Chad Ford (Insider): Travis Outlaw "Probably Won't Be Re-Signed"
Chad Ford of ESPN Insider put together a piece on 2010 free agents. He writes...
Travis Outlaw, Blazers: Outlaw has been somewhat a forgotten man in Portland. He's been a solid scorer and shooter for the Blazers the past few seasons. He's still young and athletic, and given all the money the Blazers are going to have to commit to young players such as Roy and Aldridge, he probably won't be re-signed by the team.
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assuming we are still going to commit money to roy and lma
stinks of lack of research. Obviously the players had already been signed, the deals done. The commitment is past tense, and so the blazers know exactly how much they would have available to extend travis if they desire.
Which is exactly why he will be traded for CP3 who is unhappy about losing games.
Chuck Norris' tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Who is the PG we trade with Outlaw to free up space? Blake? Miller? Rex?
We currently have no place for Paul on the roster, as much as I want him here
Blazers win!
by The X-man on Nov 3, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Haha I imagine if somehow God graced us with Chris Paul
we would MAKE room.
by resurrect_ha28 on Nov 3, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. There’s plenty of room on the bench.
by shralpster on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
He did grace us with Paul, but we picked Martell instead.
by MiledAnimal on Nov 3, 2009 11:00 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
hey
ben just said he rocked the defense against OKC, and as we all know… defense wins championships.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Besides`
we passed on him and picked up Oden, Aldridge, Roy…
I’m good.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rat, you know very well that we were predestined to get those guys.
God’s divine plan for the Blazers has been thwarted by the hubris of John Nash.
Plus it breaks my heart that CP-3 cries himself to sleep every night wishing he were a Trail Blazer, cursing the day that Nash believed we didn’t need him because we had Sebastian Telfair.
I was dumb enough at the time to agree
I was young and thought those blazers “just needed soem three point shooting to open them up… we don’t really need the best player available… plus Websters going to be really good too!!!”
They needed oh so much more… namely a cleansing from top down to remove the bad seeds.
I wanted to believe and so was blind.
I still say webster will surprise people though. Very unfortunate he didn’t get his break out year last year due to injury.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
all of them
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you are right. you can't fit Paul onto a roster with Blake, Miller and Bayless
too much talent there
by Basketball Smurf on Nov 3, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
cp3 is a bad fit with roy because he needs the ball to be effective.
so he should come off the bench
bayless leaves over my dead body
andre miller>hedo, blake
START MILLER
by thomasikehara on Nov 3, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 11 recs
CP3 is definetely not a starter with Roy on the team.
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Stop it, you guys are cracking me up.
Wait, I have one: “CP3 can be the first-ever max contract floor wiper.”
by MiledAnimal on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Maybe we can pick up Iverson to keep him company.
by shralpster on Nov 3, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
You know, really, our point guard problem
Is Brandon Roy’s problem. Granted, Roy is better in every way than Z-Bo, but isn’t our offense about the equivalent of “throw it in to Zach and get ready to get back on D”. With the exception of the kick to Blake in the corner, Roy is kind of a black hole himself.
True, true
I totally agree. Sure he’s amazing and can create on his own. But it’s really limiting for that to be the Blazers go-to offensive set at the end of the 4th. He’s too good to not be able to play off the ball better. He’ll learn, right? I sure hope so.
Yeah FG % is low...
39% FG 40% 3pt. He does lead the team in assists. His FG% will come as well as his teams and you should see his assist go up.
I know Trout has been labeled a black hole as well but so far this season I’ve seen him pass more! It’s gonna get better team wise and I don’t mind seeing a couple Ls as long as they start gellin.
Roy is more comfortable playing with Blake.
Paul would fit great with that “second unit”.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 3, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
George Shinn wouldn't even trade Chris Paul for Brandon Roy.
Paul isn’t only better than Roy, but also more marketable financially.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
There is only one player I'd take over Paul.
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 3, 2009 4:46 PM PST up reply actions
If I were to start a franchise, I'd take LeBron James and Dwight Howard over Chris Paul.
That’s it, though.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Lebron yes...
Dwight… i’m not so sure. I love Dwight, but freaking LOVE Paul.
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 3, 2009 5:01 PM PST up reply actions
Please show your work w/ national ad campaigns involving Chris Paul
Also please show home/road ticket sales per capita.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
Here's a list for you.
http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/Chris_Paul_Ranks_Third_on_NBA_-311431-31.html
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Is that a year and a half old?
From back when the Hornets were still popular?
Now please find me a link detailing the popularity of Bob McAdoo on the Buffalo Braves.
dinasour type of guys choir boys
by mittsabishy on Nov 3, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
are you really arguing that Paul isn't more popular
or nationally known than Roy?
Delonte West: Zombie Hunter
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 3, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, I don't get why I'm even having this debate.
Even the most homeristic Trail Blazer fan realizes Chris Paul has substantially more national recognition than Brandon Roy.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
That 2008 date was wrong in the article.
If you had read the entire article, you’d’ve caught thsi paragraph.
“The rankings are based on sales at the NBA Store in New York City and NBAStore.com since the start of the 2008-09 season through April 2009.”
http://www.nba.com/hornets/news/Chris_Paul_Ranks_Third_on_NBA_-311431-31.html
You’d’ve also noticed Allen Iverson’s jersey sales were with the Detroit Pistons, which is an obvious indicator of this being a 2008-2009 list.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
im saying if they were somehow randomly forced to trade him, as people are talking about.
i, likewise, dont think its equal value.
travis is lucky...
that batum is injured, so at least he’s seeing some meaningful minutes at small forward (he is not a power forward). otherwise i think he’d be seeing pretty limited time.
if batum was healthy (with martell), i’d be feeling pretty bad for travis. it is his contract year, after all.
by tripdoubsalldetime on Nov 3, 2009 10:31 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps you should review some of the posts by jscot.
Or go look up the stats yourself. Travis does pretty well as a PF.
The factors that make Outlaw a poor matchup against some PF’s are the same ones that make him a matchup nightmare against other PF’s.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 3, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
he is fantastic as a PF
although finding minutes behind aldridge…
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Aldridge can't stay on the floor
Between fouls and injuries thus far. Getting Travis minutes behind him hasn’t been much of a problem.
for now...
yes.
That’s really not a long term solution though.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
Yes, NBA PF's have nightmares about playing against Travis Outlaw
They squirm, roll back & forth, and call out in in terror while dreaming about going around, through, and over Trout to grab offensive rebounds for uncontested putbacks.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 3, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
in fairness
Trout has looked decent on the games I’ve seen, defensively. that’s heads and shoulders better than last year.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
No, they do all that when they see him elevate for a jumper from the elbow
and they realize that even if they run out as fast as they can and jump as high as they can, it won’t bother his shot, and he has a really good chance of making it.
It's a tradeoff
Trout rocks them on the offensive end, but gives them the giggles when he tries to defend a true post PF.
Of course. Trout giveth and he taketh away
That’s why so many of us loveth-hateth him.
OK, mostly we love Trout because he’s a loveable guy. And that IS a lovely jumper he’s got. I just wish Nate would let Maurice Lucas fit Trout with a shock collar so’s Luke can zap him when he doesn’t block out. You KNOW Luke would like to.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
and another shock collar for Greg Oden
for Bill Bayno to use when #52 brings the ball down below his chest while “gathering himself” for a dunk
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
In other words he's inconsistent
If you look up the word inconsistent in Webster’s dictionary there’s a picture of Travis’s dome.
Also see – Jumpshooter.
any game where you have seen travis explode or make a late game shot
has been at the 4 position.
Senior Asian ambassador of Blazers Edge
by Philthyanimal on Nov 3, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't feel too bad!
He’s came in to this season much better in shape than in years past and I think he’ll be more reliable when it comes to his consistancy. He just has to bring it! With Roy and Monty on him, I like his chances!
Ford
must be bored to put that junk out there. That’s not even an issue until after the Feb deadline.
by CougzRule on Nov 3, 2009 10:32 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
Is it even news?
It’s just speculation. I hate ESPN.
by tominhawaii on Nov 3, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 4 recs
Chad Ford (Insider): Tomorrow "The sun will probably come up"
by tominhawaii on Nov 3, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions 5 recs
It’s worth paying for such reliable insight.
by shralpster on Nov 3, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I feel so blessed to be alive at the same time as this great NBA prophet
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 3, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
ESPN is Selfish
Honor Alaa Abdelnaby.
First in the NBA. At least alphabetically
by OhOhOden on Nov 3, 2009 12:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That was my thought.
I don’t see how this is the result of any insider information. Just idle speculation on Ford’s part.
Granted, he could be correct, but it is not as if he’s figured out something know one else has.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 3, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
If Webster emerges again
He almost surely will not be resigned since we have Martell for three more years already.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 3, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
When we resigned Webster, what was his sontract worth, and how many years?
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
^^^Contract***
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
$20,112,000 through 2012/2013...
He gets $4,344,000 this year, $4,800,000 in 2010, $5,256,000 in 2011, and $5,712,000 in 2012
From HoopsHype
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 3, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Last year is a team option...
"Do me a favor. Put your lip over your head... and swallow." Max Goldman
by clinchmobb on Nov 3, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Wow, that is a really good deal for the PTB.
Thanks for doing the research.
"I don't always read blogs regarding the Trail Blazers
...but when I do... I read Blazers Edge."
- resurrect_ha28
by FiveOhThree-RipCity!! on Nov 3, 2009 11:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
Hoopshype almost got it right. Not bad for them….
The final year is not a team option. It is, however, partially guaranteed for only $600,000 if he is waived before 7/1/12 and fully guaranteed if he is not waived by then.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
5 for 25 million I think
I think he gets around 4-5M a year.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
by skywaker9 on Nov 3, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
listed in “other notables” with no explanation.
by Ben Golliver on Nov 3, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
that's because he knows
that blake won’t get people all a twitter like Outlaw does.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
I think we trade outlaw and bayless, maybe another piece to get Rudy Gaye
by jordanneale on Nov 3, 2009 11:20 AM PST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Since he didn’t re sign with Memphis
by jordanneale on Nov 3, 2009 11:21 AM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The MSP boys were talking about this
And I’d dismiss it except for the fact that Jason Quick listed Gay as one of KP’s “special fit players to acquire in the future” during an interview last May. According to Gavin and Chad, Rudy’s a “team first player” who’s stuck in a bad situation with the Griz
I have contemplated Travis winding up in Memphis, for awhile. Jon Givony tweeted that there was a deal in place for Outlaw if Utah had let Millsap walk.
Gay is earning 3,280,996 this year. He’s a RFA and (reportedly) wants a 12 mil/year LTC. (I’m not sure that even KP thinks he’s worth that much!) But let’s say (hypothetically) that Portland makes Memphis an offer that they accept for Rudy…could the Blazers match an offer sheet for Gay next July and go over the cap? Would they have RG’s “Bird” rights if they make an “unbalanced” midseason deal and acquire him?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Yeah, they could
Any trade brings a player’s bird rights with him, although given that Rudy was apparently asking for a deal on the order of LA’s, I can’t imagine them being willing to pay him. It’s still remotely plausible that Memphis is just looking to get anything out of him and trades us to him for something like Blake and Webster (highly doubtful, though and I know about the salaries). Maybe we’d let him play out the string here, hit restricted FA and match an offer up to like $45 million (also doubtful) in which case we would have him at a relative bargain. Still, they may decide having Gay guaranteed for the rest of the year and possibly for longer is more useful than whatever we trade for him.
Still, it’s so unlikely that I’m not even considering it realistically.
Gay say she doesn't want 12 million a year.
He says the rumored numbers are bogus and he wanted something more reasonable. Sorry, I couldn’t find the link.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 3, 2009 4:27 PM PST up reply actions
didn't he turn down the Griz' 5/50 offer?
maybe he just wants out of Memphis?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I wouldn't blame him
In fact, I would consider that a plus in his character department.
Joel Freeland=Stud
I just realized I said "she".
I couldn’t find the exact quote I was looking for, but here is what his agent said.
Austin disputed the salary figures that have been reported. He called some of the speculation "absurd" as it relates to what Gay asked for. "A lot of numbers I’ve read I’m trying to figure out where they come from," Austin said of reports that Gay sought a five-year deal worth $50-$60 million.-Commercial Appeal
So, according to his agent he wasn’t looking for 10 million a year. Seems like a smoke screen by Memphis used as an excuse not to spend money. The old, “It’s not our fault, he just wanted too much money”, routine.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 3, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions
I'd rather go with
Outlaw and Blake for Conley and filler if a deal is to be had with Memphis. Gay is awesome, but with Martell and Batum in the fold SF is less of a need in the short and long term than PG, imo. Plus, beating a dead horse, there isn’t a basketball player alive with more experience feeding GO in the post than Mike Conley, he would help Greg and LMA.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
By the end of this month ...
… Steve Blake will likely pass Conley with regard to experience feeding Greg.
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 3, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Blake has a long way to go
Oden and Conley grew up together, grade school through freshman year (including summer league/AAU) is a pretty long time.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
by blazeraddict on Nov 3, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That kind of experience together would go a really long way.
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 3, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions
I’m trying to think of Steve feeding Greg the ball and all I see is an image of Steve frantically swinging passes around the perimeter.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 3, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions 9 recs
That gave me a chuckle
So thanks
rec’d
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
I believe Greg's mom holds the record.
by CatMan2 on Nov 3, 2009 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 10 recs
WIN
Columbus til I die, Columbus til I die. I know I am, I swear I am, Columbus til I die!
by BLAZER_FAN_199 on Nov 3, 2009 1:28 PM PST up reply actions
That did too
So thanks
rec’d
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
Bill Bayno
is catching up fast
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
i don't understand the love of conley
He played with Oden, but I haven’t seen anything that signifies this guy is going to be an exceptional point guard in this league.
Serious question, but what am I missing?
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll join you
In your little boat of bafflement. I still don’t understand the Conley bromance.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
And on a completely unrelated subject
Has anyone else noticed that the mobile version of BE doesn’t allow you to flag comments?
Still on the Rex bandwagon.
by dan_the_man on Nov 3, 2009 1:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
He's good.
To me, it has nothing to do with Oden, just the fact that Conley is already better than Blake or Bayless in his third season.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 3, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions
It takes PGs at least 2 years to have a clue
Unless you are someone exceptional. It took Conley little over a season to get a firm grasp of the PG position in the NBA.
There’s really no weakness to his game and he is solid all-around already, at a tender age of 21. It’s easy to project him into top echelon of PGs given he follows his current trajectory. Of course, it’s very possible that playing for Memphis along with Mayo, Iverson, and Gay would kill that trajectory so we need to rescue him ASAP.
Okay
those are some interesting tidbits. I haven’t really payed attention to him, but haven’t seen anything that wows me. It’s still trading for potential (ugh) but there’s also the history with Oden and existing chemistry that could work well.
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
but is it potential if he shot 40% from three and had 16/6 while playing fantastic basketball for an extended stretch?
free bayless
the reasons I am interested are (a) good young PG at young age, good culture fit and (b) it’s quite possible to rob Memphis blind.
free bayless
by Cablinasian on Nov 3, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Like the quickness
decent on ball defender, improving shooter.
I hate Comcast.
Card carrying member of Team Bayless
I believe in Greg Oden
I didn't think he was that great
but I did some research last year, and yes, I would be very happy with Conley. He’s a good 3pt shooter, he’s fast, he can play D, he can play off ball, he can dish to Greg. He’s not an all-star type, but he’s damn solid. A Conley/Bayless rotation at point would be pretty awesome going forward.
Come on you gotta listen unto me,
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be. ~Johnny Cash
Conley had a nice second half of last season
when Hollins took over as coach and gave Mike Jr more “freedom” to run the ball
Who knows where the Griz is going with Mayo and AI, though? MCJ could still be a part of their long-term plans, or not. And that could change in a week or a month from now. The Griz aren’t in a hurry to deal Conley, but they risk losing Gay “for nothing” at the end of the year, similar to where Portland stands with Travis. I’ve speculated in the past that for Portland to make a deal for MCJ, they’d probably have to agree to take a bad contract in return (Jaric, 7+ mil, but that was back when KP still had capspace) or be willing to part with Rudy or Batum (young/cheap/talented)
I expect Memphis will be getting offers for RG right up until the deadline. They’ll probably get a better deal than Outlaw for Gay. If KP has a huge “jones” for Rudy, he’s going to have to up the ante, and I’m not talking about Blake or Bayless—why would Memphis even want those guys? To get RG, KP will have to surrender Batum or Fernandez, and probably take back another player like Haddai to make the salaries match. I wouldn’t do it, but that’s probably close to what it would take
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I went with
Conley/Gay/cheap frontcourt player for Blake/Outlaw/Rudy
More detail in the Rudy Gay fanpost
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
I saw that proposal and commented, already
Blake is going nowhere…unless it’s for a player that KP really likes and there’s no other way to get him…but I strongly doubt that Memphis would have interest in Steve
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Why would we need another SF?
hakkaa päälle !
by timg56 on Nov 3, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
because
you can never have too many SF’s!
"Fernandez, to my eyes, is the Blazer who walks that walk most comfortably. A lot of Portland's fans (egged on, dare I say, by their local broadcasters) lament things like how Ron Artest or Yao Ming get to hit Brandon Roy's arms.
But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-39-135/On-Playoff-Experience.html
"I told Pau the Lakers never win here in Portland; I think it's great." -- Rudy Fernandez
by ratbastird on Nov 3, 2009 12:10 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Paul
could likeley be moved soon. If he goes to a team in the west it could be very bad for the blazers.
by BBG on Nov 3, 2009 12:40 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Paul isn't going anywhere
Why would they dump him? NO is a 15 win team without him, and they’ll never get fair value.
by ilserpente on Nov 3, 2009 12:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It's not even the wins or fair value in a trade, truth be told.
It’s about marketing the franchise with a top-five player. Without Chris Paul, the New Orleans Hornets franchise would be devalued to the point that George Shinn couldn’t sell it for as much if he wanted to exit as owner. Shinn, who smartly realizes that the NBA is a business, treats Paul as a cash cow. For one, I say good for Shinn.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Chris Paul is in the West right now.
by levelhed on Nov 3, 2009 12:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
but if he lands in Okc where they love him or in Denver with Carmelo that hurts the Blazers big time.
by BBG on Nov 3, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Ya
I can’t imagine any package without D Howard, Lebron James, or Kobe, and those guys aren’t going anywhere…
George Shinn is cheap, but not senile.
Dear Paul Allen:
Waive Patty Mills & sign Ime Udoka.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I love that this is the only post without a rec on this thread.
formerly rockingharder
by Mr. Knox on Nov 3, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I prefer to roll Blake and Trout in to one combined EC
TOSBEC
sounds kinda like toss back….as in toss them back where they came from cos’ we don’t want them.
"What happened to Bayless anyway? Did he turn into a pumpkin? Most teams don’t just let #11 picks rot." - Xiane
They won't just let Outlaw walk
Blazers will lowball Travis, offer him something like a 3-year deal worth $13-$14 mil plus incentives that he couldn’t reach because he won’t get the playing time. He’s a good player and it’d be great to keep him, but Portland can’t really justify giving him a big contract to be the 7th man on the team. If he’ll take that contract, we’ll have him here still. More likely, he’ll realize he can make quite a bit more somewhere else, and he’ll go.
More likely, he’ll realize he can make quite a bit more somewhere else, and he’ll go.
This is why a midseason deal makes sense. Travis is not Sergio or Frye. KP needs to get something nice in return for the Blazer’s 6 year investment
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
totally agree
I figure KP will have his mind made about Travis’s long term future as a blazer by the trade deadline. If he isn’t traded, I fully expect KP to give Trav what it takes to keep him in a blazer uni…
I figure KP will have his mind made about Travis’s long term future as a blazer by the trade deadline.
I find it hard to believe that KP hasn’t had enough time to have already made up his mind about Outlaw, and signaled his “Travis intentions” by targeting Hedo and Millsap, last July
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
On draft day, weren't there rumors...
of KP being willing to trade Outlaw to Memphis for a 2nd round pick contingent on another deal going through to improve draft position?
I remember the rumor
that Draft Express twittered. They said that if Utah hadn’t matched the offer to Millsap, Portland would have traded Outlaw to Memphis for a future draft pick.
"It's Our Time":http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O99POVJfglY
Jonathan Givony
and the tweet did not mention whether the pick was a 1st or 2nd rounder
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Memphis is so bad their 2nd round pick are in the 1st round
Delonte West: Zombie Hunter
by In Walks Rudy on Nov 3, 2009 5:11 PM PST up reply actions
Just a thought off the top of Chad Fords head
I’ve had the same one for weeks. If Travis wants to stay for less money he might.
I am not sure why everyone thinks Travis jump shot is unblockable. Guys contest it quite a bit. For one, he dribbles into having his shot contested on purpose. For two, his release point is to low, the ball doesn’t even get over his head. LA’s shot is much more unblockable then Outlaws.
Can somebody paste the article in a reply to me please?
I don’t have ESPN Insider.
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