Gameday Open Thread: Grizzlies vs. Blazers--Post Game
by Dave on Nov 27, 2009 9:30 PM PST
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PrintConverse about tonight's results in this thread while you wait for the official recap and the Media Row Report.
A personal note: I have family in town this weekend and I never get to see them otherwise. So I won't be watching the game until everyone has tucked in for the night which means the recap will be later than usual. Hope you understand.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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The positives first
Nice to see Oden producing every game foul trouble or not
Webster earning his starting spot
Negetives
START FREAKING MILLER (blake ugh)
Aldridge step it up on rebs and scoring
guards look for oden more inside
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
Steve Blake played great tonight
as usual. I enjoyed watching him dribble to the paint and leave his feet with no “out”
GO STEVE!
You think so?
Well Nate does not.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Well you can only hope
After that Golden State loss, he ditched the 3 guard lineup. So maybe he will come to his senses after this horrific loss. And Steve Blakes contribution… of nothing.
Garden Variety Internet Denizen
WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Blake probably has the worst court vision of any PG in the NBA
and he can’t beat anybody off the dribble or create at all other than that I like him
by WildlyRamified on Nov 27, 2009 9:40 PM PST up reply actions
I'll add to this list...
he CANNOT throw an entry pass without telegraphing that he’s going to do it…
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
I certainly hope so
he is somebodys boy.
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 27, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
dON’T bother with a recap dave… burn the DVR this game was recorded on…. it’s that bad.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Royally pissed
Anybody else sickened by all the smiling while
MEMPHIS completely kicked the blosers behinds?
by doomsdaymachine on Nov 27, 2009 9:36 PM PST via mobile reply actions
i hate missing games..
But it looks like I chose a good one to miss! How many minutes did GO play in the first half and how many fouls did he end up with? This is the second night where he had decent numbers but the opposing center had better numbers….and don’t tell me “but if you look at per 36 minutes” because the fact is he’s not getting 36 minutes anytime soon!
by Alaa Abdelnaby on Nov 27, 2009 9:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
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Yup, this auto sub kind of things Nate is doing hurts us big time sometimes. Martel was hot and took him out. Puts in Pryz and the Grizzlies go on a 20-0 right. 20-0 run… that’s unbelievable.
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by brandonmitchell on Nov 27, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
Does the fact that dave didn't watch this game mean we get to call him the jinx?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Impressed by the Grizzlies execution.
Tinsley did a great job of using screens and making the right pass. Gasol must mean “passing bigman” in Spanish. Is it just me, or the Blazers set the worst screens in the NBA? LMA continues to live up his softy reputation. Roy looks bored or too good to play hard at the beginning of games.
Good news is that Webster has found his shooting touch. The guy is playing his heart out.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Our switching on pick and rolls killed us royally, especially at the beginning of the fourth
With Thabeet of all people putting up points
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WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Yeah, I've watched the Kings stop him easily.
We made Tinsley and Thabeet look much better than they really are at those stages of their respective careers. Along with allowing Z-Bo and Gasol to play to their strengths. Mayo, Gay and Conley weren’t even that hot.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I did notice Nate desperate grasping at straws going to zone.
Mayo then promptly hits a wide open 3. This has happened so many times this season.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Well, Nate McMillan doesn't know how to implement a coaching plan that adequately defends ...
against the pick-and-roll. I’ve been rambling about this for a long time — which is why I keep harping about Jeff Van Gundy, who many casual NBA fans abhor due to their asinine disdain for slow-paced basketball — yet, even if McMillan gets a pink slip were this season ends in a disastrous first-round exit, I expect Kevin Pritchard will hire a fellow San Antonio disciple (e.g., Mike Budenholzer) to coach the team. That way, Pritchard can finally put his stamp on the coaching staff. Hell, if y’all look back on it, McMillan was a Steve Patterson hire.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
I consider it hard to teach pick and roll defense to Blake.
He’s running into screens and getting knocked back. Guy is like a magnet to the screen setter.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
Well, none of the guards on Portland are adept at fighting through screens. Scary as it ...
may seem, though, Steve Blake isn’t even the worst guy on the Trail Blazers at going under those pesky picks properly. In fact, Jerryd Bayless — who’s once again proving to be a joke — gets that dishonorable mention.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
He played 3 minutes tonight
. . . didn’t quite get to the punch line.
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
In just under 4 minutes, Jerryd Bayless had 2 personal fouls.
That, without question, is flat-out inexcusible for a perimeter player.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
He averages nearly 8 fouls per 36 minutes
His inability to understand the handchecking rules is very frustrating to me….
RUDY > MJ
bayless is a joke of an nba player
his desperate flailing drives where he prays to be bailed out by the refs are almost as bad as his over-aggressive defense which simply puts us in the penalty quicker.
But really,
what’s the difference between him and Derrick Rose?
Man, Royster, I avoided that inane fan post, which showed sine self-control.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Opposite over hypotenuse self control?
I don’t get it.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
I blame the keyboard, for I meant to type "some" rather than "sine."
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Of course. I just can't pass up trigonometry jokes.
You can measure skill and talent with your eyes, but productivity is shown through statistics.
I think we run the worst pick and roll in the nba... i thought andre would have corrected it, but they just don't execute it...ever!!!
sure the screen gets set, brandon lalegags around it, greg rolls, but the ball never comes….EVER!!….
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Greg sets completely crappy picks
Either he moves away again too early, or the ball handler isn’t even sure which way around the pick will come.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Coaching issue.
LMA and Outlaw don’t even physically touch the defender most of the time.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
The only guy who usually sets killer picks is Joel, and even he wasn’t on tonight – and he’s the wrong guy to roll to the basket. Dante is decent. Miller and Rudy are okay coming off picks, Roy and LaMarcus only for pick and pops. So, probably it’s hard to simulate a good pick and roll offense in training when you have maybe 2 guys who can work one.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Yeah, Greg Oden isn't much of a pick setter. Though, to be frank, I'd rather have Oden develop ...
into a more traditional low block pivotman — such as Artis Gilmore from the days of yore — than a guy whose offense relies heavily on being a pick-and-roll scorer. To me, the 4 is the guy who should most often be setting the high screens up top — which is why I’d love it if Brook Lopez here in lieu of LaMarcus Aldridge, but that’s a pipe dream — unfortunately, though, my vision of basketball doesn’t fit this wussified contemporary style that plagues the NBA. Concerning Portland’s overall ineptitude regarding the pick-and-roll, however, it’s currently a bigger issue on defense than offense—there’s no denyin’ it.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Throw a dog a bone and tell me that we very rarely complete the final pass that a pick and roll is designed to get thrown.
lol
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
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Oden tends to play better when he plays with Andre though. It almost seems like he gets nothing when Blake is in the game, sometimes it almost seems like Blake is running around too much and not looking for actual assists. I have never been so bummed out by a performance by Blake, it was really ugly.
That’s inconsistency and that’s not how you win championships. Sure he can hit 10-20 pts in some games but there is a reason why Andre Miller has really good career averages and has the longest current running consecutive games in the NBA.
If this game does not answer what we have been wondering (Is Blake really our starter) then I don’t know what it takes. Brandon Roy complains saying he can make our 2nd unit better and Andre gets demoted without having a chance.
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by brandonmitchell on Nov 27, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions
hard for Andre to correct the problem when he almost never is involved in the pick and rolls
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
The smilers
Aldridge
fernandez
by doomsdaymachine on Nov 27, 2009 9:39 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Does that tick u off
because you think that they don’t care
by DowntownVinnie on Nov 27, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Rudy's line looks as bad as Blake's
I’d like to have seen the game but I didn’t.
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
Rudy just couldn't make his shots.
He was trying to make plays and bring some energy to the game. Blake did a whole lot of nothing. Basically just pushing the ball up the court really fast then starting the offense.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
You thought Blake pushed the ball?
Blake is the anti-fastbreak. He gets the ball across halfcourt before the 8 second mark, gives it to roy, and prays that Roy does something to make him look like he is an effective nba player….
/ rant against Steve, I get one per loss….
RUDY > MJ
And how many times did Blake dribble into the corner?
It’s so predictable. It’s so WRONG.
I watched online and knew our fate early on
20 footer, followed by 23 footer, followed by 14 foot fallaway jumper, followed by 25 footer, rinse, repeat.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
We basically tried the same run out the clock technique that almost lost us a 20 point lead against DET
the only difference was he had a 4 point lead with 5:46 remaining in the first
by WildlyRamified on Nov 27, 2009 9:42 PM PST up reply actions
games like these happens
to the best of them. cleveland lost to charlotte, boston lost to indiana,
its not the end of the world. this is not an indication of how the blazers will play
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Nov 27, 2009 9:41 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I agree
when you just don’t show up for 10 minutes of the game you can’t expect to win against a team that is executing well
by WildlyRamified on Nov 27, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
10 minutes?
more like 20
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Nov 27, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions
24 to be exact...
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
we were good for the first 4 minutes
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Nov 27, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions
This is Memphis
It is the end of the world when Memphis blows
you out at home
by doomsdaymachine on Nov 27, 2009 9:44 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
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No they don’t. Blow outs happen yes but 20-0 runs don’t.
Our offense wasn’t going and our defense was horrible… I mean super super horrible.
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by brandonmitchell on Nov 27, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions
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for the record when I said games like these don’t happen very often
Memphis’ 21-0 tied their franchise record. But is their longest road run ever.
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by brandonmitchell on Nov 27, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
how about new jersey hanging around in the 4th quarter
and minnesota in a tie mid-way through the 3rd. how about that atrocious blow out loss to golden state or the blown 20 pt lead to detroit.
this loss is very indicative of how the blazers have played. their mediocrity has been masked by the easiest schedule in the NBA. if they continue to play in december at the same level they will fall back to .500 or worse.
jersey contest
Well, I didn’t expect that drubbing. Most of us participating in the jersey contest probably took a hit. Haven’t read an update on the Nov. 21 Minnesota game yet…sure hope the results are tallied before tomorrow evening, ’cause it could affect how risky/conservative my Utah entry guesses are.
Nets (0-16) one loss from NBA's worst start ever
by portlandgiirl91 on Nov 27, 2009 9:43 PM PST reply actions
I dont see LeBron going there if thats the case.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
it'd be a nice story to rebound from .... the stuff legends are made of.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
On a positive note, I was positively surprised that the team could play a decent full court press over longer stretches
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
They are going to be tired tommoro in Utah.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
They'll probably kick the crud out of Utah
Either that or be 40-pieced.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
At Salt Lake City in the tail end of a back-to-back set, the Utah Jazz > the Portland Trail Blazers.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Stranger things have happened
Like tonight for instance.
The Jazz have their own issues.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
they will get worked like a speed bag in utah tomorrow
at least we’ll get to watch the worst starting pg in the league play another 20 + minutes of atrocious basketball. that’ll make it worth it.
Chris Duhon is the worst starting poing guard in the NBA today.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Damn ACC point guards
anyone got Chris Paul on speed-dial?
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
It's no big deal, for Steve Blake is somewhere in the bottom five of that list.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Yeah, Chris Duhon has been hideous this season.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
hideous is a compliment
i was angry when i called blake the worst. he’s not but he is indeed awful and taking minutes away from better players.
actually it’s mcmillan that’s taking those minutes away from better players.
Yeah, hideous is an understatement. Heck, N.Y. may as well take a shot at A.I.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
that's such a good point
give him a one year deal, i mean you don’t have your own lottery pick this year anyway so why not win a handful of games and sell some jerseys.
Exactly, Allen Iverson would help boost ticket sales and merchandise ...
revenue without holding anyone down — as Toney Douglas is a complete non-prospect — therefore, the New York Knicks might as well go for it. It’s a no-lose proposition. At worst, A.I. could theoretically go Latrell Sprewell on Mike D’Antoni or something. The likelihood of that is next to nil, though.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Its funny that people
are saying they want the old Roy back while also wanting Dre to start. Are you guys that oblivious? Its obvious Roy wants no part of Miller and he will continue to play this way as long as Miller is on this team. Its not his fault KP screwed up and brought in the wrong player.
It is quite obvious that Roy is playing bad because of Miller.
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
sorry but
you arent going to see all-nba second team roy with him playing off the ball. Get used to wondering if he’s out there or not.
Roy cannot blame his problems on playing off the ball. It has more to do with the defense that is being put on him.
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
hes not exactly playing off the ball all that much more than last year
i see a lot of Roy initiatiing the offense, so hard to blame it on that
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
So what is Miller doing to Roy? Not giving him the ball, or not taking the 3?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Its not Millers fault that Roy is stuck between being a PG,or shooting guard.
Roy cant create like a point guard, and Roy cant slash of the ball, or go to the rim like a shooting guard.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
When did Roy turn into Juan Dixon...
…in people’s minds?
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions
Roy needs to take responcibility for his own play and effort.
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Roy is a little of both a PG, and a shooting guard, but he is not true PG ot true shooting guard.
If bring Miller a true point guard, Roy still cant get easy buckets from Millers set up, and you cant start Roy at PG cuz he wont set up Rudy or GO,like Miller does.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Roy seems to do fine as a SG tho
he was freaking 2nd team all NBA last year.
Certainly, something is off—but he’s not a “tweener”. He’s got the size to play SG. OTOH, he’s a ball-handling SG like Jordan or Wade or Drexler, not an off-the-ball SG like Rip Hamilton or Ray Allen.
There may be chemistry issues with Miller, and Blake has kinda stunk this year, but Roy isn’t what I would call a tweener.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions
So why Roy does not a true PG like Miller is he is fine a the 2?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
So why Roy does not want true PG like Miller,if he is fine beinga SG?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Blake (or similar players) and Roy copmliment each other well.
Like Drexler and Porter (a non-traditional PG).
Like Earl and the original Clyde.
Like Jordan and whichever short white gunslinger he was paired with.
I don’t know why he appears to have bad chemistry with AM—there may be something else going on. There are many ball-dominating wings (Paul Pierce for instance) who do fine playing with traditional PGs. He didn’t have this sort of problem with Sergio last year…
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions
Melo and Billups are fine sharing the ball. Lebron and Mo are fine sharing the ball.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Miller, Iggy and Lou Williams
all seemed to co-exist last year, despite all of them being fairly ball-dominant players.
lol
i’m going to guess that went over scotty’s head but i appreciate it.
I'm aware of BJ...
but most of Jordan’s running mates fit the mold. :)
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
i meant on offense btw
it seems most current nba fans (probably based on age) remember the 2nd 3 championships but not the first 3.
Course I remember the first 3
especially the 2nd. :(
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 28, 2009 12:03 AM PST up reply actions
Craig Hodges will join him.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
To me it seems that when Miller is on the floor with Roy, he loses his confidence a bitcuz he cant play off the ball.
Even when Roy has the ball in his hands and Miller is on the floor,Roy seems to rush stuff.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
airball shots that he usually makes...
wide open from his corner… draws hard back iron.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
roy=bayless?
Roy is a little of both a PG, and a shooting guard, but he is not true PG ot true shooting guard.
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Nov 28, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
When did Roy lose that "It" factor he had last year?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
when john exposed him as a commie!! ... k bad joke at a sensative time... he he he
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
there was a
reason why i screamed horror when i heard the blazers were considering Andre Miller. We are now witnessing why. Miller has done nothing to help roy this year only hinder him. Get him off this team asap. Focus should be on LA and Oden improving. If Roy and Oden have some chemistry issues tough they will have to work it out but andre bleeping miller?? Come on
you are blaming the wrong pg
this team has gone on runs when miller is in the game. many times without roy, many times with him. the guy playing 20+ minutes who shouldn’t be is steve blake.
If that is the focus--- those two players.
Then yes you are probably right. Still Miller clanked alot of shots tonight, but at least he took them, unlike Blake.
miller did so much more than blake tonite
he created movement on offense, drew fouls and didn’t get constantly wiped out by picks. i wish steve could watch the way andre moves before the pick gets there.
this really doesn’t seem that hard. it’s not like miller is such a better athlete he just moves before he’s pinned.
the blazers didn’t make a serious run on the 22 pt deficit until miller came back in the 3rd quarter.
Well you are right about that.
Miller was the catalyst out there. This was a crazy sloppy game but Miller does have a way of slowing things down and setting up our offense and defense out there like a good floor leader should. Brandon may be the team captain but no one is going to claim he is the leader of our offensive and defensive sets out there.
Team Hinrich Roll Call
Hinrich being similar to Blake could have been a blessing as on paper it would seem as if there wouldnt be any conflicts in play style or disruptions in chemistry that we have with dre and roy.
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
by Philthyanimal on Nov 27, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
i was just tired of hearing well…why pay X dollars for hinrich when blake is almost as good and demands a lot less dollars? hinrich’s defense = less fouls for greg and joel. when was the last time someone threw blake into a table for playing lock down d?
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
by Philthyanimal on Nov 28, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
he's been awful all season actually
blake has been bad but hinrich has hardly lit it up this year
this is true
I think Hinrich needs a change of scenery, I have faith in him, despite the fact that he has not been any good this season….
RUDY > MJ
blake is not almost as good this year
like he was last year
bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)
"Good defense always beats bad offense."-Al Iannazzone, Yes Network
by thomasikehara on Nov 28, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
he can do all of these things, and has.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 27, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
Just got back from the game
That first half was just plain nasty. It seemed like Martell was the only guy who showed up ready to play. I liked the effort in the second half, but the defense was still pretty poor, lots of bad backdoor cuts/rotations for open layups at key points when the Blazers were trying to get back in it.
As to players, Martell shot well from 3, and Greg had a good second half stretch. I still say GO needs more offensive touches. 4-8 was a somewhat “off” night for him, and he hit 5 of 6 FTs. Efficiency is a good thing, and he passes well enough that others (Dre and Rudy have been adept so far) can play off him. Andre did a good job getting to the line, as usual. Brandon scored, though he didn’t shoot well, and he got a good number of boards and assists. His shot is just off right now, I wish he would put his head down and go to the bucket more on nights where the mid-range game is absent. Blake and Rudy were off on the shots, but with Blake, it’s even worse because (1) he plays a ton of minutes, although Nate went away from him in the 2nd half, which was nice and (2) if he’s not shooting well, he brings nothing else to the table. If he starts, he needs to be like Nic was last season – 7 minutes to start each half, nothing after that unless he’s going well. Long term, I’m hoping this is just a bump in the road, but games like this will haunt this team when they’re 1 or 2 games off the division/home court pace at the end of the season.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
Blake played a ton of minutes = 23-1/2
Miller played 20-1/2
They sat together on the bench for 4 min? – Elgin
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
The thing with Blake
is it seems he just goes out there and does everything he can to avoid making a mistake. And it’s not just about his passing and ball-handling – he passes up shots he should take if it’s not so completely uncovered he has 20 minutes to set and load. So, not only is he not a playmaker, he’s not really embracing the role of shooter he supposedly fills. Like I said above, in my view he’s a 15-20 mpg player, Miller should be getting around 30. You don’t win with guys playing not to lose.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 27, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions
Sorry, didn't answer that part of the post
Bayless and Rudy were together for a spell in the 2nd when Miller went down hard. I was actually surprised he came back, given the battered ankles he already has I thought he would be sitting with the score so lopsided (of course, Dre helped bring it back down)
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 27, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions
nate did not go away from blake in the 2nd half
not near enough anyway. he played the first 9 minutes of the 3rd quarter. we didn’t start making our run until he hit the bench.
It's a start
and I think, as someone else suggested and I adopted in my post, using Blake in the same minutes/role as starter might be the best we can hope for. I’m fine with Steve starting if Brandon needs that to get going. And if Blake is shooting well, play him more. But Miller needs to be on the floor, the entire team (especially GO) is better when he’s out there.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 27, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions
no one should be fine with blake starting
he’s like wearing a millstone around your neck while swimming. in 3 of the 4 games since the lineup change he’s been awful.
I'm with you
but I think that is the best we can hope for as of now. Nate is not going to go against Brandon unless he feels like playing the coaching lottery. Hopefully, he gradually can wean Brandon off the notion that he (Brandon) is better with Blake on the floor, because if Martell shoots anywhere near like he did tonight, Blake is not needed to space the floor in the starting 5.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 27, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
I almost went hoarse in the first half
“No, he’s the only one doing anything!” Didn’t help, unfortunately
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 27, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
Blake shoudl be this year's Batum
start the 1st and 3rd, play 8-9 minutes in each, then go to the bench never to return.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
agreed
starters role…bench players minutes
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 27, 2009 11:43 PM PST up reply actions
Roy was good too
He hit a number of shots when no one else could.
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Roy just said it again...
in his interview: no one knows what the offense is supposed to be, where the ball is supposed to go. That’s largely on Nate.
This team
is so screwed i blame miller KP and nate.
by BBG on Nov 27, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
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They are not screwed, they had an absolute horrible game and after these everyone blows up. There are things that don’t make sense and need to be adjusted, they have been playing great but when our starting point guard is an absolute no show and on the bench we have someone that can actually take it in the middle and gives true meaning to consistency… Andre needs to start and they need to make it work.
-brandonmitchell.org
by brandonmitchell on Nov 27, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions
The offense was bad in the 1st half.
The defense was inexcusable. The Blazers run a poorly executed offensive system geared toward jumpshots. Any defense worth a damn is going to hinder it.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
selfish whiny crybaby.. the offense goes thru him!!! for some reason he forgot that?
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by faith on Nov 27, 2009 9:51 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
seriously though?
He’s our leader, why does he think an answer to that question is supose to come from somewhere else?
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
the ball goes through him?
That renders Miller useless – and Blake’s already useless, apparently – so, wow.
Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers
Players who need the ball all of the time make other players less effective.
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
What he meant was, when ever he’s on the floor with Miller he double clutches doubts himself and can’t stand to see Miller take a shot. He should just get over it. I mean what’s he going to do? Demand that he’s never on the floor with Miller? I see Brandon choking a lot this year and not getting bailed out by the refs much. And let me tell you I don’t like seeing it. I root for the guy. He’s great, but damn. Not looking so hot.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
I also get the impression that Roy is strongly against a ball dominate point guard...
Which is really shortsighted of him, his life will be so much easier once he learns to let a true point guard take on a lot of his playmaking duties….
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Nov 27, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
ironic
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by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
You're missing the big picture
The Blazers are hung up on deciding whether or not to transition to a low-post pound it inside offense or the use the previous outside penetration kicking to open shooters featuring Roy offense.
The one on one thing does not even work for Lebron
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by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Yes but
It’s worked for Roy through-out his career until the Houston series.
Very telling that he thought the Blazers needed an inside physical player whereas KP thought the team needed an additional playmaker.
Did the Blazers win a title that I don't know about?
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
How is
it a one on one thing when Oden and LA are on the team? Lebron doesnt have the luxury of Oden or LA but Roy does. IF those 2 would become better than this team becomes a contender. Add in a role player like Batum and Outlaw doing their jobs as well.
Oden will never amount to much offensively if he cannot get the ball away from the outside shooters
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Bad loss! My stomach hurts.
Well at least there’s only like 200 Memphis fans out there.
doo da doo
by ireallylikejerrydbayless on Nov 27, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions
Ben tweet
Nate puts loss on lack of effort, Roy and LA needing to set tone; Roy and LA seem confused by this. Roy also says energy wasn’t issue.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
Roy and LA seem confused by this. Roy also says energy wasn’t issue.
This was clear as day in the 1st half.
"I'm at the thingamajig talking the yakety-yak" - Kenny Smith
It's pretty much an "I don't really know what happened" reasoning by the coach
He can’t pull the effort card all that much, or players will start to disagree more heavily. Though as Timmay said, might be a good game to reflect for all involved parties from star player to role players to coach to GM.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
by Norsktroll on Nov 27, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I have complained about Nate blaming losses on "lack of effort", it seems like a copout....
But that 1st half of basketball was the laziest I have seen from a blazer team in a long, long time. They showed at least a moderate effort in the 2nd half, and we won the half, not a big surprise….
RUDY > MJ
Agreed
Some things are on the coach. But letting Memphis score 21 points, that is on the team.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
...
I agree with this but honestly they disappeared completely, didn’t go in the middle and try to get their bigs involved. I can understand a bad game but a 31-2 run I don’t. That is lack of effort on the offensive side and defensive.
-brandonmitchell.org
by brandonmitchell on Nov 27, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed,
It’s just a copout, and it’s sad that it’s like the third time this season that Nate has pulled this one out to explain a loss. I’d say the shelf life of this excuse has pretty much expired.
Nate McMillan should go to the Scott Skiles school of getting the most out of your guys.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Bah.
The Baby Bulls v1 are not the example we want to follow, unless your goal is to land John Wall or whoever the next young stud is.
Whatever the team’s problems, I don’t think “Nate’s a softy” is among them.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions
Regardless of whether Nate's a softy or not
part of his job is getting the team ready to play and putting them in a position to succeed. Repeatedly blaming losses on a “lack of effort” is throwing the players under the bus. Sometimes they deserve it, but when it becomes a pattern, it could be a sign that Nate’s losing the team, just like Skiles lost those Bulls.
Shell game
Repeatedly blaming losses on a "lack of effort" is throwing the players under the bus.
The are not so young anymore, now they are lazy…..
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions
If there's anything I've learned from Brian T. Smith
it’s that Nate Mcmillan’s coaching couldn’t possibly have had anything to do with any of our losses.
I learned that too. Now we are all smarterer.
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:35 PM PST up reply actions
Scott Skiles lost that Chicago Bulls team due to him being an insufferable jerk, ...
which Ben Wallace exposed during his short stint there. Nate McMillan, however, will ultimately lose his job in Portland due to being, well, an idiot who wrongly displaces blame on others and doesn’t bear his fair share of responsibility.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
by AK1984 on Nov 27, 2009 10:26 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Perhaps...
but I still say tonight isn’t on the coach.
The players didn’t execute.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions
agreed
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
by Philthyanimal on Nov 27, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
I'm talking strictly about effort and defensive execution in this case, for I do agree ...
that Scott Skiles is a hardass who’s got a short shelf life with teams that he coaches. For Skiles, the Milwaukee Bucks are an optimum situation for him. For non-contenders that are just looking to avoid the basement, Skiles does the job. Yet, with that said, I wouldn’t want to see Skiles coaching a contender, as that’d probably lead to friction between him and the upper tier players on the ballclub.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Again, I wouldn't want Scott Skiles to coach my favorite team. I explained that more ...
in detail already, though, so there’s no need to rehash it. Yet, regarding Jeff Van Gundy, effectively executing and defending against the pick-and-roll — as well as running the offense through a back-to-the-basket pivotman on offense — are the two reasons why I want him in Portland. Heck, if the Trail Blazers are going to play slow-paced, methodical basketball, then the team might as well do it the right way—which involves players putting their noses to the grindstone.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
You crack me up
You don’t want to rehash your thoughts about Skiles (which I must’ve missed) but you bring up VanGundy day after day after day?
I already made my thoughts clear on Scott Skiles right above this comment ...
in this very same subthread. I’ll post them again just for you, however, since your snark has given me the drive to do it.
“Scott Skiles lost that Chicago Bulls team due to him being an insufferable jerk, which Ben Wallace exposed during his short stint there. […] I do agree that Scott Skiles is a hardass who’s got a short shelf life with teams that he coaches. For Skiles, the Milwaukee Bucks are an optimum situation for him. For non-contenders that are just looking to avoid the basement, Skiles does the job. Yet, with that said, I wouldn’t want to see Skiles coaching a contender, as that’d probably lead to friction between him and the upper tier players on the ballclub.”
All right, that should most certainly prevent anybody from having misconceptions about my stance on Scott Skiles.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
OK. Gotcha.
We posted our comments at almost the same time, so I confess that I missed reading that you think Skiles is an insufferable jerk. I agree with you.
I also confess that I’m sick of reading about Van Gundy ad nausium and that triggered the “snark.” Finally I must confess that the snarky comment amused me. Pot, meet kettle.
Ah, no harm no foul.
If nothing else, you gave me a chance to go off on a mini-rant. As I’m sure you well know, I get a twisted enjoyment from blowing off steam that way.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
JVG is also a bit on the insufferable side
I doubt he—or Skiles—would be a major improvement over what we got.
The coaches that would, unfortunately, all have jobs at the moment.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions
Jeff Van Gundy isn't a player's coach, sure. Scott Skiles, however, ...
has a bad reputation for being an ornery micromangaer both on and off the court.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
There are two ways that Nate McMillan loses his job after this season.
1. A catastrophic collapse for the Portland Trail Blazers in the first-round of the playoffs, as a lack of improvement in the post-season from last year would be frowned upon by Portland Trail Blazer front office personnel and Vulcan, Inc. executives.
2. For better or worse, McMillan will likely be toast if he ever loses the confidence of Brandon Roy. If McMillan is a savvy career man — which is definitely up for debate — then he’ll hitch his ride to Roy’s ~$80 million gravy train.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Option 2
If he does do exactly what Roy wants he is likely to see poor performance as well. Roy is likely to have a very biased view of what works and what doesn’t. There is a good reason there aren’t player coaches anymore.
Reality will bite McMillian no matter which way he goes. Reality is he is at best an average NBA coach. Often, lately, I see him as a below average coach. At this point it shouldn’t matter if LMA is playing weak or strong, Blake is good or bad as a starter, etc. There are plenty of coaches who get much better play out of much worse teams.
McMillian can hardly choose the wrong person when looking at the bench, but still manages to screw up the rotations. It’s pathetic. He needs to go and the Blazers need to find a new coach. ASAP.
So, who wants to be the first to push?
The line forms on the right. (Assuming the “no pictures” rule doesn’t apply once the travesty is over).
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Hmm... that didn't work..
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions
Are embedded images now blocked in comments?
Dangit… imagine a picture of a panic button.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions
if it's a panic button I'm already laughing!!
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
I got 5 on it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzIYv_mE04
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 27, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
When did Roy lose that "it" factor that he had last year. Did the Money take it away, did Miller take it away?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
It is all Miller's fault
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions
SO Miller has the "it" now? Lets start him then Nate.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Miller is in denial
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions
Neither money nor Andre Miller have anything to do with Brandon Roy's lack of effort on defense, for ...
that was a glaring issue even when he was playing basketball for free at the UW. Thankfully for Husky fans like me, though, Roy had Bobby Jones there to mask his defensive ineptitude.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
At least last year Roy could penetrate to the rim anytime he wanted.
Either he does not want to or something is wrong with him, cuz he seems un able to do with ease this year that.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
He was fine
He was the only reason they weren’t down by 40 at the half.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Didn't watch the game but I have it recorded
Should I just delete it from the DVR, or should I watch it so I can see how bad we can be?
put a body on 'em
delete
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by faith on Nov 27, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
rec
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:16 PM PST up reply actions
Watch so you could feel what we feel now.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
thinking about watching a bit of the game
so I know what Grizzlies I should recommend trading for in a couple of months. sound like we might need it.
put a body on 'em
Don't do it
Otherwise Jamal Tinsley will be asking Z Bo about where the Portland kick it spots are. Unless you’re the owner of the Greek Cusina and care only about alcohol sales, this is a bad idea
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 27, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions
Please delete
I’m already trying to figure out if I can get one of those Men in Black memory eraser sticks so I’ll never have to remember I was here tonight.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
Seriously I threw my ticket stub
Program, and McDonald’s coupon for 4 3s in the first half in the trash can before I left the building.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
You have all lived to see the day that Zach Randolph got his revenge in the Rose Garden. I hope everyone is significantly ashamed of him/herself.
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 27, 2009 10:15 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
He won last year as well with the clippers
A certain over played blazer cost us that game as well….
RUDY > MJ
by Rudiculous on Nov 27, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Who? Rudy?
"I could have done with other loves perhaps. But there it is, either you love or you don't" -SB
by nightbluefruit on Nov 27, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Blake 0-4 freethrows in the clutch that could have clinched the game...
Biggest choke job I have seen in a long time….
Blake is 3rd on the team in minutes played, awaiting your justification:)
RUDY > MJ
I think Dre may have been hurt
For a while. He’s obviously fine but he was out from the mid 2nd to the early 4th, which violates Nate’s normal rotation.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
wasn't that FIVE Blake missed free throws down the stretch?
Clippers game, last year, loss.
put a body on 'em
it was four in a row
as i recall. he might have missed another ft in that game but i don’t think it was in the end. i only remember the 4 missed, then the baron davis 3 then z-bo owning us in OT.
sadly tonite i actually considered the following...
would i rather have zach randolph and his gigantic contract or lamarcus aldridge and his gigantic contract.
i still fell on the LA side but i honestly thought about it for half a second.
Just back
THAT REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY SUCKED!
A 21-0 run, really?
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It had to end sometime
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions
And then it ended
And Andre almost got hurt.
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I hurt when Andre hit the floor like a bowling pin
Whether your preference is watching or playing, basketball is a TEAM game.
by KINGofMACct on Nov 27, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
My lifetime record for home games is 35-6
Strangely my record vs. Memphis is now 0-2.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
TO say they got all the bounces
Is to put it mildly.
Early in their run, Rudy had TWO 3s got in and out. Yet Memphis got 2 ridiculous angle 3s to go in.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
This is me at halftime
I need a diink! Look at the prices, realize its too expensive. Settle for bucket of fries and cotton candy.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
It’s not Miller’s fault. He penetrates and dishes like a point guard should. BRoy needs to move without the ball. Brandon has been missing open shots and instead of taking open shots, passing to a guy that is covered. Blake looked terrible tonight. 0-3 fg 0-2 ft and two t.o. in. Time to start Miller. BRoy said the team was confused. That’s a coaching issue. Oden is not being handled correctly. Martell should not have been taken out early. He should have played the whole game and scored 40.
I don't get how the team can be confused
If you don’t know what is going on out there you need to call a timeout and get it straightened out
by WildlyRamified on Nov 27, 2009 10:34 PM PST up reply actions
welcome to the edge...
always nice to add a reasonable voice.
"Travis went all wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow on everybody " Dave's recap, season opener
Just looked at the stat sheet
Roy almost had a triple double. Hard to blame him for tonight, or Martell.
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Roy's stats were only adequate
As the team leader, all-star etc. He should have gone for 30+
In the 2nd
He clearly tried to do it all on his own.
When Memphis is beating you in assists, you know you’re having a bad bad day.
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Melo went for 50. Roy should have scored at least 51.
Roybot.
Dirty Socks.
by L-TrainFTW! on Nov 27, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
And Melo does not Billups on the bench either.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Melo is fine with PG who need the ball to be effective(Billups)
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Yes he gets his iso's and drives within the game flow.
The rest of the time he is a big time decoy, while Billups breaks down the D.
Alot of iso's for 50 points.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Likely alot of foul shots.
FROM DRIVING IT TO THE HOLE!!! Exactly the thing that Brandon needs to get back to doing alot more of. Maybe losing the pounds wasn’t such a good thing.
Remember Stat-bo and where that got us....
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Yeah but 9 assists
He was trying to do it but no one but MW (and Oden on put backs) was really helping.
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Agreed
This loss was not on Roy. The whole team played poorly. Now would I like to see Brandon put forth a more consistent defensive effort/get comfortable with Dre – of course. But neither of those things by themselves sunk Portland tonight.
The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)
by blazeraddict on Nov 27, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
no, Roy needed to step up and demand effort from his team. That’s being a leader.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 27, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions
and he needed to get it done when it mattered that silly little try for lamarcus at the end of the game? what was that? why wasn't he trying to ram the ball down someones throat? he wasn't trying to score he was looking to dish the whole way.
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stats do not tell the story of this game. Roy was lazy on defense, disappeared when he didn’t have the ball, and didn’t step up as a freaking leader when his team needed to be slapped in the face. He failed as a leader tonight and hopefully he grows from this.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 27, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Beat Utah
Period….
We do that, we can make this loss go away.
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missed the game
Will try very hard to convince myself not to watch the replay. Will likely fail, as I am a masochist.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
I think even a masochist
Would find this too pianful.
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ok, well maybe I'll just read Dave and Ben's takes
At least Oden had a nice shiny double double.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
It was a junk double double
He had put backs on three straight possessions.
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hey, I'll take it
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
it's sad , but so will I. :)
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Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Save the game
and then if you ever need material to support an argument about how horribly we’re overpaying LA, just fire this up.
45 minutes: 1 defensive rebound. Pitiful.
by Royster on Nov 27, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
is it bad that I laughed at this?
Zbo punked Ellie.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 27, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
do not watch.
DO NOT WATCH.
We’ve seen it all before, no reason to hurt yourself.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 27, 2009 10:47 PM PST up reply actions
Funny Rasheed quote
“They’ve got to know that he’s a [darn] flopper. That’s all Turkododo do,”
by WildlyRamified on Nov 27, 2009 10:47 PM PST reply actions
My comment at the half
“Welcome to the Memphis Streetball Competitions.”
Seriously it was like watching an And 1 video.
You couldn’t be pissed at them because they were pulling off lots of ridiculous moves.
Now pissed at our guys, heck yes.
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Roy this, Blake that
Look, the Blazers are LAST in the league in points in the paint. They have the highest FG% guy in the league at the C position and still, LAST in the league. Since when was LAST a good thing? Unless you are talking about LAST in TO’s commited.
These type of games are going to happen shooting jumpshots. When they don’t fall, it will get ugly. I do not care about this game, my concern is on the future. Nate brought this philosophy from Seattle and he is sticking by it. I don’t know in the history of NBA championships when a strictly jump shooting team won a championship, but this style will bring 2nd round exits from the playoffs, unless history is going to be made with who is on the team. They came back tonight after puttin gtheir heads down and driving to the hole.
I do not agree with this philosophy and it will bring a replay of 4th qtr, game 7 of 2001 wcf’s to our Blazers history. Some teams, players, fans have seen Portland as a dumb team who ultimately could not make it happen to win a championship with the capable talent they had. This philosophy will not change those sentiments.
I hope someone somewhere in Blazer land wakes up to this.
Land Rondo.
"He needs to realize that he can't stop every shot, especially from a smaller and offensively potent player. Get your hands up, make him shoot it over you, but let him shoot every once in a while. They score a little but you stay in the game a lot. And when you stay in the game...smashy smashy!" Dave on Greg Oden
Are they last after you adjust for pace?
by WildlyRamified on Nov 27, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
Even though those aren't pace-adjusted stats, a championship caliber team shouldn't be dead last ...
when it comes to points in the paint. As it is, that has not, is not, nor ever will be a recipe for winning the Larry O’Brien Championship Trophy.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
No argument from me
I just want to know how bad it really is
by WildlyRamified on Nov 27, 2009 11:00 PM PST up reply actions
Blazers are last in everything.
Pace, fast break points, paint points.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
And Memphis does have good players
If they ever become a team, they could be good.
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Well yeah Roy this Blake that...
Because Miller feeds Oden. Brandon isn’t comfortable playing with Miller because Blake augments his game and Miller augments Oden’s. So really Roy might not be comfortable with Oden. There’s your jump shooting versus points in the paint. The connection is pretty plain. It’s all tied together. If you have a problem with people discussing the symptoms and not the problem, then yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Nov 27, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
that's awsome....rec.
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Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
The thing that frightens me is Brandon Roy may be averse to sharing the spotlight with Greg Oden.
If that’s truly the case, then this is a long-term problem with Roy’s mindset that might never be solved.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
But has Roy ever said such a thing?
I’ve never heard it. This whole “Roy is selfish” meme that got started over the summer has taken on a life of its own.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:08 PM PST up reply actions
The funny thing is
It was started as a complete trolling joke, but actually has developed into a weak argument. It used to be absurd, but now, it can be argued(in desperation)….
RUDY > MJ
That is also got me really concerned right now. He needs to learn to share the load. He’s been ok with it in a few of the victories this year, but he has to demonstrate the leadership necessary to facilitate the big man in big games or the wisdom to step aside for someone that will. Too much being the hero perhaps. It can be addictive.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
i hope its not true, but it has crossed my mind
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by Philthyanimal on Nov 27, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
I think this is the issue of concern
I’m not worried about Steve Blake. I’m not worried about Andre Miller. Both are expendable players, especially the former.
Some folks here seem to think that it’s basketball sin for Roy, a guy with the label “shooting guard”, to handle the ball so much—that only the short player called the “point guard” ought to be handling the ball, and should further be constrained such that he only shoots if nobody else has a shot.
Me, I don’t care—what I care about is effectiveness. If you got a guy like a Dwyane Wade or a Brandon Roy who is generally efficient with the ball in his hands, then play that way. The talk of Roy-as-Iverson is getting a bit annoying, frankly—the reason Iverson is widely considered a ball-hog (and guys like Francis and Marbury are often considered worse) is that they prefer a bad shot to a good pass—a habit that Roy has avoided most of his career. He’s struggled somewhat this season, and I’m not sure why—but I’m still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.
My concern, as stated above, is that Roy seems better at kicking out than he does at hitting cutters or feeding the post. THAT could be a limiting issue. However, if Andre Miller (or anyone) is a good PG, he will know that getting your best offensive player the ball in the right spot is a Good Play. Nothing wrong with AM bringing the ball up court, and if there isn’t a good post or cutting opportunity, passing to Brandon to do his thing.
Not sure what the problem was tonight—it may well have just been a Bad Game. Happens. But some folks around here seem to think that Andre Miller is the All-Star guard on this team—he’s not.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions
the team has played demonstratively better
during this homestand with andre in the game. the pick up when blake goes to the bench for miller is obvious. this is true even when roy is in the game.
andre miller may not be an allstart pg but he’s far far far better than a guy that is playing more minutes than he is.
So is it an Andre/Roy problem then?
Or a “too much Blake” problem?
Many seem to assume that having Miller on the teams means that Roy has to turn into Ray Allen, that Miller-passing-to-Roy to run an iso or P/R is somehow bad form.
Lots of teams combine a ball-dominating wing with a good PG. Cleveland, Atlanta, Denver, Boston. San Antonio when Manu is in. OKC is heading in that direction (Westbrook isn’t there yet).
What is the issue here?
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:15 PM PST up reply actions
i don't think it's a roy / miller problem at all
they seem fine on the floor together. they played together for almost the entire 4th quarter when we made our big run to make this a game.
i think the issue is as simple as playing a bad player a lot of minutes. it’s really a coaching thing, not a roy thing. now i know folks will counter and say that roy wants blake but ultimately mcmillan tells the scorer’s table who’s coming in so i think it’s more on nate than roy.
roy is clearly not playing at his best when he is in with miller
the question is…will they ever adapt to each other? I honestly hate that Blake has the 3rd highest minutes played on our team…I believe it has less to do with Blake’s performance, but because he is Roy’s security blanket.
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
by Philthyanimal on Nov 27, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
The time will come when we have to wonder...
Is Roy thinking more about the two All star games or the one championship. either will get him his extra millions. Is he willing to lay down to let Greg shine in order to win, or is that too much to ask of someone that has had so much success carrying such a young team on his back for so long?
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
i've wondered the same thing
i have faith in brandon…i just think he will need some time to realize that he can’t do this all on his own. what made him great was that he often looked to his teammates. he needs to go back and watch old game tapes of himself.
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
by Philthyanimal on Nov 28, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
The score was 19-15 when Miller replaced Blake, then 35-17 when Bayless replaced Miller (Blake still on bench).
We were outscored 16-2 with Miller in the game in the 1st and 2nd quarters.
The score was 44-21 when Blake replaced Bayless. So we were outscored 9-4 with Bayless in the game.
The score was 61-39 at the half so we outscore them 18-17 on Blake’s 2nd stint.
1st half:
Miller -14
Bayless -5
Blake -3
You can check the play by play here.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 28, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions
i noticed you ignored what happened when miller came back in the 2nd half
the one time the team played well. go check the play by play from the last 2 home games and you’ll see the same thing – the big runs happen when blake is not in the game.
Memphis big run came with Miller in the game.
They outscored us by 14 with Miller in the game in the first half. (Even more importantly, we were outscored by 19 while Blake was out of the game in the first half.) They only outscored us by 3 with Blake in the game. The game was lost in the first half with Miller in the game. It may not have been Miller’s fault, but the team played better with Blake.
Blake was +4 to start the 2nd half (the first 9 minutes). Miller then came in and played the last 15 minutes and was +8. Not much difference considering teams always come back some from large deficits. The game was decided in the first half.
by BlazerFanSince1970 on Nov 28, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
At the beginning of last year there was some talk that maybe Brandon and LMA weren’t tight enough. Brandon never would hang out with LaMarcus only Travis. Brandon and LMA wouldn’t sit next to each other… etc. his year is about Brandon bonding with Greg. Like you said the PGs are irrelevant. After the all-star game last year it was clear that Brandon and LMA were clicking. Hopefully the three of them come together about the same time this year and we finally see the big three that will take this team to the championship.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Perhaps Roy and LMA should adopt a child together. Surely that will bring about a championship.
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
If the child is Greg
Then yes.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
by pxilpooshr on Nov 27, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Chas. Barkley says the same thing and I agree with him
The Blazers don’t need to be taken seriously as long as they are a jump-shooting team. Oden ought to provide more than enough reason to change this, but Nate, Roy etc need to change the modus operandi.
put a body on 'em
modus operandi sounds so cool I don't want to know what it means.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
I didn't want to know!!! you ruined it. :(
:)
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
Nate has been moving towards this in fits and starts all year. We should realize that this is the first time that Oden has really brought anything to the floor. We are witnessing growing pains. The recent increase in defense and the occasional breakout games for Greg are a good sign. It all comes down to comfort level for Roy in my opinion. he has to find a niche to work his game in. The NBA has him pegged. that’s been obvious since the loss to Atlanta at home when they treated him the same way Adelman did in the playoffs. I’m not blaming Roy for causing problems. I’m just saying he has not yet found a place in the offense while getting Greg going.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
you think points in the paint has nothing to do with
playing blake more minutes than rudy and miller – 2 guys that consistently try to create easy buckets for big guys.
i think you are missing the cause and effect that is at work.
Puff puff give, everyone
There’s enough to go around
But I love you :-(
by Mortimer on Nov 19, 2009 7:04 PM PST
by TheTinfoil on Nov 27, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Of course there's enough to go around
Damon was in town tonight, after all.
we could always tip off the police on their way to the airport.... ;)
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Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
man, good night for all the teams we hate
Dallas, Denver, PHX, OKC…
OKC looks more and more legit.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
they certainly do
and that foward guy they have who it pains me to name keeps getting better and better.
Hey, Oden has a higher PER than Durant
by .07. Not significant at all, but I think both of ’em will be alright.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions
that forward guy can play a lot of minutes though
which oden still can’t do. this isn’t about oden not being good mind you it’s just that okc’s star is playing out of his mind and the team keeps getting better.
I'm not worried yet.
Oden has improved enough that I’m satisfied.
Oden’s second year impact on his team seems to be better than Durant’s second year impact, where he put up gawdy stats but had the worst +/- of anyone in the league it seemed.
The Oden/Durant issue doesn’t concern me much.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions
this is not about oden vs . anybody
it’s about the blazers vs a division rival. that rival appears to be managing it’s personnel and finance better than us at the moment.
Finally found a Men In Black memory eraser
I HIGHLY recommend its use for all fans:
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ha ha ha ha
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
what was the closest we got in the 2nd half?
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
you mean before we started losing?
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Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!
8
We had the ball, Roy tried to dish it to Martell in the corner for a 3 but he threw it away.
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Was that before or after Roy tried to shovel pass in traffic to LMA and turned it over?
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Same play
We hit a shot to go down 6, we probably still lose but you never know.
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OMFG
Don’t even try to pin this on Martell. He was the only bright spot in what was quite possibly the worst game of Branden Roy’s career, and a game that should officially put Steve Blake in a backup role for the rest of his career.
Btw, if anyone tries to blame the fans for this one
Stop there. We were supporting the team as much as we possibly could. We went nuts whenever we hit a shot.
"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely
it was still pretty classless to boo the team
especially in the first half.
Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian
by Philthyanimal on Nov 28, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions
I might agree
except, Blazers get the ball with 7 seconds left in the quarter, down some ridiculous number, in the middle of what will be a 31-2 run. Roy stands and dribbles, doesn’t notice the time, doesn’t even get a shot off before the quarter ends. I did not personally boo, but I couldn’t really fault anyone who did.
If we keep winning at a 50+ win pace, Roy is going to make the allstar team, and he's not going to deserve it unless he really picks it up.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
Agreed. He keeps saying that he doesn’t know what’s going on in the offense. This bothers me a lot. He needs to figure it out. The implication is that he thinks the offense should be running through him alone. This has been proven untenable this year. Adjust Brandon. Step it up.
My team went to the playoffs in my first year.
Now relax and go to bed everybody
Every year the team gets its butt handed to it by a team that has no business doing so.
And every year y’all go nuts.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:11 PM PST reply actions
Generally, the team that WINS the title gets punked in the same fashion.
The Lakers got punked numerous times last year. Charlotte was especially capable at doing that.
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 27, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
Though, among the teams that get punked
I don’t think we can afford it as much. Most of our wins last year came at home. Most of our wins also came against tier B and under teams. I can’t remember the exact numbers, but our record against winning/playoff teams wasn’t exactly jaw-dropping. When the someone like the Lakers get punked, they are still likely to go to Orlando or Boston the next night and win.
it's happened twice this year already
are we ahead of schedule then?
Happening a lot this year
Heck the Cavs were routed by the Bobcats (the game was not that close).
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I wasn't able to watch/listen to the game
But going by the boxscore, Blake deserves none of his 25 minutes
by collectiveshane on Nov 27, 2009 11:19 PM PST reply actions
I'm ticked
I notice people are blaming blake. I don’t.
He had energy. He attempted to play some defense which was more than other members of the blazers. I sat right behind the basket as I watched Zbo take an uncontested shot with Aldridge five feet away. He could have moved in to stop the shot…
BUT HE DIDNT EVEN TRY.
I watched Aldridge out muscled on offense and defense last game. I watched him act like the defense fairies would magically grant defensive stops tonight. I saw a blazer team act like they didn’t care. Frankly I’m ticked. That first half team deserved every boo they got tonight and if that first half had lasted another minute I think it would have been some booming boos.
I’m ticked at Nate. Webster had the hot hand. He was one of the few blazers moving and cutting and getting stops on defense. He deserved more time. He deserved plays to be called for him. Nate does not adapt to change. I gave him twenty games. He has two left and I’m don’t see the foundation of change required for me to not agree he needs to be replaced. His inflexibility will be a large reason why the team will fail this year. I keep hoping he’ll prove me right and that he’ll be our coach, but we can’t wait ten games to adapt… he needs to do it in games and he’s yet to show he can.
I’m ticked at Roy for not play defense. He needs to do it and represent by example. How is he supposed to get on others if he doesn’t do it himself.
rose garden fans… you rock.. you’re loud… and you cheered right up tot he last minute. Amazing compared to other years when being a blazer fan was simply the thing to do. You guys seriously just rock. The fans never quit on the blazers, but frankly… I didn’t feel like that blazer team really deserved fans. The only redeeming thing is that the blazers actually acted like that gave a _ in the second half and played like a team that cared. That’s the only thing that didn’t have me walking away in 100% disgust. It was one half too late though.
That first half was dispicable. Imagine the blazers playing like that against an actual good team. We haven’t even played any good teams yet.
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But I suspect Fernandez sees all that and thinks: We get to hit arms! Cool!"
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by ratbastird on Nov 27, 2009 11:37 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Yep
Was proud to be in the stands tonight. Blazers fans still shouting when the teams down by 30 against the Grizzlies. It was very difficult to suppress the boos.
I was one of the unfortunate fans who paid to watch the game tonight
I’m finally going to say it, after countless posts defending the guy. Start Miller. That was just terrible tonight. Someone needs to lose their job…
Portland needs to solidify a STARTING LINE UP ..
Stop shooting jumpers ..
Stop turning the ball over ..
Rebound, Rebound, did I say rebound ….
Portland REALLY REALLY needs to start -→ Feeding THEY ODEN < --
If Portland gets Oden the ball its nearly instantly a score now .. Either threw foul shots or single coverage Oden gets his (relativly speaking)
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