunately
well besides bayless, but that’s a given
by prezofdeath on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ehhh...
if some of those buckets had been converted, he wouldn’t have as many o-boards.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it would be nice to see someone else crash the boards, and go for a tip in
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a bit of reality...
we went 10-10 last December and only went 6-4 over that stretch at home….just some perspective.
by j dubya on Dec 1, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
That backs me up a step from edge of the TALL bridge I’m perched on.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bazer's Ledge!
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 1, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I regret not going to this game,cuz I would get free chalupas.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The crowd cheering for that really bugs me
Please get rid of the chalupa thang, whoever is in charge of that.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope those Taco Bell employees spit in every free chalupa
Any PTB fan with the nerve to cash in that coupon deserves it
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The hosts on NBA TV eating the tacos from Taco Bell,for L@kers.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure spit
is an obligatory ingredient in every Taco Bell item
by GMan83201 on Dec 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
chalupas should never be given out for losing games
that way fans can guilt the team into winning again
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we got free buffets at spirit mountain instead
if you go on seafood night it ends up being a savings of 25 bucks or so.
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
Greg Postertag is probably wielding a jack hammer of a Wenis - AK1984
by Philthyanimal on Dec 1, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we win 48 games but the games are all like this
I’ll remember the 41 win season more fondly
by collectiveshane on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I will repeat
We will need a new coach and the return of Roy ‘08-’09 to ever have any hope of championship contention.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
even Roy of 08-09 could not do it by himself in the play-offs.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
with the addition of this vastly improved Greg Oden, last year's team would have been fringe title contenders.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
More hope for the future
Long season, we can figure it out, BUT SO FRUSTRATING TO WATCH A GOOD TEAM NOT DO BASIC STUFF CORRECTLY.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy 08-09 + Aldridge 08-09 + Oden 09-10 = good team
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah.
Roy 08-09 and LAM 08-09 are still figuring out how to play with Oden 09-10. Roy had a telling comment on a recent interview. He said that if Oden had played this way in 07-08, then Roy would not have progressed so fast, and would not have made the AllStar.
I think that its a really big adjustment that Brandon is going through. He has played successful (both personally and for the team) basketball at the NBA level for two years, and has to now relearn how to be successful. In some ways its like going back to 07-08 and starting over, only this time its harder because there are 3 stars. So instead of having R&L as the single combo, you now have R&L, R&O, L&O, R&L&O; thats 4 combos where there was only one. Lot more complicated. Without even factoring the role players.
Also its harder to unlearn and relearn, rather than learn. Brandon and Oden are just trying to wrk it out, they are good guys. Its not like Kobe and Shaq, who couldn’t get along even though they had won championships together. While tehy were winning it was hunky-dory. But as soon as they started losing, then it was squabbles on not getting enough touches in the post, etc etc.
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy had a telling comment on a recent interview. He said that if Oden had played this way in 07-08, then Roy would not have progressed so fast, and would not have made the AllStar.
Roy really said that? That really makes it sound like he might resent Oden’s emergence then if he thinks Oden emerging earlier would have hurt his game.
Couldn’t be more wrong…
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was video taped
No resentment at all. My interpretation was that he felt — he himself would not have attracted so much attention if Oden was also part of the team.
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean it more as a subconscious thing
I do not think Roy is outwardly like that, but if he considers Oden (even if only a little) as someone who could have stood in the way of his emergence as a great player last year… I just don’t think that is healthy.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not in a standing in the way kind of manner, more in a “if we three had grown up together, it would be much better” than now trying to figure out. it almost felt that he is questioning himself, and that the all star stuff happened too soon for himself.
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh, interesting.
Sorry to play armchair psychiatrist for a quote I didn’t even hear.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
quite alright.
was very interesting taped interview though. one of the recent ones over at the oregonian. take a look see would be worth getting other peoples opinions. [The sporty equivalent to my wife’s book reviews…]
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
who cares, Brandon?
How you got to this point? The question to be asking is how to go from here. He seems so soft!
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he does seem lost and soft this year
doesnt have that fire — i’ve got to carry this team on my back and nobody is going to stop me attitude that he used to have. Seems like he is working through some mental stuff, about involving the rest of the team; figuring out how to play 5 person basketball, instead of 1+4 basketball.
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
even mentioned that they are learning to play together and would work itself out. sounded pretty positive
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope that during his learning he picks up the Pick and Roll
He’s been playing so much Pick and Pop. It would be killer, if he learnt how to feed Oden on the roll, because it seems like hes too conncerned with potential for turnover by lobbing it up.
by FromAfar on Dec 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probalbly true
Roy should one day return to being Roy of 08-09, if he has any shred of pride or responsibility. Nobody will ever convince me that the reason for Roy’s regression is anything other than his summer “hardly touching” a basketball. I don’t care what NBA players mean when they say that, IT’S A TERRIBLE IDEA. And borderline irresponsible.
If Roy ups his game a little bit and becomes a low 20s PER guy (rather than 24+ lilke last year), Oden plays more minutes and keeps improving on offense, Lamarcus improves, Nic comes back and becomes a stud, and Jerryd steps up, this team could still compete for a championship without 08-09 Roy.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your early call on Roy's summer is looking fantastic right now.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On the last part.
Will Jerryd ever get a chance to step up on this team. How does Cunninham get more minutes then Jerryd… This past game even? Neither Dre or Blake are so dang good that Bayless cant even see the court. I just dont get it. I feel we will probably trade Bayless without even giving the guy a chance. Develop Bayless, please, how can he make us any worse?
by lethaldose on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand the offense
I’m no Nate McMillan, but when a guard (usually Roy) has the ball and a big comes out to set a screen it seems like these things always happen:
Option 1: The guard moves the wrong direction from the pick, leaving the big out of position and gaining absolutely no space for himself.
Option 2: The screen is set and the guard keeps his eyes straight ahead, never even thinking about passing to the big. Even if there is a switch the guard waits for the defense to reset before making a move to take advantage of it.
Tonight I saw a beautiful screen by Oden and he rolled straight toward the basket, wide open lane with everyone out of position, and the guard didn’t even look his way. Why even bother setting screens or running the pick and roll if you’re not going to use it?
On a positive note, I loved to see Greg fighting tonight. He looks more enthusiastic than anyone else, right now he’s playing like it’s HIS team, not Brandon Roy’s.
by JonathanPDX on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
You forgot the most common occurrence
Defender of the picker stays on the guard, double-teaming him. Guard dribbles into a corner and gets trapped.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed this also
Roy in particular never seems to look at the roller on a pick and roll.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
by jebuz on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I was at the game and thought Oden was the outstanding Blazer—alert on the defensive end, determined, moving well, the most spirited starter, making good passes out of double-teams, getting too few touches in the fourth. Roy looked slow on defense, forced on offense. Yes, at the rate things are going, it’s evolving into Gregg’s team, too. Rightly so.
by Trutherlizer on Dec 1, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On October 26th, we would never have thought that Greg would be the only bright spot.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 9:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm just chuckling to myself about the possibility that Bill Simmons was right.
41-41 here we come! We’re the 2005 bulls!
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
simmons isn't right
he didn’t know we’d lose Batum, Outlaw and Roy would regress to his high school days.
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
*middle school days
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy looks like even a cave man cant do it.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you made a funny
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He might as well grow out the hair and look like twin brother. Maybe he can make his money woth there.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
twin bother of that cave man
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
stop while your ahead
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant I have to do the pecking order the cave man cant do it even.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ha ha ha. am i tripping over my self?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this rate he's going to have to be treated for diaper rash by Jay Jensen on Saturday.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
actually that was sort of his point
that one team that shouldn’t take a step back does and he picked portland.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right about paid players tuning out coach and his limitations.
Wrong about Oden.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The big fella can't do it all...
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
CP3 to Portland
I’ve seen enough … figure out how to get CP3 to Portland immediately.
by blazr on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it would literally have to be Roy+Oden to get NO to consider it.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
dont think they’d just take that chump Roy off our hands?
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
an mvp superstar
for just an all star?
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
Greg Postertag is probably wielding a jack hammer of a Wenis - AK1984
by Philthyanimal on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think all the expiring players + Bayless + 1st round pick and they'd listen.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They have serious, serious financial problems.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They'd fold first
Paul is a once in a generation type talent. Best 6’ish PG since Isaiah. He’s a hall of famer, you can’t part with him for less than a superstar and another All star or two
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest thing with Chris Paul isn't even his on-court value, but rather his enormous ...
marketability level. From an ownership standpoint, players like Paul push merchandise and sell tickets. Profitability, more than anything, is of the utmost importance to the guys who run the show — except for the rare few like Mark Cuban — and that’s just how it is in the world of professional sports.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I forgot to mention that would net Devin Harris, not Chris Paul.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha - I still don't see it, not with the Russian billionaire and the LeBron derby
in play, but that would at least get a call back
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Dec 1, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think it would be a conversation.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing is with the Miller-Roy issues (in terms of on-court chemistry)
Harris needs the ball as well. He’s an absolute stud, but still, the same problems would remain
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True, but I think that needs to be addressed regardless of any trades.
Being so inflexible that you can’t add an above average veteran of a different skillset to replace a below average one isn’t an issue that can be dodged easily.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He played off the ball well in Dallas
His defense has slipped as he became The Man in New Jersey, but he has experience getting the ball to Dirk, Terry, and back then Stackhouse.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
devin harris is insanely over-rated
particularly be people on this site.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is he overrated?
He’s a decent passer, can make the 3, insanely quick, was a great defender in Dallas, long, athletic, young, smart, a one man fastbreak and able to operate in the halfcourt…
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has a bad assist to turnover ratio, but still I would really like him next to a strong guard like Roy. Problem would still be that both need the ball to be fully effective.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't make the teams he plays on appreciably better
he puts up a lot of empty stats and his team is awful. it’s funny everyone on this site will murder kevin durant for putting up great stats on a bad team and saying he kills his team. meanwhile, box score hero devin harris fits this exact profile but he’s the answer to all blazer problems.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He;s been hurt most of the season
So, a super fast great defending PG who can hit a shot is a bad fit?
No one says he is Chris Paul.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You argued with Lenwen on ESPN a lot, right?
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
He’s a top ten PG in the league, easy. If that’s overrating him then I’m guilty.
by Nick Van Excellent on Dec 2, 2009 12:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If George Shinn wants to sell the New Orleans Hornets for profit, then he WON'T trade Chris Paul.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 1, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we've been trying that for a while
it would take a lot
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy and LMA
would get you Paul and West. Maybe throw in Joel and Outlaw and get Okefor as well. Are you ready to throw in the towel that badly?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no it would not. not even close.
Roy and LMA would not even fetch Paul.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have agreed
But Paul is not going to stay when his contract is up, and West is starting to fade. I think they’d consider it.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They will never ever trade Paul unless Paul says he will never suit up for a game again
And even then it’s not guaranteed.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
New Orleans management
is bat-**** crazy. Nothing would surprise me any more, and Roy/ LMA for Paul/ West would hardly be indefensible.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is NOLA crazy?
They made some signings that are haunting them, but I haven’t seen them make any crazy deals… ever.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They trumpeted the signing of Ike
as a big deal, they traded their center for a glorified PF, they didn’t even notify Paul before they announced the firing of Scott, they gave big money to some poor choices. They made many questionable decisions in the last few years.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't buy that bs line
cp3 got scott fired. he’s the reason he was fired. paul completely quit on his coach last year, ignored him during timeouts, and has wanted him gone for awhile.
he was just toeing the line with the line about how “i’m not sure coach was the problem”, please.
cp3 is a pouty little diva.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They made questionable decisions, sure
But not CRAZY and outright dumb, like McHale or Wallace.
It is a bad idea to upset Paul and not go to him, but not a big deal in the long run.
Okafor is quite a bit better than Chandler, and Chandler hasn’t done much in Charlotte. Okafor’s effort has been criticized this year, but I haven’t seen enough to say one way or another. In previous years, he was better than Chandler. I like that trade.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
But I’m going to insist they’re crazy until they ship us Paul for Outlaw.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya gotta put it out in the universe so it comes true!
NOLA is the dumbest management in the NBA and extremely broke, they are dying to trade Paul to Portland and Paul himself is quoted thinking that Portland is the only team he wants to play for.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're cookin' with Gas!!
And the pilot’s not lit, and you’re sniffing the raw fumes. And you’re drunk.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh no you put that out in the universe!
I drank my lighter fluid :-(
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like it's time to light up a cigarette
Just to show you’re not scared.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
George Shinn isn't a mentally challenged dunce, okay.
Again, Chris Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brandon Roy from not only an on-court perspective, but more importantly an off-court marketability perspective. Regarding the high-stakes, big-money world of professional sports, it’s about money first and foremost. Paul, unlike Roy, is a cash cow.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
throw in the towel?
lol Paul >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy
by pdxlifer on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Throw in the towel on the season
It would be tough to be up and running with that big of a change. You’d have to wait til next year.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Paul is injured.
Being a Blazer fan is not exactly healthy.
by dpnim on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll get better
And there’s no provision for not trading injured players any more.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Howard gave us just as much tonight as LMA would have.
and we still lost, convincingly, at home, rested, to a decent but struggling team, despite a monster rebounding/4 block game from Oden.
wow.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No
LMA would’ve played Beasely better
And probably got 18
by collectiveshane on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely
Aldridge usually destroys Beasley.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...Beasely wouldn't come close to his numbers tonight with LMA guarding him.
LMA actually plays very well against PFs like Beasely.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Beasley didn't even pause
He just fired his jumper like he was alone on the floor. Guaranteed an LMA hand in his face makes him think about it a little more.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Opposing teams put the ball thingie in that round hoop quite often against this Blazers team for some reason.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it wrong that I've been chuckling at the "See, now we know that Greg Oden is invisible to Brandon Roy!" jokes?
by Timmay! on Dec 1, 2009 9:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Its not wrong and not funny but its right. Sounds like a country song.
by Holybackboards on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Roy shot Charles Barkley McLovin
THEN it’d be a country song
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excited About Oden.
I’ve been cautiously optimistic about Oden this season. Seems like he really is going to make a huge impact on this team. Individually, Oden and Roy are going to be very good. The Blazers just haven’t figured out how to make the parts greater than the sum of it or even equal to it.
Roy is going to be fine. Oden is going to be fine. I think Batum is going to be fine. LMA should be fine (hopefully). Just need a PG for the future. Better schematic coaching that demands execution and defensive pride. Whether that’s Nate, we’ll find out very soon.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 9:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried about Roy.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not. He’s off mentally, he’ll grow up.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Roy is obsessed with doing what he THINKS is what superstars do, rather than doing what comes naturally. This is the first time Roy has been the undisputed leader of a team, which is what separates him to similar guys like Wade, who have been THE MAN since they laced up their first bootie in pre-school league.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be worried.
Roy hasn’t forgotten completely how to play basketball. Just a little amnesia.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's my take
I’ve used the word a million times lately, but I think Roy is going through a little phase.
I think missing/not passing to Oden repeatedly is part of it.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phase is exactly right
He’s never had that dominant big, in colleges or the pros. He’ll adjust.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think he is struggling with how to share the ball, and get himself in a rhythm at the same time.
He really hasn’t had to do that. Last year they would always try to get Lma started early in the game, if he didn’t look good, roy would basically run the offense for the rest of the game. Anyone else making a play was usually a result of Roy being disrupted, or throwing a last second pass to a jump shooter out on the wing. Now Greg is showing that he can be a consistent offensive force, and Miller is not out on the court ONLY looking for Roy. I just think it’s the first time in awhile that Roy feels threatened by the skills of his own teammates, and he hasn’t learned how to be good by doing completely different things than he has been allowed to do his whole career.
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was blinded to that by sick alley-oops and facials
not to mention Greg crotchifyin’ suckas
by Tyler Durrden on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if we'll see Roy '08-'09 this year
I think we will next year, or at least something close.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy 08-09 was the 3rd best SG in the NBA behind guys like Kobe and Wade.
That’s a really impressive group. 3rd team All-NBA, fully deserved. Roy is going through some growing pains. The biggest issue is whether Roy can evolve his game to fit Oden and a different offensive philosophy.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
great take. fully agreed.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And, I agree
I do not worry about Roy or the team in the long term, but the short term and the now has been very annoying.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Everything you said. Yes.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 1, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden has definitely joined our version of the "Big Three"
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately we have a semi-big two.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we have a badly struggling 2 time allstar (who is not playing like anything close to an allstar)
and a C who would be an allstar candidate if not for foul trouble.
we also have a decent 3rd piece who cannot defend or rebound.
We do not have a big 3, at all.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A big 1,
but at least that one is absolutely humongous.
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And he means everything.
I honestly take much solace in the fact that it seems like Oden will be an extremely good center once he gets his fouls under control regularly.
It is so important, and was sooooo up in the air before the season started. The horrible play (for us) has masked it too much, because it makes it hard to enjoy the silver lining that is Oden’s play.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm shocked that it's happened so quickly
but even knowing that this is a temporary blip for Roy, I think Oden has moved ahead of him as the most untradeable Blazer. Watching Bynum suddenly transform from the guy that Kobe demanded to get traded to “key piece” (and back to some weird limbo now), it’s scary to think how quickly Oden’s doing what it took Bynum almost 3 full years to do.
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I know some think this is some silly "excuse"
But realistically Oden is still returning from micro, and his body will respond better with another year of lower body training and staying in shape… and healing.
He will be very, very, very good.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't any "Big Three" here, for LaMarcus Aldridge never was and never will be a big-time player.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
should we fear the upcoming game against the rockets?
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
every game is very losable right now
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets have up to date scouting
And will likely try to run the Blazers out of their own house.
by Timmay! on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets consistently make the best of what they have via coaching, regardless of a lack of a well constructed roster.
Kinda the opposite of the Blazers right now. Yikes.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm cautiously optimistic...
But then again, I’m always cautiously optimistic.
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
by jebuz on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is a mess right now.
It’s a mess on offense. It’s a mess on defense.
A few select players have posted good nights but the team as a whole just don’t look like they care enough to win. We had some hustle here and there tonight. But good God, why are we leaving shooters totally open from range? How many games do we need to play before guys start closing out on their shooters? Way too many open looks for our opponents over the last three games.
Also, I know a lot of people will try and partially blame Brandon for not putting the team on his back, but come on. Look at the box score guys before you do that. Roy had his 25 points, albeit on 36% shooting. But look at everyone else. Martell was streaky as ever shooting 28% from two point range at 4-14. We really had no offensive firepower on the floor at all apart from Brandon taking 25 shots to post a respectable game.
Honestly? These last three games haven’t been the Portland Trail Blazers team I remember from last year. I know we’re dealing with injuries but WOW. I just can’t believe we’re playing this poorly for a team so well coached and with great young talent.
"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons
by halo_on on Dec 1, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
no one has truly had a set role
our bench looks different in offensive philosophy from one game to the next. there hasn’t been that consistency that we have had over the years.
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
Greg Postertag is probably wielding a jack hammer of a Wenis - AK1984
by Philthyanimal on Dec 1, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This loss is in KP
DeJuan Blair would have came in handy today.
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or Jefferson. Or Carter. Or any number of guys
KP could have traded for if he didn’t overvalue his young players.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's not forget Devin Harris
KP could have had him for Taurean Green and RLEC.
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even think we had to use RLEC.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
$%$%$^ KP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why am I just reading this rumor NOW? The Blazers management needs to pull their collective heads out of their butts and make a trade NOW! They are on the downward spiral.
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They've lost it
We need Mark Warkentien!!!1
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We could have gotten carter or jefferson.
i know you are poking fun at those who think we could get cp3 for a protected 2nd round pick, but i really do think we could have gotten carter or jefferson. thats pretty realistic.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you realize how much Carter and Jefferson make? You’d have to trade half your team to get one of them.
The Spurs - now playing defense again!
by Tim C. on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still wouldn't help with the D
At all. It’s not like the Spurs are all smiles about Jefferson right now, and Orlando isn’t retiring Vince’s jersey at this point.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, RJ’s a work in progress. I’d kill to have Oden on the Spurs though. ;-)
The Spurs - now playing defense again!
by Tim C. on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With all due respect, Richard Jefferson wouldn't've helped us -- as he's lazy on defense -- ...
while Vince Carter and Brandon Roy would’ve clashed with one another over touches. The main problem right now regarding roster construction includes the lack of a banger 4/5 off the bench (e.g., Nick Collison), as well as a defensive stopper at the 1 who can play off the ball offensively (e.g., Kirk Hinrich).
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
Harris looked a lot like JBay would look with more minutes. That’s not something you throw RLEC at just for giggles.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh? Nah, Harris was great in Dallas.
What we dream Bayless could be, but in actuality.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't pass, he was all speed and no brains
And he put his head down and didn’t look to pass as he drove to the hoop.
Sound familiar?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that described him in Dallas at all.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong
but I didn’t see anything of Harris in Dallas that made me need him. For sure his outside shot was hurtful, and maybe offensive.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was leading a team full of vets to the finals, a la Rondo in Boston
Fans knew what they had in him. That’s why the Kidd trade made people so furious initially. Kidd has done well in Dallas, but the true impact of that trade will show once he retires.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way, at that time I would have sworn Marquis Daniels would develop into a borderline all-star. He was awesome during that year. Then fell off a cliff maybe due to off-court issues that didn’t get well covered.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels was good back then.
He’s still ah’ight.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Harris was in contention for the ASG wasnt he?
when was the last time we had a pg that sniffed the all star game?
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
Greg Postertag is probably wielding a jack hammer of a Wenis - AK1984
by Philthyanimal on Dec 1, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't he in ASG talks last year?
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good question?
Strickland 95-96 was pretty money.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't make the ASG, but still averaged 19-10 on the year
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, you are talking about Bayless
Mort was talking about Devin Harris….
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We basically ended up throwing RLEC at Andre Miller.
Which would you have preferred?
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So would Chris Paul
So I place the blame on previous management every time we lose.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that KP wanted Paul
But the GM wanted Martell instead, since we had Telfair and were therefore set at PG for the next 20 years.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But would we have gotten
Roy, Aldridge, or Oden? I doubt it. We are in better shape than new orleans anyways.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay okay
call off the dogs. It was a joke, not in depth time-travel analysis.
I apologize and retract my statement. With Paul we’d be doormats and may have triggered Armageddon.
I apologize.
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's the mystery
I agree that we wouldn’t have been bad enough with Paul to get Roy and LMA, and then we wouldn’t get Oden.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY— Nash and Patterson would still be in charge, because if they had drafted Paul, then that means they were smart enough to draft one of the best PGs ever and would not be fired.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hinrich stinks now...
please stop talking about him. go look up the astoundingly horrible season he is having. bulls fans would send us flowers if we traded for him.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here's one you might have missed
anybody catch that play late when the ball came out to Miller who was spotted up outside the arc? The Miami defender was caught off guard and made a move to get out on him, then you could see the lightbulb above his head get bright and he skidded to a stop about 8 feet from Miller just daring him to shoot. Miller hesitated before the predictable turnover.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blake would have made that shot.
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He at least would have had the guts to take it
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller takes shots
Sometimes he has to take the shot because Roy and others just stand and watch him. He’s not as bad a shooter as the rumors made me think. How can he pass to people that are just standing around. At the end of the 3rd? I think Rudy and Roy were standing in the corners watching.
by davebball on Dec 1, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can a guy be in the NBA for like a million years and not learn to hit an open 3 point shot?
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He gets sleepy when he practices jumpers
YAWN I get sleepy talking about it!
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good God
the blazers played a good team without 3 important players . W Quit expecting perfection from them every time
by BBG on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I am usually an extremely optimistic critiquer of the team
The reason we are annoyed with this loss was the continued lack of effort, particularly in help defense and rotations— two pretty simple concepts.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If it was Golden State, you'd be cool with it.
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
our defense is abysmal right now. 60 points in the first half.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe South Park will lessen my sorrows....
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Dec 1, 2009 10:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Poop Ball
Is what we played.
Scarce defense- seriously a wide open Dwayne line drive for the dunk when we needed a stop.
Martell just kept launching those threes like there was no tomorrow.
I did like that Mcmillan defended Odens foul with the BS call- literally. Sometimes I just think when the refs don’t know who to call it on, they point their fingers at Oden. It’s becoming a stale tradition.
Those four faces on Mount Rushmore are always there to remind us that yes, if you do enough good deeds, you will change into a mountain when you die.
by ODEN on a stick on Dec 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
where was Rudy? Where was Bayless?
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea- another questionably coached game.
Those four faces on Mount Rushmore are always there to remind us that yes, if you do enough good deeds, you will change into a mountain when you die.
by ODEN on a stick on Dec 1, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how people miss Batum whereas he played only around 15min/game
the facts dont support this view.
by biolb on Dec 1, 2009 10:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he would help.
He had a solid rookie season, and it was reasonable to expect improvement. With both he and Outlaw out (and LMA tonight), our “depth” is gone.
However, this is about Roy’s play more than anything.
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by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ever since the Outlaw injury
the team chemistry got flushed down the toilet. We really need Travis back.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh yes
and you know it too TWD. Travis was the harmony in the Blazer melody. Now these guys are just mashing their palms on the ivory. Don’t be afraid to admit Travis’ injury was a HUGE loss
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no no no no no
I can’t hear you! LALALALALALALALALALA!!!
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Nic wouldn't hurt
but it’s hard to imagine how much he would’ve helped tonight given that it was our team defense that was piss poor tonight.
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mhmm. Batum being in there doesn’t make Brandon rotate to the open man.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Batum was fairly solid defensively those 15 minutes.
The Blazers aren’t missing his offensive production.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blazer
fans you’re in for a long season if you get this riled up over a loss like this. LA was out, Batum is out, Outlaw is out. I mean what more do i have to say???
by BBG on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you forgot the part where
the guys looked horrible rotating on D after being a coached by a “defensive specialist” as well as the part where our guys can’t get themselves any fast break points or easy looks on offense. it’s all up-hill.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care though.
Oden looks dominant. That’s good enough for me this year.
Maybe you’re like “whatever, loser! we should be winning titles with Blake at PG and Martell at small guard—-errr——forward and Rudy kicking the ball of his foot every time leads his team on the break and Miller looking like he’s just happy he got payed one last time.”
But none of that bothers me. You know Roy is sweet. You know LMA has a silky game. But we didn’t know Oden was going to be a stud. We hoped. We didn’t know.
So it’s all good. I mean it.
Blake still stinks and Miller is still looking like an old man but…
It’s all good.
sips hefeweizen
ahhhhhhhh.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Lets talk Wade and Roy.
Both players had to deal with a dominant center entering their respective teams. Wade thrived and Roy is struggling. What can Roy learn from Wade? How did Wade change or adapt his game to Shaq? I think that’s an interesting conversation.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
great topic. I don't have much to say, other than that Shaq was limited in the playoffs during that title run.
Miami ran a ton of Wade isos. Also, Wade is a lot better than Roy at seeking and getting contact (and help from the refs).
I’d be very much interested in people’s thoughts.
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by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to remember that Heat team.
Wade did a lot of scoring off the pick and roll. Wade also didn’t score from the 3-point line, but he did score quite a bit in transition. I don’t recall Shaq ever being a problem for Wade clogging up the lane.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, my mind is calling up lots of images of Wade splitting the double on high pick and rolls
and finishing at the hoop, often in spectacular fashion. That’s not something Roy will ever be able to do on the same level.
Roy’s not nearly the transition player Wade is either.
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by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea...they are different players.
Since everyone seems to be putting all the burden on Roy, I’m wondering if Oden needs to be doing something on his end. Hmmm….just throwing out ideas.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
maybe he should physically pry the ball out of Brandon’s hands when he’s wide open under the rim
Sucking at darts is not a super power
by 1badbadger on Dec 1, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't buy that Oden being down low is the problem at all
People are thinking Joel, last year, was better for Roy’s drives? When his man didn’t even need to stay anywhere close to him?
Oden takes up space, but Roy can still drive if he wants to. His ballhandling has been much worse this year.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So do you think it's just Roy's issues?
Did Shaq do something that Oden isn’t doing? Aside from scoring from the post, both players seem to be drawing double teams regular. Oden is actually a better offensive rebounder and shot blocker this year.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I do believe it is Roy's issues mostly
Perhaps Oden doesn’t read when to get out of the way, but it isn’t his man suddenly stopping Roy. His man sticks to him.
Roy’s ballhandling is off, like the Mikes said we haven’t seen his amazing crossover from last season much at all, he hasn’t been as aggressive or as likely to drive this year… can’t say why.
I think it is some sort of mental blockage with Roy right now, and could be also his summer off… at least as far as his ballhandling is concerned.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy needs to make a better effort at
getting the ball to Greg. he also needs to realize he doesnt have to do it all
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wade can out-athletic his opponent though.
Roy’s game is more methodical and team oriented.
Wade also thrived in a weak East that year and beat the Mavs. ahem.
Wade is sweet though but that Heat team was a weak title winner.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is more team-oriented?
One game does not settle the question, but please compare how many shots Roy and Wade took tonight and how many assists each had.
by Trutherlizer on Dec 2, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
heat commentators spoke of this
and lauded SVG for his work.
by CleBlazer on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else want to admit that
Roy has a big ego? he is really have a tough time not being “mr. everything”.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he wants to win
and as the leader of the team he may put too much of the load on his shoulders. That doesn’t mean he has a big ego. Far from it.
Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.
by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When Roy scores 25 or more: 1-4
When Greg scores 14 or more: 6-1
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about how much coaching plays a role here.
Roy seems to be directionless about how to integrate with Oden. SVG does have an excellent track record working with centers.
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by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's because he can't...
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by LaMarvelous on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shaq was a much more dominant player in that phase of his career than he is now or Oden is yet. They didn’t have to feed him the ball, he got out and took it. Wade shot much less threes than he does now. That title-winning team also had Jason Williams at the hight of his game, and Gary Payton. Plus Alonzo backing up Shaq if he should ever get into foul trouble.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking more of 2005
when Shaq was a legit MVP contender and Miami’s playoff run was only derailed by a Wade injury, but it seems a key is that everyone else on that team was clearly a role player. Eddie and Damon Jones and Udonis Haslem didn’t need or deserve any touches like a guy like LaMarcus does.
Obviously Oden now can’t hold a candle to Shaq then, but there was a whole lot less muddle on those Heat teams.
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were enough egos on that team looking for their own shots. Walker, Payton, Mourning, Posey, Anderson, …
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the following year
although I’d only really put ‘Toine and GP in the “ego” category, and GP was coming off a seriously humbling experience in LA. Posey was a nobody at that point and considered a great glue guy, unlike ever since he’s signed that contract in NO. Anderson played in 23 games all year, so stating he had any impact on that team overall is probably an overstatement.
Plus, this was post-kidney transplant Mourning, who came back happy to back up Shaq, not exactly a guy gunning for his own numbers.
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well to start...
ignoring greg oden everytime you drive to the hope and draw a double team is wasting a great scoring opportunity.
i lost count of how many times i saw this tonite.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
drive to the hope...
take to the hope…
embarrassing
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A big part is that Shaq was a legend at that point
A champion 3 times over.
It’s easier to make players involve and tailor their game with you when you’re that established. If Oden had gotten here first, it’d be different.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better perhaps to look at Shaq and Penny Hardaway?
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking for the early Shaq angle. Also I’m a little too disappointed in Roy to compare him to Kobe right now.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Dec 1, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy wanted pecking order?
You got it cave man. Respect the pecking order of better teams or they will blow you out.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 10:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
it's gotta be
1. Oden
2. Roy
3. Aldridge.
by CleBlazer on Dec 1, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with it being
Roy / Oden / Aldridge, but right now on offense, Oden isn’t close to the team’s second option.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd almost go
1. Oden
2. Roy
3. SF or PG to be named later
4. Aldridge
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont tell that to MB or wheels.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Dec 1, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
I think all three can get going at different times.
Oden is the only one of those three who can dominate at both ends though, so I guess I’d have to agree, although nothing is more valuable in the NBA than “star plays” in crunch time, snf Brandon has a knack for star plays.;)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
roy has what it takes to be a #1 player on a
contending team, but yea, I put oden there because of his ability to change the game on both ends of the floor.
by CleBlazer on Dec 1, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so true. I love Roy.
I don’t get what his deal is lately but figure he’ll snap out of it and be fine when it really counts.
(next year. hehe)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly
- Oden… Nice to be watching his coming out party..
- Brandon… He showed an ability to co-exist and complement tonight…
#3: Right now, I think it’s Rudy…. followed by Dre… then LMA… If LMA played tough, it’d be him…
by Visionary2 on Dec 1, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
douglast on Oden and Durant earlier this year:
The whole Oden/Durant thing will probably vary over time – like any opinion poll. It started heavily in favor of Oden on draft night 2007, shifted heavily in favor of Durant after Oden got Micrfracture, stayed there during all of last season, and is just now maybe starting to creep back a bit towards the center of the line. By the end of this season, I would expect it maybe to be a 50/50 equation.
10 years down the road, I’d put money on Oden being the popular choice again. Not to take anything away from Durant, who is a special talent. But 7 footers who can greatly impact a game on both ends of the floor are just too rare and valuable.
I’m starting to move toward his view. One of the best posts on the subject we’ve had on this site.
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by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I really like douglast. I was reading an old post yesterday and blzrfan and douglast both had really great, prophetic-like comments
by prezofdeath on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanna read.
Linky. Please.
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by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Historical perception, fairly or undairly
will be governed by whoever wins the most titles. It’s entirely possible that both guys come up short their entire careers to LeBron James/Brandon Jennings/John Wall/whoever and this won’t be such a huge debate because neither will end up being really seen as a truly transcendent player without winning a title or two.
I still think that this will end up as some variant of the Hakeem/Jordan dichotomy, where it’s more of a win-win and neither team gets killed for the pick rather than a boom/bust. The one exception would be if one guy just rattles off a Jordanesque streak and just puts himself in another league.
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
another great take.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think in the near future
And not just after their careers are over, Oden will be seen by almost everyone as the “correct” choice.
All he has to do is do better with fouls and maintain his current play… and I think he will still improve a lot from his current play, because he is raw and 21.
So, in the near future, he’ll be extremely good and people will pretend they liked him all along.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I always argue that the question
should be “Who is best for THE BLAZERS”, and Durant was not and is not the answer. We don’t have enough shots for the wings we have, and we have a serious need of interior defense. Which part of that screams KD to you?
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve always said that comparing 2 players just to determine who is a bust and who is a star is a dumb concept. Both can be good in their own right, and both bring out different aspects in their teams.
My main concern with Greg is that he gets his minutes, and more importantly how that happens. That it needs to happen is a no-brainer, or he’ll never be more valuable than a number of above-average young big men like Gasol and Noah and Bynum and Brooks who can actually stay on the court for 35 minutes regularly.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Douglast is right 100%
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wow guys, thanks for the kind words
i was at the game tonight. ill post my thoughts in the recap
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Dec 1, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the injuries
I’m not too concerned about this loss like the previous 2. However, givin how long both batum and outlaw will be gone, perhaps a minor trade should happen.
we all know KP is the king of minor midseason trades
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
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by thomasikehara on Dec 1, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you know...
I kinda feel like it’s time for this team to say “there’s always next year!” and start playing it’s stars and young players exclusively. who knows! maybe they’ll get a 6 seed and play spoiler.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What's up, peeps?
you guys and gals all good tonight?
Those of us who live in the fine city of roses were treated to a beautiful day today.
the rest of you guys were hopefully somewhere tropical;)
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
always.
no but i heard it was a beautiful day there.
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh good.
it was nice here. sunny and crisp. I think the seasons are MOST enjoyable right about now.
it’s march when I start to get ill of the rain but…
I’ve survived this long for a reason (flexes biceps)
glad you are well!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what i love n miss the most about the northwest is the cold crisp sunny days!
nothing better than that!
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't miss
voodoo donuts most?:0
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
naw.
but the last few times i’ve been up there i’ve gone there. but i miss julianos pizza most!!!!!!!!!!!!! yummmm!
by portlandgiirl91 on Dec 1, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is tough.
They went to Oden more tonight, which is what I’ve desperately wanted. They scored in the paint more. But the FG% was still horrible. Why so much standing around and high degree of difficulty shooting still?
Nate’s schemes don’t impress me at all, but I’m still seeing a lack of effort on both ends of the floor, defense especially. None of the guards have kept anyone in front of them for a long time.
Guys aren’t fighting through picks, rotating, or bringing helpside shot blocking.
I’m honestly at a loss. Does Nate need to go in order to bring a new philosophy, do they need to shake up the roster, or will this just magically work itself out?
Going back to an earlier post, I think I’m at “acceptance.” I’ve accepted that the current circumstances have produced a pretty bad team, and I don’t know what to do to fix it. Good thing I’m not the GM or the coach.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
two words:
NEXT YEAR!!!!:D
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No thanks.
Going with a “next year” plan is what got us here.
Some players improve, some regress. Some get injured.
Time doesn’t necessarily improve a young team.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we need a trade for a young PG.
also, we need Brandon and LMA to start balling with Oden.
But the PG situation is a big deal. you can’t hide the fact that the Blazers dribble around with little to no purpose over the course of half of their offensive sets. it’s a problem…
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if we go 5-10 this month to sit at 17-17 on new year's eve, does Nate coach the first game of January?
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on who KP and PA think is to blame
With Roy being so underwhelming, I just can’t lay it at Nate’s feet… he isn’t perfect, but Roy’s play matters more.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his handling of Oden's fouls is killing me
as is his Blake/Miller handling. Our defense continues to be mediocre under him.
You are right about Roy though. Its tough.
I think I will support his removal if a 5-10 month happens.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if we're gonna fire him
i hope we do it quick. no reason to let him keep on sinking for that long while killing the team’s spirits.
by CleBlazer on Dec 1, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that and...
i’d want a decent period of time for the new (interim?) coach to prepare and acclimate before the playoffs
by CleBlazer on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and I hope he does.
A coaching change mid-season would be the last thing I want. Blazers are missing players and I think a coaching change mid-season would be more harmful than a disappointing season. Who’s going to take over?
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Monty or Dean, most likely.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yuck
Count me out even if we go 0 and 14 then.
The answer isn’t a more inexperienced coach…
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Need someone savvy who knows has experience with both young players and vets, and is known as an Xs and Os guy. Not someone who’s only guy to learn from has been the guy you just canned.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's an interim thing.
KP might want an assistant coach who isn’t available until after the season, but don’t want to leave Nate in lame-duck state (or think his assistant would do better)
by Timmay! on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still
Even a bad month does not mean the season is over. Firing Nate without a better replacement is pointless.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Mort.
I rather have a Carlisle to Larry Brown situation. Not a let’s fire a coach and find a replacement at the end of the season.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, give it a good go this season. See what happens
If we keep doing poorly and don’t do well in the playoffs, THEN think about a firing.
Too many people are waaaaay too eager to fire Nate, as if that sort of thing helps. We need Roy back to something close to normal first, then we can see what our team is like.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
forget experience
Keith Smart is doing a great job for the Warriors. Much better than Nellie.
If Monty/Dean would let Oden play with 2 fouls in the first half, and start Miller, I’d take them over Nate in a heartbeat. Long term, more than anything, I just want someone who can get Roy and LMA to play defense.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's such a small part of coaching
So much is what we can’t see, and in the past Nate has had much respect and admiration from his players and peers.
Again, nothing that the Warriors do counts. They are weird. And, it’s been a few games.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy and LMA have to grow up, is the problem
Grow up and play defense.
I agree with those who say doing Team USA stuff will help Roy.
Nate can’t bench ’em, they need to just… do better.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it's basically a
superstar basketball camp
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's like the allstar game
But everyone playing seriously and for real.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't imagine Nate keeping the same routine all season.
The players share the blame as well.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Monty or Dean drastically change schematics, I don't think it'll matter.
I don’t want an interim coach.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know it's anecdotal
But that’s what everyone said about Rick Adelman.
by Timmay! on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tom thibodeau maybe?
or jeff van gundy. they could also go the monty williams interim coach route.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They would definitely promote a Dean or Monty
for the rest of the year, but Thibs would be a definite possibility starting the next year. No way he leaves the Celtics midseason. I remember Bucher or Stein saying something once about him waiting for the right opening to come up, and I can’t imagine a better one than ours.
by Royster on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
monster center to anchor his defense. nice situation.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd bank on Monty Williams as the interim head coach, with Mike Budenholzer hired during ...
the off-season as KP’s guy. From my viewpoint, KP will want to make his stamp on the coaching staff by hiring a fellow Gregg Popovich disciple who’s got no NBA head coaching experience like Budenholzer.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Dec 2, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
awesome question!
I don’t see why not.
the injuries should give him a little wiggle room. I mean, don’t teams generally struggle a bit when they lose a couple key guys?
given what we saw last year at the trade deadline (zzzzzzzzzzzzzz), I would expect KP to continue with that and—-wait——ok—-NO——I expect KP to look for a PG. honestly. I really think that’s his goal—-to land a young skilled PG.
but who knows…maybe we’ll just resign Travis and be back for a better version of this same team next year?
hmmm. what do you think?
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they didn't really go to oden much at all
his offense came from offensive rebounds and put backs. roy more or less ignored oden the whole night. miller ran a nice give and go with him once and blake gave him a few entry passes.
that’s it. oden pretty much created everything else himself.
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate's offense is boring and ineffective
You can see them trying to get into sets, but the sets are just plain boring. These players are good, but they need to be taught some things, like when you catch a pass, don’t stop and wait for the defender, and when you see a double team, pass out quickly and don’t wait until you are trapped. Other teams players play with a flow. Our players catch and stop.
by davebball on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
quit it with the fire nate stuff
that’s almost as lame as “it’s the refs fault.”
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
but they should lower beer prices
you know, just because I think so.
right?
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think you might have something there.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
see? we can all agree on something.
high five
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mostly agree
The rotational stuff many of us don’t agree with (Oden’s fouls, Miller/Blake) all pale in importance to the lack of effort and poor play we’re getting from normally reliable stars.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude.
His rotational crap is maddening.
The Oden rules are absolute nonsense.
His offensive strategies are flat out atrocious.
His defensive schemes aren’t getting any better.
He’s not motivating his players to give any effort on the defensive end.
He’s not adapting either in-game or from game to game to make changes to help the team win.
What exactly is it that he’s doing right now that’s defensible?
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Blazers have:
Two new starters this year; Are missing 2 of 7 top rotational players; Are in the midst of a chemistry/locker room transition with young, apparently immature leadership.
Context: 4 seasons of development and improvement.
Main issue right now is defense. Defense is about effort. You can believe, Nate is doing everything he can to get the guys to work hard on that end.
This “crisis” is about the players. And it is no big surprise, this team was soft last year in leadership.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't answer my question.
What is it that he’s doing right now that’s defensible?
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what are you talking about?
His win-loss record over the last 4 years!
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Win-loss record over the last four years means absolutely nothing right now
What is he doing today that’s helping the team get better? What is he doing right now that’s helping the team win games? What is he doing right now that’s helping the team develop and come together?
Your coach can either help your team, hurt your team, or do nothing for your team.
At best right now, Nate’s presence is indifferent to our team’s success.
But, why waste a position that could be an asset?
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
absurd.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree to disagree.
I go to law school. Therefore, I have no life.
by andrewgolfsalot on Dec 1, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wondering
wondering why Nate hasn’t done the one combo thing he hasn’t done…and that is starting Miller without Blake and let them gel for at least 10 games….what is the reason?
by debra31098 on Dec 1, 2009 10:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I just think Nate is loyal and Brandon has seemingly voiced his opinion
but that will happen. it’s inevitable.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes please.
If it doesn’t work, at least you’ve attempted the obvious options…unlike now, where we can just say for sure that the current one and the 3-guard have serious flaws.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chances Roy doesn’t make the all star team this season?
Honest question. No really.
"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons
by halo_on on Dec 1, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
depends on blazers' record.
at .500, no.
"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.
by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think he will miss it
because really deron williams has been much better. i suspect the 4 guards will be nash, bryant, williams & paul.
as i recall it’s 4 forwards, 2 centers , 2 guards and 2 others.
he has a chance to be one of the others but if i had to pick 12 right now i’d guess
center: bynum, duncan
forwards: melo, durant, nowitzi, gasol
guards: paul, nash, williams bryant
2 others: boozer, open spot
he’s got a shot at the open spot
by colinmarsh on Dec 1, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hard to say. he does not remotely deserve it at this point, but if the Blazers start winning again, he probably will.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if there were no more games to be played, my projections would be:
FAN VOTED STARTERS
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Paul, Bryant, Anthony, Duncan, Stoudemire
COACH SELECTED RESERVES
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D. Williams, Nash, Durant, Nowitzki, M. Gasol OR A. Bynum, P. Gasol, Parker OR Boozer
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that last slot is Roy's if he gets back to his '08-'09 self.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Dec 1, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or if we have a good record
Despite his problems this year, I bet most coaches love Roy and his reputation is very good.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries are inconvenient
But remember last year when Roy was out? The blazers won some games. Maybe even against Boston? or somebody good. And what about Golden State this year. They were winning games with only 7 players.
by davebball on Dec 1, 2009 10:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
They were swarming and hustling
this group just looks scared and ready to got out and get steaks after the game…
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lol, any chance there is a bodyswitch comedy going on in the locker room between Roy and Oden?
Oden said the team needs to ‘get their head straight and chill out’.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Dec 1, 2009 10:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
SO TRUE
Brandon has been saying some less-than-awesome things of late IMO.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They both need a massage
"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP
by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked seeing Blake's crew out tonight though
I saw a few bloggers defending his honor. that’s great. Blake seems like a cool guy, great competitor, and has made some big plays for the Blazers. I still think he’s a good backup PG at best but can see where they’re coming from.
Can you feel the love? Or at least smell it? Yea. That’s my after shave.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OK. and what if Martell isn't really all that great over the course of an entire game?
have you considered that option?
that would mean this team has NO quality 3’s to play.
I mean, a team with no quality 3’s to play for 30+ minutes would be at a great disadvantage, right?
and what happened to Joel’s mojo? HE USED TO HAVE MOJO.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Martell is good enough to get minutes on a bad team.
But I don’t think he would be getting minutes if Outlaw and Batum were healthy. Martell is just too inconsistent and his skills are very limited.
Przybilla had a career year last year. Just like Blake, I don’t think we should expect the same type of production.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But with Joel
He’s always been a good to great defender. This year he isn’t, except for a few cool blocks.
He’s often been a foul magnet, but this year they are whiggety whack fouls.
If he has to absorb those for Oden not to do them anymore, I can live with it, but I wish I had gotten a memo about it.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember when the Blazers first signed Joel.
He was literally a foul a minute…often 4-5 fouls in 4-5 minutes. I’m hoping we didn’t see the peak last year and are in store for a rapid decline, and I don’t think that’s the case. I think, like you said, we saw the best possible from them last year and we can’t expect that again.
by Free Bayless on Dec 1, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake and Joel are fan favs
but are laying big stinkers on the court of late. It’s not their fault though. I think they are solid role players who feed off of the team’s success—-their success is a byproduct of a good system. Joel is always in the right place and Steve has a knack for hitting big shots.
So I agree with you—-last year was just a magical run by a team that overachieved. Their shortcomings were exploited in the playoffs.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Blake really a fan fave?
Last time I was at a game, there were tons of Joel, Brandon, Greg, and Rudy fans, but I didn’t see many Blake fans. And that was last season during his career year.
by Timmay! on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has strong defenders
Who get upset by the Blake bashing this season.
Nothing to close what Outlaw or Oden or Rudy get defended with, but I’d say Blake is a somewhat fan favorite in the underdog sorta way.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just figure
angry suburban white guy roots for Blake and…
well…half of the 300 level is seemingly comprised of angy suburban white guys.
I hope this post doesn’t offend anyone! I’m not saying being of angry demeanor and from the suburbs is bad! I guess I just always figured those were Steve’s biggest fans (along with Sublime’s biggest NW fans too).
I guess I have a lot of growing up to do.
Meanwhile, Blake is still stinking it up out there…
Regardless, I just think this team has “bad energy”. Yeah—-they need a new attitude ala Gladys Knight and The Pips. It’s my new New Age thing I’m trying out. Can you see J-Bay doing some Yoga to quiet that inner voice saying “this sucks. I wish I could go play somewhere—-ANYWHERE—-other than here. No. shhhhhhh. It’s all a part of the journey. Yes. Sitting and contemplating is the path to true victory.”
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I won't worry about Roy, or LMA,
And I’m happy about oden.
But, I will be worrying about Rudy, Martell, Blake, Joel
by collectiveshane on Dec 1, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Joel's struggles are what people are ignoring.
he has been AWFUL.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Dec 1, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised by his sloth-footed brick-handed game of late.
I wonder if he’s discovered Indian food buffets or finally gottin’ into microbrews.
this town is dangerous!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't been great
But I wonder if our expectation of Joel to be the perimeter defensive savior too unrealistic. Maybe he’s had enough of terrible perimeter defense.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How cool would it be if
Ramsay goes on a hiatus from his broadcasting gig to coach us to a title again?
by CleBlazer on Dec 1, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roy swimming all summer
And not picking up a basketball is not good when you give him a max deal
by wittzz1 on Dec 1, 2009 10:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
he's been caughing it up and losing his handle in crunch time a bit...
that’s so weird to see!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well im out
time to sleep on it and keep telling myself “it’ll all work out eventually”
by collectiveshane on Dec 1, 2009 10:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Was at the game tonight in section 301.
Very disappointed. Any game where your center has such a great game, and yet you get beat SO soundly at home is a serious cause for concern. I mean, this team looks really bad right now. It’s not like the Heat were very good at all. They weren’t. They were just soundly better than a bad team. And that’s what we are right now, a bad team.
Yes, Lamarcus was hurt, and yes, we are a mash unit right now, but I don’t care. The team I saw tonight couldn’t stay in front of anyone on the perimeter, and once the defense broke down, they just gave up. Standing around waiting for something to happen. Greg was the only one who I thought did a good job on defense.
There is something really wrong with this team right now. I hope it’s something they just snap out of. The talent is there.
by dario argento on Dec 1, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey y'all. It's cool that Oden had a career high rebounding game.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:00 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
tied blazer franchise record for O. rebs
"I would (nsfbedge) Rosie O'Donnell for a million dollars" - AK1984
by Starvin' Marvin on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
11?
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm who had that record? Dale Davis?
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Dudley? I'm shocked!
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah davis had it
they showed the stat on the big screen. it was on this day many years ago too… freaky.
"I would (nsfbedge) Rosie O'Donnell for a million dollars" - AK1984
by Starvin' Marvin on Dec 1, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was right? Hmm who's right? You or Morty?
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was Danny Young
Everyone who says otherwise is trying to trick you, L-Train.
I am the only one you can trust.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe you.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they showed the stat on the big screen
"I would (nsfbedge) Rosie O'Donnell for a million dollars" - AK1984
by Starvin' Marvin on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hm?
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At the RG? Maybe they were wrong.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SMHSMHSMH
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisda01/gamelog/2002/
check 11-30
I was a day off
"I would (nsfbedge) Rosie O'Donnell for a million dollars" - AK1984
by Starvin' Marvin on Dec 1, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or #16 on the list if you prefer that
"I would (nsfbedge) Rosie O'Donnell for a million dollars" - AK1984
by Starvin' Marvin on Dec 1, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Basketball reference is wrong as well
That site is a joke, you shouldn’t reference it.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would I lie about Danny Young being our best rebounder?
Makes no sense to lie about that.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Greatest rebounding guard ever Morty.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OF ALL TIME.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He averaged 12.4 rebounds one year
As the backup PG! It was amazing to see.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are so wrong Morty. It ain't even funny how wrong you are. He averaged 12.4 OFFENSIVE rebounds a year.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You silly man
That would mean he averaged what would be a all time high for the Blazers, for an entire season?
Now you’re just making fun of me :-(
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Me making fun of you? I'd never do that Morty. Ever.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
THEN WHY DOES MY HEART HURT.
I haven’t felt this way since we traded Danny Young for Otis Thorpe :-(
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yessir
"I would (nsfbedge) Rosie O'Donnell for a million dollars" - AK1984
by Starvin' Marvin on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Coming against the 4th best team in the league in the defensive rebounding rate category
that’s pretty significant.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
by ignign*kt on Dec 1, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Too bad no one else is showing up for him.
by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh it's still early. We just gotta win a couple more games later in the season to make up for these losses.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry but
hehehehehehehe
how can you “make up” for the quality of losses these last few games?
How can you ever truly make up for playing this badly?
This team needs a butt woopin’.
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by Hipster Olympic Team! on Dec 1, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how can you "make up" for the quality of losses these last few games?
Win 3 games.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.
by L-TrainFTW! on Dec 1, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
These games don't matter as long as we're playing nice Blazers basketball going into the playoffs.
AK1984.
Mortimer.
Norsktroll.