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Brian T. Smith of The Columbian has a Q and A with Andre Miller, during which he asks Miller what it was like getting benched for the second half in Utah on Saturday night...
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You can't control what the coach does. Like I said, I tell my son, you can say, 'I want to play; I want to do this and that,' — the coach is; there's no point in getting into a fuss or getting worked up because the coach is always right. I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to fight the system; fight the coach. He made a decision. I dealt with it. I ain't going to be, 'Put me back in the game.' If anything, I try to take a positive out of it and observe the game from the sideline. Only thing, it was the first time in my career I only played six minutes in a game. But things happen. I understand the politics and the business atmosphere. I deal with it. Eighty-two games. So, that game was in the past — we were blown out since the first quarter anywhere. I can't do nothing about it.
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Also be sure to check out The Oregonian's Joe Freeman's chat with Nate McMillan as pointed out by hobobob in the fanshots. McMillan says...
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"Well, a lot of the trouble, what we’ve dealt with, is just execution both ways; defense and offense. And I don’t think that’s trouble, it’s three guys and it just doesn’t happen all of a sudden. Guys who are used to going, going, going, doesn’t all of a sudden happen, where now not touching it or playing without it and I’m comfortable with that."
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I think it is the far more telling statement from Andre
Like I said, it’s an adjustment that I’m dealing with. And I haven’t made a big fuss about it. I’m not going to say, just because things aren’t going well I don’t want to be here. I’ve been able to adjust to a lot of things besides basketball in life. So, I’m not worried about that. Things will turn out for the best.

The Blazers are having problems but it’s nothing that this team can’t handle. Things will turn out for the best. Have some faith people, they’ll figure it out.

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning." - E. E. Cummings

by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 30, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

I detect a tone
there’s no point in getting into a fuss or getting worked up because the coach is always right.

especially in the “because the coach is always right” part. It seemed odd Miller getting benched after such a brief run in Utah. I seriously doubt Miller has put this behind him. He feels he should start and he may be right. Portland has got to work this out, because bad chemistry seems to be arising and after the lackadaisical effort against Utah, if that keeps up things are going to get worse before they straighten course. I think the “coach is always right” comment was a jab at Nate’s inflexibility.

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Nov 30, 2009 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

I would say

It’s a very general statement— you do what the coach says, just like when you’re a kid with your parents.

I doubt Dre knows Nate enough to think of him as inflexible.

M—

by Mortimer on Nov 30, 2009 5:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I took his statement similar to you

Basketball players are trained to accept their coach as boss. Miller’s a pro, he knows it’s his job to do what the coach says.

Miller may have opinions of Nate, but he wasn’t making them public with that statement.

by Timmay! on Nov 30, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

nor did I say he called Nate out

I just think it has a tone. You ever got one of those emails from a co=worker that technically has no blatantly offensive wording but the “tone” of it is still quite cogent? My spider-sense tingles when I read the “coach is always right” comment. Maybe the coach always isn’t right. Look what happened to Jarrett Jack when he told Nate he felt he was being played out of position. Save yourself Andre! Just come out and say it. You’re too good a person to suffer under such an obdurate regime. The truth shall set you free.

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Nov 30, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I sense some snark in this comment as well
I don’t have to yell and bring a lot of attention to myself and all that type of stuff. I can pull a guy to the side; pull Greg to the side; talk to Rudy (Fernandez); talk to Steve (Blake); talk to Brandon. You know what I’m saying? I mean, the coaches might not see it. But it’s really not their business. I’m trying to develop a relationship with the players. And that’s what matters.

But maybe I am reading too far into it…

RUDY > MJ

by Rudiculous on Nov 30, 2009 5:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah...

It does seem a bit passive-aggressive to me as well, in general. Of course, we really don’t know without actually being there.

by xedubx on Nov 30, 2009 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

The McMillan interview indicates that Miller was benched because Nate thought he was too hurt to move well.

Miller says he’s fine but I think he just wants to keep up his iron man image.

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by pualo on Nov 30, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

If I had to bet on this issue, I bet Nate really thinks he's hurt.

And, I’d also bet that he is slightly hurt, and then I’d also bet that Nate thought, “Hey, we’re like getting totally blown out anyway, and this Ben dude over at BE keeps saying to play Bayless, so like, why not just try him out.” If I had to bet, it’s on those.

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by hobobob on Nov 30, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Let the man have his image

It seems from here like Nate practices his Sarge mentality on Nate. Seems like that Sarge mentality could benefit some other players (Roy, Webster) right about now.

by jiminut on Nov 30, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

and why did Nate think he was hurt?

Did he approach Miller and ask him? No. I don’t buy it. Miller didn’t look hurt to me. I think Nate yanked him for shooting those two 3 pointers. Miller’s got to learn do what Nate says or pay the price, in other words a front row seat to the game. There’s no room for ad-libbing or free-thinking in the McMillan system.

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Nov 30, 2009 4:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Both of those three's were Roy's fault if I remember correctly. Total flame bag passes...

Also, If Nate doesn’t want Miller sitting in the corner taking 3’s, he should develop some sort of an offense that doesnt stuff him over there every time Broy gets his touches…

RUDY > MJ

by Rudiculous on Nov 30, 2009 5:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't follow

how were those shots Roy’s fault?

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I would have to watch the replay to be 100% sure...

but I believe both times it was a Roy iso, which resulted in him pounding out the shot clock and kicking to Miller with 2 seconds left to shoot. That is more Nate’s system’s fault than anything. Miller isn’t Steve Blake, but the sets that iso Broy at the top of floor use him as if he is…

RUDY > MJ

by Rudiculous on Nov 30, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I should also point out

That it is hard to blame Roy for pounding out the shot clock when Nate wants to “play early, or play late”. Whatever happened to working an offense and taking the first good shot attempt? So what if it comes with 13 seconds left on the clock, a good shot is a good shot….

RUDY > MJ

by Rudiculous on Nov 30, 2009 5:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure about that

what I saw was the defense sagging on Miller DARING him to shoot and he obliged. I don’t recall either shot being forced due to the shot clock. When Miller is given the deep open look, other guys need to step out and set a pick for Andre to create off. His outside J is a serious liability

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Nov 30, 2009 5:40 PM PST up reply actions  

...

The ball was kicked out to him with limited time left in the shot clock. No big deal, that’s a set that they have run forever, granted, miller isn’t the highest percentage 3 point shooter, but it’s what happened. He didn’t get put back in cause mate thought he was hurt, that’s what the beat writters are saying anyways. Andre is hardly the cancer a lot of people seem to think he is, there are a lot more obvious reasons why this team isn’t running all that well.

by jordanneale on Nov 30, 2009 5:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

first you blame Roy,

then you blame coach,

Don’t you think you should be sure before you place blame on someone and realize your wrong?

And how is it Roys fault when Miller missed his shot? Are we now blaming Roy when teammates miss shots too?

by bustabucket on Nov 30, 2009 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think I blamed Roy at all, or at least I didn't mean to come across that way...

I tried to clarify with my 2nd comment that Roy is just executing Nate’s game plan. He milks the clock, tries to create a shot, is forced into a pass, and it goes to Miller who is forced to put it up or get a shot clock violation. Works decently with Steve Blake spotting up, not so much with Andre Miller. Anytime I watch Miller stand at the 3 point line while Roy iso’s up top, I want to smack myself in the face. I am so sick of watching point guards that can’t shoot being used as if they can. Jack, Sergio, Bayless, and now Miller, all of them spent a decent amount of time spotting up in the corner, which is not any of their games. That is Nate not being flexible and creative with his offensive sets in my opinion….

RUDY > MJ

by Rudiculous on Nov 30, 2009 6:40 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

i agree with you,

that’s a huge concern with Miller out there. When Roy drives gets doubled and has to kick out, Miller has to take that shot.
What’s the better option, Roy shoots over a double or pass to Miller? (if rudy/webster are out there I understand they would the better option. just depends which side their on)
We want Miller out there, unfortunately he’s not shooting well and it does cause this problem.

by bustabucket on Nov 30, 2009 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I think it's all just drama, and we the fans are only making it worse

Come April, none of us will worry bout any of this, looking back and laughing at the situation that we thought was a big deal.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Nov 30, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

We're definitely making it worse

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by hobobob on Nov 30, 2009 4:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Depends on how many wins they get.

If they do well, we’ll look back and laugh. If they do poorly, we’ll just keep making the drama bigger and bigger.

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by pualo on Nov 30, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I can speak farsi, french and fatty but I don't speak "nate" can someone translate this to English?

“Well, a lot of the trouble, what we’ve dealt with, is just execution both ways; defense and offense. And I don’t think that’s trouble, it’s three guys and it just doesn’t happen all of a sudden. Guys who are used to going, going, going, doesn’t all of a sudden happen, where now not touching it or playing without it and I’m comfortable with that.”

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 4:37 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

If that is what Nate really meant by that, and you successfully interpreted it, then I am really impressed with you.

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by LaMarvelous on Nov 30, 2009 6:01 PM PST up reply actions  

make this green-noone else can understand it.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I totally agree with you...

Nate doesn’t even seem capable of speaking in complete sentences or finishing a single thought. That quote was almost completely babble speak. It made me wonder what he had been smoking. Come on Nate skip the bong hits before an interview please.

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by LaMarvelous on Nov 30, 2009 5:57 PM PST up reply actions  

this isn't the first time-i don't even try reading his post game comments anymore. not only are they cliches and unrevealing but they are utterly nonsense and unreadable.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you

That was Palin-esque in its nothingness. That Quote is going to have an existential crisis.

by sagcat on Nov 30, 2009 6:17 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

I hope Nate was misquoted. He isn’t making any sense. “The problem is offense and defense. The game consists of offense and defense, but that’s not the problem. Our problem is three guys who are used to going, and they are used to that. Then they stop going, but that doesn’t just happen suddenly. Then there is touching and playing. I’m comfortable with that.”

Is this the sort of thing he says at half time?

by sfblazerfan on Dec 1, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

How can you not like Andre? This guy is what he says he is — a non-whiny, veteran leader, who will work to win anyway he can and with whatever role he’s given. I trust him completely.

by botanyjames on Nov 30, 2009 4:39 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I was about to say he was backhandedly whining, but that's hypercritical

Starting to love you Andre.

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by hobobob on Nov 30, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

just think of AI with andre's attitude

bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network

by thomasikehara on Nov 30, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

This is starting to sound like Kremlinology

Who said what about whom and what did he really mean and what did he not say and who did he sit next to and what face did he make and…

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

and who shot him in the head

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by hobobob on Nov 30, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

By Jove! I think you've got it!

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35:32 Mins, 10-16 FGs, 1-1 3s, 3-3 FTs, +16, 3 Off, 13 Rebs, 3 Ast, 1 Blks, 24 Points!!!! LMA vs Bulls 11-23-09
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THE TWIN TOWERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by LaMarvelous on Nov 30, 2009 6:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes!

(Why am I the first rec?)

by Corvid on Nov 30, 2009 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Dre should let McClueless know that

the team is allowing 106.1 pts per game when he doesnt start and 94.7 pts allowed when he does. The team is getting into big holes because Dre is starting and the offense works best with Dre and Oden and Rudy but everytime Dre goes in Oden goes out.

by TheOdenator52 on Nov 30, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

I think those are defense numbers

"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP

by tominhawaii on Nov 30, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

those numbers are similar to the ones from nba.com

they are in the full court press post below this one. in the games miller has not started the blazers have given up far more points.

“The Blazers’ defense got scorched over the weekend, allowing the Grizzlies and Jazz to shoot 57 percent from the field. In the 10 games Andre Miller has come off the bench, Portland’s defensive rating is 105.2, as opposed to 93.4 in the nine games he started. "

it’s too big to be a rounding error. not sure where odenator got the numbers.

by colinmarsh on Nov 30, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Here is, I think, Nate's problem.

It’s not as simple as starting Andre and bringing Blake off the bench.

If you start Andre, there is simply no role for Blake at all. So in order to start Andre, Nate has to decide if Bayless is good enough for backup minutes. When Nate thinks he is, then Andre will start.

by raoulduke on Nov 30, 2009 4:44 PM PST reply actions  

Or, he needs to put another scorer in the 2nd unit

Given what we’re seeing from Roy and LMA, I’m not sure they’d work there.

Too bad Trout’s out. If he were here, I think Miller starts now.

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by hobobob on Nov 30, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

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Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

its about practice! practice!

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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 30, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

put the 2nd unit talk to rest. noone cares about the 2nd unit except the Lakers and Celtics and then they're looking at acquisitions to bolster it

not looking at the starting line up. this is NOT hockey.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems to me that it's the 1st teams scoring

and defense that is getting us into big holes and Nate pulling Oden no matter how many fouls at the 6 minute mark. Roy Alridge and Oden at least one of the big three should be in the game at all times

by TheOdenator52 on Nov 30, 2009 5:02 PM PST up reply actions  

THIS

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions  

i don't think that's the problem at all.

the problem, as i see it, is (negative spin) that brandon and LMA are a little fed up with not getting the rock as much/not being the focal point and (positive spin) they’re just not used to playing off the ball like role players are. They haven’t been able to turn it on when Oden goes out of the game. In fact maybe thats why Oden goes out early to establish Roy and LMAs offensive games-who knows.

Regardless, my longwinded point is that Andre is another good player who (somewhat) needs the rock to be effective. Until Roy/LMA get used to sharing then him in place of Blake’s deference is a non-starter for Nate.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions  

There is no room for Blake

KG replaced Blake. Sorry, but that’s part of the business. Problem is, Nate’s still tripping over getting upstaged at the end of his career and he’s projecting that on Dre.

I’m sure Dre would make a fine backup for a young playmaker like Deron but Utah didn’t sign him.

by jiminut on Nov 30, 2009 5:12 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

i was gonna say, garnett?

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

For me, this is the money quote of the Andre interview
The coaching staff says, ‘Either play early or play late.’ So, my thing is, being a point guard and observing in this league, the teams that win are the teams that get paint points, teams that get to the free throw line, and teams that force turnovers and get fast-break points.

The teams that have won with the methodicalness are teams that have been together for maybe 5-6 years. The San Antonio, the Detroit — they played that half-court basketball and mixed it with paint points and forcing turnovers. Not that it wasn’t methodical, but they played well off that; they knew how to mix it together. I think for us, we’ve just got to mix it together a little bit, I think the team will be all right.

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by timbo on Nov 30, 2009 4:51 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

yup

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 7:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Dre just knows basketball.

His knowledge of the game is just so obvious on and off the court. Maybe Nate’s worried Andre knows how to help this team win more than he does.

by Coastie07 on Nov 30, 2009 7:45 PM PST up reply actions  

What the heck is Nate saying?

I read that quote like ten times…….
This is where we are at now? Our coach is incoherent?
I feel sorry for the journalists that have to punctuate that babble.

by zersrule on Nov 30, 2009 4:59 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

Yep! It is the fine art of doing a whole lot of talking and saying absolutely nothing that means anything.

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by LaMarvelous on Nov 30, 2009 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Well done! rec

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LMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I <3 LMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LMA - Putting the POWER in POWER FORWARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The concussion must have jarred him into "Destroy All Opposition Terminator Mode!" - BlazersOrBust
35:32 Mins, 10-16 FGs, 1-1 3s, 3-3 FTs, +16, 3 Off, 13 Rebs, 3 Ast, 1 Blks, 24 Points!!!! LMA vs Bulls 11-23-09
26:49 Mins, 7-8 FGs, 10-12 FTs, +7, 6 Off, 12 Rebs, 1 Ast, 2 Blks, 24 Points!!!! ODEN vs Bulls 11-23-09
THE TWIN TOWERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by LaMarvelous on Nov 30, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions  

that is true art

and even better than nate’s thanksgiving quote:

 “Oh, I carve the Turkey. I’ll cook the turkey tonight and I’ll carve it tomorrow. Sit down and enjoy a big turkey dinner. On gameday, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing that will make you fall asleep. That’s what I was told by the doctor.”

by itsnotcomcastic on Nov 30, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Unable to resist

So much for quitting while you’re ahead.

I Carve The Turkey!

(or: “Scrappy Thanksgiving”)

O!

I carve the Turkey!

I’ll cook the Turkey tonight
And I’ll carve it tomorrow.

Sit down
And enjoy a big
Turkey
Dinner.

On gameday,
I leave the Turkey

Alone.

Because it is some chemicals in that thing
That will make you fall

Asleep

That’s what I was told by the doctor.

[insert your own beatnik snaps]

by HowlinJoeWolf on Nov 30, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

And should add:

Really, this is all just in fun. And probably belongs somewhere deep in the Junk Drawer instead. I actually do think Nate has been a hardworking and likeable coach for this team during his time here. Leaving aside entirely the question of if he’s the right fit for the future And despite fun with the quotes, he’s pretty accommodating when it comes to media access and I look forward to reading his stuff.

Both of the articles linked above, and Quick’s article from today are decent reminders that we’ve got it pretty good, I think. A few concerns come up around the team, and we hear about it from Monday’s practice instantly with some pretty sincere comments from the coach and players. It certainly didn’t always work this way— as a fan, I’ll take that any time.

by HowlinJoeWolf on Nov 30, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

It's a classic politician trick

If people are spending time trying to figure out what you’re talking about, they can’t be talking about whether or not you’re doing a good job. It seems to be working for Nate.

Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.

by terryisntbald on Nov 30, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I <3 Andre

He is making a very strong point without calling anyone out. He does sound like the real deal, a vet who’s seen it all and doesn’t make waves.

I agree with everything he says: Let Miller start to get the entire offense in rhythm. Trust him to change the tempo until EVERYONE is comfortable. Put the win column above your touches and stat line, even if that means changing the pace a little.

Nate is the coach and Roy is the star, but they brought Andre in for a reason and it’s about time they let him do his job.

by JonathanPDX on Nov 30, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions  

Roy is averaging .4 steals a game in 36 minutes and Rudy 1.7 in 22 minutes

Seems like Rudy could teach Roy a thing or 2 about team defense and playing the passing lanes

by TheOdenator52 on Nov 30, 2009 5:07 PM PST reply actions  

true in this case but that can be misleading. certain defenders overpersue passing lanes and either steal or allow buckets-it would be more useful to see how many points they each allow

even then you don’t account for pass offs resulting in others scoring or drawing fouls on oden. still, i agree with the premise that rudy is playing better D with more heart than Roy. I think Roy is just throwing a fit because he doesn’t know how to play off the ball.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Did you ever watch him in college? He knows how to play off ball.

by SomeNerve on Dec 1, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

Nate's quote

Yeah, that’s the weirdest stream-of-consciousness I’ve ever read. Not very articulate, but maybe it’s because he’s not very sure himself?

by Stryder9 on Nov 30, 2009 5:18 PM PST reply actions  

read up at what i wrote someone translated it

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 30, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller

 I like Miller’s attitude so far. If he was AI he would have left this team behind him already.

If you start Andre, there is simply no role for Blake at all.by raoulduke
+1

 I will say that Miller should be starting. Blake has been a sore spot for me on this team as of late. The 3 point shots he had to take was because Roy passed him the ball with no time on the shot clock left. That is not his game. Roy then comes out and says he has no problem playing with Miller so who you gonna believe? I hope the meeting they have today will settle some things today, otherwise could be a long season.

by Baddog992 on Nov 30, 2009 5:29 PM PST reply actions  

Uh, Nate.....
“Well, a lot of the trouble, what we’ve dealt with, is just execution both ways; defense and offense.

… yea uh, Nate, there is a difference between execution and effort. I wonder if these guys believe in you anymore. Didn’t look like anybody was really trying out there against Utah. Unless of course the game plan was to rely on the law of averages and sooner or later the Jazz would miss some uncontested shots.

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Nov 30, 2009 5:31 PM PST reply actions  

MILLER HAS HAD AN AMAZING CAREER TO BEING TREATED LIKE THIS..

I feel bad for the guy.. he should be the starter and if not. At least more minutes than Blake. Blake is a role player not a starting PG for a good team. START MILLER! At least try it!

by Iwvelez on Nov 30, 2009 6:30 PM PST reply actions  

I agree. What's more

Nate saying “Blake is our starter” during the summer was ridiculous and disrespectful. Perhaps Nate feels Blake is at the same level as Andre but I have a hard time believing that.

Andre has been playing like crap of late though. It’s a difficult time for Andre to say anything other than he’ll do his job.

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 30, 2009 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

My overall feeling-

After reading the whole interview, I definitely got a sense that Miller is burnt about his role, thats kinda obvious. But he is also smart enough to know that he should bide his time, keep his mouth shut, dont make any waves and his card will get called. Give Miller credit where credit is due, he is a fairly slick talker, he says all the right things, but also throws in little pieces that allude to his inner feelings. I heard good things and bad. I feel like he thinks we have a good team, very capable of making a deep run in the playoffs. He also thinks that it takes time to gel, which is reasonable. I do get the feeling that he and coach arent lovey dovey, I feel like Nates decisions have put a little distance or a wedge between them. A small wedge, but still a wedge can become even more than that if people and egos and pride allow it to. Its Allen Iversons biggest problem! I think eventually Miller will get his chance to run this team and Blake will accept his a role with the 2nd unit. Eventually….

The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!

by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 30, 2009 7:41 PM PST reply actions  

I think Nate has been the right coach

to get the team to this point.

The current Blazers’ coaching job needs to include:

  • Superstar coaching. Getting Brandon to his next level of play that includes a more versatile game and some smothering defense.
  • Defining Roles for the role players. It currently looks like all the Blazers are auditioning for the top job of their strictly defined 1-2-3-4-5 positions. It’s the great slugfest at the 1 with Dre, Blake & JBay all pitted against each other! Great situation there. Only injuries have prevented the same situation at the 3. And Nate has no idea what to do with Rudy. At center, our once formidable Przybilla has been relegated to #2 Center (at least that’s clear) and his play has fallen off. So even when the staff has tried to define roles, they’ve failed to get production out of their role players.
  • Running an offense that can get some easy baskets mixed in with the grind and is somewhat less predictable. Everyone knows with the Blazers, you’re going to get iso’s on perceived mis-matches and high pick and rolls. That’s pretty much it. You can take Roy out of his flow by doubling him, which will force a pass to a far less dangerous player.
  • Transitioning a winning team into a championship contending level.

by sagcat on Nov 30, 2009 7:53 PM PST reply actions  

Obvious tweak keeping Nate's rotations

At the 6 min mark Nate brings in Rudy and Pryz,basically putting on the floor last yrs crunch time line-up(except for Outlaw for Aldridge at times.)
So start Miller and at 6min mark replace him w/Blake. Miller starts 2Q w/bench and when Roy returnes sub in Blake til last 3min and bring back Miller.
Repeat Second Half.
Allows the bigs to get going early and allows Roy to dominate late w/line-up he’s comfortable w/.

by Tisbee on Nov 30, 2009 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

How does Roy know what he's comfortable with?

He’s played on one NBA team for all of 3.2 seasons. He’s been to the playoffs once whereby his backcourt mate, Steve Blake, and “best friend”, Travis Outlaw, produced pretty much nothing as the team showed little to no ability to rotate on defense while scoring droughts put them behind the 8 ball in all four of their losses.

I bet Roy would be perfectly comfortable feeding a big man who opens the floor for him while allowing another player handle the ball, go to the hole, and take a turn varnishing the hardwood with has backside for a change (Miller and J-Bay).

Yes, Brandon will be A LOT more comfortable with that sooner or later. Hopefully sooner. And it starts with Nate telling him to shut it, play some gritty D, and pass the damn rock to Oden.

Also, Blake and Outlaw are not long term fits for this team. I think Brandon will even be comfortable with that. It’s business and Brandon is in the business of winning. That’s why I’m not worried about any of this. I just wish it would have come together for this group a little better this season but signs are pointing toward an up-and-down kind of year and 1 round of the playoffs.

But hey! Beats the jailblazer era hands down AND this team is going to enter it’s prime in a couple years. And won’t that be sweet?:D

I'm just not crazy about player nick names...

by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 30, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions  

One thing that can happen,

is KP can do his job and trade Blake and Outlaw, then Nate is forced to deal with who is left. Make things alot simpler. Granted Outlaw isn’t going anywhere until he heals up.

by lethaldose on Nov 30, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Until Oden gets his TOs down … we should not “shut it and pass” to Oden.

by SomeNerve on Dec 1, 2009 8:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Accountability

So who does that fall on? The three players? You?
bq. "It doesn’t fall on anybody. It’s just where we are and the development we’ve got to go through with the three of them playing on the floor at the same time."

REALLY? Many posts hae mentioned Nate’s lack of accountability when talking to the media. I had not payed much attention, and chose to focus on other areas of his coaching. But this quote has to be pretty illuminating for those in the “Nate doesn’t hold himself accountable” camp.

by momomoses7 on Dec 1, 2009 3:43 AM PST reply actions  

It's a team game, why are fans always looking for a scapegoat?

Everyone on the coaching staff and and the roster should share the responsibility for their pour play.

"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP

by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 4:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Responsibility

The persons who are responsible for the the poor play should be held responsible. It is unreasonable to hold persons with no control over situations responsible. For example if the coach plays a line up of all guards, it is unreasonable to hold anyone except the coach responsible. Another example is if we hold the whole team responsible for poor play you don’t think about making one trade or two trades to remove the problem pieces or improve weak areas, you would trade the whole team all at once including the coach.

by colganc on Dec 1, 2009 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

I said "pour play" not "poor play"

But seriously folks. Rudy sucked the first week and that wasn’t Nate’s fault. Miller’s on the wrong team, that’s not Nate’s fault. Oden’s foul trouble isn’t Nate’s fault. Same with Batum and Outlaw going down.

If the roster was just Oden improving, the addition of Miller, and a healthy Webster, then I’d be all for blaming Nate.

"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP

by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions  

It's not like I'm INTO blaming

in fact it’s what I’d rather avoid. My problem has been staring at the TV screen in aghast wondering what has happened to the team’s competitiveness. My brain just sorta leans in the direction of assessing some form of blame to explain what doesn’t make much sense.
The injuries are significant monkey-wrenches. Miller does not seem like a good fit for this team. Are there too many overlapping roles on this team that is interfering with chemistry?
I’ve said Nate gets one more month before I get hyper-critical, mostly because I think motivating the players is the main responsibility of the coach. If he can’t get his guys to buy into his system, maybe it will be time to really re-evaluate what’s going on. I may be extending the plank but I ain’t poking nobody off it yet.

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Responsibility Continued

Further if you try to hold the whole team responsible for poor play the burden gets shared by everyone. Players who have no control over the poor play or are not causing the poor play are demotivated and the players or coaches who are responsible feel less accountable for their actions and are more likely to continue the behavior that is causing the poor play.

You can tell who is responsible by who is held accountable for what in their job description and the pieces of the team that are rotated. Nate needs to be held accountable and is responsible for what is happening. When we have players traded in and out of the roster to evaluate their performances before and after the trades it is not difficult to determine the causes of the problems.

by colganc on Dec 1, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions  

I think most folks here would agree that only Dante and Oden have been OK

Everyone else has played poorly and they need to fix it. Nate has to improve his rotations too. If a Blazer gets caught smoking pot, are we going to blame Nate for that too?

"This isn’t making staples, where you’re just making staples." - KP

by tominhawaii on Dec 1, 2009 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

well c'mon

 Players are entirely responsible for their off court shenanigans. Who’s going to argue that? But doesn’t the coach bear some of the brunt for his team not playing at the level they are capable of. I’m not going to be convinced that the PTB have played to the best of their abilities lately and the enthusiasm they had last year is flat gone. What’s the reason for that?

Dogs have Owners, Cats have Staff.

by bow4meow on Dec 1, 2009 9:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Okay, wow. I'm a bit dissapointed with the lot of you.

Anyone here read Slashdot? There’s a bit of jargon they use over there, “TFA” which, apologies to Dave, does include a controversial word. It’s usually used in this context:

“Did you read TFA?!?!?!?!”

Normally when BE links to outside content, I read the original articles first, as the admonition suggests. Today I didn’t, and it’s given me an impression that not a whole lot of you did either before commenting. Because after all of this “I can’t understand a gosh darn thing Nate is saying” I went back and actually read the whole article from Joe, and I don’t see the problem that anyone here is having.

Yes, Nate has some go to phrases, and he takes a couple shortcuts on syntax, but it’s not like this is new for anybody. You’ve been reading that kind of dialog for years. Ben’s quote above in isolation is a little confusing, sure. But raoulduke’s analysis above isn’t a product of linguistic genius, its an obvious distillation when you read the entire Joe Freeman piece. Nate also said:

"No. This was part of the meeting that we’ve had the last two years at my house. So it’s not …"

"No. This is what those meetings were about. I thought we would get to this last year and we didn’t because Greg got injured and ended up coming off the bench. And we talked about it this year, again, that’s what those meetings were about. This is not something that’s all of a sudden happened."

That was a pretty infamous JQuick article last year, Nate having dinner with our “Big Three” and talking to them about how they in particular were going to need to learn to play well together. What went un-covered by the “O” is that he reiterated this point with them again this season.

We also know from earlier this season that it was not part of the original plan for Greg to be involved in the offense so early. He was going to take it slow, focus on the defensive end, let the defensive end come over time. That’s not just good for Greg in terms of not demanding too much of him. It’s also good for Brandon and LMA, to give them time to adjust. Only it didn’t work out that way.

If you people want to blame a coach, blame Bill Bayno. Because he worked magic with Greg over the summer, and Greg has developed so rapidly on the court, in a time period where there were hardly intervening practices, and as a result Greg got out in front of of everybody’s expectations, players and coaches alike, and now they are scrambling to catch up.

This is, as has so often been mentioned about the Blazers, “a great problem to have.” Coach Nate recognizes this. Heck, go read the whole Miller Q&A as well. He is pointing out the exact same thing but he’s using an entirely different way of saying it.

But our response is to be smug grammar-flamers and roast the Coach because of his syntax? And to treat him like he’s a bumbling fool because we can’t be bothered to read TFA?

Not. Cool.

by conspirator5 on Dec 1, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions  

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