Media Row Report: Blazers 91 Hawks 97
Asked for his thoughts about his team's still-developing playing rotations after tonight's 97-91 loss to the Atlanta Hawks in the Rose Garden, Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy seemed to admit some confusion. "It's hard to watch [the rotations] because I'm playing," Roy said. "I can't really get a feel."
Rule #298,765 of the NBA: when your star 2 guard isn't completely comfortable with the players surrounding him during crucial stretches of a close game against a playoff team, that's a bad sign.
Why would Roy -- one of the league's most erudite players -- be confused? Let's check the play by play...
During the last six minutes of tonight's game, these were the Blazers lineups that were on the floor, in order.
- Andre Miller, Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Travis Outlaw, LaMarcus Aldridge
- Andre Miller, Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Travis Outlaw, Greg Oden
- Steve Blake, Brandon Roy, Martell Webster, Travis Outlaw, LaMarcus Aldridge
- Steve Blake, Brandon Roy, Travis Outlaw, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden
- Andre Miller, Brandon Roy, Travis Outlaw, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden
- Steve Blake, Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Travis Outlaw, LaMarcus Aldridge
- Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, Martell Webster, Travis Outlaw, LaMarcus Aldridge
That's more than a lineup per minute down the stretch and more than a substitution per minute as well. Indeed, in just those final six minutes, Nate McMillan made a total of 9 substitutions. He used LaMarcus Aldridge at both the 4 and the 5. He used Travis Outlaw at both the 3 and the 4. He went with a small trio of guards and a big trio of guards.
So how did all the mixing and matching and micromanaging play out? With six minutes to go, the Hawks were leading by 6 points: 86 to 80. When the final horn sounded? The Hawks were leading by 6 points: 97 to 91.
It wouldn't have even been a late-game stalemate if not for an unexpected flurry from Travis Outlaw, who personally accounted for 9 of the Blazers' final 11 points on his way to 19 points for the game. Crush Travis Outlaw all you want but tonight, in a big game, he did what none of his teammates could do down the stretch: make a field goal.
While the offensive rhythm and execution were obviously lacking, it was the Blazers' defensive effort that cost them this game, their second home loss of the season in three tries. (Note: The Blazers didn't lose their second home game of last season until December 12. Today was November 3.) They simply had no answer for Hawks guard Jamal Crawford, who put on one of the most memorable offensive displays in recent Rose Garden history, finishing with 27 points and 7 assists, highlighted by a spectacular behind-the-back pass in transition that led to a wide open Al Horford dunk. Hawks guard Joe Johnson chipped in 19 points and 8 rebounds, including two baskets in the final 2 minutes to help ice it.
But Crawford was the difference-maker, beating his man off the dribble, sinking jumpers, making all nine of his free throws. The Seattle-area product zigged, zagged, dominated. As McMillan summarized post-game, "Crawford went crazy." Yeah, pretty much.
Crawford's explosion wiped out a fast start for the Blazers, who sank more than 55 percent of their shots during the first quarter and held a commanding 25-15 lead after one period. What happened after that? Well, the Blazers started taking more difficult shots -- lots of three pointers... way, way too many three pointers (21 in total) -- and the Hawks started to break the Blazers down off the dribble, setting up easy buckets at the rim. As the game wore on, both trends continued in exactly opposite directions: the Blazers took more difficult shots and missed them, the Hawks took easier shots and made them. This chart shows the Blazers' field goal percentage free fall as the game went on and the Hawks' steady climb through crunch time.
Like the confusing rotations, the home loss and lack of execution on both ends left Brandon Roy scratching his head. Asked if the team had entered the season taking things for granted, Roy responded, "No, I don't think so. What we didn't expect is that we were going to have to do it all over again. I think we thought we were going to pick it up where we left off and that's not the NBA. It's new to me, I'm sure it's new to a lot of guys in here... A lot of things changed and I don't think we've fully grasped that fact."
Obviously adjustments are in store for the Blazers, who are now 2-3 on the season, already 2.5 games behind of Division-leading Denver. Hopefully those adjustments start at the end: crystallizing a late-game philosophy that doesn't resemble a lacrosse match with mass substitutions conducted on the fly.
One of Nate McMillan's favorite phrases is: "We know what he can do." McMillan uses this phrase to describe nearly every player on his roster, an acknowledgment of their individual skills and his understanding of the player's fit within the team dynamic.
With the possible exception of Andre Miller, Nate McMillan knows what the 9 guys in his rotation can do. Yes, it's early. But it's time to let those guys do what he knows they can do. And that's not checking into and out of games.
A few brief thoughts...
Rudy Fernandez
With the exception of a few nice steals that turned in to baskets on the other end for his teammates, Rudy Fernandez continued to struggle mightily. Every shot attempt was a 3 pointer and he connected on just one of five. Although Fernandez was more aggressive in attacking the defense off the dribble, he looked to pass out to shooters rather than take a mid-range or closer shot of his own, almost without exception. Self-confidence problem? A strategy from the coaches? Lingering back spasm issues? All of the above? None of the above? Anyone?
If there's a single player that seems put off by the roster juggling it is Rudy Fernandez. In theory, he should be one of the most consistent contributors. In practice, through five games, he's been anything but.
LaMarcus Aldridge
Not a dominating performance (20 points/14 rebounds) but a very promising one: he didn't seem to show any ill effects from his knee contusion before the game during his warm-ups or during the game. He played hard, he played heavy minutes, he ran the floor and he hit the glass. Hopefully the soreness is manageable and he brings his A+ game on Friday. It will be needed.
Brandon Roy
Credit the Hawks for doing an excellent job taking away Roy down the stretch. Although Travis Outlaw stepped up fairly admirably, the entire offense looked disjointed without Roy's ability to break a defense down and get to the free throw line to stop the clock. Perhaps the topic of a future charting. Roy admitted that he himself would have to watch tape of tonight's game to get a full sense for why his shots were limited in the fourth quarter. Roy was just 1-3 in the game's final 12 minutes.
Nate's Post-Game Comments
Disappointed you most?
The two things you've got to do to give yourself a chance to win games. One: you've got to shoot the ball. You've got to knock down shots when you get shots. Second thing, we've got to play defense. Perimeter, isolation. We've had in our games, every game we've played other than Oklahoma City, a wing, one of these wings have had big nights. Tonight it was Crawford coming in with 17 points at the half. He ends up with 27 for the game. Basically you're out there by yourself and you've got to guard. We broke down and they were able to get in the paint. Score over the top, get in the paint, get layups with our bigs stepping in to get help.
Did you get outworked tonight?
I mentioned that. I feel like our level of play has gotta go up. To win we're not playing as hard as we need to, to win ball games. I did feel that.
Hot start, slow finish
It did. You've got to play defense. That's something that we've talked about. We've got to get it out on the court. We've got to make shots. We're not making shots tonight. Then defensively they had that 32 point second quarter and got that momentum. The zone disrupted them for a little bit and they were able to get on a read on that. It comes down to the two things: you've got to make shots and we've got to defend.
Surprising to be outworked at home?
Regardless of where you are you've got to work. I've really felt that our level of intensity needed to be better. But pretty much all the games, I thought in Houston they out-scrapped us. They were quicker. We did some good things in Oklahoma City. Tonight we played but to win games in this league you've got to work. That's not something I've had to say to this group in the last couple of years.
How surprising is it that effort is an issue?
Again, I haven't had to say that to this group in the last couple of years. My first year here, my first year or two, we talked about effort. But you know this team... that was just a known. That we were going to get that.
What do you attribute that to?
Whatever it is, we've got to get it. We've got to get out there and we've got to play together and we've got to scrap and we've got to battle. Last year is gone. It's a new year. Not that teams are going to lay down or anything like that. It's just the NBA, it's gotten better, teams have gotten better. We've got to be hungry. You've got to want it.
Why start Joel for the second half instead of Greg?
Because Greg was getting.... I wanted to stretch out that game, not get him in foul trouble. Get Joel in and get Greg in down the stretch. We were able to do that for a few minutes and then he picked up his 4th foul. I was trying to stretch out the game.
Hawks win points in the paint 50-34. Disappointing?
It's not in the sense that points in the paint comes from not just posting up but from penetration. When we talked about attacking the basket, it's not just post ups, it's from penetrating the ball. And right now we are settling for a lot of jumpshots as well as not going to the basket. They won the free throw line also. We only had 16 free throws tonight. We're a team that's averaged 24.
2nd unit
Crawford went crazy. He came in and he was that spark off the bench. We had no answer -- we could not stop him. That second, that first and second quarter, he had 17 in about 12 or 14 minutes. That gave them the momentum.
Change rotations or mix things up?
Regardless of when you go in the game, you've got to defend.
Settling for jumpers when possessing lead. How to stop that?
We've been a team that attacks the basket. We've got guys that can shoot the ball. We're not being aggressive getting to that basket. At times we're settling for the jumpshot. And pulling up. And not putting our head down and making strong moves to the basket.
-- Ben Golliver | (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com) | Twitter
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Love the graph
Blazers last season were a “4th quarter” team. Tonight they were a “1st quarter” team. They need to be a “4-quarter” team.
by Avoozl on Nov 4, 2009 1:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gosh its early but
this Miller signing is turning this team upside down. Last year everyone had a role set for themselves now Nate doesnt know what to do with Miller and the lineups. Why did they bring Miller in get this guy out. What a pathetic and desperate signing.
by BBG on Nov 4, 2009 1:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Their PG rotation was weak so they brought in a better PG-- it was a solid signing.
Its on Nate to figure out how to use the most talented PG the Blazers have had since Rod Strickland.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 1:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't pin it on the signing
A competent NBA coach would find a way to work a quality PG into the rotation effectively – remember Miller was apparently Nate’s choice in terms of free agents available. He brought this on himself.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 4, 2009 2:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
Was point guard depth really weaker than PF depth? I know you’re way down on Bayless, and obviously he hasn’t played like much of a point guard. But would you rather have Bayless at the back up point or Howard/Outlaw as the only options at back up four? I think the lack of depth in the frontcourt is killer, and it will be absolutely devastating if there’s an injury.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Nov 4, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
By far. Blake was serviceable, but Bayless and Sergio deserved very little playing time in the NBA
Where O where is Kirk?
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Nov 4, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Kirk would be great...
But I think you’re selling Sergio way short. He played solidly last year. In fact, I’ll say it – this team misses Sergio. Rudy most obviously.
I would argue Sergio and Bayless are far, far ahead of Juwon Howard in terms of being legitimate rotation guys in the NBA.
Turns out Sac-town was a bad fit for Sergio, by the way. They have a lottery pick and a relatively highly paid guy in front of him. There is nothing he can do to get minutes there, even though they’re awful… Sergio’s plight continues.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Nov 4, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, Sergio not getting playing time on arguably one of the 3 worst teams in the league is a sign of his quality how?
Sacramento was about the most ideal situation KP could find for him. An up-tempo bad team where he had and still has a legit chance to crack the rotation, with a starting point guard who was able to parlay his one good season into a multi-year multi-million contract but makes at least as many mental errors as Sergio himself and doesn’t have a better defense, passing game or much better shooting. Sure they were likely to draft a guard which they did, but it’s Sergio’s job to secure his own position in the rotation. Then Evans and Udrih even had injuries during the training camp and pre-season where he could have demonstrated his worth. Honestly, if Sergio can’t get playing time in Sacramento, he deserves to be out of the NBA next year.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 4, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sad but accurate
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 4:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Getting Hinrich wouldn't have solved anything
He’d just be sitting on the bench where Miller is currently sitting. That is all.
by xedubx on Nov 4, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He complains less ;)
In honor of the dearly departed, I declare July PB&J month - everyone raise a sandwich to the memory of Ben!
by wjb1492 on Nov 4, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we should have drafted Blair, but there was no problem with the Miller signing.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are beating a dead horse
Tonight’s discussion had nothing to do with the backup to the backup PF.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think you mean it's pathetic that we can't let go of Steve Blake
You know the guy we all said was a weakness last year
You know the guy we all know Miller is fifty times better than
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 6:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blake wasn't a weakness last year. Sergio was a weakness last year.
Blake is a great backup point guard – the problem was that we didn’t have a starter last year.
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Nov 4, 2009 7:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
now we do have a starter
but he is backing up our back-up
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 4, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which is somehow logical
right?
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 4, 2009 12:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't looked any better than Blake this season to me...
Mostly because he is an awful fit in Nate’s offense, much like Sergio was…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually much worse
Last night Miller had lots of stats and was on the floor during our worst point differential swings. Not to pike on Miller but he has not shown he is able to grasp and manage the system imo. Is he trying to establish his own way instead of Nate’s? Too early to call but of some concern from appearances.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is he trying to establish his own way instead of Nate’s
I actually think it is exactly the opposite. Miller is doing exactly what Nate wants, which involves him spotting up at the 3 point line far, far too often with Roy in the game. When Broy isolates, which is becoming a staple of blazer basketball over the last year or so, nate stuffs the pg and the sf in each corner so the floor is spread out and Broy has his outlet. Problem is, Miller can’t shoot threes, and won’t be able to any time soon….
by Rudiculous on Nov 5, 2009 2:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't blame Miller
This definitely isn’t on Miller, that was a good signing. This is mostly on Nate, some on Blake, and even a little on Roy. Miller is playing well and flowing with most of the team, but the constant line-up changes, the fact he’s coming off the bench for the first time in his career, and the fact that Roy’s style completely changes our flow are the big reasons we are seeing a lack of chemistry, energy and flow out there. Nate’s like a kid constantly experimenting with the line-up right now. That’s never going to get a rhythm going for long so he better figure things out quick. Blake should not be starting, he has no idea how to run a team, he’s an open 3 point shooter, that’s really his specialty. And Blake has no idea how to pass to anyone, but Roy. Even when he tries to lob to Oden, he can’t. And when it comes to Roy, he seems to be the only one who has a hard time playing with Miller which is on him too. There have been times when we’ve been on a roll with Miller and then Roy comes in and completely stalls the rhythm. It’s time for Nate to play coach instead of random experimentation.
by Coastie07 on Nov 4, 2009 9:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I respecfully disagree....
Nate’s problem is that he doesn’t experimant enough. He so stiff and unbending that his team misses opportunities. The Rockets Brooks just scorched them in the open court, did he try Bayless? No… The Nuggets game, Melo went nuts on them in the 4th quarter time after time. Did they send the double team? No…..
He just seems unwilling or unable to adjust, which makes Portland a very easy team to to plan for.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you say he doesn't experiment enough
When he had seven different lineups in a six minute stretch, and has been running different lineups all season so far? That’s ALL he’s doing is experimenting, looking for a combination that works.
by superfly05 on Nov 4, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is over-experimenting with lineups...
and not doing nearly enough experimenting with style of play in relation to the lineups that are out there…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec
set your rotation and stick too it barring injury and then experiment with different defensive and offensive schemes. Our team relies to heavily on one on one play, when we went on our big win streak last year we were playing as a team and we were proud of our assist totals. Coach needs to work on his in game decision making. Our offensive play is predictable and our perimeter defense is frightening. This leaves our bigs, both Pryz and Oden victims of foul trouble. We need to allow our guards to back off a bit and force the offense to shoot over the top with contested jump shots. This is the best outcome any team can hope for other than a turnover of some kind. Our pick-n-roll execution is terrible and you can’t pin that on the team, the coach has had most these players for at least two plus seasons. I think we should allow Nate to find his groove, but if he hasn’t found it by midway through the season we should start shopping a premier head coach. Pritchard will not fire Nate midseason and I think that is the respectable thing to do. Nate has this whole season to prove it. Last year the players proved they can compete, now it is on Nate to take it to the next level. I think it will all be Nate’s fate depends on a second round series.
by The Natural ala Mode on Nov 4, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
um...you can pin the execution of the pick and roll on the team...
Nate ain’t the one running it! That is ALL on the players. It is the simplest play run in basketball, the first play they teach grade-schoolers, and also the most effective if executed correctly!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
teaching execution is the responsibility of the coaches
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 5:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That actually isn't true.
Teaching how plays should be executed is the responsibility of the coaching staff.
Actually executing them properly is the responsibility of the players.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 5, 2009 7:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this Miller signing is turning this team upside down.
Beware the preseason warning from the Clipper’s fan. Acquiring Andre is like stealing the taboo statue from the temple of doom. He comes with a “curse” attached
Dec 15th can’t come too quickly…
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 4, 2009 9:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if anyone knows cursed
It’d be a Clips fans
by xedubx on Nov 4, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Miller is not perfect, but who else was available?
With the way they call hand-checking out front, quicker guards that can finish at the rim or dish off are the new energizer bunnies if the NBA.
Blake and Miller are not the answer. Bayless is yet to prove he can play under control and make good passes, so he is more of a scorer off the bench.
I’m afraid this year is going to be a long affair of watching quick guys repeatedly get into the lane while the Blazers try to play old school slow methodical ball and only win when a few guys get hot hands from distance.
by ralphzillo on Nov 4, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McMillan is beginning to show his limitations
Mac doesn’t demonstrate a lot of faith in most of his players – and that lack of faith is reciprocated. Want Oden to play with abandon? Play him more than 16 minutes. Design a defense that doesn’t have him trying to move out to a wing that is coming in. Every big loses that battle.
Want better offense? Figure out how to run the stupid pick and roll with more ability than a high school JV squad. Pathetic.
Want better offense? Learn to play off the guy that is breaking down the dribble. The Blazers do not recognize mismatches early in the clock – they don’t seem to work to create mismatches – and they do not capitalize on mismatches. 3 guys collapse on Roy? Where is the cutter or the 3-point shooter filing space?
Frankly – these team looks confused and uncoordinated right now – and although we should have expected this – I still blame the coach for not making this team more dynamic.
McMillan wants to control how his team play – rather than shaping this team to play well. I have no doubt that they will “get it” at some point – but a good coach gets them there today, not tomorrow.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 1:49 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
Beginning you say??
Dude’s been driving me nuts for a couple of seasons now. What is the Blazer offense anyway? And what a relief that Oden didn’t foul out! I’m sure glad he saved that 6th foul for the 5th quarter…..
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Nov 4, 2009 7:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
two names
Bennett Salvatore
Violet Palmer
When the NBA wants to put Portland “in their place” they send these refs to PDX to punish the Blazers. How much of a difference would 24 minutes of Greg made to the final score last night, instead of just 16?
I’d reckon at least 6 points, if not more
Nate playing a “small” lineup sucks, especially on defense. Everyone knows that Joel isn’t a scoring threat, but if a frontline of LMA/Outlaw can’t get defensive stops, the +/- doesn’t improve, reradless of how many points they score at teh other end. It’s always tough to score if you’re taking the ball out of the basket after your opponent is making an uncontested lay-in, because both of your centers are on the bench
Outlaw is the new Jarrett Jack. If Nate has him, he’ll use him at the end of games. Sometimes Travis’ shot goes in, other times he hesitates and passes the ball with 1 second left on the shot clock after passing up a wide-open 3 pointer with 3 seconds to go. This reminds me of when Jack stepped on the baseline or turned the ball over on the fast break. It’s past time for KP to “rescue Nate from himself” and take away option #25 (“small lineup”) from the roster
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 4, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forget blaming the refs. Oden is slow and he makes dumb fouls. EVERY game.
Blame Nate. He ran 12 minutes WITH NO CENTER, with Pryz on the bench with TWO fouls.
And today Nate’s stupid substitution decisions are reinforced by Geoffrey C. Arnold of the Oregonian telling us what an inferior offensive player Pryz is to Oden (factor in the turnovers, buddy) and how he can’t play defense…
I saw a non-stop parade of dunks and lay-ups by the Hawks. I saw a SMALL Hawks team playing a PF at the Center position outrebound the Blazers 46-36.
What game was Geoffrey C. Arnold watching??? I ask…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 4, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Agree completely
That line up was indefensible in more ways than one. First of all, if Travis is going to play power forward, you need a traditional center next to him to patrol the paint and control the boards. Let’s just say LMA is not that. He is the anti-Joel. In fact, during that stretch, LMA simply pretended Joel or Greg was in the middle and continued to jog around on the perimeter on D. Which led to the aforementioned layups.
This team needs to have either Joel or Greg on the court AT ALL TIMES unless both have a number 6 next to their name in the foul column.
AT ALL TIMES.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Nov 4, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This team is one of the few in the NBA who have better athletes than the Blazers
Greg is the primary equalizer and without Greg we have to keep it close and hope for some breaks at the end. We did not get the breaks.
We don’t need to panic over one night. It is a long season and we cannot overreact to one or 5 games. Make the playoffs. Get better. work out the kinks. We were 6-5 after 11 games last year working out the kinks.
When we have Greg we are a different team. Joel is a nice defender who was ineffective last night (for whatever reasons) on offense and defense. That was what I saw. It will not be the norm with most teams and on most nights I think.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 5:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Come on, Timbo
Their TOs are similarly putrid (37% to 33% TO% so far this year), Greg just gets the ball a lot more (17.3% Usg to 11.3% Usg). Especially embarrassing for Joel considering how often Oden gets double teamed. I seem to remember a play last night where Roy basically handed Przy the ball off a drive and he fumbled it all the way out to the perimeter, leading to a fast break bucket for the Hawks.
Factor in that Joel’s TS% is a full 20 points lower than Oden’s and it’s pretty impossible to conclude that Oden hasn’t been vastly superior as an offensive player to Joel.
by Royster on Nov 4, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Oden is a much better offensive player than Joel
I love Joel, but he can’t catch a pass standing still half the time, and if he’s on the move forget about it.
I totally agree, there was no reason to not have a center in the game. We needed stops and rebounds, not LMA as the 5. It doesn’t work against ANYONE, and if it happens to work it was just dumb luck.
Most of Oden’s turnovers are of the 3 in the key, illegal pick variety. Yes, he gets stripped, but he gets stripped less than Joel bobbles a good pass— and Oden will get better, as he actually does have really good hands. He has big, soft, warm, inviting hands that can palm the ball easily. I don’t think Joel can.
Joel is Joel— a great defender, shotblocker, dominant rebounder who has carved out a very nice niche as a premiere role playing big man. He still hasn’t been as good as the young, raw Oden has been this year, which is fine… we want Joel to be the steady backup.
But again, I do not understand NOT having a center on the floor all the time. The reason other teams go small is because they DON’T have 2 good centers and are forced to do it because of the lack of talent. We’re not a team that benefits from that gimmick, we need to overpower them with our size and length. End of story, dude!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Nov 4, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What I saw was that Joel was getting out jumped and out quicked last night
The athleticism of the Hawks was way above normal and gave everyone fits. When we could not stop penetration Joel could only hope they missed and get the rebound.
Another reason teams go small is because it creates a mismatch or counters a mismatch. That seemed to be the case here.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Except expecting the Center to be your defense is dumb
Same issues as last year – hoping the Blazers bigs can cover for lack of lateral quickness on the perimeter. Maybe they should just admit they don’t have any defensive chops and go zone (or always double-team the ball).
Otherwise both Centers will be in foul trouble all night long, all season long. Yes, Oden still gets cheap fouls, but that should change once we start paying the refs better.
by ralphzillo on Nov 4, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fouls on Go & Pryz
is keeping them off the floor. It’s killing us. I absolutely believe this is the heart of our problems. You can’t stabilize rotations without one of the two in the game at all times. GO needs to understand that his team needs him on the floor. If someone blows by him (and I hate to say this) he needs to let him go. If he picks up that first foul early, as he often does, he needs to just back off!
by toolman on Nov 4, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Hawks should NEVER outrebound this Portland team
We have too many quality bigs to let that happen.
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oden is slow and he makes dumb fouls. EVERY game.
Does Greg get 5 fouls in 16 minutes EVERY game? No. So the refs had an impact on his availability, and every Blazer fan should know the team’s history when Salvatore and Palmer are calling the games. It takes a “better than average” effort for Portland to win a home game with those two refs in the house, and the Blazer players didn’t make the necessary “compensation”
Blame Nate. He ran 12 minutes WITH NO CENTER, with Pryz on the bench with TWO fouls.
If you had read past the first 6 lines of my reply, you would’ve seen that I did, in fact, “blame” Nate for sticking with the “small” lineup
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
by two4larue on Nov 4, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate can't get out there and defend for them...
if he could, I personally believe Greg would have less foul trouble !!
Nate played defense, his man wouldn’t have gotten to the paint at will. Hand check rule or not.
If the Blazer defense doesn’t have the quickness to stop their man, FOUL HIM, so Greg and Joel don’t. Don’t just turn around and watch. The foul total will be the same, but we have a lot more pg’s than centers.
Maybe Ben can do a charting of how many fouls Blazer centers pick up on non-centers. Thats the stat I want to see.
They can’t depend on the refs, one way or another, they need to just play.
"That's just how I get down"........ Andre Miller
by FrenchieFan on Nov 4, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate McMillan
He is one of the best development coaches in the NBA, but he is not a good coach for a team looking to take that next step, were no longer a young team filled with rookies we are a playoff team. toying with rotations, not having the confidence to throw the best five out there, players being constantly confused on what there supposed to be doing, I can not think of a coach who intends to go deep into the playoffs that does this.
Nate I have a feeling this may be your last year if you don’t turn things around and improve on last year
Trade players for picks and draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Nov 4, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
When does Nate take some responsibility??
It seems strange that that we’re all saying it, but nobody in the mainstream media (hello Jason Quick) has stood up and questioned Nate’s accountability in all of this.
Clearly he’s been great for the Blazers up to this point – but now we’ve reached a point of needing a coach who can take us the rest of the way.
by anotherthought on Nov 4, 2009 8:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate has skills to be an assistant coach, but not head coach
He proved his abilities as an assistant on the Olympic team, but has never demonstrated he can get it done as the head man…it’s a much bigger picture and it involves coordinating all of your assets and liabilities and adjusting as such…..He has never proven he can make the adjustments this team needs…..So….hey Nate, we would love to have you as a coach….just not head coach…..
by WyEast on Nov 4, 2009 10:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Brown?
Frequently does this. Last I looked Larry is the only coach in history with NCAA and NBA championships and one of a very few to take two different franchise teams to the NBA finals.
Last night Mike Woodson did this. When a coach sees a mismatch on the floor is not working for the team he must change it.
I am not qualified to differentiate between development and deep in the playoff coaching. Nate did well with Seattle and is still learning as well. He has assets and is letting those assets determine their playing time. That is only fair on a deep and talented roster. Is not this team still developing? Sure looked that way last night.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 5:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dang, you killed it.
Great stuff Ben.
by prezofdeath on Nov 4, 2009 2:06 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Want people to go strong at the basket?
Want free throw numbers up?
Want greater effort on the floor?
Want someone who will defend whenever he is put in?
Try Bayless
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 4, 2009 2:21 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Want more TOs and less assists?
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Nov 4, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Less assists than Steve Blake
Would be difficult this year.
I would take a couple more turnover if it mean’t we got some damn attitude to our game.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
by MadBlaze on Nov 4, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Want impeccable style?
Want pouty fury?
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Want a frantic point not looking to distribute?
Life is hilarious.
by SolGoode on Nov 4, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy says his back is fine.
But he can’t seem to put the 3-pt shot (29%) in the ocean. Surprisingly, he has been making the tough midrange turnaround jump shots he missed last year. (Overall shooting 42%)
He posted this after the Atlanta game tonight.
Personally, I feel very good physically, and my back is not causing problems. Thanks to the Blazers staff work and the one of my trainer Paco Fernández, I have been able to be ready for the start of this exciting season.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 4, 2009 4:37 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fire Nate....
been sayin it since the andre signing, we’re thru with him, while we’re at it, we can trade our over rated shooting guard for one that know’s how to let his point guard be a point guard.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
"New Man Law: If you don't show up for the draft you don't get to come later if you're picked. If you believe in yourself, show up and sit there. If nobody else believes in you, take it and cry like a man...in front of the cameras."
-Dave
by faith on Nov 4, 2009 4:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fire him is extreme, but so is not questioning him
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 6:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't fire him
let him finish his contract and then shake hands and let him go. he did good things for the development of our players but if we want to take that next step we need someone who can put the finishing touches on our team to send them to the finals.
Trade players for picks and draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Nov 4, 2009 8:12 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that means he gets all this year and next year
that’s too long if we are going to move on. IF we are going to cut him loose, then you probably do it after this year and eat a year’s salary.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 9:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought his contract was up after this year?
"I think twittering and all that facebook crap just makes you a loser." ~ Charles Barkley
by postup on Nov 4, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he signed a 1 year extension
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, i thought i read that he turned down in favor...
…of getting a fresh contract this offseason. I really should go look things up more.
"I think twittering and all that facebook crap just makes you a loser." ~ Charles Barkley
by postup on Nov 4, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
faith? is that you faith? What have you done with faith? I am sad that an imposter is using your good name!
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one am sick and tired of what appears to be a sure dunk from Greg,
only to have the ball pop out and shoot 25 feet into the air and start a fastbreak going the other way. I thought he had hands that could squish rocks. I think I’m going to be sick!
I love my Comcast!
by Comcast Lover on Nov 4, 2009 5:38 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
Worst thing about Greg is he's slow as molasses
Also it doesn’t seem as if he’s really agressive in getting post position.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 6:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You happen to be dead wrong on both those assertions.
He is open for a lob moving to the basket many times each game, He also seals off his man under the basket a lot. No one seems to know how to get him the ball. He shows great quickness on his spin move. Not much coordination or timing yet, but there;s nothing wrong with his speed.
by raoulduke on Nov 4, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When he figures out how to just go up fluidly
after the spin, rather than spin- pause and gather – go up, that move is going to be deadly. Watching Greg so far has been a mix of exciting and frustrating. The physical tools are there, it’s just a matter of putting it together and avoiding the foul plague. He was on his way to a big night if he could have stayed on the floor
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't hear Brandon saying he was confused ...
Sounded more like he was saying he’s too busy playing to pay attention to the rotation. That’s a little different.
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
by bfan on Nov 4, 2009 6:02 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Brandon believes all the hype about HIS team and all that b.s.
Meanwhile he hasn’t learned the lesson Kobe had to learn about sacrificing for the team
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 6:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who's playing better than Roy on the Blazers?
And how is Roy stopping them from playing even better? Who’s the person that could handle all the D attention Roy gets? The teams is based around Roy because he’s by far our best player. Without him, this team’s not going to win nearly as many games.
He still gets 5 assists.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How I read it as well
Although in his Comcast post game interview I did hear him say they needed to start over in not assuming they could come in and be where they were last year. I did not read that body language as confused. Brandon had his head up and spoke with some conviction.
Also any post game interview is not getting the reflective thoughts of the player but more the reactionary thoughts of the player after a tough loss.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 6:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trust me, I HATE being a negative Nancy...
…but at what point should we press our little panic button? Yeah, the Hawks played great late in the game, and we played AWFUL, but they’re still the Hawks.
Save the “its still early” and “there’s a ton of ball to be played” arguments, reality is we’re sitting at 2-3. Not exactly the start we all envisioned this team to make.
If we decide we need to make a change, where does it happen? So far, I’ve heard at the coaching position. I’d like to know what the rest of my BE bretheren think. Please share.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 4, 2009 6:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, even if we go 2-80 it will never be time to hit the panic button
also if we go 2-80 you are not allowed to question Nate
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 6:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the team is 10 and 15 after 25 games, then yes, feel free to crawl up on the ledge.
by raoulduke on Nov 4, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's time to start picking our jumping clothes...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 4, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer a nice suit. If you’re gonna go, go in style
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 4, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could join your local Optimist club - they are all working to support the community with positive acts
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think having a pg that plays solid D
knocks down 3 point shots and can get to the hoop and draw fouls when needed is what this team is missing. If we could combine Blake and Miller into one pg, sprinkle in better defense, we would be set. I still think Hinrich is the missing piece, and at this point, you go out and get him before the season goes down the toilet. Miller and Blake is a nice pg combo, but neither one is the answer, each player’s weakness’s get exposed far too often…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the same things we all talked about last year...
Combining our 3 PGs into 1…
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 2:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy's 4th quarter shots limited
because he kept dribbling the ball off his feet, throwing it to Hawks players, and making other butterfinger moves. He looked discombobulated out there, and he should realize that.
by 50backflips on Nov 4, 2009 6:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Also....
I nnever get tired of watching Roy run time off the shot clock when they are down by 6 with two minutes left in the game. Pure Gold!
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Nov 4, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That does drive me nuts. What is up with that?
by raoulduke on Nov 4, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I particularly enjoyed
the last play of the 3rd quarter. Roy gets the inbounds pass with 6.5 second on the clock. This is a situation where every team in the league gives it to some fast guard, who proceeds to dribble at breakneck speed at the opposing basket in an attempt to get up a decent look by the buzzer. But Roy? He dribbles up the court half-speed and takes a 30 footer with two guys in his face. Beautiful
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's why he makes the big bucks.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 4, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With three seconds left...
The ball hit the court before the buzzer sounded. It was comical.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Nov 4, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya
that definitely got a WTF? out of me…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time for BRoy to take some heat
I love Roy, but now that he’s a max player, he’s going to have to learn to take some heat and criticism for the first time in Portland. And it’s justified. He’s a star, so it’s on him to make sure he does his part in working with Miller and the team. If his style limits us as a team, then he needs to fix it. He’s a great guy, but seems to be a little selfish so far this year. It might be his team, but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t have to sacrifice for the better of his team.
by Coastie07 on Nov 4, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No offensive
gameplan so no player is going to look good.
by 7677maniac on Nov 4, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned some of this yesterday in a post...
I hate to think that Roy has reached his ceiling. Certainly he has said he can get better and that he needs to get better. But want I really want is for him to actually get better.
That means playing w/o the ball as much, playing better D (think Joe Johnson backbreaker last night), and creating for someone not named Steve Blake…
He had no handles last night. There seemed to be many plays where he lost the handle. I think he got it back most of the time but that still throws timing off on a play and sometimes gets people scrambling.
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Blazers are supposed to be a team a depth
yet the 4th quarter offensive set seems to be Brandon dribbling at the top of the key wasting time and then driving into 3 guys and throwing his hands up and yelling. Pass it to your deep team. Set up a play with people on the wings and some cutters who can actually expect a pass.
by pedalhome on Nov 4, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think worse than the losing games we shouldn't be losing and the overall cluelessness by every member of the team
is the fact that it’s ugly basketball. I can’t watch this garbage. I want to watch Brandon Roy mid-range jumpers and Steve Blake timidly dribbling around the perimeter all night? I already feel about this Blazers team the way I feel about the Ducks most seasons. Except this year the Blazers could take some cues from the Ducks. This team isn’t good enough to just show up and win games.
I really don’t understand why we got Andre Miller. Why don’t we go sign some other stars and totally neuter them? It’s a fun game!
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 6:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
If we rebound better we win, period
Rebounding and getting to the foul line. Because if we are not so much of a jump shot team, we’d get more fouls called on the other team. If we got a few more offensive rebounds, the chances of getting foul calls in our favor go up. But again, if the Blazers are going to lose the free throw attempt battle the whole season, they are not going to be above .500. In fact I am predicting right now, this season is going to be a long one. No 50 wins this season. It might be early to predict that, but there it is . I am predicting it.
42 wins tops.
Nate apparently has no idea who to play and when, and the team looks lost on offense. When they run the offense right, its boring and highly predictable. I’d take forcing an opposing team into jump shots all night a successful defensive night. The Blazer offense just gifts that to their opponents every game. Sad.
by zersrule on Nov 4, 2009 7:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
hard to rebound in the 4th
when our rebounders are sitting on the bench so we can go small
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
KP is a genius
He’s executing your “Draft John Wall” Campaign at a feverish pace
by broyposse on Nov 4, 2009 7:15 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
When are Bedgers going to start realizing that they overvalued Miller.
There was a reason that he bounced around from team to team.
Now we’re stuck with trying to fit him into the rotation. He’s looked pretty dreadful to this point. “Dre”: short for dreadful. Maybe it would have helped if he had entered the season in shape?
Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave
Also: COMCAST SUCKS!
by TwoDeep on Nov 4, 2009 7:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Denver wasn't a fan of him
based on people from the message boards. Phili seemed to love the guy.
Miller forgets Roy is on the floor. He doesn’t look for the pass as he drives.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 4, 2009 8:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In shape? How about a half decent outside shot.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 4, 2009 10:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We all know that wouldn't happen for Dre when the blazers signed him...
Which was a HUGE reason I didn’t want him. Once KP pulled the trigger, I trusted they knew better than I. But his lack of a jumper is really becoming exposed in this offense, especially when playing with Roy…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They couldn't get inside in the 4th.
They were trying to attack the basket, but Josh Smith in particular wasn’t having it. That guy is a bad man. Outlaw passed up an open 3 at the shot clock buzzer because he was trying to get a high percentage shot, but the personnel are simply not good at getting to the basket and taking contact. Miller allows the defense to collapse because of his poor shooting. For all the complaining about Oden not getting the ball, guess what? He got the ball plenty of times when he could actually stay on the floor, and for the most part his touches resulted in turnovers. Atlanta’s bigs were almost always in position to challenge shots, which they did, and they out-rebounded the Blazers, especially when it counted.
Rotation-wise, the decision to go small as long as they did was mind-boggling. They had no inside game and were settling for bad jump shots. I don’t understand why they didn’t leave a good defensive big in from the 6 minute mark until both of them fouled out. There wasn’t much to lose at that point. Martell coming out didn’t help the cause either.
As it stands, this is not an elite team or even a good team for that matter. They’ll have to scratch and claw their way up to mediocre. I really, really hate to see Bill Simmons being right so far. That guy is an arrogant, overbearing putz.
by Benjamanic on Nov 4, 2009 7:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
"Outlaw passed up an open 3 at the shot clock buzzer because he was trying to get a high percentage shot,"
I disagree with this ……this was a typical TO play….dribble out a wide open 3 to take a super contested 2 …the only new wrinkle is that it came with little time left on the shot clock
"And in the end
The love you take
Is equal to the love you make." -The Beatles
by 92wastheyear on Nov 4, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There were three seconds on the shot clock, so Travis pretty much HAD to take the open look 3 in that situation.
Not like he’s afraid of shooting…
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 4, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he's not afraid to shoot.
But the team was trying to take it inside and were denied several times. That shot looked like one Outlaw would have taken to me. They didn’t have a chance at contesting it, which is a little different from the looks I’ve seen him pass up (usually the 3s he doesn’t take look a little more iffy than that one). Guess we’ll never know, but it seemed to me like TO was juggling two directives, one from Nate and the other from necessity: shoot with 3 on the clock and take it inside. He obviously didn’t have his priorities straight.
by Benjamanic on Nov 4, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It appeared to me that he was not aware of the shot clock
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree
with the conclusion that the defense lost the game. It was poor offensive execution which led to exploitation of the Blazer defense often putting Oden at risk (Pryz too).
Look. Put Outlaw, or Rudy, or Blake in the corner for a three and then take a poor shot is like a pitcher in baseball throwing the pitch on the inner half of the plate when you are trying to get the right hander to fly out to right field—your crossing up your outfield. In the same way when you install a three point shooter in the corner and you have to loft an off balance mid-range shot that misses you’ve just crossed up your offensive scheme and that leaves you vulnerable on defense.
Hence the offense lost last night game.
by 7677maniac on Nov 4, 2009 7:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I saw move after move
go unchallenged and Atlanta scoring at will.
On the other hand the blazers seemed unable to score points as well. I say the team just looks like crud. there are glimpses of great play and the rest… yuck.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 4, 2009 8:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
WAIT A MINUTE!?!?
You are telling me the Blazers lost because a small quick guard had a great game? THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THIS HAS HAPPENED!!!
by pdxlifer on Nov 4, 2009 7:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not a surprise
the blazers guards aren’t directing the opponents further towards the baseline before allowing them to turn toward the basket. Allowing the opponent to beat you at foul line lets the driving guard get into Oden’s and Pryz’s chest (hence foul trouble)
by 7677maniac on Nov 4, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
yup
way too many people fail to recognize that the Oden/Prz fouls are systemic errors – rather than player deficiencies….
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 3:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that's what I'm starting to realizse, too
For all the talk about how Oden needs to improve his foul rate, it’s stunning how EVERY single guy who’s played center for us this year is fouling at a rate way above their career norms. It’s not like Oden is fouling a ton and then comes off while Przy stays clean. Przy this year is almost as bad as Oden last year. LaMarcus is almost 25% higher than last year despite playing limited minutes at center.
It seems as if we’re playing that the only help defender on the team is the center. There’s been no effort to ever help a guy, no matter how tough his matchup is, until that guy gets all the way to the rack, which is a situation that often leads to fouls. I blame a lot on LaMarcus as well, who looks to be barely even trying on the defensive end when he’s at the PF spot and providing almost no help to our centers in terms of protecting the basket.
Still, for all the issues on defense, the offense is what’s costing us games.
by Royster on Nov 4, 2009 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just that the center is expected to cleanup perimeter breakdowns
its that the angles the bigs have to cover. The oldest rule in basketball is that smaller guys can go directly at bigger guys to mitigate the size advantage.
For Oden and Prz to be consistent help defenders – they cannot be the guy that is simply a road block. They have to be the guy that is timing the shot. You can’t do that if the offensive player is coming straight at you.
Way too many opponents are going straight down the lane right into our bigs – minimizing shot blocking ability. The only thing our bigs can do is get to a spot in front and either foul or watch the ball go right around.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point but the oldest rule in basketball is you have to get the ball to go in the basket
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 6:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you wanna go down that rabbit trail
make the oldest rule in basketball “you have to outscore your opponent to win”
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 8:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are both wrong.
The oldest rule is to identify the best player on the other team and kick him in the nuts before the game starts.
Several times. (You don’t want him recovering in time to make it into the game.)
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 5, 2009 7:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, the issue in my eyes
is that we’re not playing perimeter guys into areas where our bigs can effectively defend. Rather than shuttling guys toward the baseline or to the right/left, our guys seem intent on just trying to play everyone straight up. So rather than our bigs knowing where penetration is likely to come to and being to set up in a position to challenge that spot, they have to play for all possibilities and have to react in a short time to get to a position to challenge the shot.
by Royster on Nov 4, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bayless
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 4, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Who is the coach
for our Bigs (Greg)? Is there one? Can somebody please send the Blazers’ coaching staff some tapes of Andrew Bynum’s first few games. The difference between how these two play makes me want to vomit all over whoever is “teaching” Greg how to play basketball at the professional level.
by pdxlifer on Nov 4, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Part of the
difference between Bynum and Oden is the commitment that the Lakers have made to Bynum in the offense. They trust him.
Part of Oden’s troubles this season are from the mental end. He’s rushing his move, I think, because he keeps getting swatted all the time and losing the ball. He needs reassuarance that he can take his time and let things happen. When he feels a level of comfort from the coaching staff and team then I think he’ll make strides toward improvement. To improve means to risk failure and right now Oden plays as if he doesn’t have the luxury of failing.
by 7677maniac on Nov 4, 2009 8:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In fact
the whole team is playing like that.
by 7677maniac on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he needs some proper motivation
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 4, 2009 8:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Greg would be better than Bynum this season
lolol I’m not very smart
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I never thought I would say this
But I really wish we would have made a stronger push for Hinrich, since roy cant play with Miller a better version of Blake would sure be nice.
Trade players for picks and draft Cole Aldrich 2010
by jlarose78 on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
nah
D ROSE D WADE DESTINY DYNASTY
by Juan dela Cruz on Nov 4, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
between Hinrich and Miller
Hinrich would have been my first choice.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 4, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he plays defense.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 4, 2009 8:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
4th quarter defense on Johnson was pathetic
Roy and Miller were seriously lacking in intensity. The Blazers have nobody in the backcourt even approaching average as a defender (unless you count Martell). Blake might be playing the best defense of all the guards this season. Roy and Rudy have been awful, and Miller hasn’t been much better.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Nov 4, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
although the league runs circles around Blake pretty much too
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ben
You were totally right to lead your review with a discussion of the lighting-quick rotations. Go here and compare the distribution of minutes to the top units for the Blazers and for other teams:
http://basketballvalue.com/teamunits.php?year=2009-2010&team=POR
(Note at the time I posted this, that site does not have last night’s game included, but they updated pretty quickly).
by PoliSam on Nov 4, 2009 8:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Both Teams Played Hard.
Only one had a game plan. The other was so predictable it was laughable. BTW, please quit switching on pick and rolls, forcing Oden/Prz to cover shooting guards.
by BlazerDavid on Nov 4, 2009 9:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I saw one team play a lot harder than the other
Also smarter
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
There was a discernable lack of effort by the Blazers
In that second half the Hawks got to rebounds that were coming right toward a Blazer who did not jump for it. The hustle/effort plays nearly all went to them at the end.
That renders all other observations as mute. Without the effort no lineup and no scheme will work.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we can agree to disagree
i didn’t see any lack of effort. Atlanta getting more rebounds had everything to do with defensive sets putting players out of position and allowing off-ball cuts to the rim before or after a shot.
“Hustle” is an overused scapegoat that too easily masks real issues.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the coaching right now is just terrible.....
I hate that 3 guard rotation of Miller, Blake, Roy—that needs to stop. And stop changing the 4th quarter rotation so much. Go with one rotation for a few games and if that doesn’t work, go with another. Really, the talents of all these players aren’t being utilized correctly. And stop switching on pick and rolls!!! So much for defense….
by jenstcy on Nov 4, 2009 9:10 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I notice that since on the Blazer's pick and rolls the big never gets the ball, ever, the other team switches early
and jumps out to cut off the ball handler. And the Blazers don’t seem to have an answer. Punishing them by feeding the big isn’t in the playbook. Why even bother with a pick and roll?
On the other hand, on defense, the Blazer who is defending the picker never ever cuts off the dribble. Why not?
by raoulduke on Nov 4, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
Roy goes about 9 feet out and around the pick, effectively making it a complete waste of time, as his man has more than enough time and space to recover.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy is horrible at using screens.
That being said, I’d like to see the pick and roll run with Aldridge and Roy. I’ve never been a fan of on-the-ball screens, but I’m even less so of using the center to set them. I’d prefer if Greg stayed within 8 feet of the rim as much as possible.
Sucking at darts is not a super power
by 1badbadger on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
very good point!
That sets up Aldridge for the pick and pop rather than Oden or (gasp) Przybilla while still leaving the center on the post. Golly Gee! You should coach the Blazers!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts on pick and rolls
What we should do:
-Roy/LMA pick and rolls (or pops). Actually look to the roller from time to time
-Miller/Oden pick and rolls.
-Rudy/LMA pick and rolls
We use the center for the high pick above the 3 point line with Roy far too often, and it is completely useless. It is much too far away from the basket for the person to even roll to the hoop – that pick would need to happen around the elbow for the roller to be a threat. Add in the fact that Roy often negates the usefullness of the pick completely by going 9 feet around it, and that even if the roller were open, he generally only uses the pick as a way to drive, and there is little to no dual threat.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Nate uses the centers on picks to try and pull out the opposing center and open up the lane....
Not saying it works, but I imagine that is the theory.
Another thing that bothers me is how often the center gets the ball at the top of the key, or even out past the 3 point line. What the hell is Joel going to do with the ball 18 feet away from the hoop? It just seems like a waste of time to give him that pass, all he is going to do is stand there until somebody comes and gets the ball from him….
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was hinting at this above..
in regards to the pick and pop. No way should GO or Przy get the ball out there!
So far, if that is accurate, pulling the opposing center out of the lane by using our center to set the screen is indeed a dumb move. Let’s see, we’ve seen Hayes, Nene, Hayes, Kristic, and Horford. I just don’t see any of those guys as being a big time shot blocker so I have a tough time thinking that is the strategy by Nate (but maybe!). Better to pull the PF guy out there (Scola, Martin, Scola, Green, Smith) and keep our center in the post. Our PF (Aldridge or Trout) can hit the shot on the pop if he’s open. This arrangement seems much more logical than basically taking our center out of the offense for the play!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy also goes 9 feet around the pick on D...
Didn’t he give lip service to improving his defense this year? It ain’t happening. He and Miller were competing to see who could give Johnson more space to get his shot off down the stretch.
Q: Is Greg favoring his knee?
Frye: He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors.
by KP Corleone on Nov 4, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was like he was playing
The energy conserving bad defense he usually does the first 3 quarters, late in the 4th… very frustrating.
M—
by Mortimer on Nov 4, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of the focus has been on the effect of rotations on offensive efficiency
it has a big impact on defensive efficiency as well. McMillan is playing rotations that never practice together and do not defend well.
You see it in the constant switches when it would make a lot more sense to simply stay with your man. I’ve never seen a (Blazer) team more unsure of how to team defend than this one.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
blazers
“this Miller signing is turning this team upside down”
I think there is some truth to that. The Blazers could have tried to just continue on from last year and they would probably be winning games right now.
However, status quo would lead to a similar season as last year. Good regular season and fizzle out in the first round of the playoffs.
Nothing ventured nothing gained. Unfortunately, what risk taking means is that there is a chance for gain and also a chance for loss.
Right now the changes the team has attempted to make have simply unraveled their previous success without getting them on a new path to success.
I would just say, give Nate & company some slack to get the team on track. If they are playing 20-30 games into the season like they are now, then I will agree with those who will be calling for heads to roll.
by lsjogren on Nov 4, 2009 9:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Reason and patience are not so popular tonight - but I agree
Thanks for standing against the lynch mob tide.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's funny how things have not changed
This was the same team last year and everyone kept saying; let them develop and things will be OK
1.It is sad that this team continues to use youth as an excuse and not an asset
A. Running , hustling,scrapping for loose balls, defending, etc.
2. Many said the offense was slow , methodical, and predictable
B. Oh yes it’s all of that and more (is why they sometimes get a fast start and teams just wait for the shots to quit falling or they vary their game to shut them off) all the while, Nate continues down the same path
Another thought; This team is just not as good as advertised……being good on paper is not the same as getting it done on the floor…The “good guys” just ain’t that good
The coaching staff has done a very poor job of getting this team ready at the start of the season…this is just plain shameful …….
Nate gives comments after the game on why they lost…this is an analysis that is just relaying the obvious…but it’s just like everyone in here does TALK……It’s Nate job to walk and get his players to walk……er run
This year is the year of reckoning ……this young team plays like old washed up veterans with no spark…..they have poor leadership on the floor and on the bench (very robotic)
The product they put on the floor is not that entertaining (unless you call 3 point shots and last minute dramatics, entertaining)…it does not offer (above the fan) much to cheer about…..people who have a knowledge of how the game should be played are just shaking their heads in disbelief….They can’t believe the lack of sound fundamentals that always get you through the rough spots….
You can name individuals, but it’s tough to pick this out when so much else is lacking………Lack of structure( or too much of the same ) , fundamentals, and teamwork have put a burden on this team….sadly, a coaching change is the only feasible solution at this point…. (Everyone says he has the talent in players, but he has not succeeded in getting the most out of this, supposed talent…maybe the talent is not there, but we have to find out soon)……………….Roy and Nate may be on the same page but if the rest of the team isn’t, then you don’t have much of a “team”…..
Building a team around jump shots, Roy and LMA one on ones, no inside game and no easy shots (due mostly to defensive liabilities)…… lack of hustle,imagination,etc…..add this to the mix and then taste the soup…How long do you continue eating something that doesn’t taste that good?
by WyEast on Nov 4, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate quoted above:
We’ve been a team that attacks the basket.
Really?!??!?! I’ve watched all 5 games, and I’m not seeing it. I see every team we play against attack the basket a LOT more than we do, with a LOT more success
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
by douglast on Nov 4, 2009 9:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
yeah
That line made me curious as well. I wonder what games he’s watching?
Sucking at darts is not a super power
by 1badbadger on Nov 4, 2009 9:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
he’s not watching the games I am. I saw a hockey style rotation in the 4th quarter, as Ben kindly pointed out, that had me screaming at my TV. I haven’t screamed at my TV during a Blazer game for over 3 years.
Looks like we took one giant leap backwards, I hate to even mention it, but what’s the deal with BIG signings in the off season (Roy/LMA)? I remember (Z-BO/Miles) and this is starting to look a little too similar to that, thankfully, minus the big attitude issues. How long can this last?
Boo, Nate, Boo on you for your terrible coaching job. As someone previously mentioned, there is no 5th quarter, why save fouls on your bigs when they are putting in work? Why turn a basketball game into a short ride on the carousel at the carnival?
BTW, Martell starts heating up and we go away from him so Blake can take contested jumpshots at the free throw line, which he misses, leaving Martell visibly confused?
I really don’t understand how I can see this from my couch in my house, yet Nate doesn’t see it on the court in a game? If he does, he’s just ignoring it? Not sure why….
To say the least, very confusing play and coaching is what I can see that is leading to the issue. I hope that they can figure it out and make a seriously needed adjustment before the end of the month. It seems as if we aren’t making any adjustments besides shuttling players in and out of the game like its a runway model show.
Gotta keep my fingers crossed that we snap out of the funk we are in as a team. It’s killing me.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
by pdxborn on Nov 4, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
every line was curious to me
and also repeated many times over before….it’s talk and no walk….or is it the simple fact that we are just not that good? (both players and coaching)
by WyEast on Nov 4, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nate saying this is confusing
one only needs to look at the points in the paint so far this season to see that attacking the basket is about the last thing we do
"I think twittering and all that facebook crap just makes you a loser." ~ Charles Barkley
by postup on Nov 4, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate
may have said this for the players to hear.
by 7677maniac on Nov 4, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so nate wants the players even more confused?
:P
"I think twittering and all that facebook crap just makes you a loser." ~ Charles Barkley
by postup on Nov 4, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate's the one who's confused...
just look at his quotes.
I think the was watching the miami/phoenix game.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
by pdxborn on Nov 4, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well here's our points in the paint over the first 5
Nate is definitely confused if he thinks we are the ones attacking the basket.

"I think twittering and all that facebook crap just makes you a loser." ~ Charles Barkley
by postup on Nov 4, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And just for fun, here's our fastbreak points

"I think twittering and all that facebook crap just makes you a loser." ~ Charles Barkley
by postup on Nov 4, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Cool Graphs!
Except that I don’t see a correlation between wins and losses. We just suck at both!
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, that is truly pathetic...
For a team with guys that can get out and run, wow. I don’t see how you can’t point to coaching on this one…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 2:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One thing that annoys me about Nate's post game comments.
Is he tends to just blame a “lack of hard work”, or a “lack of defense” for reasons they lost. Just seems like he is passing the buck to me. Could the lack of defense come from playing a front court of LMA and Trav for extended minutes? I guess the players needed to work harder to get rotations in that actually make sense…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 2:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Observations from last night's game..
Just some quick hits..
- Webster looked really good last night. But we’re not used to getting scoring from the 3 spot. Think the team is still adjusting (Roy and LA especially) to getting him the ball. But I was impressed by Martell’s effort last night.
- Oden still struggles to:
(By the way, he looked great until he picked up foul #2)
A. Not foul
B. Get many benefit of the doubt non-calls
C. Get the ball from his mid-section to the rim without getting stripped.
- The whole Blake / Miller / Roy thing on the floor together doesn’t work. Please stop trying it. I know Nate is trying to get Miller more minutes but it’s embaressing to watch. But it goes to show you how little faith Nate has in Miller running this offense at PG with Brandon on the floor at SG. Blake looked a whole lot better last night.
- Miller isn’t comfortable. We all know this. But in addition to feeling displaced he’s looking for his own shot too much. He had a couple of cringe worthy misses or blocked shots last night. Looks like he’s trying too hard to force things.
- We aren’t really letting the game come to us. As soon as Atlanta figured out our zone defense we turned into swiss cheese. Good defense leads to good offensive posessions. Team still looks very, very young playing “team defense”.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
by halo_on on Nov 4, 2009 10:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree Miller has some awful shots last night
That said I feel the guy’s frustration. He’s never been given a chance.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said - I think it parallels my observations
With Miller with the ball he rotated most of the time to the right leaving Brandon and LaMarcus on the left and out of the play by driving the other side then throwing up a bad shot. It did seem like we had two different plays running at the same time or that Miller was determined to get his shots and assists without using Brandon and without regard to the play called. I have no idea of what the play required but at least 3 of the 5 seemed not to get it right if Miller was doing it right.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 7:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A cookie for the first journalist to ask Nate a hardball question in the press conference...
Such as: DO YOU REALLY THINK YOU CAN WIN A GAME IN THE NBA PLAYING NO CENTER?
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 4, 2009 10:15 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
he must.
He’ll probably say, “Yeah, we talked about that…”. ????? whatever his qoutes mean, they are vague and unassuming in there nature, he’d make a great politician. I’m waiting for him to call someone out. ANYONE. I doubt he will.
Get busy livin', or get busy dyin'. -the shawshank redemption.
by pdxborn on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But Nate coached the Olympic Team! He's Teflon Don!
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That team played Bosh at center a lot :)
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With LeBron or Melo as power forwards
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 4, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you would stop shouting he might answer you as follows
We won 54 games last year averaging 5.46 minutes a game with both centers available and neither in the game, mostly at crunch time. so the answer is yes I do. If you would study the issue you would find that LaMarcus and Travis are our typical closing bigs.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sort of losing interest in the games, and this site because
a) we’ve been losing
b) aside from last night, officiating’s been disgusting (both ways)
c) most of the team plays without passion and poorly
d) it’s getting boring to watch 15 point quarters
That said, I’m not going anywhere, and I’ll watch every single game this year. It’s just not that fun right now.
It will be.
If the Blazers can figure out how to break through this funk, they’ll be stronger on the other side.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Nov 4, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Uh, this site only because the Blazers are boring right now
this site is still great.
I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich
by hobobob on Nov 4, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
Since we know we can do it, we’ll turn it around. We’re healthy, we’re good, we’re just off.
Not fun to watch… even though we could easily be 5 and 0 with some very minor changes right now and flying high off of our amazing Blazers. The problems would still be there though…
M—
by Mortimer on Nov 4, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone catch the face-off between Dre & Roy
I think Roy popped off to Miller judging by Miller’s reaction.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Nov 4, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Early 4th quarter....
Miller had the ball, Roy comes over to get it but the spacing appeared to be kinda jacked up and they almost turned it over. Foul on Atlanta, and Roy says something that made Miller turn right to Roy and give him a “what did you say?” look.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Nov 4, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw that on the jumbo tron
Did the TV/ radio broadcasts remark on it?
Miller kinda got bailed out with the call, since he wasn’t going anywhere on that drive.
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 12:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they did and positively so
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My first reaction was like "whoa, Miller got an earful"
After second thought, I sorta wrote it off as maybe Roy just being intense and giving him props for getting to the line.
Makes me reconsider again, though, since I wasn’t the only one that saw it that way.
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sure didn't look like a pep talk or congratulations to me...
Looked like they weren’t on the same page, and Roy was letting him hear about it…
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
After the win in Oklahoma
Greg came forward with this quote (found here.)
…I’m just trying to bring something else, something that doesn’t show up on the statistics…And that’s talking, bringing energy.
I support his position 100% and my personal challenge would be for him to focus this new mentality on the pick and roll defense. A good p ‘n r defense starts with a vocal big man. It’s his responsibility to warn the on-ball defender of the impending screen. In order to be more effective at this, he should also tell his teammate on what side the screen is coming. This can be accomplished as simply as yelling “Screen left.” I was always taught (and therefore prefer) to remind my teammate what to do. I would shout something like “Screen. Step up left.” This would remind the guard to get over the screen early and not fight through it. If the guard gets the proper position over the screen from the beginning then Greg would only have to briefly “show” to delay the dribbler and then roll with the screen-setter to the basket.
Defending the pick and roll is not incredibly difficult, but we seem to enjoy making it seem so. I think with a little leadership from Greg on defense we’ll work through it and as a bonus side-effect see some of Greg’s fouling decrease.
Sucking at darts is not a super power
by 1badbadger on Nov 4, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Maybe not so incredibly difficult or NBA teams would not run it
Utah has made a living off the PnR under Jerry Sloan – getting Stockton, Malone and Sloan into the HOF, Steve Nash has two MVP’s from running it successfully.
If the team had played together long enough they develop a synergy to executing it tha, with talent,t is nearly unstoppable.
You assume what Greg is calling out or can you hear over the crowd noise?
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Quick! Name one player that looks better than they did last season
Cat got your tongue?
I expected a group of guys that were improved over last season. Instead I see guys that stayed the same or even regressed. What’s up with that? These guys talk a lot about defense, in fact they’ve been babbling about it for two years or more. So where is it? Middle of the pack vs. a weak opening schedule isn’t good enough. Defense comes down to one thing: effort.
Really unimpressed so far. I hope it gets better soon. If not there’s a lot of other stuff to do than watch ugly basketball. I’ll give it about 15-20 more games.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 4, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oden definitely looks better
He has been consistently good when on the floor.
His foul rate is the same, sadly :-(
—M
by Mortimer on Nov 4, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its actually significantly worse, as is his TO rate (which has nearly doubled)
So, while he’s improved in every other area, those two are really really hurting.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Webster...
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Channing?
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Webster, LaMarcus, Greg, Steve, Travis
All show signs of improvement over last year. I especially like Martell’s improvement in looks from last year – that suit he wore last year was just not right for the court.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
CUT NATE SLACK!!! Didn't get MEMO....
The reason for all the lineups? Simple. Nate did not get the memo that preseason was over and that the season had started.
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn
by MojoMan on Nov 4, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok Ok Ok I finally get it.
I don’t know what took me so long but I just now realized that Nate hates the Blazers. He’s still a Sonic at heart and he’s doing is darndest (Word?) to destroy us. Please Paul Allen fire him. I can’t watch this all year.
by Flapbreaker on Nov 4, 2009 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
How about a simple graph of points in the paint of both teams?
"I won't back down." -- Tom Petty
"History is important. If you don't know history it is as if you were born yesterday. And, if you were born yesterday, anybody up there in a position of power can tell you anything, and you have no way of checking up on it." -- Howard Zinn
by MojoMan on Nov 4, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/11/4/1114102/media-row-report-blazers-91-hawks#23853923
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
by Norsktroll on Nov 4, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or just scroll up a few turns...
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 4, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont
get the Fire Nate camp. Its not like the Blazers are super talented. They have one all-star, a very soft pf who is inconsistent and a bunch of average players who would be role players on other teams. The fact that the team won 54 last year is a testament to Nates coaching.
by BBG on Nov 4, 2009 12:38 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fire Nate Camp
I’m not in it.
But Nate has made some HORRIBLE matchup/lineup moves this season. Moves that have helped cost us games, in my opinion.
This team has a ton of talent, and it’s up to Nate to get the most from them.
Nate lost his “FREE PASS” this year. We are rebuilt.
Enjoy the Ride
by DigitalDaggers on Nov 4, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree strongly - the Blazers DO have lots of talent
(though maybe I’m just a Portland homer who thinks all our players are better than they are)
I do agree that Nate is a decent coach. He has to take some responsibility, however, if the players up and down the line aren’t on the same page. Everybody knew their role last year, and now the exact opposite is true.
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think its both
I think our players are overrated AND Nate needs to do a better job.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is that Yosemite?
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that looked like Cloud's Rest
Did you hike it this summer? I heard they were going to revamp the cables at the top – could you tell?
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hiked it in mid-September and the cables were still there
They take them off after the summer season ends (I’m not sure exactly when that happens).
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it too simplistic to suggest
that we should play with the exact same rotation as last year, save Miller in for Sergio/ Bayless, and Webster in for Batum? I mean, I know every player brings different skill sets, but our players this year just aren’t all that different. I feel like we’re trying to find a magic formula that isn’t there with the rotation tinkering .
Two points scored by GO’ = "thunderdunk"
by T$ 225 on Nov 4, 2009 12:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Miller would pout
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Im pissed
at Nate for bringing in Miller thinking it would work and not giving Bayless a chance. What happend to units this year? Now Miller is on the floor with Roy and Blake LOL I dont like the presence of Miller on the floor with this team period. Trade him and make a decision on JB.
by BBG on Nov 4, 2009 1:07 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Let's see, it has taken all of 5 games ...
… before BE’ers are calling for McMillan’s head.
Congrat’s people. You’ve really outdone yourselves.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 4, 2009 1:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
have you been watching the games, Tim?
Too early to fire him, but he’s been really, really bad.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen the Denver and 2nd Houston games.
I can’t say it was clear to me that Portland lost due to Nate. But then I don’t consider myself an expert on what it takes to be a successful coach in the NBA.
Until someone can come up with a convincing argument to the contrary, I am going to stand by my belief that 95% or more of winning games is on the players, with the remaining 5% distributed between the coach, the refs and plain old luck.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 4, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5% on the coach?
Apparently I could go out there and win games coaching the blazers. So, you are basically saying that a brainless fool could coach the blazers, and still win 95% as many games as a good coach would win?
by Rudiculous on Nov 4, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think tim is probably saying the difference between the best coach in the NBA and an average coach...
… or between the worst coach in the NBA and an average coach, is only about 5%. I actually don’t think he’s too far off there.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his coaching in the Atlanta game was unbelievably bad, just awful
I agree that people overrate the value of coaching in the NBA in general though.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So, the Houston Rockets are that good?
I think the Houston Rockets and Rick Adelman are a good example of how intelligent coaching makes a HUGE difference in the outcome of games.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 4, 2009 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Rockets really ARE that good defensively, yes
Adelman is doing an excellent job, but that team is filled with players who are amazingly gifted and crafty at the defensive end.
by jksnake99 on Nov 4, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus the Rockets players do exactly what Nate is calling for ...
… from his players. They work hard. All the time. Hard work and effort, combined with intelligence and experience, will out perform talent a surprising amount of the time.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 5, 2009 7:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't argue since I didn't see the game.
And I’m serious when I say I’m not sure if I could tell what a poor coaching effort looked like.
I will say that everyone has bad days (or nights in this case). I’ve even been known to make a mistake now and then. Rarely, but it has happened.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 5, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5 games is a small sample
Consider that if we average just 6-4 in each 10 game span, we’ll have 48 wins with 2 games remaining at the end of the season. We want more of course. But the Blazers will not have a problem reaching at least 12-8 for their first 20 games and should move up nicely from there. Give them those first 20 to work out the kinks. Translation: Way too soon to panic, especially with my man Oden showing flashes of greatness. It’s going to come together and Greg’s going to be the key — mark my words.
by Odenforce on Nov 4, 2009 1:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another voice of reason
Swimming against the tide, Nice.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it's a small sample...
but here is what I saw last night. I sat in the 300s for first half and then was fortunate enough sit in 5th row behind the goal in second half (thanks Patrick) and was enlightened down there. Bottom line: Blazers are soft and tentative. They have as much if not more talent that ATL, but lack the physical presence. Oden, Roy, et al seemed to get scared going strong to the basket and were often looking for ‘the other guy’ to make a play. ATL sensed that and just overpowered the Blazers. This along with ATL being a very quick team in transition made them the better team. Blazers need to continue to gel, need to play much more physical, and need to learn to play full court ball. This half court mindset is killing them offensively and defensively.
Maddie in Portland, Oregon
by kentuckybred on Nov 4, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
The tentative play...
is a byproduct of not knowing their roles and when they will/will not play. That is 100% on the coaching staff.
by OmoriumVerum on Nov 4, 2009 3:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good coaches design systems to maximize player strengths and minimize weaknesses
Good coaches also recognize matchups and prepare their players to adapt to them.
Frankly, I don’t see this from McMillan and his staff.
A bad coach wants to run, but can’t get runners to run. A bad coach wants his team to pass the ball and run the pick and roll, but can’t get his guys to run the pick and roll. A bad coach hedges fouls but designs a defense that maximizes fouls on the guys he hedges fouls for. A bad coach hedges fouls and doesn’t use them.
A bad coach plays rotations that he doesn’t practice together. A bad coach thinks that playing harder is the solution to every problem – and takes no responsibility for a bad game plan.
McMillan is not a good coach.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 4, 2009 5:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Theorey on Rudy
I wondered before the season why Nate made the point that Rudy should control the ball and create for his team mates more. Roy average’s five assists a game, Blake and Miller are both distributors and every touch Rudy gets to run a play take away from one of those three. Why not lith with what Rudy gives you in assists rather then trying to force more out of it? His biggest asset is coming around the screens for catch and shoots. He’s deadly at it. No one on the team does it like he can. His passing success has come off freelances when he has to go second option. Roy has not shown he can play off the ball and be confortable, Miller should shoot from the outside rarely. Nate has asked Rudy to change his game a bit, become more of a point guard, and I don’t get it. We just signed a free agent point guard and Rudy at any given time is our biggest outside threat on the team…..
by zersrule on Nov 4, 2009 8:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
After reading all the way through every comment there are a couple of big missing elements
First to Ben – your point might be valid but I suspect your illustration of lineup changes includes substituting offense for defense, and losing Greg to his 5th foul. If so, that seems to overstate the issue. That he stemmed the tide to equal is actually a plus compared to the previous 31 minutes.
As to those shouting for a center in the game at the end:
Last year we routinely played with LMA and Travis and no center in crunch time. It is an established routine that Nate is continuing depending on the matchups. Overall our centers played 42.5 minutes per game (adjusting for the games with only one center available). This year our centers are playing an average 40.1 minutes per game and, with only 5 games, that 2.4 minutes are not likely significant, Our centers last night committed 4 of our 8 turnovers making them a potential liability. Does anyone doubt that with Oden back in the game the plan would be to dunk on him, likely getting both basket and foul and creating yet another change in lineup?
As for firing Nate or blaming anyone this early in the season:
Last year we had 12 players suited up who understood and bought into the system. This year Andre has been added and has not yet been assimilated. Last year we were 6-5 after 11 games and with 2 losses in a row I suspect there were similar calls to fire Nate. It turned out better than nearly any optimist had predicted. Nate does not coach like some other coaches. So? differentiating between being a development coach and a playoff coach has no historical basis as far as I know. He is a coach. He was a better coach than every other coach last year in terms of his production against expected development time lines. There is certainly not one single coach not coaching now who is available to replace Nate at this time. The reason a coach is fired is because he loses his team. It happens to most coaches eventually when the players tune him out and a change is needed. There is no evidence that this has occurred here. The one person best able to discern that moment is Kevin Pritchard., He attends practices. He talks with players. He talks with coaches. He will know when a change is needed. Is Nate ready for induction into the HOF? (Actually he would be compared to some coaches who are in there) but the answer is no. But his trajectory is indicating that he will be if continued. He has lost to three teams who are combined 12-3 with the losses coming from LAL, LAL and Portland. This is a game more art than science. Armchair analysis is fun but worth what is paid for it. That is my take.
Finally a word to the newer members who are taking about quitting the site and the team:
I see being a fan of a team as a lifelong commitment. It is learning the nuances of the game and the team and its philosophy in order to better appreciate and enjoy it. There are always ups and downs and every year every team but one is disappointed its last game. That is part of the commitment. We hope for the best but realistically know that the odds of even the best team are less than 50% to win it all.
Did we waste our time and emotions all those years with Clyde and Terry and Jerome not winning the championship even once? If you say yes, perhaps you are here for the wrong reason. We soar with the wins and we are crushed by the losses but, just like the athletes themselves, we get up the next morning and start again because there is another game, another year. This is what being a fan is for me. I suggest you not take to heart the many negative things said here in the heat if emotions. Many of the wiser and more knowledgabe posters have been mostly missing from these posts for a reason. This is not all of what Blazersedge.com is to me. There are many thoughtful, reasoned, supported by data contributions throughout the site. This one (comments) is not one of our finer moments.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
by lee3022 on Nov 4, 2009 11:52 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Two comments
1) You are pouring cold water on all the people who think bitching and moaning is the primary responsibility of being a fan.
2) This may have come too late in the thread to get the number of rec’s it deserves, but here’s hoping it goes green with a record number.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 5, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This one (comments) is not one of our finer moments.
Unfortunately, more than a few posters share this sentiment. Minimizing legitimate critiques is burying your head in the sand. Disagree all you want – leave your questions about our motives out of it.
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 5, 2009 8:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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