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Game 6 Recap: Blazers 96, Spurs 84

Ladies and gentlemen, before tonight's game begins we would like to announce that the part of the Portland Trail Blazers will be played by the San Antonio Spurs.  Please enjoy the show!

 

Portland didn't play a flawless game but they played better tonight than they have the last couple games.  San Antonio, on the other hand, adopted most of Portland's nasty early-season habits.  They didn't get back in transition, they turned the ball over, they got outhustled, they settled for jumpers and one-on-one moves, they fouled rather than defend.  It was like looking in the mirror for the Blazers...and having Ruth Buzzi's face stare back.  Fortunately the Blazers made more like Goldie Hawn.  And there you go.

The game started with a surprise twist.  Coach McMillan stuck Andre Miller into the starting lineup as he had been hinting at all day.  That wasn't the twist though.  Miller replaced Martell Webster with Brandon Roy sliding to small forward and Steve Blake playing off-guard.  Miller had primary responsibility for setting the offense, Roy took his share of plays, and Blake played the facilitator on the wing, getting the ball to attackers and being available for the kickback three.  Along with the smaller lineup came an emphasis on foot movement on defense and vertical speed on offense.  Against a plodding Spurs effort it worked wonders in the first quarter.  The Blazers played the passing lanes, close-guarded dribblers, shut down the interior with their big men, rebounded the ball, and ran.  San Antonio couldn't keep up with the early offense.  Portland was still jumper-heavy but they worked for shots off of the pass and spiced up the attack with some drives.  Caught flat-footed the Spurs spotted the Blazers a 29-14 lead after the first quarter.  The only thing that marred the period was Greg Oden getting two fouls in the first four minutes, stopping what was looking to be a dominant night.

Portland's second unit tried to keep the parade going in the second quarter.  They got some decent looks for Travis Outlaw but they couldn't stop Richard Jefferson on the other end.  Drifting along with an offense that was slowly drifting farther outside, the reserves started losing ground.  The starters rotated back into the game as the period progressed and Aldridge, Miller, and Oden provided some make-good points.  But the Spurs outscored the Blazers by 4 in the quarter.  The most significant development of the period was Tony Parker twisting his ankle and leaving the game at the 2:35 mark.  He would not return, which make a Spurs comeback highly unlikely.

The third period was an offensive nightmare for both teams.  The Blazers had a two-minute stretch of attacking basketball around the 8 minute mark.  Other than that the Blazers started holding the ball, dribbling in place, walking up the court, going one-on-one, and shooting jumpers...the tragic litany that has brought so much offensive woe this season.  Fortunately for Portland the Spurs were no better.  Like chicks everywhere they seemed to fall in love with the long ball.  Though they were open for most of the attempts, they whiffed worse than a tee ball team facing Mariano Rivera, missing 7 shots of 20 feet or longer in the quarter.  Their unbridled optimism kept their point total for the period at 18...a significant relief to the Blazers who scored only 17 themselves.

The Blazers were treading water offensively for much of the fourth while the Spurs re-discovered the rim.  The tattered remains of Portland's lead shrunk like a sweater in the dryer, fading to just three points with 5:37 remaining following two Spurs layups and four Spurs free throws.  You could hear the Rose Garden muttering and Johnsonville Brats being flung at high-def screens everywhere.  (Note for future self:  that cheese filling is really hard to scrape off of tiny pixels.)  That's about the time Brandon Roy said, "Huh-uh."  And the Spurs said, "Whaaat?"  Then Brandon hit a tough 20-footer followed by a 50% conversion at the free throw line the next possession.  And San Antonio was all like, "You best step back!"  And Brandon was all, "Maybe I will!"  But instead of dropping back for the three he drove the lane and when the Spurs swarmed him he lofted it to Greg Oden for an easy layup.  And the Spurs said, "Oh no you didn't!"   And Brandon was like, "Heck yeah I did!  I did it, I filmed it, I got it on America's Funniest Home Videos, I won the $10,000, I took a trip to Jamaica, I got me a souvenir, I came back, washed my clothes, hung ‘em out to dry, put them back on, shined my shoes, walked back here, got all up in your face, and I did it again!"  Meanwhile as they were having this dialogue Steve Blake hit an open three to put the Blazers up by 6 again with 2:38 left.  At that point, with the Blazers keeping their late-game heads screwed on straight, it was all over but the catch-up foul shooting.

Despite the regression late in the game after the hot start the Blazers did several things well in this game.  They hit the boards hard and didn't concede misses to the Spurs.  They defended the interior strongly for almost all of the game, particularly when Oden was in.  They matched the Spurs free throw for free throw, shooting them better to end up +7 on the night from the stripe.  They eschewed the three in favor of working for better shots.  Only 17 of 74 attempts came from distance...about 22% as opposed to the near 33% we've seen in some of their games.   Overall they held the Spurs to 38% by taking away most of their easy looks.  As we said, Portland pushed the tempo for a sustained stretch of the first period, the first time we've really seen that this year.  Most of all the spacing was better at both ends of the floor tonight than we've seen it all season.  That alone made the team look at least 50% better.

The question will arise, "Is this version of the three-guard lineup the answer?"  Tonight it was, but this was a good opponent against whom to employ it.  I don't foresee Miller-Blake-Roy being a permanent starting lineup.  Even though the defense looked better and everyone was devoting more energy we still saw Miller and Blake get beat a bunch.  It didn't lead to points because of the combination of Blazer interior defense and the Spurs packing a couple of non-scoring guards, but it was there.  When the Blazers run up against teams that field shooting guards more dangerous than Keith Bogans--which is pretty close to everybody in the league--that lineup isn't going to hold.  Whoever guards the point will get broken down and whoever guards the shooting guard will get run over.  Even tonight that lineup didn't last long when Manu Ginobili entered the game.  It's a decent situational look but not more.

On the other hand the smaller, centerless lineup did a much better defensive job tonight than we saw in the last couple of games.  They packed the middle and dared the Spurs to shoot deep.  That's pretty much what you want.

Those who complain about Nate being controlling and never wanting the team to run will be happy to know that ESPN put a microphone on the huddles tonight...microphones which clearly caught him imploring the team to keep the flow going and the tempo up.  The network also interviewed Nate after the third period and he was discouraged that the team had resumed, as he put it, "pounding the ball".  This isn't the first time that the huddle cam has caught him asking the guys to move more either. 

Good effort and victory aside, it doesn't feel like the Blazers are out of the woods yet.  Key players had sub-standard games.  Portland couldn't retain the lead or its energy.  The offense fell apart as quickly as it had come together and Brandon Roy had to bail us out again.  The win is what matters, of course, but the team hasn't arrived yet.  A lesson to take from the Spurs' performance is that they, too, are struggling integrating new players.  If the consummate veteran, system-oriented, clockwork team looks choppy in that situation you can perhaps understand the Blazers appearing likewise.  These are going to be spring teams more than fall teams.  It happens.

Individual Notes

Greg Oden had his best game of the season, scoring 14 on 6 of 9 shooting, hitting hooks and spin moves, hustling for rebounds, blocking 4 shots, shutting down the interior, and making Tim Duncan look small and somewhat slow.  Best of all he played 25 minutes and only drew his 5th foul late.  The ESPN announcers couldn't say enough about him.  Great job.

LaMarcus Aldridge didn't seem to be able to take smaller defenders, posting infrequently even when Oden was out of the game.  His turn-around jumper wasn't falling and he shot 3-10 for 8 points and 5 rebounds in 34 minutes.  You don't mind LaMarcus feeling his way against the league's elite, but when he has a 6'7" guy on his back you want him to score.

Brandon Roy shot well, going 9-15 for 24 points with 5 rebounds.  He looked more confident in his teammates and more relaxed in his own offense as well.  The Spurs couldn't stop him any more than they could stop Oden.  He's too gifted and they don't have that kind of perimeter defender anymore.  Good, solid Brandon game.

Andre Miller responded to his starting role with zest and assurance.  He was barking at some teammates, directing traffic, and spreading the ball around.  He got a couple of steals but don't let that fool you about his overall defense.  Had the interior guys not been so stalwart tonight the San Antonio guards would have lit us up.  Contrast this to the defense the San Antonio guards played on our guards, especially in the first half, and you'll see the difference between defense and offensive point guards.  On the other hand Andre's 4 assists don't tell the story of what he did for the offense.  He really engineered the Portland energy out there tonight, which was something the Spurs guards couldn't match.  Miller shot 2-9.  That was only a concern once the Spurs caught on to the fact that in a Blake-Miller-Roy-Big Guy lineup for Portland they want Blake or Miller attempting the shot.   That didn't happen until the second half and by then it was too late.  Overall it was a great performance by Andre...the kind of thing the Blazers were looking for with this signing.

Steve Blake shot 3-5 from the three-point arc and finished with 15 overall plus 6 rebounds, 2 assists, and a steal of his own.  He looked completely comfortable in his shooting guard role...maybe more so than as the initiator.  He was great as the next-to-the-last man in the setup cycle.  His job was to make a pass and then set up for the return if it came.  Those tasks are solidly within the parameters his résumé.   Copy and paste what we said about Miller's defense into Blake's category, but then the Blazers weren't looking to ratchet up the defense with this lineup.  A nice game from Blake.

Joel Przybilla did what he was supposed to:  spell Oden, collect 13 rebounds in 18 minutes, guard the interior.  OK...that 13 rebounds in 18 minutes was above and beyond the call.  Joel brought nice energy tonight too.  It seemed like he knew the team needed a lift and he was one of the cadre of players who brought it.  Applause all around.

Travis Outlaw played 24 minutes, played some suspect defense, but stayed within himself with 4-9 shots (and the misses were mostly good attempts) for 9 points.  I liked his offensive game tonight better than some games where he's scored 15.  He was mostly compact and aggressive, which is good Travis.

Martell Webster only got 13 minutes tonight and looked somewhat lost except for the bright, shining moment when he rammed home a Rudy Fernandez missed three at the end of the first quarter.  It was a beautiful dunking put-back that would make Jerome Kersey proud and the timing was everything you envision while counting down to yourself at your backyard hoop.  Let's hope Martell doesn't wander too far into the wilderness.

If Martell looks lost, perhaps it's because he's setting out to find what happened to Rudy Fernandez.  Rudy couldn't get any farther lost if he jumped onboard a moon base after a freak nuclear explosion sent it hurtling from orbit and out into space to meet a bunch of mind-messing aliens who always appear in small, dark rooms with horrific makeup.  Rudy was 1-5 tonight with 1 glorious assist and a block but no continuity at either end.  He only got 12 minutes.  Come back, Rudy!  Come back!

Jerryd Bayless got 5 minutes tonight straddling the first and second quarter line.  There were a couple of impressive hues to his game.  For one, he was actually able to stay in front of the offensive player he was assigned to most of the time.  Second he was aggressive on offense and drew some foul shots, moving quickly and decisively without over-thinking his moves.  However he still didn't evidence much point-guardedness, making a couple of glaring mistakes in his short tenure.  He may be a partial answer to the Blazers' difficulties but he can't be the only point guard out there, which seriously hampers his potential for us right now.  Still learning though.

Juwan Howard got the infamous quintillion stat line tonight.  1 minute followed by 15 zeros. 

Final Thoughts

The most important thing about this win is not the victory itself (though that was important enough) but the chance the victory gives to do something really nice on Sunday against Minnesota.  With a two-game winning streak in hand the Blazers are free to go 3-2 on the upcoming road trip while still winning 5 of their last 7.  4-1 would be even more special and would certainly herald a pronounced upswing of the kind we are seeking.  Follow this up and everything's good.  Minnesota's a team against which you can use some funky backcourt lineups as well...

Oh, and those retro "Rip City" unis look pretty cool.

Boxscore

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Oden outplayed Duncan

So awesome to say that.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

the crowd was so into it

Every time Oden got the ball and backed Duncan down.

by blazingjim on Nov 7, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

The only time they were louder

In a similar situation is when Bayless came in.

We want both of them to be successful.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 7, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

A unintentionally humorous comment from Kevin Calabro on ESPN

he mistook the crowd cheering for Jerryd’s inaugural entrance as the fans showing their appreciation towards Miller as Andre went to the bench

Calabro >>> any of the Blazer broadcasters, BTW. If Larry Miller has any foresight (or cajones) he’ll make Kevin an offer he can’t refuse and put Mike Rice out to pasture

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 9:54 AM PST up reply actions  

HA

Timmy’s cybernetic knee is cheating..

by fronterapdx on Nov 7, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Moment of the nigth for me at the RG

The gasp when Oden put up that jumper vs. Duncan early (everyone assuming he would miss assuming me) and the huge roar when it went in.

Well that and the Martell put back.

Oh and my new Roy jersey is 1-0. :-)

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:56 PM PST reply actions  

Blake's 3-pointer with 2:30 in the 4th and the Spurs within 3

Was actually the game changer. As much as Roy’s long 2 helped. That was a HUGE three. Roy was looking to take it all on himself—it was nice to see Blakey clutch.

by blazingjim on Nov 7, 2009 12:02 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed. If he hits threes, he's useful.

(when he’s cold from deep, though, watch out.)

by Marvin100 on Nov 7, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions  

you can say that about any player

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 7, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions  

But especially from someone who doesn't really create for others.

Luckily, Blake shoots a good percentage and he is careful with the ball so he doesn’t hurt you that way. If Rudy (when healthy) is cold from deep, he can help with his great passing and steals. When Roy is cold, obviously he can still break down the defense and make plays.

If Blake isn’t hitting his 3’s consistently, he doesn’t give a lot else aside from being a ballhandler who won’t turn the ball over much. That isn’t an insult against Blake, it’s just what his game is.

Morty

by Mortimer on Nov 7, 2009 12:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That's sounds a lot more like Webster than Blake

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 7, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions  

?

Webster plays (for now) our best perimeter defense, can get out and run and finish well, can rebound…

What does Blake do, if in the game with Roy and Miller, when his shot isn’t falling?

M==

by Mortimer on Nov 7, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions  

Webster can do that but he isnt consistent

not by a long shot, it’s why he got pulled in Houston. And looking at him last night, when his shot wasn’t falling he looked lost. On the other hand he did look good against Denver, I think that third foul they called on him should have been charging.

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 7, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions  

??? I thought the same thing..

Webster has a complete different skill set than Blake. Even if he’s not hitting shots, he plays the best perimeter D on the team (minus Batum), rebounds, runs out on the break. I don’t think too many would consider him a ballhandler either…

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions  

Maybe the best alongside Bayless as defenders

Marty needs Bayless to help contain the quick small guards. Bayless needs Marty to help contain the big guards and 3s. Having them both together with Joel on the 2nd unit should at least get some stops. Now they and Rudy need to get some buckets and we still might have a good bench unit.

But maybe you see it differently?

"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster

by lee3022 on Nov 7, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually you're right about Andre Miller

The guy can’t shoot or defend to save his life

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 7, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions  

you can say that about any player

No, I wouldn’t say that about players who have more to offer, like defense, passing, leadership, getting to the foul line, etc.

Steve Blake is amazing. Love him. The guy is a competitor and has gotten an awful lot out of his skill set. But it’s a limited one.

by Marvin100 on Nov 7, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions  

but you could say that about Rudy

even though Fernandez brings “more” to the floor than Blake, if his 3-ball isn’t falling he gets 11 minutes, instead of 25+

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

reminds me of when

Bush came to the White House following the Clinton administration and the ‘W’ keys were missing on all the PC keyboards

(true story)

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Actually, Not True

Never happened. A poltically useful rumour that had no evidence to support it – I remember the GAO report a year later that debunked that story.

by stax o' wax on Nov 9, 2009 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

i'm still concerned

but this is a good time to go on record saying I still expect the Blazers to be good this season.

Ultimately, however – I expect the Blazers to be good because of Roy, LMA, Oden, Webster, Fernandez, Outlaw, Blake, Miller and Bayless – in that order.

I’m still mystified by the rotations, still wondering if the contributions of Rudy, Webster and Bayless will be recognized – and hopeful that Nate will stop pandering to three guards simultaneously.

If I’m proved wrong about Nate – I’ll be the first to admit it. I hope I am. I hope I am. I hope I am.

Nice to see Bayless on the court. Nice to see him passing on the fast break, even if it wasn’t real successful. Nice to see him defending (am I the only one that thought that blocking foul was completely ludicrous?) Nice to see him doing what he does well. Go to the rim, young grasshopper.

Odin.

Roy passing to Odin off the dribble penetration.

LMA scoring off the Rudy feed.

Roy being the man.

Loved those parts.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 12:12 AM PST reply actions  

This game in one photo

When it was all said and done, the Blazers didn’t quite let the Spurs get up fully off the mat:

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by skywaker9 on Nov 7, 2009 12:14 AM PST reply actions  

Rip City Alternate Jerseys = Win!

Nice game also :)

"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."

by jebuz on Nov 7, 2009 12:16 AM PST reply actions  

I’ve said my piece in the post game thread. This was a win against an opponent on a back to back that couldn’t hit a jump shot and had a star player leave in the second quarter. We played a gimmicky lineup that really isn’t good on the offensive or defensive end. Hopefully we see less of it… as in none. Going small when your biggest advantage is size makes no sense to me.

Anyhoo, Bayless’ handle looked better tonight. In summer league, it seemed that the ball was moving and Bayless was struggling to keep up with it. It felt like he had a little better balance and control.

He is a better option for the small lineup than Steve.

That young lion is pretty good.

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Nov 7, 2009 12:27 AM PST reply actions  

i feel the same way

i’m glad to have the win, and it looks like the guys are a bit more comfortable playing together, however your right…its a gimmicky lineup (one that hasn’t worked all year in the middle of the game).

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions  

And with some easy teams coming up

I worry we might attribute the wins to the gimmicky lineup, and not just that we’re much more talented than a team like Minnysota.

I do understand why Nate did it though, and it’s not just pandering to all 3 guards… it’s to have 3 ballhandlers on the floor to ensure we can run and keep it under control. Martell isn’t a good ballhandler still, not a point forward, so I see why he took him out even if I don’t really like it.

One problem with it is that Blake is not good at pushing tempo or making plays on the break, at all. And he’s also not going to make anyone worry about him running and filling a lane and finishing— just the opposite. But, obviously, he is a good, careful ballhandler who can run without turning the ball over like maybe Martell or Outlaw would.

And I hate complaining about Blake, and he did well tonight making his shots. But if he isn’t playing PG next to Roy, and we’re trying to go up tempo, he’s not likely the best option to be out there. He will get abused by any decent SG on defense, and you only have to guard him for the outside shot on offense. If Rudy was healthy, I’d hope we’d see him out there instead even though he isn’t a good iso ballhandler… he’s still good enough to dribble the ball upcourt on the break, and he’s a MUCH better passer than Blake. He can fulfill the Blake role of passing and shooting that he did as the SG tonight better… if healthy.

Plus Rudy’s awesome off-the-ball game inspires more ball movement, more cutting, a more dynamic offense. Unfortunately, he doesn’t look right out there, and despite him saying his back is fine it doesn’t look like it is. Wouldn’t be the first time an athlete downplayed an injury, after all. The lineup as is worked tonight, but as long as we’re doing a gimmicky 3 guard lineup, I’d rather it be Rudy.

Otherwise, I’d just much rather go with the traditional PG/SG/SF lineup, with Martell starting again. I prefer Miller as the starting PG as well, with Blake subbing in early for him, but that is Nate’s decision— just decide one way or the other and let’s get a’ goin’. If it ends up being Blake, we all should just accept it and live with it.

I can see some saying “well what’s it matter, we use this 3 guard lineup against teams with 1 or more weak perimeter players, and use the more standard lineup against good teams, it’s no biggie dude”… since we’ve had such a tough time getting everyone’s games to mesh, does a changing/situational starting lineup sound like the way to get everyone used to the other?

And against the upcoming weak teams, we can more easily afford to again suffer through the growing pains of our main guys trying to adjust to each other. I know some are hesitant to diminish Blake’s role on the team, and Miller hasn’t been gangbusters (his shooting percentage is awful), but he is a much better PG overall. He is a very talented and versatile player. He simply is more talented and gives you more, and we should figure out how to get that out of him.

If you put him in the Blake role and wonder why he doesn’t look good… it’s a no brainer. He isn’t a shooter. He’s a dynamic slasher/playmaker. Those are very nice to have. He played with a Roy-esque player in Iguodala in Philly, and he can do it again with the extremely Roy-esque Brandon Roy here in Portlandia.

It is worth figuring out.

And if it STILL doesn’t work, we got Blake sitting right there and we can go back to the old way for another year. Fine with me. I just think we should use the softness in the upcoming stretch to get everyone used to each other and really establish our starting lineup and rotation.

We can be really damn good.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Nov 7, 2009 1:05 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Miller played harder and sharper as a starter...

He played scrappier on defense and with a greater sense of purpose on offense. If starting Miller is what needs to be done to get him to play well, then I’m fine with starting him. His ability and willingess to get the ball to Oden in the post is enough to win me over.

I don’t get starting Blake either… seems like Rudy can do everything that Blake is doing with that starting unit and more. Maybe Rudy’s injury is a reason? Maybe Blake has incriminating photos of McMillan that he will leak t the press if Blake doesn’t get his way.

by PoliSam on Nov 7, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions  

And he’s also not going to make anyone worry about him running and filling a lane and finishing— just the opposite

But Blake can kick the ball ahead then run to a spot up position behind the 3 point line in transition, similar to what Rudy does. A kick-out 3 ball dagger off the fast break is a devastating “new school” NBA weapon

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The line up looked good

And this was the line up that got the game back under control after San Antonio came back on us. I doubt that our starting line up will be the same between turkey day and Christmas.

Webster will probably work his way back in there, he just needs to get his game legs back, he did miss an entire season, I expect some inconsistency from him early. In the meantime I am happy with this line up

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by PDXBuckeye on Nov 8, 2009 9:36 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

The small lineup will be a problem against bigger more ahletic teams, but we could get away with it here.

The Spurs best players are guards and a center. That enabled us to play mostly guards and a center. Teams with scoring forwards will be an issue for this lineup. It doesn’t say much about the future, but against some weaker opponents, it might be a good way to integrate Miller.

I’m as surprised as anyone that Nate went this route. I didn’t think those three together was particularly good, but again it has a lot to do with the opponent. It is also important that Oden and LMA are on the floor with that group. Playing three guards with no center was disastrous against the Hawks. Oden also played a great game on both ends, which kept the inside threat alive, taking some pressure off the guards. Now the question becomes; who will line up when we play Carmelo/Labron and the other guys Roy can’t guard, because he is giving up too much size? The Bobcats with Wallace, Diaw and Chandler will present similar problems as the Hawks, for the small lineup, so my guess is; we have three more games where we might get away with this, and then we will either switch for Charlotte and Atlanta, or see one of our guards sub out quickly after starting those games.

Kudos to Nate at least for saying “screw you” to everyone who is trying to tell him who to start including just about everyone on BE and me.

by wingzeta on Nov 7, 2009 1:08 AM PST reply actions  

Now the question becomes; who will line up when we play Carmelo/Labron and the other guys Roy can’t guard, because he is giving up too much size?

Nate has no answer for those scenarios, on his current roster. If KP doesn’t make a deal at the deadline, the Blazers will have to “get by” with improved team defense, but they’ll probably lose in the playoffs against Denver, or L*A. (The Spurs will have a better post season “answer” for Portland as well, if they can keep all of their veterans healthy)

Batum will grow up and get healthy and eventually be the starting SF again, but we shouldn’t expect too much from Nic, this spring

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Martell was more than adequate against Melo

and more than likely better than anyone practicably available via trade

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions  

41 points from Anthony is not "more than adequate"

I’m not down on Webster, I certainly like him defending SFs more than Roy. But I’m not going to count on Martell slowing down an elite SF in a playoff series. And Portland isn’t going to get enough scoring out of their SF position to offset big games from opponents with small forwards like Melo and James

“anyone practicably available” can fluctuate from month to month, in the NBA. KP needs to keep his feelers out and his options open

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

The problem was Roy guarding Melo in the 4th, while Webster was on the bench,

because we were playing a three guard lineup with Rudy, because Rudy was shooting well that game. It left us with no defense though, and the Melo toasted us.

by wingzeta on Nov 8, 2009 2:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate could've left Martell on Melo

And Anthony would’ve just fouled him out. Without Batum, the Blazers are vulnerable against scoring SFs with size…I think their best defender against Melo might actually be LMA, but the team only has one quality PF so that’s not an option

unless…KP makes a deal to acquire a decent backup PF? Hmmmm

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by two4larue on Nov 8, 2009 4:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe Martell would have fouled out

But you can’t criticize “more than adequate” as you did by citing 41 points from Anthony.

19 points of those 41 came in the fourth, almost entirely defended by Roy. So 22 points in 3 quarters defended by Martell, and 19 in one quarter defended by Brandon. Sounds like Martell was more than adequate.

Melo was on fire, Martell made him earn what he got when he was in the game. It was excellent defense.

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by jscot on Nov 9, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions  

bq. Kudos to Nate at least for saying "screw you" to everyone who is trying to tell him who to start including just about everyone on BE and me.

This is exactly what I thought after the win, as well. Many of us had been blasting Nate about the 3G lineup. It’s pretty obvious we are just armchair QBs and that’s why Nate is a head coach in the NBA. I don’t see it as a long term solution but if we are indeed going to trade Miller (I hope not), this should raise his profile. He at least gets the opportunity to show he’s still got it.

The other interesting part was that many of us have been wanting B-Rex to get some run. Lo’ and Behold!

Nate reads BE! :)

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions  

That'll show those dumb fans that who the boss is

Oh wait, that includes me. Did I just get Nate-slapped?

by xedubx on Nov 7, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

awesome!

I think a lot of us got Nate-slapped!

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know why my original comment didn't block-quote the first line?

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Ruth Buzzi?

THAT made me snort. I haven’t thought of her since I was kid.

by Corvid on Nov 7, 2009 1:16 AM PST reply actions  

maybe she could wack Nate with her purse?

if he keeps getting ideas and “making advances” towards playing gimmicky small ball lineups?

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

BTW, some of Monty Python's comics, dressed in drag

looked better than Ruth Buzzi

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Why didn't KP draft Blair?

Oh, wait, I think this is the wrong thread for that comment.

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 1:43 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it's a problem

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by jscot on Nov 7, 2009 1:53 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather have the problem

Of figuring out how to get floor spacing with Joel and DeJuan in the game, together

that would’ve been a nice “problem” to have

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

if that's all you remember from Blair last night

was DeJuan getting his shot blocked by Joel, then all I can say is…lots of players get their shot blocked, or get dunked on

but I saw a rookie 2nd round draft choice who’s getting regular PT from Greg Poppovich, and averaging 70% from the floor. That’s not something you see everyday. I also watched DB box out the taller Przy out and snag a defensive rebound, when it was hard for even Duncan to keep Joel off the boards, last night. There was a place for Blair in Portland’s lineup, he certainly would’ve had a bigger impact than Cunningham or Pendergraph this year, and even though he has no ACLs, no one really knows his NBA future.

DeJuan’s “present” looks pretty bright, though

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

DeJuan's veteran teammates don't call him "Rook"

They call him “The Beast.” That’s all you need to know about him. Kudos to Przy for preventing him from going nuts last night. But this guy is as originally projected: a rebounding fiend. I don’t care if Blair’s knees look like Joe Namath’s: the Blazers should have risked one of their second round picks on him. For once, our genius GM flat blew it.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 8, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you know why they made the decision?

If you don’t, how can you evaluate the decision? Ben said that he has it from a rock solid source that even if Blair’s knees were completely sound, he wasn’t on our board. That says there is another reason.

BTW, in regard to 24L’s comment, he’s not at 70% any more, he’s down to 65%. What moved him down? 0-2 against Portland. Now, if missing two shots drops your percentage by 5 points, it tells you all you need to know. Small sample size. His stats to this point are meaningless.

Boxing out Joel tells you a lot more than his stats. Rookies tend to get owned on the boards by players like Joel. So that’s to me a much better indicator of his quality on the floor than his stats after 4-5 games.

Some day, when his career is over, whether that be in 2 months or 20 years, we’ll probably find out why the decision was made. It’s an interesting one.

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by jscot on Nov 9, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Good win

Well Dave, I don’t if this was the “convincing” win you wanted as you mentioned on the podcast (or is it Quipcity??? haha), but I’ll take it. I was hoping we would get this win as we did last season early. I think we should win the next 3 games, which includes home game on Sunday I believe, and yeah 4-1 on the road trip would be nice.

by aneebaba81 on Nov 7, 2009 1:52 AM PST reply actions  

Finally

Oden stayed on the court long enough to look semi-comfortable on the offensive end. It seems like he is trying to go a million miles per hour trying to use all of his new moves in a two minute time frame. This game he was able to slow it down a bit (not much, but enough) to get some good looks where his power actually makes a difference.

We saw a jumper, jump hook, sweeping hook, drop step, etc…

We played much better playing inside out, versus outside in.

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by blazermaniac32 on Nov 7, 2009 5:23 AM PST reply actions  

How is it possible that Blake played more minutes than any other Blazer?

OK. Let me start off with a confession. I didn’t watch the game, only the third one in the last two years. My wife came home from a long trip and I definitely had “other” priorities. In fact, I was so distracted I forgot to set my DVR. Wifey for the win!

Looking at the Boxscore, what leaps out at me is that Blake played more minutes than anyone on the team. How is that possible? By my count, there are at least 8 guys on the team who are better players than Blake. Blake is our second best PG, at least Nate seems to have figured that out for at least one game. But Blake is about our fifth best SG after Roy, Rudy, Bayless, and Webster. What is Nate thinking?

Webster and Rudy are roughly on par with Blake from distance, and both have more size, length and strength. I have been a big Nate supporter, believing that you can’t argue with his results over the past several seasons, but I am definitely scratching my head. Andre is a better distributor. Bayless is a better scorer and a better defender. Webster and Rudy shoot as well and can do other things. Why the heck is Blake playing major minutes?

by upper left corner on Nov 7, 2009 8:33 AM PST reply actions  

I just think Blake is smarter and more experienced than his competitors.

To me, Blakie starting says more about what Nate thinks of Martell, Rudy, and Bayless’ decision making and energy on the defensive perimeter than it does Blake himself. We all know Steve is a an awesome competitor and CLUTCH shooter.

Nate hates turnovers (which lead to easy transition buckets) and wants to see smart defense. I think this lineup is his ‘smartest’ current starting lineup. When Batum gets back and in the flow that may very well change. Also, I think Rudy could eventually oust Blake in the starting lineup but just isn’t consistent yet. Bayless is still working on his jump shot (can you imagine Miller and Bayless together? oof…) and Martell can’t guard point guards. Blake did a good job on Parker early. Good enough.

Nate. Nate. Nate...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 7, 2009 9:08 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't give Nate that much credit

Martell has been very good in his minutes, and Rudy needs minutes. I’d personally rate both their BBIQs higher than Blakes.

Unfortunately, and this is just my opinion based on what I can read and hear, I think Nate panders to seniority and guards – especially senior point guards.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Marty's BBIQ > than Blake's?

not so sure about that. Blake is pretty heady and doesn’t make mistakes and take risks. I seem to remember Nate making a comment about Blake a couple years ago about being his ‘coach on the floor’. It was Marty’s athleticism and potential that got him into the NBA at 19, not his BBIQ…It was Blake’s BBIQ that got him into Maryland and subsequently the NBA…

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

If you had watched the game

you wouldn’t complain. Blake was a key part the whole way through the game.

by GMan83201 on Nov 7, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

well, if you are in the "trade Blake ASAP" camp

you should be hoping that Nate is under orders from the front office to “showcase” Blake for a impending trade!

But I suspect the opposite. Steve is Nate’s glue guy and he’s in there to help “facilitate” the bonding of Roy and Miller. If this is successful, Blake may “work his way” out of the starting PG job by training his “replacement” We’ll see. The “goal” should be to get the ball to Greg at the beginning of games, and Andre is essential to making this happen. OTOH, Blake is a floor-spreader and a comforting “baby blanket” for Nate and Brandon

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Roy had a nice pass to Odin for a layin

and Rudy a nice feed to LMA for a dunk. That kind of setup for the bigs is possible at any point in the game, and needs to be a staple for all the guards

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions  

It's always possible

but it wasn’t always happening. One of the biggest criticisms of the Blazer guards was that they weren’t able to make post entry passes to the Blazer big men near the basket area, especially off the dribble. I think this is the main reason that KP pursued Hedo last July, because Turk was very successful at running the PnR with Howard and dumping a pass into the center as he rolled to the basket.

Miller is a different kind of player than Hedo, but his ability to make lob passes to his teammates is legendary. The probelm is, how much was Andre going to play with Greg if Oden started, then drew a few fouls and was on the bench when Miller came into the game at the 6-8 minute mark of each half? The best way to ensure Greg and Andre being on the court together more, it’s necessary to start them both, or bring them off the bench at the same time (which Nate actually tried against Atlanta, in the second half!) I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Oden had his “best game yet” on the first night that Miller started. Here’s hoping we’ll see more good things from these two “hooking up” in the weeks ahead

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

shooting...

neither Webster or Rudy were shooting well or even getting decent looks, for that matter.

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Webster at 1-4 shot better than Miller

I might puke if I ever see Miller take anything but a desperation 3, again

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh

and the one shot Webster hit? Instant classic.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 7, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Regardless of the win im still not happy with the team

We almost blew the lead without tony parker… this lineup is fools gold and McMillan needs to resign

Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!

by CroRupt on Nov 7, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

It was telling hearing ESPN talk about the Spurs' challenge integrating new players

Here’s the great, veteran Spurs squad struggling thanks to the challenge of integrating McDyess & Bass—a couple of BACK-UP FORWARDS! Meanwhile, many Blazer fans can’t understand the struggles of their young team to integrate a new point guard (currently coming off the bench but the eventual starter), a returning small forward who just missed an entire season, a transformed center who now requires feeding in the low post, a new back-up power forward, a missing starting small forward, etc.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 7, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions  

Bass is on the Orlando Magic!

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by clinchmobb on Nov 7, 2009 4:11 PM PST up reply actions  

or maybe he meant Blair?

but they’ve gotta fit RJ in as well, and Manu didn’t play as much last year, either

I’m not worried about the Spurs, though. Roy and Miller need time to gel, and my concern was that they weren’t going to get enough PT “overlap” to do this with Brandon starting and Andre coming in off the bench.

It took Nate 5 regular season games, but I think he realized it as well

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by two4larue on Nov 7, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions  

My favorite moment in the game . . . .

Was with Travis, Andre, Steve in the game together on offense Travis drifted out of the corner and Steve, on that side, motioned him back there. The ball was swung to Travis for his only made 3 at a timely moment. If occurred to me that with Roy, Andre and Steve in the game together they will always have one on each side of the floor to hold the others to proper spacing. That may not show up on the stat sheer but you do refer to the better spacing and this one play illustrates that very well.,

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by lee3022 on Nov 7, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions  

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