Gameday Open Thread: Hawks vs. Blazers Post-Game Edition
by Dave on Nov 3, 2009 9:00 PM PST
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Discuss the remainder of the game and your post-game reactions right here. The game recap and Media Row Report will be coming soon.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Why is Miller out there? I thought Rudy and Roy were playing some PG this year?
You could get Marty out there to guard Joe Smith and make, I don’t show, a shot.
ridiculous.
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions
Hi. My name is Martell. I couldn't miss.
naturally I should sit on the bench next to the centers….
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:03 PM PST reply actions
My feed is laggy, but the game ain't over yet, right?
"Quid, Me Anxius Sum?"
http://www.cdbaby.com/Artist/Year5000
A recap of the last thread:
every single post was (correctly) about them playing without a center
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
Hawks up by 6 with 6 minutes to go.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Boo Nate
We’ve got two 7 footers and they are both on the bench.
put a center in
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
Martell sitting. LMA out, Oden in. Nate is a dunce.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
nate showed that when he went away from oden despite his hot start.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
few things evident thus far
1. we need a big man coach-teaching bigs how to establish position/start moves and some better routes off picks
2. we need to coach our smalls to wait for the pick to be set so it can be effective, and how to get our bigs involved
3. we need nate to establish a rotation and roles for people. Substitution pattern, sure, but also a less complicated strategy for the p&r defense
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Nov 3, 2009 9:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Travis playing well.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Just joining the thread. A few hours after the game.
I watched the whole thing, and I was baffled the entire game. I basically came to the conclusion that almost everything I am seeing is a coaching issue, not an individual issue.
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
Oden once again stripped.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
And loose ball foul on GO.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
These Oden fouls are crap.
No respect.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
That was an authentic foul.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
yeah
that was a good call
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:07 PM PST up reply actions
I'm listening on the radio.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Oh. Pay no attention to the portly man.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I swear he'll have a heart attack on air some day.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
He probably will
It’ll come over a major block, during the celebration we’ll start to hear sounds of distress, then silence.
by Oden_Favre_28 on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
actually most of the fouls are accurate and its funny
every game i see him get 2 fouls when he’s about to be subbed out. I wonder if he’s winded and wants a dead ball or what because it looks like he almost triesto foul at those times.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
He makes a lot of crappy fouls
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
Let Oden foul out. Keep him in!
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
That will not take long.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
When are they going to Violet the boot?
She’s not good.
It was a fair cop, mate.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
OK. enough JV camera angles.
get your greasy hands off of the board, you engineer losers.
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions
leave him in
Oden needs to learn to play with fouls and if he sits I doubt we’ll go back in
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
noooooo
put a center in
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
KEEP ODEN IN THANK YOU!!!
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Nov 3, 2009 9:09 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
who has less of a clue, nate or outlaw, someone should make a fanshot poll
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
by nima on Nov 3, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
outlaw is so smart.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
at least its better than AI's start with the griz
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
I'm starting to think this season is still a warm up
of course, if that were the case J-Bay would get minutes.
sheesh…
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions
Travis passes up the open look 3 with 3 seconds to shoot in favor of the shot clock violation........
L _ _
B _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
_ . _ .
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Trying.....not......to......swear........
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Outlaw fail
martell would have taken that shot without hesitating.
Outlaw Blake out, Webster Miller in please
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Outlaw
$1,000,000 athlete
$10 basketball iq
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
by halo_on on Nov 3, 2009 9:11 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I don't know why it's so hard not to keep one center. ..
in there at all times to clog the lane. C’mon Nate.
its not like ATL is getting offensive boards...am i rite?
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
our offense looks like 5 chickens running around with heads cut off. its like noone has played together.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Brandon has dribblexia...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
by timbo on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i hate you outlaw
no, i love you
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
One of those.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
great D effort there by our max player
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Has Miller made a shot yet this year?
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:13 PM PST reply actions
I look at Miller and wonder what he can do that Rex can't do...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
pass...
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions
Unlike Jerryd Bayless, Andre Miller can run the point.
Neither one of them is the answer, though, nor is Steve Blake.
This team has needed a defensive-minded off guard — not a floor general (i.e., Miller), midget shooting guard (i.e, Bayless), or athletically challenged off guard (i.e., Blake) — so Kevin Pritchard not trading for Kirk Hinrich midway through last season is inexcusible in my opinion.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
shut up about Kirk already! He's not available!
especially for Blake or Miller….
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Unless he's got 6 fouls, Greg Oden should play the final six minutes of every game.
On another important note, Oden needs to be further integrated into the offense—immediately!
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 3, 2009 9:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yes, but more lobs and rolls, less postups
only problem is the only guy we have who can hit him on a lob or pick and roll rarely gets the chance to
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
i don't want any johnson stuck in my eye.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Atlanta by 4 with 90 seconds to play.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Final minute of the game online stream, quick!
http://www.justin.tv/blazerscasthq3
password is: roymvp5th
hahaha
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions
This one is on "Square Wheel" Nate.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Wheels just about to have an stroke on air right now.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Wow....what was that?
"Rudy is not everyday a shooter," Fernandez said. "He's defense. He's passes. He's assists."
Are we seriously the worst fast break team in the league?
by Qreatine on Nov 3, 2009 9:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yep
and the shame is, we have some great fast break players. rudy, outlaw, webster, LMA, Batum, Bayless
but no trigger man, and it’s clearly not something we practice or preach
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
hard to run the break on the bench
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
i think i need to take a couple weeks off
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
I think you're good and Nate needs a couple weeks off. An 8 game preseason clearly was not long enough for him. His brain is melting....
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
i have never been so mad at a coach of my favorite team since holmgren in the super bowl
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
Whoa,
the refs took that game from the ’Hawks.
and his 2 minute drill playcalling
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't know the refs gave up a 75 yard touchdown run...hmm?
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
Super Bowl XL wasn't Mike Holmgren's fault whatsoever.
The blame for that sham lies strictly on the NFL bigwigs for fixing it.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I put this loss all on Nate.
No center in the game for the first 6 minutes of the 4th. Horrible substitutions throughout.
or a center in a game
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions
Ha
Yes. Sergio was our Hawk killer. (Don’t tell PETA)
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that!!!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Sergio got a DNP-CD in the Sacramento/Grizz confrontation...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
His butt got sore.
I bet he said that in Spanish.
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he will work a trade to Charlotte.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
BALLGAME.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
no oden for the offensive board
what a shock
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
How many games did we lose at the Garden last year?
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
7
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions
We are not on a good pace.
I know, obvious statement.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Well, that was a bummer.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
blake is in why?
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
to hit a 3
of course him guarding Joe Johnson is not a good thing…
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
Because he plays so well with Roy.
And according to Nate, we have no idea what is going on.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
these no defense playing motherfathers...roy wasn't worth the money, aldridge less than roy
fat jesus lives.
whatever you're drinkin'
save some for the rest of us
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 PM PST up reply actions
yeah Mike Rice
but your best offensive rebounder wasn’t in the game….
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Already two losses here at home.
I really hope this is just the team adjusting, or else this gonna be a very long season.
Well,
My thinking is that if we don’t have ten wins by the end of the month, we might be in trouble.
I think it is part of KP's plan for more lottery picks.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Nate McMillan can't coach pivotmen or pick-and-roll defense, which was obvious from his days in Seattle.
The Portland Trail Blazers desperately need an individual who knows how to run a NBA offense — preferably a slow-paced, methodical system that relies heavily on pick-and-rolls, as well as feeding the big guy down on the low block — thus, I’ll keep harping about Jeff Van Gundy.
Yeah, I know a lot of casual fans don’t think Van Gundy’s style is pretty and all that crap; however, it’s effective and he actually gets his players to perform at an adequate standard on defense. For McMillan, it’s more about empty rhetoric and letting his star pupil slack off on defense than coaching his guys up on that end of the court.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 3, 2009 9:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'm about ready for a change this evening... But it's hard to believe that JVG knows much of anything, judging by his loopy and inane TV commentary...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I'd take Adelman.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
Adelman's winning over Houston
JVG took a team starting a 6’2 SG(Wesley),McGrady and Juwan and produced a top 5 defense. The man can coach defense. Offense,eh. Contrary to his rep he didn’t complain about players’ shots,so long as they played D,they could take whatever shots they wanted.
JVG has always had
Horrid offense teams, but their defense was amazing considering the personnel he had to work with. And interesting tidbit was that Thibodeau was JVG’s assistant, and we all know how good Thibodeau’s defensive schemes are.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
I'd take Rick Adelman on offense, but Jeff Van Gundy on defense.
Between those two guys, it’s a toss-up. They’re both better than Nate McMillan, though.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
you mean Hinrich should be the next Blazer coach, right?
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions
i remember thinking at the beginning of free agency 'please don't sign miller, the no jump shot pg'...trade aldridge, rudy, outlaw, and cash for CP3
fat jesus lives.
George Shinn wouldn't even trade Chris Paul for Brandon Roy.
It baffles me folks don’t realize how financially marketable Paul is for that struggling New Orleans franchise.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I doubt even Roy would be enough
Portland would have to take Peja, Peterson, and the rest of NO’s bad contracts in exchange for Aldridge, Roy, and various other assets to get CP3.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Ben R insinuated that taking on bad contracts would make the situation better.
The situation will never, ever, be good enough for a trade to actually happen. Not within the realms of reality anyway.
#88<#23<#25
Ah, gotcha.
I read “I don’t think you understand AK” as “I don’t think you understand, AK.”
That comma makes a big difference. My mistake.
formerly rockingharder
Well, I wasn't supporting the notion the trade would actually happen
I was just indicating how it actually would be conducted if it ever happened. There’s no level of financial hell that Shinn could fall to in order to convince him to ever trade Paul.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
This is depressing
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Oden's hot!! lets sub him out. Wait no Martell's hot!! lets sub him out too!
thanks little mac.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".
...no seriously--stop.
Little Mac.
Makes me think of “Little Penny”. (from the 90’s)
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
The radio guys said that Horford was staring down the crowd.
This true?
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
he seemed to stare after his dunk. I would too.
a bunch of dumb white dweebs. I’d totally stare em’ down!
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wheels was just doing his
wrestle mania style of commentating. “And he’s staring down the crowd!!! What is that all about!!??”
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
haha. he did stare. it was cool, I thought.
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
isn'
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions
oops. isn't he man-crushin' on Travis though?
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
That's one of the most hilarious moments in NBA history, with JVG grabbing ahold of Alonzo Mourning ...
and hanging on tightly for dear life.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
what did we learn?
if you have to great rebounding centers, and you are getting killed on boards, you should play on of them
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
Well, that justin.tv feed was awesome. Whoever provided that, I want to carry your baby.
by Liface on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
ROR!
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, we've got 2 games against the T-wolves coming.... Maybe we can win one!
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
As long as their scouts didn't watch the Rockets game.
or this one.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Watching the Blazers makes me want to vomit
"I can cross 'stab Hitler to death' off my list of cool crap I thought I'd never get to do." -Brock Samson
Also, COMCAST SUCKS!!!
by randommanthefirst on Nov 3, 2009 9:25 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Dammit
A winnable game, all the more frustrating because we’re still not playing well at all YET have a chance to win.
Damn.
Thank goodness November is easy-ish, we got some work to do…
Agreed.
They’re still searching, but I really have to wonder what Nate is thinking. Has the small ball line-up at the end of games ever worked for us? Not that I can remember.
I just hope these games don't come back
to bite us in the keister in May.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
Rubio.
definitely would have been a sweet pick!
[/sarcasm]
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions
Pathetic coaching
And the worst game I’ve ever seen Roy play.
Nate, Nate, Nate...
Wow, I really have to wonder what he is thinking…
Five
Five dollar
.
Five dollar foot looooong
I love Outlaw
But man he drives me crazy during games. So many mistakes…
Then he goes and hits 2 shots. Man. Drives me batty.
The role of a great leader...
Is to understand his troops strengths and weaknesses and to put them in a position to succeed. It’s almost like Nate is purposely putting people in poor situations to help them “grow”. Never works.
Yeah I'm really sure with everyones harping
the Blazers are gonna fire McMillan…who will it be next month…come on I’ve been hearing this since High School…fire the coach , fire the players…always something. How about we just lost!
the bright side
is that we play sucky yet still have chances to win.
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
"we"?
you have a Pistons logo so…um…
how are the Blazers and you dating?
you old dawg, you;)
"We're going to play the right way. It ain't about you. It's about us. We can be successful if we play together. And that's what it's about. In this league, playing hard, playing together. Your numbers shouldn't matter." - Coach McMillan
by Hipster Olympic Team! on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
that was from the mock draft
I was the pistons, and have never gone around to changing it
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
Man
I am a staunch backer of Nate under most all circumstances. Tonight he managed to find that special “What the frick” zone.
The zone defense with no center? Not running a single play for Martell when he started heating up in the third? Not running a single play for Rudy, our one dynamic halfcourt player right now, when the offense bogged down in the fourth? The crazy substitution patterns? Yikes.
"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov
which is not to excuse the players
Outlaw’s mental lapse on the 24 second clock, Roy’s inexcusably going under the screen when Johnson canned it in his eye, our utter inability to convert a 4 v. 2 fast break when our chance to win depended on it…that’s on the players.
"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
Outlaw and Roy's lack of focus there drove me nuts
Roy knows better, going under the screen there is lazy defense…
no
Blazers’ inability to run the break is on Nate.
The fact that we don't create nearly enough situations where we're fast breaking is on him, I agree with you
but not being able to convert a FOUR on TWO once we get in that situation? That’s not Nate’s fault. These are NBA freaking players. They’ve been running 3-on-2, 2-on-1s since they popped out of the womb. My CYO high school coach would have been rightfully livid with the spacing on that pivotal fast break…it would have been miserable with 11th graders, let alone with professional basketball players.
"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 4, 2009 6:37 AM PST up reply actions
I've been watching this team for three years now
and they have been unable to execute a fast break on 100s of occasions.
Because of this, I conclude that they do not work on it in practice.
Ergo, it is on Nate.
a loss on friday is foreseen
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Nate coached poorly...
but Roy also played a pretty bad game
Awful
I’d like to see him exercise some leadership by passing the ball, rather than by flapping his gums.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 3, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't thin he was horrible
but he can’t do it by himself on offense, whether that’s his, Nate’s, or both of their idea
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
I still don't say this is mostly Nate
Our guys aren’t playing well together, Oden can’t stay out of foul trouble— BAD foul trouble—, Outlaw keeps missing rotations are guarding the wrong area in the zone or not being aware of time and situation…
The team isn’t playing well together. Nate is just trying to figure it all out like we are.
Leaves me confused too
I’d rather we STUCK with a rotation and let it be, but I know Oden’s foul problems and Roy and Millers non-cohesiveness throws a monkey wrench in that plan.
I do not get why he has Blake in there
When RUDY is such an obvious choice…
Maybe Rudy’s back hurts more than we know and his minutes are limited.
Or, Nate is too loyal to his guys and is thinking we need Blake out there…
I dunno. I don’t get it. I think Nate really considers the “why” of his decisions, so he has a reason for it… I just don’t agree with the end result at all.
I think that's one of the problems with getting close you your players
He’s been teaching/preaching the team=family mentality but if he falls into that mindset himself then he won’t be able to make the personnel decisions that he needs to. He’ll end up benching a someone who’s feeling it (Webster) and play someone who has been off all night (blake)
by EastWenatchee...representin' on Nov 3, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
One thing I do know is that Roy needed to stop forcing it so much.
I may not be a b-ball expert but I know 5 on 1 aint gonna get it done.
He couldn't dribble today
Roy’s stats look good, but he hasn’t been playing as well as he can play. THAT has been a big reason we’re 2 and 3 as well.
Stats don't look good tonight
He won’t let go of last year. He has to decide whether he wants to dominate the ball or win big games.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
How many of Oden's fouls...
Were a result of defensive lapses on the perimeter though? Granted he needs to learn to give space on big men who can put the ball on the floor, but I saw at least two fouls that were called because he was trying to cover someone’s back. I can live with the hustle fouls. Also, the refs are still in “preseason” mode. Hell, I’m not a Violet Palmer fan even when she’s in full swing. Hehe.
we went an entire quarter without a Center
That is flat out inexcusable given that neither fouled out.
Nate did a horrible job in this game.
I also thought Roy was terrible down the stretch with his ball handling and decision making.
Rudy and Oden should play more. I’m about 5-10 games from advocating trading or benching Blake.
Blake and Outlaw drive me most crazy
I know Blake’s deal is that he is careful, but I’ve never been a fan of his late game decision making.
Teams go small because they DON’T have a good center… we got two good centers, we should never go small. Of course, their foul problems have made it tougher, but still.
Roy hasn’t been the same Roy, LMA is coming on better thankfully, and playing Blake over Rudy is so curious it makes my teeth itch.
I saw going small as a response to offensive inefficiency, and at first it worked. We got an awesome dish from Dre to LMA and then a wide open Rudy 3.
And then it all went to pot.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
I agree. But I disagree that Nate could stand pat at the moment in the 4th when he put the small lineup in. We couldn’t buy a basket leading up to that time and we had choked away a lead. I don’t want Nate pulling an Adelman and pacing up and down the sidelines with his arms crossed until we’re down by ten.
But, that said, he should have gone away from the small lineup as soon as he saw how miserable the defense was.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I'm not sure what to do with Steve Blake now that Kirk Hinrich is off the table.
Still, a trade of Travis Outlaw for Kurt Thomas — as well as Patty Mills being waived and Ime Udoka brought back from the scrap heap — should be done as of yesterday to shore up this team’s putrid defense.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Maybe we now see why
Andre Miller was the last resort. good player. awful fit
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
You thought Miller was the problem there?
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 3, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions
12 assists...5 shots?
Yeah, he’s the reason the offense was stagnant. It had nothing to do with Roy’s insistence on dribbling 12 seconds every possession, so he can create some “magic.”
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 3, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions
I agree I think Miller is the problem
But I think it has more to do with his inability to create team chemistry or find any place to fit into this team.
I’m not going to entirely blame it on KP, I think Miller sold himself as something that he’s not, but in the end KP is supposed to be able to see through that and make the right personnel choices for the team.
by EastWenatchee...representin' on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
Huh?
12 assists, no turnovers. His inability to find chemistry? His inability to find a place?
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 3, 2009 10:10 PM PST up reply actions
Hey, that's the Damon Stoudamire offense!
At least Roy runs around while he does it.
formerly rockingharder
anyone still thinks we going to match last seasons win tottal, good luck
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Just 2 and 3
3 losses by just a few points… we’re playing bad, and still almost able to win. I am confident we can turn it around easily.
BUT we shouldn’t have to turn it around. We should be building from where we left off.
not going to happen this aint the same team as last years i have a feeling this team is in for a long season
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions
That makes no sense
We add 1 good player who needs a transition period, and Oden still has foul problems but per-minute has been very dang good.
I’d give it ten games.
i hope youre right but im telling you batum going down really messed things up
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don't see the loss of Batum being the problem
Roy’s inconsistency, LMA’s early poor play, Oden’s foul problems, and the lack of cohesiveness with Miller and playing Blake over Rudy are much bigger reasons to me.
Plus, Martell is bringing Batum’s level of defense thus far. Batum ain’t the missing ingredient; we ain’t missing any ingredients. We just don’t got them in the right mix yet.
and all that is because of the coach agreed
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of teams are missing 1 player now
The Cavs had to play without Delonte West, who is basically their Batum and the l*kers don’t have Gasol. The team just doesn’t look right, like they aren’t quite comfortable. It looks like everyone is thinking a lot and not just playing instinctive basketball. Last season they seemed to flow and everyone knew what their role was.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
Not being comfortable is right
They lack cohesion… not to say that word too much, but to me it describes it perfectly.
That we STILL have almost won each of our 3 losses means we are still a very good team, but a very good team playing poorly— for us.
We ain’t getting beat, we’re beating ourselves.
Wait til Batum comes back. HE’LL know what to do.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
and puppy-dog looks.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
And, a little known factoid about him, he also has a prehensile tail.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Roy needs spacing
For a while at the end we had a lineup of Miller, Outlaw, Aldridge, and Oden with Roy. In the 4th quarter our best option is always Roy isolation, but he needs shooters around him. With that lineup the closest thing to a shooter was Outlaw, and he passed up an open 3 to drive the lane and have a shot clock violation. At all times we need to have Webster or Rudy out there. If the only thing Miller is going to do on offense is take the ball up the court and pass it to Roy we might as well have Roy playing the point at the end of games. It would have been especially good tonight when he was off and could have distributed the ball instead of trying to score 1 on 1 with everyone packed in the paint.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
Any special reason we ran small ball
For about 90% of the 4th quarter… Joel only had 2 fouls, why not plug him in when Oden’s out. Felt like we let outselves get beaten with the line up we ran.
We gotta get some chemistry. just STFU and play either one point guard for a long stretch
mixing this shhh up is not going to work.
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
Maybe the worst part is
Bill Simmons could be right. this team just doesnt feel right. remember last year when the pistons traded for iverson and people said “give it time”? and we all know how that worked out.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Nov 3, 2009 9:30 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
yeah Bill doesnt seem so crazy now
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
by CroRupt on Nov 3, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
not with that point differential
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions
Are the 09-10 Blazers the Hornets of 08-09 or Bulls of 07-08?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I was thinking about that.
Everyone is ready for us now. We aren’t going to sneak up on anyone this year.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
It's a little early for that
But yeah overall it feels like Nate still hasn’t gotten any kind of rotation figured out. If we have to go through growing pains, fine go through them, .but constantly shifting guys around doesn’t seem to be helping anyone play well together. They all seem to be looking over seeing when they are gonna get the hook next
Who said "give it time" about the Allen Iverson trade?
All I know is I thought it was a great move for both teams, with the Denver Nuggets getting a much-needed shot in the arm at the point — while also cementing Mark Warkentien for top executive that season — while the Detroit Pistons cleared a bundle of future cap space.
Of course, Joe Dumars was a moron for wasting that hard-earned cap space on Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva — as well as signing Richard Hamilton to too expensive of a contract extension — although that wasn’t on Allen Iverson, who was brought in solely to slash payroll and sell tickets in the meantime.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I thought Nate McMillian worked out the rotation issues in Pre-Season?
Did I miss something? Are we still in pre-season? What the Hell?
Kenny Wheaton #20; The Pick - 1994 v UW. Matthew Harper #20; The Pick #2 - 2007 v USC. John Boyett #20;...
Don't worry
By the all-star break we’ll have it figured out when we’re gunning for a good lottery pick.
by Oden_Favre_28 on Nov 3, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
in a way i almost want to agree with you
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions
Game 5.
Plenty of games left to improve. The positive is that we absolutely know this is not the Blazer’s potential nor even close to it. I know the Blazers are better than the way they are performing and I’m looking forward to changes that will occur.
They are underachieving and Nate is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I don’t think he’s an idiot, but this game makes me question much of his decision making. Hopefully we’ll see adjustments made by the coaching staff and players, if not, we’ll find a coach who can.
In the end, we’ll get through this rough patch one way or another. The team is too talented to be playing like this. I put the blame mostly on Nate, but Roy has got to step up as well. He’s playing like it’s still last year by dominating the ball, not moving off-ball, and generally holding the ball for an isolation. Both Nate and Roy need to figure out how to play with the new players.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
by blzrfan on Nov 3, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
When we were up by 10+ at one point, why didn’t the team go into “step on your throat” mode? We need that gear in these games at home. Can’t take a mediore lead lightly.
Regarding Hedo Türkoğlu:
Look at the bright side, Blazers fans -- you dodged a bullet. He peaked statistically two years ago. He's allegedly 30 but could be closer to 32 or 33 for all we know. (Do you trust Turkish birth certificates? And isn't it weird that he played four years of pro ball in Turkey in the 1990s?)
- Bill Simmons of ESPN.com
He could keep Bayless company on the bench as they watch Blake.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
by OCBlazerFan1 on Nov 3, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
As much as I like John Wall -- who'll be a force in the NBA -- a dribble-drive point guard isn't the type ...
of 1 you put alongside Brandon Roy. For Roy, he works best with a defensive-minded off guard. Without a doubt, the best “defensive-minded off guard” in the NBA today is Kirk Hinrich.
1. Andre Miller is a pure floor general who’s got no range on his shot from beyond the arc and plays piss-poor defense against quicker players, so that nixes him.
2. Steve Blake is a sharp-shooting off guard, yes; however, his defense is all-around garbage and he’s not a starting caliber player. As a result, he’s a no-go.
3. Jerryd Bayless is an undersized shooting guard who pounds the ball, has tunnel vision, and oftentimes puts his head down and guns his way to the rack with no idea how to play team-oriented basketball; plus, he’s an overaggressive one-on-one perimeter defender who sucks at fighting through screens and can’t be a ballhawk due to his tiny wingspan. All things considered, he’s not the answer.
Seriously, I’m aghast that Kevin Pritchard seemingly doesn’t grasp that simple fact. Yet, he’s nevertheless paid the big bucks. Then again, those “big bucks” are paid by Paul Allen, who thinks a tiny waterbug such as Patty Mills has any chance in the NBA. Ugh, this organization is a joke in some ways.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
John Wall needs to get into a high-speed system to be effective
He might even be a SG in the NBA when all is said and done, he looks like the closest thing to Dwyane Wade since Dwyane Wade. His spins and crossovers are great on fast breaks but won’t work so well in half-court sets. He would be great in Sacramento, Golden State, Memphis, etc. and look rather pedestrian in Utah (though that would be interesting since both Williams and him could man both guard spots), Portland, …
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
The Utah Jazz wouldn't be the right system for him, while Golden State is such a mess that I ...
don’t wish that upon anyone. Sacramento would work well for John Wall, though, as Tyreke Evans at the 3, Kevin Martin at the 2, and him at the 1 would be a dynamite wing/guard mixture.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
this makes 3 strait years with bad starts
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
But this year feels different.
It’s not just we have higher expectations. SOMETHING JUST DOESN"T FEEL RIGHT/.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
we haven't beem blown out?
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
all 3 of our losses came against play-off teams
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
We want to be considered a contender?
We need to beat these teams, with easy, at home.
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
^^^Ease***
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
Poor man’s steve kerr? Steve Kerr was good.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Anyone else notice that Rudy doesn't have ONE alley oop this year
That was a nightly occurrence last year (or at least it seemed like it). To me that shows we are not moving without the ball. And what about running Webster off of a few screens once he had the hot hand.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
A few positives...
Oden looked damn good when he was on the court
LaMarcus at least tried to score inside and got double digit boards
Some negatives that stood out:
Roy did not take over down the stretch
Oden foul trouble
The defense was again putrid at times
Nate played to Atlanta’s strenghts…would’ve liked to see him play our bigs more…oh wait foul trouble
Roy did take over down the stretch
Just not with any good results.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 3, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
we should start rebuilding
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Yep. Blow it up.
It was a good try though. Maybe in 5-10 years.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
rebuild around bayless
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
if this keeps going for 10 more games and not improved then i vote to rebuild
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions
Is Barkley right?
Do we not have enough of a post presence?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Sure, in the past
And as long as Oden is in foul trouble, yes— we rely on jumpers too much.
But we got Oden, we got a post presence who is still developing AND we don’t use enough… both because of the team not playing with him correctly, and Oden being in constant foul trouble.
sadly barkley is right
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
Will having cap room last summer actually turn out to be a BAD thing?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
If the signing had been of Hedo Turkoglu, then yes. Andre Miller, however, has a short-term contract ...
that isn’t worth too much in the grand scheme of things. As it is, Kevin Pritchard gets a D grade for his past 12 months on the job; yet, he luckily avoided an F grade, which is due to Mrs. Turkoglu calling the shots for her husband this past summer.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Hasn't Webster been doing way good this year?
He should be playing a lot more minutes than he has been, IMO
Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star
Here are your contest answers
Atlanta 97 , Portland 91
- of Blazers in double figures – 3
Blake/Miller 10 pts vs. Bibby 7 pts
Roy 19 pts vs. Johnson 19 pts – Tie
Blazer offensive rebounds – 10
Our perimeter defense has to get better....
our centers are picking up fouls way too quickly, b/c perimeter defenders can’t keep thier guy from penetrating into the lane. Our centers are an advantage we have over almost every team, but we can’t take advantage of it, b/c our bigs are in foul trouble.
Oden had some fouls he didn't need to do.
Defending Horford with an elbow to the head, coming down on the block attempt on Smith… ya don’t do those two he plays 30 minutes. Then the bad call on the loose ball foul (it’s iffy but I say let ‘em play) don’t matter.
His per minute averages are super encouraging, but damn… wish he wouldn’t foul for 1 day.
Do you think this was why Nate played small ball?
To show the guards how much the Centers are picking up their slack?
I didn't mean to turn you on
Nate's Conference
Wow,
I’m disappointed in Nate. He didn’t really take any accountability in this game. He pretty much said it was all on the players. I admit a few of the players didn’t step up the way they should but his poor substitutions are a big part of guys not playing very hard.
.
Arrgh, says we gotta make shots but he is the one who kept pulling the hot guy.
you know i think this has to end he does tend to pull the guy that is hot out of the game thats absurd
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see jscot and timg56's comments after this game
to see how they would spin this one.
Sarcasm aside, that does sound eerily similar to one of timg56's many tired, fallacious arguments.
If timg56 had been a young lad in Germany during the mid-‘30s, he’d’ve been a strong member of the Hitler Youth.
“YOU AREN’T A GM OUR FÜHRER […] YOU DON”T KNOW ANYTHING."
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 3, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Easy AK, ya silly head
timg56 is a good guy, but I think he has been testier lately and prefers to trust those in charge in these situations.
Yeah, I dipped into almost dry well of using Nazi related insults.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Don't get me wrong
I love referencing Hitler as much as anyone, but calling a specific person a Hitler Youth will only cause trouble.
And timg56 is a good guy, he loves you.
It's an image, albeit a bad one
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Jscot is fairly reasonable when push comes to shove, but timg56 seems like someone who'd've been ...
a British Loyalist throughout the entire American Revolutionary War. I’m sure he’d’ve looked dapper wearing a red coat, though.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Hahah the post game guys say the bigs were out most the game due to Foul Trouble?!?! Due to coach trouble
by natey1 on Nov 3, 2009 9:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yes. Yes. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:12 PM PST up reply actions
Now that the Blazers are expected to win
They don’t know how to handle it.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
I don't really think that's the problem
The problem, to my eyes, is that several players have regressed notably, and personnel has changed, and Nate is still coaching as if he had last year’s team.
I dunno about regression
But Roy is off, Blake playing over 2 better players, and Oden’s foul probs are all killers.
I doubt anyone is truly regressed from last year, if healthy.
Roy looks worse and Batum is hurt.
Everyone else is either improved or exactly the same.
formerly rockingharder
Roy is averaging more than last year
So is Outlaw. I’ll give you Blake and Joel.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 3, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions
Well yes and no
since the goal is to outscore the other team, it is pretty much the only really telling stat. We scored 91 they scored 97.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
But Roy also is about the same in assists and rebounds
The thing that I think we are seeing more of this year than even last is Roy isolation and going one on one. This is bad.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 3, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah...Roy looks hurt
he doesn’t seem to be moving as well
Oh thank god
I really thought I was hallucinating that Blake was that much worse, but others agree? I could have sworn he used to be able to play.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
Rudy has also been forcing a TON of risky/bad passes.
Just saying…
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions
He isn't a strong playmaker
With Roy and Miller, we shouldn’t need Rudy to make plays off the dribble… only off the pass.
It is getting disturbing
how often we seem to just be giving the ball to Rudy on the perimeter and just telling him to create something.
I see it as us trying to throw him a bone
I say, the bone we throw should be Blake’s minutes when Blake is with Miller.
I think I said it several times during the gameday thread (I certainly had opportunities), but I think Blake is looking over his shoulder too much. Miller's presence has destroyed his confidence.
formerly rockingharder
I’m glad that Nate has decided to breastfeed him confidence by starting him at the expense of the ability of the team to win games. Kind of warms the cockles my heart. And by “warms the cockles of my heart,” I mean, “fills my very soul with apoplexy.”
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Apoplexy! Great vocab word.
And yes. It’s ridiculous. I’m not sure why “playing him no matter what” is valid for Blake but not for Oden.
formerly rockingharder
Poor Blake
That meanie Miller destroyed his confidence by being better at basketball.
by Hawthorne Wingo on Nov 3, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
Blake is seriously making me think
he’s been possessed by a pod person
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Now I say there is a difference between regressed
And playing off.
Roy is off. I doubt, at his age, with his skill level and being in good health, that he is actually a worse player.
It is very common-- to the point of being quite predicable--
for a player to regress some after a breakout year like Roy had. Players often get it back the following year though, as I think Roy will.
i thought roy's second year was his break out
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
hey nate, PUT A CENTER IN
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Roy had a bigger PER increase from year 2 to year 3 than from year 1 to year 2
Players almost always improve from year 1 to year 2. When they have another big jump later in their career, its typically followed by a worse year.
Teams regress as well.
I don’t think the Blazers were as good as their record last year. They won 10 of their last 11 to get to 54 wins.
ignacio
The Blazers were as good as their record last year
Indeed, point differential says they were better than your record.
However, you are 100% correct about teams regressing, and we are likely seeing that with the Blazers. 50-52 wins would be anything but a disaster for this team, and I still think we can get there. In the following season, its possible the Blazers could take the next step forward. Management has some tough decisions to make in order to get us there, though.
Outlaw was the only one scoring in the 4th quarter
Give him a break.
No kidding.
If anything, Outlaw has been better this year. Of course, that might just have to do with more playing time.
formerly rockingharder
Maybe that's what he needed all along.
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
My only beef with Travis tonight
was a wide open 3 pointer in the 4th he should have shot but didn’t. Otherwise, #25 was solid. My only complaint is Nate seems to think all of Travis minutes must come at Martell’s expense…
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:20 PM PST up reply actions
He messed up on his rotations, guarded the wrong player, and didn't box out many possessions.
Outlaw was very frustrating, almost made worse by his made baskets because then Nate wouldn’t wanna take him out!
His other parts of his game were hurting us, I think.
You're right
It’s just the offense is so awful at times, #25 and his lack of conscience can be a needed element to the mix. I’m frustrated by how a team with so much offensive talent can’t run a cohesive set
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
Outlaw is a good 4th quarter scorer
There are 4 quarters and there is more to basketball than scoring, though.
I'm sick and tired of people who look at basketball in a one-dimensional manner.
Basketball is more than just high-volume scoring, as defense, rebounding, ball movement, and many other facets are integral part of the battle.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Say it with me.
08-09 coaching with 09-10 players.
It’s my new motto this season.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
if we make it in the 8th seed in the playoffs ill be happy
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Blazers just aren't that good.
Average coach at best. We still look like a deer in headlights as a team. Too many outside shots. Teams have us figured out.
by krisconn on Nov 3, 2009 9:44 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I disagree.
This team is as loaded with talent as any other. We just don’t have a coach who knows how to get the most out of his guys. Too bad.
I can't see him getting fired in the midst of this season
Its very easy for me to see him getting fired after the season.
I'd like to see him moved on sson. It's possible we could scrape the transition phase between coaches just enough
so that when play-offs come around we can put together as respectable showing as a 7th seed.
#88<#23<#25
Guys... we ain't gonna scrape into the playoffs
We’ve lost 3 games to playoff teams while playing AWFUL and losing by a few points. Easily could have been won.
You’re acting like we’re getting blown out by the Kings.
Oh, I'm sure we will make it to the play-offs as a top 6 seed.. I'm merely aware that given Roy's inability to adapt and the general problems that come with coaching changes that our win total would drop noticably.
I’m not too interested in putting up with Nate for another season when he is clearly not the answer. Why are we going to trot out this season with Nate at the helm when we could be preparing for a better future with another coach?
#88<#23<#25
I wish I had your confidence that we will be a top 6 seed…See us more as a 7 or 8 this time around…
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
Utah and New Orleans are struggling worse than we are
I don’t think Houston or Phoenix will finish above us. Same with LAC and OKC.
Its very easy for me to see us finishing behind LA, SA, Den, Dal… but I still think we can grab the 5 seed, which would be a real disappointment given what I thought about us coming into the year.
PHX looks way better than us right now. And when you consider the way we are beating ourselves, I can see us giving up games to teams we should beat down the stretch. Also, we’re 1 on 1 against Houston.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
Phoenix's win tonight was their first win that even approaches being a "quality win"
I need to see more from them. There’s no doubt that Houston and Phoenix are playing better than us right now, but I think they are much closer to their peak than we are.
that's fair.
but I suppose you have more faith in our team reaching their potential than I do is all.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
And to me, that's if we keep playing this poorly
I really, really, really don’t think we’re going to keep playing this poorly— and again, we’ve either won or almost won every game.
I am a homer, but that is the positive to this— we’ve sucked bad for how good we can be, and still almost won. I’m on the 10 game plan.
We gotta limit some minutes for some, and get more minutes for others, and have them all play with Roy, LMA, and Oden as much as possible.
You think we’ll have home court in the first round?
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
I think we'll figure it out this month
Based on the talent level and past history of this group.
I do not think the Mavs or Denver are better than us when playing like we should, and we should return to an appropriate level. For whatever reason we’re making it tougher than it needs to be.
We’re 2 and 3 and playing like crap, with a nice relatively easy month ahead of us and a mostly favorable schedule all season. I like our odds.
My primary concern is the way we fold in the clutch. In my experience, it doesn’t matter if you’re playing a great team or just a good team: if you can’t close games you’re going to continue to stumble on your own feet. I want to see this group of guys get their killer instinct back before I’ll believe any game is going to be “easy.”
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Since that has never been a problem before
And we’ve traditionally been GREAT in the clutch, I worry about that less than I worry about the fact we lost two games at home.
I see the lack of good play at the end of games just the same as the bad play throughout the game… lack of cohesion affects everything. And I think the fixes might be tough for Nate and the coaches, but are clear and easy fixes.
I don't really think its about the 4th quarter
We need to fix the way we are playing in general. If we play better in general, we’ll play better in the 4th.
Clutchness is about having an identity
Something that you fall back on and can execute very well when it matters most. This team has had it, and has been very good in clutch time, in the past couple years. Righ now it emphatically DOES NOT. But we have the players and th eability to get that back, but it won’t come until this team figures out what its identity is.
Meh, nothing is etched in stone until after the All-Star break.
Unless the team is already bad, you have to wait it out and wait for the eventual injuries or trades that shake up the top of the league.
Denver and Portland are prime candidates to disappoint after having such incredible seasons. I figured the Blazers would have trouble integrating Oden on offense, but definitely didn’t expect this whole “let’s start an inferior PG” thing.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions
if we keep playing this poorly, we're a ~7 seed
If we improve significantly, we’re a 5 seed. Getting into the top 4 is going to take some very dramatic improvement.
How do you think the organization will handle another first-round exit?
In that scenario, my bet is about 50-50 that Nate McMillan is retained or Kevin Pritchard makes his own choice for head coach. For McMillan to stick around, Paul Allen will have to vouch for him. Now, if Pritchard gets to make his mark, my money is on Mike Budenholzer as the next head coach.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
If we have a similar series as last year
Yeah, Nate would maybe get fired.
Depends on how it goes down.
I ain’t worried about the playoffs though, since I think we’ll figure it out, and I’d prefer we invested as much time in “figuring it out” over doing a transition period where Blake and Outlaw play more now and slowly get phased out… if that indeed happens.
Rip off the band aid!
Ya want a rookie coach at this stage of our development?
When, if we fired Nate, we’d be looking to take a big jump?
I do not know nearly enough about Budenholzer, but that doesn’t seem like a good idea to me…
it would be risky, but so would hiring a guy like Avery Johnson or JVG.
In a perfect world, I’d want Adelman or SVG or in an even perfecter world Pop, but that ain’t happening. I think its quite possible hiring someone of SA’s bench would be better than hiring a decent coach who flamed out elsewhere.
I dunno who else I'd want
I think we can figure it out with Nate, but we need to get better this year.
I don’t want a retread, that’s for sure. No Doug Collinses.
My thing is, I don’t know how any of us can really know how good an unknown like Budenholzer would be.
I agree, but the time may well come this offseason where we need to make a change
and a Budenholzer or Thibodeau might be the best bet.
Phil Jackson.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Nate McMillan will be canned after this season at the earliest.
Now, regarding coaching changes, I bet New Jersey makes the first mid-season move.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
no way Nate gets fired this season
he definitely has earned the right to coach this team the full season
He hasn't earned anything...
He was blessed with a talented roster put together by an insightful GM. Nate hasn’t done anything to improve this squad. The “improvements” we see each year are the natural progression of talent guys. Not anything that McMillian is having them focus on.
Thank goodness the Jazz and Thunder lost
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
Nate's pride will be his demise...
Never been a Nate fan, and now I remember why. I’m starting to wonder if he had money on this game in Vegas. His coaching “decisions” were so bad, it almost seemed intentional. No?
im listening to 955 right now and they are saying "whats up with the blazers" why they stink?
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
There is a very old maritime tradition,its still in the USN regs[see Caine mutiny]
Where the officers have a meeting and discuss the question"has the Captian gone mad"?
I predicted this slow start, and need to keep reminding myself that it's only 5 games, but I'm starting to get a little worried.
I told myself I wouldn’t start worrying until 20 games in, but our overall game just isn’t very good right now. We are not playing fundamental ball. We lost this game just getting rocked in the paint. They had WAYYYY too many layups and easy put backs.
It's not like we could have a 7 footer in the game
Oh wait we have two of them that rebound and block shots.
Both of which got into early foul trouble.
Our perimeter / pick n’ roll defense continues to be our achilles heel.
by dario argento on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
It wouldn't be so bad...
if we could understand the substitution patterns and the reasoning behind the coaching decisions. To me it just looks like poorly executed basketball.
One-word game recap:
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Nov 3, 2009 9:46 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
I feel that Nate tried to be a little more free with his substitutions today, I now see why he hadn't until now.
The man just hasn’t got it in him. We all saw what happened today, that was astounding.
#88<#23<#25
Well, that wasn't so hot. And to make things worse, I changed my jersey contest prediction in the last hours from a small Hawks win to a small Blazers win after LaMarcus could start.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
I'm glad we have each other to bitch to
no sane person on the outside would understand
Overheard on the way to the locker room
Bayless to Cunningham: We won’t be seeing PT anytime soon. We can’t blow anyone out.
Is that true, or conjecture?
If it’s true, it’s a very, very bad sign for Nate’s regime.
formerly rockingharder
funny as that is man it pisses me off let bayless play!
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
HA! Nad.....
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions
Wouldn't shock me
If that really got said… Sucks too, I’d like to see what Cunningham’s got.
by Oden_Favre_28 on Nov 3, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions
As Blazer fans, have we been
in denial of all of our team’s flaws?
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I have been pointing out that you cant have all the worst defenders on the team
play at the same time for quite a while
by southern oregon on Nov 3, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions
If only we still had Raef…
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
Roy made a couple stunningly bad defensive plays down the stretch
The killer was lazily going under the screen and allowing Johnson a wide open 3 to put them up 4.
This is really on Roy and Aldridge to play with some freaking energy on D.
That drove me NUTS
ROY. You know much better than that. This isn’t the 2nd quarter, trying-to-save-energy time.
yeah...
and the Mikes reminded us that just a couple of nights ago, Kobe decided to shut down Joe Johnson in 4th quarter and did. Not that I thought Roy was on that level…but it just goes to show how far he has to go.
I don't think so
We acknowledged what we needed work on. Just for some reason these problems came out of left field. It’d like the team has out grown Nate McMillan and we need someone else to come in.
by Oden_Favre_28 on Nov 3, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
No, I think most fans here are very knowledgeable.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
We still got lots of good players and the same plusses as last year
Cohesiveness will come to this group.
The problems are obvious— Oden’s foul troubles have been killer, Roy is still off despite some big numbers, and Blake is playing over both Miller and Rudy, while playing poorly to boot.
Outlaw’s lack of focus on both ends of the court, Roy’s lack of focus as well, LMA’s poor play until the 2nd Houston game (so, 2 games, that’s not so bad)…
The problems are fixable and obvious.
Don’t forget that part of the problem with the players is that they’re being asked to play with a seemingly random group of teammates every time they come on the floor. I mean, I know Hubie Brown is yelling at a wall somewhere. Well, I am anyway.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
That too
Nate is making the transition for Oden and Miller and Martell much harder than it needs to be.
My solution: less minutes for Blake and Outlaw, more for Rudy and Martell.
Hope Oden has a few games where he doesn’t get quick fouls.
Problems solved.
by Mortimer on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If only you were the coach.....
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions
MORE FOR MARTELL!!!
3rd best player on the team at this point? Or am I crazy?
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions
He's brought energy and defense every night
I’d like him to get more shots to reward him.
I know Outlaw has more of a 4th quarter history, but I’ve always preferred Martell over him.
What’s amazing is he’s making his own opportunities at this point, something that no one else is really doing. By that I mean, everyone is clamoring for more touches, but Martell is just going out and taking them.
Bottom line: He doesn’t need to be the focus of a set to be effective. Who else on the Blazers can we say that about right now?
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
I would agree if not for the aforementioned concerns with his loosey-goosey grip on the ball.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think that hurts us all that much
Especially considering his totally dominant rebounding on both ends.
Batum
And losing him seems to have thrown off Nate’s rotation/units plans more than people initially admitted. Now it’s oh do I ride Martell, or go with Travisness as usual, what about Rudy I wanted him to close out more, oh I’m lost…
Joel and Blake also were guys who could score without plays being called for them on kickouts or being left wide open, but that doesn’t work so well this season anymore. At least tonight Joel was 100% again.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
I think in some ways Martell has been better than Batum
Unless Batum really improved a level.
If Batum is healthy, and with Nate sticking with Blake and needing to find Rudy minutes somewhere, I could see Martell getting the shaft. Especially since Nate is sticking with Outlaw as well…
I believe losing Batum hurts us, but actually made the rotations easier.
The current rotation problems exist because of Oden and Joel’s constant foul trouble and, for whatever reason, playing Blake and Outlaw so much.
Nate is making the foul troubles worse
NEITHER CENTER FOULED OUT. We could have gotten at least a couple more minutes, perhaps all 12 more minutes of quality D and rebounding up front. But we’ll never know. Because of Nate.
by jksnake99 on Nov 3, 2009 10:00 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I agree with Joel tonight
His defense and rebounding was needed.
But the handling of Oden’s foul problems is standard, for better or worse.
I know Joel can’t handle a pass and doesn’t need to be guarded, but when ya need a stop and a rebound, you play Joel over smallball with Outlaw.
Absolutely 100% right on
I could not agree more. I’m so tired of seeing the handling of our centers with kid gloves dating back to last year.
"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 4, 2009 8:31 AM PST up reply actions
do they have any postgame comments from anyone
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
On the radio they do.
Generic answers. Blake said that the Hawks just came out agressive and hit shots. Nate said that the team needed to play a full 48 min, the Hawks hit more shots, and out scrapped us.
My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.
thanks im in florida cant listen to the postagame
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 9:58 PM PST up reply actions
that was true
the Hawks did outscrap the Blazers.
Brandon was terrible tonight.
Tried to play 1 on 5 all game long. Not his finest hour. If he was his normal self I think we win that one. Wonder what’s up with him … hasn’t seemed like last year’s Brandon so far …
"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez
I'd agree....
though I didn’t see the Houston away game where he scored 42
We could get embarrassed Friday on national tv...
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
I actually think we are gonna beat them soundly on friday. I think Nate is gonna get all Sarge on them and get people pissed.
Also, Lamarcus seems to go off on SA.
by dario argento on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
We need that game BAD
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
Ug.
Not a fun game to watch.
Like everyone, I was very confused and frustrated with line-up and rotation decisions.
Also frustrating was Roy and Miller’s lack of hustle. Lots of slow jogging out there today. That gets on my nerves.
Oden’s inability to stay out of foul trouble. It’s getting boring… What makes it worse is how McMillan handles foul trouble.
I'm a big Oden.homer
But it’s on Oden to handle the fouls better.
I can’t name a coach who doesn’t limit and save Oden in those situations.
Oden needs to be taught where to have his arms at all times, he's sloppy at the moment. A good big-man coach would have this addressed by now.
Nate didn’t have an excuse in the first place.
#88<#23<#25
For all the work Bayno put in with Oden this summer, its disappointing he wasn't able to improve this with Oden.
It might be time to get a new big man coach. Or Oden might just not respond well to coaching. Who knows.
BRING IN OSTERTAG!
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
I'm really not sure, he was willing to put in the time in the first place.
Everyone responds well to teaching, if they have the right teacher, for them.
#88<#23<#25
Fouls or not,
it’s really disturbing how we seem completely unable to play effectively any more without Oden in the game. It’s baffling to me.
its a tough one
Right now, Oden has no ability to exploit smaller, quicker defenders like Smith and Horford. Do you go to him to practice it or do you just send him to the O-boards? Its a problem.
He’s still doing enough on D and the boards that we’re better with him in, in my opinion. But its a difficult situation.
Jeez, jake
he fouled a lot tonight, but he was still extremely effective while he was in. Just because he’s not barreling through Horford and Smith every time he touches the ball doesn’t mean he’s not doing anything. 4-6 is a start. He needs to get a lot better, no doubt, but he was never going to come out of the chute scoring 25+.
Through the first 6 games of his “breakout” third year Bynum was averaging a whopping 9.7 points.
That's the Oden Conundrum
Been actually very damn effective every game this season, but keeps playing limited minutes.
He is clearly improved and clearly we’re better with him.
The fouls, my lord the fouls… can’t wait till it’s no more. Will change EVERYTHING.
His stats tonight don't look bad, but not exactly what you want out of a starting center dominating games
A number of second tier centers can put up those numbers, maybe not with that efficiency, but easy with those totals.
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8 and 9 in 15 minutes
That’s really good, especially while still developing.
When he gets the fouls under control, it will change EVERYTHING.
At least my Ducks won.
Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw, Webster, Bayless, Blake, Miller, Joel... Holy crap!
by axel360 on Nov 3, 2009 9:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
double rec
"I just sort of know that around the water cooler they talk of reality tv stars, and I strictly drink coffee." -- EvilKaramazov
by BlazersOrBust on Nov 4, 2009 8:33 AM PST up reply actions
I saw too many guys passing up good looks and the team ending up with forced shots late in the clock.
That tells me that guys are looking over their should waiting for the hook.
I don’t buy a lot of the Nate criticism, but I do buy that he’s a confidence killer for players.
A set rotation might be better
But of course, if we lose, then people complain that the rotation is too rigid.
Blazer broadcasting just stinks
Cut from Brandon so we can listen to Bob Akamian. GAH!!!
I'm so keyed up I might have to watch "Talkin ball"
Wait, if Laura Green is on there again I don’t think I could stand it.
Why does Roy go UNDER a screen ad give Joe Johnson 10 FEET.....
to shoot a dagger 3???
BIG time choke by ROY on D.
Trout absolutely FROZE on a wide open trey… UNREAL…. this loss hurt because it is kind of a wake up call that this team may just not be as good as we hoped…
that's what I'm hoping for.
this was a very winnable game and we just gave it away due to lack of execution. hopefully it will be a wake-up call.
by dario argento on Nov 3, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
not an exuse wake up call dont work anymore these games will hurt us in the end
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
You are so right
It’s not too early too think about tie-brekaers. We are already losing the one to Denver. Just like we lost it to them last year.
The strategy for substitution tonight was brought to you by .... The Magic Eight Ball.
“Should I put Joel or Greg back in the game?”
shake shake shake
“Answer is a bit hazey.”
“Oh well, I think my soft PF and my PF wannabe can get rebounds just fine anyway.”
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
While I get your point, LMA did not play soft tonight. He was getting rebounds and going to
the floor for loose balls. Give him his due.
While he did a good job...
No rational person could look at that lineup and think that the Blazers had an advantage there. LaMarcus doesn’t usually hit the boards hard when he is moved to the center position. He did better tonight than usual, but that’s just not really his style.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Oh and by saying "no rational person" I wasn't meaning that you were trying to make that point.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
What's frustrating about this game is how poorly the Hawks played.
The Hawks didn’t play a particularly good game against us. They made so many mistakes and took bad shots. Their defense looked especially porous, but the Blazers offense was stagnant and slow. Most of our points came from isolations or broken plays.
On a night where the Hawks played poorly, the Blazers managed to play worse on both sides of the court.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
The Hawks played well down the stretch
They apparently had a game plan at the end.
I give them credit for capitalizing on the Blazers turnovers.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
player movement and passing the ball
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 3, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
blazers are doomed
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
by Nad on Nov 3, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Lakers didn't exactly beat OKC in convincing fashion either, but at least they did, too
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Dirk was awesome in the fourth tonight
27 points
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 3, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
29
Dirk’s 4th Quarter
FG FG3 FT REB AST BLK STL TO PTS
7-8 1-2 14-14 5 2 1 1 0 29
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28
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Whatever, best 4th quarter of a player this season so far
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No, it was 29
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions
it sure looks like the top 4, in no particular order
is LA, SA, Dal and Den. Those 4 look head and shoulders above the rest of the West right now.
I'm loving the strong play by the Dallas Mavericks, as I'll ride that dark horse to championship glory.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Don't really want to get into the Nate bashing game... but
I have to ask… Do you really think than any other NBA coach can screw up this deep of a roster?
Coaching is easier when you've got no options
by levelhed on Nov 3, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes a thousand times. Doesn’t Theus still coach in this league?
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, Timberwolves
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Who would be the worst current head coach? My vote would be Laurence Frank, but I’m biased because I have the YES network.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I might have to go with a coaching legend who has just completely jumped the shark
Don Nelson.
Mike Dunleavy would be another candidate.
Nelly or Vinny Del Negro.
I mean, Vinny kind of gets a pass because he’s just inexperienced, so his stupidity is kind of part of a learning curve. But, Nelson has been around the NBA for decades, and he’s just a pathetic slouch.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
Lawrence Frank is screwed because of the roster he's been handed, since he's ...
an average coach on the whole. Don Nelson is the worst head coach currently in the NBA, though, and it’s not even close to who’s second worst. Vinny Del Negro is bad, too, and either Doug Collins or Phil D. Johnson would’ve been better fits than him. At least Del Negro has veteran Bernie Bickerstaff and Chicago lifer Pete Myers around to aid him in the learning process, for otherwise it’d be an even worse experience.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Doug Collins would have been a trainwreck for the Bulls.
And I don’t know what Bernie Bickerstaff does besides collect a paycheck.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
And Mo Cheeks with OKC teaching Westbrook to turn it over
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Ooo…good one.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 3, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
Scott Skiles took a pretty similar situation and ran it into the ground as well.
All coaches suck until they don’t.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions
Skiles is much different from Nate.
Players basically started to hate Skiles for his insufferable style of coaching. Nate is just lost in how to optimized the talent of his players.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
What I don't understand is..
Nate SEEMS like he is the perfect fit for a players coach… But he tinkers way too much… Some feel he is too hands on, some don’t.. I know it’s not all his fault.. Oden staying out of foul trouble is so crucial to this team and his ability to floor an effective big unit in close games… We better have a 14 point lead minimum if he has to sit Oden with foul trouble and run with Pryz/LMA.. Outlaw @ the 4 is such a wild card..
Rudy is either in pain or very unhappy. He didn't look like a guy who wanted to be there
watching steve blake...
steal 6 of your minutes playing SG will do that to you.
by Evanescent on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
That's kind of my thought. I'd like to see Rudy spreading the floor for Roy instead of Blake.
And the perimeter defense has been so bad, I’d even try Bayless in spots. I’m just not loving Steve Blake right now.
A double minded organization is unstable in all of it's ways
Just a feeling, but after signing Miller with our cap space, a veteran true PG, and then spending training camp and preseason acting like we never signed him, like nothing had changed… It feels like this team is caught in an identity crisis between being who we were last year and being something else… and no one, not Nate, not Roy, not Blake, can figure out which is which… At some point we have to decide what it is, or this whole crazy thing is going to keep being this wierd, herky jerky, out of sync, frustrating thing. We can either decide to be who we were last year, and, honestly, trade Miller and be done with the whole thing, or bench Blake and start with the new. I am not saying this is all Blake’s fault, at all—but Roy and Nate’s as well. Allowing Roy to say he is more comfortable with Blake, to the point of keeping our FA acquisition on the bench, is a big part of why we are so out of sync.
And this is happening at multiple positions—is Travis still our primary “scorer” off the bench, so that we sit our starting SF even when he is playing well in order to get his scoring, and go small—like last year? Do Greg and Joel split time evenly depending on fouls—liek last year?
It seems liek the whole team and organization got to a point of success last year, and they can’t bring themselves to CHANGE. They are trying to get better, even adding new players, but also trying to stay THE SAME. Nate’s rotations are part of the problem but ALSO a symptom of th eunderlying problem.
We need to just embrace the change. Miller needs to start, blake can come off th ebench. Travis can still be a scorer off the bench, but he should no longer be THE guy we try to throw in there to make up scoring when the rest of the team is struggling—instead it should be Rudy and Miller in there as well as keepign in Martell, whose biggest strength could be his ability to be that scorer that can from time to time pick up the scoring slack. And Greg needs to not only start but be preferred to Joel—that is, Joel should come in for stretches while Greg struggles with fouls, but they should not end up splitting time. Greg needs to learn to play with fouls. If any other very good center in the league gets 3 fouls, he does NOT sit until his backup racks up 3 as well—he sits for a few minutes or to finish the first half. in the second half, he plays, whether or not you have a backup with a few more fouls to take.
It’s not all on Nate, or Blake, or Miller, or Roy—but they are the major contributing parties to this transition being so rough.
And as for Blake vs Miller with Roy: Roy, you are the only player besides Lebron James in the past decade to go to 2 all star games in your first three years. I think you’ll be just fine playing alongside Miller.
by TimG on Nov 3, 2009 10:05 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Yes we can!
Si su puede! You said it very well.
I agree with you.
But I do think most of the blame goes on Nate. He has kept the same scheme from last year and has refused to embrace the strengths of Miller. Nate is now asking Miller to play exactly like Blake by bringing the ball up and passing it to the wing.
There is a lack of identity on the team because the team is trying to play as if it was still last year. Just like you said. Most of these problems stem from Nate. Roy and Oden being complicit in their own ways.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Pretty much agree
But still, how much of Nate coaching that way is from what Roy said? Maybe the organization is telling him to do what Roy wants, etc. I mean, Nate has been making me go absolutely crazy the past couple of months, dont get me wrong, But I still believe he’s a good coach. I think it goes beyond him, I think it’s a groupthink thing, involving Nate and Brandon, probably some others on the team as well as Pritchard and th erest of the organization.
Greg's problem is more basic
It doesn’t seem he or the coaching staff treats the fouling issue like the potential career ending problem that it has become.
Potential Career ending?
Hyperbole much? It was bad last year, it’s still rough 5 games into the season. Career ending, though, let’s be honest. Even with the fouls, he’s still one of our most effective players in his time on the floor.
Let's put it this way.
Greg’s foul rate is unprecedented. Name one successful center who has had the cluster foul problems that he has whose name isn’t John “Hot Plate” Williams.
Yao had 4.63 fouls per 48 minutes in 2003 (rookie year) and it went UP through 2003
Greg’s was over 7 last year, I believe, and I’m sure it’s just as high now.
Greg's was 6.5/36 minutes last year
This year its 6.9/36 minutes, and that’s before his 5 fouls in 15 minutes tonight. This is a huge, huge, huge problem. Potentially a crippling problem for this incarnation of the Blazers if not addressed soon. Its too early to say it can’t or won’t be addressed, but it is that critical of a situation.
Maybe not as successful as you'd hope
But Joel has had worse foul problems in previous years than Oden had last year.
Oden's obviously an effective player when he's in
that’s more than you can say for a lot of NBA players. There’s a big difference between future multiple all-star and out of the league.
I agree.
I think a good portion of it can be traced back to Roy’s opinion on his and Miller’s ability to mesh. Roy doesn’t think he can work well without the ball. What rising super star in the NBA does? All of them though have to at one point or another realize they can’t be the only option, they can’t control the game for the entire 48 minutes. Roy’s growth curve went flat when he decided his comfort zone was more important than the team’s needs.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
How do you figure that Blake or Miller
are major contributing parties? They are the victims of this unwelcome signing.
The two identity thing has been going on for longer than this off season. KP keeps throwing uptempo creative ballhandlers at Nate and he doesn’t like it. Or if Nate does like what Miller can do, he doesn’’t have enough influence over the giant ego on the team, Brandon Roy.
Nope. It’s on Nate, Roy and KP.
Blazers are going to have to rebound better than they have all season against San Antonio
that means Oden is going to have to stay out of foul trouble. If those things happen, we got a good shot at winning.
Just seems like a huge IF
I really like LMA…. he is a great player but I just WISH he had a dominant low post game… It is an element that is sorely missing from this team.. Until Oden refines his post moves and can become a consistent 12 point guy… It is going to be bie by the shooting sword all season again…
Its important we not wait too long to fire Nate or make some other drastic move
Not right now, but if things aren’t fixed by midseason, something needs to happen.
We must learn the lessons of the Baby Bulls and the CP3 Hornets.
The Bulls and Hornets gave up on their coaches.
I have yet to see the Blazers give up on Nate.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
That's a good point.
So, as much as I badly want Nate McMillan to ultimately lose his job, it should happen after this season.
As a mid-season move, I can’t see much good coming out of firing McMillan in such a sudden fashion. For starters, let’s face it that this team won’t win it all this season; thus, I’m all for riding it out with the coaching staff and focusing more on making personnel moves by tweaking the roster through trades.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Trade for Chris Paul
Chemistry is the biggest problem for Portland right now. We have too many guys of equal talent and ability. We have no identity or clue about what kind of team we are. Are we a 1/2 court offense that gets the ball to the big guys (Lamarcus & Greg) or are we a fast break team that likes to push the other team up and down the court. Or are we a jump shooting team..????
We need to make a trade that would put us over the top in the West. Trade Miller/Blake/Outlaw and any number of draft picks for Chris Paul. Paul is not happy playing in New Orleans and would love to come to Portland. Get on the phone KP! Don’t let the season slip away before you make the only trade needed.
by Endless Products.org on Nov 3, 2009 10:12 PM PST reply actions
I would have laughed at this post a month ago.
But now….if any team is going to have a Pau Gasol style fire sale, it’s N.O. Sooner or later, there is going to be a Chris Paul musical chair event.
ONLY way I pull the tirgger
is if Pritch can pull off a dodgy package like Kupchek did for the Gasol trade…. there are still some untouchables in Portland… Bayless? YES… Outlaw Yes… I wouldnt let them dump Batum or Martell though honestly… we are thin at the 3 as it is… And they may even ask for Rudy
Some lucky team is going peel him off of N.O. sooner or later
I know it sounds ridiculous. But that team is going broke and it’s going into the tank and it’s owner is a complete idiot. Some lucky pirahna will get him. Maybe it won’t happen until the lockout.
Think he means
Bayless, Trout, Rudy ok to be traded
Batum, Martell not.
If you are serious about getting Paul (and you shouldn’t be) then you have to give up one of the big three plus two good role players.
They still won’t go for it but that is the minimum
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
For a team going broke...
an expiring like Outlaw would be great right? maybe Outlaw, Blake, Bayless for CP3 … or CP3 and Armstrong for Pryz,Outlaw and Bayless/Blake could work
So we play Howard and Cunningham?
I’d still do it but in reality CP3 ain’t ever gonna be a Blazer.
Love.
Maybe Armstrong and Cunningham/Pendergraph?
just speculating… I really dont feel the urgent need for a player like CP3… I still am seething we didnt draft Dejuan Blair
They are not going broke, and even if the owner wanted to sell that is much easier to do with a figurehead
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Sorry
I was saying, Bayless and Outlaw + picks for CO3 would be ideal.. Trout is expiring no? So yea, that would be idel… I wouldnt like to see Marty Blazer or Batum shipped.. But it is CP3…
Okay, I'm going to risk looking stupid.
CP3 is the best point guard in the NBA, has the potential to be the best PG of all time. Think about it for a little while.
#88<#23<#25
That's why we would like him on our team!
I don’t get why you guys don’t understand…
I know Chris Paul is small and has a wingspan similar to Bayless, but he’s actually really good. I have him as the 5th best PG in the NBA right now, behind Deron, Devin, Blake, and Rondo.
You might be able to get CP3..... for Brandon Roy....and then maybe some more.
CP3 is having the greatest career ( so far ) a point guard has EVER had. Role players will not get him.
by dario argento on Nov 3, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Get on the phone KP! Don’t let the season slip away before you make the only trade needed.
click..that’s the sound KP just heard when he pitched that trade idea
Yeah, um, nice talking to you Kevin, call again when Roy is in the package, or Oden and LaMarcus.
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I think we should trade Miller for CP3
and Outlaw for LeBron
and Joel for Dwight Howard
and Roy for an in-prime Michael Jordan.
That should help the team.
by jksnake99 on Nov 3, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That wouldn't fit right. Better sign an in-prime BJ Armstrong to space the floor.
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
I'd take Craig Hodges if he's still alive.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Nope, it's John Paxson our bust.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Wow, my grammar has hit a new low in recent days. That's what i get for typing too fast.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I wonder if KP gets calls like this
Hi, this is Gar Forman, I’m in a meeting with Mr. Reinsdorf, you know we just thought we could really use a top SG to team up with Rose. Not sure we can get Wade in free agency, you know. How about Kirk Hinrich, John Salmons, and Jannero Pargo? We would throw in any number of draft picks to sweeten the deal. No? How about we put in Thomas instead of Salmons, you could really use a backup PF I heard.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
He'd crap out. Everyone knows it was Tyson Chandler that propped up Paul's stats. ;)
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Not according to Roy I heard :)
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the guy we should've made a run for was Rondo
but that’s over now…so I guess all go back to pining over Devin Harris and CP3
Totally unrealistic.
Reinsdorf would never be a part of any trade talks until the words “luxury tax” came up. Until then, he’s probably watching the 2005 World Series on repeat while rolling around in his Bulls profits (leaders in attendance for the decade!)
The 2009 White Sox....like a 40 degree day.
by Ozzie Montana on Nov 3, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions
If Jerry Reinsdorf values his lone World Series ahead of all those NBA Championships ...
combined, then that’s his business. Crazy, sure, but it’s still his business nonetheless.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Yes, we need to trade for CP3
But I’m concerned about his ability to play alongside Brandon—he needs the ball too much. If we do get him, I think we should bring him off the bench for a while, and kepp Blake starting.
I'm getting frustrated with this Chirs Paul crap. It's idiocy at its worst.
Chris Paul isn’t going anywhere, okay. Even if George Shinn decides to put the New Orleans Hornets up for sale, he’ll need Paul on the roster as a selling point for potential buyers.
Paul, without a doubt, is one of the most marketable players in the NBA today; therefore, his value isn’t only as an on-court asset, but aslo as an off-court cash cow.
The sooner everybody finally wraps their minds around this pretty basic fact, the sooner we can stop having these inane discussion.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 3, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't stop... believin'...
Hold onto that feeeeling, whoa oh…
Street lights, Chris Paul
Whoa OHHHHH.
by Mortimer on Nov 3, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I could see that happening with Tony Parker after Duncan breaks a leg, but most high-level point guards won't be traded until after their prime now
We were unlucky in the Rose lotto, and too stupid to take Williams or Paul. And that’s all she wrote. Now we have to make do with guys that are just below star level (I would include guys like Sessions or Conley there who could have been had).
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Unlucky is a little strong
With our 1% shot or whatever it was at Rose.
I dont get why ....
People dont realize Nate SHOULD be winning convincingly with this team… He has more than enough to work with…
while Nate is well deserving of blame in the early part of the year, let's also realize our talent is overrated
With Roy struggling out of the game, there’s not a single player we can fully count on right now.
We may be overrated
but not overrated to the point where we need to bring in CP3, thats all I am saying.. this team is not that distraught.
We're a talented team, to be sure
Nate has enough to work with that we shouldn’t be stumbling as badly as we are.
Exactly, Portland doesn't have the best collection of talent in the NBA.
Based on pure collection of talent, Boston, Orlando, San Antonio, and Los Angeles are all surely ahead of Portland. Cleveland gets the nod just because LeBron James is in a league of his own, while Dallas and Denver have such well-balanced rosters its hard not to nudge those teams past Portland on this list.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I cried a little inside earlier when watching them.
Dwight Howard, the best centre in the league, sat down for a while. Who followed?
Marcin Gortat.
#88<#23<#25
If Oden wasn't having such awful foul probs
We’d be more than happy with our center rotation as well.
But, since I gotta say “if”, we don’t get to be happy with it.
For some reason, it's popped up like mad recently. I really don't get it, either.
As much as I rag on homerism, I understand it and accept it as a flaw in people’s psyche. Heck, I’m a homer for the Seattle Seahawks, Seattle Mariners, and to a lesser extent the Washington Huskies. I even have my favorite players in all sports, too, which is homeristic in a way.
This Chris Paul junk, however, makes no rational sense — or even justifiably irrational sense — in any way, shape, or form. You’d think that folks would have the capacity to view things from George Shinn’s perspective, but I guess they just can’t fathom looking at things from an outside viewpoint.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
The point isn't "let's get Chris Paul"
It’s this: sometimes, owners and teams make mistakes. Once in while, they make really big Pau Gasol sized mistakes.
Like those kids in the movie Superbad, you want to be in position to take advantage of those mistakes.
Memphis is pretty happy with Marc Gasol's play at the moment, and with their ability to land Mayo and Thabeet
I really wish the Blazers had taken Gasol
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by Norsktroll on Nov 3, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
From a marketability standpoint, Chris Paul is on a much, much higher level than Pau Gasol.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I dunno...
…last time I went to Spain, I saw Gasol on a lot more billboards. I don’t even think they know who Chris paul is!
Gasol is a lot bigger star, and I think we should trade for Gasol, and then trade Gasol for Chris Paul so that the Hornettes finally have a marketable star.
And contrary to popular belief
George Shinn doesn’t have a history of making boneheaded moves a la Chris Wallace. He may not like losing a ton of money on the Hornets, but you can’t exactly point to awful moves that’s caused him to make.
He signed Peja and James Posey
He’s just working his way up to trading Chris Paul to a conference rival!!
I'd blame signing Peja Stojakovic, Morris Peterson, and James Posey on Jeff Bower.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
how about steve blake
for jordan farmar
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
21 three point attempts and 16 free throws
recipe for disaster
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
Maybe we can make a midseason trade
for Phil Jackson? We’ll throw in Outlaw and Nate.
Two worst hated Blazers for one of our most hated rivals.
Already doing that for the ducks
Since the Boise St game. So far it is working.
Also, was in Vegas this summer, made my first bet ever on sports: for Oregon to win the Pac-10. I think it was good luck.
My other bet? Portland to win the West Conf. At least that bet looks better than the Oregon one did at first.
Don’t stop believin!!!!!
by TimG on Nov 3, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Unless you want to see how to kick a 10 point advantage away....
..by playing a 3-guard lineup of Blake, Miller, and Roy.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Nate McMillan periodically played Ray Allen, Antonio Daniels, and Luke Ridnour together ...
while head coach in Seattle. Finally, Portland is beginning to learn that McMillan is an average coach — which I’ve said all along — so it’s time for y’all to deal with it.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
The first quarter was nice
But the second quarter was a replay of the third and fourth.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 3, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
nope
i start noticing that roy is begining to chuck alot of 3s lately
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
Lazy?
Selfish?
Everyone is out of sync recently but it seems Brandons philosophy of saving his body in the preseason by not driving has carried over to the real season. That is a problem
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
please join me in flagging Aaron, Dario and Oden Favre 28's posts as spam
We really don’t need another game recap other than Dave’s, an official rant thread other than this one or whatever Oden Favre 28’s post is.
Then you better hope Rip City Mike starts his own blog soon :)
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
4 fanposts within 2 days of joining is pretty impressive......
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
Well, TECHNICALLY we ain't sposed to duplicate posts
I ain’t read any of them, but if they duplicate previous posts, that is annoying…
Fun statistic about Greg's fouls
He is generating 10.8 fouls per 48 minutes. The highest in NBA history for a single season (for players with 24+ minutes X 82 games) is Darryl Dawkins in 1983 with 8.7.
If we relax the minutes played to 24 X 72 game, the winner is...
good ol Steve Johnson in his rookie year with Kansas City at 10.3, but that is an extreme outlier. Kevin Kunnert and Stanley Roberts and Tree Rollings all have spots, with 8-somethings in their worst years. Alton Lister shows up with several of his stellar years. Let’s hope Alton Lister isn’t Greg’s ceiling.
this is a massive concern.
I do not think its a stretch to say it has the potential to cripple this Blazers team’s chances of any deep playoff runs. There is time to fix it, but its a huge issue.
The Blazers should put together a DVD with ticky tacky fouls, like for an All-Star berth with the Roy-pods, and send it to the league and all other teams
“This is a foul. This is not.”
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
I sometimes think refs have forgotten how a center posting up looks like
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
All the big centers are over there now
Shaq, Howard…
If Oden wasn’t having insane foul trouble he’d be averaging an easy double double and would be an allstar. And we’d be doing better.
Barkley bumping back a player with his big behind would probably be a foul now on every second try
Olajuwon vs. Ewing vs. Malone vs. Shaq etc. were bruising battles with a ton of grabbing, spinning, shuffling, bumping, …
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
...and it still wouldn't be soon enough.
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Nov 4, 2009 5:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would just love to see a consistent rotation
and a substitution pattern dictated by performance not by the clock in order to keep everyone happy. Is that really such a controversial thing?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
I'd settle for a sub strategy that doesn't arbitrarily
switch starters at halftime, but I’m easy to please.
I'm pretty sure if there's a book on overcoaching
Nate’s written it, with a foreword by Avery Johnson.
They scary part is how many guys on the team
Would rather have a new coach or go somewhere else?,Rudy and Bayless come to mind
by southern oregon on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Both under contract 3 more years
Rudy SHOULD be playing more, but as long as the leaders are happy, Nate is fine with the players.
I totally agree Rudy should be playing more, but I wouldn’t be surprised if his minutes are limited due to his back. The problem didn’t just go away…
What I'm seeing
Is that there is no consistent pattern of who comes in. That hierarchy should be consistent.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Nate is still trying things out
We couldn’t really do it during pre-season, so he’s learning as we are.
Doesn’t mean I agree with playing Blake and Outlaw so much, but we’d be trying things out AND winning if Roy was playing like Roy, and Oden wasn’t a foul machine. Those affects things so deeply…
there is a lack of defense. It’s a pattern with McMillan teams. I see no reason to settle with a coach that has never had a good defensive team.
free bayless
Come on, Cab
he was the team USA defensive SPECIALIST, don’t you know anything?
I know you're being sarcastic, but I hate that argument with a passion.
International ball is hugely different than the NBA style of play, as is the insane amount of talent possessed on that Redeem Team squad.
Against international competition, a staple of various zones, occasional trapping, quick help defense inside and outside, and clogging the passing lanes is what gets the job done. Yet, when it comes to the NBA, lockdown man-to-man defense — both on the perimeter and the interior — as well as being able to defend the pick-and-roll effectively is what wins games.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
That is worrisome as well
Our defense hasn’t seemed that bad though, even with the obvious miscues and lack of focus.
I missed that 2nd Houston game, though.
Our offense hasn’t been anywhere close to what it was last year, and with Roy being off, everyone is off.
We’ll never play good defense with our small ball lineup though. Never. If the other team struggles, its through dumb luck, not our defense.
Houston game: (ahem)
Pick and roll, SWITCH, drive to basket, layup/foul on Oden.
Houston defensive rebound, push ball up court, wide open three point shooter, we take the ball out of net.
Rinse and repeat.
free bayless
Nate has NEVER coached a good defensive team. The freaking Bucks were good defensively, and they were playing Charlie V big minutes.
free bayless
I know he's never coached a good one
But in the 4 games I’ve watched (that Houston one sounded awful defensively) we’ve been not that bad.
Our offense was what won us games last year, and without it, we’ve been mediocre.
And, gasp, Luke Ridnour!
Lest we forget Michael Redd, who’s no lockdown defender by any means.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
But the Bucks also sucked at free throw defense
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Yeah, with all the complaints about the defense
it’s shocking how bad we’ve been offensively. You can count the number of good shots we got through good offensive sets tonight on two hands. I can’t say I’m confident in LA nailing spinning turnaround 18 footers that often.
I agree with Great Oden's Raven
The guards aren’t using the picks correctly.
Rub your man off the pick!
The bigs get so used to NOT being used for an actual screen that they don’t even really do a screen, or get ready to slip the screen or roll/pop too early…
let’s not forget that LMA’s best game ever was the one game that Nate didn’t coach… the game that we ran things through the post.
free bayless
And it is a shame because....
Greg Odens lateral quickness is impressive and he can be such a weapon on a pick and pop
I can understand that,
but to tinker with the lineup as extensively as he is just leaves everyone seemingly confused on what their roles are.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
if Roy had just an average 2nd half he would have bailed out Nate but
Like a lot of people I am baffeled and confused by Nate’s coaching,how do you think the players feel?
by southern oregon on Nov 3, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
The other half is that I'm not saying the performance of the subs, but the starters.
If Oden is playing well, don’t pull him out at the six minute mark just because that’s what you planned to do before the game started.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
Who was last year always clamoring for Jennings?
He puts up the numbers you can put up if you are allowed to take 25+ shots as a rookie guard. I got him in one of the ESPN leagues :)
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
As11osu was the original Nate McMillan hater, too. Yet, unlike me, he loved Larry Brown.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
It was as11osu who loved Brandon Jennings.
I’ll never forget arguing the merits of Kirk Hinrich with him.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Yeah, that and crap about him being injury prone and whatnot.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I dunno
before this last game he was shooting over 50%. The guy’s legit. Watching that game today he should have had about 5 more assists if not for playing alongside Roko Ukic and Carlos Delfino.
I was a huge Jennings proponent before the draft, personally.
Mayo started off gangbusters too, last year
He’s so slight of body and is still an unknown, I am not a Jennings expert or have much of an opinion one way or another, but he wouldn’t be the first quick guard to start out good and fade.
Mayo's always been a jumpshooter
he was just hot in November. He also never put up anything near a triple double like Jennings did in the opener.
I also assume he will be better contained once teams have scouted him a bit more
He still can’t pace himself, always go-go-go. But he has learned better fundamental skills in Italy, and on a team that isn’t much fun otherwise it’s nice that the coach lets him run things his way.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
I think a large part of it is coaching from higher up. E.g.
McMillans atrocious abuse of substitutions.
But Bayno ought to have spent less time with the pads and more time looking at video and addressing on-court behavioural patterns.
#88<#23<#25
Can't really talk about preseason fouls
Best players didn’t play and there was also the replacement refs calling it different
I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.
by SabasforThree on Nov 3, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
I can't blame Bill Bayno.
Although it’d be cool to have Clifford Ray here teaching him defense and Patrick Ewing here teaching him offense, the main thing Greg Oden needs is a head coach who’ll utilize him on offense. That, unfortunately, won’t be Nate McMillan.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Read the excerpts from the Simmons book about Ewing
…and I think you’ll agree he’s not the guy we want. Ewing’s irony-free quotes about his strip club experiences are pretty darn entertaining, however.
I already know...
I never liked Ewings game…. settled for the turn around all day… Olajuwon ….. much better
Again, I implore people to read my comment in its entirety.
I used the qualifier “[a]lthough” to start my sentence, with my main point being that “Greg Oden needs […] a head coach who’ll utilize him on offense.”
Let me try this again, okay.
Yeah, Clifford Ray and Patrick Ewing would be cool assistant coaches for the big guy; however, Jeff Van Gundy as a head coach here is what should be focused on by the organization.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Of course
I’m just looking for an excuse to tell people about the Ewing quote.
He’s the kind of guy who’s visible in the community. If by “community” it means you’re up at 4am and hanging out with the private “community” at the Acropolis.
Well, I must say I'd also live a perverse night life if I had that kind of fame and fortune.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I wrote it'd be "cool," but not the answer.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Just like KP hasn't been around long enough to have a pattern of behavior as a front office exec
Nate has never had a low post presence UNTIL he got Oden.
He may figure it out.
If he bumbled other big men
I’d worry more.
The fact his teams have been poor defensively, with last year being his best defensive team ever, is more telling to me than the lack of big men involvement in his offense when he hasn’t ever had a big like Oden.
Nate KILLED Danny Fortson's career
just murdered it.
I wish DeJuan Blair was here, as he's the sane version of Danny Fortson.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I dont care what the "IN KP WE TRUST" sector says....
Pritch dropped he ball on passing up Blair
by Bump22 on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hard to judge in the first year or know what factors went into that decision
But nearly every other team passed.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
Considering the dude we drafted is on the bench anyway..
and most likely will see no time as it is… still stings
You can't take the insane out of Danny Fortson
That’s like saying someone is a personable MJ.
I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.
by SabasforThree on Nov 3, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
To quote Sherman Alexie, at one point the Sonics at 21 feet of worthless big men :)
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
VERY true
Now I could see the argument being made that Oden is stuck with the offense he was forced to go to to start his career, since he clearly doesn’t involve Oden enough…
But it’s also Oden’s fault for not being able to stay on the floor. That is so gosh damn important…
I'm sure this statement is wrong, but here's the way it looks to me
I just don’t think the coaching staff, as a group, treats this problem like the crisis that it is. I mean, he just keeps doing the same stuff, and it’s like no one is telling him to err on the side of caution.
Maybe he just needs a stretch of games where he doesn’t “beast” it on defense but gets some kind of muscle memory of playing without fouls.
Does anyone really
think KP/PA/LM would fire Nate this season?
I hate Nate’s coaching. I want him gone far, far away from this team before we waste the season, but will upper management actually let go of the guy who they’ve marketed so much as “the right coach?”
i'd like to see haters
like Kenny Vance who incessantly preach nonsense about Roy’s reluctance to play uptempo rationalize that.
LOL, indeed.
We’d look awesome, btw. D’Antoni’s defensive schemes are underrated.
Didn't Nate try that in the last part of the season last?
I thought for sure the Mikes were talking about McMillan instituting an eight second rule.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
absolutely
Oden outlets, Miller with the ball, Roy and Rudy on the wings, with LA leading the charge.
tingles
How imposing and intimidating would that be to opposing teams?
I know everyone saw that through-the-lane-paper thin-pass When Miller hit LMA for the dunk....
THAT IS WHAT MILLER WAS MEANT FOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think it would happen before the end of the year, and only if we lost in the 1st round in 4 or 5 games
or entirely missed the playoffs.
That simplifies it way too much and overlooks
How big of an impact it is to have Roy not playing as well as he should be, Oden being in constant foul trouble (backed up by Joel, who has also been in constant foul trouble), the lack of cohesivenes, with the actual rotation being behind all of those in terms of causing our mediocre play.
no - the season is very young
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
AK, we’ve heard your take on Bayless. Explain to me how he is a worse shooting guard than Steven Blake.
free bayless
Well, Steve Blake can actually shoot efficient at the NBA level.
Blake, moreover, isn’t prone to turnovers nor trying to take the game into his own hands by pounding the rock, bowing his head and driving to the basket, et cetera.
Although Blake should definitely be a backup and not a starter, he’s still a better fit next to Brandon Roy on offense than Jerryd Bayless. They’re both bad fits defensively, albeit for different reasons.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Its almost time to do something.
Trade Blake. Trade Bayless. Bench Blake. Something.
We won’t see Nate change the PG rotation for at least 20 games. He loves Blake almost as much as MB does.
STEVE BLAKE TAKES WHAT THE DEFENSE GIVES HIM WHAT A TOUGH TEAM PLAYER THAT MAKES BRANDON ROY HAPPY.
free bayless
HIS BURPS SMELL LIKE FRESH BAKED BREAD
DID YOU KNOW HE IS A GYM RAT WHO WRESTLES MMA FIGHTERS AT TRUCK STOPS AT 2AM?
THAT FLOOR IS SPACED SO WELL
YOU KNOW WHAT THEY SAY: A SPACED FLOOR, OPENS THE DOOR, TO CHAMPIONSHIPS.
OLDEST SAYING IN THE BOOK. THE BOOK OF FLOOR SPACING.
The floor is spaced so well...
Often, you can catch Blake pushing the ball up court and pausing briefly to soak in the grand view…
If we add some mirrors in the corner
The floor will look even bigger.
Maybe add some built in shelves instead of taking up space with a standard bookshelf…
Hi, I'm Bob Vila, and you should really space your floor better with those fine hardwoods
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Why lay carpet..
when you have these fine hardwoods… here, let me show you how to add another layer of shine to these beauts
Lol
Sad but true. If I hear “Blakey” out of Barrett’s mouth again, I may break something
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:23 PM PST up reply actions
I would like to see a lineup of Miller, Bayless, Martell, LaMarcus, Greg/Joel
That would create much more penetration and foul problems for the opposition, while still able to shoot at least from mid-range. Let Rudy run with the first unit.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
I'm desperate
Please someone give me a rational reason for not starting Oden in the second half. I do not necessarily believe Oden should start- however changing this at half time made zero sense. It was mind boggling. Fouls is absolutely not a reason- he never plays more than 4-5 minutes in the 4th quarter anyways and he needs to learn to play with fouls. The only thing I can think is that Nate wanted to do something and instead of hurt Blakes feelings he chose to hurt Greg’s. so confusing.
I think he just assumes Greg won't get many minutes
So he’s just experimenting with where to put them.
Perhaps he could try a “encourage Greg to stay on the floor” strategy.
Maybe if we offered him a free Blizzard from Dairy Queen if he can play over 26 minutes?
My dad said he’d get me a Blizzard for every goal I scored in 3rd grade soccer. I scored over 30.
It worked.
While I find it funny
It’s the single most concerning point to me- it was just such a desperate move. At this point Nate is so lost he’s just firing darts at the wall. That can’t be good.
It was bad
I don’t get how certain players (Oden, Martell) get to feel Nate’s wrath regardless of production while sacred cow Steve Blake continues to look lost. Brandon and LMA also need a kick in the pants (as do all players) from time to time, and Nate won’t do that either
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
...........smh
blazersedge: The Blazers didn’t lose their 2nd home game until December 12th last year. Today is November 3rd.
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 PM PST reply actions
darn this whole chemistry thing and players not knowing their roles
I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.
by SabasforThree on Nov 3, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
it'll take time to build up that chemistry
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 3, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions
fans are flying off the bandwagon
I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.
by SabasforThree on Nov 3, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
we are not getting home court
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Not okay.
I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.
by SabasforThree on Nov 3, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions
4 if u count the spurs on friday
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
its just a little pattern that blazers are on but i hope im wrong
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
We don't want home court
On the road were .500
At home? .333
Do the math
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
yeah seriously i'm thinking about it
lol never…could never do that to rudy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 3, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Actually we got a ton of time left
If we avoid the 8th seed and don’t get the Lakers in the 1st round, as long as we figure it out in 77 games we’ll be okay in the playoffs.
I think we’ll figure it out this month. Good month to learn things from.
I dont know...
Do you see any new problems that we need to pinpoint that we didn’t already knwo last year?
Sure!
Roy hasn’t been as good, that’s a new problem, and figuring out how to use Miller better, and how to use the now-consistently good Oden.
Oden has made that almost impossible because of his foul problems, the Miller situation is made worse by leaning on Blake, and I dunno what’s up with Roy. It’s not like playing with Blake has made him better.
I’m glad LMA seemed to get his act together quicker this year.
The problems are obvious, and fixable. We don’t have deep, unfixable, bad problems.
This is a stretch of mediocre play
That could have happened later in the year as well. As of right now, it is only 5 games.
the answere to this team very well might be chuck norriss
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
i see his in disguise
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
And we could have easily been 5 and 0
Doesn’t mean the problems weren’t still there.
Might be better to lose and really stress over it and make the proper changes, over everything seeming okay because we won.
Yeah, still only 5 games
I give it 5 more before I start seriously worrying about anything long term.
I agree about the 10 game plan
Aside from the Spurs, we got some cupcakes coming up.
Roy shooting under 40%, Oden’s foul problems… it isn’t one thing. It isn’t all Nate, and I can see him trying to figure out ways to overcome it that seem like flailing with the rotation. At this point, I still blame the players play over the coach.
I know I was getting ridiculed when I said we would start slow...
And on some nights we would look totally off while on others it would work. I still predict(ed) 55 wins, but a start more along a .500 team.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
I still think we win more than last year
Tons of time left, and we still almost won all of the games whilst playing bad for us. That is only a good, but extremely frustrating, sign.
i hope youre right but if you think we can win more games then last year then
you are trully mistaken, sorry but that aint happening, but i guess if youre a die hard fan then you got to hope for best, im with you
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
dont get me wrong i hope youre right but i look at this team and i dont see it
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
probably i mean im so upset i cant sleep its allready 2 30 here in florida
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
im in jacksonville, im probably gonna go to the
game against orlando
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
dont really care for orlando
im a blazer fan to the end dont care to follow orlando much but dwight is kool i met him
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
He was in the florida mall signing autographs so
i got to meet him there and got some pics and some autographs
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
lol yeah his a down to earth guy.
trade oden for dwight
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
lol yeah hes a work in progress
give him 2 more years he should be 2nd dwight
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
yeah lets certianly hope so!
i know he’s got it in him
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 3, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
i used to live in portland for 10 years
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
rose garden is so much better then the
amway arena in orlando, but they are building a new one though
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
I simply do not see us playing this off all season, at all
And if we aren’t this off, we are 5 and 0 against 4 good teams.
Of course, the fact is we are off, and are 2 and 3, and have to deal with it. I think we won’t be this bad all year and will fix it soon through natural time and development.
To make it quicker, I would personally sit Blake and Outlaw more.
Ya can't live in the now
Ya gotta see what they can become, what we know they can be, and how early it is.
When predicting the future, anyways.
Roy won’t be off all year. Miller will learn his teammates better. Oden may have foul trouble again all year, but his play has been good.
My biggest issue is...
And maybe it is just being to demanding… Nate should have had his lineups worked out already.. I know cohesiveness doesn;t happen in 2 weeks.. But 5 games in Nate still hasn’t let a lineup sink in and gel… he is toying too much and if he doesn’t just let it ride and work itself out… the season can be lost before you know it.
A lineup hasn't shown itself to really work yet
hard to know which is best, even if we can guess what we’d like best.
Roy being off hurts a lot, and so does Nate making the Miller/Oden/Martell transition tougher than need be. When things we take for granted aren’t there right now, makes the new problems tougher to figure out.
We would need at least one major breakout game
Either some miracle buzzer beating like last year against Houston, or a game where Oden & Co. completely dominate the opposition. Against San Antonio would be a good moment, the Bulls managed to pull out a win.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Would be very nice to beat the Spurs
Ya know what? I hope we do beat them.
ESPN game, national TV, our guys gotta feel fed up.
YOU'LL SEE
I don’t care what no flawed computer predictor that predicts everyone but 3 teams wins 40 something games says!
I knows we only 2 and 3 and lost by only a little bit playing pretty badly. Extremely frustratingly. We can and will do a lot better.
We just gotta figure our stuffs out, and then it’s WIN CITY DUDE.
It's the streakyness
the team still hasn’t grasped consistency.. It’s very hard to do being a perimeter shooting team man
We were very consistent last year as a jump shooting team
The problem is that working in the playoffs, and why Oden is so important.
its a challenge to decide how much to weight last year vs. the early struggles this year
Because of how well we played last year, I’ve only revised my estimate down by 1-3 wins from 53 where I was before the season started (54 before Batum went down).
I don't think it is too far fetched to believe
that the team could have regressed.. I’m trying to draw a positive up to this point.. And I can’t… We have won the 2 games because the other teams played worse, not because we played better… At what point do you press the panic button?
Right now I guess
I see us losing because we played bad, not that any of them (aside from the 2nd Houston game maybe, but I didn’t see it) beat us.
We beat ourselves, thus we hold the key to our destiny.
Here's who we got the rest of the way this month
San Antonio— important game. We can win it. Might not.
Minnysota: better win.
Memphis: better win
Minnysota: better win
New Orleans: they ain’t playing well and aren’t that good anyways. Can win, might not.
Charlotte: better win
Atlanta: Obviously can lose to them, but I bet we steal a win back at their place. Could lose.
Detroit: better win
Golden State: we are iffy there, but they are bad. Better win.
Minnysot: better win
Chicago: better win (we’ve owned them)
New Jersey: better win
Memphis: better win
Utah: In Utah, tough game. Might lose.
If we lose to San Antonio, Atlanta, New Orleans, and Utah, we go 10 and 4. I think we got a good shot to win the non-Utah-in-Utah games. We also got a good shot at figuring it out this month.
True
But that is while we’re playing bad like we are.
My theory is that we won’t continue this mediocre play for long.
the thing is we're playing like a 40 win team
Even if we start playing like a 55 win team the rest of the year, we’ve already banked 5 games at a ~40 win level, which if you are being honest with yourself should lead you to already reduce your prediction by a game or two, even if you believe we will start playing 55 win ball tomorrow.
I agree - this will work itself out
Brandon said in the post game interview they thought they could pick up where they left off and they now know they need to start from the beginning again.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
he always says that after a loss
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Let's say we "overachieve" and go 13 and 7
That pace brings us to around 52+ wins over an 82 game season.
I do not think we’re going to keep playing this bad, and yes— not every month is as easy.
the farther we go the harder it gets
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
March is nice as well.
I haven’t seen any problem thus far that ain’t fixable, with the most worrisome one to me being Oden’s foul problems. Despite his improved play, there has been NO improvement foul wise.
That bums me out.
"When I feel like this I have to go back to what works," Roy said. "And that's working. We have to go back to work."
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
man i got to go to bed, ill talk to all you friday hopefully its a win
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
Our over reliance on jumpers and lack of overall effort
Is easier dealt with and changed after a rough start, and not a 5 and 0 start— which we VERY easily could have achieved if almost any of our guys stepped up or played more “normal”.
And the same problems would still exist, just hidden by wins.
We can’t say the regular season doesn’t matter yet, we ain’t the Spurs, but it is way early and we will make the playoffs.
Roy
will get into his groove.. Not worried about that tbh,
Foul problems aside… What we see from Oden ahs to be encouraging… The achilles heel of this team (IMO) still appears to be falling back on jump shooting… We still cannot work from the inside out.. And Odens lack of a truly dominant post move as opposed to his foul trouble appears to be the bigger issue… To Odens credit, he still appears to be getting these silly ticky tack fouls..
Wow
Just got back from the game/a late dinner, and it was a frustrating night. The guys are playing hard, Brandon is bringing it, and when he’s on the floor, Oden is a game changer. Those are the positives.
Now for the negatives. First, Greg needs to cut down on the fouls. I know he wants to alter everything, but pick your battles big man. Miller and Blake should never be on the court unless they are out there as part of a free throw lineup. They are not a good combination. Martell and Rudy should both see more time, as they are respectively the best perimeter defender and offensive facilitator on the squad for my money. Steve Blake needs to learn how to pass into the post, rather than waving the big guys off the block. I know he’s Brandon’s caddy on the perimeter since he doesn’t want the ball, but he is just painful to watch out there. Free Bayless, at least somebody who’s aggressive would be nice to see for a change. Screed over…
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
One more dominant guard might cause us to sink
The crowd must have been pretty disappointed.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
There was a general sense of unease brewing
in the 2nd quarter once the double digit lead disappeared. Another thing that had me nervous was Prtland was shooting 50%, ATL 40%, and it was a signle possession game. Once things equalized, advantage Hawks.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions
Portland played well for 1st quarter
Atlanta played better the last three. But it was our dysfunctional play that let them back in.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
Hopefully one positive consequence
of tonight’s loss is Nate never uses Miller and Blake together again. That combination is simply wretched, and it takes minutes from Rudy/Martell, both of whom would make a better 2 (or 3 if Roy is in)than the aforementioned not so dynamic duo
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
The stink on this team
is chemistry issues surrounding Brandon Roy and his on court relationship with the point guards.
Here's where the problem all started
During training camp Roy wanted to play Halo 3 and invited Blake. Roy told Blake not to tell anyone, cause others might get jealous and cause issues with the chemistry. However, Blake had so much fun, that he had to tell Trout, who told Lamarcus and eventually Miller found out. Since then, there’s been no chemistry between the two. Blake feels bad and has no idea what to do, so its awkward between he and Roy and Miller. This has gone on for too long and has caused chemistry issues off the court.
Something needs to be done.
I will throw my mouthpiece across the court if I disagree with you.
by SabasforThree on Nov 3, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
Lots of negativity here tonight
But more than anything Brandon and Andre have some growth work to get this right.
It is early in the season and there is plenty of time to work it out. No reason to panic.
Joel will maybe never have great hands but he is a perfect backup center when guys are hitting their shots. when we cannot buy or borrow and 3 the other team packs it in and our offense is stuck. Way too many penetrations yet to cause the bigs to foul.
Tonight we did not have a single guard who played well. It happens.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
and 3 = a 3
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
The thing that worries me
is the strength of the West. The longer this takes to figure out, the worse seed we draw. The important thing is playing well, but home court helps
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
We only need to be playing well enough to get into the playoffs
We were not very good in 1976-1977 but peaked in time for the playoffs.
It simply takes time to work two new starters into the lineup.
Houston showed us what home court was worth last year. Dallas learned the same lesson from Golden State a few years ago (1 seed losing to an 8 seed).
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
It's all very alarming, and we're only five games into this.
Both true statements, and only one will be the relevant observation in three months.
Which will it be? I put my money on “It’s all very alarming”. The chemistry just feels very wrong.
My favorite Sonic memory as a kid? 1978: team goes 5-17, fires the coach, hires Lenny Wilkins, and misses the championship by one game. So you just never know.
Miller>Roy (in Miller's mind?)
That is the chemistry added and that is what needs to be worked out – everyone else see the pecking order and Miller appears to have a different mind set.
"Either way we have two phenomenal units. I'm excited to play with either one." - Martell Webster
last year i went to the game her in orlando blazers won and there were alot of blazers fans
this year might be a different result
Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches.
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