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Follow Up To Figuring It Out: Whose Job Is It?

Yesterday's piece on figuring out the offense got a lot of response on and off-site, a fair amount of it positive.  I thank you for the feedback.  It's nice to hear.

I feel like I should add that it's horribly easy to put generalities down on paper.  It's infinitely harder to turn those generalities into real-life specifics on an NBA court with opponents trying to stop you from doing exactly that.  It's like the perfect video game that each one of us has in the back of our mind.  Mine is going to be turn-based strategy just like the Civilization series but it's going to incorporate first-person shooter team combat with elements of an RPG and it's going to happen in a world without boundaries that contains both random instances and solid landmarks that stay constant except when players affect them in some permanent way.

OK, sounds great!  So let's start programming it!  Let's see...

10  Print "Greatest Game Ever!"

20  Print "Enter Your Name:"

30  Input A$

Hmmm...this is going to take a while.  Meanwhile we should address the question that several of you wrote to ask, perhaps put most succinctly by BlazerJim:

There seem to be two camps here.  Some say the players are responsible.  Some say the coach.  Whose job is it to make sure this kind of stuff happens?

Click through for the reponse.

Star-divide

I think on this team you have to start with the coaching staff.  Whatever you think of Nate McMillan he does have experience winning NBA games that none of his players yet have.  He's been to the Finals.  He watched Gary Payton grow into a Hall of Famer firsthand.  He knows more about this league than any individual on his team right now with the possible exception of Andre Miller.   The team still needs a guiding shove in the right direction and this is one of those times when only he can keep them from stumbling around in the dark hoping to find the right way.  It's not so much that he's responsible for leading them to the Promised Land.  Rather he's responsible for making the preparation for the journey as efficient as possible and making sure that the first steps are in the right direction.  He has to set the big picture.  He has to let his players know which steps are necessary, both on the court and in the locker room.  And I'm not sure he can leave even the latter completely open to chance.  Of course players are individuals and each will relate and participate in their own way.  Brandon Roy will not be the kind of leader Nate McMillan would be.  Trying to turn him into Nate would result in frustration and poor leadership.  But I don't think it would be amiss for Nate to help chart the course with the team's clear captain.  He could easily sit down with Roy and/or other team leaders and say, "Here's what we're going to need as far as people aligning and pitching in.  If we don't get this we're going to have more difficulty.  So however you manage it, try to make it happen."

That is where I see Nate's responsibility ending.  He charts the game plan.  He tells the guys we need to run and get the ball to Oden early and space the floor.  It's up to the team leaders, the players themselves, to first commit and then make sure everybody else follows. 

I know some will say that Nate's big picture is wrong.  OK...I won't argue against that possibility.  It may be.  But we do know it hasn't been in seasons past, at least judging by win totals and overall progress.  There's no doubt Nate should have been the coach leading us into this year.  And since he was (and is) what are you going to do now if you're a player even if you think the plan isn't the best?  Yes, you could sulk and give up but you're not helping anyone, including yourself, by doing so.  If you quit or "go rogue" then how do we know it was the system that failed and not your attitude that failed the system?  Changing coaches in the middle of the season is certain to cause more disruption and there's no guarantee the next guy will have anything better on the spur of the moment, nor that you could learn and implement it if he did.  It could get better, but it could just as easily fall apart.  The option you're left with is to play as well as you can, sticking as much as you can to the same page everybody is supposed to be on.  If you've done that and it turns out to have been a failure at the end of the year then that will speak for itself, and no fault to you either.  Then you can have the "this isn't working" conversation and have it mean something.  You also have the best chance of correcting it with the entire summer to adjust.  This is what you do when the going gets tough.  You give everything you can in order to keep things going and make them better until such a time as you're all able to evaluate and regroup.

Anyway, back to the players' portion of the locker room responsibility.  This is where I see a considerable amount of growth needing to happen.  This does need to become Brandon Roy's team and Greg Oden's team and LaMarcus Aldridge's team and not just Nate McMillan's team.  They're in the early stages but they're ready to start making their imprint and needing their coach a little less.  But if you're going to take that control, you have to do it in the right way.  You have to show that the team is better off with you calling more of the shots, not just that it works better for you.  Extending yesterday's analogy a little, you can't drive however you want just because you now have your license.  It's your time to prove what you can do with this responsibility.

This means that each player in that triumvirate has to have an eye out for the success of the other two.  It's in Brandon Roy's best interests to make Greg Oden look really good and vice versa.  It's in both of their interests to keep LaMarcus happy as well.  Offensively, defensively, you do whatever you can to show that you've got each others' backs and that an integral part of you getting yours is also them getting theirs because that's how wins are created.  I wouldn't just expect Brandon Roy to go to the coach and say, "Give me the ball more."  I would expect him to say, "Now that I've got the ball in my hands, what's the best way for me to play off of Greg so that both of us do damage?"  That right there is utilizing your coach right while still getting what you need.

This also means that the Big Three need to realize that they are the Big Three for a reason and enforce that.  Remember what we said yesterday about role players having roles?  The truth is, the coach can't completely enforce those roles himself.  Guys are going to resent him and tune him out for that.  You can do that because he's the coach.  Sure, he can bench you, but how many times can he do that if you're a good player?  In the end the players always have the upper hand in this league.  But the stars of the team can be enforcers.  It's not like Brandon has to give you the ball.  He can create his own option at any time and it's probably comparable to yours.  Nobody is going to fault him for taking 26 shots a game.  Nobody's going to complain if you get 3 shots a game either except maybe your agent and your momma.  And Brandon doesn't care about either of them.  He's got a long-term contract, he's got an All-Star berth waiting, and he's got the rock.  When he speaks you pretty much have to listen.

Part of the growing up process for the team leaders will be realizing that they can't be nice, let alone fair, in the locker room.  This isn't the Athens Senate.  This is a cabal which should, at this point, have a membership of three.  They rule, you follow.  If another player starts breaking the offense to get his they take him aside and get him back in line.  If a guy has an attitude problem they inform him it doesn't matter.  He can make everybody listen to his fits when he gets his own team.  If a guy isn't hitting his jumpers he fixes it or they fix it for him by taking him out of the process and working for better shots for themselves.  If a guy is trotting down the court when they want to push they tell him to get his butt in gear.  Once upon a time Michael Jordan informed his teammates that anyone who passed the ball to center Bill Cartwright in the fourth quarter would never see the ball from him again.  When I first heard that I thought he was a complete jerk.  I have since come to realize that he was a complete jerk, but that's also what it takes sometimes.  The Showtime L*kers didn't belong to Chuck Nevitt.  Those were Magic's teams and Kareem's, just as the Bulls were Jordan's and Pippen's and the Celtics Bird's, McHale's, and Parish's.  Those players depended on each other more than they depended on anyone else so everyone else had to fall in line for lack of leverage if nothing else.  You be as nice and chemistry-oriented as you are allowed to be but the wins come first.  You can't be afraid to get in somebody's face and let them know that.  You also have to understand that even though teams succeed by unselfishness and sacrifice, when you're among the best players part of your role is to be a little selfish so that your teammates have a chance to practice their unselfishness and sacrifice.  If people don't like you...well, they probably didn't like most of those other Hall-of-Famers we just mentioned either.  But their consolation prize was a fistful of rings.  Time and distance soften resentment.  Championship bling lasts for-ev-er.

Jason Quick reported today that Oden, Aldridge, and Roy met with Coach Nate behind closed doors to check in.  To me that's an encouraging sign, not so much for what might come out of the meeting but because the personnel were right.  Nate had the right idea last year when he invited the three for dinner at his house...a nice gesture but also one which, by definition, set them apart from everyone else.  We haven't seen the three of them pull together yet, let alone seen them chewing the baby fat off of one of their teammates.  At least we haven't seen it on the court.  And there have been plenty of reasons to chew a little fat on the court lately.  Even were they jawing at Nate today I would take that as a positive sign...even were I Nate himself.  In fact I'd like to see more of that spirit and that hardness.  Properly directed, which again gets back to the coach's role, that's the kind of thing that will grow this team and eventually produce more wins.

Whose job is it to make sure things go right?  It's the coach's job and the players, each in distinct, but hopefully complementary, ways.  It'll take all of them doing their jobs well, supporting and challenging each other, in order to maximize the potential of this club.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Dave, you exempt Nate too much

He has the ultimate power to make sure every player fills his role — the bench.

He ought to use it.

Now, is that what happened with Andre in Utah? If so, good for Nate.

We know that is what has happened with the fouling with Greg, and it has helped.

Why should he not use that even on Brandon if he’s not putting out defensive effort or running the offense or finding Greg on the pick and roll if that’s what he’s supposed to do?

The coach holds the ultimate weapon to mold the team into his vision, and I can guarantee there are young guys on the bench who would love the opportunity to run through a brick wall to try and do exactly what Nate wants.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 1, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions  

What would happen if Nate benched or lost Brandon?

He’s done. He’s also all over the news the instant it happens. The coach’s power isn’t that absolute in this league.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

While valid point there are subtle ways

Quick substitutions at key moments in the second and third quarter.

All of the second and third quarter.

by jiminut on Dec 1, 2009 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Cutting Roy's minutes still would be the same thing

You can’t mess around and ruin things with your star unless very secure— and even then, you lose your star, he is staying, not you.

Stan Van Gundy has called out Dwight Howard several times over the last 2 seasons for lazy defense and effort, and they don’t worry about SVG losing D-Ho. But, he doesn’t mess with Howard’s minutes.

I want Nate to feel comfortable and secure enough in his position to always be honest and critical (when needed) of his players, but outright benching your star is coaching suicide.

Especially if it’s a non-malcontent like Roy.

Nate needs to stress how important working it inside and the pick and roll is to Roy, but ultimately it’s up to Roy to do it and Nate doesn’t have a lot he can do about it aside from saying “Geez, c’mon Roy, just do it, okay? Gawsh”.

Morty

by Mortimer on Dec 1, 2009 12:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm also thinking

that taking more of that kind of control is the opposite of what he needs to do, especially with the Big Three. It’s more of a situation where he says, “I’ve done what I can in this vein. I’m still coaching you and giving you the best shot possible but you’ve got to take it and you’ve got to lead this team.”

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2009 12:53 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Now, you might be right there

But in that case, he needs to be telling Greg to tear into Brandon if Brandon won’t hit him on the pick and roll, or LMA to be chewing out Greg for that dumb foul, or Brandon telling LMA to get on those defensive boards. In other words, he needs to make it clear they are to hold each other accountable.

These three guys are all young and flawed players. And they are extremely talented, talented enough to coast on their talent without working to address their flaws. But if we’re going to be anywhere near as good as we should be, they need some serious accountability.

Where does that accountability come from? It is possible with Greg that it is internal, that he will hold himself accountable, but I don’t think it is with Brandon and LMA. I think they need someone holding them accountable, and if it isn’t Nate, it’s going to have to be with their co-stars. And for that to happen, since they are all such easy going guys, I suspect Nate has to explicitly put that responsibility on them.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 1, 2009 1:16 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

That is exactly

the route I would take first. I suspect were I coach—at least looking in from outside—that would have been the text of my meeting with them today. That and hearing them out about what they need.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2009 1:24 AM PST up reply actions  

agreed

Roy needs to push Greg to me more aggressive to the hole with the ball on offense, same with LaMarcus to an extent. Oden needs to be more demanding on defensive effort with Roy and Aldridge. LaMarcus needs to keep pushing the point guards to be more up tempo.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 1, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

LaMarcus

needs to pick-and-roll, not pick-and-pop!!

Though this may be more difficult with Greg in the game.

--

by CaptainSexyJacob on Dec 1, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

While I agree

he can be deadly from 12 to 16 feet, and with oden in that should be a little freer for him and should give him better lanes to the hoop as the defender needs to stay closer to him ont he outside.

I think Aldridge is better suited to come in driving to the hoop from wide so pick and roll and transition is his game. His post up game is sketchy at best (if he develops it more then I am on board).

Basically what I m trying to say is he needs to pick and roll more, but he does not need to spurn the pick and pop either, it can help him with his overall style of play.

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Dec 1, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes!

I’m looking forward to seeing a lot more chippiness, even if it spawns a half-dozen repetitive fanposts about “chemistry”

by Corvid on Dec 1, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not talking sitting him for three quarters

I’m talking the third time he loafs on defense and gets burned again that Nate pulls him out early and sits him for a few minutes, then when he sends him back in, he says, “Brandon, we need EFFORT on defense.”

Public humiliation, no. A change in normal substitution patterns, yes. Brandon will get the message.

If you are saying Brandon is the one who calls the shots, and not Nate, then we’re doomed. Because Brandon doesn’t make the substitutions or design the offensive and defensive sets, and if you have shared authority that is not in synch, you’ll never get anywhere.

Now, if they are in synch, then the whole question of benching Brandon is irrelevant.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 1, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually I think it is Brandon calling the shots on his own playing time

There is no way Nate wants Brandon to play the most minutes in the NBA. He understands the grind and the need to pace your star. But Brandon wants back in and gets back in when he says so. That is the way I see it. It is not a problem – Brandon, Greg and LA need to discuss the substitution plan with Nate and agree together. Then Greg and LA can help keep Brandon resting more. Accountability from within.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Dec 1, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

But what if the locker room actually was the Athenian Senate?

ROY:

Is this the balsam that the usuring senate
  Pours into captains’ wounds? Banishment!
It comes not ill; I hate not to be banish’d;
  It is a cause worthy my spleen and fury,
  That I may strike at Athens.

- Brandon of Athens (okay, fine. Timon of Athens III v)

Actually, while I think and hope this confusion about roles is all going to be all right, I wonder if another step for Nate as coach right now could be to give Brandon more direct responsibility for integrating Oden and LMA. The old leadership trick of making the 2nd in command feel like it was his idea in the first place. Could that be a coaching maneuver— Adding in sets where Roy directly sets up Oden, and vice versa? Right now it’s hard not to get the impression that Roy is frustrated and anxious whenever the point guard delivers the ball into the post, a bit like being that guy on a really bad date who’s always looking over his date’s head at the TV playing “Sportscenter.”

by HowlinJoeWolf on Dec 1, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions  

What's Andre doing

with that hemlock?

Corrupting youth indeed…

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2009 1:16 AM PST up reply actions  

As Andre Socrates dies:

Juwan… I owe an assist to Greg Oden…

I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.

by haildablazer on Dec 1, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice shot!

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Dec 1, 2009 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Guess What jscot!!!!

I really disagree with you. If you treat a baby like a baby he will always be a baby; if you treat a baby like a man then he will become a man.

Punishment is for kids. Pointing out flaws is for men. Of course many men react like children when confronted with a flaw in their game, and the human reaction is if you act like a kid I will treat you as a kid. In actuality, we should be doing the opposite. To get a grown up to stop acting childish treat them like an adult and see the change.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

But adoescents believe they are men and still need to be held accountable as well

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Dec 1, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

"adolescents"

Spelling fail

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Dec 1, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions  

That is true that why you treat them as adults.

The biggist thing to being an adult is accountability.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

All good points

And yet, it’s Nate’s job to get the right people on the court, and in that regard, he needs to improve.

I’m talking at the PG spot. Wrong guy starting, with 2 guys sitting that need to get more minutes.

Above that, yeah, this is going to take some time. It’s a young team, and we should keep that in mind. Some of Brandon’s comments today about “pecking orders” and such revealed, again, that while he’s the leader, he’s got room to grow. And in a way, that’s great.

by travis13 on Dec 1, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions  

The problem is

Andre acts like it’s his team. It’s not that’s why it’s not working. Watch as he ignores brandon calling for the ball while andre calls his own number. Besides with the injuries we need more punch off the bench. If Andre wants to pretend he’s an off-guard let’s let him do it when we need it.

by SamGoody on Dec 1, 2009 8:52 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

They'll be fine together

As long as Miller doesn’t shoot threes. When he doesn’t have the ball, and Brandon kicks it out, Miller needs to use the floor in front of him to get other people shots, rather than hoisting up another flat one.

by travis13 on Dec 1, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions  

On topic

But we know I was…

1. Yes, Nate earned the position by virtue of bringing us here. And I admit to being unfairly pessimistic in my view of him bringing us THERE. I fully respect what Nate’s accomplished with this Trailblazers team and believe that he has what it takes to be a Championship coach. Maybe even this year. But if we don’t progress this year (i.e., WCF), my patience runs thin.

2. Recall in an early game when Greg was shouting everyone up and down on defense. Since my view is kinda limited (mostly radio), I don’t know… has he continued this trend at all? Like I said then, a man like Greg Oden shouting at you would be very… motivating.

by jiminut on Dec 1, 2009 12:19 AM PST reply actions  

How can you say "I was"

when before you said you had “never been”? :)

At first, I was a “never been”, but later, at worst, I am a “has been”.

Now everyone else will wonder what in the world I’m talking about.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 1, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm sure they're used to it

I know word for word exactly what you mean and it’s still confusing.

by jiminut on Dec 1, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

“I’m sure they’re used to it.”

Brilliant response.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Dec 1, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions  

There is a good analogy to proper parenting here

We have three grown children. With each weprotected them and made decision for them as needed. But our goal was to create fences to allow them to feel secure, then move those fences outward each year to stretch them and allow them to grow. The made mistakes, We expected those mistakes and helped them to understand their failures were part of life and to learn from them. We always wanted to move those fences a little farther out then they felt ready for until by age 18 there were no fences.

It moves faster in a sport where you start with 18-21 year olds and only have 4-6 years to move them into maturity and they only have 10-15 years to play. But the same principles apply to both players and teams. Nate has had to father these players and this team from infant through the past 3+ years (Outlaw and Webster for more). So moving more responsibility onto the players at this time seems entirely appropriate. If they become championship contenders they must do it themselves together. The big three are entirely the focus and they have to stick together and do as Dave says here and learn to be enforcers together. As with children these tough situations are where they grow the most, Either they are determined to win together or they fail until they get it.

As fans we might step back from our angst and admire the process and the development that is sure to follow. There will be more mistakes and more learning to come but my bet is they do get it.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Dec 1, 2009 12:44 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Good call

As I said above to jscot. treat them as adults and they will become adults and that is taking ultimate responsibliliy for everything you do, say, think or act up on.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

And as I said also above they are more like late adolescents now - needing to be self-accountable and still

still within loose boundaries.

They are almost men now and even as men they must work for their employer, who has placed Nate over them as supervisor. To date he has been a marvelous trainer and supervisor. His planning and direction have formed a well-functioning work group. Now, with the addition of two more key employees into the group Nate must restructure and he appears to be using the Japanese model of group accountability some of the time to do so. He helps them set the production goals and he sets the framework (factory setup) to provide the needed boundaries and they must now be group-accountable for achieving those goals. They appear to be well on the way.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Dec 1, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Win games. Period.

I agree, Nate has to show these guys the path and get them pointed in the right direction but the players have to walk it.

The Jordan story is interesting, I agree that he was a jerk but I also imagine that he saw what it took to win and that was more important to him than anything else. Making friends, keeping everyone happy, being a ‘unselfish’ player is nice but you get that paycheck to win games. After the Houston series it looked like Roy was starting to tune into that, the “win above all else” mentality. I hope he can get back to that place, to remember what it was like to be beaten in the playoffs and be THAT leader. The guy who accepts a different role to win, who welcomes Andre in even though it’s uncomfortable because it gives the team a better shot to win. I think this team follows Roy and he is the one person who could light a fire under everyone.

by JonathanPDX on Dec 1, 2009 12:51 AM PST reply actions  

Nate designes the plays and Nate calls the plays (most of the time)

If the guys aren’t playing the way they should or they aren’t getting the ball to the players who should have the ball, that is Nate’s fault. It would be different if we had more of a “hands off” coach, but Nate likes to micromanage his players and therefore he bears a lot of responsibility for how they perform on the court.

by trk on Dec 1, 2009 1:23 AM PST reply actions  

Which should ease soon

One would hope.

—Dave

by Dave on Dec 1, 2009 1:24 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

What?

“If the guys aren’t playing the way they should or they aren’t getting the ball to the players who should have the ball, that is Nate’s fault.” That’s flat out backwards. If they’re not doing what Nate told them to do, that would be their fault for not doing what Nate told them to do.

If he keeps going to places in futility, it’s his fault. Failure to execute a plan is the executor’s fault, not the planner.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Dec 1, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

There is some of both here

1. Nate has set the plan and determined the method. The players are responsible to try to execute that plan.

2. With a closed circle of employees (players) Nate does not have the ability to fire a player for not following the plan. What is expected, however, is that he communicate with the players and help them self-motivate to achieve the goals using Nate’s plan.

A failure in either 1 or 2 leads to failure in meeting the goals. So it is a mutual responsibility.

That said it is also necessary to fail to gain that unity of responsibility. This is where KP has responsibility – to select coach and players whose character drives them to achieve the goal of winning together by being willing to sacrifice their individuals goals for team goals. This is what will set this team apart from others – that character. In failure they will find unity. So it is also KP’s responsibility to select that character and the success or failure will be see in the macro not in the micro. Season’s end is a good time to review and see either stagnation, degradation or growth.

In the meantime we might, as fans, simply watch the process and enjoy to ride.

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Dec 1, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Brandon's "confusion" (actually discontent) over his role is simply not controlling the ball enough.

Brandon doesn’t want Miller starting because that means controlling the ball less. But even without Miller starting, Greg’s getting touches and shots that Joel never saw, and Webster takes more shots than Batum. The result is Brandon playing the first quarter with far less touches than last year. He doesn’t feel as involved and doesn’t always find his rhythm in the first quarter. We can get by against lightweight teams, or on nights when his supporting cast is clicking, but ultimately it’s going to mean losing the important games and even more discontent. We aren’t taking advantage of what Brandon can do for this team.

Brandon should fully take over the role of our half-court point guard whenever Miller’s on the bench.

That is going to be the ultimate signature of our future offense anyway, so let’s get at it now. Brandon doesn’t want to play with a traditional PG. He wants to control the ball and be the half-court PG, he just doesn’t want to bring the ball up the court or have the defensive responsibilities of a PG. He has Blake now, and if Bayless improves his outside shot and defense, he will be a better future complement to Brandon than Blake. It’s obvious Bayless will never be a traditional PG, but this is why we have kept him around. If Bayless should fizzle, we will be looking for another outside shooting, defensive minded PG, not another ball-dominant Miller-type PG.

Blake (and hopefully eventually Bayless) can bring the ball up the court and guard the opposing PG, but Brandon should be running the half the court offense. He already leads the team in assists and I’m sure he would be happy to get more. I believe he wants to control the play, not necessarily get more points. He should have the ball on virtually every half-court set and initiate the plays. This is the way to keep Brandon involved, to get him into rhythm, and make sure he can take over when needed or defer to others when that is working.

Brandon can run the pick and rolls with Oden (Oden must learn to actually execute picks and then roll), pick and pops with LMA, drives to the hole and finish or dish to Greg, Blake, or Martell, make entry passes to Greg or swing the ball to Blake (or Rudy) for a better angled entry pass to Greg, and take those outside shots. I don’t see anything Blake can do as a half-court PG that Brandon can’t do better or learn to do better. So let’s plant Blake in the corner and turn the offense over to Brandon.

by BlazerFanSince1970 on Dec 1, 2009 3:28 AM PST reply actions  

Big +1. That's percisely my take on it ....

you just described it better than I ever could have BlazerFanSince1970 (damn that’s a clumsy handle …… but descriptive).

Rec!

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Dec 1, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Also,

I wouldn’t be at all surprised that KP may have as a top priority acquiring that point guard you described above.

If this Blazer team doesn't light your fire, then your wood is wet!

by TwoDeep on Dec 1, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Wasn't this Dave's topic "to figure it out.

He more or less said that we need to push the tempo up the court. and that is where Andre and IMO, Blake comes in. After we get across the time line if the fast break or dunks to our bigs is covered, give the ball to BRoy and let him do his thing. then the ball in whose hands is solved. If Steve, Andre or JBay doesn’t want to play that way then trade them for someone that will.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, Brandon also must learn to pass it on the pick and roll. Our bigs and smalls are pretty bad at it right now.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Dec 1, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the issue is that

we don’t Pick & Roll. We pick & slip, pick & fade, etc. Joel is the only big we have who knows how to ROLL off the play, and not surprisingly, he receives the ball on the way to the basket as a result.

I’d LOVE to see our other bigs learn to pivot & seal their man after setting the pick, then moving to the basket with an angle to receive the pass… and I’d love for Roy to develop a lead pass to deliver the ball, rather than throwing over the top as much as he does.

For a team who uses so many “pick &…” plays, we almost never run it the most effective way. The ‘pick & slip’ and ‘pick & fade/pop’ variations should be ways to keep defenders honest and wary, not go-to versions.

by Biddy77 on Dec 1, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions  

too much GMing

I wonder if there isn’t a little too much GM wanna be going on and not enough thinking like a fan. In one sense I don’t care why a team plays a bad game I only care about how the character of the team develops. For instance, by being blown out by a bad team the door is open for it to become part of the character of the team. Who care’s if it’s because Miller’s brooding or Brandon’s pouting or McMillan’s messing (all of which may or may not be true). I’m worried that this team will become the team that just wastes a game every once in a while(i.e. not champion material).

A big reason that the Blazers didn’t win against Houston is that they played one bad game. For me it looked and felt like simple inexperience. But at the moment the question is creeping in that it could be a trend for this team. Are we going to end the season with a loss to Sacramento in April that will cost a playoff position? Can this team put together 7 tough competitive games in a series?

If you want to know what I’m talking about then see the New Orleans Saint’s football game last night. What did they call it? Oh yes, a ‘defining game’. If I was a fan of the Saints, my excitement level just went through the roof. But when I look at the Blazers I’m wondering what defining game they’ve had. Right now all I see is fog. My hope is that they define themselves as a team that has ‘figured it out’ after early struggles.

by gooddebate on Dec 1, 2009 8:57 AM PST reply actions  

Interesting point, but ...

In an 82 game season a “signature” win or a defining victory doesn’t carry quite the weight that a win or a loss does in the NFL. Wins and losses in a 16 game season magnify each games importance, especially when the difference between being a good team and a mediocre team can be as little as 2 or 3 losses.

Defining yourself in the NBA usually requires a month long string of playing a certain way, and so far we’ve had one muddled month where there’s been little consistency or cohesion … maybe that turns around in December (maybe not).

by nikolokolus on Dec 1, 2009 9:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Not only is that going to take a while to program...

You’ve got to fit it into 16k or less on that Atari 8-bit!

by TheMadKiwi on Dec 1, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

No wonder there's no fast break...

Shouldn’t we at least upgrade to Apple II?

by gooddebate on Dec 1, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

Brandon's Issues

Granted he is less involved because others are more involved. But I think the biggest thing with Brandon this year is that his offensive moves are just not the same. Last year, he was extremely efficient, he would juke a player until they make a move towards him and then he would go by that player and cause havoc. This year, he’s content to just take the fade away jump shot, which not only is a lower percentage shot but also doesn’t create any other opportunities. It’s a one & done kind of a deal. Also, last year, I rarely see him dribble the ball behind his back, he was doing more crossovers. This year, I see him put it behind his back all the time and that move doesn’t work. it basically stops him in his tracks and the only bailout from that move is creating free space for a jumpshot.

Go back to what worked last year. More crossovers and more moves towards the basket. He’ll create more layups and more opportunities for everyone else, including Greg.

by BarelyLegal on Dec 1, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

That has been my line of thinking.

Except when he starts his drive he very seldom dishes, but that would be better then one and done. because it gives Greg ir Joel more of a chance for a put back if BRoy draws the defender from blocking them out.

This is just my thought from observation, a defender can block out a big much easier from a set shot or jump-shot easier then if the ball was taken to the rim. Opposing teams does that all the time to Greg and Joel when their guards take it to the rim. Also they block out when our guards jump-shoots the ball. That is a double double LOL.

hg

by BBK on Dec 1, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

a little percpective

I want folks to remember that the “big three” as they are called a lot, aren’t really that big when you set them a long side other “big” players in this leage. Oden, barely makes the starting 5 for some teams. Aldridge, isn’t an allstar. And Roy, well he gets in, we hope, but he doesn’t start. Lets keep things simpie and hope that the “big three” get big enough to carry this team. If they are not big enough, we must get 5 guys who know how to play basketball together as one dominant unit and a few bench guys to come in and compliment this unit. Right now, we have it against weaker competition, but we don’t stack up to the “BIG” talent that is out there right now. Lastly, as far as bringing this team together goes, the coach is the one responsible for this…PERIOD! If there are problems with this team jell’n, then pull some hat’s out of the bag Nate and get this done. That is why you make the big bucks. It’s not for the players or media to decide, it’s you. Get’r done.

by MPP24 on Dec 1, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

I have been looking for someone to express this clearly and simply...

I should have known it would be you Dave. Right on the money. I don’t really have any disagreements except perhaps that the role players doing their job without complaint would simplify and unify and then perhaps the “chewing the baby fat” off of them would not be needed.

Thanks again nice piece,

    RoadBlazer

by Roadblazer on Dec 1, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions  

And I repeat

In an early game this season Greg was shouting everyone up and down on defense.

Since my view is kinda limited (mostly radio), can someone tell me if he has continued this trend at all? I know he’s a gentle giant, but a guy like Greg Oden shouting at you would be very motivating.

by jiminut on Dec 1, 2009 11:16 AM PST reply actions  

Greg is very vocal now--

but he’s not a leader yet. He’s a communicator, but he hasn’t established himself as a guy who gets it done night-in and night-out (mostly due to his inability to stay on the floor), and he’s going to have to do that before guys are willing to accept him as a voice with authority.

Still, what he’s doing now is the first step in that process, because he’s showing a willingness to use his voice, and he’s being encouraging, assertive, and demonstrating that he holds himself accountable, and expects the same from other guys.

Once he’s able to be out there more, and gets a little more polish, I expect that guys will be forced to look at him in a different light. It’s one thing when a guy is saying “play smart” and limiting his own minutes with foul trouble. It’s another when the guy says the same thing, but he’s out there giving everything he’s asked to give and then some, without being his own enemy.

by Biddy77 on Dec 1, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Purpose:

The reservoir of strength that Brandon needs to locate in himself to overcome his desultory performance. Also, the force that will organize everything about the team, from play on the court, to words spoken to the press.

This is how I read Brandon this year. His poor effort, pouting and pointing the finger at his teammates are symptoms, not of egomania, but a lack of hunger. And it makes perfect sense in the context of his max contract. Rare is the 24 year old that has a driving sense of purpose that will not be deflected or at least deferred by having all of his material concerns met.

Dave described above the limited options available to Nate. He is the teacher with this group. If he is a really really really good teacher, he has anticipated the need for Brandon’s moment of doubt, and created the circumstances where this is most likely to be productive.

But ultimately, Brandon either has that competitive hunger, or he does not. If he is coming from a place of “I should…,” well then it’s not gonna get done.

"The only 'Advanced Metric' that matters is what you see with your eyes." -Timbo, Nov., 2009.

by Blazin' on Dec 1, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

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