Play Jerryd Bayless!
- Played 1 year for the Arizona Wildcats, where he averaged 19.7 ppg and 4.0 assists.
- Drafted #11 in the 2008 draft by the Indiana Pacers, then traded to the Blazers.
- Salary for this season is $2,143,080.
- Averages 12.4 minutes per game in games played; only played 53 games last year.
- 21 years old, 6'3, 200 pounds.
Bayless, Bayless Bayless.
Let's take a look at the facts. These observations are derived from both his statistics and extensive analysis of game film from high school and college.
Firstly, Bayless was a stud during college. He's proved that he can do a lot of things on the offensive end. First, he's a fast, athletic player. He has a prodigous vertical jump. He has decent ball handling, and can use all three of these assets to either drive and finish at the rim, or to drive and dish the ball to a teammate.
Secondly, Bayless is, at this point, not a true point guard. His game is geared towards the SG position; his offensive skill set would suit him very well for it. Sadly, he's not big enough or tall enough to play defense at the 2 guard position. Defending against other players his size, he does very well. He utilizes his speed and agility to play a harassing style of defense where he can shut down opposing players that are around his size, but he would have a tough time defending players who are 6'6 or 6'7. (He would be a great matchup against the lightning quick Aaron Brooks, but couldn't defend a player like Kobe Bryant or Dwyane Wade.)
Third, my point is that we shouldn't give up on Bayless as a point guard. He's fast, blindingly fast. For his size, he's surprisingly strong and has great stamina and athleticism. If he were to settle down a little bit, and focus on running a team rather than on scoring points, then his efficiency as a PG would improve. Also, if he were to improve his three point shooting (he is a blossoming shooter; averaged more than .400 3PT% during his time at Arizona but has only hit about 27% of his 3's in the NBA.
Recap:
Athletically, Jerryd Bayless is a beast. He has great vertical, blinding speed, and good instincts near the basket. His game is geared towards playing the SG position, but his smaller size would make him a liability on defense, especially against elite players such as Dwyane Wade and Kobe Bryant. (Look at Ben Gordon for an example of this point.) He posseses all the intangibles- never gives up, scraps and fights for every ball posession, has the ferocity of a tiger and the heart of a lion. Essentially, his personality makes him a natural leader.
Whether he plays at the PG position or gets a few minutes at SG, or if the players decide to play 2 PGs at the same time, Bayless is sure to give it 100% on both the defensive and offensive ends. Given playing time, he will further develop his shot. At this moment in time, his passing is less than stellar, but is something that can be improved. Given his work ethic and dedication, he could blossom into a great point guard in the NBA if he were motivated and given playing time. He is a score-first point guard, and that's not necessarily a bad thing (look at Chris Paul).
Conclusions
Bayless definitely needs more playing time. Jerryd was picked with the 11th pick in the 2008 draft. How many other teams do you see letting their #11 picks lie around, not using them? OK, I'll give you that Steve Blake and Andre Miller are better point guards than Jerryd Bayless at this point in time. But Blake has no room for improvement; his play right now is as good as he'll ever play. Blake uses his inherent athletic ability to the max, and therefore is at his maximum potential for his athletic gifting. Andre is a great passer, but is reaching the end of his career.
Bayless has an upside on these two veterans. Everyone would agree that firstly, Bayless is more athletically gifted than Blake and Miller. I would even argue that he has more leadership potential than these two. If you've seen Jerryd make a great pass after driving to the basket, or dunking and getting an "And 1" (then subsequently screaming his defiance into the air), you might agree as well. I think his value mostly lies in being an elite point guard (if you can call it that) in the second unit. His scoring first mentality might not mesh with the high-powered trio of Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge, and Greg Oden in the first unit, but it could do great things in the second unit. Look at the following chart of the Blazers' second unit with Bayless in the mix:
C- Joel Przybilla: Defensive leader of the team, works very hard for rebounds on the offensive and defensive end of the court. Very consistent player.
F- Travis Outlaw- Troutlaw will provide a good bit of offense for the team. His ability to pull up and take the jumper, as well as to drive on slower opponents at the PF position and finish at the basket or absorb the foul, mixed up with new dedication to defense, will make him a great backup forward.
F- Martell Webster- If Nic gets his starting job back after returning from surgery, Webster will be a difference maker in the second unit. So far, his defense looks great, and his offense has consistently made him a highlight reel player. He's also a great jump-shooter.
G/F- Rudy Fernandez- First and foremost a great shooter. Also a very good passer (McMillan rated him the second best passer on the team), and has good ballhandler. Is best suited for the SG position, but this year has also been playing a little bit of SF. Defense could use some work, but is a great offensive tool.
G- Jerryd Bayless- Brings a mentality to the team that attacks the paint. Forces second units to defend in the paint (as Chris Andersen is the only good shot blocker in the NBA in a team's second unit other than Przybilla, and Przybilla plays for the Blazers.) with much more effort and draws defenders off the perimeter. This definitely leaves wingmen open. With three deadly accurate three point shooters in the second unit, Bayless' ability to drive to the basket will lead to wide open threes by the other guards/forwards on the very talented second unit. This unit is built to run the fast break, and Bayless' on-court savvy and handles will give the Blazers a good chance of scoring a lot of fast break points.
So tell me what you think. I'll be glad to hear your feedback, etc. Thanks, and go Blazers!
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Wait what?
Miller to starting unit? And my point is Bayless can drive very well. He is able to overpower other point guards and get to the rim.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions
As much as I like Bayless
he is NOT better than Rudy, Roy, Miller or Blake. So he sits until one of them leaves.
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by usmcr3049 on Nov 3, 2009 12:20 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
It is really that simple
He will get an opportunity if there is an injury or trade. Otherwise, he will likely get his chance next season.
Bayless had a chance to prove that he was ready to be a backup pg this summer. The signing of Andre Miller ultimately tells me all I need to know about how comfortable KP and company were with Bayless in the rotation…
Good Point
Though I would wish that Nate would throw us fans a bone and let Bayless play more… I believe he could have logged some minutes at the season opener when we were ahead by more than 15.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
I do not think bone throwing ...
… is listed among Nate’s job requirements.
While I understand why you would like to see more of him, Nate has overriding reasons to keep him on the bench – namely that Nate has to win games and Bayless has yet to earn a shot at more minutes.
Last season the guy I wanted to see play more – at least now and then – was Shavlick Randolph. I felt that if given the chance, he would perform well. But what do I know? The guy making the call, the one with all of the experience, thought otherwise.
hakkaa päälle !
I suppose you're right
I’m just a 16 year old, and Nate’s had a successful NBA career as well as experience as head coach.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions
I'm over 50 and I don't have any more NBA coaching experience than you.
The difference is – at least one of them – is that you are young enough that the possibility still exists for you (even if remotely). I highly doubt there is even a remote possibility of my ever gaining that experience. Unless maybe I suddenly become best buds with Paul Allen and then convince him to let me be a guest coach.
Should that happen, you will likely see me sitting right next to Nate, waiting for him to tell me what to yell out.
hakkaa päälle !
Potential
Blake isn’t going to get any better. Neither is Miller. Bayless only can improve.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
The age old development vs wins debate...
It comes down to whether or not the blazers believe he is going to be a real difference maker long term. If you believe he is the piece that could put you over the top, you suffer through the growing pains now. Greg Oden is a guy that falls into this category, even if he wasn’t playing well, he would get minutes because he is a franchise changing caliber player. Bayless is not close to there yet in my opinion, especially with the big three already in place. You could even argue that a guy with Bayless’s limited passing ability tendency to struggle running an offense might actually hinder the development of more important players like Oden and Aldridge.
True, however
As I said in the FanPost, Bayless will be an amazing second unit point guard. No more, no less. His score-first mentality will not make him flow with Roy, LMA, and G-O.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions
I love Bayless,
and I get what you’re saying about gaining experience by actually getting playing time — But I really don’t think he should get “regular” minutes. I think Bayless definitely does deserve “some” minutes though. I would’ve liked to see what he could have done against Brooks for a few possessions. I think we’re just gonna have to wait until either – A.injury (heaven forbid) or B. mid-season trade
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I haven't seen anything out of Bayless ...
… that makes me believe Portland will perform better with him either as the starting PG or even receiving significant minutes there.
The Blazers are a better team with either Blake or Miller at the point. And unfortunately for Bayless, he’s stuck on a deep team without a clearly defined set of skills to supplant anyone in front of him at either guard spot. That is not saying that one day he might. But right now it doesn’t appear that he can.
hakkaa päälle !
I would like to see Bayless get a chance at some point also
Andre Miller has maybe 2 years left of being a solid NBA PG, and Steve Blake is not going to cut it as a starter for a deep playoff run. I understand Nate not playing Bayless though. Its an unfortunate situation, one perhaps best addressed by a trade, perhaps Blake+Outlaw for Kurt Thomas and a first round pick or something.
I'd play him at the 5....
I’d like to see him patrolling the paint.
Why is Miller
on this team? Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy This team is still searching for its pg of the future. Love Blake but Bayless with time should be better. If Greg can go through growing pains they should let Bayless play as well. Sucks that there is so much pressure on the Blazers to win from the fans. I wonder if fans would tone down the expectations and hate for Nate if he decides to take his lumps this year with Greg and Bayless.
There's a problem with that comparison, though.
Even though Greg is having “growing pains,” he is still a top-tier rebounder and shot-blocker. Bayless isn’t a top-tier anything right now. Greg’s growing pains are worth sticking through because of his contribution to the team. Jerryd’s current skills are not enough to warrant regular playing time. He’ll get there, but he’s behind a lot of solid guards right about now.
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On top of that...
Greg’s has the potential to be one of the most dominate big men in the game, a true game changer. Dominate center’s are a lot harder to come by and far more valuable than a dominate point guard. This is doubly true when you have Brandon Roy and to a much lesser extent, Rudy Fernandez, both of whom can be playmakers on this team…
Very good point.
Dwight Howard is definitely more impactful on his team than Tony Parker is for the Spurs.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
I sense a little sarcasm...
Correct me if I’m wrong but I hope your aren’t comparing B-Rex’s potential to Tony Parker….please tell me otherwise.
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
Yikes Mike...
There is MILES and MILES of difference between Tony Parker and Bayless!!!… Sarcasm is ok but that’s pretty weak sauce to back it up with…
How long has San Antonio been searching for its C/PF of the future?
Over the past 7 years they’ve gone from a decrepit Robinson, to Rasho, to Elson, to Oberto, to Bonner, to probably McDyess by the end of the year. This idea that we need a long term solution at every position is fallacious. If you have significant continuity over the rest of the roster, it’s not a big deal to fill in one position with a vet or an effective journeyman.
Agreed
Btw: Duncan’s been their big man in the middle for the past few years- at least when he’s not injured.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions
Obviously I'm not talking about Duncan
I’m talking about whomever’s playing alongside him. Our PG will be no better than our 4th best player for the foreseeable future, just like the Spurs big man playing alongside Duncan was never better than their 5th best starter. It’s not important to have the entire “team of the future” together and then just let everything ride. Once you have a core, you can fill in the edges as you go along.
With Brandon, Aldridge and Greg, there’s no real need to find the “PG of the future”. It’s always going to be possible to find a guy to plug in there, whether through a trade, FA signing, or the draft.
Couldn't agree with you more
But the whole point of my FanPost was that Bayless could find a great niche playing backup PG with a talented second unit (a second unit that could beat up on teams like the Charlotte Bobcats)
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
That's why I was responding to BBG
instead of just posting at the bottom of the comment section. Ths issue is, there have to be specifics. Saying we want to play Bayless means we have to decide between Blake and Miller and then essentially deal the other one. As long as both those guys are here, Bayless essentially can’t be “given” minutes because he’s been clearly inferior to them in game situations.
Until Blake-Miller gets resolved (or an injury occurs), Bayless is essentially stuck where he is now.
Yeah thats true
its just that I cant see the blazers in 2 years going to the Finals with an older Blake and a very old Miller. Bayless needs to get some type of time to improve. Would Bayless on the floor with Roy for 8-12 minutes be so detrimental to the team?
Bayless + Roy
Isn’t a good combo. But in the second unit? Lethal. A driving PG coupled with 3 good outside shooters and a solid center?
That’s a formula for success right there.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
Bayless + Roy
can absolutely be a good combo.
Having two players able to drive and finish or draw fouls in the same unit is of great benefit. San Antonio is again a good example with Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili. I agree there is no need for Bayless to start necessarily but he and Roy should play significant minutes together if he develops as you think.
Disclaimer – I am in no way comparing Bayless to Parker as a player, merely in terms of their ability to draw fouls.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
If we can't score inside, I would like to see a second unit with Miller, Bayless, Webster, LaMarcus, Joel/Oden.
But slowly things happen that they cannot help and the Blazers Fellowship of the Ring begins to break apart
Miller and Bayless?
Together? Hmm, that’s a good thought. But what about Rudy? Where does he fall in this rotation?
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Finished all your homework early the last couple of days, I take it?
I know less than half of you half as well as I should like, and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.
Haha
Yes indeed. I just have a test next Tuesday, but nothing more than that. All the better to cheer for the Blazers!
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
we blew it last year
when we never played bayless and gave sergio wayyyy too many minutes, just cause he’d toss it to rudy. so we decided to get a new point guard since we never got to see the point guard we drafted the year before. now we have blake miller and bayless. if we knew what we had in bayless, we could have either not gotten a point guard like miller or be more comfortable sitting bayless. play the kid, i think he can be really good, but him and miller have no shooting and that would be a hard sell for mcmillan
Yep
My man Bayless can beat Blake and Miller in a 40 yard dash, vertical leap, and dunk contest. He can destroy Miller in a 3 Point shooting contest.
So why isn’t he playing?
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
This isn't the NFL Scouting Combine...
It’s the NBA… and I could destroy Miller from the Three…
He isn’t playing because he isn’t as good…
thats not the point through
the purpose of playing bayless is to see what we have, and see if bayless can be better than miller and blake after a year or two with this team, btu we’ll probably never see that. here’s hoping steve blake has a sore shoulder
Minutes should come from defensive match-ups.
Bayless can use his speed to match-up better with some of the smaller/quicker point guards. Look what happened to us at Houston. We need his speed to stay in front of the smaller quicker penetrators. Might result in a few less fouls on Greg and Joel. Yes, we will sacrifice some offense due to his inexperience at distributing the ball. Both Roy or Rudy can run the offense for limited minutes while Bayless fills in and does some defensive dirty work. Maybe give him a chance vs. the Spurs and Tony Parker?
Totally agree
I love his mindset when he plays the game- he’s a hustle player. Gotta love that.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
The hustle can be over-done though.
One of the things I think Bayless can improve upon is implementing more defensive change of pace. He can be so hyper that it’s easy for good players to anticipate what he will do, and play off of that. Look at how Kobe plays defense, and you will not see him constantly up in the offensive player’s face. He’ll dart in and out, play the passing lanes, and keep the offense guessing where the defense will come from. All the while playing good position defense. I like Jerryd’s hustle, don’t get me wrong. I just think his energy can be more effectively applied.
defensive matchups is a good point.
after watching aaron brooks continuously make steve blake like he’s running around in 3 inches of mud, i’d have no problem letting bayless pick up 3 or 4 fouls. honestly. at least make that annoying little prick (brooks) work for something. and better bayless picks up the fouls than GO/LMA/JP.
amirite?
How about this:
We all sit back and let Nate work out the point guard situation this year. Aside from the juggling of Blake’s and Miller’s minutes (which will have more to do with matchups and who fits with what lineups than anything else) we pretty much know what we’re gonna get at the PG spot for the rest of the year. Include the mixing of Rudy and Roy into the mix, and all that the Blazers should be focused on is on simplifying things rather than introducing any new ideas. Not this year.
Next year Blake is going to leave our team as a free agent. Problem solved. We start Miller for the next two years after that and let Bayless run the second unit and gradually steal his minutes. If Bayless does turn out to be great we can even choose to not activate the last year of miller’s contract in 2011-2012 and let Bayless start.
The Blazers are now completely in the driver’s seat with the PG position, and I couldn’t be happier with their plan. We don’t have to pay Bayless much money when his extension comes up, and if he’s ever going to be a role player or a starter for us he will have the opportunity. As Blake and Miller are phased out over the next 2-3 years, voila, we have Petteri and Patty Mills to do what Bayless is doing now: wait their turn.
It’s just going to take a while for him. 2 years at least… Poor Bayless. Free him, yes, but just get him very acclimated to the wild first…
Patty Mills
That man is a beast. He went to St. Mary’s, which is University of Portland’s WCC rival.
I’m telling you, he’s got the tools to be a Tony Parker type of player: fast, athletic, good shooter, great passer.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions
Hey if you scramble the letters in RCM's signature...
you get ‘eternal Blazer optimist’…
Bayless's Summer League
was a major disappointment as far as being point guard. And last year his shot was off, if he had shot better he’d probably have more minutes. That second unit needed more of a passing pg, and sergio was the better passer. The blazers have, at the least, a team capable of making the WCF this year. To do so they need to win enough regular season games to get home court for at least the first round, the west is deep and having bayless play point ahead of blake and miller the blazers will not have their best team on the court. A look at your second unit lineup doesn’t show anyone capable of bring the ball up and distributing, someone has to be able to hit trout, martell or rudy for the open shot and bayless hasn’t shown he is able to do that yet. Bayless might be a better player, in terms of scoring and defense, but he is not a better pg than blake or miller. Best bet is to let J bay work on his game in practice and hope his growth happens there.
Oh and Chris Paul is a shoot first point guard? He led the league in assists last year on a miserable NO team.
Summer League
2008 MVP. Anything more need to be said?
This year, he worked on distributing the ball rather than attacking the hoop and scoring- this year was less about showcasing his skills to the team, but rather about him learning to distribute the ball. Of course, it’s still a work in progress, but he’s making leaps and bounds.
And yes, CP3 is a shoot first point guard. He’s the only good scorer in his team. (Chandler doesn’t count because he spent a lot of time being injured.) Obviously you stick the ball in his hands. And when he’s getting double and triple teamed driving to the hoop, then he passes the ball and gets an easy assist.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions
2009 summer league
he worked on distributing…. and he was awful, awful against summer league opponents, imagine how that translates to nba players. 2008 showed he’s a good undersized shooting guard, unfortunately that’s not what this team needs.
CP3 only good scorer on his team, uh they have two other All Stars on their team, David West and Peja. Paul avg. 16.1 attempts the past two years. Allen Iverson, a shoot first point guard avg. around 24 att per game when he played in philly. Paul is the best point guard by far, best shooting, best passing, best defensive, i wouldn’t say he is shoot first point guard, he just is a point guard.
Completly agree.... EXCEPT!
He shouldn’t focus on being more of a true point guard! He is exactly what this team needs. A quick guard that can keep apposing speed daemons (arron Brooks) out of the paint and someone who can handle the ball and play alongside Roy.
Alongside Roy
He would hog the ball too much and take too many shots. Roy’s a better scorer than him, but his style won’t let him defer.
Look at the problems Roy and Miller are having. Miller obviously wants the ball in the 4th quarter.
Of course, Roy is the better offensive player, therefore he should get the ball.
Bayless would pose the same problem.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
Exactly
Brooks left Steve Blake and Andre Miller in the dirt.
This left our bigs in trouble as Chuck Hayes and other players of his ilk got the ball very deep in the post, facing the basket.
Of course, Greg also got 5 blocks in the first game against Houston, and 3 in the second game.
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by Rip City Mike on Nov 3, 2009 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
bayless doesnt get left in the dirt
he just fouls you instead. i’d rather see bayless pick up the fouls Oden will undoubtedly receive when brooks walks past blake/miller.
Personally...
I haven’t seen much of anything from Bayless that shows he is a good defender. Sure, he is athletic, quick laterally, and plenty motivated on that side of the ball. But defense is about 30% athleticism, 70%IQ and ability to react. Yes, he has the physical tools to be a good defender, but so far he has been far too aggressive, leading to many silly fouls. He gets lost when rotations are needed(I don’t care how fast you are, the Cp3’s and Tony Parkers of the nba will blow by you). Defense isn’t just about getting in somebody’s chest and frustrating them, its about forcing the unstoppable players to your help, and then rotating/recovering depending on the situation and the defensive game plan.
Look at some of the better perimeter defenders in the league, Tayshaun Prince, Shane Battier, Raja Bell, Bruce Bowen of old. etc. They aren’t exceptional athletes, but they are smart. They know their match up inside out, they have excellent reflexes and an ability to predict what their opponent is trying to do. Defense is primarily about one thing in my mind, anticipation. I don’t care how fast, strong, or athletic you are if you can’t anticipate and react to what your opponent is doing. This is something Bayless lacks in my opinion, but also something he will learn with experience. As of right now, I don’t think he will contribute much more defensively than our other point guards when both one on one D, and the team approach. I would think that if Nate truly thought Bayless was our best pg defender, he would give him a shot when Brooks is wiping the floor with us.
Blake is gone after this year, Bayless will backup Miller next year, and the following year Jerryd will assume starting responsibility
He just needs to be patient and keep working his butt off.

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