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I should preface this post by first saying that I've been a long-time fan of Nate and that I'm not advocating his immediate removal.  However, I used to think that Nate was our Jerry Sloan - the guy that was going to be there for us for the next 10 years and (unlike Sloan) win us a few titles.  But even though it's early in the season, the total lack of improvement  (or in some cases, regression) since last season makes me think that Nate's ceiling may be much, much lower.

Pick and Roll Defense - Obviously, this has been discussed ad nauseum around here, but it bears repeating.  Our P&R defense is atrocious.  It was terrible last year, and it's no better this year.  I know that it's only 5 games in, but we had all last season and this offseason to see that it needs improvement.  At what point does Nate stop with this "switch on every pick" idea and start getting our big men to jump out on the ballhandler?  If you watch top defensive teams against the P&R, you rarely if ever see them switch the big man onto a small guard like we do.  And we do it almost EVERY TIME.  How often do we need to see Greg Oden guarding Mike Bibby at the 3 point line before Nate realizes this doesn't work?

Playing Rotation - I'm willing to cut Nate a little more slack on this one, simply because it's still so early in the season and he's adjusting to having Miller and Webster in, with Batum out.  Obviously, there is some room for experimentation at this point.  But still, the set rotation with Oden regardless of how well he's playing just doesn't make sense.  It keeps him from staying in a rhythm and God-forbid - actually rolling on offense.  We've all seen Oden get yanked the moment he gets that second foul, but he will have to learn to play with fouls at some point.  And then to watch Miller, Roy and Blake out there for minutes on end, with Josh Smith and Al Horford killing us in the paint?  Painful.  Yes we have a lot of talent, but Nate should take a page out of other top coaches' playbooks and ride his horses.  He is so committed to bringing in his line changes that he doesn't seem to notice when it kills our flow of play.

Offensive Play Sets - While some might point at specific players for this next part, I put the blame squarely on the coaching staff.  First of all, Brandon Roy is a great offensive player.  But him scoring 25 - 30 points a night is not the best way for this team to win consistently.  If he's not willing to take a step back offensively (at least in the short-term) so that other players can get some touches, Nate should step in and coach.  As much as I love watching Roy, it is really frustrating to watch him ignore the screener on every pick & roll, only for him to either 1) back up with the double team in his face, only to swing it around the arc to someone 30 feet from the hoop or 2) to put his head down and drive without ever looking for a pass inside.  And as many on here have noted, he and the rest of the team are apparently incapable of feeding the post when the big man is in a good position.  Tonight was slightly better, but Oden and Aldridge are still getting the ball when they are 10-12 feet from the hoop.  Hit them when they have gained position 5-6 feet from the hoop and watch the difference.

Also, our movement off the ball has really regressed this season.  I thought that Rudy might rub off on some of our guys and start coming off screens more often, but unfortunately that doesn't seem to be happening that much.  Instead, I see Outlaw, Webster, Blake, Roy, all swinging the ball around the perimeter predictably, leading to easy tips for the opposing defense.  The fact that guys like Rudy, Roy and Outlaw make some really tough shots doesn't only disguises the fact that they are routinely taking contested mid-range jumpers.  Those shots dry up in the playoffs.

Conclusion

Obviously, we don't know what Nate is telling these guys every day in practice.  Maybe he is constantly on them to look for the cutter off the screen and maybe he tells them to feed the post.  But all I see is that we are what Sir Charles thought we are - a jump shooting team.  We're the same team now as we were last season, so it's not like these issues are new.

It's still early, so I hope Nate can correct some of these issues.  But given the lack of improvement over the past season and change in all three areas, I'm starting to doubt whether Nate is our guy long-term.  We may have seen his ceiling at this point, and this season will tell us quite a bit about whether we need someone new to take us to the next level.

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by AK1984 on Nov 4, 2009 1:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Who to replace him?

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by faith on Nov 4, 2009 4:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

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by EngineerScotty on Nov 4, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Players are in some aspects like moldable clay.
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There are limits to what you can do with them, but the results are highly dependent on the artist’s vision. In the case of the PTB our clay is drying out and cracking for lack of proper use.
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We obviously do not seem to know what to do with:
Andre Miller
Greg Oden
Brandon Roy
Travis Outlaw
Steve Blake
Rudy Fernandez

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To a lesser degree we seem to be confused about what to do with:
Martel Webster
Jerryd Bayless (some would include Jerryd above)
Joel Przybilla
Nic Batum
Lamarcus Aldridge

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Players need to be molded with a vision, a goal, in mind. They need roles that fit them and in turn fit the team. I am not seeing the sort of near term vision that leads to quality finished pieces of artwork.

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And the sort of artistic vision that I am talking about should have been substantially in place from before the time our players were acquired. Are we blind now (McMillan)? Or have we been suffering from this blindness reaching back into our past (KP)? Someone is going to have to make a call on this situation here pretty soon, because it is hard to see us advancing very far in the playoffs with out advancing conceptually first.

The best players only try to, "do it all," themselves when it is a playoff necessity or, on occasion, to put on a show. Other than that, the game is easy for them, and they are just having fun and getting a workout in. There is no need to belabor the point!

by KINGofMACct on Nov 4, 2009 5:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

here are my favorites so far

4: Aldridge/Outlaw
5: Oden/Przy
3: Webster/Outlaw
2: Rudy/Webster

and any one of:

1: Roy, Blake, Miller.

I think it would be very, very interesting to park Roy on the bench for one game and let him get a look at what is happening on the court from the on-the-bench perspective. This, to me, would be a much better option than changing coaches. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy definitely needs

to take another look and I believe he is trying to. It is a little bit like a King trying to figure out what is wrong with his court.

The best players only try to, "do it all," themselves when it is a playoff necessity or, on occasion, to put on a show. Other than that, the game is easy for them, and they are just having fun and getting a workout in. There is no need to belabor the point!

by KINGofMACct on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Roy spends enough minutes on the bench each game to see what's happening.

The players right now look like pieces from different puzzles. No matter how Nate combines them, he can’t get them to fit with each other.

by MiledAnimal on Nov 4, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Coaching

I completely agree, more than anything else this season, (including the preseason) I have been disappointed by what Coach Nate has been unable to do. Nate was given the same team back from last year, the only major difference was adding Miller instead of Sergio. We can talk all we want about Oden moving to the starting lineup, but Oden was here last year, Nate should be able to see what he is capable of and in turn use him correctly. Miller is the only player Nate has never coached, at least the only player in the rotation. His inability to work Miller into the games is a major flaw, if you look at the other championship contending teams they all have at least one major player to work into their rotation as well, but almost all of them have been able to do it.

With the benefit of a free league pass preview I have been able to watch some of the other games around the NBA in the early part of this season. Watching Boston, who is working in Wallace, they are putting on a clinic. Watching Denver, who is working in a couple of minor bench players, their offense looks amazing. Watching the L@kers, working in Artest, they still run smooth on offense. Watching Dallas, who is working in Marion, they look the part. Watching San Antonio, who is working in Jefferson, their defense is still there. The Cavs, who are working in Shaq have had the most problems, but they still look like a dominate team. The Blazers right now, do not look the part of a top tier playoff team. They are lost on defense and offense regularly, no one knows their role, and they all seem in a fog.

I put all of this squarely on Nate’s shoulders, it was his decision to “let the players decide who starts” in training camp, then he took all of the preseason to make a decision, giving the team no time to adjust to their roles in the preseason. The rotations during the preseason where never defined, and now that has carried over into the season. Players do not know when they are going to play, or who they are going to play with, or what their role is in the lineups Nate is throwing out in games. Nate needs to take a clue from the other coaches in this league, pick your guys and stay with them, stop messing around with everyone and just define the roles already!

Watching last nights game, I could tell from the start that it was going to be a bad game once again, even if the blazers somehow pulled out a win. When Nate started Joel in the 2nd half I pretty much starting to wish that the game would go south so bad that something would have to be done. But unfortunately the Blazers hung in the game because of their talent dispite their coaching. Reading between the lines, Roy for the first time that I can remember, basically called out his coach in the media after the game. Saying that he wasn’t sure of what to do with the lineups that were being used. When your star doesn’t even know his role, you have failed as a coach.

Please coach Nate, stop experimenting and make a decision already, pick your guys, tell the rest, “TOUGH!” and lets get on with the season.

by usmcr3049 on Nov 4, 2009 7:57 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

The comparison really drives it home

I live in LA, so I’ve been getting League Pass for several seasons now, and I’ve had a chance to watch a lot of games with other teams. Add the difference between us and the Celtics, Spurs, Magic, etc. is always really glaring. Even when we were winning a lot of games last year, we were doing it on the strength of our offense. And most times that offense came from one-on-one play from Roy, Outlaw, Aldridge or three point shooting. And while our offense put up great numbers last season, it was always so dependent on these factors. We could be a lot like the Magic offensively, but the difference was that they set up their offense by going inside first. That would open the game for everyone else and also make sure they have options other than jump shots. And defensively? We never came close to the top teams.

by Oppy on Nov 4, 2009 9:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Nate has an unhealthy obsession with Roy

Not trusting anyone else on the team is a mental block

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 5, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Also

I told myself during the preseason that it would take 15-20 games to get into a groove, so I wasn’t going to worry too much if we were floating around .500 that whole time. BUT I never expected us to look so disjointed and off. Honestly, there has only been a total of 3 or 4 minutes of play this season where I thought the team was actually enjoyable to watch. Even when we are winning quarters (see: last night and game vs. Thunder), the offense is struggling and the defense is a sieve. We’ve just been lucky that the other team isn’t making all the open looks they get. It’s early, but we haven’t looked like a team that is just a little rusty.

by Oppy on Nov 4, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Finally, I thought it showed a lack of class for him to blame the loss on the players "lack of effort"

First of all, I still think Nate is a good coach and a great fit in Portland. I believe in him long term. However, that choice of words bothered me a soon as I heard him say it. You could accuse the team of not playing well or intelligently last night, but the effort was there from every guy on the court. Right now, what I see as Nate’s biggest flaw is his inflexibility. If things aren’t going well, it must be because of the players, not anything to do with the rotation/strategy. That is wrong, as the blame can go to both sides. It is indeed early, and I think it will take at least 20 games or so for the rotation and corresponding to be fully set, but Nate will need to make some adjustments along with the players for the process to work.

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by blazeraddict on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're right

I saw energy on the floor. I also saw people standing around like they didn’t know what to do. Tough to have energy when you don’t know where to commit it. Maybe they should have broken out some break dancing moves while the guy with the ball figured out what to do with it. Then they would have had some nice display of energy instead of sitting around unable to unleash it.

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But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Nov 4, 2009 12:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Nate sees a lack of effort then he needs to back up all his talk

The bench is not a place where players want to sit.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 5, 2009 7:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Putting Nate on the hot seat is crazy

There are very few coaches that would make this team better. That said, I wholeheartedly agree that he is doing a rotten job right now when it comes to handling rotations.

I literally had to change the channel when we had the small lineup in last night as the Hawks repeatedly got layups and rebounds. What the hell was he thinking?

And his handling of Oden has been horrible.

The only person I’m more disappointed in than Nate right now? Brandon Roy. The guy has been part of the problem so far. I don’t know if he’s just going through tough times off the court or what, but all the way back to his contract talks in the media, he’s been sullen and it’s showing on the court and in how he leads

Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!

by hawkblogger on Nov 4, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I'll agree

I’ll agree that there is an issue. I saw greg set a screen and blake run right by him and not use the screen. I saw instants of blown plays like this constantly. Frankly I don’t get it. Even I (not a great basketball player by any means) know to use a screen when it presents itself instead of bypassing it and running into the guy who was supposed to be screened. My point is that players who should know better appear to NOT know better. It’s a fundamental team even if you’re all playing a pick-up game. I blame the players for that, not the coach.

Another issue is the substitution. Not playing greg? All those switches in the end game?

I know the players may not be playing the way you want, but that many changes is NOT good. The combinations seem to fail horribly. the only combo I’ve liked is the starters. I love Webster even if he is still off out there. I love Aldridge. Greg looks horrible and great at the same time, which I can definitely live with. Roy… I don’t feel him right now.

If I had the time I’d want to list out who was playing and what the unit +/- was for each line-up change for the past four games. If someone else has the time, that would be wonderful.

Defensively… It felt like Atlanta was a hot knife through our defensive butter at times. The blazers might as well just have set themselves down on the bench and offered up girl scout cookies as atlanta went in for the dunk.

There’s a need to adjust, and then there’s just plain out embarrassment. That blazer team on the floor was horrible. I was admiring the plays of Atlanta and NOT the blazers.

I had a time period last year where I walked away from the blazers for a bit because I couldn’t handle them making so many mistakes that were just bone headed. I suspect this will be happening again.

The season is young. I’ve been saying “10 games” to get these kinks out, but last night didn’t look like a kink, unless you’re into S&M. It looked like a train wreck full of tnt next to a boy scouts campfire. it felt like the blazers managed to stay close DESPITE what they were doing. Some lucky and timely threes meant that the game was a 20 point loss.

Is Nate our coach? i don’t know. I’ve defended him. I’ve stated that he needs to have the tools to do his job and not a plastic fork to dig a hole. He has some tools that he just needs to sharpen and instead of digging a hole it looks like he’s banging them against a boulder.

Here’s hoping things get better.

"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.

But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html

"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez

by ratbastird on Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

More on Nate

  Read my chemistry post, I am not sure WHAT Nate is doing, but if not corrected soon he will lose any confidence this team had. That stands for more rollercoaster basketball.

by Lunatic on Nov 4, 2009 12:51 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Up until this season I maintained a favorable attitude toward Nate,

But this season has seemed so disorganized, even confused. Brandon said yesterday, he was looking to build on last season, but now we seem to be starting over. A lot of us were looking to build on the strong finish to last season. It is like I suddenly started questioning the effectiveness of the coaching. I have posted little about it, but i am really impressed with the considerable chorus of dissatisfaction of many knowledgeable fans on the Blazers coaching. My, and seemingly our, focus has previously been on getting the right players together for our great team. Yet, when we have arguably the best roster since Sabonis, we falter. It is like the spotlight has dramatically shifted from the players to the coach, and what is being exposed is not pretty. The highlighted deficiencies are not new, they are just more starkly exposed. Nate did well getting us to the playoffs. We had great improvements under him. And that argues for some patience with him. But I am not feeling patient. So many are making persuasive critiques of the coaching. It is like the dam burst.
At the same time, to my mind, the realization of coaching deficiency has an exciting component – this is something a lot easier to change than, say, a “franchise player”. The coach has a lot of power and effect on the teams performance. I have nothing personal against Nate, and he has some time to prove us wrong (I just hope not too much). If he goes, he will go a rich and famous coach, who will probably work elsewhere if he wants. He’ll be ok. This is not about him, it is about the team. What if the “right” coach can take the team to the next level, make the right calls. I don’t know exactly who is available that could be “the one”. It does us no good at all to make a coaching change that is not a significant improvement for the team. But I am finding is much more interesting to consider changing coaches rather than making changes to our roster.

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by Berkeley on Nov 4, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Nate still has some time

He needs to make this year work though. Especially since a lot of these chemistry problems fall squarely on his doorstep. 45 wins and there are going to be questions.

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by leeroyjenkins on Nov 5, 2009 7:55 AM PST reply actions   0 recs


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