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Media Row Report: Blazers 93 Nets 83

Bullet point style tonight because it's super-late and tomorrow is Thanksgiving.  A few thoughts...

  • This was the second time in two nights when Andre Miller's ability to dominate during his second unit play 10 points, 6 assists) pushed the Blazers to a comfortable victory.  A point guard of his caliber and intelligence in the second unit is a total luxury. Teams gameplan for your top 2 or 3 options: they find ways to bother Roy, they push Aldridge around, they double-team and harass Greg Oden.  There really is no easy gameplan to guard against a backup point guard of Miller's skill level.  What do you do?  Demote your own point guard for the evening? Play your starter super extended minutes? Although the Blazers don't have a single excellent point guard, their 3 points together comprise one of the very best rotations in the league.  The setup currently being used is maximizing that positional depth very well. When teams travel far to play the Blazers, catch the Blazers on the back-end of a back-to-back or simply are thin in the backcourt thanks to injuries or poor personnel, the Blazers are able to press that advantage quickly and ruthlessly.  This all boils down to effort and mindset from Miller.  If he brings it, expect the Blazers' already impressive margin of victories to continue.
  • But here is the million dollar question for McMillan: is Miller in the backup role your best playoff option? Will this strategy carry over if you give a quality team and a playoff-quality coaching staff time to prepare for you, multiple games to make adjustments, with the intensity and scrutiny going full tilt and the refs swallowing their whistles?  There's no way to know, yet.  It's a long way out but it's an important question to ask now.  In my opinion, that question hangs over Steve Blake's head every night.  He's playing every game defending his starting role and angling for a major role in the team's playoff rotation.  If he shoots well, it's his.  If not, it gets sketchier. It's quite possible that if Blake falters he could remain the starter but simply see his minutes shrink.  Tonight Blake and Miller each played 25 minutes.  Could we see a situation where Blake is at 18 minutes (or less) as a starter during the playoffs, with Miller picking up the rest?  Maybe Blake gets a looser reign if he comes out hot and a quick hook if he doesn't?  I can imagine worse ways to play things.
  • Travis Outlaw or Dante Cunningham?  I'll take Cunningham and not think twice. I know it's early. I know teams will start forcing him to do things on offense other than shoot his favorite face-up 15 footer.  He definitely could hit the rookie wall.  But if you're Kevin Pritchard and you're weighing your options for next year -- Cunningham at less than $800,000 or Outlaw (even a discounted Outlaw taking into account the long-term injury) -- you go with Cunningham.  Even more minutes (17) for Cunningham tonight and even more production (6 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal).  Watch the game tape and focus solely on him.  It's darn near everything you want from a backup power forward in the Blazers' system, rookie or otherwise.  It's a circular peg in a circular hole. Solid defense, effort, good hands, readiness to shoot, knowledge of his offensive limitations, pick-setting.  It's a long list of positive attributes.  Throw in Rudy Fernandez's  increased touches and shot-making ability now that Outlaw is no longer in the lineup, and I dare say the Blazers have been better off without Outlaw, at least to this point.  That could change drastically once the competition increases and minor injuries start taking their toll on the rotation.  But as of right now? They're not skipping a beat.
  • Watching Brook Lopez tonight reminded me of watching another talented youngster, one that might surprise you: Jonny Flynn.  Flynn is quickly becoming case study A1 for what it looks like when you throw a talented point guard into a system that he has no real desire to take part in and with players who are below-replacement level players. Lopez, similarly, is an uber-talented big men surrounded by players who, although they try hard, don't make his life any easier. No three pointer shooters to stretch the floor, no players (without a fully healthy Devin Harris) that can break a defense down off the dribble, no accomplished rebounders to flank him.  Both Flynn and Lopez are in nightmare scenarios given their respective talents.  Sure both are free to star individually, as they have, but life in those spots, with so much expected from you night in and night out, is bound to get tiresome. Credit both players for being intelligent and responding to the adversity well.  Tonight, Lopez was out extremely early before the game working hard on his game and he took leaps forward from last year.  Not the best shooting night for him but he's a stud.  Huge-dollar contracts will be the eventual payoff for both players. 
  • I've been looking for an analogy that properly fits Nate McMillan's handling of Greg Oden's minutes.  I think I've got it: Tresselball. Ohio State's football coach is notorious for controlling the ball, working the clock, being as conservative as possible on offense when protecting a lead and, when in doubt, punting the football and living or dying with his defense.  With Oden, McMillan has adopted a rather radical playing time strategy that is similar to the punt-punt-punt that drives Ohio State fans crazy.  He plays Oden just six minutes in the first quarter, regularly pulls him if he picks up a second foul in the first half and lives to fight in the fourth quarter.  The reasoning in both cases is simple: try to be in a position to win at the end of the game and expect that a more disciplined team with all its weapons ready to go has a better probability of winning games than a team that takes risks early in a game that might compromise its ability to compete at full strength late in games.  In Oden's case, it's depressing (nauseating?) watching him play just 9 minutes during the first half, especially with Lopez schooling Przybilla time and again.  Buckeyes fans certainly feel the same anguish watching Terrelle Pryor handcuffed in a conservative offense.  Tonight, when all was said and done, Oden was very effective when on the court: 18 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks and he was able to avoid fouling out.  He was in the game when he needed to be.  On this night, those results, along with the victory, prove McMillan's strategy effective.  Similarly, Ohio State rarely loses to schools like Toledo and, over the long haul, are very solid when protecting a lead, even if it their incessant punting gives their fanbase heartburn/heart attacks.  The true test comes for OSU when they play a team like USC of years past.  A team with equal or greater firepower, that doesn't dig itself a ditch early and that forces OSU from its conservative approach.  There are some USC's in the NBA (Boston, Cleveland, Orlando, Los Angeles) and the Blazers haven't faced any of them yet.  It will be interesting to see if McMillan feels like he has no choice but to Oden play more if the Blazers get behind early or if they find themselves in a full 4 quarter dogfight against a truly top-class team. 
  • I don't know who could get more out of the New Jersey Nets than Lawrence Frank.  Then again, I thought the same thing when New Orleans fired Byron Scott. If only Frank had a Darren Collison and Marcus Thornton hiding on the end of his bench.
  • Nate has a hilarious quote about turkey that you should read below.  He also was dead on the money complimenting both Oden and Aldridge's passing abilities tonight.  Oden is an extremely underrated passer. When the ball is in his palm above his head, even with his back to the basket, he's a true weapon.  When it's down at his waist not so much.  I hope at some point his reputation as a turnover-machine gradually morphs into that of a dime-minter. If that ever happens, it will stand as the moment that his public perception evolution is complete.  [Insert Jurassic Park reference here.]
  • Shout out to the guy who called Courtside Errand Boy before he woke up Tuesday morning to excitedly make sure CEB was aware that he got a shout out in Monday night's Media Row Report.  You're hilarious, bro, and I'm not even sure who you are.
    Nate's Post-Game Comments

Another game where you didn't have to rely on Roy?

We're going to need other guys to make shots and play off of those guys. Greg, LaMarcus and Brandon, some nights, probably most nights they are getting double-teamed and forcing other guys to make shots. When you get those shots you got to take them. When we knock them down we're a tough team to guard.

Overall thoughts

I thought we looked like we had heavy legs. That third quarter was kind of slow motion. We missed our free throws tonight. Shot 58 percent from the free throw line. The fourth quarter we had some guys who had some legs, Dre and Dante gave us a lift and we was able to have a 31 point quarter. We did what we needed to do to get through this game.

Dante

Again, he's doing good things. He's in the right place offensively. The same on the defensive end of the floor. Making plays, rebounding the ball. If there is a concern with a rookie it's feeling comfortable taking shots and knocking those shots down. He's doing that. He's getting shots in the offense and he's taking the right shot and knocking them down.

Lopez

He's probably one of the most skillful centers in the league. He's scoring from everywhere. He's a big body that can face up from about 15 feet. On the block he's patient. He takes his time. He gets to the rim. He's a tough match-up.

Rudy

He's a big shot taker. Two of those shots it looked like he was flipping them up but he shoots the ball like that. Big shots. I think the team at the time was making a run and those were threes. That's Rudy. What can you say?

They come in winless. Is that a scary situation?

Well, of course. You don't want to be that team that is the first to lose. As I told our guys, our focus needs to be, regardless of that team's record, we need to play as if they are 12-0 and not 0-12. You know they're going to give an effort. They're going to try to play their way out of it. It's similar to losing 3 or 4 in a row, you kind of lose your confidence and what you don't want to do is give a team confidence. I thought that first half they were able to run their stuff, score, they just buried us in the paint. The first half, really for the game. They had 52 points in the paint tonight.

Slower start

You adjust to what happens in a game and it took us four quarters to get control of the game. And put it away. And that's what we had to do tonight.

Best passing team you've had?

We're good when we move the ball. What we're going through now is LaMarcus and Greg learning to make decisions with the ball. Teams are trying to double-team them, front them and making the right reads. You've got to become a point when you play with the basketball on the post or at the high post. Those guys are learning to make the right reads, the right passes. For the most part, the rest of our guys are pretty good passers. We've got shooters. The defense can't take everything.

 The assist-to-field goal ratio is very high

Yeah, when we're moving the ball and not trying to make the home run play it's tough to defend us. 

Favorite Thanksgiving tradition

Oh, I carve the Turkey. I'll cook the turkey tonight and I'll carve it tomorrow. Sit down and enjoy a big turkey dinner. On gameday, I leave the turkey alone because it is some chemicals in that thing that will make you fall asleep.  That's what I was told by the doctor.

-- Ben Golliver | (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com) | Twitter

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Liked the TV appearance

What was it like for you?

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by skywaker9 on Nov 26, 2009 1:57 AM PST reply actions  

i must have missed something...

What happened? (I didn’t watch the blazers vs nets)

WE WANT T-SHIRTS!!!

by nateinaloha on Nov 26, 2009 2:31 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

http://twitpic.com/r3blo

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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Nov 26, 2009 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes, that was fun to see

I was like, "that’s OUR young Ben on the t.v.! OK, it was “Talkin’ Ball”. But still.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Nov 26, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions  

Who is a little rosy cheeked TV star? Yes he is! Who knows what PER is and can drop it like it’s hot? Tee Hee. Nice job!

My team went to the playoffs in my first year.

by pxilpooshr on Nov 26, 2009 2:09 AM PST reply actions  

Andre Miller is killing the +/- these last two games

Against Chicago, Miller was a ridiculous +30. He was the difference maker. He led the team to a double-digit lead in the second quarter, then regained the lead in the middle of the second half and helped put Chicago away by 24.

Miller again led +/- last night with +17, again playing the minutes that first brought us a lead then regained that lead.

It must feel absurd to be Miller, seeing that nearly every time you come in, the team responds with a big push, and then seeing that lead dwindle as you spend time on the bench.

I wonder how long Nate can keep this up. Greg needs to play with Andre. Already, Miller’s ability to feed the post has the team looking for GO. But there is a lot more Andre can teach our young starters about how to play NBA basketball. It’s been painful to watch the team suffer through most of the first quarter without him. With Miller in the game, if you work to get open, he will get you the ball in a position to score.

Miller wants to help make our players better.

FREE DRE!

by LaoTzu on Nov 26, 2009 2:10 AM PST reply actions  

Bench Roy!

…I say while wearing a Roy uniform…

"We Believe" - Rudy Fernandez

by TheGreatMon on Nov 26, 2009 2:28 AM PST up reply actions  

He'd

still be selfish.

"When I played, if you punched someone in the face, it only cost you 50 bucks" -- Maurice Lucas

by RipCity4Life on Nov 26, 2009 2:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't know anymore.

That second unit needs Miller right now. Miller is really the only guy in that unit who can create off the dribble and Steve Blake creates off the dribble less than any starting PG in the league.

It’s weird because I think Miller should be starting, but I hate Blake coming off the bench. I don’t think the current rotations will work in the playoffs, but right now I’m ok with it.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 26, 2009 2:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I dont mind Blake starting

I just wish the starters mins would go to Miller. a 33-15 split in Millers favor would be nice.

Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian

by Philthyanimal on Nov 26, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions   4 recs

Great point

The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)

by blazeraddict on Nov 26, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

Until opposing teams start proving that McMillan's strategy is flawed ...

… I see no reason to change what they are doing.

Ben wonders about what will happen when opposing teams have a 7 game series to make adjustments, leaving aside the fact that Nate will have the exact same opportunity. Well, maybe not the exact opportunity, as McMillan is likely to have more options due to his deeper lineup.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 26, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

it's how you use the options, and how quickly Nate adjusts

Just one example, from last year’s playoffs. Nate started Batum against Houston for the first 5 games, even though he wasn’t a good matchup against Artest. Adelman made sure that the Rockets exploited this matchup, and Ron abused Nic early in each half, which forced Nate to sub-in Outlaw, or Rudy

It wasn’t until game 6 that Nate made a change to his starting lineup, he started Rudy (almost out of desperation) and it wasn’t successful. Fernandez scored only 2 points and Houston won the series, going away.

I bring this up not because I have a “better” idea than Nate did, frankly the Blazers had no one who could contend with Artest (and they still don’t, which makes the prospects of future L*ker matchups daunting…) The point I’m making is that McMillian is “slow to react” and make in-series lineup changes, and this could work against the multiple “options” that you’re anticipating Portland will have in the post season

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 12:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, if you know that Nate had no better options, I'm pretty sure Nate knew that too.

Which doesn’t make him slow to react, it just means that he recognized that any reaction he could make wold be one of desparation.

by raoulduke on Nov 26, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We didn't have Webster

I think of him being a good matchup for Artest.

"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09

by jamon51 on Nov 27, 2009 5:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ah, Nick, you are seeing my point

about the value of Miller off the bench.

I just wish Nate would bring in Andre a few minutes earlier in the first.

The current rotations will work in the playoffs because we have so much inside firepower that we didn’t have last year. It isn’t that the current rotations won’t work, it is that if we gave Andre 3-4 of Blake’s minutes, we would probably be even better.

But Andre still isn’t really at his best, is he? As always, he has started slow — once he really hits his stride, Brandon and everyone else will be telling Nate he has to get a few more minutes.

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by jscot on Nov 26, 2009 4:50 AM PST up reply actions  

This really is a pickle...

(I would have said conundrum, but I got food on the mind…)

I can’t imagine even the biggest Blake fan not realizing by now that Dre is a vastly superior point guard, in every way except for 3-point shooting. I really wish we could see a lineup of Dre, Rudy, Martell, LMA and GO get some serious time, because that offense would be nearly impossible to stop, and the fast break would yield dozens of easy points per game.

And while Greg’s continued improvement is awesome, I contend he would absolutely be an All-Star this year if his and Dre’s minutes coincided. (Both of them need more time on the floor.)

But I, too, realize that Blake just isn’t a good fit for any unit where he can’t hand the ball off to Brandon. I’m hopeful that by the end of the year, Bayless will have learned enough from Dre that we could start Dre, bring in Bayless as the #2 PG without too much of a dropoff (and at least play the same inside-out style), and Steve is relegated to spot minutes where Nate wants a pick me up from outside. But Bayless isn’t there yet.

But I’s starting to like what I’m seeing: better D, more fast breaks, more touches for Greg, minutes for Dre and Greg slowly increasing… We’re certainly getting there!

by Visionary2 on Nov 26, 2009 5:13 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

I think it is closer than a lot of folks realize
I’m hopeful that by the end of the year, Bayless will have learned enough from Dre that we could start Dre, bring in Bayless as the #2 PG without too much of a dropoff (and at least play the same inside-out style), and Steve is relegated to spot minutes where Nate wants a pick me up from outside. But Bayless isn’t there yet.

I share your hope. I agree Bayless isn’t quite there, yet; but I think he can be there by the end of the season if he is given 10-12 minutes in the second unit paired with Rudy and/or Miller. He needs to actually play PG in order to improve as a PG. Having him stand in the weakside corner is not going to teach him anything, and does not take advantage of his skill as a scorer.

I see real improvement in his passing and decision making. Not enough to just turn the ball over to him, but enough so that he should be able to take turns with Rudy or Miller.

by upper left corner on Nov 26, 2009 8:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Get out of here!

That’s what I get for showing weakness.

Seriously though, things have changed. Outlaw could always create off the dribble so it wasn’t as important, in my opinion at least, to have another guy doing that in the second unit. With Outlaw out, I’m not sure there’s anyone on the bench who can fill that role and we definitly need that.

I still want Miller in with the starts because he makes Oden so much better. I think that’s pretty clear, even Oden has talked about it. The problem is that Nate has a tendency to take Oden out of the game quickly and I’m not sure how you get Miller and Oden tons of playing time with things the way they are. It’s tricky, but like you said, if Miller starts to hit his stride then maybe things will work themselves out.

by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 26, 2009 5:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with that

We look to get LA and Oden going early in the game so Miller should be in there running the offense and getting them the ball.

The whole situation seems so simple to me, here is how it should go

1. Start Miller to and get Oden/LA early touches

2. After 6 min take him out put in Blake, now let the offense run through Brandon every time down

3. Put Miller in when you take Roy out and keep him with the second unit (Miller or Roy needs to be in the game at all times!)

Brandon needs to figure out that when Blake plays he needs to take over offensively and when Miller is in the game play off the ball and let Dre create. I’ll think he’ll figure it out eventually.

by WildlyRamified on Nov 26, 2009 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with your thought process, but I think there needs to be a transition process.

Nate does not change quickly. Roy will eventually learn the benefits of playing with Miller, but for now he is comfortable with the role he played last year wit Blake. See my thoughts in my “Batumize Blake” comment just below.

by upper left corner on Nov 26, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That is the best plan I have heard.

I was hearing on the radio that BRoy and Andre was in the game at the same time but it didn’t sound like they were trying to compete for handling the ball, but they were both working hard t get the ball to Greg or LMA. the results was 24 pts apiece.

Your line up sounds terrific

hg

by BBK on Nov 26, 2009 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

This is not specifically a reply to Nick, as it is a comment on the whole ...

… Blake Miller argument.

I would like to suggest that Blazer fans take a time out from their conventional thinking and look at the team from a different prospective. Because I happen to think that Pritchard and McMillan are committed to a different way of playing the game.

The difference isn’t something like the D’Antoni run & gun or Nelson’s four wings and point forwards. It is still grounded in the basic basketball concepts, team play, good defense, taking care of the ball, efficient offense, moving the ball till it finds the open shooter, controling the boards and effort, effort, effort along with execution, execution, execution. Even teams with average talent can play .500 ball doing this. The difference is Portland not only has execptional talent, it seems to have it in abundance. And this is where Nate is free to tread new gound.

Portland can run against teams that play poor defense, don’t rebound well or are just slow getting back. Yet they are right at home playing a grind it out, possession control style of game. In other words, more times than not, the Blazers should be the team controlling the tempo. And when they don’t, no big deal, as they still can play at the other team’s tempo. What is not important in this style are individual numbers. It doesn’t matter is Miller may be a better overall point guard then Blake. What does matter is how both Blake and Miller facilitate McMillan’s ability to enforce his will and strategy on each individual game. Whether it is the 3 guard lineup, Andre coming off the bench to solidify the 2nd unit or Miller in the starting lineup along side Brandon, it really is not important. What is important is how having both players enables Nate and the Blazers win basketball games. And Blake and Miller combined allow McMilan to do that in a multitude of ways.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Nov 26, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Whether it is the 3 guard lineup

This reminded me of something that I don’t think anyone has mentioned…Nate put Miller back in the game with Blake and Roy towards the end, when NJ was making a run. I still think Nate likes these 3 guys when he needs a defensive stop, because they know best how to rotate on team defense as a unit

I agree with your “Swiss Army knife” lineup theory, but I’d also like to see Miller in the game as much as possible when Oden is playing. That necessitates Andre being the starting PG. Roy and Blake will always get significant time on the court together, you can count on that as long as Nate is the coach

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 12:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Viva la Steve Miller!

Or Andre Blake – team them with Gregzilla and feast on the opposition.

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by DonkeyShins on Nov 26, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

rec

"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09

by jamon51 on Nov 27, 2009 5:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I just wish Nate would bring in Andre a few minutes earlier in the first.

Blake coming off the bench = offensive stagnation
Miller coming off the bench = offensive conflagration

The problem with bringing in Andre “earlier” is that he’d be passing Oden on his way to the bench around the 6 minute mark of the 1st-3rd quarters. The difficulty, as others have pointed out, is that Roy “matches” with Blake, and Oden matches with Miller. But Greg has to start…which is why I’ve favored the RAWMO ineup (and let Steve, Rudy and the black unit fend for themselves)

But another thing to consider is that Brandon doesn’t tend to begin the game looking for his offense, he usually gets “warmed up” later. Since this is usually the case…why start Blake? Let Miller get Oden and LMA off to a good start early in each half, then take Andre and Greg out “together” at the 6 minute mark and bring in Blake and Przy and tell Brandon and LMA to “do what they do”. Then after they get tired, bring Miller/Oden back in alongside Rudy and start kicking tail and taking names in the 2nd quarter

The only “fly in the ointment” is Greg’s foul trouble, it’s impossible to predict when he’ll get those annoying 2nd and 3rd fouls that send him to the bench for extended minutes. Since this is the case, I’d rather see him get the “early” minutes of each half with Andre, instead of having to “hope” that the two of them will “discover” each other back out on the court at the same time, later in the game.

I think this is the best, most optimal playoff rotation. But I suspect Nate won’t consider it, until Steve gets hurt and it’s “forced” upon him

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Regarding this part
But another thing to consider is that Brandon doesn’t tend to begin the game looking for his offense, he usually gets "warmed up" later. Since this is usually the case…why start Blake?

I think the thing to remember is that Blake doesn’t get Roy going as much as Roy gets Blake going. So even if Roy isn’t really looking get his own game going early …his presence gets Blake’s defender off him…and whammo …open threes for Blake

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by 92wastheyear on Nov 26, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

but Brandon can set up Steve "anytime"

Right now, they’re doing that for the first 6 minutes of each half, but it could just as easily be done if Blake came off the bench at the 6 minute mark

So even if Roy isn’t really looking get his own game going early

It’s not just that Roy isn’t looking to score early, what I mean is that he’s usually not in “ISO mode” at the beginning of each half, and that’s when he needs floor-speaders like Blake, Martell and Rudy the most. At the beginning of the game, Brandon is more inclined to get the big guys involved. (I think this is Nate’s game plan on most nights, to build the offense from the inside, out.) So, it should make sense to also have Miller start the game, since feeding the post is the early-game strategy. If the defense packs the paint and “doubles” Greg and/or LMA, they’ve still got Webster and Roy as targets for outside shots, and Miller can repost the bigs as the defense is rotating back out

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions  

Miller has to play with Greg...

You hit the nail on the head:

The only "fly in the ointment" is Greg’s foul trouble, it’s impossible to predict

All the more reason to start Miller. That way, you guarantee some low post looks early in the game to GO. Miller and Rudy are the only two Blazers right now who know how to, look for, and like feeding the bigs…

I really wish the prospect of not starting Roy wasn’t such heresy (and Roy would be a hero to me if he’d suggest it, because that’s the only way it will happen), because a starting five of:

Miller, Rudy, (Batum eventually, but for now) Martell, LMA and GO are our best 5 fast break players (and 5 of our 6 best overall). I’d love to see this unit come out and instantly run, run, run to tire out the opposition. If the break isn’t there, feed LMA and GO down low.

Then, you bring in Blake, Roy, and Pryz at the 4 minute mark, and can run “the Portland” and./or establish Roy, or get Blake his open 3’s, against a tired, perhaps foul-plagued first unit or inferior second unit. Also, Blake might find his lack of speed less of a problem playing against a tired first or second string PG.

I think this is the best, most optimal playoff rotation. But I suspect Nate won’t consider it, until Steve gets hurt and it’s "forced" upon him

I stated back in the pre-season that I was “hoping” for a small, minor, injury that forced Blake out for enough games to get Dre in there… A little harsh perhaps, and I really don’t wish Steve any ill will, but I feel that injury or trade are the only ways Blake moves out of the starting lineup, which gives the Blazers the best chance of playoff success…

by Visionary2 on Nov 27, 2009 6:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I think the answer is to "Batumize" Blake.

Let Blake start, but limit him to Batum’s 18 minutes per game last season. He and Roy are used to each other, and Blake would be a disastrous fit with the second unit because of his limited penetration and playmaking skills.

This way, Roy is happy, because he can dominate the ball during Blake’s minutes.

Blake is relatively happy, because he gets to keep his starting role and gets his open threes from Roy.

Miller gets enough minutes on the floor with the first unit so that Oden gets his touches, and Miller and Roy can learn to play together before the playoffs.

Bayless can be paired with Miller or Rudy in the second unit for about 10-12 minutes per game so that he can continue to learn how to be an effective, efficient, bench scorer and gradually hone his PG skills. Personally, I like Bayless with Rudy because Rudy’s shooting balances Bayless’ ability to penetrate. When Bayless is paired with Miller, he is essentially standing in the corner doing the “Portland,” which isn’t teaching him anything and not taking advantage of his skills.

by upper left corner on Nov 26, 2009 8:13 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Perfect analogy

Nic was a key contributor last year, fit well with the starters, and on nights where he was really on his game, saw extended minutes. However, the lion’s share of the minutes went to TO. This is actually the perfect solution

The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)

by blazeraddict on Nov 26, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Getting bigs in foul trouble in first few minutes of game is standard strategy of all teams.

The book on the Blazers (or for that matter any team with a dominant big) is to try and get the dominant center into foul trouble in the first few minutes of the game. If successful, game becomes lot easier. If not, go to next stage of game plan. [This was standard strategy even against Shaq, only you had to hope that the refs would call the fouls].

Teams with dominant centers employ the same strategy in reverse. We used to hope like heck that Sabas didn’t get called for two quick early fouls, because that made the game so much harder.

Early in the year it was not clear that Oden’s post game was as good as it seems to be, and he is still improving. More recently, both Oden and the team are becoming confident. in this weaponry. It is quite likely that the team will evolve to featuring Oden early in the game for the deliberate purpose of putting the opposing team in foul trouble. However Blake would not fit into such a starting unit strategy.

by FromAfar on Nov 26, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

I can't see the game.

It seems like it is that way anyway.
Nate usually has either BRoy or LMA in the game at all times or at least most of the time, therefore Andre actually gets time with all the players. I don’t think any fan can argue that Andre is not the best PG. on the same token because of experience he is problably the best playmaker and court general the Blazers has.

BRoy is the second best, so everybody is arguing that those two needs to play together as playmakers. That is where I get confused. Why? If Steve and BRoy are not playing off each other then we lose part of our offense. If we put Andre in the second unit he is king and we lose nothing from him and BRoy and him can play together at different roles.

I know I don’t make sense, but I do not see the importance of Andre and BRoy playing together with one giving up part of their game when they can play apart and both flourish. I am not smart enough to understand why.

I like your idea of more or less rotating the rotation. That makes more sense then throwing the two kings in the ring together and fight for the rights to have the ball.

hg

by BBK on Nov 26, 2009 10:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Blake has still averaged 28 minutes per game since Nate dropped the three guard lineup.....

…..IMHO Blake’s production clearly does not warrant those kinds of minutes. I would like to see him between 10-20 minutes per game. If Bayless comes on, then other options become open for discussion.

I have been flamed for saying the team needs to think about the future with Blake given his free agent status. Do you resign him? Do you let him walk in the summer? Do you take a chance and trade him before the trade deadline? I agree that it is too early to really answer those questions, but the deadline will be here before we know it.

I think most of the talk about trading Miller is dieing down. It should. We have only scratched the surface of how much better this team could become with Miller at the helm and with a developing Oden in the middle. Defending this team is going to become very difficult when Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge are joined by the low block threat of Greg Oden and the slashing of Andre Miller. This is the future.

by upper left corner on Nov 26, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

@Nate's Doctor

Tryptophan is actually found in many foods (chicken, pork, cheese), not just turkey. In fact, many foods that we eat more often than turkey actually contain higher levels of tryptophan. The real reason people get sleepy after Thanksgiving dinner is because of all the food they ingest over a short period of time (not to mention alcohol). There is a sedative component to tryptophan, but it takes a very large amount for to have a full effect.

In short, FIRE NATE’S DOCTOR1

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by RipCity4Life on Nov 26, 2009 2:12 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

debunking urban myths in the strangest of places...

tryptophan is a precursor to serotonin – hence the connection to “sleep aid”. However, as RipCity4Life points out, tryptophan is present in turkey at levels similar to most poultry, and although some people take serotonin as a sleep aid (questionable effectiveness, at best) this is really a case of confused cause and effect. Heavy carbs + alcohol = induced sleepiness from a big meal.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2009 11:33 AM PST up reply actions  

The Inferno

I was thinking the same thing as you observed while watching Dante play. He was active defensively while playing within the offense on the other end of the court. It was refreshing to see a rookie like Dante, knowing when to pass or shoot and not take ill advised contested jumpers. Travis may be a lot better than Dante, but after just a couple months as a Blazer, Dante seems to be doing all the things we have wanted a backup PF to do for us.

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by Philthyanimal on Nov 26, 2009 3:14 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Seems like

4 years of high caliber college ball really pays off, doesn’t it? I love Trout, he’s a sweetheart, really…but I am loving what I’m seeing from Dante. I’m glad he’s getting some run this early in the season, dare I say Outlaw’s injury is a blessing in disguise? Another nice thing about all this is its opened the door for Rudy to show off his clutch ability…a lot of those shots he’s been taking would usually go to Travis, I feel a lot more comfortable with Rudy taking those.

by abobo84 on Nov 26, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Great post.

Giving Donte hope for playing time is a blessing in disguise. Much a Martell giving Batuum a chance was a blessing in disguise. Now, when Outlaw and Batuum comes back we have experience with Dante, Martell, Travis, and Batuum and regardless of who starts that will make us a stronger team in the future.

What I like about your post is you give props to upcoming players without having to chop the old players.

To me that is terrific.

hg

by BBK on Nov 26, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember saying that in regards to BBIQ

Dante > Travis, after watching Cunningham play a few games in Vegas. Soe Bedgers questioned this, but I think that they’re seeing what I was talking about, now

But if you’re Kevin Pritchard and you’re weighing your options for next year — Cunningham at less than $800,000 or Outlaw (even a discounted Outlaw taking into account the long-term injury) — you go with Cunningham.

This is why it’s such a shame that Outlaw got hurt when he did. One the one hand, it’s giving Dante the opportunity to play and develop—but that foot injury is going to “cost” Travis a lot of money in July—and it puts KP in a position where he’s not going to get anywhere close to full value for #25 in a trade, regardless of Trout’s expiring contract.

So, I suspect Portland will resign Outlaw to a short-term deal next July and we’ll be resuming our “too much depth, not enough PT to go around” discussions on BE next summer and fall. Perhaps KP will deal Travis around draft day next June, but only if he can find a team that will meet his asking price for a “healthy” Outlaw

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

typo

Soe = Some

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

shame for Outlaw, yes.

but not so much for the Blazers. And, and this is a big AND – it will still help Outlaw get what he really wants – a chance to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond (albeit at the cost of a few million dollars).

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2009 11:37 AM PST up reply actions  

it will be a "shame" for the Blazers

if Travis walks away at the end of the season as a UFA…somehow I don’t think KP will allow that to happen, without some compensation. I suspect Portland will “match” whatever (low-ball) offer that Outlaw receives in July (even though they don’t have the right of first refusal, I suspect Travis’ agent will be told to “check back” with Portland first, because down in his heart #25 doesn’t really want to leave PDX, he just wants to get paid and stay with Brandon and his original team)

If Outlaw somehow gets a huge FA offer and leaves the Blazers, then KP will have dropped the ball. He’s had multiple chances to deal Travis over the past 9 months, and—even though no one can predict when an injury might occur—it’s KP’s job to not let significant assets just slip away.

Outlaw >>>>> Frye + Sergio

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with the sentiment, overrall....

and I wasn’t advocating letting Outlaw go without some sort of compensation (although at this point that seems highly unlikely). However, DC is a better fit for Travis’s role with this team, and Travis has openly declared his desire to be a go-to player. If that is going to happen, it will happen with another team.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Travis' injury hurts his trade value...

To me, Trout’s biggest asset is his expiring contract.

I believe teams that are looking to get under the cap to participate in the free agent bonanza of the summer of 2010 would value his $3.6M more than his talent. (In other words, they plan to waive him, not keep him). IF that is true (and I’m certainly not in position to judge), then his injury shouldn’t hurt our ability to trade him,…

Unless you legally CAN’T trade an injured player. I’ve read that here a few times, but I searched the CBA for “injur”, and also another search for “trad” and didn’t find a single mention in there that you can’t trade an injured player… Can “somebody who knows” positively confirm or deny this?? Thanks…

by Visionary2 on Nov 27, 2009 6:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Bla...

I liked it when you just laid into how pathetic the teams we’re playing are.

it remindes me to stay humble ha ha ha ha ha ha /s

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by faith on Nov 26, 2009 4:44 AM PST reply actions  

i take exception to choosing cunningham over outlaw already

Trout has won us games with his cold blooded instinct and ability to get his shot.
just my opinion.

209 H.

by sctdnkl on Nov 26, 2009 5:28 AM PST reply actions  

I like your opinion.

Travis and Dante are two different types of players. If Dante had to guard Travis up and down the floor, he couldn’t keep up. If Travis had to block out Dante and stop his deadly jump shot he would be dead in the water.

I like the idea of developing Dante then when Travis comes back we will have a reserve for two different types of occasion. It might be Travis for fast-breaking offense and Dante for fast-breaking defense.

If we had Martell and Batuum doing the three and Dante or Travis and LMA doing the power forward, things would be very good.

hg

by BBK on Nov 26, 2009 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Yep.
Travis and Dante are two different types of players. If Dante had to guard Travis up and down the floor, he couldn’t keep up. If Travis had to block out Dante and stop his deadly jump shot he would be dead in the water.

I hate small ball myself and believe that games are won in the paint and lost by jumpshooting too much, so I’ve certainly got my mind made up if it’s ever a choice between these two…

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by timbo on Nov 26, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

ditto

Dante doesn’t have to be reminded to box out, where to be on defense and to always scrap for rebounds…and he’s been an NBA player for less than 6 months

OTOH, Travis has been an NBA player for 6 years and still looks “lost” out there

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions  

funny thing is that Travis and Dante are similar sizes, sans biceps.

Being a big is a mentality. Ask Carl Landry, who, by the way, is what I hope Dante can become. He was another skilled smallish center in college who ended up as a small, hyper-athletic backup 4.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

As I wrote above

I think this has opened the door for Rudy to show off his clutch ability…while he may not have won us any games flat out just yet, I think we will see at least one Rudy buzzer beater before the season is over…

by abobo84 on Nov 26, 2009 6:58 AM PST up reply actions  

He did send the Altlanta game to OT

I count that one

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by 92wastheyear on Nov 26, 2009 8:28 AM PST up reply actions  

talkin' ball ... sweet!

that riveting stare … priceless.

by Gaz on Nov 26, 2009 6:11 AM PST reply actions  

Agreed re/ Dante vs Trout

Trout giveth and Trout taketh away. Dante will never be as spectacular, but even as a rookie he’s rock solid. He’ll rarely hurt you.

Plus, Dante makes some plays Trout will never make. E.g, did you see that one-handed offensive rebound? The best part was how Dante out-quicked and out-muscled his man to get position. It was exactly what opponents are always doing to Trout. Almost made me forget about DeJuan Blair (sigh)…

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by hurryup09 on Nov 26, 2009 7:51 AM PST reply actions  

Absolutely

I’m trying hard not to imagine what the bench would’ve looked like if KP had drafted DeJuan and Dante…Cunningham is a great “out of area” rebounder who uses his instincts and quickness to pursue the ball off the rim. Blair is a hoss who gets position down low, where few NBA players can root him out, and just about any loose ball he can reach is “his”

OTOH, Outlaw dribbles once or twice and shoots contested jumpers, he can easily be bodied away from the basket and fails to keep average/reserve PFs boxed out

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

i take exception to your Outlaw attack

Outlaw was perfectly capable of taking good shots if he happened to be in position to take a good shot when he got the ball or his defender fell down….

Outlaw was perfectly capable of blocking people out if he remembered…

Outlaw also passed, once in a while….

Outlaw did block some shots, too…..

And most of the time, Outlaw knew he was guarding someone. He lost track of that someone, frequently, but how much can you really ask for?

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

We probably should ease off on Travis

I mean, the poor guy is hurt and his NBA career is at a cross-roads, it must be tough for him right now

but these Outlaw-Cunningham comparisons can’t be overlooked, and when the best interests of the team’s future playoff performances are taken into account, it’s hard not to get excited about what Dante brings to the equation. I think Monty Williams and the other coaches have “put” just about everything they can into Travis over the past few years, and we can all clearly see “what he is”. Now it’s time for them to “coach up” Dante, and I think they have some better “material” to work with, at least in regards to sculpting a significant 4-3 role player for a future finals team

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 1:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I do like Travis. Travis is a likeable guy.

When Travis was “on” – there were no complaints. It was just too hard to get truly comfortable with relying on him.

by blacknoiseNW on Nov 26, 2009 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Another solid effort from the Blazers, and those are interesting questions Ben

Dante is like the anti-Travis. But I think he’s more consistent than Travis and I likes me some consistency.

Maybe Miller is the answer on the second unit, but I agree the playoffs are a different animal.

For now I’m going to enjoy two overall well-played games in a row.

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 26, 2009 8:06 AM PST reply actions  

Dante is like the anti-Travis

Hey, that was my line!

Except I think I said “Dante is the anti-Trav” because it sounds similar to anti-gravity. That’s the one thing both Outlaw and Cunningham have in common, their hops. Dante hasn’t shown “his” that much yet, which is fine with me because Travis depended on his

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Outlaw vs. Dante

The $ is irrelevant but for the owner’s cashflow, right?

We are over the cap when Outlaw’s new contract would start anyway.

So the Blazers are not in a better position monetarily, although Paul Allen might be, by dropping Outlaw.

A sign & trade on the other hand…

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 26, 2009 8:22 AM PST reply actions  

Good.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 26, 2009 8:40 AM PST up reply actions  

He will retire as a Blazer

But that doesn’t mean he won’t be traded.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I mentioned in another thread and it bears repeating, maybe, that Travis and the Inferno are different players.

Travis is a fadeaway-shooting wing that plays out of position against power forwards to get maximum offensive bang for the buck. He is a bad passer and a weak dribbler, plays decent man defense when he tries, and is a poor rebounder.

Dante is a slightly undersized true power forward. He moves well without the ball, thrives on midrange open looks, and has excellent rebounding technique and a desire to rebound.

They are both useful to have in the toolbox. If it comes to an either/or for a backup power forward, for me that’s an easy call.

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by timbo on Nov 26, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

interesting, so you’re calling Dante an actual big now? i remember you saying that he had the body of a 3 earlier… I think you are right though, he thinks like a big.

He also boxes out like a beast. He denied Lopez the boards a few times by simply getting low and using his strong legs to create leverage.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

The Blazers see him as a big

Prunty said as much when interviewed during summer league,and Portland asked Cunningham to “bulk up” after he left Vegas. He also went to Tim Grg’s big man’s camp in August and received rave reviews (the scouts there said he would be an NBA starter in 2 years)

DC can play some bigger SFs that don’t penetrate well, but the long term plan is for Batum and probably Webster to split that job—with a little Brandon thrown in, at least as long as Rudy’s around

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 1:07 PM PST up reply actions  

A sign & trade on the other hand…

This made a lot of sense before Outlaw’s foot injury (but, like i wrote above) it’s going to be hard for KP to get equivalent talent back, in return for his “damaged goods” while Travis is on the mend. The situation is similar to Webster’s, last year. Opposing teams are going to want to see Outlaw back out on the floor before making that kind of significant investment, because no one knows for sure how successful a player will come “back” from a foot injury—especially one who depends so much on his leaping ability.

If KP can use Trout’s expiring contract in a lopsided trade to get the “final piece” he’s looking for, then maybe. But based on KP’s reluctance to do a midseason deal when he had RLEC (and an injured Blake) at last February’s deadline, I suspect any potential deal including Outlaw will come in the window between the end of the 2010 season and July 1st (draft night, etc) By then, #25 should be cleared for basketball activities again, unless he has a “setback”

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 11:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I thought I read somewhere

That Outlaw’s foot injury was more of the ‘freak accident’ rather than ‘damaged goods’ variety injury (e.g. they don’t expect Trout to have chronic foot problems as say, compared to Martell where they’re much more cautious after the re-break). Not that I want to see Travis don another uniform, but if they decide to sign & trade, I don’t think his value will be diminished too much given his scoring prowess.

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by DonkeyShins on Nov 26, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Really enjoyed the 2-man game

between Andre and LA. Each game, the bigs are learning how easy Andre can make things. And it’s only going to get better. LA and GO don’t really know what it’s like to play with a playmaker.

by lickety brindle on Nov 26, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

You got it right, mate.
He plays Oden just six minutes in the first quarter, regularly pulls him if he picks up a second foul in the first half and lives to fight in the fourth quarter. The reasoning in both cases is simple: try to be in a position to win at the end of the game and expect that a more disciplined team with all its weapons ready to go has a better probability of winning games than a team that takes risks early in a game that might compromise its ability to compete at full strength late in games.

Good job on “Talkin’ Ball.” You came out of the gate at 7,000 words a minute but pretty quickly got it slowed down to a conversational TV tempo and your insights were always on the money — particularly about The Inferno supplanting Trav.

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by timbo on Nov 26, 2009 8:37 AM PST reply actions  

Today I'm thankful for the Blazers..

Dante is rock solid, but it’s to soon to compare him and Travis long term. Nic will come back first , and change the rotations we see now.

"That's just how I get down"........ Andre Miller

by FrenchieFan on Nov 26, 2009 9:02 AM PST reply actions  

Dante needs time

The notion that Dante is superior to Travis is laughable…I hope Ben will read this and realize he needs to stop mixing his fantasy basketball with the real NBA Blazers.

1. Dante has played some minutes in two games so far…he has had a good shooting stroke and some athletic play on defense, but not any game influencing minutes.
2. Travis has proven to be a very reliable 4th quarter producer in scoring, clutch/pressure shots, and free throws…do you forget that Travis was mentioned last year as a 6th man candidate by the NBA?
3. Travis provides a reliable option for BRoy in the 4th quarter if BRoy’s opportunities breaks down…Travis has hit multiple game winners (shots or free throws) for the Blazers over the last two years.

I like the future for Dante, but he has not proven to be as complete a player as Travis…and in the NBA you must earn your reputation…not have it handed to you by a Blazer blogger.

Last question: If Travis or Batum were healthy, would Dante be getting any minutes right now? No. Dante’s minutes are a result of injuries and once those two players come back, he will return to the bench.

That’s not taking anything away from Dante, but it’s the truth.

by jonathanevans1963 on Nov 26, 2009 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

i think outlaw is gone if Dante keeps doing what hes doing

and he’s only going to get better

Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!

by CroRupt on Nov 26, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

Trout (hopefully, was, not is) a perfect fit for "the Portland"... but not...

for the effecient, low-post ball-movement oriented game I see the Blazers beginning to develop.

What I mean is, if you’ve got BRoy pounding the ball for 15 seconds, and then the defense adjusts and doubles him, you need a guy who can create a shot when nothing is there (and that, to me, is Travis’ only NBA level skill).

If, on the other hand, your money play begins by going to the deep block to Greg, and he adjusts to the double by passing it out, one more pass will almost always get you an open shot, meaning a guy like Rudy can take an open set shot rather than a Trout leaping prayer…

And if we don’t need that one-on-one shot making ability as much, then I’d much rather have a guy on the floor who knows how to box and board…

I tell ya, trading Blake and Travis, even if for nothing more than a draft pick or two, would SO improve this team. by giving more complete players time…. c’mon KP, you can do it…

by Visionary2 on Nov 27, 2009 6:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Nice analysis on Nate's use of Oden, Ben.

I’m not really a Big Ten football fan, so I’ll leave that part alone, but I think you are fairly close to the mark on McMillan’s thinking when it comes to Greg’s use. I would only add that I also beleive there is additional learning or educational component to it. I believe Nate is conditioning Greg to play a certain way. (And it is certaintly a topic for debate as to whether this is the best or most effective manner inwhich to teach Oden.)

With regard to his conservative approach – I come down on the side of the argument that McMillan’s strategy is pretty sound. How many basketball games have we seen where one team comes out smoking hot in the first half or dominates a particular quarter, only to see it come back to earth or have the other team play its way back into the game? If I had $10 for everytime an announcer or commentator said “Basketball is a game of runs.” I’d be spending this Thanksgiving in Hawaii. Therefore, a strategy of putting your team in a position to win in the 4th quarter makes perfect sense. Sure, we all would like to see our team win every quarter by 5 or 10 points and average a plus 25 point margin of victory. But why not ask to be the richest, strongest, fastest, most intelligent, best looking, most well endowed person on the planet? One is just as realistic as the other. (Even I only manage three of the six.)

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by timg56 on Nov 26, 2009 11:10 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Yo Ben

Did you meet the creepy guy who implores us to watch Talkin’ Ball while filming under an afghan? If not, it doesn’t count.

by robrun2 on Nov 26, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

My favorite part of the game?

I think Rudy had already hit three of his threes, and he’s camped out in the corner.

Three, literally three! NJ coaches are standing right behind Rudy, pointing and yelling for their players to get on him. Swish, Rudy for three. Oops, poor Jersey coaches.

by Section323 on Nov 26, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

Actually, that play was my favorite too. The Nets guessed our plan out of the time out and went to the zone to scheme against our play. Andre and Rudy realized that the zone had three out front and two inside, so they found eye contact and then Andre made the beautiful pass to Rudy.

We made the absolute perfect improvisation against their type of zone. Rudy and Andre’s BBIQ is off the charts.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

that reminds me of the article on Battier

there was a loose ball that Shane knew his team would get, so he ran to the corner and received the pass for a dagger trey

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I remember when we used to suck at getting on three point shooters.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 10:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Miller starting and the Second Unit

Most teams Second Units don’t have a stud SF and are starting to go small.
Why not start Miller and go w/Blake,Bayless and Rudy,Dante and Pryz as the Second Unit? Bayless gives a sorta Roy-Lite and Blake should have no problem finding Rudy curling off Dante screens.

by Tisbee on Nov 26, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

Has anyone noticed the insane amount of lob passes into the paint?

Our coach has finally figured that while the defenders athleticism won’t let them reach the ball quick enough the legth of our big men can more than make up for it behind them.

It’s awesome.

#88 > #23 > #25

Updated for latest line-up:

#5 > #2

by The Pirate on Nov 26, 2009 7:15 PM PST reply actions  

that is a very good point.

i cry for nic

by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Did anybody see when Bayless made Batum smell his fingers?

Right before the second half started, they showed Batum on the bench and Jerryd turned around and messed with him. Batum gave him the death stare.

"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST

by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 10:56 PM PST reply actions  

Rudy

I think rudy should start

by rudyy5 on Nov 26, 2009 11:35 PM PST reply actions  

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