New B-Roy is the Old Kobe
Okay, we're under .500, so let's do some controversy. The problem is Brandon. First, the obvious caveat -- B-Roy is probably the best player we've ever had this side of Bill Walton. But it's a team game and Brandon is holding the team back. For starters, this team has brilliant upside with a decent point guard. But Brandon says his game is better suited to Blake, and Nate goes along. So Miller muddles along on limited minutes trying to steer a host of combinations. The running game is dead, the floor spacing dreadful, and the confusion, well, it's become an epidemic. And it will not get better until Miller gets the bulk of the minutes and the Blazers get to practice and get to work under the ball-leadership of a true point.
Second, Roy's principal offensive contribution is one-on-one. He's brilliant at it ... just like Kobe was. But the Lakers didn't jell and excel until Kobe decided it was time to focus his brilliance more fully within the team concept. That is something Roy has never really done -- and it's been okay with me for the last three years as he has developed and refined his skills. But now we are approaching the final level -- championship (or at least championship contention) -- and the time for one-on-one throughout the game (I'm not talking the final minutes here) has come and gone. Roy must integrate his talents and his game with the rest of the team.
This means that he must stop convincing himself that Blake is the best option for this team because that simply allows one of the least talented players set the tone for everyone else. Blake may make Brandon better right mow, but Miller can make everyone else better real quick, and he'll make Brandon better, as well, down the road. To achieve this, Brandon and Nate must change their mindsets. The sooner the better.
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Who is this “Kobe” of which you speak?
;-)
kidding. I think you make a good point, although I also think Roy is more adept than Kobe was early on at playing team ball.
by SloppyJoe on Nov 6, 2009 7:04 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
He's a guy who just won an NBA title with a roleplayer point guard, who fits well with him and can hit the three ball
sound familiar ? Yeah, it pretty much demolishes this fanpost. When did Kobe ever play with an Andre Miller style point guard as the starter? When did Jordan for that matter? Blake works well with Roy, and just like Kobe, Roy needs to have the ball, and get the likes of Oden involved in the offense.
Kobe had a period where he took every shot himself, and he scored a lot of points, but didn’t get too far. Roy hasn’t done that. He’s turned down a few passing options in favor of his own shot, but it’s not like Kobe averaging 40 a night.
by wingzeta on Nov 6, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake does not work that well with Roy.
That offense gets stagnant. That was the lesson of the Houston series.
The critical thing here is not who plays with Roy. It is that our offense as a whole is dynamic. We know the Roy/Blake backcourt, as conceived last year, falls short.
Does that mean that that combo can’t work? No. But it is hard to change patterns with the same players.
Thus the logic of putting the ball in Miller’s hands. Because he is a dynamic point guard. With him calling the shots, the first unit will have to be prepared for some spontaneity. Unlike last years’ offense where only two people were involved at a time, all the players will have to be on their toes for the look from Andre. This creates energy and, hopefully, chemistry.
by Blazin' on Nov 7, 2009 5:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the offense
got stagnant because Outlaw, Oden and Rudy sucked on offense in that series. Not much has changed except the addition of Martell.
by BBG on Nov 7, 2009 6:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When your offense is based around one single starter and 3 bench players
you’ve got problems.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
by ninjasocks on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Well lets
look at that lineup. It was Blake, LMA, Roy, BATUM, and Pryz. Pryz isnt counted on for much offense, and Batum was a token starter in that series because he didnt have the offensive skills the blazers needed for that series and he was a rookie. Unfortunately Outlaw didnt produce squat, neither did Rudy save one game. Blake played pretty much the same way he had done in the regular season but took most of the heat from the fans for others not showing up. Unless Oden gets those post moves down i think the Blazers will meet the same fate in the post-season because this team needs a dependable 3rd scorer in the playoffs. Not just guys who can hit open threes and only score on fastbreaks.
by BBG on Nov 8, 2009 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
would you acknowledge that the offensive scheme
is at least a factor? Basketball is a team game. Meaning the sum of the parts is not equal to the whole. Look at what Adelman has done with the Rockets since losing its scorers.
by Blazin' on Nov 8, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you play a lineup with no offense (save one player)
you’re not going to have any success in the playoffs. You need to design plays for players besides Roy or opposing teams will just give him extra attention and the offense will wither.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
by ninjasocks on Nov 8, 2009 5:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The lesson of that series was that we needed a post scoring big.
Oden is getting there this season, but was not anywhere near there last season, and that had to do with his lack of experience and injuries, not who our PG was. Miller has only passed the ball to Oden a few times this season, so the credit for Oden’s play goes to Oden, no one else, as does the credit for Oden’s lack of game last year. He was an out of shape rookie, let’s not pretend anything else, like that Blake can’t pass a ball. He’s like number 5 All-time in assists in the NCAA.
We still should have added a post “banger” to round out our team, and I think we still will eventually, because we will still have a problem against certain teams if we don’t have a big who takes it inside more reliably than Oden or LMA. It should be a PF, since we don’t have a credible backup if LMA gets hurt, no disrespect to Howard, who is more of a shooter than a banger.
by wingzeta on Nov 7, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This
You want to be taking the ball to the paint or shooting from beyond the arc. Mid-range jumpers can put points on the board, but they’re a lot less efficient, don’t get you to the stripe and prevent you from putting opponents in foul trouble.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
by ninjasocks on Nov 8, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All I can say is "Triangle"
point guards aren’t really point guards in that system as there’s lots of post to perimeter (and vice versa) passing that goes on between frontcourt and backcourt players and it’s all predicated on what the defense is showing. For the Lakers Lamar Odom can almost be called their point guard whereas Fisher plays D and fills the role traditionally reserved for a wing or shooting guard.
by nikolokolus on Nov 8, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I agree
It’s Roy’s fault that the best point guard he have had in a long time is coming off the bench
bayless leaves over my dead body
START MILLER
B-Roy is selfish (that's not a joke anymore)
by thomasikehara on Nov 6, 2009 7:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, But He Hasn't Shown He's Better Than Sergio
What has Andre Miller done this year that has shown him to be the PG he was billed as?
He hasn’t been cranking out assist or points. Several times he’s run down and taken bad shots early in the shot clock. Last game he single handed destroyed a fast break by taking too long to go to the basket. He seems very slow, and only occasionally has moments of clarity when he passes well.
Sorry, if this guy is the best point guard we had in some time I think you’re disrespecting Bayless, let alone Blake — and I don’t even like Bayless!
by Anim8rguy on Nov 6, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We haven't been watching the same games
Aside from Dre’ jacking up a total of 3 shots early in the shot clock he has outperformed Blake. Needless to say I don’t think the comparison to Sergio is warranted. However, I do support the Free Bayless fanclub.
by Gregoriun on Nov 6, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We're watching the same games
We’re just not seeing the same things.
I’m sorry, but overall the offense seems to struggle more with Miller, in my view. At the very least we’re not seeing the offense run smooth and comfortable with him in here. You merely say he has outperformed Blake, but I do not agree with you.
The ultimate performance judge is wins. Basketball isn’t like baseball, where you can merely take a players offensive stats and know what his performance is.
A player’s performance in basketball must also be judged by how he affects those around him, as well. Look at Stephan Marbury. He always had great stats and there were always some people who could never understand why other fans never wanted him on their team. I’m not saying that Miller is Marbury, I’m only trying to point out that points scored do not determine if a player is the proper choice to play with certain types of other players.
This team is and should be built around Brandon Roy and Greg Oden — Offense and Defense. The supporting cast of players need to compliment those two players, or else we are bringing down our top players. Brandon Roy knows this — that is why he wants to play more with Steve Blake, who’s style of play compliments Roy’s strengths.
Andre Miller, however, has not shown that he is making the players on this team better by playing his role.
Sergio was way better for this team than Miller — as of today. If Miller realizes that he needs to be a catalyst for the team then he will be great step up.
So far, however, he has not gotten the job done.
Maybe Miller is a great a player — or WAS a great player — but I’m only seeing a shadow of a top tier point guard. .
by Anim8rguy on Nov 6, 2009 2:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I beg to differ
I’m originally from Philly and my Blazers-Sixers allegiance ratio these days is about 70-30, but I do watch a fair amount of their games. And I can tell you, there is no way the Philly make the playoffs the last two years without Dre. Totally changed the pace and style of play there. The only time I’ve seen him play live is when the Sixers came here last March, where he pretty much dominated Blake. Here’s the excerpt from the BE recap:
“Andre Miller (27 points, 10 rebounds, 3 assists) torched Steve Blake. Blake’s line looks alright in the box (22 points, 5 assists) but he got absolutely destroyed. Prepare yourself to hear those words over and over during the playoffs.”
Prescient, no?
Roy will adjust and he’ll be a better player (and PDX a better team) for it…
by dulcamara on Nov 6, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
here's the issue
27 points… 3 assists.
That’s a point guard doing shooting guard duties.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 6, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well, when it's that easy to score on Blake...
It wasn’t like those were 27 tough points. He took what the Blazers/Blake were giving him that night and his team won (a pretty exciting game). Typically Dre averages I think around 7+ assists per game. In seasons where Blake has played starter-type minutes his assists are lower than that, around 5 for Portland the past 2 years.
by dulcamara on Nov 6, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Blake only got "torched" in game 1 of the playoffs, and that was because he was helping out on Yao Ming.
Yao started the game going 9 for 9 shooting, I mean just going off, because Joel didn’t front him. Blake had to sag off his man to try and strip the ball for Yao, that left Brooks with a lot of open three opportunities, and he had a hot night. Other than that, Blake had a good series scoring double digits in four of the six games, and getting a lot of assists too, which he splits with Roy who handles the ball a lot as Miller is finding out. Blake defended Brooks quite well the rest of the series, because he didn’t have to help on Yao as much , because Greg and Joel fronted him, denying him the ball.
by wingzeta on Nov 7, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your joking right?
everything about Miller’s game is better than Sergio or Bayless.
Delonte West: Zombie Hunter
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 6, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I stand by what I said
So many people hated Sergio, but I was never one of them. Sure, his turnovers and inability to shoot consistently bothered me, but his style of play worked with this team.
Look at the Lakers. On paper, we all know that that trading Ariza for Artest was an upgrade — but it is also an obvious example of how a player is more than the total of their stats.
by Anim8rguy on Nov 6, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he hasnt shown?
WHAT!?!!? Youre seriously saying Andre Miller is below Sergio? Yikes.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3331/career;_ylt=AtgzdOXFRxq3HOLvKGBDehVbPKB4
by pdxlifer on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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I could not agree more. Roy has all the tools to be a great scoring weapon without having to have the ball in his hands at all times. I’m waiting to see it happen.
Dunk
by Billy Ray Bates on Nov 6, 2009 7:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
B Roy must evolve...
if the Blazers are going to take the next step as a team. Blake is better for Brandon, as he spaces the floor so Brandon can go one on one, but Blake’s deficiencies in being unable to lead a break, feed the post and being unable to finish in the lane turn the Blazers into a jump shooting team that depends too much on Brandon to take over.
Miller gets the team easier baskets and gets everyone involved. His lack of lateral speed does cause problems on defense, which may be painfully evident tonight.
B Roy needs to learn to move without the ball and take advantage of Miller’s passing skills. He should be able to post up smaller guards and cut back door for lay ups, eschewing the pounding of one on one play for some easy transition baskets.
by Rip City Reign on Nov 6, 2009 8:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like this post...
It makes too much sense. I hope management realizes this too and are only dragging their feet to make a change because they want Brandon to figure it out on his own. If he doesn’t then i’d think trading Blake might be a good idea.
Delonte West: Zombie Hunter
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 6, 2009 8:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm tired of making excuses
I’ve been saying for two years that Roy is a natural team player. That his first option is always to pass, get his boys into the game. That he only scores like he does because (a) he can and (b) he has no other options for winning the game.
Now he’s got options. I see it in him just waiting to come out. I think he’s still a young man and this year will be a terrific year of growth. I’m putting my championship aspirations to the side and just looking forward to seeing Roy, Nate and their boys discover how much power they have and how to make the best of it.
by jiminut on Nov 6, 2009 9:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roy is still evolving
I don’t know how you quantify what makes a “team concept” player versus a player who tries to win all by himself…maybe assists? Even with that said, there are certain times when your best player has to take over…even Kobe still does this.
I cannot quantify this, but based on my observations, Roy still spends a lot of time drawing the defense to him off the dribble and passing to open teammates. Roy still is the best perimeter playmaker we have…and is at his best when he is driving to the basket. However, Roy does not seem as comfortable or effective playing off the ball. Roy is going to have get better at playing off the ball in order to utilize Miller’s strength, which is playing with the ball in his hands.
Whether Roy becomes as good off the ball as Kobe or not, the big difference that turned the Lakers around, were getting a low post scoring threat in Gasol and Kobe deciding he was going to be an elite defender. As much as I like LaMarcus and Oden, they do not possess the low post game of Gasol…maybe one day, but they’re not showing it yet. If we get a consistent low post scoring threat and Roy commits himself to being an elite defender, then we will see the transformation of this team into a true contender.
by JasonT on Nov 6, 2009 10:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a crack at it!
I don’t know how you quantify what makes a "team concept" player versus a player who tries to win all by himself…maybe assists?
Style of play. Which is why drawing the comparison with Kobe is incisive. Kobe still has his one one one chops, but he has learned, kind of, to get his looks in the context of a fluid offense.
This is specifically what the triangle is designed to do: to take what the defense gives you by putting decision-making responsibility in the hands of several players.
Brandon’s looks typically either come from him in iso mode, or off of screens that are quite predictable. Thus, when he is on the floor, decision making is highly restricted. Because Brandon plays to this kind of one-dimensional offensive approach, he is not a “team concept” player.
To the reactionary types out there: This is not an indictment of Roy. It says more about the coach and the limitations of this team the last three years than it does about our star. Roy did what he was asked and capable of doing. Ironically, that is now limiting us as a team.
by Blazin' on Nov 7, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As much of a fan of B Roy that I am
and dont generally feel his causes problems on this team, I have news for everyone.
To win a championship you need to do MANY MANY things well. So many fascets of the game to master. The more your team has as a whole, the higher chance you have of winning.
The championship is a game of, “I am going to take this away from you, can you do anything else.” The team that has more fascets of the game they can still work with will win. All of these guys needs to master a number of things. Passing, defense in all of it’s flavors, screens, FT’s. Playing with the ball. Playing without the ball. This list goes on and on.
If B Roy cannot learn to play without the ball, growth has now been retarded. That will not win a championship. I agree he is SUPERB with the ball, but he needs to be able to di it all when called upon.
Land Rondo.
by loyal_blazer on Nov 6, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roy isn't a player/coach
His job is to play. If he thinks he’s better off playing with Blake and the coaches think otherwise THE COACHES need to make the change. Do you really think Roy is the type will cry and bitch about that stuff?
by ericande on Nov 6, 2009 11:25 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
In the NBA the star player have a lot more control than the coaches
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
by ninjasocks on Nov 6, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
The Shaq-less, Kobe-dominated Lakers weren’t effective until (a) Kobe learned to be a team-player and (b) they were handed Gasol.
No team can win if they depend entirely on the efforts of a star 2-guard. Kobe couldn’t do it on his own and Iverson couldn’t either. This team working as a unit is more important than Roy getting his shots. If nothing else, we can look back on last years playoffs and see that we can’t focus our entire offense around Roy.
"Its not that I can't read and write, its just that I don't like to read and write."
-Charlie
by ninjasocks on Nov 6, 2009 11:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
After Shaq
left those Laker teams sucked so bad Kobe wanted out. The only reason they were able to compete was because of Kobe lighting it up each game. The Lakers didnt win a championship in 09 and get to the finals in 08 because Kobe all of a sudden became a team player. It was because they got better players around him. He still takes an insane amount of shots.
by BBG on Nov 6, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
+ 1
The ball goes into the post, yes, but Blobe still initiates the offense
within the triangle. Part of the trouble with the Blazers is that they have a stagnant
offense with very little north-south and to much east-west !
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Nov 6, 2009 6:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really agree with this comparison
Kobe had (and still has) a much higher usage % than Roy, and Roy ends a larger percentage of his possessions in assists, despite having inferior teammates.
I very much agree with your last paragraph though, and I think this is a very strong post overall.
by jksnake99 on Nov 6, 2009 2:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
The new Kobe plays defense too. I hope Roy will figure out a basic fundamental: that if your offense is sputtering, at least solid defense can be a constant. Plus, I would love for him as a leader, to lead by example and put more effort in this category.
by Stryder9 on Nov 6, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uh huh.
Been saying this for quite a while now. What’s harder to read is whether this has to happen organically, or whether it is a tactical choice. That’s on Nate to read and respond to.
There is something about the way Brandon extinguishes any momentum or attack when he receives the ball that does not maximize our offense. I don’t think it is willful on his part. It’s just that it’s time for him to adapt, and that is challenging.
In effect, Brandon is trying to play the PG and the SG at the same time, and it is too much. He must choose a role in the context of a multi-weaponed offense and support his teammates in carrying more of the responsibility. One step back, two forward kind of thing.
by Blazin' on Nov 6, 2009 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this assessment
In Brandon’s first couple seasons, for Portland to win, he needed to do everything – kind of like Paul in New Orleans right now. Now that LMA, Oden, Martell, etc. are developing, this is a squad that can hurt opponents in a number of ways, not just through Roy. He’ll get it, but like you said, it’s going to be a bit fitful until the end of the line.
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Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 6, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's very frequent that Roy reacts...
He is so deliberate and methodical, which is why he and Nate get along so well. Painful to watch sometimes, and must be frustrating to be on the floor with sometimes.
I’m just glad Webster is showing some hustle off the ball and cutting to the hoop, otherwise I’d just fall asleep most games.
by superfly05 on Nov 6, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We ought to start a club...
I felt like the town outcast a couple of months ago, with the heretic opinion that BRoy needed to change… Like to see the progress fans, BRoy, and Nate are making… Our real team will start as soon as Dre gets the keys…
by Visionary2 on Nov 6, 2009 4:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of us been saying it for a year and a half on here.
And catching plenty of flak for it. But welcome to the party!
by Blazin' on Nov 8, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit
as much as I like Roy (and the Blazers as a team), his (and the team’s) style of play is my least favorite to watch. Roy still has a lot to learn, hopefully he has an open mind.
by superfly05 on Nov 6, 2009 5:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roy is the "catch 22" of this team
Without him, we are not too good…with him we are not too good…..
I agree with your post and it is a realistic adjustment that needs to be made….however, Roy is the backbone of this team….with that said, he hurts this team by playing “Nate ball” …………slow, methodical and no imagination (extremely regimented & mechanical)
this is, actually, not only Nate’s style , but Roy’s as well….he really can’t do it any other way…..he doesn’t want to run, primarily because he can’t….he simply slows this team down….and by doing this they are making an old team out of a young one….I don’t know if Miller is the guy (because a quicker point that can shoot would be preferable), but it’s a situation that is going to stall this team….But they have been stalled all along, we just haven’t noticed it as much until this year…..So this is why I say Roy is the catch 22 of the Portland Trailblazers……
by WyEast on Nov 6, 2009 5:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
5 Games...
…and Brandon is the Old Kobe … (borderline blasphame)
Sideline, casual fans, watching from their living rooms know more then the coaches and players…I’m ashamed of this post… I’m out!!!
GO BLAZERS!!!
by Ilikeemall on Nov 6, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
I like this post
Because when we’ve won several conference championships and maybe even an NBA championship or two with Roy as the MVP I’ll link back to this and get banned for making fun of you all.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
by jamon51 on Nov 6, 2009 5:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
overreact much after a few games people?
by OneTrickPony on Nov 7, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the point that BRoy has been acting more like the old Kobe.
He has dropped his assist numbers and no longer seems to know how to play off of others (like he did a couple of years ago).
But Kobe won it all with drum roll DEREK FISHER. Pretty much a slower version of Steve Blake. Kobe stuck to his guns and kept the PG he was comfortable with and won a championship: Take that Andre Miller.
*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 6, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I submit that Derek Fisher has ten thousand times the big game experience than Blake does
And that they are not really that comparable at all
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 11, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ridiculous analogy and staylost said it best. Kobe won it with Fisher.
Roy has always played the team game. Its his ability as a playmaker and a superb ballhandler that highlights Blake’s three point shooting. Also didnt Kobe just drop 41 twice in three games?
by Kaanyr Vhok on Nov 6, 2009 10:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Blake may make Brandon better right meow...even
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It was rip city showtime - fully fantastic - positively Portland - slam bombastic!
by doublezeroduck on Nov 8, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Make Brandon better right woof
I want to see that
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 8, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness
Kobe won with limited point guards in a triangle offense, a scheme that largely replaces a point guard (by allowing players to get space without one). Good that there is a thread going on that subject right now. My offense fundamentalism in a nutshell: All offense boils down to options and execution. Our options have gone up considerably with dre, but that requires a lot of practice to have a comparable level of execution to our numbingly simply approach last year. So what I’m saying is: we’ll be fine. Just may be a bumpy ride for a while.
by Sound_Automatic on Nov 8, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right
I hope that’s what’s going on. Honestly, if we started running the triangle, I’d give the team an entire season to learn it. It would be worth it. That offense has been run for more than half the championships since 1991, if I’m not mistaken.
by sagcat on Nov 10, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kobe also had
a few players that know how to move the ball in Odom, Gasol, and Walton, in addition to Fisher. Despite being old and slow, Fisher smart and quickly decisive and unafraid to do whatever it takes on a given possession. They also went and traded for Shannon Brown to give them the athleticism and D that Fisher can’t. I assume Farmar will eventually give them the best of all worlds, but his light bulb hasn’t turned on yet (I hope it never does).
We need as many smart passers as possible on the floor that are individually a threat to the defense as well. Blake (I used to be a bigger fan of his) proved during the playoffs that he knew he wasn’t the answer. He was extremely tentative and often drove and dribbled to no good result. He deferred to other players with lesser shooting abilities even when open. He showed even he didn’t believe he was more than an accessory, so I don’t believe he is, either. Blake’s best possible contribution these days is to shoot the three and shoot it quickly (unless he gets better getting the ball in the post, I saw signs of this last game). If he hesitates or defers, I don’t want him on the floor. Once Nate, Blake and BRoy realizes Blake is a not-quite-as-smart-or-accurate Steve Kerr, we’ll be better off.
BTW, it was the same with MJ. He had Pippen doing the same things Odom does (only better). The PG (Paxson, Hodges) hit jumpers and little else. I suppose BJ Armstrong could penetrate a bit.
Because our SFs (Webster, Outlaw, Batum) are not really capable of this sort of facilitation of the offense, we need that to come from other places, like the PG. Starting Roy as a SF while retaining Blake is a bit of a band-aid. Rudy instead of Blake would possibly offer the best ball movement, but the 2nd unit would struggle to score. Playing Bayless more with the 2nd unit would probably help that, at least he would be aggressive.
by SGIndigo on Nov 8, 2009 3:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think Nic Batum
Is as good as or better than Pippen was at 20/21 years old. Scottie wasn’t Scottie his first couple of years, and he was older than Nic. And Nic has made it obvious that Scottie Pippen is his hero and template. If he even comes close, we’ll have a 2-3-4-5 of Roy, Batum, Aldridge, & Oden… It could be nifty. Extremely nifty.
by sagcat on Nov 10, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon just had the fewest points and most assists of any Blazer tonight
This myth is busted.
by levelhed on Nov 8, 2009 10:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Wolves game was just QED to the original point, IMO
There are times when your star scorer needs to sacrifice his point output in order that others become more involved; such was the Sunday evening game. There will be many other games when Brandon’s scoring will be essential. The key for Brandon, which I doubt he’ll have difficulty with when his head is into it, is determining on the fly which is which. Those decisions, and the scoring, will all be made much easier with a solid point guard on the floor, as was the case against the Wolves, to help with the flow.
by blazerwizard on Nov 9, 2009 6:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon is playing more and whining less and that makes us all happy
Brandon isn’t the backbone of this team really. He had to be last season because we didn’t have anyone else who could score reliably and make good decisions with the ball. Now arguably we have four or five players who can do those things. This makes heroic individual efforts from Brandon far less important. He’s learning that. You can see it from game to game. And you hear far less whining in the press.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 11, 2009 10:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Brandon never "whined" to the press...
He’s a Class Act, All Star guy… Saying I’m comfortable with Steve Blake in preseason isn’t whining… Saying, in preseason, I don’t know my roll in yet isn’t whining.
I’m alright with BRoy being the backbone of the team as long as the team has the rest o the skeleton too…
GO BLAZERS!!!
by Ilikeemall on Nov 11, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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