Charting Portland's 4th Quarter Offense
As mentioned in last night's Media Row Report, the Blazers -- and Brandon Roy in particular -- were flummoxed by their inability to execute on the offensive end down the stretch last night. As I noted, the only Blazer to make a field goal in the game's final six minutes was Travis Outlaw, who had 9 points. Andre Miller chipped in 2 free throws and that was it.
To get a better idea of exactly what happened, I charted every Blazers offensive possession from the 10:35 mark in the fourth quarter (when Brandon Roy checked into the game) through the end of the game. On each possession, I noted the team's lineup, who initiated the play, where was Roy at the end of the play, what happened on the play, and whether the play resulted in points.
Here's a link to the full-size chart. It's pretty interesting. I recommend skimming it at the very least.
In the two previous charting posts -- Greg Oden's Touches and Martell Webster's defense -- there were some fairly definitive, simple results: Greg Oden was not involved in the offense and Martell Webster really took care of business on defense. In this case, the results aren't exactly as black and white.
First, let's take a look at the numbers. During Brandon Roy's final stretch in the fourth quarter...
- The Blazers had 23 possessions.
- The Blazers scored points on just 8 possessions. Their points came from 5 players and were converted, in order: Aldridge dunk, Rudy 3, Roy jumper, Travis jumper, Travis 3 pointer, Travis jumper, Miller free throws, Travis layup.
- The Blazers scored 0 second-chance points.
- Miller initiated 12 plays, Roy initiated 6 times, Blake initiated 3 times and Webster initiated the final 2 possessions. Note: many of the plays that Miller initiated involved simply turning the ball over to Roy early in the possession on the wing.
- Points by lineup: Miller/Roy/Fernandez/Outlaw/Aldridge (7 points on 8 possessions)... Miller/Roy/Fernandez/Outlaw/Oden (5 points on 3 possessions)... Blake/Roy/Outlaw/Webster/Aldridge (0 points on 3 possessions)... Blake/Roy/Outlaw/Aldridge/Oden (0 points on 1 possession)... Miller/Roy/Outlaw/Aldridge/Oden (4 points on 4 possessions)... Blake/Roy/Fernandez/Outlaw/Aldridge (2 points on 2 possessions)... Roy/Fernandez/Webster/Aldridge/Oden (0 points on 2 possessions)
- The Blazers ran 7 pick and rolls with Brandon Roy as the ballhandler. That's a Roy pick and roll on nearly 1 in 3 possessions.
- Aldridge had 1 iso opportunity. Oden had the ball dumped into him in the post 1 time.
- Roy was generally single-covered throughout the fourth quater by Joe Johnson (Josh Smith and Marvin Williams each took brief turns). Double-teams are noted in the chart.
OK, now that you've got the numbers for some perspective, let's take a look at what worked and what didn't work.
What Worked
- The lineup with the best ball movement, the most diverse scoring options and the most points was Miller/Roy/Fernandez/Outlaw/Aldridge. This is obviously a smallish lineup with 3 guards and no true center. If ever there was a true flow on offense during this stretch of the game, it was with this five. It felt less grinding and a little bit looser. There was a good balance between Roy attacking the defense with other guys impacting play as well.
- Travis Outlaw was a little bit inconsistent in his court spacing throughout the fourth quarter but did an excellent job of knocking down shots when the ball was swung to him and also taking his man off the dribble when isolated one-on-one. He got stuck with the ball one time at the end of a busted play that led to a 24 second shot clock violation but that wasn't really on him. If there was a star down the stretch offensively, it was Outlaw (as mentioned last night).
- Roy was able to break his man down defensively regardless of who he played with, getting to the hoop and drawing a lot of attention from various Hawks defenders. His decision-making was perhaps a little bit below his usual standard in terms of finding guys but he did move the ball nicely on multiple occasions: finding Outlaw for his 3 and finding Aldridge off of a pick and roll. His consistent ability to draw attention was the Blazers' single best offensive weapon and it happened virtually at will. It's important to note that this was not a case of the sky falling, it's not like Roy isn't the same Roy as last year. Instead, there were some bad breaks -- a careless turnover, no foul on a hard drive -- that happen from time to time.
- The transition from Miller to Blake produced the choppiest stretch of play and the offense became pretty formulaic: Roy would run a pick and roll from various spots with either Aldridge or Oden. These possessions were by no means ugly and were very reminiscent of last year: Roy picked up a foul off the dribble and set up Aldridge for a wide open baseline jumper. The problem? The Hawks were not in the penalty at the time so Roy couldn't get free points at the line. Aldridge missed a clean look that he normally knocks down.
- Overall, Aldridge was a non-factor. He looked ill-prepared for a pass in the paint from a driving Brandon Roy, he struggled to convert from the offensive glass down the stretch, he missed a baseline jumper as mentioned and he didn't make himself a threatening target on the pick and rolls with Roy. Over the summer, I wrote how Aldridge would need to more aggressively command the ball in those situations, cutting sharply or fading to the proper spot to give Roy reasons to pass him the ball. Time after time, he was a passive target easily covered by the defense and easily ignored by Roy.
- On that same note, though, it's clear Roy is still familiarizing himself with the dynamics of the pick and roll offense. As smart as he is with the dribble, Roy found himself in some tight situations down the stretch, both because of his own doing and because of some excellent team defense by Atlanta. At various points, Roy: ignored screens all together, didn't rub his defender close enough to the pick-setter, and dribbled hard off the screen into a no-man's-land near the baseline. In live play, he was relying on his excellent instincts. On tape, he will probably be shaking his head at some of those decisions, as Atlanta seemed to have schemed him quite well, with post defenders offering help quickly and without fouling.
- Although this might anger many who desire that the Blazers push the tempo, the results when the pace picked up weren't great. Miller had two shots blocked in transition that went back the other way before the Blazers defense could recover.
- Oden's foul trouble complicated matters, stepping on any offensive flow the team hoped to create. McMillan had been saving Oden for the stretch when he had four fouls. Once inserted into the game, though, Oden lasted just 3 possessions before picking up his 5th. By the time McMillan got Oden back in the game for the final minutes, the Hawks' lead demanded that McMillan pull him back out so that he could load up his lineup with shooters. It was the worst of both worlds for Oden: not much playing time and adversely impacting the flow when he was on the court.
- There was no "inside-out" game to speak of. Roughly 90 percent of plays during this stretch occurred outside-in. In other words, guards were attacking a solid Hawks defense that was succeeding in harassing ball handlers into turnovers and doing a good job of surrounding Roy in particular, forcing him to pass through traffic. While this strategy led to some open shots for Travis, who dutifully knocked them down, it also saw the Blazers unable to get Aldridge or Oden going offensively and unable to make any real impact on the offensive boards. It also quite often found Portland's perimeter players (Rudy, Blake, and Miller) taken out of plays completely when off the ball. Take a look at this shot or this shot. Mike Woodson is giggling as he surveys those.
- As the charting indicates, Roy, too, found himself off the ball on the perimeter many more times than the Blazers would like to see.
It's very important to remember this analysis covers less than 11 minutes of play in one game. Nevertheless, I think there are some takeaways.
- The Miller/Roy/Fernandez trio has some serious potential offensively and is likely the best option for kick-starting things when the Blazers are struggling to score, especially when paired with either Outlaw/Aldridge or (ideally) Aldridge/Oden.
- Going back and forth between Miller and Blake down the stretch can create more problems than it solves.
- Whether through locating pick and rolls differently (i.e. on the side instead of up top) or by isolating him on more occasions, the Blazers can do a much better job of involving Aldridge down the stretch. This will need to be a point of emphasis.
- Consider having Roy dump passes in to either Aldridge or Oden to allow more offensive flexibility on the ball side. When Miller dumps the pass in, his man can collapse because he's not a shooting threat. When Blake dumps the pass in, defenders collapse because they feel they can close out on him quickly and need not worry about him pump-faking to attack the rim. Roy's man must play more honestly, respecting both Roy's jumper and his driving abilities. This allows more room for Aldridge to work and a lethal safety valve should he encounter trouble.
- Oden setting high picks late in games serves no purpose unless 1) he becomes a target after the pick and 2) Roy looks for him. 1 will absolutely have to happen before 2 does. Neither happened Tuesday night.
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Fire Hollinger!
Not sure anyone’s ever said that…
by kellex-BoL on Nov 4, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
No one has ...but it is a good idea
Or we could just wrap him up in duct tape, it would be the most historical segment of his life
by WyEast on Nov 6, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great work Ben
The 4th Quarter last night was really tough to watch. I hope these guys can have some fun soon. Let loose a bit…
by broyposse on Nov 4, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great write up Ben.
Miller Roy Rudy line up creates numerous offensive mismatches tha can be exploited but it would be best used in short sputs such as the end of halves.
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by Dep H on Nov 4, 2009 3:38 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
exactly
At the end, every weakness is exploited. The lack of defensive chops in this lineup will cause it to be picked apart in many end of game situations (obviously this is sort of O/T since the post is about offense).
by atomiccafe on Nov 4, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Off track to the post
but still correct……although I think the post was an excellent breakdown and took some time, it still is isolated and is just taking a short snapshot on offense only….(as Ben said) Using snapshots is a good tool, but really has no conclusion…..The next game you play would, most likely, cancel out these results due to the lack of consistency in the Blazer’s game play….and of course defense……
by WyEast on Nov 4, 2009 6:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My first thought looking at these numbers was "What about the defense?"
I realize this wasn’t the point of the exercise, but it would be interesting to look at the same line breakdowns for defense over that time period. It doesn’t do any good to score if we’re not getting stops at the other end when we’re behind.
by grigs on Nov 4, 2009 3:38 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
My first thought too
While Miller/Roy/Fernandez/Outlaw/Aldridge might have been our best offensive lineup, it seems like our interior defense would be hurting playing small consistently.
by pcrackenhead on Nov 4, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
people just keep looking at offense
for some reason….
good teams play defense, and let their offense take care of itself through attrition …..would not need to breakdown the offense much, if good defense was played…a lot of things will work better on offense, if you keep the defense on their heels…….a set offense is usually easy to defend because they know what the Blazers are going to do…..In short it is more about defense than most people want to admit……It should be a way of life
It may not be purty ….but if you only score 73 points and the other team gets 72…you win…I’d even bet if you consistently held teams to 90 or under, there would be a lot more blowouts and plenty of offense to boot….
by WyEast on Nov 4, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for hte break down
I’m honestly surprised that was the best line-up as it felt like Miller was disruptive and Webster did well.
I’d love it if you could do this over a number of games as a question I asked is “what line up is most effective”.
It also seems that line-up is extremely week on defense and really I’d want the line-up that had the best ratio of give vs take (excellent on offense but horrid on defense=no good, but very good on offense and good on defense is pretty decent)
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But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
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by ratbastird on Nov 4, 2009 3:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff!
It pretty much sums up or plays off many of the discussions in various posts today minus the defense as grigs mentioned or the fire Nate rants…
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by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 3:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Great work yet again
some thoughts:
Miller initiated 12 plays, Roy initiated 6 times, Blake initiated 3 times and Webster initiated the final 2 possessions. Note: many of the plays that Miller initiated involved simply turning the ball over to Roy early in the possession on the wing.
IMHO, these should be re-categorized as Roy initiated.
The Blazers ran 7 pick and rolls with Brandon Roy as the ballhandler. That’s a Roy pick and roll on nearly 1 in 3 possessions
More accurately, the Blazers ran 7 picks with Roy as the ballhandler. Roy stopped running the pick and roll about halfway through last season, and has since become much more predictable when receiving picks. Teams have learned they don’t have to respect the threat of passing to the roller, so they can just load up on him, which is why this play has become less effective. As you pointed out, the picker deserves some of the blame for not making himself a better target, but maybe there is some chicken and egg going on there too. Roy rarely passes to the roller, so maybe the roller stopped looking for it… ?
McMillan had been saving Oden for the stretch when he had four fouls. Once inserted into the game, though, Oden lasted just 3 possessions before picking up his 5th. By the time McMillan got Oden back in the game for the final minutes,
Once he put him in with 4 fouls, he should have just let him play when he picked up number 5. At that point I think there was less than 6 minutes left in the game – why not keep him on the court? What are you going to save him for at that point? And to make matters worse, very late in the game when we were down 4 coming out of a timeout and needed a bucket, we didn’t put him in to get a chance at the offensive board. Since we were running the 1-4 isolation and not a play involving either (let alone both), Travis and LaMarcus, why wouldn’t you put such a dominate offensive rebounder in the game?
~90 percent of plays during this stretch occurred outside-in
Not surprising, this has always been what we do down the stretch.
On your adjustments:
-Miller/Roy/Rudy – duh! that’s what most of us have been saying
-Miller/Blake flip-flop – seems obvious
-Absolutely agree. We need to get LMA some playcalls down the stretch
-Great point. Rudy might also be an acceptable option as the entry passer
-Oden should not ever be setting this pick at the high 3point line. even if he rolls and is an available target, it’s too far from teh bucket. if he’s picking, it’ needs to be more around the elbow. Additonally, he is now woefully out of position to get an offensive rebound – something he excels at. Use LMA for the pick or use Oden much closer to the bucket.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 4:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The offensive pros to smallball did not outweigh the defensive cons.
The Miller/Roy/Fernandez/Outlaw/Aldridge lineup gave up something like 16 straight points in the paint. I seriously thought I was watching a Harlem Globetrotters game, and Portland was that Washington team they drag around the country to humiliate.
by Sean M on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic work Ben
Your charting series is quickly becoming my favorite feature on BE.
I wonder what the defensive charting looked like? Intuitively, I agree with Sean M’s assessment that the small ball lineup got killed defensively.
by DC Blazer on Nov 4, 2009 4:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
what bothers me is that they aren't utilizing our player's strengths
we pound the ball to Aldridge to start every game, and then we stop for some reason in the mid 3rd quarter. I would go to that until they HAVE to stop it and react…or until they have major foul trouble. That being said, Aldridge needs to make some moves and not constantly settle for fall-away jumpers
Miller is not a shooter, so why don’t we spread the floor for him to penetrate? or at least clear out and let him post up – a major strength of his game…he had Bibby on him last night and we didn’t try to post him up once
Greg fights for position in the paint on alost every play, yet we only get it to him when he’s outside the key and has to make a move to score…why aren’t we running more lob and backdoor plays for him to get him the ball in easy scoring position( a la the Brian Shaw-Shaq lob play from their Laker days)
its just things like this that bother me, because we have a lot of ability but it seems like they’re not even TRYING these things….post up Miller more, run some lob plays for Oden, and keep pounding the ball to Aldridge – it will open up things dramatically for Roy, Webster, Rudy, Travis, etc.
by rip_city_swagger on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
Greg and LMA down low
Seems like some cross screens and back picks could get us some great post up opportunities and lob plays when Miller is in there…
by CougzRule on Nov 4, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden also gets the ball on bounce passes to the outside.
He gets great position, then has to step out to receive the low pass.
This is when he often gets stripped because his man doesn’t have to worry about him turning quickly since he is now off balance reaching for a low entry.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Nov 4, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As a PG...
One of the things that I make sure when I throw a post entry is to throw the ball high away from the guy that is sealed. Now, if someone whose basketball career consist of JV and intramural ball can do this, why can’t Blake?
by xedubx on Nov 4, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent point on Miller
McMillan appears to want him to run the point just like Blake which doesn’t make sense. Miller is great in the post and great at pushing the tempo. McMillan should try and use that to our advantage.
by the glide on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon won't have it
He wants the ball in his hands, he wants to initiate the offense. If we see Andre given the green light to penetrate or post up, it will be with the “second unit.” This is B-Roy’s team. How far they progress will depend largely on his ability/willingness to broaden our half-court offense beyond Play 1: Brandon Makes Magic Happen.
I honestly thought he would be thrilled to play with a guy who could take some pressure off him and let him work without the ball a little. Clearly that’s not the case, at least not yet. To Brandon, giving up control of the ball = sacrifice. “I need the ball in my hands to make magic.” I hope that Brandon wants to be an NBA champ more than he wants to be David Copperfield…I would have bet anything on it before this season, now I’m starting to wonder.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 4, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone should do a chart of Ben
showing which articles he includes charts in vs. how well the article is received.
Disclaimer: everything I know about basketball I learned on Blazersedge.
by pualo on Nov 4, 2009 4:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
chart how many minutes jason quick rants about charts on podcasts
per charts made by Ben.
by alex2j on Nov 4, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben...I'm really liking these breakdowns of yours
my only question is…how do you find the free time to do this?
Also…is it possible if you could field our questions from twitter during the post game press conference? maybe we can send you questions and you pick out a few to ask nate/players?
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 4, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Outstanding article
Watching these early-season games has been pretty painful…I appreciate that you’re willing to watch them again and do some actual analysis. Sure beats the “It must be Miller’s fault, cuz we were freaking AWESOME last year!” drumbeat.
Thanks again.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 4, 2009 4:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes,
in Ben’s analisis Miller looks like one of the only bright spots.
by the glide on Nov 4, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
read the whole thing
Miller was not a bright spot
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dunno, I think he comes off about as well as anyone...
I know the story, Miller’s bad for chemistry (no matter how many 11 assist, 0 turnover nights he has), whatever happens is Miller’s fault, we’ll never again scale the great heights we scaled last year with him on the team, and the awesome team offense with which we dominated Houston in Round 1 is a thing of the past, thanks to Andre’s stubborn insistence on playmaking. I get it. Not a bright spot.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 4, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
11 assists vs. 0 Turnovers is a nice ratio
1-6 shooting, including a missed layup what would have pulled the Blazers within two late in the game and a 13 +/ make his “contributions” suspect at best.
And last night was his best game yet. When our point guards go 3-16 – that is a lot of wasted possessions. 13-1 Ass/TO ratio doesn’t make up for it when your opponent torches you for 34 points; 12-2 Ass/TO ratio.
The Blazers got wupped at the PG position, and Blake and Miller get all the blame.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To say Blake and Miller
get all the blame for Crawford is inaccurate. Crawford did the VAST majority of his damage playing SG alongside Bibby at PG. He played PG for the last 4 minutes of the 1st and the first 7 minutes of the 4th. The Blazers were +6 during this time while Crawford was 2-4 with 4 points.
Of course, he also played pretty well while we played the moronic Blake-Miller-Roy backcourt for a while in the 2nd quarter when we were -5 (while Crawford was playing next to Bibby).
by Royster on Nov 4, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Now Andre’s responsible for Blake’s stats, too? Haven’t seen that one before.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 5, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fast Break
Although this might anger many who desire that the Blazers push the tempo, the results when the pace picked up weren’t great. Miller had two shots blocked in transition that went back the other way before the Blazers defense could recover.
I won’t speak for others, but I am looking for tempo to be pushed early in the game not late. I f opportunities present themselves late – great – but I understand that pace is likely to slow in the fourth quarter – especially in a close game.
by Tiparillo on Nov 4, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
our 4 on 2 break resulted in LMA getting the ball too early, and having to make a pass, with the receiver being Miller, who should be on the opposite end of that equation. bad positioning that likely can be attributed to lack of practice and experience in fast break positioning.
I don’t remember the other play
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
excellent point
We have the players to push the tempo but that is something for earlier in the game. Also the Blazers need to get beack on “D” and recover. The Blazers can’t stop running because they don’t want to get back quickly on defense.
by the glide on Nov 4, 2009 5:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Another Excellent Post Ben....Id also like to see
How the Hawks scored in the 4th against those various lineups and who was guarding whom during that time. I can remember Roy and Rudy both on Josh Smith instead of Martell. I remember Josh Smith scoring at least 2 buckets on smaller defenders. There is no way that Outlaw should ever be on Josh Smith and Blake on Joe Johnson yet it happened at least 3 times in the 4th. Also on a couple ISO plays Aldrige cut to the basket and so did Oden and neither got the ball and the defensive intensity didnt seem there until it was too late much like the Rockets game in Houston.
Why dont the Blazers press more of a made bucket? They surely have the athletism for it and seems to create turnovers in the last 2 minutes when they do do it but unfortunately are already down by 6.
by TheOdenator52 on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Id also like to say that Roy should be looking for the cutters more when he is double teamed
and players should be rolling to the basket and not to the 3 point line so much. But we have seen that for 2 years now. Roy seems bent on winning the game on his own. He had 5 assists through 2 quarters and 1 in the 3rd….0 in the 4th.
by TheOdenator52 on Nov 4, 2009 4:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this would imply we have cutters
unlike the other 29 teams in the NBA, when a player is doubleteamed, we don’t seem to cut to the basket at all, rather we drift to the 3 point line. I can only assume this is by design, but I could be wrong I suppose.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 4:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree and see that as a major deficiency in the offense
How many times last year watching the Lakers games vs Blazers did they send Odom or Pau down the lane. The picks seem to be set to far out and they know that the Blazers arent going to cut to the rim so they jump out nad it creates turnovers. Hate to say it but Sergio was the best last year at getting the ball to cutters.
by TheOdenator52 on Nov 4, 2009 5:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks a lot, Ben
This is great stuff — your blogging PER has taken a Roy-like leap from Year 1 to Year 2. Love everything you’ve been doing so far this year.
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by BlazersOrBust on Nov 4, 2009 5:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the info
Would like to see Roy’s final position as “fighting for the rebound” whenever possible.
by the glide on Nov 4, 2009 5:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Send this post to Nate, STAT!
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Nov 4, 2009 5:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
We should push tempo
Our half court offense sucks, and we are a deep team so why not push tempo. But that means we have to force more turnovers and rebound consistantly too. The increase in our turn overs brought on by a higher tempo game shouldn’t worry anyone. It’s not about the number of TO’s you have, its about the percentage of possessions you turn the ball over on. If you get 120 possessions and turn it over 20 times, you still have ten more chances to score then if you have 100 possessions and turn it over 10 times.
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A higher tempo should result in more foul calls in our favor as well perhaps partially correcting a big problem in our offense which is we don’t get to the free throw line enough. It would create more layups and make us less of a jump shooting team and would get more players involved. Some real pressure on the perimeter might lessen the fouls that our big men are getting. It certainly can not hurt.
by zersrule on Nov 4, 2009 5:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's going to be very interesting to see
who will be finishing games a month from now.
I can’t see a lineup of Rudy, Roy and Miller working because of obvious issues on D and rebounding. Since Roy starts all the plays anyways and basically plays point, I would think there’s little use for Miller. I think there has to be a strong solid SF on the floor for D and rebounding. That’s means Webster for now and Batum when he comes back.
Unless we start getting some easier baskets, none of this will matter anyways. There’s no way a jump shooting team that’s currently sitting dead last in fast break points will make a splash in the playoffs.. It’s just too hard to score enough to win night after night against half court NBA defense. Not to mention we’re average on D.
Thankfully we’ve got boat loads of talent and the guys are young.
by roner77 on Nov 4, 2009 5:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Respectfully
I think this post contradicts itself. We have little use for Andre, we can’t fast break, and we shoot too many jumpers…but we have lots of talent. Seems to me that — if you take Andre out of the equation — our remaining talent seems pretty content shooting jumpers late in the shot clock. What have you seen this year that makes you think any of that will change (other than Andre, who doesn’t count)?
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 4, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Impressive example of OBJECTIVE analysis !
So, does the team have some “chart” guy that builds up big time charts of whatever he can think of for the senior coaches consideration? Seems clear you could work at this full time providing all kinds of focused feedback. It can’t make the decisions, but it could be a real help. Really interesting, and a lot faster to read then to create.
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by Berkeley on Nov 4, 2009 6:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Before this season it seemed like Nate preferred set lineups.
This year he seems to be experimenting a lot more as Rudy, Travis, and Martell compete for wing minutes and he tries to sub Andre and Blake in and out. It has, at times, looked plain silly.
It hasn’t helped Nate that
1. Nic got injured
2. Oden can’t stop fouling people
3. Miller has not appeared to be capable of making a jump shot
4. Rudy looks tired
5. Outlaw is making a lot of jump shots
I hope Nate picks a damn lineup or he’s going to be more tired than Rudy’s back after this season…
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 4, 2009 7:13 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The part of the analysis that stuck out to me is this:
On that same note, though, it’s clear Roy is still familiarizing himself with the dynamics of the pick and roll offense. As smart as he is with the dribble, Roy found himself in some tight situations down the stretch, both because of his own doing and because of some excellent team defense by Atlanta. At various points, Roy: ignored screens all together, didn’t rub his defender close enough to the pick-setter, and dribbled hard off the screen into a no-man’s-land near the baseline. In live play, he was relying on his excellent instincts. On tape, he will probably be shaking his head at some of those decisions, as Atlanta seemed to have schemed him quite well, with post defenders offering help quickly and without fouling.
I would propose that part of what we are seeing now are growing pains for a team trying to evolve their game. I know that the B-Roy and others have expressed a certain amount of surprise that they aren’t just coming back to be the team they were last year, that they are having to do it all over again.
Well hey guess what? They are not the team they were last year, and I’m not referring to the lineup changes. I’m talking about offensive and defensive strategies. As we all know, this team is making a much larger effort on the defensive end this season. How many times on this site, and in the Oregonian, have I read players and coaches talking about “not thinking” while the player is on the floor? Dosen’t it make a certain amount of sense that a renewed defensive commitment is going to involve a bunch of games where players have to “think” about defense? If they’re putting mental energy and deliberation into the defensive end, could that cost them rythym on the offensive end? I think it can.
Furthermore, I think Ben’s paragraph above illustrates that Blazer fans are not unique in our concern about how much we rely on Brandon in isolation. Did B-Roy spontaneously decide to do a bunch of PnRs that he normally doesn’t rely on? No, that’s a coaching decision. So am I saying that in a close 4th quarter game with a W on the line, that Coach Nate would stick to the playbook and not fall back on our already established strengths? Sounds like classic McMillan to me. Make a plan, stick to the plan.
I think there is a paralell here. Those of you who follow golf may remember a period in Tiger Wood’s career where, basically, he sucked. Lasted for a while too. That was driven by a conscious effort on his part to rebuild his golf swing from scratch, because he felt he had hit a ceiling with his initial form. Eventually he worked through it and went back to crushing his opponents.
So if my hypothesis is correct, and some of our losses stem from an ambitious effort to deepen and broaden our strategy on the floor, then I fully expect that we will get over this hump. The team will develop “chemistry” with defensive rotations, B-Roy PnRs, etc. and we will take it to a new level.
by conspirator5 on Nov 4, 2009 7:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
This is consistent with what I have been thinking since the Atlanta game ended. Yes, the Blazers are doing a lot of little things poorly, which add up to a overall craptastic start to the season. But I do not think it is due to new players, skill regression, lack of effort and/or the loss of Batum, Sergio and RLEC. I think Nate is trying to change the way the team plays within their system, and it is going pretty bumpy. Perhaps Nate and KP expected this, but are willing to struggle for a while if it results in a stronger team.
I thinki it goes beyond the defensive mindset. I think that they do want to push tempo more (tho the numbers do not back this up – 64-19!!!), and go inside to Greg and LMA more often. I suspect that the players are struggling to figure out how to play this way. Maybe they are incapable, but I think it is more an issue of Greg’s foul trouble, and establishing rotations.
by Woodduck on Nov 4, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis passed up some WIDE OPEN threes in the last few minutes for contested mid-range jumpers.
So at best he was half offensive savior and half offensive goat in the last few minutes.
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by bfan on Nov 4, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
flummoxed?
c’mon Ben. You looked that one up.
by osu_fugitive on Nov 4, 2009 9:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
BEN, STOP!
I dont want KP to hire you away from here!!!!
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by MojoMan on Nov 4, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re fast breaking
There were a couple of plays in First Half that were rather instructive.
LMA is running out sees Blake is dribbling up ball and slows to a a half-hearted jog.
Little later LMA is running out and sees Miller has ball and keeps running. Miller throws laser that LMA catches and scores on.
by Tisbee on Nov 4, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I dunno. You can read it both ways:
1. We are messing with a lot of great new options; determining what works and what doesn’t. The results are not pretty just yet. (the optimist)
2. We are trying to correct weaknesses identified last season unsuccessfully. (the pessimist)
I favor the 2nd thought. We STILL have the same exact problems as last season:
1. terrible perimeter defense,
2. prefer the jump shot,
3. can’t get the ball into the paint
4. don’t run well.
So I am more despondent than others because I see this as absolute evidence of failing to improve on obvious problems. Others are reading it as ’lots of new adjustments that will take time".
If you think about it, both viewpoints suggest responsibilities that fall directly on the shoulders of the coach. If Nate does not recognize how badly we are failing at these 4 areas, all is lost. If he recognizes this and CAN’T correct their game play it is at least partially his problem.
I’ve played. I’ve coached a little. If you see your teams weaknesses and don’t or cannot change them…you just aren’t going to win. It’s that simple.
I have no faith in keeping our young players just for “development”. I’d look to trade Bayless, Blake and Outlaw for a speedy PG with GOOD defense and a banging 4 like Maurice Lucas to be LMA’s alter ego.
I would also kick Batum’s butt for playing all summer with a known shoulder surgery injury he obviously intended to have fixed during the NBA season…or wasn’t smart enough to know what was going to happen. He’d never forget his mistake when I was done with him…
by erleichda70 on Nov 5, 2009 9:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rediculously small sample size, and terrible analysis. Sorry Ben.
The Miller/Rudy/Roy/Outlaw/Aldridge lineup should almost never be used at the end of games. It negates any chance we have to get a defensive stop against 90% of the teams in the NBA, and eliminates any offense other than jumpshots, or haphazard drives into bigger defenders. It also eliminates much hope of getting a rebound.
Like I said, terrible analysis. The line up that was most successful in the game, was the starting lineup in the first quarter, where we jumped out to a sizable lead. That lineup should finish the game as well. The defense is about the best we have, and the offense is not a thing of beauty, but it works. The fourth quarter lineups Nate is using are all weak.
by wingzeta on Nov 5, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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