Gameday Open Thread: 'Wolves vs. Blazers--Post Game Edition
by Dave on Nov 8, 2009 8:15 PM PST
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Ruminate over the results from tonight's contest here. A recap and the Media Row Report will be along soon.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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First?
Good win
Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star
by roynfernandez on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
INFERNO!!
"oh dear god. Please be more irresponsible". - Claire
by idoltime on Nov 8, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice timing idol!
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Gdubs!
Nate made me very happy tonight by giving Inferno some burn!
"oh dear god. Please be more irresponsible". - Claire
by idoltime on Nov 8, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool :-)
Looks like it was a fun game. I’ll watch it when I get home from work.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a decent win.
Against a team that isn’t really playing yet.
The thing I was really happy to see was the emerging hope for a rock solid Miller-Oden tandem to take a lot of pressure off of LA and Roy in the playoffs.
"oh dear god. Please be more irresponsible". - Claire
by idoltime on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What a nice win.
Everything went pretty well.
by brioe162 on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good victory
Over a top notch d league team
by jstamp26 on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
A win is a win...
in the end they all count.
by brioe162 on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
SWEET!!
COMCAST SUCKS!!
"Let's win the playoffs!!!!!"- Rudy Fernandez
by shamman on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Missed the video (radio only)
Did we look that good, or did they look that bad?
tbd
by Diggidy on Nov 8, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
both
COMCAST SUCKS!!
"Let's win the playoffs!!!!!"- Rudy Fernandez
by shamman on Nov 8, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We had some sweet plays
Rudy had a pass between Jawai’s legs to Thrila for the jam late that was awesome.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who expected Roy to be the lowest scorer on the playing roster
by jmark on Nov 8, 2009 8:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or to have more rebounds than Oden
Not me.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Starting Lineup
Roy out. Dante in……hahaha
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn
by MojoMan on Nov 8, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
From the looks of it, this is nothing more than a solid win over a god-awful, piss-poor ballclub.
As I said before this season, the Minnesota T’wolves are so abysmal that a paltry 10-win season isn’t out of the question.
Anyway, regarding the Portland Trail Blazers, it’s nice to see somebody other than Greg Oden lead the team in fouls — for this case it was Jerryd Bayless, who in spite of having a decent game is still way too overaggressive at perimeter defense — as well as the team play well as a unit.
Yeah, Brandon Roy had a bad game. That, however, is fine against inferior opponents if everyone else picks up the slack. Yet, I’m afraid that Roy being non-existent would = bad times against more challenging competition.
In any event, a win is a win. I told myself that after the Seattle Seahawks defeated the Detroit Lions earlier today, so that also goes for this expected victory by the Trail Blazers over a squadron of scrubs in the Timberpuppies.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 8, 2009 8:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why drive the 84 mil model when the 4 mil one will get you there?
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn
by MojoMan on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not about the opponent, it's about the execution.
This team did exactly what it was supposed to. Destroy a bad team with solid play. I’d much rather see this, than them squeak out a win. this was a step int he right direction.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 8, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree that Bayless was overaggressive on D
Foul on Pavlovic and Gomes (I think) were entirely un-necessary but other than that he had a great game. 12/4 with no turnovers, over 50% shooting and 4/5 from the line in 18 minutes is fantastic.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like Oden, he needs to learn how to play D without the fouls
Bayless seems like he was born a decade too late. In the pre-handcheck era he would have been a great physical defensive point guard. Today you just can’t put your hands on them. Now to be good defenders pgs have to have quick feet and steer the guy where you want him to go. The days of physical shutdown defense are gone.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 8, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's a lot easier to teach control on "D" than to teach agressiveness on "D"
Bayless is starting in a good spot, on that side of the ball. I think it was patently obvious that Bayless has all the necessary skills to be the best point guard on this team.
He dribbled, he passed, he shot, he defended.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
This season, Bayless will see at most 15-20 minutes, and only on nights like this. The offense was great, and NBA refs are craptastic. If he can brand himself as an aggressive defender, I wouldn’t be surprised if he started to see more leash from the men (and the Palmer) in stripes
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No mention of the inside out offense?
Blazers basically dumped the ball into the post. Oden or LMA were looking for cutters, drawing double teams, and drawing fouls.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That pass from GO to a diving Miller was a thing of beauty
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WEE, that was fun
35 assists on 41 makes.
And the pass from Rudy through Jawai’s legs was so awesome.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The most complete game to date...
LA said it perfectly in the his post game interview. “People are starting to figure out their roles.” Yes, Minnesota is a bad team, and we did exactly what we are supposed to do…dominate them.
I’m really curious to see how this plays out. Most people are screaming about this three guard line-up. Maybe this is just the innovative twist we can use to put us over the top. If Oden becomes the dominate force he starting to look like, you just need your perimeter players to make the effort of defense. This defense will be predicated on playing the passing lanes and movement on the perimeter, with Oden and Aldridge (10 boards tonight) manning the paint. Two different post players with Yin-Yang skill-sets. Two different guards with Yin-Yang skill-sets, and a guard who is bordering on superstardom.
Rudy, Outlaw, Bayless, and Martell will learn to play well together. Pryz is a beast on the boards. The line-ups are starting to take shape.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
If Roy's role is to lead the team in assists and take 6 shots to Miller's 14
then these roles are bassackwards
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will go out on a limb
and say this starting lineup does not make it through the end of the season…unless Rudy gets some bad a** minutes off the bench, and that didn’t happen tonight.
Management will send a message down to Nate to knock it off
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will go out on a limb
and say if we keep winning with this lineup, Nate will tell whomever to shut the hell up.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
could be....
just my prediction
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and I agree that Rudy needs time
but wins are wins. “If it ain’t broke…”
I do love watching Rudy play though
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This line-up is awesome
You have to like how it creates ball movement and quick tempo early in games.
My favorite feature of this starting line is that it gets minutes for Bayless.
2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!
by RastaMonsta on Nov 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice to get the first blowout of the year
Love the uptempo play. Fun win; hopefully more blowouts to come soon.
by WakeUpOden on Nov 8, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rudy seemed fine
Not being the main scorer and just a jack up shooter, like to see that.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Question is: Did Nate like it?
Enough to keep it going?
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn
by MojoMan on Nov 8, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if this is the worst team in the NBA
And they might be. A blowout like this is still very fun.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
the 'might be' part is starting to look less necessary
Kings, Bucks, Thunder are all better. Guess there is NY and NJ to consider…..over/under 35 wins total between the Knicks and Nets this season?
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nets definitely not
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
by bowdown on Nov 8, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that for the over/under
I mean’t combined between the two of them. Maybe 40 would be a better line. I’m taking over on 35, under on 40
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Kings are playing like they dont belong in this discussion
by southern oregon on Nov 8, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Without their top scorer too
They could not finish in last place this year.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Evans the front runner for ROY
by southern oregon on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He shouldn't be at this point
A couple good performances in a row but has been unimpressive before that.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a great game to watch.
I love the tempo, I hope we see a lot more in the future. I still hope Nate realizes sooner than later that Blake can be replaced by Rudy, Martell, or even Trav and we would be killing it. My votes for Rudy though!
Miller to Oden FTW!
by j-blaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Or that we can deal Travis while he's playing well and replace him with Dante
(just kidding)
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he uses one of the first two you mentioned
I think this is potentially a championship team if GO can play the way he did tonight. I’ll go that far
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah its weird
The stats would say this was an average game but Greg showed just as much tonight as he did against the Spurs
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
right sentiment, wrong player
Miller is the most replaceable guy in the lineup (especially with Fernandez)
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dante 3/4 tonight
WELCOME TO THE NBA!
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dunking?
MB said among the best he’s ever seen (a close quote I think)
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn
by MojoMan on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Reality check
Is there anything that Miller is doing that Fernandez can’t do better?
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blake, I agree with that statement
Miller? Rudy can’t do what Miller does.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what did Miller do?
3 assists
4 turnovers
and a lottery winning night at the 3-point line
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, he played a great, great game tonight. He had the team in a really good flow and was the catalyst for the fastbreak.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
let’s ignore the fact that he scored 21 on 14 shots with 2 steals, why don’t we…
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fool's gold
its how the roles played out that have me concerned….
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it was one game
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fool’s gold?
So you are concerned with us becoming a fast break team?
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
loved us being a fast break team
I dispute cause and effect
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we have seen over two seasons of Blake/Roy and they’ve never run like tonight. So it might not be faulty analysis to say that adding a great fast break point guard might be the reason for suddenly running more.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake can never ever be a PG on a team that pushes the tempo.
Neither can Rudy.
Rudy can be the SG/wing, but he is not a stellar playmaker— he is a stellar passer. Since he can’t break down a defense with the ball in his hands, he can’t do what Miller or Roy does.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he can, however do things no one else does
like actually get a cutting Prz the ball in position for a layup (between the legs, no less).
Rudy makes plays with his passing game. He did it driving into the middle. He did it driving the baseline off a bounce from Bayless. He does it from the perimeter. He does it off the fast break.
What Fernandez does not do well is take his man one on one off the dribble, draw contact, and score the basket. That is a skill shared by Roy, Miller and Bayless.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why ya put him in for Rudy
Miller is great at hitting cutters as well, and Rudy is great at cutting.
It just makes so much sense.
Seriously, you just described why I think Rudy should be in for Blake. Can hit the same amount of 3’s, and do a lot more passing the ball and moving off of the ball.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly why ya put him in for BLAKE
Rudy for BLAKE. Typo in my subject.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as Blake is playing SG
Rudy just gives us a lot more… and we WANT more minutes for Rudy… and if Roy is fine playing SF, then whammo… play Rudy Dudy Doo.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy/Roy/Miller
Is a trio that can shoot, and MURDER teams with their unselfish passing.
And Rudy and Miller know how to pass to a big, and really enjoy it. And Roy can do what Roy does, and kick it out to Rudy or for the mid-range shot with Miller.
More goodness all the time!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is the optimal lineup
if Nate is committed to the 3 guard rotation. I’m still worried about teams with big SFs, but Nate has been running more matchup zone, and Oden is developing into an eraser in the paint
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Since it can't work against everyone
It isn’t a long term lineup, and I don’t like it for that fact in general. I want us to work on what will work in the playoffs and get our main players set and comfortable with each other.
This will work great against bad teams and teams without good wing players.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martell could start
Blake and Rudy could each get around 20 mpg. I’d like to see us equalize those two (Rudy and Blake) in terms of minutes, unless Rudy’s back is hurting, he brings a ton to this team, and more than Blake at the 2
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's my thang too
As long as Blake is being the off guard next to Roy and Miller (both the real playmakers), it makes sense for Rudy to be out there.
Nate has his reasons though, and I do trust Nate. He really dwells and thinks about this stuff and has real reasons for it. Right now, without knowing more about Rudy’s health or whatever else is going on, it seems like Rudy would be a no-brainer for Blake, but I trust Nate.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The results don't lie
Hopefully Nate keeps pressing the right buttons
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
a second point we disagree on
trust in Nate.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has his reasons for his decisions
And has historically often been right.
Aside from Miller, what else do you dispute him on? If it’s just rotation stuff, that isn’t all coaching is.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And it ain't like I, watching from home, agree with what Nate does every time
Take this easy win for example— I want more Rudy over Blake, and I wanted Oden in as much as possible to keep developing his offensive game. Get more confidence by having a big night statistically.
Nate treats him like any other starter and sits him in a blow out… when he isn’t like any other starter. He is a raw, developing big man. One who needs as many minutes as possible, since he hasn’t been getting very many minutes due to foul trouble.
The one game he stays out of foul trouble, and it’s a dang blowout so he STILL doesn’t play! ;-) winking smile
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But I know Nate has his reasons
And he’s a very smart guy who is very good with his players.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See?
I read more into the motives than you do. I don’t see trust FROM Nate in a lot of his players – and too much trust in others.
Fortunately, he has enough good players to win, most of the time.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Like with the “Miller is trying to take over the team” stuff, you’re making it out to be much more dramatic and agenda driven than it really is with this team.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Nate trusts some too much as well
He is human. Everybody does that.
I think he trusts Blake and Outlaw too much.
He isn’t perfect, but too many make it out like he flails and just makes decisions randomly.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be happy to be wrong
and will take my lashes in silence, if so.
But the ramifications of me being right are:
Miller and Roy never learn to play nice (or at best, pretend to and it gets exposed at playoff time)
Young players like Webster, Bayless, Rudy and Oden develop far slower than they need to…
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is standing in
Webster, Bayless, Rudy, or Oden’s way it is Blake.
His inability to pass into the big men. Him playing SG, pushing Roy to SF, which hurts Martell. Him playing SG over Rudy.
The one person him playing SG helps is Bayless, since now Bayless gets minutes.
You’re expecting for the team to become totally selfish to be right. I don’t see that happening. Plus you see Roy not being the man guy. That isn’t very likely to happen in the next 8 years or so.
Having a guy who can pass, get to the line, and penetrate and create is much better than a guy who mainly just shoots. Always.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For my own personal ego
I could care less if Miller works out.
For the team, I think he will, and I hope he does, because he has more talent than any PG we’ve had in a decade.
I just want us to win and do what is best to go deep in the playoffs, and develop Oden.
Developing Oden is the most important thing to me.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rather
my point is that the conflict between Roy and Miller is going to hurt the team.
It is also my point that Miller’s contributions are overrated and eminently replaceable, in consideration of the conflict between Roy and Miller.
I’ve stated that Miller and Roy need to get it worked out – but they haven’t yet. I’m all for it.
I’ll even stand down on the Rudy vs. Miller point, if Miller vs. Roy gets resolved.
The team doesn’t have to “get selfish” to prove me right. The conflict is real.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The conflict is overblown
Getting used to a new teammate doesn’t equal drama.
THAT is what I mean by overdramatizing the issue.
We do not have ANYONE who does what Miller does, and we haven’t had anyone who does what he does as a PG in a very long time. I don’t get it when you say that.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
before tonight
my objections to the way the Blazers get the bigs involved had a lot more teeth.
I’ve never liked isolation posts unless it was a big matchup advantage. I love big men floating in space or cutting to the basket. If Nate gets credit for that, I’ll bite.
Otherwise, yeah. Rotations bug me – especially with the wings and Oden’s foul management. Oh – and the way the team has historically defended the pick and roll and lack of pace in the offense.
I’m not prone to putting those issues on the players.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I worried about how we didn't get the bigs involved enough either
But had faith that the coaches saw the same thing, and were working to rectify it.
Tonight, they looked like the lesson was learned. We ran, AND went inside first almost every halfcourt set. That was great to see.
Until Nate can trust Oden with fouls, he will limit his minutes when he has foul trouble. He does it the way every coach in the NBA does it.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're Blake's Dad, aren't you
We’ve heard about you
by TheThinWhiteDuke on Nov 8, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
layups are NEVER fool's gold
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fool’s gold = giving the Spurs open threes and them missing.
layups = gold.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
rec
oh and I loves dem gold stars!
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you the bad angel on Nate's shoulder?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just can't disagree more
The game I saw had a lot to do with Miller running the team. His assist total does not show all he did out there. He quarterbacked this thing. Don’t forget about his post feeds to Oden that he doesn’t get assists on.
by Dunemonkey on Nov 8, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of those turnovers
Were the fault of the targets, they were good passes mishandled by the receiver.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chart It!!!
maybe it was the wrong pass to the wrong guy…
Regardless, Roy taking a back seat to Miller is ludicrous
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy took a backseat to the team.
It was one game, Roy has been scoring all year. This whole long year.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
I think this is exactly what Miller wants and Roy was afraid of
I’m just saying that there is nothing Miller is doing that makes him special. Roy did all the things Miller was supposed to do – find ways to get his teammates involved – even Miller
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are making Miller out to be an evil villain
“This is exactly what Miller wants and Roy was afraid of”…
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty soon he'll have B Roy Jr
asking for a name change to Andre. Seriously, I think this is Steve Blake on an I-Phone, because Roy and Andre are starting to figure out how to work together
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bruh, bruh…
Miller is a Blazer. Roy is a Blazer. Both pass a lot. Both can pass a lot while together on the floor. How is this bad?
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because Miller can't shoot
loved Roy passing more.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we realize that they are both Blazers, yes?
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller has a good mid-range shot
Relying on 3’s isn’t always the best thing.
Being able to break down a defense works every game. So does good passing.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't a 76'ers fan, are you?
Miller does plenty of special things. He’s the best lob passer in the league, that’s pretty special. He’s currently the most durable player in the league, I think that’s pretty special. He got to the line at a higher rate than any of our guards last season, I think that’s pretty special.
He basically coached the Nuggets when George Karl first came to Denver. Brandon Roy may be the leader in the locker room, but Miler should be the leader on the court. He is so head and shoulders above anyone else on that team in terms of running a team. Roy has talent up the wazzo, but he’s NOT at Miller’s level when it comes to dictating pace and running plays.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 8, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd let Roy take a backseat every game
if it means we win by 23 points.
Relax, it’s Minny. This doesn’t happen against halfway decent team.
by xedubx on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, so far no mutiny from Roy, if you take him at his word anyway
It was Roy’s lowest output since Nov. 10, 2006, when he failed to score in seven minutes against New Orleans. Roy didn’t see his lack of scoring as a negative.
“Guys were making plays and I didn’t need to score,” he said.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=291108022
also if you read Nate’s post game comments, he sure seems to be liking what Miller is bringing to the table…just sayin’…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You think Rudy can dribble and penetrate like Miller?
Rudy is a great passer and usually a great shooter, but he can’t create like Miller. get to the line like him.
Totally different players.
Blake is the comparison you’re looking for. Blake waiting for a kick out… Rudy can do that. Blake can’t pass like Rudy. We aren’t asking Blake to do much dribbling, so Rudy won’t be exposed there.
Rudy would fit so much better, if healthy… unless Blake is being the PG.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Thank you again.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is a stellar playmaker
it is definitely not all about creating off the dribble – which Rudy can do as well
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just disagree with your analysis
But I’ll defend with my life your right to analyze.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm disputing the effectiveness of Miller
and the role he plays on this team. One good game against the Wolves does not erase 7 games of futility to date. Plus, that good game came at Roy’s expense.
The fact that Miller got 14 shots to Roy’s 6 bodes ill for the future….
I want to see Miller racking up assists and shooting layups. I do not want to see Miller dominating the ball, turning it over, shooting low percentage J’s and looking to be the first scoring option
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And one game of Roy not being featured exclusively.
Doesn’t mean much either.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller absolutely did not...
dominate the ball… He moved it…well
by Ilikeemall on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
measured by his bad shots, few assists and high turnovers?
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is that your most intelligent question?
see how those work? not good…
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, even though we disagree, we shouldn't be rude
Miller made many good passes and really opened the floor up. We had so many easy buckets because of him.
He didn’t shoot many bad shots, and normally is a 45+% shooter.
He is very talented and had his first impactful game for us. It’s a good thing. Roy and him are both unselfish, all-round players… that is a good thing.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Miller was impactful in the Spurs game as well
Tonight was just an extension of that. Plus Miller finally broke out of his shooting slump.
Look at the guy’s career: he’s a high percentage shooter and something like 5th among active players in assists, with pretty low turnovers for a high assist guy.
Miller and Roy will go together like bread & butter. These things take time; you have to be patient—just as Miller & Roy themselves are.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
See? We both agree.
He has the same TO/A percentage as the very careful Blake, but with a gazillion more assists and trips to the line.
Two good unselfish players who create for others and themselves just might work!!!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It ain't rocket science, is it?
Sometimes you don’t get an instant payoff when you put players together. That’s supposed to be part of the fun of it: watching them gradually fall in love with playing together. We saw the beginnings of that in the Spurs game, and a bigger dose tonight.
But some folks around here want it all right now, and if they don’t see it in all its glory, they’re convinced it ain’t there and never will be. Odd.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has different reasons for not liking it
Some are attached to different players, some are impatient…
Like with all things, only time will tell.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm attached to certain players
But I’m way more attached to easy points leading to easy wins—the kind that allow a team to emerge from the 82-game regular season grind with gas left in the tank.
When even the negatively affected PLAYERS are all smiles, it’s just bizarre to me that fans aren’t happy. Maybe “fan” really does stand for “fanatic.” Just saying…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not saying this applies to ANYONE in here, honestly
I am only saying it in general with some fans… but some fans would rather be right than have the team be successful. They attach their ego to a certain player, a style of play, a rotation, what-have-you… and their desire to be “right” about their POV clouds their judgment.
We’ve seen it plenty of times over the years with our various divisive debates at BE.
They’d want the team to fail so they can say ’Ah HA, I toldja!"
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There is a certain sense of entitlement amongst some Blazer fans right now. And the moment things don’t go as planned, it’s find someone to blame. Enjoy the process of how everything plays out over the course of a 82 game season.
I guess I shouldn’t be so surprised because people freaked out when the team lost their opener in LA last year. And the season before that, fans were freaking out right before they started that 11 game winning streak. But this year seems a little more pronounced.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 8, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The higher expectations have made some people nutty
And SUPER impatient.
Too many don’t seem to enjoy the awesome growth of the team over the last year, and how much better we stand to get. I mean, just watching Oden grow is enough to be happy and dream about, and we got more than just Oden.
That was an awful loss to LA though. Ooph. Couldn’t ask for a worse scenario, even though I urged everyone to not worry. But Oden went down, blown out on national TV to the hated Lakers… ooph.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Expectations are one thing but this recent fan behavior is something different. Or maybe it’s just a lot more of the same kind of behavior that really irked me from last year.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 9, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am the biggest Roy / Blake homer in the world...
if I could say Miller dominated the ball… and it may hurt us…. I would. But tonight he played well, moved the ball and controlled the game. He was good!
by Ilikeemall on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am fine if you dispute the effectiveness of Miller
I just don’t agree at all, and see it way different.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm on record with my position
but I’ll be the first to admit I’m wrong if they get it all figured out. Color me skeptical.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's cool
I personally think you’re misreading the scenario, but only time will tell.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the discussion certainly struck a nerve
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think you struck a nerve at all
I think 98% of everybody here disagrees with you
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
and all 98% responded.
Time will tell if I’m wrong, or not.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you blacknoise
But I get tired off fighting off the Blazers Edge Blake guillotine. It’s 200 comments a night, I swear.
by blazingjim on Nov 8, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or it may have struck
the Dubya Tee Eff bone
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Since when can Rudy create off the dribble?
Yikes.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And it's because Rudy can't dribble or penetrate well
Awesome passer though.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
true
Miller does get into the paint well – but with Miller not in there – Roy does that
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do we really only want one player capable of getting in the paint?
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If we have two
They’ll run into each other all the time when they both slash simultaneously.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have more than one player to get into the paint
But with Miller “taking over”
Bad times ahead
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
faulty analysis and errant conclusion FTW
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller "taking over" isn't terrible
it’s what a PG does. Just because Blake has never taken over in his life, doesn’t mean a PG “taking over” is bad. It’s results that matter, not who gets it there.
If we get these results all the time, Miller can “take over” as much as he wants. If not, he won’t get to, easy as that.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My point is that Miller taking over will hurt Roy's game
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and help the team game.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But will it?
This was one game, and Roy took a backseat all game long. While shooting 1 for 6.
This is Roy team, some games other players have good games and we still win. It isn’t a bad thing.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My concern is that Miller is Roy, but not as good
Nothing I have seen so far disputes that. Miller wants control – but I’m not sure he is up to it. From a pure performance perspective – everything he does is eminently replaceable, and I like what Fernandez can do, better
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller is one of the 10 best PGs of the last decade
He’s not in his prime anymore, but he’s still an excellent push the tempo, run the team, pass first PG who also gives you some scoring ability.
You are badly underrating Miller here.
by jksnake99 on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's also very unselfish
He attacked very intelligently tonight. That is what ya want!!!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but we already have an All Star that does it better
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you are making this into a dichotomy: Miller or Blake.
The fun part of this is that we get to have BOTH!
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller or Roy ya mean?
I WISH this was a Miller or Blake debate. That would make some sense.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
how so?
Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili? Rajon Rondo and Paul Pierce?
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
is he pass first?
Are you saying that we need to wait for Miller to figure this all out before we pass judgment?
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is one of the most pass first PGs around.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
14 shots to Roy's 6
terrible shooting until tonight. More often then not takes shots he shouldn’t. He took a three, shot J’s. Nasty stuff.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There have been a lot of games where a lot of players shot more than Roy and we won
Roy does that sometimes when others got it going and we’re winning.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It seems like you're taking one game and making it like this is what every game will be like
And seem to ignore Miller’s entire history as an unselfish, pass first, very good PG.
AND THAT IS FINE, I just don’t agree or see where you are coming from.
Blake is the one to move out of that lineup, for Rudy.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
definitely not using one game, here
we now have 8 games. One good game against the Wolves definitely doesn’t change anything.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One good game against the Wolves definitely doesn’t change anything.
Yup! So why worry that Roy— our maxed out superstar— will get shut out of the offense by the evil genius Andre Miller?
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Miller + Roy is going to work
they are going to have to figure out how to reverse the roles.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't they both give ground?
you don’t give Roy a lot of credit, IMO.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
eh? I give Roy a lot more credit than Miller
hence the post
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He led the league in alley-oop passes in Denver and Philly
So yeah, he is pass first, drive second, shoot third.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not so far, with the Blazers
I think we are seeing a fight for control of the team
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think Roy is so weak and immature?
And Miller so selfish?
Both just wanna win and will do what it takes to do so.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I do think Miller is that selfish
Unfortunately, we have evidence of such. Roy, for the record, said Miller should come of the bench. Miller has fought coming off the bench – saying (on the record) that it is a lack of respect for his accomplishments.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're reading
way too much into things
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is
lack of respect for his accomplishments
by lickety brindle on Nov 8, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if this isn't MARIS
this is his doppleganger.
Fo Sho
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're not basing all of this on that one point
I can’t see how you can come to such an (evidently) concrete opinion of Miller based on 8 games in a brand new season.
by MDBlazerfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
funny, i thought this was a major issue
discussed ad nauseum. But, we certainly have enough direct quotes and game stats to suppot those quotes to say that all is not well, after 8 games.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All is not well
But all looked better the last 2 games, like we hoped.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're completely missing my point
To say that all is not well after 8 games is ridiculous. Just as it would be ridiculous to say that everything is perfect, even if they were 8-0 after 8 games. There’s just too much basketball left to be played to be making any firm opinions now.
by MDBlazerfan on Nov 8, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand why you think Rudy can do what Miller does
Rudy and Blake and Roy means only one playmaker and a lot of perimeter based shooting and passing.
Now, ya take BLAKE out of the starting lineup, and you got sumthin’ sweeter than YooHoo.
Rudy’s dynamic passing but lack of dribbling doesn’t matter when ya got Roy and Miller, Roy and Miller both have another great shooter to kick out to, etc.
Rudy is a better SG than Blake. And Rudy is NOT a pg at all.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is an All Star...
and a stud… He’ll find ways to contribute and be the Natural… He’s still going to grow and get better.
by Ilikeemall on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
are you saying that roy>team?
bayless leaves over my dead body
thanks for starting Andre
by thomasikehara on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so, easy points bad.
halfcourt sets good?
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller gets no special kudo's for tonight
it was a team game, but Miller’s role on this team is skewed
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How many times was it Miller sitting in space waiting for a pass
from Roy? Or Miller taking J’s near the end of the jumpshot?
If you think this is progress in the “easy basket” and good half court set perspective, I think you are mistaken.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We actually played out of the post with Oden and Aldridge, with Roy and Miller catching it after the post double and driving into the lane to playmake. I thought it worked great.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wait... OMG
Is this MARIS from the s2 board?
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
disagree with me all you want
no need to get personal
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I KNEW IT
lol, pwned.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oooooo
so I can do more research….
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude's a Sergio homer
so hard he sweats in spanish. HATES Nate, HATES him.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Guessed that
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
Roy had an off shooting night tonight. He passed great. He and Miller work well together
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really searching...
for something to worry about…This display is exactly what was hoped for by Andre… Roy will get his.
by Ilikeemall on Nov 8, 2009 8:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really searching for something to be excited about?
it was the WOLVES!!! This is the definition of a false positive
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They played well...
and showed much improvement… I don’t care who it was those were professional athletes they dominated
by Ilikeemall on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any thing Blake is doing that Rudy can't do better?
by southern oregon on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Other than dribble in circles at the top of the key
no
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Though I think Rudy should be starting
Blake can bring the ball upcourt better than Rudy.
by boppitywop on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Drawing fouls, bringing the ball up the court under pressure, throwing decent lob passes (Rudy had two bad one resulting in TO's))
hit mid-range jumpers, be a vocal team-leader type guy on both ends (Rudy’s english hamstrings him here), feed the bigs.
That enough
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
two words
Trade Roy
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can get Foye for him
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be silly
Take Zbo and be happy you got out from under his monster long-term deal.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
zrec? or not yet?
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear iverson is available
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you can find him
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Nov 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's a Rec center near you
making it rain all day against wannabe gym rats…but the way they tell it is they dunked on him all day long…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope this just shows everybody how much we overrated Andre Miller.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
OT, Cowboys win, dang it
I’d use more aggressive words but Dave wouldn’t like ti very much.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dave, please disregard the body of this comment
(expletive laced diatribe)
"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"
-Ron Artest
by premthegrem on Nov 8, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Roy is going to take the hammer to Memphis
Show Stat Bo that he is a much better player now than Zach ever was.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hence the nickname "Stat Bo"
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Toilet paper
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Nov 8, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Deepest team in the league?
Or are we going to reserve judgment still??
I say we are up there though
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
by Bump22 on Nov 8, 2009 8:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I want to believe we are deeper than Orlando though
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
by Bump22 on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We aren't. In Orlando, Brandon Bass and Marcin Gortat get next to no playing time
In Portland, Juwan Howard, Dante Cunningham and Jeff Pendergraph get next to no playing time.
Also Redick has proven he belongs in the NBA while Carter was out. Took some time, but now it shows.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just got back from the game. Nice. We really needed a laugher.
I was getting tired of games against playoff teams. Yes this was a game against a terrible team, but we blew them out, just we should. Good win. Lamarcus was beasting.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 8:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
blow out wins are boring...
let’s talk impossible trades: New Orleans is a disaster, let’s swing a trade for Chris Paul!
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
blake for paul?
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, was thinking Blake, Outlaw and Cunningham..... o and maybe a number one pick.
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
throw in some old jersey and Applebee's coupons
and you have a deal.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait... don't we have to check if it works in the trade machine?
If it works there, then we have a deal!
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that's what the GM's use...
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Outlaw and Blake would get him.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
don't be ridiculous
We’ll have to throw in a 1st round pick.
by jksnake99 on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
cunningham and pendergraph - straight up
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He won't go anywhere this year
especially with the economy affecting so many moves, it’s impossible they’d get fair value. Remember how long it took for KG to get traded?
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe we can use RLEC
like Canzano said?
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally. I think we should use RLEC to get Lebron at the deadline.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After we get Paul for Blake and Outlaw.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like how you think
are you KP? Pritchslap, Pritchslap!
I hate Comcast.
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I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa, whoa, whoa
no one said anything about outlaw and blake. We need blake for our 20 man guard rotation…we are just adding paul to it…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fo sho
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and tyreke evans...
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Like your sig
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LeBron is going to Minnesotay
Best chance at winning titles, if you hadn’t heard (Hollinger). After that, it’s Miami, Clippers, OKC, Nets, staying in Cleveland, and then maybe NY.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What was Hollinger's rationale for the Minny comment?
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Flynn > Williams
Jefferson > Illgauskas
Love > Varejao
Rubio > Gibson
essentially.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
On paper one COULD make that argument, but come on.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a good article in the NYT that Hollinger cites
If LeBron is about winning more than money, Miami, Cleveland, Nets, and yes also Minny, OKC, Clippers, etc. are better spots than carrying an awful Knicks team. And Cleveland also needs at least 1 more big star to be on that level.
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by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also explaining why market size doesn't matter to how much money LeBron could make
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that market size would be less of a factor, but all the other teams you mention have a way better shot at winning the title than Minny does with Lebron added I think.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They have both, cap space and 3 first round picks next year. Again.
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by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But yeah, I think realistic targets are rather guys like Joe Johnson or Manu Ginobili than LeBron or Wade.
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by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or they can get some young prospects and picks
by being the grand facilitator in ’10. A team may even get Al Jefferson for their troubles, or maybe even Rubio!
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If he cares about winning more than $
come to Portland for the MLE and we will get like 10 rings
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be almost as unfair as LeBron, Wade, Bosh all in Miami :)
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by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If they had a center or a big who can play defense like Big Z and Varejao...
…I mean, aside from Pekovic, who is set to explode and change the GAME, son!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love is leading the league in rebounding in the future, in the opinion of Wolves fans
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by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Love is an awesome rebounder and a great passer
But he’s tiny as all git out, and not a big man defender.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they need Aldrich in this draft.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I told em
(they whined about us “running up the score”)
In all fairness
we played Bayless like 18 minutes. All our starters played ~25 minutes. It’s not like we had the starters out running up the score, we had bench players that are hungry for minutes trying to show the coach something.
Can’t really hate too much for that ya know.
I’m hoping by luck or by pluck that Ya’ll come out of the draft with Cole Aldrich and Evan Turner. I think an Aldrich/Love front court would be very good (if also very white). Evan Turner is just the kind of wing ya’ll need
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his head might explode
he looks like stewie griffin
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, that is the other weird looking Euro
Pekovic hasn’t come to the NBA yet.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
Pecherov
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That guy looks like a cartoon... right our of the Simpsons or something.
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He really does look like Stewie from Family Guy
So damn goofy looking!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like rationale
it’s too hoppy
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
only if we get a backup 4 in the deal.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shoot, if we had moved earlier
we could have fleeced them of Melvin Ely as well
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
impossible?
Don’t you realize New Orleans is DESPERATE for money????
Lets all pool our money together It’s a Wonderful Life style, and we should have enough to get him. Throw in Blake just to sweeten the deal.
by TimG on Nov 8, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
God. please no....
Why did you open that can of worms… now all the Pro CP3 hacks are going to come out
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
by Bump22 on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i was actually trying to be strategic about that,
thinking a little preemptive mockery could nip that in the bud…. maybe to subtle?
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Way too subtle
I blame you for the 802 “Trade for CP3” posts that will pop up tomorrow. 1534 is True Hoop links to an article that says “Paul” within 5 words of “unhappy”.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, if it doesn't prevent the posts from being made...
the fact that we’ve already made fun of the idea means we don’t have to pay attention when the posts are made, right?
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just noticed 12 steals in the boxscore
Rudy had 4.
Fun!!!!
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, it ruined my fantasy basketball in ESPN. This way I just tied.
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by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm saw-wee
That is exactly why I do not do fantasy sports. It can ruin my homer experience.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay... impossible trades was a fun subject, on to a slightly more serious conversation
How much harder and more focused has Miller played since going into the starting line-up?
Correct answer: A WHOLE LOT. If you disagree with me, I will never trust you anything you ever say because you are lying or blind.
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's a combo of that
(He likes to start like any other good player), getting more used to his mates, and rounding into game shape.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dastardly "history" and "maturation" threats..
But I say, whatever… Perhaps as much as anything it was the vote of confidence that starting signaled from Nate.
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
Guys like being shown respect!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... I'm a good Eugenian
So I say, whatever works, works. I’m not going to spend my time wishing that starting didn’t matter a lot to Miller (and more than it means to some guys).
I mean, there’s definitely a whole spectrum on this care about starting thing… .And one end is “I don-wanna play if don’t start” AI… and at the other end there’s maybe Ginobili or Terry or whoever that enjoys coming off the bench.
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really, credit Nate for making the right call to
as he said, “get more out of Andre” He made a switch that’s improved Andre’s performance so far.
by PoliSam on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And with a player of that talent level
It is worth it.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec.
Except somehow Roy will fall apart because he will not be able to adjust to his new role, or ever make the all-star team again… … …
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. He owned this game tonight. He was a terror defensively, and was looking to set up everyone around him, whilst taking opportunities to score.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He has...
but I’m not sure that’s a ringing endorsement
by Ilikeemall on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the weirdest post game thread ever.
Some here seem to wish we would have lost.
That way it would show that we can’t win with Miller doing well and Roy not having a good game. Also would have been more anti -Nate ammo.
I’m still glad we won.
Rudy was great even not shooting well. MIller was great. Love Oden and LMA.
by twggyy on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that blacknoise dude up there.
He’s on crazy pills or something.
by Stryder9 on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because i suggested Miller's contributions can be replaced by Rudy
crazy like a fox maybe. Being the minority opinion isn’t the same as being wrong.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Benefits of the 3-guard Blake, Miller, Roy lineup.
Bayless is getting some burn now with the 2nd unit. I’m not a big fan of him as a PG for this team, but he can be a decent option off the bench as long as the 2nd unit runs the court. You can see how quickly the bench will default to shooting contested jumpshots as evidenced in the 4th quarter.
When Batum returns and the Blazers go back their traditional lineup. I hope Bayless continues his strong play and moves Blake to the end of the bench. His skillset fits the 2nd unit much better than Blake. I’m worried Nate will force the rotations to adapt to Blake’s limitations like it occurred with Miller. Let’s hope Bayless can be a strong contributor this year.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
All the Blake hate around here kinda amazes me
But I guess now that Jarrett Jack & Sergio Rodriguez are gone, someone’s gotta be the whipping boy.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 9:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hate Blake
I do think that in the long run Rudy would be better suited to start in a 3 guard line up.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not trying for it to be Hate
I really like what Blake does, but it’d be worrisome if having him at SG gets the credit for why we are beating an awful team like the Wolves.
I see it as really wanting Rudy out there more, and not hating Blake. What Blake does well, Rudy does as well, and Rudy offers a lot more. Rudy is also better when playing with better players. It just makes a lot of sense to me.
I do not understand hating Blake or Miller, since both are good players who we can really use.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're not a hater, Mort--that goes without saying
As for why Blake is getting more minutes than Rudy—a grand total of two games into this experiment—I think it’s mainly that Rudy has been off lately. It’s not just his shooting (Blake has been off in that dept as well). I think Nate is keenly aware that Rudy has played non-stop pro ball for two straight years and is bordering on burnt out.
But Nate is a big Rudy fan—has been since he saw him in the Olympics. Rudy will get his minutes on this team.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I too have suspected that there are either injury or fatigue problems with Rudy
And that is behind his up and down play (mostly down) and lack of minutes. Plus that he doesn’t seem too complainy about it all.
If his back IS fine, and he isn’t all tuckered out from playing basketball that doesn’t matter because it isn’t the NBA all summer, then he really should be in at SG in a Miller/PG and Roy/SF lineup.
Nate likes to know what he’s gonna get, like any coach. He knows what he’ll get with Blake. Blake can also be depended upon to dribble the ball up court and take care of the ball. He is a better ballhandler than Rudy. It makes sense to have 3 guys who are unselfish and can dribble n’ stuff.
Where it breaks down for me is that Blake is bad at making decisions on the break, and can’t fill a lane and finish like Rudy or Martell. And can’t guard most well PGs that well, and putting him on players bigger than him is asking for trouble. Which means we don’t plan on using this lineup against the Lakers or Nuggets, and I don’t like how situational it is when we got the horses and man-meat to make other teams adjust to US and not gimmick our way to wins with lineups that we shouldn’t get too used to.
I want us to work on what we need to work on for the playoffs, and for facing off with the Nuggets and Lakers.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, like I just said elsewhere in this thread...
Until Batum returns, Nate is just holding down the fort. That’s how essential I think Batum already is to this team. His defense and all-around all-court game are key to the team progressing to the next level. Fingers crossed he comes back soon enough to be fully integrated for the playoffs.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Think about that Denver game
Martell defended his heart out and Melo got 41. With both Batum AND Martell available to guard him, that simply wouldn’t happen. Melo gets 25-31 and the Blazers win that game.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he scores that on anyone
Melo was on and Martell was doing a great job— maybe a better job than Batum could do because Martell’s body is bigger and stronger and able to keep Melo outside more.
Melo would try to overpower Batum, and probably succeed.
Melo was just on fire and no one could stop him… not even Batum’s length and effort.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that Melo might light up Batum for 41
My point was that he’s not going to get near that many points if the Blazers have both Batum AND Martell to throw at him. I just don’t see it happening, despite the fact that Melo is a tremendous player when he’s on & motivated.
With two good small forward defenders—one of them maybe better than good—and GO/ Przy and LMA lurking in the paint—that’s just too much resistance for anyone this side of Kobe or LeBron to put up 40 points against.
OK, famous last words…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point
Not having to have Roy on Melo at the end would likely help a lot. We should try to have, as much as possible, a defender with length or size capable of defending him at the end of an important close game.
Roy has been a good end of game defender in a lot of games, but he doesn’t have the size to stop Melo when Melo is having a great game.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It just seems like
a mis-allocation of resources. Even if Blake starts, Rudy and Martell deserve more PT, and Blake is the easiest guy to shave a few minutes from
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If what we say from Bayless was any indicator - add him to the list of candidates
to take Blake minutes
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"saw" for "say"
overused chat fingers
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the negativity from Blake is leftovers from the Houston series where Blake let Aaron Brooks shred our defense.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For me it is definitely not that
That is a specialized case, even though we will still have problems with little speed demon PGs not matter what.
To me, it is that we aren’t playing him as the PG next to Roy, who is the real playmaker, but only using him as an outlet for Miller and Roy’s creations. And Rudy can do that, PLUS do amazing passing that Blake can’t do.
If we’re sticking with the 3 guard lineup, I’d do Roy/Rudy/Miller, sub Blake in for Miller early, Martell for Rudy later on, then Joel, keepin LMA and Roy in, and then when Roy goes out bringing Miller back in.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I would like to see Roy, Rudy, and andre at the end of games.
Did you notice Rudy was running the point several times tonight?
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy is the perfect complement for Bayless in that regard
A few times, as soon as J Bay brought it past halfcourt, Rudy came and took a handoff and ran the offense. The man is a great passer, it really is fun to watch him play ball
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He looks more comfortable running the point this year.
He has such a feel for the game, it’s awesome. He knows when to slow down, and when to push. I think Rudy may very well be our answer at point guard in a year or two. It’s obvious that Nate is trying to make him more of a play maker than just a spot up shooter like he was last year.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You misunderstand Blake hate with Bayless optimism.
I want Bayless to be better than Blake because Blake is an average-below average PG.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Portland can play the game of basketball!
Who knew? That was actually a fun game to watch! Assists, movement, effort on defense. Brandon only whined at the refs once! (Sorry, cheap shot.) Actually, I have renewed respect for Brandon for stepping back.
Andre is the man!
This team is dangerous.
by Blazin' on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
how ’bout that halfcourt offense based on feeding the post? There were cutters!
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as we keep showing we can play both ways
We are unstoppable.
And I love playing through Oden in the post, with his passing. He will have more off games, but that will be the offense of the future.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can't help but be excited...
with the progress of Oden… Sam Bowie 2.0??? Hell no
"You can lose lots of money chasing women, but you will NEVER lose women chasing money. " - Mr.Landis
by Bump22 on Nov 8, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh oh.....
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
where can one find data on fastbreak points?
by jksnake99 on Nov 8, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
NBA.com boxscores.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
is 21 fastbreak points a record for a Nate coached team?
by jksnake99 on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the Luke Ridnour Sonics had some big fast break games.
They had Wilcox, Allen, and Lewis finishing breaks.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They were pretty slow like us too though.
I am sure we had more SOMETIME… in one of those huge 45 point blowouts maybe.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate is learning to get the round pegs in the round holes and the square ones where they belong to
not a diss,its a lot easier said than done
by southern oregon on Nov 8, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can die happy
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's horrible
At least try to make it through the season please
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, I plan on it
but when I die, 300 years from now, after my rule as jscot’s chancellor is complete, I will dies smiling.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a great game and a good win
but it’s somewhat disappointing that fans can’t enjoy it without bring in their own agendas
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 8, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yep, it's weird
I watched the game on my DVR, enjoyed it thoroughly, then check in on BE to hear all this negativity. I guess saying, “Yay!” gets boring to some folks.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm happy we looked so good
But Roy not scoring much (he did everything else though, which is always good), the worry/concern over getting too used to Blake as the SG, and that we all expected an easy win does this to us.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta worry about something, I guess
None of those issues are real concerns to me. The Blazers usually have to kill themselves to get wins, even against weaklings, whereas real contenders coast against crummy competition. Roy will get his against the tough defensive squads. Let him kick back against teams like the Wolves. I think he loved it.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I personally don't worry about Roy at all
But it seems like some do, so this kind of handwringing happens.
Roy does not give a darn about scoring 2 points when we win by 23 easily.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm worried about two things
1. Not getting what we can/should out of Rudy. He is a great passer, dead eye shooter, and I think he offers more than Blake as the 2 in a 3 guard lineup. His off-ball movement with Miller’s passing could be deadly.
2. I don’t see this working defensively against teams with good/big 3s. Brandon can’t guard the Melos/Artests of the league, that’s asking way too much of him. For that reason, I’d like to see Marty start, and Blake and Rudy get about 20 mpg off the bench (with Bayless seeing some duty at the 2/1 like he is now).
It’s a marathon, not a sprint, and while the last two games have been great, I don’t know if this lineup is viable against the big boys in the West.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It will likely struggle against anyone with
even a somewhat decent SG and SF. Which is everyone that we are really competing with.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure--I don't envision Nate using this starting line-up all the time
But he had the nerve to pull it out of his hat when the match-ups favored it. Purty dang smart—and nervy—for a coach that so many BE’ers think is an unimaginative dummy.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
That mean ol’ stubborn rigid Nate used a lineup we never even thought we’d see because the matchups dictated it… that jerk!
But I still prefer a sustainable, non-matchup driven starting lineup…
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see that when Batum returns
Up until that time, I think it’s all smoke & mirrors—stopgap stuff. Because the fact is, as hardworking and athletic as Martell is, there’s big holes in his game. He’s just not a starting-grade small forward—at least not yet.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I just worry about this becoming a “fool’s gold” situation. Of course, Nate has forgotten more basketball than I know, so him playing chess while the fans play checkers wouldn’t totally shock me.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am in this camp, ie.e, not using this lineup frm hence forward set in stone,
and I will freely admit I am one of those who tends to wonder if Nate does lack imagination sometimes…I certainly didn’t expect Blake / Miller Roy…I would have thought Rudy would be a more ligical choice to start at the 2, shooting slump or not….so kudos to Nate for the imagination.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Biggest non-story Mike & Mike were riding around: How will Roy get all his points to become an All-Star
Then rushing to assure fans that the team will grind to a halt in the half-court offense against better teams again, when Roy will take over.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gosh I was so worried
If we are doing great as a team, I guaransheed that Roy will be an allstar.
THIS IS HIS TEAM, whatever happens, he lets it… he has had plenty of low scoring games where he let everyone else take off. Especially has happened in blow outs, when all the shooter are hitting shots and we’re rolling.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's got his max contract
It’s time to play for the championship! Besides, he’ll have his nights.
But no regressing please!
by Blazin' on Nov 8, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his UW team ran up and down the floor in college. Roy will be good in the running system, I think.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I should note that I think Roy will be a good trailer. He’s not good at flat-out racing down teh court. Trailing threes, though, he can hit.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he passed on a lot of shots like that tonight
long jump shots at the end of the break
by kobisportsguy on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He can fill the lane and finish really well
And is a very good, quick decision maker.
It’s not like we’re becoming the Suns, we just want to strike for easy points more often. Intelligently.
Easy points, points in the paint, is important.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they'll be turning back from Andre.
The hard part was getting here.
by Blazin' on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm trying to remember if he ran or that his teammates ran.
Nate and Conroy were the spark plugs.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember it being more of a case of Nate and Conroy running down and Roy would run down a second afterwards as a pretty effective trailer.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 8, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't recall him beating his man down the court.
This is definitely not his style of game.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 8, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll adapt
Tonight, I think he was perfectly content to let others do the heavy lifting. It’s an 82-game regular season, and a problem with this team has been Roy needing to be super-human even against the weak teams in order for the Blazers to win. Did anyone spot Roy pouting on the bench? I didn’t.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am fully expecting a twitter from Quick
announcing that this new arrangement according to Roy is BS, wondering how he is going to make the All-Star team with Miller on the team, demanding a trade if this is the new world order, etc., etc., etc., …
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You left out how Quick will instigate it and put the words in Roy's mouth
“I was underwhelmed with your stats tonight.” “Do you really want to play?”
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah
Besides, I’d just as soon the Blazers didn’t have an all-star. What a dumb exercise that game is. A big ego trip for all the gunners in the league.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Having multiple allstars means you're a really good team though
USUALLY.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The ONLY benefit I see is that you may get some more respect from the officials
GO should be the designated all-star this season, even if Roy & LMA don’t make it. All GO has to do is stay healthy and beat out Nene.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right now Kaman is the competition
Oden will be one as soon as he isn’t in foul trouble all the time.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
never thought i’d read that!
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kaman is BEASTIN' FOOLS
He had a really good season 2 seasons ago… his season last year was ruined by constant injuries.
Check out Kaman’s stats:
23/10 and 2 blocks!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He ain't gonna play like that vs GO
When those two meet, the humiliation will drive Kaman into early retirement. GO will win by default.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I know!
Clippers were WCF champs in my 2k10 my player mode.
All that talent on paper.
All that paper paying injured players.
All that “Davis.” Both Baron and Ricky.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
by HurraKane212 on Nov 8, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If Baron wanted to still play basketball
They could be good. He is very talented, but is a selfish player who takes a ton of bad shots and plays lazy too much.
In pre-season he looked to be in good shape again, which was nice to see… again, he is so damn talented that it’s a shame for himself and the Clippers fans that he is so happy to coast the rest of his contract.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah so far Kaman definitely looks like he deserves it.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
2 seasons ago
He averaged almost 16 points, 13 rebounds(!!!), and 3 blocks(!!!).
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a pretty big fan of the yeti.
The guy can ball.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that goes double for GO
Remember, this is the first season HE’S been healthy. And now his teammates are discovering that he’s an offensive weapon. I expect GO’s stats to be competitive with Kaman’s, and GO’s team will be WINNING. At worst, GO shouldl be the coaches pick this time.
Unless Kaman and Nene BOTH have breakout seasons and GO plays Dance Dance Revolution again, that is.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You won't find a bigger Oden homer than me
But until he can play as many minutes as someone like Kaman does, by staying out of foul trouble, he won’t likely be an allstar.
I believe he has a chance to be the best center in the game and will be an allstar many times over. But until he gets those fouls under control…
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
If he doesn’t conquer the foul demon, his all-star aspirations might have to wait another season.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see Greg making the all-star game this season.
Next year though…
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
Chris Kaman and Nene don’t exactly strike terror into your heart. Plus they’re both injury prone. All GO has to do is beat out ONE of those guys (as a coaches pick) and he’s in.
Not that I care about the silly all-star game. I just think it would be nice vindication for GO. There’ll be a lot of mud on a lot of “expert” faces when his time comes. Why not this season?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd love it to be this season
His per-game stats, even for the coaches (who aren’t silly fans who only look at scoring) won’t be enough if he is only playing 20 minutes a game.
If he wasn’t fouling so much before tonight, I’d say yes— he’s an allstar as a coaches pick. Most likely.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If GO continues to struggle with fouls...
…the coaches should vote him & Przy in as the first two-headed center in all-star game history.
Back when I was a Bay Area kid, the Warriors won a championship with Clifford Ray & George Johnson splitting center duties. They destroyed Wes Unseld and the mighty Bullets in the finals—shocked the world by sweeping ’em.
I hope GO does get his fouls under control. But I’d kinda miss watching Przy come in there and hold down the fort. No wonder Duncan wore down in that Spurs game: it was like a tag team wresting duo vs a single opponent.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Without looking that up
was that ’75?
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, and Ray/Johnson were actually referred to as the Warrior's "two-headed center"
The interesting thing is that Nate the Great Thurmond had been the Warriors’ center until that season, and the team never won much with him.
No knock on Nate; it just showed that a two-headed beast in the middle can be pretty darn effective. Blazer opponents are discovering the same thing now.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bynum will be voted by the fans.
Nene or Kaman will be voted by the coaches. Greg needs to play closer to 30 mpg to have a real shot.
by jksnake99 on Nov 9, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Andrew Bynum?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 8, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When LA is #1 in the West
I bet it’d be him.
The Clippers won’t be good enuff to get an allstar from the coaches.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With similar stats
Bynum, being from the bigger market, will get the nod.
However, their stats won’t be similar at all since Bynum can actually score. Defense doesn’t enter into All-Star ballots. How many All-Star teams did Bruce Bowen grace?
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 8, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to pic this totally apart, but
aren’t the Clippers and the Lakers technically the same market?…Weird huh…I sure wish the Clips were still in San Diego…or moved to Seattle…or somewhere besides LA…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
But the Clippers, through their own constant mediocrity and terrible owner/management, are irrelevant and may as well be a small market team.
And I was talking about the difference between Bynum and Oden, not Bynum and Kaman. Kaman is surely a deserving candidate this year.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 8, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha...I'm tired n being nit picky
:-)
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
I knew I was forgetting somebody. But talk about injury prone!
I remember last season, all these BE’ers were saying they’d trade GO for Bynum in a heartbeat. I couldn’t believe it. You don’t hear that talk so much now, do you?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bedgers value defense
But the team with the most points wins. Of course, that goes both ways. I still believe Oden has a higher ceiling. I think Bynum would do about as well as Oden in Nate’s offense. It’s hard to score if you play in an offense that (until recently) doesn’t rely on post players but rather jacks up jumpers indiscriminately.
As you may tell, I am a big fan of the new three-guard, dump it into the big man philosophy and I think Miller is the right man for the system! I am glad Nate can adapt his philosophies to reality.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 8, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Brandon played well tonight
his shot was off. If he’s hitting at his normal clip, everyone is calling it a great game
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he'd have pulled the trigger on some shots that he passed on
Roy’s shot wasn’t dropping, and he wanted to encourage the running. So, not being selfish (!!), he focused on passing, rebounding, defending, etc.
You’ll notice he was all smiles on the bench.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He will do whatever it takes to win
Many nights that means scoring 25. On this night, which right now is a big aberration for us, he didn’t have to do anything but rebound and pass. And he’s gonna be tickled pink about it.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Him and Greg on the same page
like they were tonight should scare the rest of the league. This was a great team effort, I don’t see the Lakers doing this to Minny if Kobe drops 2
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 8, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Are Hollinger's power rankings up?
I can’t find them, and they proved to be a great resource for seeing things like SOS and home vs away games, for all the teams played, etc. I am assuming he is going to wait a while for enough data…
by TimG on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Soooooo, how long does everyone think this RAMBO 2.0 line-up lasts?
I predict Marty is thrust into the starting line-up the first game we need to defend an elite wing player. I think Nate was using this RAMBO 2.0 line-up to ease Andre in with Roy.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 9:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate will be making other coach's feel uneasy
When they watch this tape
by southern oregon on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point. Which Blazers team do you prepare for? What players do you key on?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At this rate of improvement most teams are going to have to game plan to stop Greg first.
He really affects the game when he is in there. I noticed Minny was absolutely packing the paint when he was in.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds about right to me.
I can’t remember who their next few games are against, but I know they play Atlanta again sometime soon. I’d guess that’s the latest it will end, as they’d be stuck with Miller guarding either Joe Johnson or Marvin Williams. Not a recipe for a winning result.
by MDBlazerfan on Nov 8, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We did win right?
I mean seriously, people are getting too negative.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 8, 2009 10:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm not hearing much negativity. Maybe not stoked, but not negative either.
This was a home game against a bad team. It should be a win.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hella stoked!
The starting lineup thingy has peeps thrown for a loop, and maybe concerned how this plays out going forward. I hope everyone is stoked about the win, that is a Blazer fan anyway.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only did the guys win
But for the first time in memory, they actually pushed the tempo and got easy baskets. I mean, I don’t remember the last time that happened against ANYBODY. Not since Nate became the coach!
The headline should be, “HALLELUJAH: NATE IS EXPERIMENTING WITH LETTING THE GUYS PLAY!” Instead, there’s all this hand-wringing about Roy’s shots, Rudy’s minutes, etc.
Sorry, that’s just bizarre to me.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Good point
I will admit I worry about Rudy’s minutes some…but heck yeah Nate! Up tempo not only won the game, but it is kind of fun to watch!…if the Blazers win at it anyway.
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hurryup09 has been on fire tonight
with the comments
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 8, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now that the season is in full effect
Hurryup09 will bring it nightly like always!
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks guys--I guess the game got me fired up
But just now I get back from talking to my wife on the phone and no one’s here! Guess Ben finally finished that game wrap-up…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 9, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The lack of plays being called, the free wheeling style
The TRUST in the players, the players willing to do it…
Yup, it was the first time. And it was fun.
I don’t want us to be a running team, but we HAVE to take advantage of those easy buckets.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We ran but it's not like we were out of control...
We didn’t force it too many times on the break and settled into the half court when we needed to. It was just so out of character, it seemed like we were a D’Antoni team or something!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we ran INTELLIGENTLY
Which is what we should do. When it’s there— go get it!
When not, work the halfcourt, and try to get it inside.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"who is", not "that is
ug
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 10:29 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Andre Miller took 14 shots tonight
And he made 9 of them.
THAT MEANS HE GETS TO KEEP SHOOTING
Nobody is complaining about Aldridge’s 19 points, even though he missed over half his shots.
These are my principles. If you don't like them, I have others. -Groucho Marx
by RDreamer on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
yea. he shoots a high percentage for his career. he can't pass up wide open looks.
and his 3 was with the clock running out. his shot is flatter than molly ringwald but just as pretty on a 9/14 night.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You could see in the Spurs game why Miller's career 3-point percentage is ultra-low
He mainly shoots them with the clock running out. Those are desperation heaves to avoid shot clock violations. I’m guessing that when Miller takes wide open, in-rhythm threes, his percentage is respectable—say 33%. But for he views that as a poor option, so he passes up lots of open threes. The result—a scary-low shooting percentage.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kidd is rapped for being poor from deep too but
we’ve seen him make some dagger threes.
and he’s bricked a few with the clock running down as well.
pffff. Portland fans…I bet half of them would complain if we had Jason Kid—-he can’t make threes…Or Steve Nash—-he can’t play D. I mean, Andre really isn’t that far behind those guys in pure PG skills.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For the many that wanted a pure PG
There ya go. We got one.
Kidd shot over 40% from 3 last year though… ever since becoming a Mav he’s shot the 3 well, I think.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
40%, eh? very nice.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Made 130 of them there three pointers as well.
That’s a lot!111
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but opposing PG's badly outlplayed Dallas PGs, last year
At least Miller was better than his opposition
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Man. I guess he gets overlooked
because they have Dirk and JT hitting shots from everywhere.
I can’t wait till the Blazers play them. That should be an interesting matchup this year.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kidd is a career 34% from long range.
Miller? 21%.
Not quite the same.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Nov 8, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is if you use Enron math...
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lamarcus got to the line a lot tonight, banging down low and grabbing boards. He was huge. He got to the line a lot ( and made them ), so his true shooting percentage will show his real effect on the game.
I would take a night like this from LMA ANY night over him shooting perimeter 2’s at a good clip.
by dario argento on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA deserves a lot of love for tonight
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He does remind me of Sheed
in that he does everything well except play with his back to the basket like a traditional 4 is ‘supposed’ to do. We always wanted Sheed to be our ‘go-to-guy’ instead of simply appreciating the fact that we had a player who was skilled and capable of gluing a team together with his versatility.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA can run faster than Sheed though. He runs hard down the court almost every posession.
On a team that committed to running I think LMA would be a perennial all-star.
by dario argento on Nov 9, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So true. He is a killer in the open court.
An up tempo game really plays to his strengths. That finger roll on the break was so sweet.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In reality, Blake is filling in for Batum,
because Nic generally played the ball handler. Roy has always ended up guarding 3s—-and he said so much before the game tonight.
Of course one could say Mello will shred against that lineup but, on the other hand, he would have to try and chase around Blake, Roy, or guard Miller (the ball) on the other end.
Lebron is a different story, of course…
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
just like your filling in for Dave
where is my post game recap? I don’t pay my hard earned money to sit around and wait here for my…
What’s that you say? I didn’t pay any money?
Nevermind :(
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hehe. no. you bring mechanical virtual units of value to the site.
yea. it’s true. this site has adds. adds, I would assume, based in part by the traffic in and out of the site. and you’re driving up revenue. every little click counts!
you know that paper clip Dave used today to organize his notes? yea. that one. YOU helped pay for it. NICE WORK!
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Slightly off-topic: Portland drivers. The worst in the NBA?
I say yes. New Yorkers are angrier. Boston peeps seems crazier. But I’ll take both of those over clueless cell-phone-faced, space cadets any day.
discuss?
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Vegas is much worse
Portland and Oregon drivers are just too polite is all.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he did say "worst in the NBA"
if we get out of the NBA, I’d go with Italian drivers, closely followed by Spanish drivers
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
PRC Chinese drivers rank up there with the Eye-talians
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've driven in Greece. There are 'laws' but...heh.
It does keep you on your toes…
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I only drove a scooter on Santorini, and a rental car there too
It was the offseason so it was super easy.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't drive there
but the shuttle drivers on Ios were pretty crazy…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there are any laws in China...
I made a mistake of getting a ride home one day from the train station from one of the dudes on a little 125cc bike because I didn’t want to wait for a cab…the most thrilling 7 miles I’ve ever ridden fo sho…
"The match in Los Angeles is a good opportunity to begin to demonstrate that we want to make war." Rudy Fernández (translated)
by G_dubs on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I love portland
but no one knows how to merge or use their signal in this town…
Germany, now that is a driver’s country baby!
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate people who don't use their turn signal
SO much more dangerous than speeding, in my opinion.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea. That's a problem. I could list my least favorite things PDX drivers do...
It would be a fairly substantial list.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Germany is so sweet for driving.
I got to drive from Paris to Frankfurt. Those peeps know how to use the left lane. Passing only—-like we’re SUPPOSED to use it here (but don’t).
Of course, there weren’t very many cars on the road when I was in Germany.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I drove from Amsterdam to Cologne and left around 11 PM
Once I hit the German border the speedo didn’t go below 190 KPH until I hit town limits…it was awesome.
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did my driving in Spain, France and Italy
getting out of Italy alive was special. Never saw more accidents on average than I saw in Spain, though. Spent four years there and witnessed a lot of bloodshed.
Germany was nice, but all taxi cabs and buses.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 8, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Driving in Italy and Paris was lame
Driving on the wrong side of the road in ireland was goofy too.
Germany was easy drivin’.
by Mortimer on Nov 8, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did see a guy in Madrid doing 20 mph backwards the wrong way
down a one-way road, once he got back out on the street he wanted he parked and got out of the car with a beer in his hand. That was special…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha. I saw some dudes in Montana hop out of the car with open beers.
They seem to have changed the laws there since, however. I wonder why…
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I got stopped by the federales for driving while drinking
it was a Pepsi.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 9, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m in NY and loathe the atmosphere on the road…they remind me of little yippy dogs always honking at literally, nothing. I think there’s so many people here people constantly vie for attention. And they feel the need to pass anyone in there way, even if it’s only for 20’, they want to get there before you. And the no turn signals! But the no turn signals is everywhere, nothing more annoying that having a guy stop in an intersection and THEN turn his signal on…with you stuck behind him.
Of course as much as I complain about NY driving…I’m that guy when I’m back in Portland now. Cursing at all you Oregonians driving the speed limit. I mean the SPEED LIMIT? WTF! I have places to be! I am important!
I'm on your bandwagon. Eating your nachos.
by Fanboi on Nov 9, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salt Lake City was pretty horrible
MAV’s: Mini-van otherwised known as Mormon Assault Vehicles. One mom looking and yelling at her 12 kids while sort of driving.
Florida Drivers suck as well…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on Dave/Ben and finish that Recap
Pappy needs his medicine…
"No disrespect to Jeff Blake"
by Eat Politicians on Nov 8, 2009 11:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Play of the game?
Rudy’s pass to Przybilla, alley-oop to B-rex, or Roy’s field goal…
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 8, 2009 11:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I still love Miller's crazy pass to LMA on the break where he gathered it and jammed it. It just looked like a pass few people in the leauge can make.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but how do you pick...
that Rudy pass was sick.
LMA’s finger roll too. SWEET.
Nate. Nate. Nate...
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 8, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that was one was too obvious...
just kidding. I like seeing the 6’11 dude run, dribble, and jam!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 8, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
'twas perfection itself
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone mentioned it yet (I got here late)..
Travis had a very good game. Hit his open shots. ATTACKED THE RIM. His blocked shot was awesome!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 8, 2009 11:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is a revolutionary change!
Not the three guard lineup. Miller running the team. BBIQ just went up by about 50% in the starting unit. We don’t have to look over at Nate for precious seconds to get every play. So we can push the ball before the defense gets set. Roy has great skills but, with the ball in his hands, he uses syncopated timing and misdirection to break down the defense and get the high percentage shot while everyone else spectates. Those are hard baskets and they allow the opponents to load up on Roy and beat him up and wear him down. For a ring, we have to have a team that plays as a team and isn’t always watching the coach. If this unit pulls that off, both Roy and the team will have taken their game to a new level. Rudy does the same thing for the second unit. It’s not about three guards. It’s about having one guard who can call the offense and push the tempo and get everyone involved.
by oldguyoldfan on Nov 8, 2009 11:35 PM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
As I commented above, everyone is missing the forest for the trees. Forget Roy’s points, Rudy’s minutes, etc., etc. MCMILLEN LET MILLER RUN THE TEAM FOR THE SECOND GAME IN A ROW! That’s big, exciting news. Lots of us never thought we’d actually see the day when Nate would stop micromanaging—even for a single game.
I figured the problem was that, as a former point guard, Nate was used to being in control of the rock. He just couldn’t turn that control over. Turns out he just needed a point guard of his own caliber that he could trust.
Reminds me of a dad who makes life hell for every guy his daughter dates. But finally she brings home a guy that lives up to his standards, and he gives the couple his blessing.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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