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Media Row Report: Blazers 96 Spurs 84

Before the game started, the gameplan was labeled a "gimmick" and derided as "desperate," the idea met with scoffs and outright laughter.  Miller and Blake in the starting lineup together?  Really?

In the countless starting lineup polls that we've run here over the past few months, not once did Miller/Roy/Blake/Aldridge/Oden appear as an option.  The idea of going small -- that small -- to start off a game was so unconventional and so risky given the Spurs' height at the 2 and 3 positions (both Michael Finley and Richard Jefferson are 6'7") that it even caught Spurs coach Gregg Popovich, master tactician, off guard.  

Popovich scrambled to inform his guards of the switch shortly before the game and then watched the Blazers run out to a 8-0 advantage in just over 2 minutes of game time, despite spending a 20 second timeout less than a minute into the game to get his defense right.  

The quick start was keyed by Steve Blake's energy -- he was playing like he knew his job was on the line -- and Brandon Roy, who had 7 first quarter points and finished with 24 on an efficient 9-15 shooting. The team's ball movement was the best of the season (8 Blazers scored in the first quarter) and yet the ball control was also solid (just 2 turnovers in the first 12 minutes).  It was by far the Blazers' best overall first quarter this season: the team scored a season-high 29 points and maintained a season-high 15 point lead after the first quarter.  

From there, an ankle sprain that knocked Tony Parker from the game made life pretty easy. The Blazers executed just enough down the stretch to maintain a firm grasp on a game they led the entire way.  The final margin of victory -- 96 to 84 -- was both comfortable and comforting: a return to normalcy for a Blazers team used to winning handily on its home floor.

Asked about his downsized starting lineup after the game, Nate McMillan said that he had already eyed the upcoming schedule and plans to stick with that Miller/Roy/Blake over the next couple of weeks.  The big question mark with this grouping is on the defensive end: a large, potent backcourt trio could present serious mismatch problems for the undersized Miller/Roy/Blake.

Yet surveying the team's upcoming opponents it's easy to see why McMillan might feel fully confident with this lineup for at least the next five games, if not longer.  

  • Minnesota Timberwolves: one of the weakest teams in the league features rookie Jonny Flynn (nice potential, not there yet), Corey Brewer (barely an NBA player), Ryan Gomes (nothing to write home about), and Ramon Sessions (not physically imposing).
  • Memphis Grizzlies:  Undersized starting guards Mike Conley and OJ Mayo plus the Charmin soft Rudy Gay.
  • Minnesota again.
  • New Orleans Hornets: a little bigger with Chris Paul (All-World), Mo Peterson (Meh) and Julian Wright (Still waiting for this guy to develop...) but they're off to a terribly slow start and have been reduced to a one-man show.
  • Charlotte Bobcats: Not exactly an overpowering offensive juggernaut (held to 59 points... for an entire game... by Boston) with Raymond Felton (hit or miss), Raja Bell (aging defensive specialist) and Gerald Wallace (nice player, not going to carry a team).

After that, it's Atlanta, Detroit, Golden State and the Timberwolves again.  At this point, Atlanta (with good sized wings in Marvin Williams and Joe Johnson plus explosive scoring from Jamal Crawford off the bench) seems like the worst matchup for Miller/Roy/Blake. Detroit has been juggling lineups (starting rookie Jonas Jerebko at the 3!), the Warriors are basically the Oakland Raiders of the NBA and the Timberwolves were covered above.  

So with the exception of that game in Atlanta on November 16, which could give Nate McMillan some pause, there's a chance McMillan talks himself into this starting lineup for the next 9 games.  

Who would have thought we'd be here?  

It's not clear whether anyone did, outside of McMillan.

Asked after the game what he thought about the new starting lineup, Brandon Roy said, "I'm fine with it. Whatever we go with, my thing is to continue to be aggressive. Defensively we can't have a drop off."

That's the spirit!  Roll with it. If you're going to go with something new, might as well embrace it with open arms and an open mind. It's different, it's weird, it probably won't win a playoff series but it's something.  This team -- lackluster through five games -- needed something, and tonight it got it. 

Just a few notes late on a Friday night...

Rudy Fernandez

The biggest loser with this new lineup juggling? Rudy.  He played just 11 minutes (less than 2 minutes during the fourth quarter) and despite attacking the bucket a little bit more than he has in the past, and throwing an absolutely spectacular backdoor pass to LaMarcus Aldridge for a dunk, he was a shell of the Rudy Fernandez that electrified the Rose Garden last year.

If and when he returns to form, it will be game-changing.  Because right now, he's giving McMillan as close to nothing as possible.

Jerryd Bayless 

Rex got some run!  Interesting that his first playing time of the season would come against San Antonio and George Hill, a team and player he dominated during Las Vegas Summer League.  In perhaps his best performance of last summer, Jerryd hung 19 and 5 (and, yes, 7 turnovers) on Hill and locked him down pretty well on the other end, holding Hill to 6 and 3.  

Tonight Bayless did what we've seen him do before -- attack the basket, draw fouls -- and didn't do what we haven't seen him do before -- truly run an offense, make his teammates better.  It's clear that a Bayless/Fernandez backcourt is not the best pairing to maximize the strengths of both players.  

Nevertheless, you can't help but be happy to see Bayless in the rotation rather than rotting on the bench.  Bayless even has the potential for steady first-half minutes as long as McMillan continues to start both Miller and Blake. How quickly fortunes change.

Greg Oden

You guys thought I was lying through the preseason, didn't you?  Greg Oden making shots?  Playing calmly?  Dribbling the ball without travelling?  It all sounded preposterous, didn't it?  Well tonight a television audience finally saw the offensive flashes that Oden treated the Rose Garden crowd to during the preseason.  He drew oohs and ahhs during the game and big-time post-game kudos from Nate McMillan (not to mention a number of writers) for how he stood toe to toe with Tim Duncan, getting the best of Duncan physically on a number of occasions down the stretch.  

Both Duncan and Oden finished with 14 and 8.  McMillan will surely take those numbers 100 times out of 100 this season.  And I didn't even mention the four blocks, 3 of which came during the fourth quarter.

Nate's Post-Game Comments

Do you feel like a genius?

No, I'm happy to see the movement. That felt more like a flow, more like a rhythm on both ends of the floor. What we wanted to see I thought we saw. I thought Dre, we got more from him. He got everybody involved. A lot of communication, just looking in sync, even though that team hasn't played a lot together. I thought we got the ball movement, we were attacking. When we stopped attacking, and started back isolating and going one on one, they were able to get back into the game.

When you started to sputter in the 4th quarter did you intentionally put the ball back in Brandon's hands?

Yeah because we were in the penalty. So we were going to drive the ball and we went with the power set to drop the ball low, ended up getting a 3. I think Blake hit a big 3 off of that. For the most part, having that lead with Tim being in the game, basically we were going to spread the floor. I went with Travis, Blake...

But before that, when you had five straight possessions where you didn't score. Andre was bringing it up and then Brandon was bringing it up, did you make that call?

I did. I did.

They adjusted after the early energy. Late in the game you pounded it into Oden. What are you seeing from him offensively?

What I was hoping for was with Miller in that game, he would be able to get Greg the ball. A lot of the calls tonight, Dre called those sets. He did a nice job of mixing it up. He got Blake involved. He got Greg involved, deep post position. He called the right sets. Greg had deep post position, they were playing him straight up, a couple of times he got himself in trouble trying to beat him with speed as opposed to just taking his time and going over the top. I thought he was, for the most part, patient and did a nice job establishing himself down there.

Does that give you another option?

That is an option. We want to take advantage of that option. We don't want to be stagnant and just pound, pound, pound. I thought we had movement, with pin downs and pick and rolls that led to the post ups as opposed to coming down and just pound it. Sometimes the best way to get into the post is starting with the pick and roll to get some movement to get it there, then that defense is not set. Normally when we try to pound it, they trap us, they're set defensively and they take it out of the posts' hands.

What does this win mean?

It's a good win for us. We're trying to find our rhythm. I felt like we haven't played well. Even though we have two wins. Tonight I felt like we had a good rhythm. The offensive execution, the movement was better. We got the tempo we wanted. Defensively we did all the things we wanted to do. It was a game we needed. At home, against a very good team. This game, games like this, you want to take and build off of it. It should give us some confidence that if we do those things again, against any team, play together, move the ball, play defense, you can win ballgames. It's something to build off.

Will you go back to the three guard lineup again to start?

I looked at the schedule. The schedule that we're playing here in the next week or two, we can stay with that. I'm going to look at that lineup. I'm going to stay with that for awhile and we'll see. I thought it was good. It was what I was hoping for. Some movement with those guards being in there. We were able to get the ball to the bigs when they were open. It was a good unit tonight. 

What happened during the 4th quarter dry spell?

We stopped moving. We stopped reversing the ball and getting into our pick and rolls. We became stagnant, trying to play just an option. It was a lot of dribbling, holding the ball, and not that quick swing, run out into a pick and roll. That team is too good and most teams are to just go isolation, raise up. Pretty much the way we were beat the other night against Atlanta. You gotta have hot shooting to do that. We got a little stagnant, we were able to knock down some shots and get a little more movement and eventually put it away.

Greg's defense.

I thought he did a nice job. I thought he did a real nice job of being big and getting him off the block and for the most part we played him straight up. Andre was quarterbacking that defense and doing some things that we don't normally do. With his communication we double-teamed a couple of times and got out of those rotations and was able to cover the perimeter. We did some nice things. It started with Greg, just getting him off and being big.

Rudy.

He hasn't knocked down... his shooting is off right now. He has to keep shooting the ball, getting some movement, attacking the basket, getting something easy would be good for him.

Bayless.

Bayless I wanted to try to get him somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes and see how he went. They cut into that lead going into the fourth quarter and I wanted to get the first group back out there. We'll keep doing this. The guys, they go out there and make some things happen, we'll keep them on the floor.

Scoring balance.

Yeah, I was hoping to get that, more movement with that group. It's been one or two guys scoring. Brandon and LaMarcus, or Brandon or Travis. Tonight we had four guys in double figures, a guy with 9 and a guy with 8, we do have some balanced scoring, and more guys putting the ball in the basket.

-- Ben Golliver | benjamin.golliver@gmail.com | Twitter

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I missed the game, but as far as I can tell from this chopped up ESPN replay Greg's moves looked great. Not good, great.

They were fluid and even when he missed, you have to love the aggresiveness. He got back on defense and didn’t look shaken because he missed a shot.

Of course this doesn’t mean the Blazers are back on track. It’s still a struggling Spurs team that we beat. We have a month or two before we get there. It’s just fun to see Greg step up.

Now if he can stop the fouling and getting stripped. Maybe put his hand on top of the ball so when they go to strip him they hit his hand and foul?

by BRoyInThe4th on Nov 7, 2009 1:10 AM PST reply actions  

On the second strip

Duncan definitely did a hack job on Oden’s arms.

Sucking at darts is not a super power

by 1badbadger on Nov 7, 2009 4:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It's RAMBO part deux

Now with 100% less French

"Cathartic? I didn't go to college, I don't know what cathartic means."
Kobe Bryant

by kono on Nov 7, 2009 1:23 AM PST reply actions  

there's a little french in all of us

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by hobobob on Nov 7, 2009 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

If the new three guard lineup works...

Will Nate stick with it against every opponent? I imagine it not working out so great against teams like Denver, Dallas and the Lakers who have rather large small forwards. I have a hard time seeing Blake, Roy or Miller guarding Melo, Josh Howard/Shawn Marion and Ron Artest. Same goes for the Cavs and Celtics in the East, with LeBron and Pierce. Then again it sounds like Miller may not be long for Portland, so who knows how long the experiment will last.

by WildYams on Nov 7, 2009 1:29 AM PST reply actions  

Miller will be here if he plays like that. He's solid

Roy can defend those players, and if the rest of the team shows up for offense, he may feel like d-ing up and being the man on that side of the floor. He’s got the chops and size to defend all those guy. LBJ’d be tough, but he’d be as tough for Webster or Trout.

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by hobobob on Nov 7, 2009 5:48 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah

No one in the league can guard Melo or Lebron, its just something that has to be done by a TEAM and not an individual.
Early on in the pre-season Nate was talking about how this year we weren’t going to worry about adjusting to other teams. We are going to make them adjust to US. This is the correct attitude.
Maybe Melo goes off on us again for 40+ but maybe our 3 guard rotation is good for 65 pts.

Maybe….

2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!

by RastaMonsta on Nov 7, 2009 7:31 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks for not eschewing on us, Ben.

If Dave uses that word one more time this season, I am sure to regurgitate voluminous chunks of cookies and milk.

"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty

"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn

by MojoMan on Nov 7, 2009 1:33 AM PST reply actions  

Anti-intellectual much?

What is wrong with having a decent vocabulary? Better than text speak, IMHO (pun intended).

by upper left corner on Nov 7, 2009 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not being venomous or intellectual. Just pickin' on 'im a little.

I think of chewing when I see the word. Some words have their own picture whether it reflects their meaning or not. That is just one and one I lean toward using less when other words are as good or better descriptors.

"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty

"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn

by MojoMan on Nov 7, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Good thing she didn't sell TVs

Aspect Ratio is an important term

"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles

by 92wastheyear on Nov 8, 2009 2:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Lamarcus

You are not Rasheed Wallace…. Please …. stop

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by Bump22 on Nov 7, 2009 1:49 AM PST reply actions  

Please.... take...... a moment..... to think about his position.

Greg’s game pushed him outside. See above and relax.

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by hobobob on Nov 7, 2009 5:52 AM PST up reply actions  

LMA will be back!

Its game #6 folks =)
We will all be cheering for those jumpers come mid season when they are dropping.

2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!

by RastaMonsta on Nov 7, 2009 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

LMA hasnt looked good at all yet this year

Also. i find it hilarious when i read comments of players/ coaches saying basically “i thought our ball movement was better tonight.” Guess what? You played a whole game with a legit pass forst PG. First time all year Miller has started and played starter minutes and magically we have better offensive flow. Coincidence? Me thinks not

by blazerbeliever97504 on Nov 7, 2009 4:19 AM PST reply actions  

This would have more impact

if we’d actually had good ball movement when he was in the game in the other games.

"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5

by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 6:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Here's the money quote, for me
Andre was quarterbacking that defense and doing some things that we don’t normally do. With his communication we double-teamed a couple of times and got out of those rotations and was able to cover the perimeter

Miller’s ability to communicate to the rest of his teammates on defense was “advertised” when he was signed back in July, but this is the first time I’ve heard it mentioned in a game recap. Portland has below-average perimeter defenders (Webster is learning, Batum is out) and for the team to “wall off” penetration it’s going to take communication and everybody being on the same page. Andre is critical for this to happen consistently, he simply has to be in the game more than he had been, before last night

I’m not crazy about Nate’s decision to start Blake and Mille alongside Roy. I suspect Brandon will get exploited by larger SFs if the opposing coaches prepare for this small lineup, in the future. But “getting Miller into the starting lineup” was a necessary byproduct of the gimmicky idea. If Brandon gets beat up because of guarding SFs, it’s up to him to let Nate know and then it’s on Nate to “do the right thing” and replace Blake with Webster

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

That is what I think also

With BRoy playing 3 he can got from playing 2 or three any time it is convenient. and we have a whole sloe of players we can insert. If Nate, plays the players that are hot that night. insert them in for Blake and BRoy can go on being BRoy. Jefferson burned BRoy a couple of times last night, but that was mostly when he came off a screen and broke down our offense.

In actuality we could have one or two player rotation at a time and not worry as much about the second unit mashing. I think they should put JBay in for Blake at times instead of in for Andre, that would play to his strength more. and also keep Andre as the floor general. Then when Andre gets gassed he can put Blake back in at one.

hg

by BBK on Nov 7, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate a very smart guy but would someone please tell him...

It is “we were” not “we was”. It drives me nuts. I nominate KP to let him know. Can I get a second?

by mlsinpdx on Nov 7, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate is not a college graduate.

"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty

"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn

by MojoMan on Nov 7, 2009 3:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Slack Up

That is what he was talking about, inserting Andre into the line-up gave us more ball movement.

Don’t be so quick to jump all over something that Nate was trying to create.

The only thing wrong with LMA’s game is, for what ever the reason, he is not making his shots.

Nate didn’t say this was perfect, but to me it is a step forward.

To my way of thinking by putting BRoy at the three, Nate can insert anybody into the one or two without effecting BRoy’s time or his game. That includes Rudy when he gets more of his game back after his back injury. Andre, Rudy, BRoy, LMA and Greg sounds awesome to me. TEE HEE, can’t wait.

I say if it feels good and it looks good and it gets Greg into the game more do it until it quits feeling good then go to something else

hg

by BBK on Nov 7, 2009 8:34 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree about LMA and his poor shooting.

My only problem with him was that he wasn’t taking better advantage of Bonner when he was isolated in the post. He kept fading on his shots instead of pushing toward the basket. I know that is LMA’s game but its Matt Bonner! Other than that, I thought his game was pretty solid and his D excellent!

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Charlotte is no push over as

they easily handled the Hawks last night.

I’m sad that I missed last night’s game. It fell into that black hole of blacked out League Pass Broadband games because it’s on ESPN (I don’t have cable TV). I can’t watch ESPN360.com because I have Time Warner Cable internet and I’m well outside of Portland’s broadcast region so I can’t even get ripped off by the Blazers’ craptastic feed.

by torsoheap on Nov 7, 2009 4:57 AM PST reply actions  

At first I wasn't overly keen

of a teams slogan on the front of their jersey, but after seeing it in action I like it and wish they would wear it more often.

After having watched 6 games so far I’m quickly jumping onto the Andre Miller starting bandwagon. I like Steve Blake but I see now that Oden is invisible to him. For the most part Steve’s only thought is to get to ball to Roy. Whereas Miller doesn’t have loyalty to any certain player but is looking to get everyone involved, including Greg. I think he will flourish as long as Andre is in the game and feeding him the ball which I just can’t see Steve Blake doing. So when we switch back to a one point guard formula I’d like to see Blake coming off the bench.

As far as Andre’s shooting goes, I’d like to see a lot less of that. Perhaps in desperation only. If he were to never take a shot of his own we’d probably score more points.

by JoeBlazer on Nov 7, 2009 5:23 AM PST reply actions  

As far as Andre’s shooting goes, I’d like to see a lot less of that. Perhaps in desperation only.

I agree with you (except for his driving, posting and very occasional short jumper) about the desperation shots. And that’s the problem. In that third period, especially, where we didn’t have good ball movement and guys were just dribbling, then passing to bail out, somehow Andre kept ending up with the ball at the 3-point line with the shot clock expiring. And I’m yelling at the TV in 24 hour fitness while working out, “Stop that! You could not pick a worse time to give him the ball!!”
He had at least 3 of those desperation shots in that game. Without those shots, Andre’s 3 of 6 in that game.

by Montavilla Steve on Nov 7, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

And now I see why you were so obsessed with Oden's touches

If he looked like that in the preseason, you’re frustration is understandable. You still missed a blatantly clear signal of his discomfort, but that game really helped show where you were coming from. So, I was sort of wrong to criticize you so vehemently.

I was totally wrong that starting Miller wouldn’t do much good unless he started shooting better. He changed the game ahhhhh ton by getting Greg the ball in a comfy place, varying the offensive attack, and just being sneaky/tricky. So, to everyone saying Miller needed to start and I said nope, I’m sorry, you were right.

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by hobobob on Nov 7, 2009 5:46 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Oh yea, and stupid Jakesnake99999999 was right too

Dejuan Blair is radical. I’d like him on the Blazers because he’s manly.

Seriously, though, that would have been an excellent addition. Snake pegged him from along way away. Props to snake on being completely right… for now…. about picking him.

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by hobobob on Nov 7, 2009 5:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Have to wait a few years...

if Blair is still a rebounding fool, and not injured, in 3-4 years, then yes… really bad move not picking him… (But KP had plenty of company).

by Visionary2 on Nov 7, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

in 3-4 years

Does anyone know the percentage of 2nd round draft choices that are still with their original teams 3-4 years later? I suspect it’s not very high

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 6:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Sometimes it takes seeing

Miller and Oden need to be in the game, together. Once it was clear that Greg had won the starting job, I fell solidly in the “start Andre” camp

Finally, we saw more than just flashes of what Oden did in the 4th quarter against Denver during preseason. Miller was also on the court during that same 4th quarter 24-6 outburst (because of foul trouble to Roy, Andre played 22 straight minutes in the 2nd half against the Nuggets, in that preseason comeback win!) It’s inronic that Greg had his national “break out” game against the Big Fundamental, but it’s not coincidental that it happened on the night that Miller joined the starting lineup. Hopefully, he’s there to stay

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 8:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Me too,

I thought miller in word diminish his or BRoy’s game. Boy was I wrong.

by BBK on Nov 7, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Takes an hombre to admit when he is mistaken.

I have been very frustrated with all the talk about Miller not fitting with Roy. Nate has barely given them a chance.

Now, if we can only get Nate to give up his Linus blankie, Blake, and put in the right starting five: Oden, LMA, Webster, Roy, and Miller. That has been the lineup I have been pushing since the day we signed Miller.

by upper left corner on Nov 7, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions  

That's the best starting lineup Portland could field.

Nate, make it so.

Blake has been good to Portland, but if Portland is going to start, and hopefully feature, Oden, then Portland needs a PG that will actually throw him the ball when he’s in position. Portland has done alright running the entire offense through Roy, but it’s time to branch out a bit and spread the ball. Miller seems to not care about getting the ball to any particular dude, just the one who’s in the best position to take a shot.

by torsoheap on Nov 7, 2009 9:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Right or wrong.

You think Webster, I think Rudy. Webster can come in to give BRoy a breather and BRoy can always slide back over to the two to give Rudy a breather. Of course with this line-up we have BRoy, Andre, Steve, Rudy, JBay (more minutes), Travis, Webster, Even Dante because we can slide all three guards back and forth for different lineups.

hg

by BBK on Nov 7, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudy over Webster indeed!

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

what has Rudy done to deserve to start?

I know he and Roy played well when on the floor together last year, but that was last year

Fernandez needs to step his game up this season, just to get more PT. If he can do this consistently then we can talk about him becoming a potential starter

I suspect Roy will grow weary of defending SFs, well before that happens

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

he hasn’t done much to deserve the start. I think he is still hurt. It is pretty clear what Rudy is capable of when he healthy and rested. I just hope he gets back to where he was last year…that’s all

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 11:21 AM PST up reply actions  

hmm

rudy hasn’t had much of an opportunity to play with roy this year and has not done badly when he has. we’re 6 games into the season and rudy has played exclusively with the second unit for the past 3 games, limiting his usefulness and playing time (average of 14mpg). the first 3 games this season he got 26mpg and shot over 50%, averaging 12.3ppg. roy averaged 11 more in those first 3 games, compared with the past 3.

i’m not worried about rudy’s recent production as it is hard for any player to produce consistantly in 14 minutes a game. the october games show that if his playing time stays the same as last year, he will produce.

by Evanescent on Nov 7, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

if his playing time stays the same as last year

And if he doesn’t produce, will his playing time to return to last years levels? Nothing is a given, especially not PT on a deep team. Rudy has the misfortune of playing the same position as a 2 time all-star. (He and Roy are best suited to defend wing players who weigh 190-220 lbs and are generally referred to as “NBA shooting guards”)

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Webster over Rudy

For his DEFENSE.

I love Rudy, but as a sub sparkplug. He’s just too easy to beat on D to start alongside Roy and Miller (already weak defenders—Roy mainly because he’s occupied on O and Miller because he’s slow and chubby).

by Marvin100 on Nov 7, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions  

RAWMO

FTW

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

AWMOR!

Thats French for I love the Blazers.

"BEER IS LIVING PROOF THAT GOD LOVES US"
- Benjamin Franklin-

by We-B-Dunkin on Nov 7, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Apology accepted...

in behalf of all of the Dre Doods…

HoboBob, you are showing great character…

by Visionary2 on Nov 7, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe the Blazers can hire me for my character

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Nov 7, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Nate

I getting far too much praise for starting 3 guards. The reason for the success tonight was that Mcmillan started Miller and loosened the reigns on the offense. Kepping Blake in the starting five is just stupid stubborness and will hurt us down the road. Martel deserved the start and I think he pissed off Rudy judging by his demeanor on the court.

by the glide on Nov 7, 2009 6:32 AM PST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

It worked pretty well

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 6:34 AM PST up reply actions  

irony

I think irony is the right word… Nate took perhaps the worst back-court combo in the previous games (Roy-Miller-Blake) and made it the starting back-court. At some level, I give credit to McMillan for going against the evidence to something he believed would work.

At the same time, I understand the collective skepticism on Bedge. One game is one game. Bogans is perhaps the least dangerous starting SG on offense in the entire NBA (and he’s probably not their long-term starter). The Spurs didn’t even have their starting point guard in the second half… It also seems reasonable to speculate that either Webster or Rudy could have replaced Blake and the team would have played just as well. I mean, if McMillan can choose a line-up that had clearly not worked previously, surely fans might be right that it will not work in the future.

Anyway, should be fun to see heated debates about it this week.

by PoliSam on Nov 7, 2009 7:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I'll give him credit

for finding something that worked well against this opposition. I’m not going to say it was “stupid stubbornness”. Stupid stubbornness is continuing to do something that isn’t working over and over simply because you aren’t willing to make any changes.

I’ll tell you what I think it is. I think it is transitional until Brandon gets used to playing with Andre. I think it is about Brandon’s comfort level.

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 7:13 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed.

I think it could be a brilliant transitional move by Nate.

First, we did get better movement. I do think Dre deserves most of the credit, but Blake did a fine job running around picks, and keeping the ball moving. He was also able to feed the low post from the wing at least once very nicely. It really doesn’t matter why, the point is, we got ball movement, and we fed the big guy.

Secondly, it got Bayless out of mothballs. If Dre can play 32, and Bayless can fill up most of the other 16, having the same, aggressive, drive the paint offense could yield important benefits. Especially if Dre can show JB how to make an entry pass.

And, as you mention, Brandon’s happy with Blake out there, and is learning that it isn’t a bad thing to have a pass hit you right in the hands as you curl off the screen, like Dre did once tonight.

I don’t think Blake can continue to outplay Rudy for minutes (or Martell), and I see no loss of movement when Rudy gets in the game (what a ridiculous bounce pass to LMA for the dunk tonight).

I also don’t think the no center offense will work for 5 minutes per night as well as it did tonight, so more adjustments coming, but this was definitely a good start…

by Visionary2 on Nov 7, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

But, was it necessary or smart?

I don’t think so.

Let me pull an AK, and quote my own comment from Dave’s recap thread:

How is it possible that Blake played more minutes than any other Blazer

OK. Let me start off with a confession. I didn’t watch the game, only the third one in the last two years. My wife came home from a long trip and I definitely had "other" priorities. In fact, I was so distracted I forgot to set my DVR. Wifey for the win!

Looking at the Boxscore, what leaps out at me is that Blake played more minutes than anyone on the team. How is that possible? By my count, there are at least 8 guys on the team who are better players than Blake. Blake is our second best PG, at least Nate seems to have figured that out for at least one game. But Blake is about our fifth best SG after Roy, Rudy, Bayless, and Webster. What is Nate thinking?

Webster and Rudy are roughly on par with Blake from distance, and both have more size, length and strength. I have been a big Nate supporter, believing that you can’t argue with his results over the past several seasons, but I am definitely scratching my head. Andre is a better distributor. Bayless is a better scorer and a better defender. Webster and Rudy shoot as well and can do other things. Why the heck is Blake playing major minutes?

by upper left corner on Nov 7, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

There may be 8 guys on the team who are better players than Blake

but if you hadn’t noticed they are playing 5v5 not 1v1. It’s a team game and Blake knows how to play team basketball. Look at the scoreboard and look at Blake’s line! Enough said.

by mlsinpdx on Nov 7, 2009 9:15 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Yep. And Nate likes smart veteran players.

Blake had a good game but few are willing to open their eyes to it.

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by TwoDeep on Nov 7, 2009 9:22 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Travis also

Travis is not mentioned hardly at all, but he was a big factor down the stretch with a crucial shot.

by BBK on Nov 7, 2009 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

really though

wouldn’t you rather see Martell or Batum (eventually) in the starting 5 with Miller Roy Aldridge and Oden over Blake? You already have your PG on the floor in Miller. Martell can be just as much a threat from 3 as Blake, but he has the advantage of offensive boards over Blake, not to mention the defensive end is win/win as far as defensive ability/rebounding goes. I’d rather see the RAMWO lineup than the RAMBO lineup.

by pdxlifer on Nov 7, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind seeing a point guard that had an NBA

jump shot so that defenses wouldn’t sag off him so badly.

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by TwoDeep on Nov 7, 2009 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

the glue guy

last year it was Batum, and Nic would’ve started this year if his shoulder was healthy

Blake is the glue guy. No, he can’t defend like Batum but he can move the ball on offense and help spread the floor

and unlike Nic, I don’t expect Steve to be in the starting lineup for the long haul. Once Roy and Miller learn how to gel, and as soon as Brandon starts getting “pounded on” by the SFs he now has to defend, Nate (hopefully) will replace Blake with Webster at the beginning of each half (“RAWMO”)

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Necessary or smart?

Probably not necessary. Given the matchups, perhaps smart. Results bear it out.

On-court chemistry is a funny thing.

I don’t think I’d like to see Blake trying to stop J.R. Smith while Brandon is defending Melo. But for this game, it was effective.

Blake moves without the ball. That’s one thing we haven’t seen enough of. Perhaps part of this is sending a message.

I still think it would be Rudy if Rudy were fully fit. I think he isn’t.

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

The key change was putting Miller in the starting lineup. If you’re going to move Roy to the three, it probably makes more sense to put Rudy in the 2 spot. Blake isn’t a wing. All he brings to the 2 spot is an ability to shoot threes. Rudy isn’t really a wing either, but he’s a better wing defender than Blake, can shoot the three just as well (if not better), and is a better interior passer (as evidenced by that sick pass to a cutting LMA).

If Nate wants to continue with the three guard set, the lineup I’d be really curious to see is Miller at the 1, Roy at the 3, and Bayless at the 2. That would be an incredibly fast lineup with three guys who can penetrate and draw fouls. If you’re going to go three guard, you want to give the other side headaches on defense (otherwise there’s not real point to it). I don’t think there’s a team in the league that is good enough on defense to stay in front of 3 good dribble-penetrators at once. That lineup could get the other team in foul trouble quick and really open things up for our bigs as their defenders peel off to cover the penetrators.

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by Blazer Guy on Nov 7, 2009 8:29 AM PST up reply actions  

That is what I was trying to say above.

With Miller at one and BRoy at three you could insert any one player into the line up. Miller Rudy and BRoy. Or Miller BRoy and Martell. Since BRoy could jump back and forth from two and three, Opposing teams couldn’t get a matchup advantage.

hg

by BBK on Nov 7, 2009 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

I think he pissed off Rudy judging by his demeanor on the court.

I’m not too concerned about this, because I don’t think Rudy is long for the Blazers, because he and Roy are so similar in the kinds of players that they can adequately defend. But, up until the Fernandez deal is made, he has the potential to be a distraction by ‘requesting" a trade (like Sergio did, last fall?) and that does concern me. It’s up to KP to “get out ahead” of this potential discontent and start making inquiries re: teams that need a scoring 2-guard and who might be a good trade partner. Don’t wait until Rudy’s trade value diminishes, which will happen quickly if he starts making noise about being unhappy with his role

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudy is not up to per because of his injury in pre seanon.

When he gets his game back I will bet you it will be Andre, Rudy, and BRoy most of the time.

by BBK on Nov 7, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions  

Don't go "all in" for Rudy

Back trouble is nothing to gamble on, it’s an ominous sign when it starts acting up on an athlete in his mid-20s. Fernandez has played a lot of competitive basketball in the last 12-15 months, beginning with the Olympics. He’s had almost no time off, and he was already tired last spring, in the middle of his first NBA season. I’m not sure he’s got a sturdy-enough body to last in the NBA for 82 games plus the playoffs at 25+ mpg. You may be envisioning a bright future for #5 that he won’t be physically able to deliver on

There is some pain that surgery can’t fix, and even “minor” back pain can throw off a shooter’s 3-point shot. I wonder if Rudy’s back has ever been “right” since he got knocked down by Ariza, last year?

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Photo caption

What’s with the obscure reference to PETA in the photo caption? Someone at AP is too clever for their good.

by dmacb on Nov 7, 2009 7:09 AM PST reply actions  

PETA blasted Manu for knocking down that bat in San Antonio

I suspect Ben wrote that caption, not AP.

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 7:14 AM PST up reply actions  

The captions on the main page can be edited, which many blogs on SBN do and Ben did here. This is the neutral original:
Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy, right, drives on San Antonio Spurs guard Manu Ginobili, from Argentina, during the second half of their NBA basketball game in Portland, Ore., Friday, Nov. 6, 2009. Roy scored 24 points as they beat the Spurs 96-84. (AP Photo/Don Ryan)

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 7, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Ben's is better

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

That clears it up

I completely missed any news items about “PETA vs. Manu” (sounds like the undercard to a boxing match). Thanks!

by dmacb on Nov 7, 2009 7:24 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate is a genius!

Miller
No Blake
No Miller
No Blake………………..

BOTH!!!
with a touch o’ Bayless!
FTW

2010 IS OUR YEAR PEOPLE!!!

by RastaMonsta on Nov 7, 2009 7:25 AM PST reply actions  

Coach of the Year!

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by MojoMan on Nov 7, 2009 8:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate to go this nerdy on you

But this reminds me of player-vs-player teams in World of Warcraft. If the below makes no sense, that’s fine.

Players of different classes formed 2,3, and 5 man teams. The 3 man teams we devised were almost always healing-druid/warrior/warlock. Then we tried Warrior/Warrior/Feral-druid.

Strangely, it worked well, as the warriors were actually able to stay in melee range more of the time. It was very non-conventional, but it worked well against certain matchups.

by rmcdougall on Nov 7, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions  

You could slide Rudy, Martell, Bayless or (woohoo) Batum into that starting spot.

It just depends on the matchup. The key is, Miller was starting and running the team, which is precisely what he was brought here to do.

WORD.

Nate. Nate. Nate...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 7, 2009 8:49 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Eggsactly

Chain Bayless to the bench

by Tiparillo on Nov 7, 2009 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

As I have been saying - let Miller do his job

This quote is what I’m talking about (from Nate):

What I was hoping for was with Miller in that game, he would be able to get Greg the ball. A lot of the calls tonight, Dre called those sets. He did a nice job of mixing it up. He got Blake involved. He got Greg involved, deep post position. He called the right sets.

I almost died when Miller hit Roy coming off of a screen and Roy rose up and hit a jumper.

Brandon let Miller do his job, he’ll make things easier for you.

Chain Bayless to the bench

by Tiparillo on Nov 7, 2009 8:52 AM PST reply actions  

I think this is key. When Oden wasn't in the game

the drop off offensively was noticeable whether Miller was in the game or not. Being willing and able to go inside to Oden is what makes Miller the difference maker.

by raoulduke on Nov 7, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha that photo caption is awesome.

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by BeaumontTXBlazerFan on Nov 7, 2009 8:52 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

Rudy Instead of Blake

If Nate is going with a small line-up, it seems obvious that Rudy should take the place of Blake. He is far better. What, is Blake Nate’s security blanket?

It is clear that Nate knows nothing about regression to the mean. Rudy is a great shooter and overall play-maker. Do the Mariners sit Ichiro because he goes 1 for 11. C’mon. This is a recipe for Rudy to head back to Europe – not a good thing.

by Law of Averages on Nov 7, 2009 9:04 AM PST reply actions  

Whoever said that this is about transitioning Roy has it right I think.

Two weeks of this lineup and Roy should be comfortable enough with Miller to start whacking Blake’s minutes.

by raoulduke on Nov 7, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

This is a recipe for Rudy to head back to Europe – not a good thing.

Not a good thing for Blazer fans, but it might make sense for Fernandez to return to CSKA (etc)if his back can’t hold up to the pounding of a grueling NBA regular + post season

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudy's back hasn't been healthy since last season

He was supposed rest it this summer

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 7, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm flummoxed at how some here continue to be so high on Martell's offensive game

when he so rarely hits a shot. It seems to be just an accepted article of faith: “Martell’s a good shooter.” Well, maybe in the gym all by himself, or playing HORSE, but so far he once again has a very difficult time getting off a 3 unless he’s wide open; when he receives a pass he seldom even seems to consider making any kind of aggressive or effective move.

He has dunked the ball once once in a great while; otherwise when on offense he plays timidly and flees responsibility.

ignacio

by ignacio on Nov 7, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

He was averaging 8-10ppg til last night

he was getting those points somehow

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by 92wastheyear on Nov 7, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Webster is shooting only 40% from the field, 35% from 3

but Blake is shooting 38%, and Miller only 29%

Plus, Webster’s intangibles would have him getting more minutes on my team, not fewer.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

   I can’t embrace this new line-up. I’m glad we won the game. But I credit the win to Oden and Brandon Roy. Sure, it worked tonight, but as Ben say’s about the lineup “It’s different, it’s weird, it probably won’t win a playoff series but it’s something.”

  And there is the problem. It’s not a line-up that wins in the playoffs. I’m not convinced it consistently wins in the N.B.A. as a whole. It suprised San Antonio, and with all due respect to San Antonio, they are having problems of their own right now. San Antonio made a run in the second half and that was without Tony Parker. So while I’m happy with what I saw, I’m not so giddy about the new line-up and I’m not really crediting the line-up change with being the catalyst of the win. I think it was more Portland just being more focused and San Antonio not playing well right now,

  McMillan get’s paid the money, He takes more than his share of heat when the team loses, if he want’s to experiment with a line-up that isn’t playoff viable then go ahead. But I think The Blazers need to lock down who our starter is and EVERYONE including McMillan needs to buy it. Like Brandon, I say, Go with Blake, or Go with Miller but pick one and lets go. Picking both, just seems like a way of delaying the inevitable. Sooner or later IMO either Blake or Miller will start with the other playing a majority of minutes with the second unit. I don’t see the 3 guard line-up as a long term solution, I also don’t see changing the starting line-up from team to team we play as viable. Good teams solidfy their starters and define roles.

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by Krang on Nov 7, 2009 9:42 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed

plus, SA was on the tail end of a back to back, which they’ve looked horrible in earlier in the season, so we had the deck seriously stacked in our favor once Parker went out. To the point that it would have been frankly embarrassing to lose that game.

That being said, I think it’s more of a transitional move to get Roy used to playing with Miller directing things early. Having Blake there gives him a little more level of comfort with the rest of the lineup and adds a little calm to the unit. Realistically, though, playing Blake off the ball doesn’t add much more than Martell or Rudy would if all we’re asking for is a guy to stretch the defense. Factor in the obvious defensive issues with that lineup, and it seems pretty clear it’s not a long term solution.

by Royster on Nov 7, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

bq. But I credit the win to Oden and Brandon Roy.

I credit the win to the team. 4 scorers in double figures and 2 more just under (8 and 9). I would also credit Oden’s effectiveness on Miller getting him the ball when and where he needs it.

I would agree this 3G lineup is not a long term solution but effective for now. It will build some chemistry and trust between Miller and Roy. Right now Blake is Roy’s Linus blankie…he’s said it repeatedly that he is more comfortable with him in the lineup.

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

that first line was supposed to be block quoted, oops...

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions  

It's all about managing fragile egos, IMO...

While I would like Nate pick a lineup and stick with it, there’s time for that still. I had to watch the ESPN feed for the second half, and was struck by Hubie’s comments about Pop, every year, experimenting with lineups early – until January! Then, in January, he locks in for the long haul and starts shortening the rotation… Seems to work pretty well for him!

I think Nate is working a bit of triangulation here. No, not the triangle offense, but Dick Morris’ Clinton triangulation: you’ve got one camp that wants to start Dre. One wants to start Blake. Nate went the third alternative, and started them both!

And you’ve got Blake and Roy’s egos to think about. Roy with public statements supporting Blake, Nate doesn’t want people to talk about some “split” between Roy and Nate. I suspect within a month or so Roy will go have a chat with Nate and suggest starting a true 3…

I tell ya, there’s more to NBA coaching that just calling plays…

by Visionary2 on Nov 7, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I suspect within a month or so Roy will go have a chat with Nate and suggest starting a true 3…

I doubt it will take that long…when’s the next time that Portland plays a team with a physical SF? Next Saturday against Charlotte? A week from Monday against Atlanta? That should about do it…even if the 3 guard starting lineup is still in effect, Nate will be making an early substitution of Webster for Blake to get a bigger body on the opposing 3

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Just hold that thought...

If the Blazers lose tomorrow, I’m sure you’ll have tons of Blazer fans right there with you.

by lyleleander on Nov 7, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

What ever wins !!!

With the Blazer depth, we could see more starting lineups that we don’t understand at first.
I hope the Nate haters give him the credit he deserves after last night.
Better defense, and Greg didn’t foul out. Great game !!!

Go Blazers !!!

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by FrenchieFan on Nov 7, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Liking what Nate did last night.

Last night was refreshing. I lalso love what Bayless can do. I wish he was in more. We need more attackers like him.

by MercuryPDX on Nov 7, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions  

When Bayless is in

the one good thing he does is attack the basket. He didn’t do much else very well last night unless you count a turn over, an ugly jumper and a foul. But 5 – 10 min might be good just for the 5-7 pts he can give you attacking the hoop. But he not consistant enough for mouch more then a spell.
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We looked awesome to start the game but when Miller and Blake sat the play got ugly. It seemed like the reigns were off during that time to me, like Nate let em play and they produced. But the second unit struggled with no decent point guard. And after the starting flurry of activity we went back to our one one one forcing shots ways for a while.
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I thought Rudy and Martell played well, but then they sat for long stretches. Blake was hot and cold last night, there were times he didn’t look so good, but then he hit some shots in the fourth. His performance wasn’t consistant though for the big minues he got.
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Again Oden plays like a maniac and we win. Last night we actually fed him the ball and there were results. My foot he’s not ready to produce in the paint. Give the man the ball.

by zersrule on Nov 7, 2009 11:02 AM PST reply actions  

Concur on Bayless

Last night was only the second time I’ve actually gotten to see the Blazers this year – either pre or regular season.

Given my limited exposure to Blazerball so far this season, I admittedly have very little sense of this team’s overall “identity”; what is expected of each individual player in terms of their role; Nate’s rotations and his apportionment of minutes. But in reading some of the comments here and on other threads, apparently I’m not alone. It seems that even some of the most obsessive followers of this team are experiencing some of the same confusion that I felt both times I watched the Blazers play.

However, I did note one thing last night that might be construed as a positive development under the heading of “Optimum Use of Personnel.” That was Nate’s use of Bayless – reportedly for the first time this season.

Maybe it’s way too early to say for certain and that I’m reading too much into just one five minute performance but it sure looked to me as if Nate sent Jerryd out to play the old “Jarrett Jack” role (maybe it was the phonetic similarity between their given names that first gave Nate the idea; who knows?)

Anyway, I seem to recall that, once upon a time, when the Blazers starting getting too “jumper-happy,” Nate would insert Jack into the lineup with the understanding that JJ would reliably take the ball to the rack with regularity. Whether successful or not, his forays into the paint at least sent the message that the Blazers needed to get back to attacking the interior.

In watching the game last night, it seemed that Bayless’ appearance seemed similarly timed in response to a stretch of play in which the Portland offense had stagnated into its passive, settle for the 15 foot jumper mode. Bayless came in and almost instantly electrified the team by taking it to the hole with a gorgeous “and one.”

Now, I’m aware that Bayless has more than his fair share of detractors on this site. But I don’t think even the most ardent Bayless-basher can reasonably argue that he’s not one of the better – if not the best – players on the roster in terms of ability to get to the rim. In fact, I think he’s probably better than Jack was in that department. So, yes, despite the fact that he currently sits at #3 on the PG depth chart, I believe he can still play a very valuable role on this club, the current shortcomings in his overall game notwithstanding. In fact, given the fact that JB seems to evoke the same kind of intense “love him or hate him” reaction that Jack once did, it seems that JB is ideally poised to seamlessly transition into JJ’s old role.

by knickfan on Nov 7, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

good comparison

Bayless is “like Jack” as a penetrator, as you observed. In small spurts he can be effective

I think the same thing could be said about Travis. “Less is more”. At the end of games, when Nate needs a hoop he can “call on” Outlaw. But during the rest of the game #25 “gives away” too many possessions on defense and when he fails to box out, or rebound

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Waking Nate up at 2-3 am to watch film may get him more time like Jack.

But, it’s no promise he will remain in PDX.

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by MojoMan on Nov 7, 2009 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I like to play what if????????????????

If we spelled Andre and Steve at different times with Rudy, we would have a pg, Rudy would get more time and Webster could spell BRoy at a different time then Travis spells LMA. There would not be such a drastic drop-off that way. Of course Greg and Joel can inter-swap at will.

hg

by BBK on Nov 8, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Big props for the Blazer defense inside the 3-P line last night

However, as for offensive ‘flow’ being better? I’m skeptical. I watched the game and it looked to me like you had a lot of isolation plays and not much ‘setting up other players’.

Pick and roll situations? Turned into shots after a pick provided space and not into easier shots for a rolling player. Drives into the lane? Turned into shots and not passes to open players when the defense converged. Do you get what I’m saying? Yes, spacing provided players with opportunities to score and the team converted more of them than the Spurs. But the team had 11 assists on 32 made shots.

A couple of reasons for this. One, the Blazers are not a team that passes well off of drives to the basket. Roy, Bayless, Miller, Outlaw, Fernandez – they all shoot a lot more in those situations than they pass. I would love to see this change. Especially Roy – he knows that the defense will converge on him when he drives. And I see the rest of the team ‘relax’ a bit when he does so – relying on him to carry the team in those situations. So when he does pass off – guys aren’t ready and often fumble the ball.

Secondly, it was a situation where the Spurs were not switching on the pick and roll. Therefore, the player benefiting from the pick had an open shot. I don’t mind them taking the shot in that situation. Trouble comes when other teams do switch. How many times have we seen LMA or Oden roll to the basket and not get the ball even though they’re open? I see it a lot.

Thirdly, it was an attempt to give Greg the time he needed to operate in the low post. This is a very good thing and I can live with less assists if they can get the ball to Oden with enough time on the clock to allow him to take advantage of a team that isn’t trying to double-team him, as was the case in most of last night’s game.

Fourthly, you simply have players on the Blazers that thrive in isolation situations and in those situations are not looking to pass. Outlaw, Fernandez, Aldridge, Bayless, Blake, even Roy at times. And, honestly, in 6 games, I’ve seen a lot of that from Miller as well. What I hope to see more of as the season progresses is the offense that dominated OKC in the first quarter – good passing, setting up teammates, setting picks not just to free up the man with the ball but also to free up a man to receive the ball.

I’m very happy with the win (although I wish the defense at the 3-P line would have been better – IMO the Blazers were very fortunate that more of those open 3-P shots didn’t fall), but I do hope that offensively the team continues to move towards playing better together rather than just settle for being more effective individually.

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by Storyteller on Nov 7, 2009 12:15 PM PST reply actions  

I too, am skeptical

but in defense of last night’s performance, the tendencies you illustrate with the pick and roll are not absolute. I think for the first time ever, Roy fed Odin with a lob pass for a layup.

It was only one play – but it was progress.

However, the team’s continued and much discussed inability to feed the post players with a pass that leads to a one move layup or dunk is a continued frustration. Over and over, post players (including Outlaw and Webster – on mismatches) would get deep post position, but couldn’t get the ball until they moved out another four or five feet from the basket – taking them out of “back to the basket” position and into “face up” position.

This is a team-wide flaw.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes he did

and credit to Roy. But that kind of play has been available time after time already this season – I’d like to see them take advantage of it.

The team simply needs more easy buckets. They’re getting a few off of turnovers, but I’d love to see them get more in the half-court. Rudy’s pass to LMA which resulted in the dunk (and was ultimately waved off) – another example of a play resulting (theoretically) in an easy bucket that, at home, will also engage the crowd and keep energy high in the stadium.

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by Storyteller on Nov 7, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Roy missed an easy to Oden too

That 2nd throw away in the 4th (?) Miller threw it to Roy ahead of the D and then thru back to…no one….ok LMA was sorta there but Oden had beat the D to hoop too ….if Roy throws it up top, Oden gets another cheap bucket and the Blazers break a bad string of possessions

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by 92wastheyear on Nov 7, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

the Blazers are not a team that passes well off of drives to the basket.

I think this may have been the reason why Hedo was offered the first FA contract on July 1

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions  

of course passing off the dribble was Sergio's #1 skill

and we know where that got him…exiled to Sac-town

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

No, his "#1 skill" was a three-way tie:

turning it over, getting abused on defense, and getting stuffed at the rim.

I’m sure those skills will serve him well in Governator-ville.

by Marvin100 on Nov 7, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

now, now

Sergio has exceptional court vision and was more than willing to thread the needle with a pass to the wing or lob it up to a big man. I was certainly no Rodriguez “honk” but I could at least recognize his ability in this area. The fact that he couldn’t defend, shoot well from outside or be a serious threat to score in the paint doesn’t negate the fact that the kid has one bonafide NBA skill. He just needs to find a coach who believes in him and doesn’t care much about defense…like, Paul Westphal?

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure, yeah

I’ve been saying for years he’d be a great D’Antoni PG.

I still say his weaknesses are bigger than his one (cool) strength, though, but hey, whatcha gone do.

by Marvin100 on Nov 7, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

What drove me nuts last night

and continues to be a glaring issue, is a lack of taking advantage of mismatches.

Exhibit A last night: For long stretches you have LA being covered by Richard Jefferson…the team didn’t even look his direction.

by Knobby on Nov 7, 2009 1:37 PM PST reply actions  

This will happen..

Once Dre gets more familiar with our strengths (and time on the court). Consistently recognizing and exxploiting mis-matches is one of the last traits a championship offense develops, so it’d be nice to think we’re there.

by Visionary2 on Nov 7, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions  

The thing that bugs me is the shooting slump

We’ve been pretty sluggish but the lack of good shots and the misses are painful. We’re throwing up some garbage. Don’t you think we’re going to heat up here at some point? Rudy and Miller can barely make a granny shot but they’ll heat up. LMA’s going to break out here too. I liked the way we threw the kitchen sink at’em. We have good depth. Teams cames out gunning for us but they can’t keep it up and I expect we’ll get them back before long. Sorry for the cliches but I generally like what I see except for the poor shooting.

by oregonslee on Nov 7, 2009 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

kix pix?

what happened to my favorite Ben addition, the sneaker pictures?!!?!

by ItsMrHarris2u on Nov 7, 2009 2:16 PM PST reply actions  

I thought the same thing this morning!

Show me the shoes!

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

RipCity jerseys FTW

Why are there always so many more people here than on the Nuggets site? Rudy deserved more minutes.

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by LACK on Nov 7, 2009 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

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