Oden v Howard v O'Neal

by 7677maniac on Nov 4, 2009 11:30 PM PST Comment 9 comments

Howard Oden

Games 82 66

MP 2670 1429

FG 352 211

FT 277 152

ORB 287 185

DRB 536 288

TRB 823 473

PTS 981 574

RR/M .308 .331

O'Neal's first season (81 games): 3071 MP, 1122 TRB, .365 RR/M

Howard (career) : 14742 MP, 5160 TRB, .350 RR/M

From these statistics it is clear that Oden is statistically about on par with Howard. Oden appears to have benefited from the year in college because his first year rebound rate per minute is greater than Howard's rate after the first season of Howard's career, Shaq's year in college probably helped him too. Oden and Shaq may have higher initial rates than howard because of better fundamentals learned during a year in college basketball.

While Howard's career rebounding rate per minute has climbed from his first year, Shaq's declined to a .316 rebounds per minute, however after the first five seasons (13105 MP) Shaq's RR/M was .330 the same rate as Oden.

The question I pose to the blazer edge community: would having a point guard like Hardaway or Nelson increase Oden's minutes on the floor?

Does Miller fill the bill?

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I dont see fouls calculated into those stats.

Oden will never live up to his potential without getting control of himself on defense. Those guys know how to stay on the floor, Oden doesn’t.

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by In Walks Rudy on Nov 5, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Fouls aren't calculated into the stats

but that is why 7677Maniac wrote: “would having a point guard like Hardaway or Nelson increase Oden’s minutes on the floor?”. Because having a point guard that can play perimeter/pick-and-roll defense would shrink Oden’s foul rate.

by rpresto2 on Nov 5, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Howard has been trouble staying on the floor recently too...

I think part of it is the game has changed. The rules are more set for quick perimeter guards. I wonder how long it is before teams start running inverted offenses. Orlando did that some last year and it worked out well… Lakers occasionally do it with Aldridge. Seems crazy all the fouls Greg gets…. I remember Shaq bulldozing through opponents and making space with his off hand and traveling all over under the basket. The NBA just doesn’t think it is in their best interest for Oden to be a star.

by Escrote on Nov 5, 2009 10:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Oden will stay on the floor a hell of a lot longer if someone up top plays D...

Yes, having hardaway or nelson would make a huge impact on the C.

by erleichda70 on Nov 5, 2009 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

How about this metric:

Howard is the best rebounder in the NBA and a potential 25 point scorer every single night…

Andrew Bynum looks terrific and you can almost bank on 20 during his 40 minute nightly runs…

Oden plays good defense, gives the ball away at an alarming clip on offense because his “moves” are slothlike, and when he manages stay on the floor more than 25 minutes, Blazer fans throw a little party…

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by timbo on Nov 5, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

While he looks more fluid (he should be), Bynum has his very own “what the heck?” moments. Just last night against the Rockets while I was watching (and that was maybe half the game) he blew three chippy layups that I’m fairly confident Oden would have thrown down with a dunk. What he did well was make his free throws at the end of regulation to send the game to overtime. Now he is injured day to day, and ESPN of course isn’t making a big deal out of this since he is Andrew Bynum and not injury-prone Greg Oden according to the established storylines.

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by Norsktroll on Nov 5, 2009 2:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bynum's stats look great this year.

However, 40 minutes a game is only happening this year. Last year, he averaged 28.9 minutes a game and was injury prone. Bynum’s stats from last year (his 4th year in the NBA):

1446 minutes total
28.9 MPG
14.3 PPG
8.0 RPG
1.8 BPG
1.7 TOPG

Greg Oden’s stats from last year (his 1st playing year in the NBA):

1314 Minutes total
21.5 MPG
8.9 PPG
7.0 RPG
1.1 BPG
1.4 TOPG

Greg’s a young player, and he is very raw at the moment. He is maturing on the court under the scrutiny of the NBA community. He does give the ball away a lot, and yet his turnovers per game last year were less than Bynum’s. He does foul a lot, but his game has vastly improved this year. I’m not big on conspiracy theories. The refs aren’t against Greg. I’ve seen many fouls called on Greg this year I disagree with, but that happens to almost every player in every game.

Bynum may be on his way to a break out year, but it’s his 5th NBA season. His 1st 4 seasons were respectable but not remarkable. Bynum played very little his 1st season, but his second season, his stats compared to Greg’s stats as follows: 0.4 more minutes per game, 1.1 less points per game, 1.1 less rebounds per game, .5 more blocks per game, and the same # of turnovers per game. If you think Greg was unimpressive in his 1st year then you have to say the same thing about Bynum in his second year.

I have no idea what the future holds for Greg or how his game will develop. But I will absolutely throw a little party every time he plays over 25 minutes and every time he throws down a monster dunk and every time he rejects a shot and every time I feel like it just because.

Bynum and Greg have only played one complete game against each other. Here’s the box score:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2009041022

You will notice their stats are almost identical.

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by Sean M on Nov 5, 2009 4:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Oden vs Bynum

I think it’s going to be a good rivalry between the Lakes and the Blazers for the next coming years. And I say that because Oden and Bynum are so young and they will go against each other 4 times a year.

Well let me welcome everybody to the wild wild west. A state that's untouchable like Elliot Ness.

by pharoah on Nov 6, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs