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Media Row Report: Blazers 116 Timberwolves 93

Portland Trail Blazers guard Andre Miller, left, shoots as Minnesota Timberwolves forward Oleksiy Pecherov, from Ukraine, pretends to play defense during the second half of their NBA basketball game in Portland, Ore., Sunday, Nov. 8, 2009.  Miller led the Blazers in scoring with 21 points as they beat the Timberwolves 116-93. (AP Photo/Don Ryan)

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Portland Trail Blazers guard Andre Miller, left, shoots as Minnesota Timberwolves forward Oleksiy Pecherov, from Ukraine, pretends to play defense during the second half of their NBA basketball game in Portland, Ore., Sunday, Nov. 8, 2009. Miller led the Blazers in scoring with 21 points as they beat the Timberwolves 116-93. (AP Photo/Don Ryan)

Interesting basketball game this evening in the Rose Garden. It's hard to really, um, isolate the keys to tonight's Portland Trail Blazers victory. 

As I look through the box score I am noticing a few things that stand out.  

The Blazers scored more points in the first half, scored more points in the second half, shot better from the field, shot better from the free throw line, shot better from the 3 point line, got more offensive rebounds, got more defensive rebounds, had more assists, committed less fouls, had more steals, committed less turnovers, had more points in the paint, had more second chance points, and had more fast break points.

Other than that, you know, it was a fairly even match up. 

Big time kudos to the Minnesota Timberwolves for blocking more shots (4 to 3) and committing less defensive 3 seconds (0 to 1), which really kept things close.

The final score was 116 to 93 which implies that this was a respectable contest, which is incorrect.  Playing at 3/4 speed the Blazers ran out to a 28 point lead against a Timberwolves squad that is most likely the least talented professional basketball team I have seen in the last three years.  Aside from Jonny Flynn, who is already an elite point guard from a "pure joy to watch play basketball" perspective, this team was just bad.  Really, really, really bad.  They conducted themselves with class and dignity through the pre-game, game and post-game, much to their credit, but there is simply not enough talent on that roster to be competitive on most nights in the NBA.

If I charted this game it would read: possession 1, bad; possession 2, bad; possession 3, bad, etc. 

Let's focus on a few Blazers bright spots...

Dante Cunningham

In his seventh NBA game, Blazers rookie power forward saw his first action, stepping confidently into the game (surrounded by players he probably recognized from Las Vegas Summer League) and hit 3 of 4 field goals in 6 fourth quarter minutes.  

His first NBA bucket was especially memorable, as he banked in a 16 footer.  I asked Dante after the game how it felt to get his first run and whether the bank was intentional...

How'd it feel..

It was good. It felt real good. Get out there, get the jitters out. Go out there and have fun and play.

Did you call bank?

Yeah, yeah, I yelled it before I let it go. (smiles)

You gave it some extra juice...

It definitely was, it was a little nervousness, you hear all the time about rookies airballing their first shot, I really didn't want that to happen. So you know I kinda just let it go you know... It went in so you can't be too mad at it.

Was it a different feel out there from the preseason?

I mean, honestly it really wasn't. I took it as whenever you get your shot, take advantage of it. That's all I could do.

Be sure to read Nate McMillan's thoughts on Cunningham's performance below as well.

LaMarcus Aldridge

It was nice to see a little more assertiveness and a little less fadeaway from Aldridge, who quickly recognized that he over-matched his competition and did some nice work in the first half.  Given the relatively-weak caliber of opponents on this upcoming 5 game road trip, hopefully Aldridge uses tonight's game as a turning point and a building block.  

3 Guard Lineup

As expected, Nate McMillan went with it again tonight and was very forceful in his praise for its results.  The Miller/Roy/Blake trio is hear to stay, at least in the short term. Be sure to read Nate's comments on the subject below.

Brandon Roy

One thing to keep an eye on, though, will be Roy's mood as this three guard lineup continues to play out.  Tonight, in a blowout, he didn't seem to have any problem scoring just two points and sitting and watching the bench guys mop up an easy win for most of the second half.  But one obvious effect of more ball movement is less touches (and shorter touches) for Roy.  Overall, in theory, this is a good thing.  The Blazers assist to buckets ratio (35 assists on 41 field goals) was out-of-this-world good.  But tonight wasn't a true test.  The true test comes when the Blazers lose a close game and Roy's touches/shots are less than he'd prefer.  At that point, the feasibility of the new starting lineup will really get put to the test.  

As long as Roy buys into the greater good -- and reaps the benefit of some of Miller's outstanding passes and the easy buckets that go with increasing the tempo -- there shouldn't be a problem.  Easier said than done, I would assume. 

Nate's Post-Game Comments

Best thing about a game like this...

Well, the thing tonight, we wanted to be about business. Go out and try to work and improve and get better. Build off the last game against San Antonio, just play the game the right way. Matter of fact, we had 35 assists tonight. That's always a good sign when the team is moving the ball because it will get everybody involved. I thought defensively we did a nice job of setting that tone right from the start, creating some easy opportunities and then the white group went in there and did a better job. They had an opportunity to practice a little bit and they looked like they had a little better rhythm. Be about business and just play the game and try to improve and I thought they did that. 

Fast break points...

Yeah, that came off of getting stops and running out. I liked the tempo, the movement that we're getting from this group. You've got to get stops and then you can run out and get some easy baskets.

Prepared for a road trip...

We'll see. We've only been out there one time. Now I think we'll play 4 games in 5 days. Some back-to-backs. We split the last road trip. This is another challenge for us. To be better on the road this year. It starts in Memphis and we take that game and, again, try to improve, get that game, and look to do better on the road this year.

Andre Miller and his influence on fast break points...

A lot. No question. A lot of that is he will look up, see the floor and I think he's one of the... he's creating some of that off the defense, coming up with steals and rebounding the ball. Then our guys are learning to bust out and he'll throw it ahead. He sees all of that. He sees the floor. He's delivering the ball.

Second unit...

I thought it was better with them tonight. When I went to that lineup in the San Antonio game, they practiced a little bit but we went over some plays yesterday for that group and what we were looking for. Better ball movement, more spacing, better spacing, with them, defensively I thought they did a nice job. Bayless getting up on the ball. Martell and Rudy, Travis and Joel, being aggressive on the wings, busting out and running again. I think they'll get better as they play together more.

Brandon with only 2 points...

I told him I like the fact that he did other things. He had 6 rebounds and he had 7 assists. These are things that those guys will have to learn to do. Where Greg and Miller and some of these other guys have some things going but don't take yourself out of the game by assuming that you can't do some other things. Later in that game we may need you to score. He kinda allowed the game to come to him and he did some other things. Which is what you need to do. Rebounds, he had the opportunity to distribute the ball. And he did that.

Do you expect to see more balanced scoring...

I think what you do is play the game, take advantage of what the defense gives you and tonight our post-ups were good. They were double-teaming, we were getting something off of that. They take away the post and the perimeter will open up. So I thought our guys did that and tonight they shared the ball, which was great. 35 assists. Everybody gets involved that way.

Aldridge's first half..

I thought he did a better job of getting deep. He's still learning to play against a double team. And they're learning to play off of Andre. He does a great job of moving and getting to the open spot when teams double team. Started to pick up on Andre, where he was at, where he will be and did a better job of attacking the basket, I'd like to see that more.

Line up

I like it. It's moving. You've got two guards out there that are moving and working. That combination is working together. I like the flow that we're playing with.

Dante's first mintues

He's worked hard. I told the guys, let's try to get everybody in this game. I thought that both groups went out there and played hard. Didn't play the scoreboard and stayed solid on the defense. Offensively, kept attacking. Which gave us an opportunity to sit some guys and allow some guys to play. Dante stepped right in and did well. Knocked down a couple of shots. Defensively, I thought he was in the right position. He's a young guy that can play.

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I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

so, yeah for a 3 guard line up?

Is it weird that Blake and Miller play well together? Anybody? I never would have thunk, but the last two games have been interesting…will it work against better teams? I mean, San Antonio is good, but not lately and Parker was out (although we were effective against him when he was in). I don’t know…I wonder how long it will take Roy to get irritated with playing SF…

"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"

by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I still think it will be only temporary...

Against better teams, we’ll have to put better perimeter D out there, meaning Webster. Will he fill for Dre or Blake? That’s the question. My guess is that it will be Miller that stays in the starting lineup and that this is a transitional lineup to get Miller in shape, comfortable with Roy (and vice versa), and get the focus on getting the bigs involved.

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 8, 2009 11:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that we're playing our best player out of position still blows my mind.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah why not bench him and play Martell in there?

No seriously. Oh, it’d be better to bench Blake? Well, ok if you twist my arm…

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Nov 9, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It is decent offensively

Defensively, the Blake/Miller/Roy lineup has some problems. The Spurs and the Wolves have not been able to exploit those problems, but what happens when we play LAL? Do we really want one of our PGs guarding Kobe or Artest?

by trk on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

actually

I remember Blake doing a good job on Kobe a while back. It isn’t as though Kobe is lightning quick, and he sure as hell isn’t 6’7" like he’s listed. He’s closer to Wade’s height than Melo’s.

Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash

by HurraKane212 on Nov 9, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Steve did the best job on K*be

back when the Blazers were winning 21 games and there weren’t any better defensive options. Blake is older now, probably not as athletic, and Bryant will be more of a problem for him

and don’t even get me started on Roy guarding Ron-Ron, we saw enough of that mismatch last April

the 3 guard lineup will work against some opponents during the regular season, but it shouldn’t be considered a long-term solution against playoff teams and definitely not a post-season starting lineup. For now, it’s good to see Miller is finally doing what he can do, getting the bigs involved in the offense, running the fast break, etc

Make no mistake, though, RAWMO is in Nate’s future

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can't be serious?

Blake is older now? Yep, 2 years is a world of difference. The guy has gotten so old and decrepit he can barely get out of bed without his joints creaking.

Guess it happens to us all. Two years ago you were posting sharp observations. But that was two years ago. Now you’re past your peak intellecually and are sliding down the dim path towards senility.

Ok, so you are not. But neither is Blake.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 9, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

FYI: we were winning 21 games 4 years ago (2005-2006)

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Attacking a secondary point while neglecting the main one

T4L was making. As clinchmobb pointed out, we won 21 games that year. Being the best option on the worst team in the league means nothing as far as being a viable option on a contender. Blake may have been the best option back then, but that hardly makes him Bruce Bowen just like Z-Bo being our best offensive player then hardly made him Tim Duncan.

Webster could barely buy cigarettes, Outlaw could barely buy alcohol, both have improved far more in the following 4 years than Blake has. Aside from Joel, everyone else on the team is different from back then. When you factor in that Kobe works far more from the post now, it seems like a no-brainer that pretty much any of our wings is a more effective defender on him right now than Blake is.

by Royster on Nov 9, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the problem I have with a lot of the comments.

They are no-brainers – in the literal sense.

If I’m going to evaluate something like how good Steve Blake is at defending Kobe Byrant, I am first going to want to see first hand evidence – i.e. Blake gaurding Kobe this year. Lacking that, I’m going to look at past evidence. The latter shows that, on occassion, Blake does ok to pretty well.

We see a lot of assumptions and what passes for “conventional wisdom” get thrown out in discussions here on BE. This is an example of that. Whether it is 2 years or 4 years, neither is a significant period of time for age to start having an impact (excepting maybe added experience) at the age Blake is at. Yet we see comments like this all the time – and not just about Blake.

As for the point about how long the three guard lineup lasts – I don’t really care. From I’ve decerned, NBA basketball inviles a fair amount of adjustment and the ability to change with circumstances. Since I’m not among the Nate bashers, I have pretty good confidence that McMillan will come up with adjustments that work. I’m also not among those who have cried about having too many players and the need to consolidate, nor am I one firmly wedded to beliefs like you can only win with an 8 man rotation.

What I do believe in is Portland has an exceptional collection of young talent combined with a coach that believes in playing the game the right way. It also has key players who appear to have bought into many of those concepts. The result I foresee is a team that eventually can play any type of tempo or match up against any type of opponent. Things like whether their best player gets 2 pts or 20 won’t matter. Or whether Blake – Miller – Roy start or we see a Miller – Roy – Webster rotation. Some nights Martell may get 30 minutes and Andre under 20. There could be nights that Bayless and Cunningham see double digit minutes and then maybe barely get off the bench the following game. It’s all good.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 9, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed...

…assumptions turn into wisdom… opinion to fact.

Less then a week ago the sky was falling and the world ending because Miller wasn’t starting… Now he’s starting and it’s going to end soon because Blake is starting and we’ve played very well 2 games in a row…

I’ve decided to just let it happen… I love this team and can’t wait to see em grow…

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Nov 9, 2009 5:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Royster pretty much answered this

Blake was Nate’s best option to guard Bryant, back in ‘05. Steve did pretty well in that matchup, as I recall (at least by how we were reckoning “good” Blazer perimeter defense, at the time) Do athletes lose some latteral quickness as they pass from their mid-20s to their late 20s? I think that’s likely, but I don’t have any stats or studies I could point you to.

The question is really this: is Blake the best option today that Nate has available to check Bryant? I don’t think so, regardless of how well Steve may have done in the past. I think McMillian would be creating several defensive mismatches if he started 3 guards against the L*kers. Blake vs. Bryant is just one of them

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I'll tackle this

1. The strength of the team back then is irrelevant. The only question is how well Blake defended Kobe.
2. Do athletes lose some quickness moving from mid-20s to later 20s? Not if they work hard on their fitness. Blake is in his physical prime right now.
3. If we assume Blake has slowed down (absent any evidence of that), why would we assume Kobe hasn’t? Seems like he’s a little older now, too.

Is Blake the best defender we have against Kobe? No one has tried to argue he is, so that’s an irrelevant question to the discussion. The question was whether we want one of our PGs guarding Kobe, and the response was that Blake has done a decent job on him in the past.

IF the current lineup is our most effective offensive lineup.

IF the current lineup continues effective.

IF the current lineup shows that quickness and court smarts and ball swarming and interfering with passing lanes compensates for lack of height at 1-3 on the defensive end.

IF Greg and LMA show that they can continue to compensate for lack of height at 1-3 by owning the boards and blocking shots.

THEN you can afford to go with a guy on Kobe who may not be your best defender for the position, but who has shown he can do an adequate job in defending him.

Color me skeptical. But the fact that Blake has done an adequate job on Kobe in the past makes me think that this could indeed work against the L@kers. The only matchup that really concerns me is Brandon on Artest, and ultimately, if LA decides they want to attack that matchup all night, I like Ron-Ron having the ball a lot more than some other guys on that team having the ball.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 9, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

wrt the first point

I think the issue was that anything remotely not awful was considered decent by our standards back then. The stats paint a much different story about Kobe’s performance against us that year.

He averaged 38.5 points on 49.5% shooting while shooting 10+ FTs a game in 4 games against us that year. Now, without game tape we can’t readily go back and say how much Blake was guarding him, but it leaves one of two conclusions.

Either Blake was guarding him the bulk of the time and was just lit up, or he wasn’t on him that much and we’re basing the premise that he can defend him decently on what a couple people remember of one or two possessions. Not a good sign either way.

by Royster on Nov 9, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only point of two4's I was challenging ...

… was his assertion that Steve Blake has lost significant athletic ability.

I’ve seen Blake have some good games defending Kobe and I’ve seen him lit up by Kobe. I certainly wouldn’t argue he’s Portland’s best option for guarding the guy or that he ever was. I also wouldn’t go spastic and call Nate a moron if he had Blake covering Kobe from time to time.

My only point is that fans here make comments that have no basis in fact. Granted this instance is a minor case of that. It was just one I didn’t want to go unchallenged. Blake gets slammed often enough as it is. The least we can do is not make absurd statements that down grade the guy. He deserves a lot more than that from us.

(And I realize two4 was not intentionally trying to slam Blake. But that is the effect of such statements.)

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 10, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's fine

My assumption is that athletes slow down a bit as they get older, but they can also “do more with less” based on their experience. You’re right, my intent wasn’t to disparage Blake, and I agree with Royster that the Artest matchup is the real concern. Neither Blake or Roy is going to have much success against K*be, but you can’t use Webster to defend Bryant now, if Artest is also in the game. I think L*A really wants to beat Portland up here (and in the playoffs for the next few years) and they saw how well Ron did against Brandon & co last April and targeted him in free agency.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 10, 2009 5:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Valid point

I wasn’t closely paying attention at the time. It wasn’t until we dumped Zach that I decided this had really become a team I wanted to follow again. So I don’t know.

I do know that multiple posters on Bedge commented when Blake came back that he’d done a pretty good job on Kobe. That was a lot closer to the time, and it was more than a couple of people. But I don’t know what they meant.

In any event, I don’t really expect this lineup to survive that long.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 10, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder where Nate was going with this regarding Andre Miller

and I think he’s one of the…

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 8, 2009 11:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Me too

I was expecting “he’s one of the … guys who actually looks up the floor and tries to reward guys for running.”

by Montavilla Steve on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

one of the BEST at looking up the floor and rewarding guys for running.

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 8, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i am just glad they all were in rhythym

it was the t-wolves, but this really the fist time the entire team seemed on the same page…there were a few plays where trout and web were standing on top of each other on the wing, but other than that they looked in sync throughout…good sign…they could have beat this team out of sync i know, but it was good to see some flow out there…

"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man

by PDXBuckeye on Nov 8, 2009 11:48 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Dwight Jaynes weighs in on the 3 guard line-up
– In the near term, given the team’s schedule, this move will look fine. I mean, we could start Ben Golliver at the off-guard tonight against Minnesota and be fine. And the schedule looks pretty easy over the next couple of weeks, all in all.

Nice!

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/the-new-trail-blazer-starting-lineup-is-ridiculous

"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)

by G_dubs on Nov 9, 2009 12:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't realize Ben was on the active roster

Good for you, Ben!

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 9, 2009 1:13 AM PST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

He's on the DL

Brain cramp.

"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave

by DonkeyShins on Nov 9, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sprained ego?

only kidding, Mr. Jamin…it’s one of my favorite malaprops

I would think that carpal tunnel is what Ben and Dave need to worry about, the most

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Good ol' boy Dwight

He reminds me of the joke “If a man says something in the wilderness and there’s no woman there to hear it, is he still wrong?”

I don’t think there’s anything that Nate has done from a coaching standpoint that Jaynes has thought was any good. (AK1984 is a McMillian honk, compared to Dwight!) I realize that Jaynes has been around since the days of Dr. Jack and used to “sit in” during full practices at the Jewish Community Center and rub elbows with Ramsay on road trips, but that doesn’t necessarily make him an expert on the NBA in the 21st century.

I don’t agree with everything that Nate has done (or is doing) either, but it’s hard to argue with his regular season results, thus far. If the 3-guard lineup extends into playoff action then Dwight and I will be singing from the same chorus sheet, but for now Jaynes just sounds like a whining old woman…but that’s what he does best, I suppose

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we should also trade Rudy

per Dwight

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jaynes and I are pretty close re: Rudy's situation

I think any long-time Blazer fan who remembers Drazen Petrovic can see the parallels. Ambitious and talented Euro shooting guard stuck behind an all-star SG. Fernandez has expressed the need to have a more significant role than it appears he will have the opportunity to realize in Portland. Rather than wait until this situation “blows up” and a trade demand is made from Rudy or his agent, it might be a good idea for the Blazers to inquire about trade opportunities. To me this makes sense. To others, there’s no problem with Roy playing out of position at SF to “make room” for Rudy in the starting lineup, or at least to guarantee him 25-30 minutes per game.

Will this “play out” like Petrovic’s situation did back in ’90? No one knows the answer to that question at this point, not even Jaynes

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy is more versatile than I remember Drazen being

 why react to a problem before there is a problem….just because you remember a problem way back in the past

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

did you read Rudy's comments to BT Smith?
“Right now, I don’t know my situation in the team,” said Fernandez, who dealt with back spasms during training camp and missed four preseason games. “Blake play in the 2 (guard) position. For sure (that) is one more player in that position. Right now, I’m focusing in my work and taking (care of) my back. And when I’m on the court, play hard to help my teammates.”

Fernandez, a native of Palma de Mallorca, Spain, added that he is losing money by playing in the NBA, rather than starring in his home country.

“For me, it’s wait my turn … and play hard,” Fernandez said. “It doesn’t matter if it’s five minutes, 10 minutes or 35.”

There has been “a problem” and it’s not getting any better…just because few people don’t want to discuss it doesn’t mean it’s not there

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He says right there that he is still having back problems

Plus Nate has said all along that this version of the line is good for maybe a couple of weeks at which time we will probably go back to a more conventional lineup ….besides he says "For me, it’s wait my turn … and play hard," Fernandez said. "It doesn’t matter if it’s five minutes, 10 minutes or 35." right there in your block quotes.

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2009 6:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If his back hurts, fewer minutes are a good thing

Like I wrote earlier, I think the way Rudy is used is more important to him than how much he’s being played (to a certain extent, obviously 5 mpg would not be acceptable!) There was a report about Rudy being very unhappy because all he was asked to do was “sit in the corner” in Portland’s offense and that he was nearly traded to Phoenix last winter (this came from a well-known source, inside the Blazer’s organization) There was a vote among the Blazer’s front office and they decided not to make the deal, and (I suppose) some concessions were made by the coaching staff to get Rudy “more involved” in the offense (handling the ball, making plays, etc) I think we’re starting to see that now, especially when Bayless comes in the game. If Rudy was put into the starting lineup he’d have a role like Batum—a spot up shooter, parked in the corner. That may seem like “the right thing to do” on paper, but it would quickly lead to Fernandez’ discontent, if those reports we’ve heard backchannel are true.

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

I was thinking more of him coming off the bench (Martell and Andre starting) and playing back up for most of the remaining guard mins and get enough mins and varied roles …and why would that not work just fine for him

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus the whole Drazen thing was aggravated by trading for Ainge

This totally cut Drazen’s PT to Bayless levels…..so he was unhappy and the Blazers traded him …then got screwed by Ainge 1.5 years later. If a 3 guard rotation can be figured out…Rudy should get plenty of mins in the next few years

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my memory could be fuzzy

but as I remember it Petro was dealt before Ainge was aquired, I don’t re call any “overlap” when they were both on the roster. Danny struggled with short minutes as well (TP and Clyde were getting 35+, especially in big games) but Ainge was a vet who wanted another ring, and Drazen was interested in becoming a starter and an all-star, something he gained in New Jersey

Rudy may be content being a 6th man and getting “underpaid” in the NBA for Portland. He seems to be saying the right things to the local press, but there have been rumblings behind the scenes (and to the Spanish media…) that he wants to play more and do more than he has done (so far) with the Blazers. I expect the situation will reach critical mass in 15-18 months, and it would be wise for KP to find a new home for Rudy before that time, like Petrie did for Petrovic back in ’90

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by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I checked it out online

Ainge was acquired during the offseason and then Drazen was dealt 18 games into the new season to NJ …that is if I read these things right

Ainge at 20+ mins a game

Petro

And who says that Rudy will be underpaid in Portland? He gets paid the same no matter which NBA team he is on. This is what I am talking about ….putting cart before the horse.

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

compared to what he would've made with CSKA

he’s grossly underpaid. Instead of 20 mil for 4 years in Russia (etc), he’ll be making less than 8 mil with Portland. Sure, it was his choice to come to the NBA and bcause he was drafted #24 the Blazers couldn’t have offered him more $, but put yourself in his shoes. How is he ever going to recoup that 12 mil? He has to play well, become popular and score some endorsement money. How is he going to do that coming off the bench in Portland? This is an unsolvable problem. Even if he’s traded he can’t re-negotiate his NBA salary until 2013, but if he’s moved to an east coast team (with a large Spanish demographic) he’ll have a better chance of raking in the endorsements.

RFS1970 and I have speculated that maybe Rudy has a “hush, hush” deal with Paul Allen that will provide him with “indirect” income. (Magic Johnson had a “personal services” contract with the Buss family that he signed back in the ‘80s that ran for 25 years, IIRC) I’m sure the league would frown on this, but Allen has those Vulcans (and probably some legal eagles) who can keep David Stern quiet as long as the money keeps flowing into the league’s coffers.

To his credit, Rudy has a humble way about him, and he’s not trying to make waves with the local media. But when he talks about Blake playing the 2 guard now, it reminds me of when he was quoted about being “concerned” about Hedo coming to Portland and how it would potentially affect his PT. Rudy can read the Blazer’s depth chart just as well as you and I, and just like with Outlaw, while it was “bad luck” for Batum that he needed surgery, it was a stroke of “good fortune” for Travis and Rudy, because “no Nic” means more potential minutes for #5 and #25. Except that more of those minutes are now going to Steve than anyone expected…

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by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Except that more of those minutes are now going to Steve than anyone expected…"

for 2 games (3 if the courtside guys can be believed) . I am fully in the camp that thinks this will just be transitory and Webster will be back into the starting lineup …and soon. Then I am thinking if Rudy gets his back feeling better and that shot to start dropping …he will get plenty of mins. He and Blake should work as well together as Blake and Brandon did plus he will be with with Dre and Roy a lot at the end of a lot of games.
BTW …if the Blazers start winning as many games as we think they will ….he will be the rock star he is already becoming in PDX…the playoffs will do that for you

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The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 9, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Roy-Rudy backcourt

we really haven’t seen that combo too much, usually there has been a PG in the game along with them, either Blake or Sergio last year. Now that Miller’s here I don’t expect Rudy to play the “swing” guard in a 3 guard rotation. I don’t think he’s got the handles to play PG against a tough defensive team, and say what you will about Blake, but Brandon is more comfortable with Steve in the backcourt than anyone

Rudy is a rock star in Portland, no doubt. But he’s still in a small market and it’s a tough economy. He left a lot of money on the table when he chose to come to the NBA and I’m wondering if he’s starting to have any regrets. I’d sure like to hear him talking more about the Blazers working towards winning a championship instead of who’s playing what position for how long. I’m not sure if Rudy’s personal goals will continue to mesh with Nate’s idea of “sacrifice” and Brandon’s desire for a ring. We’ll see

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by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Flagged for misogyny. :(

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Nov 9, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

It was good to see The Inferno get some burn tonight!

He torched the nets on his 3-4 shooting! Way to go Dante!

(and yes, puns intended)

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 9, 2009 1:14 AM PST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Want to get free tickets to a Timberwolves game against the Jazz? Buy $10 worth of dairy products

http://www.nba.com/timberwolves/promotions/get_in_the_game_0910.html

Oh how the times have changed. Someone remarked in the game day threads that for the Blazers “deal of the game” lexus club offer, you could have gotten 2 tickets and not just 1 a year or two ago.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 9, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Martell?

How’s martells foot?

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 8:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with DJ

this 3 guard line up will be okay for the next couple of games, but once we starting playing teams with good 2-guards or small forwards, there is no way it will work. Nate just needs to give in and start Miller over Blake, at this point it is basically Blake vs Webster and for defensive purposes, (which is what Nate has been preaching all preseason) you want Web in the game.

As for Roy, I think he just needs some time to find how he can get his touches in this type of game. Bring Roy off some down screens for jump shots, or drives if the defenders over commit, and other half-court sets because you can’t run for the whole game. I have no worries about Roy, he will still get his and he will still be the heart of this team in the 4th.

by usmcr3049 on Nov 9, 2009 8:53 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I think the team out grew the iso roy, and now is waiting for roy to evolve into the next level...

it’s a little deeper than that but I suck at thought to word translation.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.

"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."

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by faith on Nov 9, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you're in the ballpark

The Rockets shut Brandon’s ISOs down pretty well last April. KP and Nate knew they needed another ball-handling (and scoring) option and they targeted Hedo. When that didn’t work out they turned to Andre.

Roy will “make the adjustment” to Miller for the good of the team, that’s the kind of guy he is. Dre is on board to make things easier for all of the Blazers, they just need to get used to his style and they’ll start making more lay-ins and dunks instead of having to force up contested jumpers with the shot clock winding down

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by two4larue on Nov 9, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If it works that way, great

I saw way too many jumpers from Miller, last night

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 9, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

woohoo

got his field goal percentage all the way up to 37%, good for dead last on the team

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 9, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he is also dead last in adjusted field goal percentage, by a huge margin

I like Miller taking shots in the paint. Anywhere outside the paint and he is hurting the team.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 9, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is irrelevant

You said he took too many jumpers on a game he was 9-14. The fact that he’s had a bad start to the season has no relation to whether he took too many jumpers in that game.

Historically, Andre has been a 46% shooter, which is pretty decent. He took open jumpers in the flow of the game, and within his range and comfort level, and made them. There was nothing wrong with his shot selection in that game.

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by jscot on Nov 9, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if I were Kurt Rambus I'd say...

I saw way too many WIDE OPEN jumpers from Miller, last night
keep shooting Andre!

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by clinchmobb on Nov 9, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why it block quoted that second part...

"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman

by clinchmobb on Nov 9, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is going to have to take those shots ...

… if that’s what the defense is giving him.

That’s smarter basketball than trying to force something that isn’t there.

Now, if Miller is missing those shots, Nate has solutions. Namely bringing someone else – one of the advantages of having a deep roster.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 9, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be happy if Miller was making them

but against the Wolves, I think we saw more from Miller’s outside game than we will see against tougher opponents.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 9, 2009 3:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if that's true

I think we’re going to see a lot of open jumpers for Andre, because you have to double Greg if he has it down low, you can’t leave Steve (or Rudy, or Martell) if he’s knocking down 3s, you have to help on Brandon if he has the ball. Andre is likely to get left open a lot.

As long as he doesn’t try to become a 3 point bomber and simply takes the open mid-range jumper, he’ll be very effective.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 9, 2009 11:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if he's wwwwwwiiiide open

he can shooot til his heart is content.

or till he’s had his fill w/e

but only if hes wiiiiiide open.

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by faith on Nov 10, 2009 7:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs


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