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Once Oden came back into the game

San Antonio ceased to get easy inside shots…nuff said

by j dubya on Nov 6, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He's had some better games

Best on national TV in a big game though, at least as far as I can remember.

by Mortimer on Nov 6, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not statistic wise

but in terms of impacting the game of both ends of the floor. easily his best game against the best competition…

by wackybrak on Nov 6, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thoroughly impressed with Greg.

Head to head with Timmy and he held his own and then some.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Kept taking it right to him offensively

with very positive results. Last year he doesn’t do that.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He can get position for that hook every time down court

Even when it looks awkward, it’s a very high percentage shot.

His spin back when Duncan was shading him to the right was sweet also.

by Mortimer on Nov 6, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That one bad turnover Roy had, Oden was wide open for a fastbreak alley oop.

Woulda brought the house down.

by Mortimer on Nov 6, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Duncan was giving him a spin to his left hand most of the night...

Glad to see he recognized it eventually and capitalized….

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When he drew those two early fouls I got worried.

But then they stopped attacking him when GO got back in the game.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice win

I knew we could do it.

And we STILL made it a helluva lot tougher than it needed to be.

I love our team.

by Mortimer on Nov 6, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Just hope that we don't see this starting

lineup for too many games. Perhaps Hate I mean Nate is trying to light a fire under Webster and Rudy, cause they can’t be happy with playing 13 and 12 minutes.

by VinnyB on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it's just a steady transition to ease Miller into the starting lineup

Nate changed the lineup with great results and he deserves much credit for it.

I too worry about its longterm effectiveness, but it worked.

EVERYTHING will seem like it works when Oden is being effective though.

by Mortimer on Nov 6, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing

It’s just that we have more talented players deserving of PT.

by xedubx on Nov 6, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Webster: 1-4, 4 pts, 1 rebound, 1 steal, 1 turnover.
Rudy: 1-5, 3 pts, 1 assist, 1 block.
Outlaw: 4-9, 9 pts, 3 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, 2 turnovers.
Blake: 4-7, 15 pts, 6 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 turnover.

You tell ME which one of those guys deserves PT the most.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's see how they all do in equal minutes before making that judgment. I'm not surprised Blake "outperformed" the rest, with Outlaw second.

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by Mr. Knox on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

cause and effect.

If any of the others would have played well, they would have played more.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying that.

But now that you mention it, Blake is playing more consistently than Rudy this year.

Rudy is shooting 38% this year (26% from 3 point range) and overall just looks out of sorts. Aside from his game against Denver, he’s been downright dismal.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You can expect that from a player who doesn't know his role...

Nate is trying to make him into a playmaker, and he isn’t ready for that yet. Rudy will make plays organically, but force feeding him the ball and telling him to create for others isn’t going to work. And if you really want to screw with him, bench him/play him limited minutes because he isn’t able to do so.

The reason Rudy is valuable to this team is because he can play away from the ball. With two legit point guards, and an all star sg that thrives with shooters around him, Rudy could be used way better than he has been so far.

Oh ya, he also suffered from a back injury and missed the last half of the preseason because of it. It will take him time to get his rhythm back….

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

rudy found his fair share of open teammates who couldnt make their basket.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I love his passing ability.

by lethaldose on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

At worst he is a great backup PG.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

For what?

I’d like to see this team play a little before we discuss shipping members out.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We're still thin at backup 4

And our backcourt D is horrid. i don’t think that problem goes away by hanging onto Outlaw and Blake.

by xedubx on Nov 6, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But then we have issues with scoring depth

and who plays backup PG? Bayless? Yikes.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think scoring is least of our concerns at this point

How much offensive punch does a standstill 3 point shooter generate? Outlaw, I get. But, you’re going to have hard time justifying Blake as a superior scoring option to Rudy, Bayless, or even Howard.

Since Roy likes having the ball so much, he can set up the offense, Rudy can do a bit as well. Plus, just because we are trading for perimeter defender doesn’t mean that option is necessarily worse than Blake at passing the ball or creating offense. It is much more likely that incoming player for Blake + Outlaw, let’s say Hinrich for example, would be superior in those facets as well as defense.

by xedubx on Nov 7, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i hated outlaw thru the years

but i like his role this year…i wouldnt mind keeping him if hes comfortable with his reduced role

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i dont think he does well with limited minutes

and he hasn’t stepped up this year without being next to roy.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blake hit a HUGE 3 down the stretch...

he may not be what you want at pg, but he certainly is no scrub. The guy hits some big shots.

by JasonT on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So does Rudy.

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by Mr. Knox on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not tonight, either of them

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Nov 7, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

when I first saw it I thought it had to do with the Spurs

best perimeter player coming off the bench, allowing Webster more time to matchup with him.

But watching the game, all I could think about was how awkward we looked with Rudy out there.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Frankly I don't care who is playing

so long as it works. And it worked tonight. Also, notice how the offense stalled when Rudy came in? I’m trying to figure that man out…

Webster has looked good though.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH

A three-pointer is not a "triple." A triple is a hit in baseball.
A three-pointer is not a "trey." A trey is either an ESPN sportscaster or something that bad spellers eat cafeteria food on. - Dave on Mar 20, 2009 10:00 PM PDT
A trey is actually a playing card or die or domino having three pips. - pipgras on July 31, 2009 9:22 PM PDT

by GustyJ on Nov 6, 2009 10:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We know Oden can hang.

When will Nate finally have some confidence in him?

by Pax on Nov 6, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not sure what you are talking about

They went to Greg time and time against under Nate’s direction.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg played well

and Nate went with him. It’s when Greg stumbles that Nate (at least up to this point) immediately yanks him. You know what I’m talking about. When Nate leaves Greg in to play through any difficulties, then we’ll know he has confidence in him.

by Pax on Nov 6, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He did

In the third Oden had some sloppy turnovers and rough showings on both ends of the court. Left him in and it worked out.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Oden’s patience in that fourth quarter stretch was out of this world good. He was just taking his time and waiting for blocks or rebounds, not forcing himself into a bad situation. Good job, and finally some made free throws all around. Feel good game, with a minor scare that was quickly brisked away by the bouncers in white.

Bring the bling to Rip City, Natch'

Trade John Canzano!

by richardb on Nov 6, 2009 10:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff, but I don't like this

Blake: 39 minutes
Rudy: 12 minutes

by CleBlazer on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what that means

he got lucky we won so he won’t get second-guessed by us amateurs? Makes no sense. I’ll keep reading down. You might explain it there

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Nov 7, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blake was effective in his minutes

Rudy was not. I have no argument with playing the guys who are playing well.

by GMan83201 on Nov 6, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to keep telling myself that...

to justify the minute distribution. Doesn’t explain Webster’s 13 minutes to Blake’s 39 though.

by Evanescent on Nov 6, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That will get Portland mauled

against big perimeter teams like the Lakers, Nuggets, Hawks, Celtics, etc. Roy can’t guard the 3, Miller can’t guard most starting 2s, and Blake can’t guard quick 1s.

I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy needs to be used better. They just hand him the ball and nobody moves.

The guy is a special passer, but he plays with a bunch of guys who stand around the 3 point line and watch him

by Rudy4three on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I do kind of wonder if there's something going on. He always looks exhausted.

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by Mr. Knox on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing he's still hurt

Back injuries can end to linger. And who knows if it’s limiting him as far as practice/conditioning, that could be an issue as well

I hate Comcast.
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I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

This is not viable in the long term

I hate Comcast.
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I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy barely even deserved 12 minutes tonight

tbh, it might be better to shelve him for a week or two if his back is bothering him at all. Bayless and the PGs looked capable of filling in for him tonight.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it was appropriate and it worked

Rudy played poor defense and offense tonight. Why would play more minutes?

"its tough to play with one eye, unless you're a pirate." Delonte West
"una canasta a Pau en la cara" Rudy

by Honka Playboy on Nov 7, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I liked the active defense

It covered a lot of mistakes. Also liked how Greg let baskets go, instead of making stupid fouls.

by TPforprez on Nov 6, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i didnt like some of the ticky tacky fouls

the last foul on oden was barely a foul yet ginobli masterfully manipulated his body so it seems like oden got him with the hip

by Yawnie on Nov 6, 2009 10:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oden will get less of those calls

the more agressive he is on the offensive end

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Big win

with a nice little ‘get to know your teammates better’ roadtrip coming up

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:24 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder if we'll see that starting lineup again?

I doubt that works against a team that starts a great small forward or shooting guard. But tonight it seemed to give them a spark. I really liked the way we were running in the 1st quarter.

by JasonT on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Rudy looks Lost

minus that SWEET pass to Aldridge for the dunk

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:26 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and the end of the 2nd quarter

when the subs killed SA

I hate Comcast.
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I believe in Greg Oden

by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He needs to play with the star players more often.

When he’s in with Bayless, Outlaw, and Pryz, there is very little he can do except go 1 on 1 which isn’t his strength.

He needs to be with guys who can run, cut, and finish.

by Rudy4three on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

DeJuan Blair.

Discuss.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

You forget Hasheem Thabeet.

Man can almost dunk with one hand.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When Griffin comes back he will.

But I agree, this was a guard heavy 1st round. Taj Gibson is off to a decent start, and with Tyrus Thomas out for the next 6 weeks, he could really start to carve a name for himself.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not how all-rookie works

positions don’t matter, they just vote on the 5 best rookies.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice rebounding role player, nothing more. Serious deficiencies on defense that probably mean he isn’t quite as effective as he looks with all the effort and rebounding.

he is a nice role player.

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Nov 6, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't look now, but he still rivals Greg in efficiency (scoring and rebounding)

Which is terrific, as you say, for a role player

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thus far, DeJuan Blair is kind of similar to Danny Fortson circa 2004-2005

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=blairde01&y1=2010&p2=fortsda01&y2=2005

Fortson, however, was a better free-throw shooter, but worse at passing the ball. Blair has an edge in field-goal efficiency— although that should drop in due time — as well as defensive rebounding, but overall they’re similar stylistically as players.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Odd that it looks like those guys both have/had short shelf lives

Fortson due to a complete lack of sanity, Blair due to a complete lack of ACLs.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When I saw the pigdreads, I knew Fortson was not long for this league.

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by Mr. Knox on Nov 6, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, defense was always going to be a problem with DeJuan Blair.

Regardless, Blair’s gawdy, out-of-this-world rebounding make him a special role player.

Blair works well next to Antonio McDyess, too, as “Dice” plays decent man-to-man interior defense and hit the mid-range jumper on offense.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it will be interesting to see if Pendergraph can contribute in a similar manner to McDyess,

then pairing him with Przybilla would make sense.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jeff Pendergraph was strictly a inside scorer at Arizona State, so he's no Antonio McDyess.

After trying to figure out who Pendergraph compares closest to after a very long deliberation, I’ve concluded that he’s an undersized center (6’9") — both offensively and defensively, as he has no jump shot and can’t guard quicker 4s — in the mold of an Etan Thomas.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm,

I thought he had a decent elbow jumper in summer league, but you might be right about his real game limitations.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

not much to discuss,

he would be a rotation player for the Blazers simply due to his excellent rebounding skills.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont like

Miller handling the ball so much. No need to see Roy running around all day spending energy only to be denied the ball by a player he can beat off the dribble. The Blazers did the spurs a favor by playing roy off the ball until the fourth

by BBG on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He had a couple of easy shots off the ball tonight

and looked good finishing the play. Down the stretch the Blazers were right to put the ball in Roy’s hands and let him dictate the offense. Roy went into kill mode down the stretch and Spurs weren’t ready to deal with it.

by JasonT on Nov 6, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

teams have adapted to Roy

by trapping and doubling him in the 4th. A lot of the time he has been forced to pass out or had to take a contested shot…he hasn’t had the ability to drive to the hole late in the game as he was able to before.

Having Miller just keeps defenders a little more honest in regards to Roy and is a good counter.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really happy for Oden

I don’t Blake playing so many minutes— Rudy is clearly not right, but doesn’t Martell deserve more minutes (in any case, Blake shouldn’t be playing 38).

This was really good for Oden though. Managed to come back from foul difficulties to have a substantial impact on both ends.

by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It was nice to see Bayless get a few minutes.

He clearly is not ready for major minutes at pg, but he can play off the ball and bring a little defensive intensity for short spurts.

by JasonT on Nov 6, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I liked what Bayless brought

He had some nice penetration and had a lot of hustle. Minus the turnover he had a good stint off the bench

"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."

by jebuz on Nov 6, 2009 10:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, he needs minutes to get his nervousness under control

Westbrook, Rose, Mayo, etc. don’t look great in all games either.

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That "defensive intensity" = cheap fouls, which sucks apropos of holding down an opponent's TS%.

The very worst example of that was Venoy Overton of the UW Huskies during a game against Purdue in the second round of last year’s NCAA Men’s Basketball Tournament, for he committed two cheap fouls midway through the second half that greatly hindered a comeback attempt for the purple and gold.

I flat-out detest guards who lack basketball IQ when it comes to playing sound, fundamental defense along the perimeter. Until Jerryd Bayless uses footwork to stay in front of guys — rather than reach in foolishly with his hands — and does a better job fighting through screens, he’s defense will suck.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

a lot of people mistake defensive intensity with good defense

I remember when people were claiming Bayless’ defense was so stellar last year using Rondo or Hinrich in the same sentence. I like Bayless’ ability to drive to the hoop…nothing more. His defense and decision making still need a lot of work. With his incredible work ethic hopefully it won’t take long.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Must have missed "Bayless taking charge". When did that happen?

Rudy is a great talent. I want to see him play with the first unit guys more, where he doesn’t have to be the focal point of the defense like he is with the second unit.

by Rudy4three on Nov 6, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless looked excellent taking the ball to the hoop

something Rudy hasnt done at all, he acts likes gonna take it to the hoop, then rolls back and takes a fadeway. Bayless was in there for 3 minutes and had 5 points as a result of taking it to the hoop, something this team DESPERATELY needs.. thats TAKING CHARGE in his few minutes

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless, like Blake, is primarily an off guard on offense rather than a PG

Blake is the better shooter, while Bayless is potentially a dynamite penetrator, and much better defender.

by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Jerryd Bayless isn't even an off guard, but rather an undersized shooting guard ...

who’s got a gunner mentality. Heck, I wouldn’t want to pair Brandon Roy with a player like Bayless, Louis Williams, et cetera. That’s a bad fit, especially when it comes to stretching the floor, running a fluid offense — rather than nothing except for iso sets — and playing smart perimeter defense. Remember, spastic defense — which is what Bayless plays — isn’t “smart” in any way, shape, or form.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Neither can Rudy, my original point.

Bayless is better at taking it to the hoop with command. I never argued Bayless could run the offense, let alone a small business.

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy can pass though, Bayless can't

Plus, Rudy is a better shooter than Bayless will likely ever be…

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy from LAST YEAR could

..dude needs to wake up. thats my whole point. he looks lost.

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

Rudy woke up one day and forgot how to play basketball. Maybe he is over the hill at the rip age of 24…

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy cannot do what he does best when he has to play

with Bayless, Outlaw, and Pryz. Two of those guys can’t score, and the other just stands around.

You give Rudy significant minutes with Martell, Brandon, LA, and Oden, and he’s look a lot better.

by Rudy4three on Nov 6, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope, he is done. Toast

Screw the fact that he made more 3 pointers than any other rookie in the history of the NBA. He is done, finished. Send him back to Spain…

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair, Anthony Morrow was much more efficient from downtown ...

as a rookie than Rudy Fernandez last season. On a slightly related topic, my prediction that Wes Matthews will end up being this season’s Morrow isn’t looking too hot at this moment. Matthews is doing fine with the Utah Jazz, but his three-point shooting is pathetic.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not 'giving' Rudy anything..

He’s not Brandon Roy. He needs to figure it out and ADAPT. He’s a role player who’s not fitting any roles. No ones gonna hand him the key to the team. He needs to quit pouting, stop playing for friggin SPAIN in the Summer so he has bad legs and a tired brain by the time of his PAYED basketball team and GET WITH IT. All of you guys are living in last year with him, he has yet to have anything but one good spurt against Denver this year. He’s done NOTHING else.

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Please, give it a rest. They've played six games. I'll go off his track

record from last season over the six game sample size your are using.

by Rudy4three on Nov 6, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right, Rudy is not Roy

and Nate should stop trying to play him as if he is. Rudy is an off the ball player, and a dynamite shooter. God knows its hard to find a role for a dead eye 3 point shooter in the nba….

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he hasnt fit a role bc nate hasn't carved one out for him

and a lot of other players on this team.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless had no chance against Hill other than in those limited minutes

I agree that he has potential to evolve into a great player but Hill would have forced at least 5-6 TO’s.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ya

he was lucky not to have 2 TO’s in his first 3 minutes of action. I doubt that translates well to per 36 minute stats. Although, he is a good option if you need somebody to attack the rim and ring up some fouls against opposing bigs…

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

When the rest of team is clicking...

Rudy is a total headache for opposing teams. He’s just constant motion and can break the other team’s back. Martell and Bayless aren’t quite there yet.

by JasonT on Nov 6, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

need him? No

Do we want him? hells yes. He is just a pup in the nba, he needs minutes, he needs a role. Once he gets those things he will be a very good player on this team….

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes cause I just bought an El conquistador shirt.

Plus if used right he is a killer guy to have on your team.

by tevisthe4th on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy will win this team games

However, he needs more consistent minutes and, if he’s not healthy, he should sit out until he is – use the depth

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I wanted to see

Bayless and now i see why he’s been on the bench. I dont think he will ever be a reliable PG even as a back up. I can only see him getting time on the floor with Roy as PG

by BBG on Nov 6, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

big night for 2nd year Cs

22/11/3 for Lopez, 12/11/5 for Hibbert and 14/8/4 for Oden. Gasol, who’s been the best of the 4 in the early season, had the quietest game.

by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 10:36 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I liked how Oden begins to warp the game at the defensive end by making players adjust their shot

That doesn’t show in the box score, but it did show in the actions of Ginobili, Finley, Mason, and even Duncan.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yay, Brook Lopez!

I still feel Lopez would be a monster at the 4 next to a true back-to-the-basket pivotman like, oh, Greg Oden.

If nothing else, that’d finally quiet down all these fools who like up-tempo, run-and-gun offensive schemes that rely almost extensively on stupid small ball. Call me crazy — or a traditionalist — but my favorite way of winning basketball games is by pounding the other team into the ground on offense and playing rugged, as well as inspired defense. I, without a doubt, enjoy nothing more out there on the hardwood than a good ol’-fashioned @$$-whoopin’!

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
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by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brook and Oden would end the league

He can guard the 4, and offensively he’s very adept at playing the high post as well as down low, largely a positive consequence of the time spent playing with his twin Robin

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea I'm liking that idea more and more now.

That is real twin towers right there.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brook's got a nice nasty streak to his game as well

He is not playing around out there

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How bout Aldridge, Blake and Rudy for Devin Harris and Brook Lopez?

or would it take more?

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart

by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yes...it would take more?

or yes….just yes?

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It won't happen. The Russian billionaire is a showman, and he wants exciting players, not jump-shooters.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy isn't an exciting player?

Aldridge isn’t an exciting player?

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy yes

Aldridge, no, unless 18 foot jumpers excite you

by Rudiculous on Nov 6, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of the excitement factor

the Nets would arguably giving up the 2 best players in that deal which would make it a no go.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That billionaire would probably try to give the team back

if that deal was made

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brook Lopez has more trade value than LaMarcus Aldridge by himself.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

easily

Lopez’s value is comparable to that of Greg Oden.

by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 11:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, people don't seem to realize that LaMarcus Aldridge really doesn't have a ...

lot of trade value. Truth be told, power soft forwards who rely on mid-range jumpers, play weak defense, and are inconsistent on a game-by-game basis definitely aren’t shiny assets.

That’s now a bigger factor since Aldridge has been signed to an overpriced contract, which makes it nearly impossible to trade him due to that extension tagging him as a Poison Pill Provision player this season and a Base Year Compensation player next season.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He is much-improved defensively over his college career. Who knew he would break block records? His brother was supposed to be the far better defender.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Robin was a little better shot-blocker

A little better at holding defensive position. But, Brook is far more polished offensive player.

by xedubx on Nov 7, 2009 12:09 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Nate wanted to have the 3-guard lineup to improve ball movement

That worked. Problem was, quite often the ball ended up with bad shooters (Miller, Oden) with 3-4 seconds on the clock. That didn’t work. Blake passing up an open shot to Miller late in the clock is setting him up for failure.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Seemed like it was more built around easing Miller in

having someone like Martell in would bring more movement, but sacrifice some decision-making. It really seems hard to believe that we’d start this lineup against the Lakers or the Celtics.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't seem to improve ball movement much.

Blazers had 11 assists as a team. I think Nate is making the mistake of trying to solve a schema problem with personnel.

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by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don’t know what the coaches are seeing, but maybe they didn’t like the shot selection of Travis/Martell/Rudy. Then the ball “stops” with them instead of finding the better positioned player.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, the lack of ball movement has more to do with Nate McMillan than anybody else.

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Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
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by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

So how do you solve a problem if you are the problem?

I guess that’s a redundant question for you.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not necessarily a fan of an offense like the flex motion down in Houston where there's ...

a ton of screens, ball movement, backdoor cuts, et cetera. I, however, would like an offense that utilizes more post-ups on the low block with the 5, more pick-and-rolls and less pick-and-pops with the 4, a mix of backdoor cuts down the baseline to go along with spot-up shooting from the 3, the 2 doing his thing, and the 1 running the offense inside often — as the big man needs his touches — along with some dribble-drive plays and give-and-gos with the 4 at the elbow called for himself.

Heck, I could use some Jeff Van Gundy. Yeah, Van Gundy’s offense is basically just a playbook of various pick-and-roll and post-up plays — along with some isos for the shooting guard — but that’s fine by me. The ball movement wouldn’t necessarily be any great shakes, but feeding the post is of more importance anyway. So, yeah, my main qualm with McMillan is his inability to get Greg Oden more involved in the offense. That could be more on Brandon Roy than McMillan; yet, if that’s the case, then a new coach needs to come in who’s not all chummy with Roy and set hm straight.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
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by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nate's mouth

nate said after last game that he has purposefully not made greg an option on offense bc he wants greg to focus on defense first, and he didnt want to put too much on gregs plate. if greg isnt an offensive option by the ASB then i think we have a problem. until then, i’m fine with this.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

All right, we'll see how this plays itself out over time.

Dear Paul Allen:

Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.

Sincerely,
AK1984

by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

FUN STAT of the NIGHT

12 fast break points for the Blazers tonight. I saw a graphic the other night showing we averaged about 4 fastbreak points a game this season, which was about 4 below the second worst team in the NBA. Good job Blazers

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

BAD STAT of the NIGHT

L.A. with 8 points on Matt Bonner. Unacceptable

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

yea,

that’s what happens when you take 20 footers ALL the time.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

true.. he lived up to the 'soft' category

…why, when he backs down on his defender, does he stop and pull back and shoot instead of turning and laying it up??

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IDK,

I didn’t mind his lack of offense today as much since he played tremendous defense in the post. He really locked RJ down, -22 for RJ speaks for itself.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Starting to make me think

The one we should have overpaid $10 million should have been Millsap, not LA. Extra $10 mil at the front end of the contract could have dissuaded Utah from matching.

by xedubx on Nov 7, 2009 12:12 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

At least he worked well in tandem with Greg

Though sometimes in a reversed role, with Greg contesting shots up high and LaMarcus grabbing the rebounds. Not one of his greatest games, but he didn’t hurt the team either. And he had 2 sweet dunks when he got freed up by Rudy and Miller.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah--Hubie kept crediting Greg with LMA's defensive plays

The two in tandem did a twin towers number on the Spurs. And Przy was great when HE was in there. That’s gotta make it tough on Timmay.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 6, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we won

I would give it all up for a billion dollars

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That's beside the point.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Nov 6, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just basking in the glory of the win, and not wanting to feel very critical. But you're right, offensively LmA had an off night.

I wonder how often he has been in the position of a 4 playing alongside 3 guards who had a tendency to slash and penetrate?

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by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to add sarcasm symbols to that comment. It amazes me that

people rag on the team whether they win or lose. They aren’t happy with a loss and they aren’t happy with a win.

"Aneurysm".

When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie

by annthefan on Nov 6, 2009 11:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I was hoping that was the case

didn’t seem like your character to call me out on that

I would give it all up for a billion dollars

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that needs to improve

I would give it all up for a billion dollars

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially embarrassing

considering at least three of his rebounds were completely free surrounded by 4 other blazers after Oden was pulled out to contest a shot.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and he jacked one from Greg.

free bayless

by Cablinasian on Nov 6, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol I remember that.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

selfish

I would give it all up for a billion dollars

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

actually I thought blake played decent on ball defense.

my problem was with him running the offense. I don’t think he ever passed the ball into the post this whole game.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

he's much more prone to going around the horn, than dishing inside

I totally agree

I would give it all up for a billion dollars

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He had the oop to Brandon

So a pass into the post, to a non-post player.

I think that was it.

by Timmay! on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Most minutes in the game. I don’t get it.

by undutchable on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

MVP.

Recognize.

"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith

by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Then you won't like the latest tweet from BTS
#Blazers coach McMillan said team could use Miller-Blake in starting lineup for next two weeks. Team’s schedule factored into decision. #NBA

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Fine, Nate, but at least cut into his minutes— give them to Rudy if healthy, or Bayless, or go with Martell in a traditional lineup. Something.

by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least it's not like we'll need a strong defensive effort

against Brewer and Ellington, or whoever the Wolves are starting at SG these days.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

They endangered the Celtics

Not necessarily a piece of cake baking game

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and just got torched by the bucks.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I meant from the wings

I feel pretty confident that if we lose that game it’s going to be due to Flynn or Jefferson and not Corey Brewer.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The Garden of Oden

Yes, very happy for Greg. He needs be more ferocious on catching the ball and sealing it in his mitts. Growl and clear space! No one should be able to poke the ball free. But he played very well against the best, Tim Duncan. Congrats, Greg. We still feel weirdly un-athletic out there. Why? Martel and Rudy should get more minutes!

by Robbie D on Nov 6, 2009 10:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Real talk.

If Batum was healthy, I think Blake would still play over him.

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by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2009 10:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

doubt that seriously.

RIP CITY

by greatestfall on Nov 6, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not referring to starting lineup.

4th quarter.

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by blzrfan on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I could see this

Nate trusts Steve Blake with his life. I just hope it doesn’t cost Portland games

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

absolutely no way.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats nuts

no way

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 6, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes because going with a three guard line up is so crazy when you're starting SF is out

Batum is a better defender better than Webber, Blake, and definitely Miller. Once Batum comes back, Nate is not going to have to experiment. I can even see Nate using Batum as a point forward like when Pippen was here.

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Denver in Miami tomorrow

on the second game of a back to back. Go Miami!

by TPforprez on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

weren't they in miami tonight?

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by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nice

I would give it all up for a billion dollars

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, but in the second round if still there :)

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd've done it, but I'm not high on Victor Claver to begin with here.

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by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Abso-positively

Then again, never really saw the guy play. Didn’t see much of him on the Spanish national team games wither..

by xedubx on Nov 7, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Without knowing more about Claver because of his youth and Euroness

I’ll just have to leave that one to our Euro scouts and KP, and they’ve been pretty good at those sort of picks thus far… Petteri notwithstanding.

Claver looks good and moves well on video, has good size, good shooter, could be a good player. I think it’s worth a shot, especially if our smart scouts think so.

by Mortimer on Nov 7, 2009 12:19 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The only problem I see...

Is that if Claver is truly any good nba-wise, he will be under paid. There are so many Rudy’s out there, and at this point, his current playing time status isn’t convincing any euro to take a pay cut to play for the blazers

by Rudiculous on Nov 7, 2009 4:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Cunningham will get some minutes vs the T'Wolves too.

thats it, i’m out. its friday. time to hit the viewpoint. peace.

by osu_fugitive on Nov 6, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That was SUCH a good game.

Oden showed tremendous character coming back after two early fouls the way he did. Atta way to man up Greg! Everyone looked so much more comfortable. Also, who would have thought Webster was the clog in our team’s arteries? Will the 3 guard starting rotation stick? How about Rex!? Wow I was surprised to see him check in. What’s going on in Nate’s mind? Has he seen something in practice and felt Jerryd deserved some game time? How about Rudy’s quiet night? His role in the offense remains maybe our biggest mystery right now.

Good win. This plus a few crappy road teams coming up and I think we’re back on the rails!

Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:

Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)

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by halo_on on Nov 6, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

The one positive as I see it from the two PG lineup

is it opens up Bayless for some “Sergio minutes” (roughly 5 per half) with Rudy and Martell on ther perimeter with him. Both can shoot, and Rudy can help run the offense – if Bayless is going to succeed, that is a good grup for him

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nah,

Bayless can’t kick the ball out. Rudy and Webster would just rot away in the corners watching Bayless go 1 on 5 in the lane.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy would have the ball most of the time in the half court

for that lineup to be most effective, imo

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Competing for 7-8th spot

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that's what I think also.

2 impressive road wins already though. I’m starting to wonder if they can find their way up as high as the 5 seed.

by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

nah.

I don’t think they have consistent enough horses. J-Rich isn’t going to give you 30 every night.

"B-Roy is the best shooting guard I have played against"

-Ron Artest

by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Live by the 3, die by the three.

So far, they’re thriving. I think they’ll cool off eventually.

"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."

by Arby on Nov 6, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That style can always beat anyone on any given night

As long as it has that sort of talent, of course. Nelly Ball can’t beat anyone if everyone isn’t that good, but the Suns got Nash, Amare, Frye, Hill, Richardson, Barbosa… all guys that can get hot and you can’t do anything about it.

Like we’ve seen with that style before, ya can’t always rely on outscoring teams, and they don’t have the defenders to stop anyone. It should make their record even out to what we expect it to be by the end of the year.

But Nash has still got it, Richardson can put up points, and Frye’s 3’s is awesome. Did he sign a one year deal? He’s earning himself a good contract now.

by Mortimer on Nov 7, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

About the same

although I’d say above NO for one of those late playoff spots. It was an impressive victory, but 34 and 10 from Richardson is nothing but an aberration.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, good point

I could see it shaking out something like:

LA
SA
Denver
Dallas
Portland
Houston
Phoenix
Utah

with New Orleans stunningly missing the playoffs. Portland could still find its way back up closer to the top.

by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think SA will be below at least one of Denver and Dallas

Just because they’re so used to putting off the regular season and have just looked awful on these back to backs, I’d guess we’ll finish third at best, though. Hard to see us pulling ahead of all three of Denver, Dallas and SA, but one or two is probably likely.

Sadly, I’m really not relishing potential matchups with any of Dallas, SA, or Denver in the playoffs, although it’s obviously way to early to think about that.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Denver and the Mavs more than SA and SA over Phoenix

but that looks very accurate

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 11:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is Jefferson's dunk on Oden?

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"over" Oden is a stretch

but it was definitely nice to see Greg realize that he wouldn’t be able to challenge that shot without fouling and hold back rather than pointlessly pick up the foul. Signs of growth yet.

by Royster on Nov 6, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It was as much over Oden as any dunk I have seen. Wisely Greg didn't contest it, but it was still in his grill.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Correction, Gerald Wallace had a nastier dunk over Oden last season.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It looked like Jefferson was talking some trash to GO on the free throw line the next sequence

GO didn’t appear bothered. I’m guessing he was saying something like, “Why would I block that shot; I’d just have gotten called for a foul. All I care about is the W.” Er, or maybe he was saying, “Head out for a bit after the game?”

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by hurryup09 on Nov 6, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

...I meant "bite"

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by hurryup09 on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I screamed "Scoreboard" at the tv

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by Honka Playboy on Nov 7, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the best thing to take away from this game

is that Roy can be effective without having to dominate the ball.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Nov 6, 2009 11:14 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i dont think

roy was very effective at all today. He was a role player all the way till the fourth when the blazers finally started using his talent. I cant see this lineup holding up with him away from the ball for so long

by BBG on Nov 6, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

Considering this was the first time they’ve tried it, I thought it worked great. Roy played off the ball for much of the game, and had plenty in the tank at the end as a result. The only reason the game got tight is because the second unit gave up a bunch of open shots.

OK, the first unit made a couple dumb turnovers too. And credit to the Spurs: they did turn the D up a notch. Perennial contenders like them know how to do that.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the 82 game schedule is a meatgrinder

if you can limit the wear and tear and still get 25 pts per game from Roy, that’ll pay huge dividends in the playoffs.

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by ignign*kt on Nov 6, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that i agree with

i like miller giving roy a break from handling but i envisioned miller on this team running with the second unit (lord knows they need it) and there to take SOME of the ball handling duties from Roy when they’re on the floor together. Tonight was just too much for me. I dont think Roy looked like he was having too much fun either.

by BBG on Nov 6, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

seriously,

I thought this game proved that Roy isn’t effective WITHOUT the ball in his hands. He scored by creating his own shot, except for that oop from blake i think all his shots were unassisted.

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by premthegrem on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you cannot start 2 point guards all season long no way

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by Nad on Nov 6, 2009 11:16 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

We won't

We did it because SA is undersized.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No; it only worked because the Spurs match up favorably

What was impressive: it was Popovich who had to adjust, by bringing in Ginobli early. Instead of Jefferson punishing Roy, the Blazers were exploiting him on the defensive end.

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by hurryup09 on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you have to start a lineup and get used to it, a lineup that you are going to use going deep into the season and the playoffs

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by Nad on Nov 6, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Although Nate said he'd go with this lineup for at least the next week

Due to matchups.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

My new Roy jersey is 1-0 after tonight

Got a little tight at the end but Oden was a beast, back to .500 and coming up on a stretch of easier games.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:32 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Biggest oddity tonight

BOTH teams passed up open looks early in the shot clock. It was strange, both were arguably too patient.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:33 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That's how slow-paced basketball is meant to be played on the court.

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by AK1984 on Nov 6, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But I was impressed especially with Trout's willingness

Not to just fire it up.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It worked great early

We fell asleep. Two of those turnovers in a row were laziness, not the ineup.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

still you cannot change linups throughout the season back and forth its not going to be good for the chemistry

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by Nad on Nov 6, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm wondering if this was intended to show Roy how effective Dre could be in the starting lineup without rocking the boat too much.

Wouldn’t be surprised if this led to Dre sliding in at the one, Roy going back to the two and Marty coming back in at the three. Marty’s three point shooting negates any advantage of having blake at the shooting guard spot, and his size lends itself to better defense.

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by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully but martel has been off on his shot

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by Nad on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I like the idea of having a shooter on the court at all times, but the starting lineup today is way too deficient on the defensive end with respect to the wings. Martell is a shooter, and he can guard 3s, something I don’t think Brandon should be doing for extended periods

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by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I get why Nate did it

He feels like we don’t have enough ball movement and aren’t pushing the tempo enough, and while Martell is good on the break, he’s a finisher and not a ballhandler/passer.

The PROBLEM is, Blake is very bad on the fastbreak (cringe worthy), but he can at least handle the ball and be trusted to pass it. But, you’re removing a strong athletic finisher who can fill the lanes and score on the break by having Blake in over Martell.

We got a stretch of cupcake teams coming up, and I do worry that it’ll make this 3 guard lineup seem more effective than it really is. If Rudy is hurting like he seems to be, I’d just much prefer to have a more standard PG/SG/SF lineup…

But, it will work against cupcakes. I just wanna have THE starting lineup set so we can get to chemistricalizing it.

by Mortimer on Nov 7, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed on false sense of confidence

from the cupcake teams we will be facing. for some reason i just can’t picture this will be the lineup that we will use all year. so when we start slumping later in the year, then what? start over with a brand new lineup and try to build our chemistry again? these are the gimmicky things that should have been worked on in the preseason. while we’ve seen the 3G lineup all year, it hasn’t been effective when it has included Blake and Miller…I’m intrigued by this lineup, but by no means am I sold that it will be effecive longterm.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 7, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

hated that

I would give it all up for a billion dollars

by Tyler Durrden on Nov 6, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think i'd rather see Bayless in the 2 pg role

steve blake didn’t really bring much to that lineup it seemed to me…i’d rather see miller and bayless at the 2 with no pressure of playing point he’d probably do better…at least against smaller guards like tonight

by thegreatwhitehope on Nov 6, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

He's a gunner

His 3 really sealed the deal tonight, as it did vs. OKC.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Btw, does anyone know what the deal was on that and 1

Given to SA that put them down only 3 in the 4th? Was it goaltending? I couldn’t tell from my seats.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Love the video here:

http://www.nba.com/blazers/video/2009/11/07/110609postm4v-1119424/index.html

Very cool of him to acknowledge the “feel” in the building. That fans were a little restless and maybe had that Denver game lingering in their head.

Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:

Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)

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by halo_on on Nov 6, 2009 11:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to

see Oden lose some more weight still.

by BBG on Nov 6, 2009 11:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Moment of the night for me

The gasp when Oden put up that jumper vs. Duncan early (everyone assuming he would miss assuming me) and the huge roar when it went in.

Well that and the Martell put back.

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by skywaker9 on Nov 6, 2009 11:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Morti, you briefly mentioned Petteri in passing in the game-day thread

He has upped his minutes from 14 to 19, his points from 2.8 to 6.3, his TS% from 43 to 65%, his assists from 0.8 to 2.0, and hist TOs just by 0.1 in the first 3 games this season. That brings his PER from 5 to 17.5.

He still has a long ways to go to ever make it into the NBA, but as usual for young players with more minutes and experience his production and thus his trade value certainly is on the upswing :)

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by Norsktroll on Nov 7, 2009 12:45 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nice!

He clearly needed more time after we watched him in summer league, and after his one shooting game to start the league off he really seemed to get overrated even though he played pretty badly the rest of the way.

I liked it when we drafted him, I like his size, he moves well, but he just didn’t seem very good… at least not yet.

More time and more experience sounds great to me. I’m glad he’s getting more time and showing he can take advantage of it! I wouldn’t say I am down on his potential, but I won’t count on him being a NBA rotation player just yet like I think we can with Freeland.

by Mortimer on Nov 7, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Petteri will likely never be a point in the nba...

Too tall, no athleticism, book it… hehhehehehehe

by Rudiculous on Nov 7, 2009 4:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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