Game 18 Recap: Blazers 96, Memphis...WHAT???
Oh. 106. Ouch.
There's a fine line between coming into a game expecting to win and coming into a game feeling entitled to win. Riding a pretty good streak of beating weaker teams (and yes, teams that start with "M") the Blazers appeared to come into this game squarely on the wrong side of that line. Portland has found success in recent weeks by setting up Greg Oden and/or LaMarcus Aldridge early, forcing the defense to compensate and letting the offense flow from there. The early offense in this game read "jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper, jumper". You have to get to the 6:33 mark in the first quarter before the Blazers even attempted a shot at the rim and that was a Brandon Roy putback. Portland had no attempts at the rim in the quarter other than those following offensive boards. None. Now granted, some of those perimeter shots were falling. In fact 3 of Portland's first 4 made shots were threes. But you knew this spelled trouble. It was like the Blazers didn't feel they had to try that hard tonight. Add in a few sloppy turnovers and nobody realizing the clock was running out when the Blazers had the ball for the last possession of the period and that impression was confirmed.
The second period was pretty much more of the same. A layup by Andre Miller at the 10:03 mark broke an 8+ minute scoring drought and ended a 21-0 run by the Grizzlies. But by that time Memphis was percolating with confidence. Everything they were tossing up was going in. The Blazers, meanwhile, continued to miss jumpers. Portland's second unit came up dry. Only an extended burst of energy by Brandon Roy kept the period from being a complete massacre. On the other end Portland started over-pursuing pretty hard on all penetration and picks. This took the big men out of the middle and allowed the Grizzlies even easier buckets. The Blazers had lost the first quarter by 14. They lost the second quarter by 8. They went into the locker room down 22.
Portland tightened up their board-work in the third period and seemed determined to make a run at the game. There were two basic problems. First the defensive shortcomings continued. As perimeter players got beat everybody scrambled to cover and Memphis got open shots which by this time were like child's play to them. Second, the Blazers still seemed convinced they could win this game by hitting more jumpers. To be fair, the Grizzlies were doing a pretty good job with their interior defense. They sent two and three guys at any penetrator. Hasheem Thabeet had one of his best games ever, taking advantage of his teammates' help to shut down the middle. Nevertheless Greg Oden and Brandon Roy broke through and made the quarter respectable. On the other end Memphis started to relax and shoot outside themselves. The result was a 24-16 quarter in favor of the Blazers and hope swelling among the home crowd.
The Blazers finally displayed a little offensive energy--drive and kick, drive and finish--as the fourth quarter commenced. You wondered for a minute if they could get away with that awful first half. They scored at the free throw line, mixing it up a little bit with all of those threes they kept taking. Quite a few of those threes fell in this period though and Portland ended up with a dandy 33 on their side for the period. They were down 14 to start, so they needed to hold Memphis to 18-19 points to make good. No such luck, though. The defensive effort was as lackluster as the offense was spirited. The Grizzlies were scoring at the rim, scoring off of drives, scoring off of wide-open jumpers. Portland even tried to mix it up by throwing on a press but that was only a short-term disruption. The Grizzlies scored 29 in the period themselves and that was the ballgame.
As far as team stats, one need look no further than the 54 points the Grizzlies scored in the paint compared to Portland's 34. Reading that, the percentages become predictable. Memphis shot almost 54% while the Blazers couldn't clear 41%. Even though Portland shot a fantastic 10-24 from the three-point arc it wasn't near enough. In fact in this game it turned out to be fool's gold.
Click through for Individual Observations, an extended Final Thoughts section, and Links.
Individual Observations
It's my long-standing practice that when the team gets shellacked you have to go above and beyond in order to get a positive mention in the Individual Observations section. Long story short, everybody stunk up the joint in that first half. Nobody helped each other much. Everybody let important things slip. The team was more energetic but in some ways just as fractured in the second half, particularly defensively in that fourth quarter. So figure everybody gets a grade of "D" for this game with the following footnotes:
Brandon Roy at least tried to lift the team out of its funk. He was the first guy to light a spark that lasted more than two possessions. He had 26 points, 9 assists, and 8 rebounds. Then again Rudy Gay was using him up, especially in that second half. So it's not a free pass for him...more of a nice try.
Greg Oden went for 13 with 10 rebounds and 3 blocks in 28 minutes. He did pretty well on offense when he got the ball. He just didn't get it consistently enough...or at least not consistently enough in positions where he could do something with it. He was holding the ball at the free throw line (not on a foul shot...during active possessions) a couple of times and looked completely lost. Memphis took full advantage of every Blazer who could do just one thing on offense tonight and they left Greg completely alone out there, daring him to shoot or pass. Neither possession went well. On defense he was one of the main guys running around and getting out of position. That wasn't really his fault. The perimeter guys needed help, especially when encountering screens. He was a little slow in recovering at times, but they asked him to do too much instead of letting him camp out.
LaMarcus scored 16 but Zach spanked him late. It looked like LMA was either unmotivated or upset as the game dwindled down. The loss? Not enough shots? Or maybe I was seeing things.
Martell Webster scored 24 on 6-11 three-point shooting. He also had 3 blocks and 5 rebounds. That's a "Bravo!" for sure. But the game would have been better if the rest of the team hadn't tried to imitate him.
Final Thoughts and Links
For those wondering (or yelling) about how much coaching played into the loss, I will say this. The rotations didn't look that different tonight. Most of the guys came in at most of their usual spots with the exception of Roy and Aldridge playing serious minutes late in an attempt to secure the comeback. It looked like a night where nothing clicked, however. That in itself isn't unusual. Rick Adelman occasionally had to scream and tip over tables at halftime and this was with a NBA Finals-level team. Bill Schonely used to routinely describe Jack Ramsay as "searching for a lineup that works". I'm pretty confident the words "Don't take this team for granted" were uttered in the pre-game discussion but one never knows how much they sink in.
Coaches are generally responsible for long-term patterns more than short-term snags. Once upon a time I put in a lot of months driving on icy roads in the Midwest. You learn pretty quickly that subtle, steady moves (and corrections, if necessary) are the way to go. Crank the wheel, jam on the breaks...no matter what you're reacting to you're going into the ditch. You want to judge a coach on the entirety of the drive, not just one corner. You certainly don't want to see him veering back and forth. The entirety of the drive so far has still been good despite the pothole losses to Golden State and Memphis. So overall I think we're still good.
Two overall trends cause me some concern, however. These are not new at all. They've been around for a couple years. But we should be growing past them now and at least in games like this we don't appear to have. The first is the one we mentioned a hundred times last year and again entering the season: defense against screens. We reverted to Bad Mismatch Land tonight and it cost us. I'm not entirely sure if this is a coaching issue or a personnel issue. I tend to think some of each. Our guards simply aren't doing enough to fight opposing picks. Our big men are getting stranded in places they shouldn't be.
The second issue is the lack of an organized offensive back-up plan when teams just go for broke and swamp our scorers every time they touch the ball. Half the time we manage a decent possession but the other half looks ugly. And even if you shoot 70% on those good-half possessions, that still only leaves you at 35% overall (because the ball ain't goin' in on those ugly ones). The team looks confused when the bum rush comes. Guys aren't moving to any kind of threatening position. The scorers seem to have no idea where any outlets will be. When you have a couple guys running at you the best remedy is a quick flick to an open man, preferably a cutter on his way to the hoop. But despite the defense spending that extra man (or more) there's nobody open, let alone cutting. That's just bad offense. Again some of this may be personnel. Many of our guys make decisions easy for the defense. Play Miller for the drive, make Blake and Webster dribble, just don't let Przybilla dunk, etc. That cuts down on the amount of real estate those extra defenders have to cover. Also some confusion was inevitable coming into the year with new prominence for Oden, a new point guard in the rotation, and the forward positions shuffling around. When you think about it Roy and Aldridge are the only true constants from last year. Adjustment will require time. But we're approaching a quarter of the way through the season now. Unlike some I'm not at the point of pushing the Red Alert button yet. But I'm eyeing the half-season mark and thinking we need to see tangible improvement by then. I'm confident the team will have found its groove by the end of the year but other teams will have also seen the Blazers multiple times by then and will be ready to apply that pressure. If we haven't gotten well beyond that, to the point of making the next adjustment really, we're likely to get caught with our pants down.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=291127022
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Enter the final Jersey Contest form of the month here. Our Contest Master says the Minnesota snafu should be sorted out by the end of the weekend, so officially we won't know who won before then. But either way a new jersey is up for grabs in December.
Final, Final Thought
In the normal course of things you'd expect the Blazers to win the home game against Memphis and possibly to lose the road game in Utah. A win tomorrow night would make good for this loss.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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If there was a way I could forget I attended the game tonight
I would.
I have never seen a team be that dominant over a 8 minute stretch (31-2 run) except for the Dream Team in 1992.
And yes, the refs were loose but they were equally loose. And yes we had lots of shots lip out, but we have to be able to overcome that.
When I looked up at the scoreboard at the half and saw we had four LESS assists than Memphis, that kind of told the tale.
Beat Utah.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
I have been a quiet Blake defender, not that I thought he was a better player than Miller
I’ve been a quiet Blake defender, not that I think he’s a better player than Miller
but I did think that Nate’s rationale for using them the way he has been made some kind of sense. But Blake’s play has been so abysmal. It’s as if he’s trying to show that he can do some of the things Miller can do, and it’s not going well. His constant pulling up when he could push the ball. The complete inability to hit Oden when Oden has good position and then passign him the ball a second or two later after Oden is back on the high post. Overdribbling. It makes me wish Bayless inspired more confidence,.
Aldridge was disappointed especially on the boards and on defense. Wow.
by raoulduke on Nov 28, 2009 1:33 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Blake is trying to copy Miller
On the lobs. I want to scream at him, “Dude, DO NOT TRY TO LOB IT IN, THAT IS NOT YOUR GAME!”
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Agreed
I’m surprised at what a poor passer Blake is. His only contribution to this team right now, aside from some hustle, is hitting spot-up threes. I do wish Andre could do that, but still, Blake should be coming off the bench for 15 minutes per game. Enough of this. Play the best guys, Nate.
You are the.....
WEAKEST LINK!
We ain’t going nowhere until we have a real point guard. Miller is filler, but Blake is just plain crap. No dribble penetration, no defensive containment, doesn’t move without the ball, constantly gets outplayed and forces the whole defense to rotate to cover his man.
Blazers will never win a championship with Lamarcus as the number 2 option
not when were gettin killed like this in points in the paint.
"im a buffet of goodness"-Channing Frye
GO = number two option.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
After Rudy.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
To be fair
Its rare that a team has four seven footers to throw against you. None of the top teams do.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
They might if they had a offensive that attacked the paint.
LA often gets the ball with shot clock low and nobody moving. Not a whole lot of options there. Granted, he needs to work on his defensive rebounding. But I just don’t think he is being used to his advantages. He can run the floor, but our guards generally can’t- so what’s the point? He can score off of curls, but again who is a willing passer? Him and Oden can work off of each other (once Oden gets a little better), but do they feed Oden enough?
This is a poor offensive team that relies on too much dribbling and one-on-one plays.
LMA was awful, he looked like a rookie out there
ASG lololololololololol
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 28, 2009 9:32 AM PST up reply actions
Defense, defense, defense
Blake (as usual), Aldridge, and Joel looked awful on defense tonight. I know those three are going to get used by some more athletic guys, but Blake can’t fight through a screen to save his life. It’s embarrassing and it doesn’t happen so badly to Andre and Bayless.
I think we can accurately say the team was flat all first half, then came to play in the second. But Memphis is a good team, in spite of their record, and they were able to hold off the Blazers push.
Utah will be a tough game. Let’s not freak out if it doesn’t go our way.
I just can't get my high school gym teacher's voice out of my head
STOP THE BALL, our perimeter guys just can’t do it routinely.
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Memphis has more talent
Than many of the times we’ve beaten so far, certainly Minnesota and probably Detroit and Charlotte. They just gave no idea how to use it.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Er--could Brandon Roy please be allowed to return to his pre-game meditation routine?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Nov 28, 2009 1:47 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
No kidding
Was Brandon out on the floor during the anthem again? This whole “scandal” is so stupid and wrong I have a hard time talking about it. Lack of focus was a serious issue last night.
He was on the floor for the Anthem
I checked.
lamarcus wasnt....
i checked. Canzano said lamarcus wasnt on the floor for his article either. Double standard?
"im a buffet of goodness"-Channing Frye
I'm almost glad this loss happened tonight. The team this year is just not playing Blazer ball.
Yes, we are 12-6. But every game I feel like the blazers are fighting themselves almost as much as the opposition. We still play to the level of opposition. We don’t just play OUR game regardless of who we are playing. We will NEVER go far in the playoffs until we fix this problem of playing the team, instead of just executing our game.
We have too many players that are not playing to their level of talent.
Roy can drive and score at will, but he is settling for jumpers this year.
Lamarcus has shown lately that he has a very nice inside post game, but often settles for jumpers.
Greg…well I like what Greg does a lot, but still he is not being used to his full potential.
Andre is going to the rack a lot, but is still shooting too many jumpers.
Steve Blake…ahhh…don’t even get me started…no wait…I’ll just accept it. I will just accept the fact that despite our primary PG being unable to stay in front of anyone, and despite him making stupid plays ( like picking up his dribble at the top of the key while getting double teamed when the shot clock is running down ), and bricking free throws this year…Blake is our point guard. He is going to play heavy minutes as long as he is here. We could have Andre Miller, Chris Paul, AND Kirk Hinrich, and Nate would still give Blake around 30 minutes a night. I just don’t get it. I truly believe we have 4 players at the guard position that deserve minutes more that Blake, and yet he still gets heavy minutes. I have a feeling Roy is mainly responsible for this.
Even Joel is not the same player. I think he has realized that he is no longer Portlands #1 center, and won’t be as long as Greg is healthy.
I don’t think the sky is falling. Obviously it’s not falling, we are still 12-6. But I think we have coasted A LOT this year. We can no longer coast. I think there is more parity this year than in a long time in the NBA. OKC, Memphis, the Clips, just a few examples of teams that are improved from last year. We needed a wake up that we are just not a great team right now.
I think we needed to get embarrassed to realize just how far we have to go to be mentioned as a title contender.
What do we need? A trade? A line-up change? A stern talking to from Nate? Something more drastic? I don’t know. I do feel strongly that a big change is coming. This team just feels like they are under performing every game.
i thought losing to a team
that played a d league player would have served as that wake up call…friday nights are becoming depressing
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Definately more parity
Last year there were 9 good teams in the west and the rest were crap. This year all of the west teams, except Minnesota, are capable of beating you any given night and already have beaten multiple playoff teams any given night.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
the grizzlies only other win over a playoff team
was over philly, a team the is currently 5 and 11. let’s drop the parity nonsesnse and call this what it is – the blazers losing to an awful team but a large margin at home.
it was an indefensible loss.
McMillan's clockwork substitution of Przybilla for Oden is really starting to frustrate me.
More and more, Oden is proving he’s a more viable candidate for minutes at the pivot, yet Oden can’t seem to crack the 27-28 minute barrier. In fact, Greg has only played more than 28 minutes in a game ONCE the entire season – the overtime loss to Atlanta.
Even worse to me, it seems like all the opposing team’s runs start when Przybilla is brought in. It may just be a coincidence or me projecting, but one way or another, Greg needs to be in the game for 30 minutes a night. Foul trouble or not, he’s got to play. If he fouls out, he fouls out, so be it. I just don’t see the justification for continually yanking Oden so early.
"Ain't nothin' in this world for free."
by Arby on Nov 28, 2009 2:39 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
No ****
He should be dominating every night.But,Nate won’t ALLOW him to.Its like keeping your ferrari in the garage with the cover over it on a beautiful day.Naw,I’ll just stay in the house today.My Ferrari might get dust on it.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 28, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
This is one of the worst decisions I've ever seen a coach make with consistency.
Nate’s usage of Greg is probably the number one problem with the team this year.
I disagree with Dave again
Here is why, you said that you don’t blame the loss on the coach because he kept the rotations the same. But that IS the point! Nate refuses to improvise his rotations from game to game. Oden would have only 1 foul and yet Nate would sit him anyway. By the end of the night, Oden will have ended up playing 25 minutes and only 4 fouls. We have all seen the kind of impact that Greg already has on this team so why try and limit his minutes? His persistence on playing Blake MORE minutes than Miller confuses me, I can try and wrap my mind around the idea of bringing Miller off the bench to control the second unit but Blake should not have the freedom to make mistakes and still remain out on the floor. A couple of turnovers and I’d yank him out just like Nate does with Oden and his fouls. Miss a couple of WIDE-OPEN jumpshots and out he goes. Simple ain’t it!
Another issue I have with Nate is why he would play Roy so many minutes when he clearly couldn’t guard a donkey. He isn’t fittest guy around so what chance will he have when we play tomorrow @ Utah? Nate should have let the second unit try and get back in the game instead of making Roy and LMA play when in hind sight was a blow out loss.
Blake is so that I’d rather see Bayless start and Play the first 5 minutes then bring Miller on. This is what Dallas does with their rookie PG, Beaubois. <- A good player that I might consider trading Rudy for if we didn’t have a young and talented PG waiting on the bench.
by VinnyB on Nov 28, 2009 2:45 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
nate
i think he left Roy and LMA in at the end to teach them a lesson, something ben talked about in his recap. i think he was trying let them know that he viewed the embarrassment that was this game was their fault and he wasn’t gonna let them take the 4th quarter off, that they needed to show some energy or get the booing that they deserved.
and frankly, altho i agree with most of the things you say about nate as general problems of his, they did not affect this game as much as you suggest. this game was lost by our stars awful defense, pure and simple. the best three players for memphis were gasol, z-bo, and mayo, who match up with oden, lma, and roy. there is nothing nate can do if we are going to get outplayed at those three positions (with the exception that roy’s game MIGHT have been better than mayos, but compared with expectations it was far worse). in the end, players make the choices of how much effort they are going to put into a game, and tonight our players chose to play stink-tastically
by gotyourselfastew on Nov 28, 2009 3:31 AM PST up reply actions
it takes 5
players to allow a 20-2 run. under no circumstances can a single substitution be blamed for a 20-2 run. and even if you truly believe that this one substitution caused a 20-2 run, are you blaming nate over przy’s lack of d? shocking lack of accountability from our players if that’s the case
by gotyourselfastew on Nov 30, 2009 4:24 AM PST up reply actions
Thoughts from the game
This was one of the few games of the year I get to see live, (home for Thanksgiving) and this was basically my observation:
- The arena seemed pretty jacked up for a game against Memphis. My thoughts were “Wait, I didn’t know we were playing the lakers tonight?” Guessing appearance of Mr. Randolph had something to do with it. End of the game was greeted with a chorus of boos. Enough said.
- The team was having success going into Greg for the first 6 minutes, and then we completely went away from some reason. When we got down big on second while Greg was out, for some reason the team decided that Roy penetrating with the ball was the way to come back…why? More puzzling since good things happened when Greg got touches in the paint. True, he missed couple close hooks, but he also had couple good assists as well as couple scores early. Instead, he was cleared away for Roy and LA at the high post. It’s sickening how fast this team goes away from its low post threat as soon as Greg misses couple shots early. To me, Oden touching the ball in the paint is like giving good running back the ball. Just because it didn’t break for a big gain first couple tries, it doesn’t mean you go away from it! (Well, I’m an Eagles fan so in my case, we go immediately away from the run but whatever) The usual culprits for not passing to Greg (Roy and Blake) were responsible but Miller and Rudy weren’t looking tonight, either. Yet, Greg still went for a double-double in spite of our guards actively trying to limit his effectiveness.
- When Miller took a spill in the second, he was immediately substituted for Bayless. My immediate thought at the time was “uh oh, we are probably losing this game..” Miller stayed on the bench for some reason but not went to the back for treatment nor in the game…what happened there? Once again, Bayless = SG.
- At half time, I looked up at the scoreboard and saw Blake’s line: 0 1 0 0. The 1 was his fouls. Enough said.
- The main reason for the loss: No one besides Greg blocked out (looking at YOU, LA). My Dad said after the game, "How can Aldridge have 0 fouls? (he had 1 foul in actuality) He’s our POWER forward? (I should have answered “Nope, he’s our soft forward”) That should sum it up, right there. Both our starting forwards combined for 1 foul, so that pretty much immediately says something about how physical we were.
- The second reason for the loss: We, especially our guards, acted like we never saw a screen before on defense. Also, let’s just stop running the pick and roll with Roy since while he understands the pick part, he obviously does not understand the roll part. I’ve seen enough over 4 years to know that since he’ll never pass to the roller, it’ll just allow the other team to double-team Roy. When Tinsley hit a rolling Gasol perfectly on a roll for a layup in the 3rd quarter, my exact words were “Ah..so that’s how a pick and roll actually works…”
by xedubx on Nov 28, 2009 3:37 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
People are going to disagree with me
But I give Memphis a lot of credit.
Sure, the Blazers played poorly, and didn’t really make a game of it. The highlight of the game was Rebecca Haarlow’s interview of Dante’s sister, which was actually pretty good, but the stuff on the floor wasn’t too good.
But I’m going to give Memphis and Lionel a lot of credit. I’ve been nervous about the Grizzlies this year (and told people they could be dangerous this summer). They have a lot of talent, if they could just put it all together. Well, they looked like they are putting it together.
1. No one thought Gasol (and Thabeet) would get any shots on this team, with Zach, Gay, and Mayo. Well, forget that, they are looking inside and finding the big men.
2. With a bunch of gunners, you don’t expect a lot of passing. Well, they moved the ball on offense a whole lot better than Portland, which is part of the reason their defense looked better than ours. OK, Zach took a couple of shots that showed the old Zach is still hiding in there, but even he looked like a team player. Those guys looked like a team on offense.
3. No one expected them to play defense AT ALL. Well, guess what, they are playing defense. They are using Thabeet’s shotblocking to let them overplay, and they were swarming our scorers, as Dave said. If a team will make quick passes to find the open man, you can beat that kind of defense, and we didn’t, but at least they are now playing a defense that you have to beat, rather than just waving a red rag at you as you run past them.
I look for Memphis to win quite a few more games than last year. Lionel Hollins appeared, at least for this game, to have turned them into a team. If they move the ball and put out effort on defense like they did in this game, they’ll make a run at .500 or better, and he’ll possibly be in the discussion for Coach of the Year.
"Woulda, Coulda, Mighta and Shoulda – the Four Horsemen of the Procrastocalypse" - Red-5
by jscot on Nov 28, 2009 3:45 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
No disagreement here.
Memphis looked good. They moved the ball. They penetrated. They knocked down shots. They had a very aggressive, balanced attack that was not easy to defend. Portland looked off-balance and a step slow on defense all night, but a lot of that was just good execution on Memphis’ part.
It happens, you come out flat, you forget what works, and you play a team that gets on a roll. I didn’t like this game, but it didn’t outrage me the way the GS game did. That game was inexcusable and I thought a lot of it had to do with coaching decisions that didn’t make sense. This game wasn’t a total fluke or totally unexpected. Memphis is a young team with loads of talent. They have been playing well of late and they caught fire. Combine that with our guys having an turkey hangover, and forgetting what it takes to beat good teams, and the results were unexpected but not shocking.
I do find it somewhat disturbing that the Blazers seem to fall into the same pattern repeatedly. It is almost as though they have developed a
“Blazer’s Recipe for Failure.”
Combine on a hardwood court:
- 4 cups misplaced jumpers;
- 1 cup lousy foul shooting:
- 4 tbsp missing block-outs;
Stir in:
- 1/2 cup lousy perimeter defense, resulting in Oden fouls;
- 1/4 cup pick and roll problems;
Bake in an oven at 375 for 48 minutes. Season with:
- Roy trying to do too much;
- LMA doing too little:
- Blake doing nothing;
- Oden sitting on the bench or being ignored by teammates
- the bench being AWOL
Serve with a side of stale coaching……
Maybe it was the turkey………
by upper left corner on Nov 28, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed: there were two parts to this debacle
One, of course, was dumb, lackluster play by the Blazers (until it was too late). But the other was excellent play by an underrated team. A friend of mine has been saying, “Look out for the Grizzlies” all season and I"ve been laughing at him. But he was right; there’s a LOT of talent—and length—on that team.
Tinsley appears to be filling the Andre Miller role for them, and that might turn them into a .500 team this season. And in the years ahead, they could be trouble. One thing for sure: once the Blazers let the Griz get rolling, there was no stopping them. There IS more parity in the NBA this season, and last night proved it.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Canzano was right
If Brandon Roy was on the floor instead of in that damn hallway during the Anthem we would have escaped with a W tonight.
He was on the floor
I was at the game and I checked.
Not too surprised by this
The reason for that I can sum up in one word:
Complacency
You could smell it in the air, when the New Jersey game wound up so much closer than it should have been, some of these other recent wins where they had big lapses of concentration. “Ho, hum, another home game against a bad team, no problem.”
But bad teams get better sometimes, start to play with more confidence; when you come out flat and let them get on a roll, that confidence just builds. You can find yourself trying to come back against a team that’s suddenly red-hot – like the Blazers did in this game.
Hopefully this loss will shake them out of their complacency. You can’t take any team for granted in this league, if you do you’re liable to get burned.
Grizzlies attend Professor Nash's lecture, Find Point Guard
(with apologies to the AP, as fine an organization as one will find)…
PORTLAND, Ore. (GPI)—The Memphis Grizzlies, after attending Professor Steven Nash’s lecture Wednesday night, applied the principles of ball movement and movement away from the ball, and defeated the Portland Trail Blazers 106-96 for their fifth victory in seven games.
Memphis (6-10) is still far down in the Western Conference, though it may not be long if the offensive-minded Grizzlies keep it up. Playing against the NBA’s best scoring defense, Memphis poured in a season-high 61 points during the first half. The Grizzlies topped 100 points for the fifth time in six games.
"We opened up a can tonight," Memphis coach Lionel Hollins said.
The Grizzlies scored 21 unanswered points as part of a 31-2 run in the first half to break open the game.
The run started with Portland (12-6) leading 15-11 midway through the first quarter. By quarter’s end, Memphis ran off 18 consecutive points, with Randolph scoring six, to take a 29-15 lead.
The Grizzlies extended their run to 21-0 early in the second quarter before Portland’s Andre Miller made a layup to end the Blazers’ scoreless stretch of 8 1/2 minutes. But it wasn’t over for Memphis. After Miller’s basket, O.J. Mayo and Jamaal Tinsley hit consecutive 3-pointers and the Grizzlies scored 10 unanswered points to build their lead to 42-17.
"We played like our hair was on fire," said Mayo, who scored 19 points. "We knew going into the season that we were going to have some funk in our trunk offensively, but defensively, it takes a team effort, mental discipline and toughness to win.
Memphis maintained control throughout the first half, leading by as many as 29 points before settling for a 61-39 halftime lead. Portland shot only 36 percent (15 of 42) during the first half.
"It was Professor Nash’s lecture," Mayo said.
"It was a campaign of shock and awe from start to finish. They came in and were ready to ball. It was beautiful," Hollins said.
Aside from Randolph and Mayo, Marc "MVP" Gasol had 19 points and 15 rebounds for Memphis, while Tinsley had 16 points and Rudy Gay 14.
Portland, which had won its previous six home games by an average margin of 17.1 points, left coach Nate McMillan dazed and confused for so long it’s not true.
"We thought they were going to utilize the Iverson method of jacking up shots with no rhyme or reason." McMillan said. "But when they applied Nash’s principles of advanced ball movement, we knew we were in for a long night."
Notes: Memphis was observed using a touch pass last night.
by jwoods1 on Nov 28, 2009 6:33 AM PST reply actions 4 recs
this is fiction yes?
rec
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Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
another game
I am so tired of Roy’s passive agressive excuses of Miller and roles and chemistry….the way I see it only Roy is having a problem….why would anyone else have a problem with Miller …he makes most of the team better…why would we ever think Brandon would accept another “star” player on this team if he won’t even accept and try to use and learn from an aging point guard just passing through…are you kidding me? That’s what you get when you tell someone constantly it is their team…Roy on more than one occassion last night stood on his end of the floor when he did not get a call and did not commit the energy to run down to the Griz end of the court to help defend…I love Brandon…blah blah blah but I don’t care what his box scores look like if he does that …and we have an “L” and not a “W” so who cares if he got his numbers….
Nate is even getting tired of Roy's funk
By calling out both Roy and LA last night after the game, it is becoming clear to Nate that if these two can’t get their collective shirt together and start earning the check- he’s not going to be passive about it.
Let’s hope this is a wake-up call to our newest big money earners that they “don’t mean a thing if they ain’t got that swing”
steve blake
Steve Blake, PG 24 0-3 0-2 0-2 0 2 2 2 0 0 2 1 0 0
24 min=no points 2 assits, rebounds, and turnovers
INFERO > Outlaw
Oden for Prez
And twenty minutes of that was spent dribbling under the basket and back out
with no apparent goal
maybe that’s the ‘offense’ :x
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 28, 2009 9:31 AM PST up reply actions
Thats Why
My new nickname for Blake is YO-YO
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 28, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions
just for chuckles..
can someone calculate steve blake’s single game PER for last night.
it would be a good laugh at least.
Is Nate pushing these players into roles that don't fit them?
He tries to get Rudy to play more point from the SG position and Rudy goes into a funk. He try’s to make Martell a play maker on the second unit, Martell goes right into a funk. He moves Roy to SF for the three guard lineup, Roy goes into a funk.
Now I read Blake is seemingly attempting things that are outside his comfort zone…..
Are we forming a funk band?
I don't blame this loss on Nate (since as you said almost everyone sucked), but he is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy with Greg
Greg is in foul “trouble” (i.e. 2 fouls, rarely 3) in the first half? Take him out, and don’t let him be seen again!
Greg is not in foul trouble in the first half? Take him out at the 6 minute mark of the first quarter, and bring him in about 10 to 12 minutes later. Sometimes not at all.
That way he achieves what the opposition only hoped to achieve: Limit Greg’s minutes on the floor. At the end of the game, thus he often ends up with 4 fouls and less than half the available minutes played.
I understand Nate wants to teach Greg the “right” way to handle the defense, not turn it over on offense, not make dumb reach-ins, etc. And in some games it seems to work, e.g. in all games against Al Jefferson Greg showed that he understands he can’t stop a good post player like Big Al every single time, so sometimes he just has to let him go and score 2 easy points, wipe his mouth, lick his fingers (which he does a lot), and continue the game because the Blazers will still need him the next 5 possessions when he might score, might get the rebound, might get the block. And often does.
But at some time he just needs to let him go and find his own rhythm, screw up a few games, score big in a few games. Otherwise it’s no wonder why his fellow young big men get more respect from refs, players, fans, and the media. Greg is very efficient, but without being out there on the floor longer he’ll never be dominant.
P.S.: Brandon, please stop memorializing Allen Iverson by slamming into the nearest pick with no effect at all on defense. AI was the master of that, gambling for steals (which you don’t), taking plays off (which you do, sometimes already not running back and instead arguing with a ref or a player), and looking like he scrambled hard on the next play without achieving anything (which you increasingly do). Play with your feet and your head, stop complaining and get back, give some more directed effort on that end. Stay in front of your man. And not at his side or somewhere in empty space “threatening” a double team. Thank you.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 28, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
I kind of expect these horrible 8-10 minutes stretches where the team looks clueless/gives up
Last night it was extra-bad.
Roy whines fifty times as much as he did last year. His signature move is to fall down and not get back on defense because he’s whining about a foul. He did this four or five times last night which is about his season average. I don’t know if it’s the contract or what but dude isn’t playing like a max deal player – I don’t care what his stats say.
LMA is still afraid to go inside…against Zach Randolph and Thabeet???? Ugh. It’s probably time I come to terms with the fact that LMA is a 6’11" jump shooter. It’s probably time LMA himself comes to term with the fact he’s not gonna be an All Star.
Everyone else was equally bad with the exception of Webster who was ok. Whether it was Blake dribbling around aimlessly or Greg looking perplexed every time he touched the ball, that was an embarassing effort and 20k something fans got robbed last night.
Blazer Fan
Also Nate was as clueless as the rest of the team
Outcoached by Lionel Hollins is bad
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Nov 28, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions
Very disappointed in the result of our max and near max payouts
Roy and Aldridge both look extrenely complacent this year. Its just my opinion but I am really bothered by Brandon and LA’s body language throughout games. Very little intensity…a lot of complaining…….just kind of sour moods….
Its too bad that this seems to be a common experience in the NBA….something abiut the achievement of these huge deals seems to transform players’ personalities (exceptions exists of course…..Kobe seems to never need any help wiht being inspired to dominate)
Roy and Aldridge are playing in a way that reminds me of Simmons’s article describing Oden after the microfracture surgery…that some guys look like they were born to play basketball and some play it because they are just really talented…… In a bizarre switch, Oden now looks like he thrives on the game and is having fun…..while Roy and Aldridge look like they wouold rather be ANYWHERE else but on the Portland Trailblazers.
This is a dumb fan’s opinion with not much to go on…just an observation from watching every game this year…but it bugs me….alot.
There were many plays in this game where LA watched as a rebound went over his head…bounced in front of him….he just looked like he didnt care…no fire or intensity…..
At least Roy seemed like his pride got involved…LA…not so much. What a shame that that kid has unlimited capability and talent and KG-like body…but doesnt have KG’s passion.
BTW…. I hate KG and Kobe. But I respect the way their competitiveness
TP FOR 3
by WhereInTheWorldIsDontonioWingfield on Nov 28, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions
If ya ain't got
Desire ,yo ain’t got ****.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 28, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions
Wanna know why we lost this game?
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1. Oden and Pryzbilla combined had 14 rebounds. Marc Gasol had 15. Looking at the box score it’s easy to go “We only got outrebounded by 5 though!” Trouble is the guys we needed to rebound just didn’t get the job done. LaMarcus had 5 while Zach had 9 for example. Just a poor effort overall from our bigs. We needed more production from them.
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2. What the hell happened to our bench role players? Look at these lines.
- Rudy Fernandez: 18 minutes, 4 pts on 16% shooting.
- Joel Pryzbilla: 17 minutes, 0 pts, 0 assists, 4 rebounds.
- Andre Miller: 21 minutes, 13 pts, 2 assists (seriously 2?!), 1 rebound.
- Jerryd Bayless: Why in the hell didn’t I play more than 4 minutes in this game? Yes he was 0-2 but you gotta give him more of a shot than that. Especially with everyone else off the bench playing like garbage.
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3. Memphis finished with 54% from the field. We can call some of that poor defense but they just made shots too. We finished 40% from the field. Our basic liabilities being Rudy Fernandez and Steve Blake tonight. That’s it really.
"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons
2 assists?
I know Andre had 2 in a row to Webster late in 4Q,so either he had zero for rest of game-which is possible/likely,his First Half was while Portland wasn’t scoring-or some funky score-keeping is happening.
you don't get 2 fouls in 4 min under nate.
cue little bo pete hook on stage.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
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