Gameday Open Thread: Blazers vs. Jazz--Post Game Edition
by Dave on Nov 28, 2009 8:30 PM PST
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Yea, he played fantastic tonight
Loved those 3’s.
Starting Miller doesn’t solve the team’s problems. They need to start Miller and change their offense to suit his skills. He’s just not a good fit for Nate’s sets (which we run more with the first unit than the second).
Stop Worrying
The End
Stop even thinking this ship is sinking, she’s rocking, thats what party boats do. You know what works so darn well? My import automobile, once I changed the starter tonight that is. (Round of Applause)
Welcome to the Terror Dome
by BlazermaniacAndy on Nov 28, 2009 9:38 PM PST up reply actions
Aaaah,
Only the starter. Thats good. How many starters in those imports? Or, do you mean putting in a starter that’s from out of the country in place of a home grown one?
Extrenely poor showing in an opportunity to come out and play hard
Roy’s lazy defense is a terrible sign for the rest of the team
TP FOR 3
by WhereInTheWorldIsDontonioWingfield on Nov 28, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions
I don't expect a ton of D from Roy
but he needs to be more aggressive on offense. He’s playing like he’s the 3rd option when he’s our franchise player and the guy others should be playing off of. It’s hard to play off someone who isn’t playing hard.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 28, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
2 bad games in a row followed by 2 days off
there is going to be much wailing and nashing of teeth in Portland over the next couple of days.
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"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
They deserve it
They deserve it. They had a tough schedule, lots of games up to this point. They deserve the rest. They are really tired to get blasted by GSW and then lose two straight.
This will be a good time for them to regroup.
I'ma takea week off, so ya ain't gotta sweat me. :)
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Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Bayless was the second-highest scorer. I doubt that was the game plan.
We are having huge problems when opposing teams crowd us. LaMarcus can’t defend anything at the moment. Joel doesn’t seem to care like last year. Nobody is clicking and hustling and flowing at the moment. We are in deep doo doo.
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Yep. Something needs to change - what will it be?
by Free Bayless on Nov 28, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions
Either the game plan & execution...
or the coach.
Nate will get this team clicking, or they’ll send him packing. At this point, I think it’s one or the other. I don’t see an obvious trade they can make to fix things. Our stagnant jumper-happy offense is setting up our opponents to run us out of the gym with easy transition baskets while simultaneously deflating our spirits. Regardless of who’s fault it is, Nate’s going to have to fix it. It will be interesting to see what he does with the team’s first real time off this coming week.
did miller even play in the sencond half....???
This was one game where he even he looked really bad…sloppy…disinterested lots of rejected shots..bad lazy passes…. turnovers
TP FOR 3
by WhereInTheWorldIsDontonioWingfield on Nov 28, 2009 8:33 PM PST reply actions
Not one second. But he almost killed himself last night scoring those 2 points during the Griz run and fell on his hip/back. I think he’s really dinged up at the moment. And shooting bad 3s doesn’t help him.
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Agreed
As a Philly/Pdx fan I’ve been a Miller proponent the past couple years (and moreso since watching him destroy Blake in person last March), but having him camp out beyond the arc and/or passing it to him there with 3 seconds left on the clock is, uh, not utilizing his skill set.
I think the back injury from the Memphis game has something to do with him sitting
If not, this could get dicey
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 28, 2009 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
But I still wanna see Bayless over Blake, any day of the week...
and truly, I have absolutely no doubt that he’ll create a heck of a lot more shots for others than Blake, any day of the week…
The next time Nate says "scrap"
I hope he’s talking about his defensive schemes.
by FrederickT1 on Nov 28, 2009 8:35 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Should have started pressing at the midpoint of the 1st
just to slow them up coming down the court. I know there is a danger of giving up easy shots, oh wait we were giving up easy shots anyway..
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Wrecked...
And the next time he says:
“Like always, I want to attack from inside out”… he starts a point guard who knows how to make a low post entry pass… (Either Bayless or Miller, at this point!)
Starting 5?
Bayless, Roy, Webster, Cunningham and Oden?
LaMarcus needs a wake up call, big time and the guards are not stopping anybody, at least bayless stays in front of his guy most of the time!
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Close...
I thought about this right after the game…
Bayless, Rudy, Webster, Cunningham, and Oden.
Let the only 5 guys who seemed to give a @#$% hear their names cheered…
i could live with that
i don’t think benching roy will wake him up, but lamarcus, it will grab his attention
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
two consecutive games
that were reminiscent of the 05-06 season.
ugh.
we need a trade or a firing just to shake things up.
I suspect Nate will get a chance to pull the team out of this.
I’d be very surprised if KP has not privately met with Nate before the next game.
I think he has a couple weeks.
If they lay multiple eggs against the decent teams and drift below .500, I think he’s toast.
by Free Bayless on Nov 28, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
He has at least a month...
We’ve played so many games that we haven’t had a run of consecutive practices to fix things yet.
agreed
Nate seems slow to adjust, two nights in a row the first guy put on the pine was his hottest early hand…plus, putting oden down with two minutes left in the first was horrible…that pretty much ended the game. I know you need to protect oden from foul trouble, but in a game like this it is worth the risk to contiune to climb back in…instead we gave up 7 straight to close the half…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Nov 28, 2009 8:39 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
No thanks.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
I'd be cool with it
He would at least have the cojones to bench Roy or LMA for making absolutely zero effort on defense.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
I keep asking why, if he's so good, he's a commentator instead of a coach.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
He consistently had his teams in the playoffs. He just never won it all. Houston wanted to move on.
They replaced a good coach with another good coach.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
His teams tune him out pretty fast
The same could be said for former Mavs coach Avery Johnson, who would be a pretty good candidate for this roster with his focus on defense but allowing some more flexibility and speed on offense.
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I'd worry about the "tuning out the drill sargeant" problem again with him.
But I’d be thrilled if they tried it.
by Free Bayless on Nov 28, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
id love avery
just to hear him scream all the time. the guy’s voice is something else
But I'm still far from calling for Nate's head
At the moment I’m calling for some reallocation of playing time. If that doesn’t work, for a mid-season trade. And then maybe at the end of the year we’ll see.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I think he likes it that way...
If you’ve been through the mill like JVG has, and now can just sit back, say what you’d say around your own TV set, and get paid nearly the same…
Why the heck would you want to go and have to WORK for a living again?
Maybe Larry Brown will get bored and want to switch teams again...
with the talent on this team, I think he could coach us to a couple of rings before he got bored
I'd be ok with that
just so they’d stop having him announce Orlando’s games and he spends half the game defending his brother instead of talking about what’s happening on the court.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 28, 2009 8:38 PM PST up reply actions
Forget Blake and Miller. This is about Roy and LMA. Until those two play some defense and/or care, this is pretty hopeless.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
Do you Really think they dont care.....?
I am just curious if you think that?
No chance...
Roy certainly cares. LA at least cares about his own stats, if not the team’s success (and I’d guess he cares about the team’s success).
Roy and LA were probably gassed tonight, given all the minutes they played last night.
More generally, I think Roy isn’t comfortable right now. And when’s he’s not comfortable, I think he starts over-thinking, and slows down. It’s less clear what LA’s issue is. He may not be happy with his decreased number of shots.
Over-thinking might be an over-statement.
Not sure it took any thought at all to pass the ball out to Miller at the three point line with no time to do anything with it but hurl a desperation attempt to beat the buzzer. Then doing it more than once, now that’s checking your brain at the door.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
about defense?
I don’t know if they do.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
by jksnake99 on Nov 28, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Everyone says they’ll play defense. If you watch a Knicks game, they end every timeout with 1-2-3-defense screams. The reality looks a bit different. The perimeter is porous, putting more pressure on LaMarcus and Greg, and usually only the big men play weakside help defense.
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Does anyone even know where to start with this team?
Short of making trades. If this team stays in tact…what changes need to be made? They have only played one really good game…the Chicago game at home. Otherwise, Portland has pulled off some wins against less than stellar competition, and are losing to the playoff teams (Memphis and Golden State excluded).
They need to have a fire lit under them by Nate
They need well-defined roles. They need to stop worrying about their own games and start playing like a team. And they need to go back to the basics.
me, just give me the athority to beat on them with a bamboo stick and them the green light to pound me into dust if they can....
i’ll set em straight.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
They need to get past their 54 wins of last season.
To my eyes it seems that Roy and Aldridge have been coasting this season so far. They don’t act like they need to really put the effort in. I may be totally off the mark but they seem like they think that because they finally made it to the playoffs last season that they’re entitled to make it this season.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
non-playoff variation:
big-money contract = think they’re stars = special treatment expected = coasting
put a body on 'em
who wants Nates head on a stick
or a trade? Just kidding, i was so sure someone would be screaming for one or the other. Anyways, what is the deal with our team, any one with some solid answers?
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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:38 PM PST reply actions
there is something happening here
what it is aint exactly clear
theres a man with a gun over there
tellin me i got to beware
its time to stop children
whats that sound
everybody look whats goin down
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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:41 PM PST reply actions
In the spirit of the season,
be thankful with the team we have. Think of this… what would you feel like if you were a fan of the New Jersey Nets right now.
by M'sin.. on Nov 28, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
At least we’d have Brook Lopez?
by BlazerKoolAid on Nov 28, 2009 8:50 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
as good as he is. pretty darn boring.
i would much rather have the 2 greg oden monster Jams a game, rudy’s crazy passes, plays, Roy’s aaaaaaaaaaaaaaye And1s, Webster does anything he wants, steve blake digging holes entire game and hits a dagger 3 etc
We could be on our way to LBJ, annother solid Free Agent, and the #1 pick
with some nice young players in the stable. I’d be cool with that.
by DC Blazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Plus a new owner
With limitless funds and the willingness to spend. Abravomich with Chelsea V.2.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Abramovich*
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.
Well maybe Nate is intentionally screwing us over this year
so he will be let go after this year and he joins our arch enemy when Phil leaves
hey even the losers
get lucky some times
yes even the losers
get lucky sometimes
but I wont back down
no I wont back down
you can stand me up at the gates of hell
but I wont back down
a little tom petty analogy for yall
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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:44 PM PST reply actions
I'd be thinking 25% chance of Lebron/Joe Johnson/Bosh...Lopez, Devin Harris, and the #1 pick...
…so I’d be looking at them as the Blazers of a few years ago…
I hate that I have no real evidence to refute this claim
so instead i’ll just type “lol”
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
we liked him because he was good and a family man
maybe now that he has cashed in, his family is taken care of, he will do what it takes to fulfill his contract then retire early to be with his family…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
now that's silly
i hope you meant to type that in a sarcastic font
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
somewhat sarcastic
but come on, he is not exactly playing even half as well as last season. you must admit it. we have 1 new guy in the regular rotation, ok 2 now as cunningham has really cracked the rotation…
he has complainged a bit, not a lot mind you, but he hasnot taken any responsiblilty for his or the teams play…
seems odd that this shift in personality comes after signing the big contract
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
oh i understand
just thought your conclusion (that he’ll retire immediately once his contract is done) was really silly
"Your best?!?!! Losers always whine about their best. Winners go home and &^%@ the prom queen"
2008 Civil War: Oregon 65 - Oregon State 38
i missed the game...
whats up with miller hardly playing, he get injured?
by thegreatwhitehope on Nov 28, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions
Yes. In the Memphis game.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
The game was out of hand very early
Miller seemed to be pretty ineffectual, and was hurt yesterday. Probably the reason he had few minutes.
Interesting that we had 36 points in the paint
opposed to Jazz’s 28
Portland could coast along with their superior talent and stay right with us. Now that Portland woke up, the hammer cometh down.
every single one.....
exageration but man… it sure seemed like it… i know there was one that they missed and I was squirming in my chair repeting “get the ball get the ball get the ball” … it was … weird now that I remember it.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
i cant get no satisfaction
but tiiiiiime is on my side
yes it is
now you always say
that you want to be free
but youll come runnin back
yes youll come runnin back
yes youll come runnin back to meeeeeee!
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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:47 PM PST reply actions
My comments from earlier today that apply heavily to this game:
3) The excuse being put forth by Roy that he still isn’t comfortable with the (1) new player getting regular minutes (who happens to be substantially more skilled than the incumbent) is exactly that, an excuse. Someone needs to act like the leader of this team instead of complaining that everything isn’t identical to last year. Last year’s result isn’t the end goal.
5) Nate isn’t an Xs and Os guy, I think we all agree. He’s not really a good gameday coach as far as making adjustments on the fly. The one HUGE strength he’s always had is the guys have played hard for him. That isn’t happening right now. Something has to change – he needs to find a way to remotivate them, or we all need to hope that Rick Adelman doesn’t have his team option picked up next year.
sheesh tough crowd tough crowd
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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:48 PM PST reply actions
Can't put this all on Nate
The same team that looked great against Chicago is laying the eggs now. Are there issues I have with the rotations and schemes – of course. But Nate can’t make the guys care about playing hard, that’s on the players
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
Guess what, the Jazz looked great against Chicago too. Only they conserved it.
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For professionals, I don't think it's on the coach to be all rah rah
Now, adjusting the gameplan to the opponent, that I agree with
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 28, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
Been said a lot tonight, but...
It is part of his responsiblilty, but it sure looks like the players have quit on him. Whether fair or not, it is much easier to replace the coach than the players.
by Free Bayless on Nov 28, 2009 8:52 PM PST up reply actions
oh no it's not....
lol who don’t like a good draft lottery party……
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
The lack of effort
Is the most concerning thing about the Blazers. In particular, both PGs (Blake, Miller) play so casually and without care.
The only two players that play hard every night are Bayless and Webster, everyone else just goes with the flow.
Blake does many things poorly...
But playing “casually and without care” isn’t one of them.
laid 2 eggs in a row
Nate— taking out Oden and Webster 5 minutes into the game isn’t working, and it was never a good idea.
i was about to start an online petition to increase only Oden's foul limit to 8
but then again he fouled out of a summer league game with a 10 foul limit
Are teams defending the Blazers differently this year?
If so, then the team will need to make some adjustments, and that will take time. They’re not going to sneak up on anyone.
Also, why did I use my 2nd round pick on Brandon Roy?
Roy is hurting my fantasy team.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
The Blazers are pretty easy to defend (as long as you have the right players)
- Crowd the ball handler, Blazers will then turn it over (Roy, Rudy, Miller, Blake are all “up” this year in that category)
- Overload on Roy to prevent penetration, dare him to pass it up to anyone else or throw up a long shot
- Defend LaMarcus with a mobile player that bothers him. Can be a smaller guy.
- Get Oden in any kind of foul trouble, then the coach mechanically will take him out.
- Know that they’ll need ages to find a player in the post, play a ton of 1 on 1 isos, don’t set good picks, and have only 2 rotation players who can penetrate
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by Norsktroll on Nov 28, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Roy, Rudy or Web
need to pass the ball into Oden. That way the floor will unbalance from the weak side rather than from top of the key.
Need to put LA in motion against physical teams to get him better shots and get foul calls.
You are right on the mark with one exception
Your fourth bullet should state (or wait until the six minute mark at which time they will take Greg out and then we get Joel on offense!)
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 28, 2009 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Charles Barkley was right??????
We really dont get any easy shots. Every thing is either a jumper or a contested shot in the paint. When our jumpers arent going in, we end up looking like we did last night and tonight.
2 very bad losses. Hopefully we figure something out.
Another thing is that Brandon and Blake pretty much never find Oden when they drive to the lane. He is open for an easy dunk so often and it never comes to fruition. Sigh…..
Hi fans it Brandon Roy.
And ME.....LaMarcus Aldridge
Blazers have
met with well coached teams prepared to put the blazers into uncomfortable positions. Not playing any good teams hurts you’re competitive preparedness. Now it’s up to the players to respond.
Here is where we went wrong the last 2 games
Its Roy, LMA, Miller or Blake or even Nate. Whether its who starts, chemistry, how minutes get divided up, substitutions, firings, trades, injuries, gel time, energy, effort, who plays or got played, turnovers, media, per, points in the paint, GREG ODEN!, defense, offense, lack there of, over thinking, cold streaks, GOD, rebounds, assists, bad coaching, the shoes, the weather, the egos, the offseason, the preseason, the regular season, the big time contracts, the new players, the pressure…..deep breath!!!
OK—I pick all of the above!
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:55 PM PST reply actions
that way no one can argue me-- i covered all possibilities!!!
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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 8:56 PM PST up reply actions
Does anyone else think?
We should just start developing Oden. Give him Al Jefferson type touches. If he isnt getting better we are not getting a ring anyway. Plus we rely too much on jumpshots if oden develops offensive game then thats a big step forward
by GOGrampas on Nov 28, 2009 8:57 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sarge loves jumpers.
Good luck going with a points-in-the-paint based offense.
by Free Bayless on Nov 28, 2009 8:58 PM PST up reply actions
YES. Also, develop Bayless!
We are NOT winning a ring this year, I don’t know why more people don’t get that
Doing this will also make LMA very happy...
…we will just tell him to develop his 3pt shot, and he’ll be shooting those the rest of his career from Oden kick outs…
…we tell him he’ll get less bruises, ect. ect., and it’ll be like telling a 5 year old that Santa is making a special visit to see him, he’ll love it!
Greg.
if oden develops offensive game
I thought he has been?
but is it where you want it to be?
a jump hook and using his buttocks to back people down isnt his ceiling i believe
u dont get the point.......
since when is feeding a strong big man inside to score a bad offensive strategy?
Well, let me ask you this question. What do you think his ceiling is?
What kind of moves would you like to see him develop?
how about if he takes and makes more shots
he gets more comfortable with it and his offense gets more polished?
Anyone else? I hope everyone else...
thinks that we need to run our offense through Greg. Go inside. He either shoots or gets doubled. When he passes, one more pass and it’s an open shot.
On the other side, go to LMA. Greg has shown he knows to go down opposite block to OReb.
Let Brandon be the official recipient of the FBP…
im tangled up in blue
blowin in the wind
now I need
1bourbon
1 scotch
and 1 beer!!
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by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 9:00 PM PST reply actions
There was no way we were winning this game so I wouldn't overreact to this loss
Tough loss last night. Travel to Utah where we never play well, Boozer on a hot streak, Williams starting to get a groove and we are nowhere near playing to our potential. Plus you knew LaMarcus would press to make up for his effort last night. And we have no perimeter defense (Which is a sure sign of trouble against the Jazz, they aren’t taking it inside other then to kick it out). Just too many variables to overcome.
That being said, we are a long, long ways from being anything other than one and done in the playoffs this year unless we establish A) a consistent lineup, B) a different offense (We are an easy scout, Roy penetrate and score or kick out for threes) and C) commitment to defense (although I really have my doubts that even with commitment we have the skillset necessary to play great defense).
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
Agreed, I am high on Bayless as having a future with us though...and Batum's D is so good that he can pretty much cover the best dude on the other team...
whether it’s the pg, sg, or sf.
no i think bayless should start tuesday
he tries to defend at least, blake tries and can’t. miller barely tries, our biggest problem is penetration on this defensive end, fix that first
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
by PDXBuckeye on Nov 28, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I would consider sliding Cunningham in there too
I think that would be the wake up call Aldridge obviously needs…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Put Web
on a guard like Williams, put blake on the sg and Roy on the sf. This would be a better way to stop penetration.
Straight up man to man D might.
I’m so sick of someone getting the excuse of losing their man and someone else getting the blame becuase of the switch. I don’t have an answer but this seemed a good place to complain about it.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Switching - at least Blake and Roy
in the lineup maniac suggest puts Blake and Roy even further out of position.
we can't pay him
so it hardly matters. the guy will be here two more years and that’s it.
Who prevents us from paying him as a Bird free agent?
As long as Allen or his estate refuse to pay the luxury tax, we can keep who we want out of those guys.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
vulcan enterprises
they aren’t going to just thrown money away at a mediocre team to become “elite”. there will be a limit.
the vulcans are mortal too and are logical they'll know there is no wraith worse than a ptb fans fury and they'll do what they must
to ensure their own survival.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
It's not that we lost, it's how it happened
The Blazers didn’t even compete ffs. Lack of effort, concentration, call it whatever you want, the entire team except maybe Bayless and Webster didn’t come to play.
by BlazerKoolAid on Nov 28, 2009 9:09 PM PST up reply actions
They rarely do in Utah. Even the really good Portland teams.
I thought we did have some energy tonight, it was just misplaced and not smart energy.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Nov 28, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions
Back to the 3 guard lineup!
I kid I kid. I didn’t bother watching this game. Already missed more games this year more than the entire season last year. Knew this was a loss. Blazers can’t win in Utah, especially on a back to back in addition to the poor play. You all missed a great game between ND and Stanford. I want to start a Gerhart for Heisman campaign. Incredible player.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
I was flipping back and forth
Gerhart is stellar, I was rooting for him even after what he did to my Ducks a few weeks ago (mitigating factor: the Cardinal was playing Notre Dame).
that campaign is well underway.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
how i wish
how i wish you were here
were just 2 lost souls
swimmin in a fishbowl
year after year
runnin over the same ole ground
what have we found
the same old fears
wish you were here
a pink floydish ode to my team that used to kick ass 3 games ago!
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions
3's
It would help if we made them more often.
Alternatively, it would help if we rebounded the misses.
btw
A lineup of Miller-Roy-Webster-Aldridge-Oden has played a grand total of 0 minutes this season.
Roy and Miller have yet to play in the backcourt together.
by CleBlazer on Nov 28, 2009 9:07 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
That makes me believe Nate has never completed a puzzle before in his life, a rubix cube, ect. ect....
…honestly, that is unbelievable
That should be the starting lineup
have they really not played a single minute together? I can’t say anything but “wow.” I’m honestly speechless.
Your confusing thesis has captured my attention. Tell me more.
by terryisntbald on Nov 28, 2009 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
Being predictable is fine
but we need to be predictable in way that allows the blazers to dictate play. Using three point shooters (Roy,Web, Rudy) to feed Oden in the post keeps the floor unbalanced. But once that is done then someone must cut through the lane to make one opponent guard two outside shooters. Dare teams to stop this. Teams are only double teaming because they see the blazers have no options when the ball is thrown into Oden.
WHERE IS THE TALKIN' BALL GUY
TO MAKE SENSE OF ALL THIS?
The Blazers were better when Roy was uncomfortable
After back-to-back drubbings my memory is a little fuzzy, but as I recall the Blazers were 7-2 with the three guard line-up? And didn’t that include six road games over that nine game span? Also, aren’t the Blazers 5-5 with the line-up that our max player feels most at peace with?
Maybe Roy’s going about this all wrong, he’s focusing too much attention helping out Nate with his coaching responsibilities and not enough on KP’s job.
Allow me to suggest: Oden and Webster for Channing Triple,
and Andre for Sergio…done and done.
Problems solved, we get our superstar completely comfortable and we’re already on our way to a 55 win season and another first round loss. Oh happy days will soon be here again.
i have posted too much in here today
and im Bowdown who got banned. muhahahahahahaha
peace
the devil went down to portland
he was lookin for a soul to steal
he was in bind
cuz he was way behind
and he was lookin to make a deal
When he came upon this young man
shootin bball and playin’ it hot
And the devil jumped
Up on a hickory stump
And said boy let me tell you what
I guess you didn’t know it
but I’m a bball player too
And if you care to take a dare
I’ll make a bet with you
Now you play a pretty good bball, boy
But give the devil his due
I’ll bet a ball of gold
Against your soul
‘Cause I think I’m better than you
The boy said my name’s Brandon
And it might be a sin
But I’ll take your bet
And you’re gonna regret
‘Cause I’m the best there’s ever been
Brandon drive to the hole
and try to finish hard
Cause hell’s broke loose in Portland and the devil deals the cards
And if you win
you get this shiny trophy made of gold
But if you lose the devil gets your soul.
The devil opened up his case
And he said I’ll start this show
And fire flew from his fingertips
As he let a 3 point go
Then he pulled down the rebound
And it made a evil hiss
And a band of demons joined in
And it sounded something like this….
When the devil finished
Brandon said well you’re pretty good old son
Just sit right in that chair right there
And let me show you how it’s done
He played Fire on the Mountain
Run boys, run
The devil’s in the Of the Rose Garden
chicken in the bread pan pickin out dough
Granny does your dog bite
No child, no
(in 2010)
The devil bowed his head
Because he knew that he’d been beat
And he laid that golden trophy
On the ground at Brandons feet
Brandon said, Devil just come on back
If you ever wanna try again
I done told you once you son of a bitch
I’m the best there’s ever been
And he played Fire on the Mountain
Run boys, run
The devil’s in the House of the Rose Garden
Chicken in a bread pan picken’ out dough
Granny does your dog bite
No child, no
The Dude: Hey, careful, man, there's a beverage here!
by cavejunctionblazer on Nov 28, 2009 9:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Our offense is truly offensive...
First play of the game, Roy throws a lazy pass for a quick turnover, down 2… tone set…
Telling early sequence: Blake misses 3, Blake blown by for 2, Blake turnover…
Roy iso… Flaming Bag Pass (FBP) to Dre, who (surprise) bricks a 3…
I don’t know if other teams do this, but when the Blazers call a play… there seems to be ONLY ONE guy we’re looking for… Look if when I am watching, and I can see this, so can the other team… For example…
OK, Blake up top, everybody but Rudy standing still, Rudy going crazy running off picks
left and right, and surprise, the pass is to Rudy…
OK, guard up top,. everybody clear out for LaMarcus.. everybody got that, we’re clearing out… 1 guy on this side of the court…
OK, BRoy top left 3 pointer… nobody else moving… here he comes….
Ben, I’d like to request a new statistical tracking cateogy: the FBP…
We have two guards, Steve and Brandon, who I think must have made a pre-season bet on who could throw the most FBPPM…
In fact, I now believe that the FBP is, indeed, the last option in Nate’s awesome offense… (Dribble, dribble, dribble.. if no shot, FBP.. to whoever the D leaves open…. excellent strategy, let the D decide our shooter! Wish we could do that..)
I can't remember
a team I’ve followed before these Blazers throw so many flaming bags so often. It’s remarkable.
Interesting plus minus stats from tonight
I put zero credence in one game plus minus, but did find this interesting:
Aldridge -22
Roy -22
Blake -23
Pryzbilla -17
That’s 4/5ths of our starting lineup from last year and our veterans. Not good.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
Plus minus don't lie...
at least tonight…
Man, do we need some home cooking…
Like against Memphis?
Our home court advantage isn’t that great this year either.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
And after the next 2 games (Miami, Houston) a long east coast trip is coming up
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
But 2 of those should be fairly easy wins
Indy and NY should not give us much trouble.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
lol
now is not the time to start overlooking anyone…
One would hope so, but who knows?
Indy has Dunleavy returning now into the lineup, Granger is a bit dinged up but can still go for 25, Murphy is also coming back from a smaller back injury. And the Knicks just run run run. If you run with them, you might get screwed.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
who are we kidding we've imploded.. the more I think about it the more i'm certain...
we’re going to have to trade roy.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
GSW whupped us.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Lakers just did them in Oakland 130-97 tonight...
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
I gave up my beer money for a chance to see the Blazers play at MSG next month. If they lose to the knicks I may post several incendiary fanposts that should most certainly be fanshots.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
I’m confident you could come up with something more incendiary and substantial than “Portland, we have a problem”.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Maybe I’ll just ask a bunch of sarcastic rhetorical questions:
“Oh, really, Portland? We need to get Roy’s contract done immediately? It’s insulting that we haven’t extended LMA yet? Well where are these fans now? Are they rushing to defend these guys?”
I’ll essentially sound like AM radio.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 28, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions
the problem with getting paid
is the people paying to see you expect something in return.
Roy is not leading right now and LaMarcus is not playing aggressively. They are getting paid now, these things should not be problems. I like these two guys a lot, but I am not going to waist a lot of time feeling sorry for them if they are not even putting close to the effort they did last year out there…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Frankly, I don’t know what’s wrong with the team right now. I don’t think Roy or LMA feel like they’re not trying as hard. I watched the Memphis game and felt mostly like the problem was poor shooting. I didn’t watch the game tonight so I can’t say anything about it. I do find it funny though that everyone here always knows what to do.
And I’ll end by saying that the idea that fans would expect something from the players because they are get big contracts is ridiculous.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 28, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
I think expecting more than we have seen before is ridiculous
but expecting some effort comparable to before they got paid is not…
PRO Basketball is a profession, there are expectations that go with every job, the first usually is effort. Even in a bad year in a normal job you don’t get fired if the effort was there, it is when there is no effort you get in trouble.
These guys are on long term contracts so they are fine, but the fans will expect better effort than they have been giving so far. you might not agree that people should expect that, but they do.
Why do you think so many friendships go south after one lends money to another, expectations usually are not met and they both end up mad at each other.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
I think they're the ones that are asking for them to play Defense.
but I like the questions nbfruit i like the questions.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Come back Jeff Pendergraph
Boy do we miss Jeff eh?
We had BETTER KILL MIAMI!
Because I’m pissed right now.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I'm confused
Did the Blazers play a game tonight? Are you sure? I flipped through all the channels (well, between football games) and I’m pretty sure I didn’t see our professional basketball team engaged in competition tonight.
We miss - wait for it - Travis.
Not tonight so much, but yesterday during that god waful dry spell, he would have helped. I know he was supposed to be a defensive liability, but honestly, is this team better defensively with him out? Not that he would have won either game, but he can get a shot off and stop some runs and keep the offense from looking quite so pathetic.
travis would have been useful last night for sure
we miss that shoot anything from anywhere guy that won’t stop running around on either end of the floor. That energy is contagious sometimes…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Bayless is the new and improved Travis...
I think after tonight’s performance, Bayless may see increasing minutes (with the Inferno) as the “Energy Guys”… Nothing is going right… sick ’em Jerryd!
Not.
Bayless is the new and improved Travis…
Apples and oranges.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Dittos. For different reasons.
"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal
A season of adjustment, but the effort/energy thing is unexpected
Seeing so much lackluster effort is hard to take. The team kept up its energy during last year’s brutal schedule stretch. This year it is falling apart. Roy is out of synch for some reason. McMillan is going to have to prove he can coach now. This ship is starting to list badly.
Trade Nate!
Once you think about all the adjustment needed to ioncorporate Miller
and realize he’ll be departing at about the time the team should be seriously contending, you wonder why they bothered.
fbp
You’re right on with the fbp idea. The only problem is they pass to guys who are covered with no time to shoot even when they have a shot.
grrrrreat.. now we're stuck with 2 z bo sized contracts...
I jest….. ;)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
that occurred to me too,
but LMA and BRoy are still the team despite a couple poor showings by the team as a whole… we just need to get organized
It's frustrating
to see back to back games where opposing players just keep making shots. What’s wrong with the Blazers? Why can’t we get shooters like that? I’m tired of Brick, brick, brick, brick…….
Also, I think Bayless deserves to start. He play’s with fire and fire is what this team needs. Also he is the ONLY player right now that can drive to the hoop even with the lane clogged up. Dante should be getting some more minutes too. Great energy there.
I hope the team gets to brake down tape of the game and see what they DON’T do that other teams are doing.
I hate to see this team regress.
I think the team has tuned Nate out....
Not sure exactly why. Could be him saying in training camp that the guys who played the best would start. That they would earn it. Yet he refuses to give Dre his due time in the starting lineup. Which I think only pleases Roy. I think the rest of the guys believe Dre should be starting. Well I guess it makes Blake happy also.
He also has some complex about getting young players their due time. Which is surprising that Dante has gotten in the rotation. But with Greg and Bayless he just refuses to try and develop these guys. Especially Greg being a #1 pick and the potential to be a force. Yet Nate still takes baby steps with him. Its frustrating to most fans and its gotta be frustrating to Greg.
I think Nate was the guy to get this team turned in the right direction. His whole Sarge mentality and micro managing every aspect of the game worked with a bunch youngsters. But you have guys getting paid now and more vets. He’s gotta take the reins off and let these guys get after it or he needs to go. Also the whole 1st and 2nd unit thing is way to big of a deal to him. As well as his mechanical substitutions. Play the best 5 and substitute when NEEDED!! Just my 2 cents.
by blazer_bob on Nov 28, 2009 10:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Nate might be feeling
the need to do better than last year. In answering that he’s taken to try to win as many games as he can. A natural response to last years success.
My guess is that he wanted some veterans so that he could both win and allow young players to develop.
I think it will work, but he, the team, and us ( the fans ) will have to be patient, because, like tonight, we will lose games against good teams as the guys learn to play together and improve their respective games.
It’s fine to tell the team to man up, but that only works when the skill level is there, and it’s not yet. It will get there but an investment in losses will be necessary to be consistent winners against good teams.
The schedule has not been friendly either because I think you can see a lack of practice time in the way that the team responded to the double teams of Memphis and Utah. Hopefully this week of low activity will allow the team to practice and learn how to beat that kind of strategy.
Remember the seed doesn’t matter (just ask Cleveland), it is how well you’re playing at the end of the season.
This is very upsetting to see Portlands utter an Total lack of game the last two games.
I’ve been one saying they have been playing like garbage even in the big wins over the weaker teams ..
I knew they were playing like garbage, but to get blown out in consecutive games like this .. is just embarrasing ..
And very frustrating .. Come on Portland get you’re crap together an play like a pro team .. not a highschool team ..
We had a clear chance to try to go for the Division win this year…
Now with a 1 1/2 game lead .. Denver might just win the division outright this year .. with Portland playing like utter an total garbage ..
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1 1/2 game lead this early in the season
does not mean that Denver will win the division. Don’t give up this early, we have a lot of time to figure things out.
Mark my words... Dante Cunningham will be an all star
by roynfernandez on Nov 28, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions
You do remember it was a no game lead the NW division leader won the division on last year right ?
NW division is the most competitive division in the NBA. Any team with a 1 1/2 game lead can ride that all the way to the end of the year for a division crown.
Thats how good Denver is.
And that is how badly Portland is playing right now .. an its tickin me off ..
Nate has to do something about this .. But the players are not innocent in this its because of thier lackadasical playing .. that Portlands been put in this position.
Portland just flat out has got to do something about this . Right now .. Tighten that ship up ..
division title?
the blazers need to worry about making it back to the playoffs first. they aren’t in denver’s league right now. the team they just got blown out by was beaten soundly by okc a few nights ago.
it’s safe to say the blazers are among the 4 best teams in the NW ;)
division title talk at this point seems optimistic.
This game had three things in common with the Memphis loss.
1. Our centers played like crap again.
2. Andre Miller and Steve Blake both look horrible.
3. Are we playing man defense or zone? Who knows! Let’s just not challenge shooters at all and pray they miss!
"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons
Just in case you guys are unaware
The Jason Quick recap is up. You need to brace for impact.
Roy was reminded that Oden has been effective, entering the game second in the NBA at 63.2 percent, and when asked how all three offensive options can work together, he chuckled.
“I don’t know. That’s why coaches coach,” Roy said. “I just go out there, you know? He’s the coach.”
Roy said he has seen this coming for weeks.
How can Roy be expected to work his magic
with a productive center clogging the lane?
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
This, folks, is why Portland needs JVG.
1. JVG runs the pick-and-roll effectively on offense.
2. JVG defends against the pick-and-roll effectively.
3. JVG knows how to utilize a true pivotman on offense.
4. JVG has the cojones to tell Brandon Roy to “sit down, shut up, and play some [insert profane word here] defense!”
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I am contemplating Lawrence Frank.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 29, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions
3 & 4, maybe
but Jeff’s playing days are way behind him. No P&R for him…
by blacknoiseNW on Nov 29, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
JVG basketball can also be extremely boring and unimaginative. Just sayin’.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 29, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
Yes, but the offense can be fixed with an unimaginative scheme that involves the pivotman.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Lawrence Frank runs his offense through Lopez and is a basketball genius.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 29, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
Maybe so, but I still want some JVG in my life.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
you gotta admit, Frank is a good coach that could be available. His teams are also more watchable :)
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 29, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions
I consider Lawrence Frank to be an average coach, so no doubt there.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Winning championships is fun.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 29, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
Earlier tonight, I said I felt like Nate should simply throw himself under the bus tonight
He should simply have said “This is my fault,” to show the players he holds himself responsible too. He didn’t, and based on the reaction of the players, I feel stronger about my opinion than before.
Brandon’s reaction is what gives me pause. if Brandon is okay with a new coach midstream, I bet the entire team is. Brandon was Nate’s favorite.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 29, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
somewhere, Jerryd Bayless is holding a silent vigil, desperately hoping…
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 29, 2009 12:27 AM PST up reply actions
Let's hope that Dallas doesn't fail in NJ.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 29, 2009 12:29 AM PST up reply actions
Quicks recap:
This caught me -
Afterward, in the locker room, there was an array of outlooks, with some like Roy waving red flags about the team’s play while others like Oden and Aldridge only willing to say that the season still offers time for kinks to be worked out.
And, of course, there was Miller’s benching, which caught everyone by surprise, none more so than Miller. It appears Miller has the team’s full support, as he engaged in lengthy conversations with Przybilla and Blake on the bench, and then drew the concern of Roy. Then, after Miller gave a noncontroversial interview, during which he answered every question professionally, Oden tapped him on the knee and offered a fist, which Miller bumped.
What were once smoldering hot spots on this team have suddenly taken spark, presenting McMillan with his biggest challenge in this new era of successful Blazers basketball. And for the first time, it doesn’t appear McMillan has the unquestioned support from key players.
Okay, here's an official AK1984 prediction.
Mike Budenholzer will be a KP approved coach of the Portland Trail Blazers by 2010.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Who?
I really don’t know who that is, and while it may make me seem uneducated, it doesn’t hurt to ask.. who?
I did!
Thank you, though. He sounds like an interesting coaching prospect, although I do also like the idea of hiring JVG (because I don’t mind boring offense as long as the defense is competent) with perhaps trying to add Lawrence Frank to the assistant staff.
It sounds like Frank will be fired after they return from the road trip, and to be honest I’d like to scoop him up if he’d be willing (although he’ll probably wait the year out) if Nate doesn’t get his walking papers any time soon just to help out.
Of course, with the open questioning of Brandon I don’t know what will happen with Nate – that’s a huge red flag, especially (hopefully?) if you’re KP.
Does it seem like Roy resents McMillan
for complicating what last year was a top offense?
It seems like there are 3 opposing camps in the locker room:
1. Nate
2. Roy/Aldridge/Blake(mainstays of last year’s success)
3. Oden/Miller/Fernandez(players whose emergence complicates the status quo)
Seems like Nate wants to try to please everyone but is pleasing no one. He can’t seem to get through to his leaders, and when he placates one group, he automatically alienates the other.
"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."
In this way, I do feel for Nate McMillan.
It seems that he’s stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Suffice it to say, though, McMillan’s basketball acumen is lacking, so screw him.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
There are certainly two camps....
I’m sure there is an old guard (Roy, LMA, Blake, Pryz) vs new guard (Miller, Oden, Rudy, Bayless) issue. Nate clearly has backed the old guard, so far…
Quick’s article feels like the biggest Blazer news story since the Grizz signed Miles
I’m still in "wow" mode over here right now. Assuming you can trust Quick, there were signs that Brandon was wondering why Miller didn’t play more, and Miller didn’t know. If that’s accurate, that means Brandon is eliminated as the person behind Miller’s minutes and benching.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 29, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
by Timmay! on Nov 29, 2009 12:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 29, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions
Not so fast...
Brandon may have been wondering why Miller didn’t get his usual backup 20, instead of his out of the rotation 6…
You really don’t think that Brandon’s public comments from Day 1 stating that he prefers playing next to Blake had any impact? (What about his private comments?) Aren’t he and Nate ‘close’? (Which is it?)
Sorry timmay, but I don’t see the jump in logic required to make your conclusion. This one statement can co-exist with the numerous others he’s made openly (and to the deteriment of the team) prefering Blake to Miller.
Yes, and that is what may predicate a mid-season change.
Yet, as much as I want JVG, I expect that Kevin Pritchard will make Mike Budenholzer his hire as head coach.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
What can you tell me about Mike? What are his strengths & weaknesses?
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 29, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions
Here's a good article from Sac-Town Royalty regarding Mike Budenholzer.
http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2009/4/10/829790/the-case-for-mike-budenholzer
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
It's very high on the search list too
It was the first article I read on the search. It was interesting to see other search results were about other teams (like Phoenix) also considering his services.
Mike Budenholzer wouldn't make a great mid-season hire, but he'd be an ...
appropriate off-season hire. As an interim head coach, I could envision Monty Williams. Williams, however, doesn’t appear to have the basketball acumen that Mike Budenholzer possesses. Quite frankly, I hope Williams is fired along with Nate McMillan, as well as Dean “Zone D” Demopoulos and Joe “Summer Leauge” Prunty.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
The Blazers will keep Lucas in some capacity if there is a coaching change.
Just possibly not in a coaching role.
He could stay on as a liaison, but that's it.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
They'll take care of Mo Lucas.
They’ll create a job if necessary. Liaison is a reasonable possibility.
They definitely will take care of him.
No way they let the man lose a job with the organization while battling cancer – none at all. Some type of role the same as The Schonz, or as a simple adviser to the big guys so he can still be around the team when able to do so.
For obvious reasons, he should retire.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
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Hrm. That’s a reasonable possibility, especially considering KP’s history with the Spurs.
I’d suspected for a while that KP would go for a less-established coach if he replaced Nate. It’s why I was always annoyed with the “well who would you replace Nate with?” questions, because most likely it would be someone we wouldn’t suspect.
Both MB and LF would fall under my list of less (or non) established coaches that could gel long-term with KP.
I dont want to guess but rather have more of a sure thing.
Why experiment at this point, and a coach who has never been a head coach is an experiment. See Mo Cheeks…
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