Game 17 Recap: Trail Blazers 93, Nets 83
Another night, another victory over a team the Blazers should beat. How you look at it depends on your philosophy, I suppose. Skeptic: Portland had better be winning these games. You can't tell anything yet. Fan: Every team is a team the Blazers should beat! Either way, winning beats the heck out of losing, as you could tell by the Nets' expressions (Brook Lopez aside) walking off the floor.
The Blazers did the right thing early, going to Oden and letting the Nets try to stop him. He scored twice before they sent reinforcements. At that point Roy and Webster had free jumpers and the offense was rolling. Well...except for a couple possessions when Blake over-dribbled the ball like he was the shooting guard again. The players just can't let that happen. They have to give him more options. He has to take them. Meanwhile the Nets tried Chris Douglas-Roberts a couple of times before they settled into their theme for the evening: Brook Lopez, Brook Lopez, Brook Lopez. It was as single-note as a Britney Spears hit, but it also worked like a Britney Spears hit. He started tipping and flipping, adding a dunk or two along the way for good measure. Greg Oden had picked up a near-immediate foul to start the game. While he kept a body on Lopez he wasn't going to go after him hard. Joel Przybilla couldn't stop him either. But the inside-out attack of the Blazers beat the inside-in attack of the Nets and Portland exited the period up 5.
At that point both teams signed a cease-fire treaty. Well, technically speaking it wasn't a cease fire since both teams kept firing. It was more of a cease-hitting treaty. For the better part of the next two quarters the Blazers were content to moderate the tempo and trade possessions with the Nets. It started with a Miller-Bayless-Rudy lineup that just didn't work on the offensive end. The mediocrity continued as the Blazers got looks for everyone except LaMarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden. Considering Brandon Roy was on the bench at the time that means nobody that a casual New Jersey fan would recognize shot the ball. Finally Aldridge started getting shots in the final third of the period, bolstered a little by Miller. Coincidentally the ball started going through the hoop. Meanwhile the Nets decided that Brook Lopez wasn't the answer after all...that experimenting was more fun. Each team scored 21 in the second period.
Since the beginning stretch of the cease-hitting treaty went so well the teams agreed to extend it not only in length but in scope. Evidently the final goal was total disarmament...neither team damaging the other in any way, putting the ball through the hoop being replaced by an emotion-baring drum circle around the center court logo, punctuated by the steady blowing of the 24-second horn. The Blazers spent much of the third quarter packing in the defense. After watching Greg Oden score again early in the period the Nets did the same. There was drought. There was famine. There was a mass rush to the concession stand, followed by an 18-minute wait for munchies, followed by returning to seats only to realize that the score was two points different than when you left. New Jersey snuck in a couple layups early. Portland pushed tempo and got some secondary break buckets late. The Nets scored 12 in the quarter, the Blazers 13.
After two quarters of mutual non-hostility Rudy Fernandez finally stepped forward and said, "This is not macho. This is not sexy. This is not allowing me to demonstrate the best traditions of Spanish basketball which my forbears gave into my sacred trust." And he immediately began peppering New Jersey with those insufferable, impossible threes he hits. In true 2009-10 Nets fashion they responded, "Ow! Hey, that hurt! Be more careful...ow! But we promised not to...ow! That's it! RELEASE THE BROOK LOPEZ!" The waters roared and foamed as the great behemoth rose from the depths. There sat the lovely win, chained to a rock, easy prey for whoever would come to claim her. Lopez hit free throws, post shots, spinning layups, tip shots. But it was too late. The medusa head of Rudy's shooting combined with some timely Miller assists and Oden dunks, ended the threat. The ending credits saw the Blazers up by 10, streamers falling, and the Nets looking elsewhere for their first win of the season. Portland didn't win comfortably--the score had been tied midway through the third and the Blazers only led by 6 going into the final period--but they won. That's the important thing.
Portland got past getting obliterated in the paint (a 52-28 points in the paint edge to New Jersey when all was said and done) by shooting 50% from the field, 53% from the arc, and tallying 25 assists on 35 made buckets. The offense was basically right, the Nets couldn't hit a three to save their souls, and that was the ballgame.
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Individual Observations
Brandon Roy had a quiet night, taking only 10 shots in 39 minutes, hitting 5 of them, and scoring 13 points with 5 assists and 3 turnovers. On the one hand you say the Blazers didn't need more Brandon tonight. But I'm not as fond of nights like this simply because I think it's hard to make the adjustment between Brandon turning it on and off game to game...if not for him, for the team. You know you're going to need him. Keep the wheels greased. The early-90's Blazers didn't need Clyde every single night but he still got plenty of shots. I think Andre Miller has the right idea that Greg Oden needs to be fed first to get him in the game and establish inside strength. That frees up the whole court for other offensive players. I also think LaMarcus needs to be established early. But once that has happened I think the team really needs to concentrate on getting Brandon his. It worries me a little that we have plenty of players in the middle rotation (Rudy, Martell, Travis) who need to score to feel important. Props to them, they're good players. But Brandon is at the head of the list, period. Feed him.
Greg Oden had another good offensive night, bowling his way to 18 points, 8 rebounds, and 4 blocks. The team is really starting to rely on him. They don't look the same without him. Good job keeping his head when the whistles blew too. Even though he got 5 fouls he never looked in danger of fouling out.
LaMarcus Aldridge operated mostly from the perimeter tonight, hitting 4-13 shots but also drawing 5 foul shots (which is a good number for him) on his way to 12 points and 8 rebounds. More impressively he got 4 assists. His assist numbers are inching their way up and staying there. This is a great expansion of his game. The opponent used to know exactly what was going to happen when LMA got the ball. Now they have to guess at least a little bit. Between the two of them our starting big men tallied 6 assists which was as much as any individual guard.
Rudy Fernandez got hot late, ending the game having hit 4 of 5 three-pointers for 12 points. He took this game from a close shave to a sure victory. This was good, as his first quarter shift was filled with serious defensive mistakes reminiscent of old Rudy more than this year's model. This team is just begging for Rudy to be great right now. The door is wide open. I hope he can move through it. His entry is dependent on attention to detail as much as anything. He's got to be precise out there.
Martell Webster hit 4 of 8 shots, 2-4 from the arc, for 10 points. He looked confident in his shot. It was hard to tell how well he was playing defensively as the Nets didn't field a lot of threats. Overall he looked a little more energetic than in the last couple of games, likely because he was connecting.
Steve Blake scored 8 points on 3-6 shooting and had 4 assists. When he blends in with the offense it's seamless. As mentioned above, though, when the opponent forces him to stick out it's still not pretty. I'm appreciative of Steve and yet restless with Steve at the same time. I think that the injuries have put him in a place to which he's not suited. Every single time he puts the ball on the floor and tries to attack I wish it were Brandon instead.
Andre Miller helped us push the tempo again, benefitting LaMarcus and several others. The Blazers' secondary break is a potent weapon with almost any conceivable trailer being able to score and/or dunk. Miller knows how to work it. The simple defense tonight (help Oden guard the middle at all costs) benefitted Andre as much as it did Martell. 10 points and 6 assists in 26 minutes.
Joel Przybilla exploded for 10 rebounds in 18 minutes. Nice! He also committed 5 turnovers in those 18 minutes. Not so nice. Still love the effort though.
Dante Cunningham pulled 17 minutes tonight. That's a pretty big chunk for a young fella. He looked energetic and as confident as ever. He didn't play perfectly but he made up for it with effort and having a decent sense of where to be on the court, which I believe is all the coaching staff expects from its rookies. He hit 3-6 shots for 6 points, which was good. He got 5 rebounds and a steal too. That was better. His 2 assists topped off the cake. Looking for others hasn't been a strong suit of our forward corps for years. If this guy has any kind of court vision and unselfishness, I think my toes are going to start curling. Don't expect the world yet, but put another small notch in Cunningham's holster.
Jerryd Bayless got 5 minutes and finished a nifty drive for 2. But he also committed 2 personal fouls, had a little trouble defensively, and couldn't find any kind of groove or create one for others.
Final Thoughts
I'm thankful the Blazers won this won. I'm thankful some of the guys around Roy are starting to look better, both individually and together. I'm thankful for the 12-5 record. I'm thankful that we'll be seeing moderately tougher competition soon so we can be honed and tested more. And I'm thankful for all of you who make Blazersedge the site it is. Happy Thanksgiving to all.
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--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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by hisblazergrrrl on Nov 28, 2009 1:22 AM PST up reply actions
Oden is the missing piece
It’s so much fun to watch this team mold to him, it feels like Oden is becoming a key part of the action instead of the fifth wheel. Last year offense was often 4 on 5 and on the other side of the ball I don’t think the perimeter players had it in their heads to protect him from foul situations.
Tonight wasn’t pretty but we saw that Oden can hold his own against a great young center and that the Blazers aren’t 4 guys plus Greg anymore. They’re a different animal when he’s on the floor and now he looks comfortable on both ends. Letting him feast on weak teams early, and getting everyone else involved in playing off him, might pay big dividends later in the season.
Happy Thanksgiving!
Love the 'Kraken' bit
Very MST3K. Now if you could only work in the phrase “Deep Hurting” you’d be golden.
"My shoulder is OK. And away we go." -- Nic Batum
"wang-dang diddly wubba SPROING wow-wow" -- Dave
Kraken?
What, was Brook Lopez’s rotting corpse found washed up on an Indian Ocean beach?
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by EngineerScotty on Nov 25, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Miller and Aldridge are developing some good chemistry
the pick and roll, screen and hand off, miller cutting to the lane
they seem to getting more and more comfortable with each other
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on Nov 25, 2009 11:37 PM PST reply actions
Oden,Rudy,and Miller are playing well so far,
but they should go together in the tunnel during the anthem, and they will come out All-stars.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
not exactly storm the court material
but a w’s a w. the rotation as is seems to be jelling (or is it gelling?) more and more game to game. the story of the night to me is 17 minutes for cunningham. looks like nate finally found a rookie that he trusts.
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by staceyaugmon4HOF on Nov 25, 2009 11:42 PM PST reply actions
Watching this game I was thinking the exact same thing about Roy he needs to get his
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WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Best Blazer this season
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 25, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions
Yup
Crazy as it seems, he has almost zero bad games, if ya take away the foul problems (a big thing to take away, granted).
He has been genuinely awesome and it shows in every stat— except per game (besides blocks).
Oh well, once he can play 30 minutes, the per game stats will catch up. 18 points in 24 minutes is pretty nice. 4 blocks even nicer.
Mort
Sooner or later
Oden, Roy, and LMA will all mesh and form a NBA Voltron.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 12:06 AM PST up reply actions
I'm about to watch the game now
The score got ruined for me, so I decided to read about it, then watch.
How much gooder did Lopez look?
I mean, the game we get Oden 25 shots, will be the game he scores 30 as well, but still— Lopez has been very good, and 10 offensive boards is crazy. Was Oden truly “no match for Lopez”, as the AP report says?
M—
It was a good match
…but Lopez is a special player for sure, especially offensively.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Fair comparison
Ceiling might be little higher, and his game is more inside-oriented, but good comparison.
Lopez did most of his damage when Pryz was in the game. His o-reebs were off a lot of his misses as well.
When Greg was in the game it wasn’t light and day. The Net announcers debated Oden v. Lopez.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 25, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
Lopez is great...but...
Dude got 25 shots this game. The day Oden gets 25 shots in a game is the day I am the head coach.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions
The season he gets 25 shots in a game
He’s an MVP candidate. (a legit one and not the phrase we shout in the RG every time we beat a good team).
The Net announcers debated Oden v. Lopez
Yeah, they said that they’d prefer Brook. Based on the game he had last night, what would you expect Spanarkel to say?
I’ll just trot out my favorite Greg quote…“All I know is, my team made the playoffs in my first year. That’s how I see it”
AK1984 must be out hunting the wild turkey, because I haven’t seen any of his “Lopez >>> LMA” responses, yet
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
the point is that they at least considered the debate.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
LA/Pryz defended Lopez most of the game
due to early Oden fowl…err foul trouble… mmmm turkey
by undutchable on Nov 25, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
AP says he was no match?
Hah. Oden looked good, Lopez looked like he was being fed the ball non-stop. ESPN was much more complimentary tonight actually.
I think it was AP.
It was the NBA.com recap, which is pulled from the AP.
The AP has been weird with Oden this year. I think it isn’t Anne Peterson anymore. Stuff like “Oden started well, but then did nothing the rest of the way” during games where that was obviously untrue… it’s just odd.
What should I look for in the game, Timmay, Cabby, N-2-Dheepan, S4E, The Undutchables, and Get Ur’ Jamon51?
Morty Pie
story was written by Kerry Eggers of all people
strange.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
Lopez brings a lot more to the table offensively, in terms of variety to his game
and he’s better at avoiding foul trouble. I am watching the game right now actually (I watched the Kings game with my grandparents tonight— Donte Greene was a monster— JSmoov on D and ’Shard on O). So far, Oden has played him evenly. I am halfway through the 3rd quarter. Like you say, Lopez needed 25 shots to get his points. New Jersey relies on him a lot.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
I don't mean to make it sound too negative, of course
Yeah, he got 25 shots, but he made 13 of them. That’s a good percentage.
If Oden had 25 shots, or the chance at 25 shots regularly… I could only dream.
Lopez has to be, for sure, a lot more polished and refined offensively. That’d be pretty bad for him if that wasn’t the case, but he’s a rarity in today’s game— young, polished, good to great inside scorer, big, can block shots… one of the best draft steals of recent years.
M—
I really wish we had him.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
his TS%, rebound rate and PER are all down from last year (at least before tonight)
His usage is up quite a bit which likely explains the drop in TS%. Kind of interesting. Marc Gasol looks like the bigger steal considering he was a 2nd rounder.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
Brook's PER is now higher than last year after tonight
at 18.82 its still only 14th among Cs though.
Oden’s is up to a whopping 23.62— Tim Duncan is at 27.77, Pau at 27.56 and a certain Dwight Howard at 23.56. Yep, Oden’s is higher than Dwight’s. Bynum is at 21.92.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
Oden's numbers are passing the eyeball test too
You can watch him play and he’s clearly starting to dominate.
It’ll be very interesting when he faces Gasol. Howard or Shaq. Shaq gave him fits last year and laughed about it.
Oden (before tonight's game)
Regular Season Ranks
* Ranks #21 in the NBA in Rebounds Per Game (8.4)
* Ranks #1 in the NBA in Field-Goal Percentage (0.640)
* Ranks #3 in the NBA in Blocks Per Game (2.31)
* Ranks #9 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds (43)
* Ranks #15 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per Game (2.7)
* Ranks #17 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds (91)
* Ranks #29 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per Game (5.7)
* Ranks #13 in the NBA in Total Rebounds (134)
* Ranks #1 in the NBA in Blocks (37)
* Ranks #34 in the NBA in Double-doubles (3)* Ranks #42 in the NBA in Field Goals Per 48 Minutes (8.99)
* Ranks #19 in the NBA in Offensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (5.3)
* Ranks #9 in the NBA in Defensive Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (11.2)
* Ranks #7 in the NBA in Rebounds Per 48 Minutes (16.5)
* Ranks #2 in the NBA in Blocks Per 48 Minutes (4.56)
* Ranks #22 in the NBA in Total Efficiency Points (287)
* Ranks #40 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking (17.94)
* Ranks #4 in the NBA in Efficiency Ranking Per 48 Minutes (35.34)
* Ranks #45 in the NBA in Turnovers Per 48 Minutes (3.69)
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions
Thanks, Sabas!
Wow, #1 in blocks and field goal percentage… And much higher ranking per minute… Sounds like Greg just needs time to be the force we’re all dreaming expecting he becomes…
What's funny is Joel has 129 rebounds
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 9:36 PM PST up reply actions
agreed.
Meanwhile, Roy’s is way, way down from last year. 24 to 18.5. Its a bit of a concern. He’s barely been one of the top 50 players in the league so far. Also, Dante is the man. His PER is still above 20, which gets a little more impressive every time he adds some more minutes to his sample size. He’s obviously not going to stay up there, but he looks good.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
Haha, Lopez PER barely went up
What a chump!
Good 2nd year centers add at least 4 points to their PER— everyone knows that.
The Nets need to sell high on Lopez— and that’s just what y’all have to realize, sooner or later, and that’s that!!
Mortimer
yeah, they should trade him for a real shooter. LaMarcus Aldridge.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions
LMA wishes he got 25 shots
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 2:01 AM PST up reply actions
And if he starts getting that many shots
I’ll be screaming bloody murder or we are just a really bad team. Neither is pretty.
Lopez manhandled Przybilla.
Dante was really good. He set one pick for Andre that was just crushing. An actual solid pick.
Rudy was ballin’ in the fourth.
Roy was pretty passive.
LMA took way too many long jumpers again.
Main key to this game was it was boring. A good team just yawning and beating a bad team.
Make no mistake though, the Nets were trying really hard tonight.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions
Yep. the Nets looked better than their record indicated.
Andre Miller looked good again, and changed the game when he was in.
Roy and LMA were surprisingly invisible. This was all about the supporting cast tonight. Roy is starting to master his fadeaway, it will make a couple appearances.
Oden will get rung up within seconds of the start of each half again, affecting the entire game.
There will be a massively small-ball lineup in the second quarter that has some fun.
Cab isn’t joking about Rudy. The Nets announcers didn’t know what to say.
Both teams played a grind-it-out game tonight. It rarely felt like the final result was truly in doubt.
Ditto
I’m gonna watch it when I get home from work at 4 am. I cheated and looked at the box score. Holy crap Lopez can play.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
no match?
I suppose if you are looking at the boxscore, it could look that way. But watching the game, not at all. I’d say Lopez dropped maybe 10 of his points when Oden was on him, with the rest coming on Przy or LMA. Oden probably got 12-14 of his on Lopez. To me, their matchup looked like a draw.
How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009
Lopez had a fantastic game statistically, but he didn't leave his imprint on it the way Greg did
When Oden was in the game he looked like the best player on the court. Lopez looked like option 1a, b, and c, he looked effective but not special. He was good, but it was a very even matchup, that I might even give the edge to Oden to just because of how dimension altering he looked on D.
And like others mentioned LA and Roy weren’t really doing too much. Andre did a pretty good job running the team and the offense. Blake made the offense look stagnant at times. We had a Miller-Rudy-Bayless lineup at one point that looked pretty hideous out there. Cunningham got a lot of burn, hit his shots, played naturally, looked pretty good.
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WORD UP.STAY.FRESCO
Yeah Dante only occasionally looked like a rookie
For the most part, he was sniffing for rebounds missed by Greg and Joel, and stayed active at both ends.
"[Cunningham] didn't play perfectly"
I thought it was about as perfect a game as you can expect from a rookie in one of his first games with significant minutes. He was filling up the stat sheet from one side to the other without damaging the flow of the offense. When he’s on the floor I perk up and take notice, because I’ve been noticing the little things he’s doing well. In fact, one of his buckets got taken away by a 3 second call. Not sure what he did that Dave didn’t like (missing a couple shots I guess) but I felt he played perfectly for the expectations.
"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09
Limited Oden minutes
I’m still baffled by the “2 fouls and you sit” rule for Oden. Certainly seems like any team will go at him early to get him out of the game. If we can’t test Oden to see if he can play with fouls when we play New Jersey or Minnesota, when will we test him?
Also seems like Miller gets the whole team involved. Let’s see some time with the Miller/Roy/Webster/Aldridge/Oden line-up. Roy can play the 2 with minimum “sacrifice” and everyone gets some touches with the more efficient inside-out model.
More of a “thank goodness we didn’t lose” than a “fun win” feeling to the game.
It is as if Nate painted a bullseye in the middle of Oden's forwead
It gives the opposing team an enormous incentive to go straight at Greg. Nothing like setting up the big guy to fail.
A lot of basketball is about perception: perception of the zebras; perception of the opposing coach and the opposing players. Seems to me that more than anything, Nate’s “strategy” perpetuates the perception that Oden commits fouls and has a foul problem. Not a good way to get your budding star more respect and the benefit of the doubt in a game where a lot of calls are judgement calls greatly affected by reputation.
I also notice a consistent pattern where Bayless gets no love from the zebras. Some of it is his extremely aggressive style of play, but a lot of it is simply not getting any benefit of the doubt. Tonight, Bayless got whistled trying to fight through a Lopez pick and stay with Harris. I slowed it down and watched in slow mo and Lopez clearly stuck out his hip and should have been whistled. Later Harris got Bayless in the air and it looked like there was almost no contact but Bayless got called. Finally, Bayless got whistled for travelling and I slowed it down and he took one step and a hop and passed. It was close, but not travelling.
The number of judgement calls and the inconsistency of those judgments is my least favorite aspect of the game. It doesn’t take much to affect the outcome of a game. I have nightmares thinking about Oden getting cheap whistles in the play-offs the way Sabonis used to against Shaq.
by upper left corner on Nov 26, 2009 7:53 AM PST up reply actions
I am sure every team's scouting report says:
“Send the kamikaze guards at Oden, he’ll pick up two—thank you refs, and Nate will pull him. We then have the opportunity to build a large enough lead that when he returns late in the 3rd, to dominate again, we will pull off the win despite Oden’s control of the paint. Nate’s pattern with Oden is utterly predictable, and we will build our gameplan around his mindless inflexibility.”
Nate is a good man, but unfortunately, not the right coach for this team.
by RenoBlazerFan on Nov 26, 2009 9:41 AM PST up reply actions
You nailed it.
The job of the management is to place your workers in a place where they can succeed. One of these days, Greg will need to learn to play with 2 fouls like the rest of the league.
While i do think Nate's strategy with Greg's usage is debateble ...
… I would argue that he isn’t worried about the perception of the officials. Rather his concern is Greg perceiving how Nate expects him to play and think on the court.
Nate knows that once Greg is playing the way he wants him, the perception of the ref’s will become a non-factor, or better yet, one of perceiving Oden as an exceptional athlete and basketball player. Greg learning to play the right way is far more important then any short term perception on the part of officials.
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Over the course of their six-game winning streak at the Rose Garden, the Blazers have defeated their opponents by an average of 17.2 points.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
YAWN
Wake me up when you got something new to tell me.
WE’RE AWESOME, I GOT THE MEMO LAST YEAR, THNX.
M!
It does sound like last year. Well...
Last season, at the end of the year.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions
strength of schedule
the wins won’t come so “easily” in December, enjoy the ennui while you can
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
I am really liking Dante. If he can expand his range out to 3 point land, he could be a dynamite role player.
Plays good D, rebounds, hits the mid-range J, doesn’t do anything stupid.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
i typically agree with dave's recaps
but this one i just can’t. to me tonight was the tale of two point guards – the best of times and the worst of times.
when steve blake was at the point, the blazers were a shade above awful with the exception of oden. blakes 25 minutes felt like 250 this evening. he hesitated when left open he wasted time dribbling aimlessly and he got torched on the perimeter.
this game turned when blake was sent to the bench and andre miller returned in the third quarter. from there the blazers rolled and never really looked back.
the box score doesn’t quite tell the story tonite. both pg’s have similar stats but their effects on the game could not have been more different. i don’t have the +/- handy but i would wager a guess that it would tell a hugely different story in terms of the effectiveness of these guys.
the other somewhat disturbing thing about tonight is that the best lineup for the blazers tonite did not include brandon roy. i can’t remember a time in the last 3 years that i’ve felt that way. the 3rd quarter lineup tonite of miller / rudy / webster / aldridge / oden played very well.
it was also quite something to watch brook lopez. i mean i knew this guy was good but i had no idea what a beast of a low post guy he is while still having a good face up jumper. he also plays solid defense. what an amazing pick given he when like 10th or so? should he be the 2nd center as an allstar from the east. i can’t think of someone more deserving off the top of my head.
Insert usual disclaimer about 1 game plus minus
I believe Blake was -1, the only starter with a negative, and Miller was a +17.
M—
the offense flows better with Dre. Blake was not good in this game.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions
Don't forget the "3rd" PG
Devin Harris was a shell of his normal self…if he and Lopez both were at full strength last night I suspect NJ would’ve stolen their first W
Or, at least the Nets would’ve made Nate and Brandon sweat down the stretch
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
NBA LPBB's video player--
The worst, or the worstest video player ever?
It is like it was made to not work well. You can’t rewind or fast forward, can’t skip ahead, you can’t expand it without needing to reload the screen, it is just awful.
Why is it so awful? Everybody has better video players than this on every website. The existing technology has to be easy to copy or get a hold of. Why is it so crappy?
It’s not fun watching replays on LPBB because of it.
Mortimer
the worstest
the lack of RW and FF is inexcusable.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
It is just flat out awful.
Not being able to skip commercials, when they claim you can, because it goes back several minutes when trying to go forward… ugh.
When I move into my new place and get my TV hooked up, you can drive down and watch games on DVR, okay Jake?
M—
I AM THERE
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
Just get Comcast and their DVR
I don’t know how I lived for 22 years without it.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
DVR...
Hey, now I’ve found another thing to say I’m thankful for today, thanks!
The best invention of the last 20 years… I suspect the divorce rate has plummeted inversely with the rate of households that have a DVR…
Before leaving on vaca, I taped all 5 Blazer games I’ll miss… Might take me a couple of late nights, but I’ll see ’em!
I hope remembered to add extra time at the end of the recordings
they rarely allot enough time in the guide …especially for OT games and such
" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous
by 92wastheyear on Nov 26, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions
I usually have DirecTV and a DVR
I can’t imagine going back, and how shoddy LPBB is makes me miss it more.
M—
They use peer to peer technology to save hosting/bandwidth costs
Your own bandwidth helps to re-distribute the video. It looks like your regular flash video player, but it’s not.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
oh that is crazy. I had no idea.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions
Brook even shoots the illegal D tech for NJ
stat padder.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
NJ might challenge for the record for biggest improvement next year
Harris+Lopez+monster FA+#1 pick could be a pretty good team.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
ya know…. I think Aldrich-Lopez would be awesome.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions
imagine if they got Wade or something
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
that would be nice. I still think Wade and Bosh end up in Miami.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions
that's a scary combo.
'Cuse 88-Cornell 73. My Big Red failed to beat the spread by 2 points. Hence the new avatar.
definitely. I wonder about both of them with long term health, but it’d be deadly in the short run.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions
Don't sleep on Houston
With McGrady expiring, they can throw a max contract to someone if they renounce couple guys. I don’t know why no one is mentioning them in the Summer of LeBron since I think they are the 800lb gorilla in the room.
If you were a max guy, wouldn’t you love to play there? It’s warm, has a winning team with Yao returning, and best of all, no state income tax!
and I'm sure Daryl Morley
already knows exactly which FA he wants to pursue
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
Chris Bosh & Dwyane Wade in Miami makes a lot of sense.
For the New Jersey Nets, Cole Aldrich and Brook Lopez would be a similarly awesome one-two punch. In that scenario, I’d get a chance to watch Lopez play the 4 in the NBA.
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
What do you think...
Chris Bosh is to Kevin Garnett as Brooke Lopez is to Tim Duncan?
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 26, 2009 1:29 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah, there's a lot of Tim Duncan in Brook Lopez.
I, by the way, got a lot of flack for saying that in December of 2008.
http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/12/16/695520/a-modest-critique-of-kevin#10798345
Dear Paul Allen:
Fire Nate McMillan & hire Jeff Van Gundy.
Sincerely,
AK1984
Wow.
That’s great. I love that stuff. I’ve said a lot of dumb stuff in the past, so I can’t really fault anyone for getting it wrong, but this was my favorite:
If you see Duncan when Lopez plays you need glasses
Good call by the way. I always thought Lopez was going to be a decent roll player, but I didn’t know he was that good until I saw him play a couple times last season. To me, he’s already better than Aldridge and isn’t too far away from becoming one of the best bigs in the league.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 26, 2009 3:22 AM PST up reply actions
I didn't remember that comparison, but
I was thinking the same thing earlier (over on Ben’s recap) when someone compared Lopez to Brad Daugherty. Brook did remind me of a young Duncan, last night. Except that Timmy doesn’t have 20+ foot range on his jumper (and doesn’t need it)
Lopez >>> LMA, indeed. Too bad KP couldn’t have moved up one slot higher and drafted him instead of Bayless, eh?
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
ha I remember that. They are stylistically similar to be sure.
i cry for nic
by Cablinasian on Nov 26, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions
Yes.
Harris+Lopez+#1pick+ Lebron would be pretty good.
by Nick Van Excellent on Nov 26, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions
Lee is so bad he is left out of the "imagine their future" players?
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 2:04 AM PST up reply actions
Great Game
Dave, i thoroughly enjoyed your take on the game. The balance between substance and style is perfect in your article. The team seems to be able to shine individually and you can see glimpses of them doing it collectively. Young Mr. C is playing his heart out and Oden rules!!
Dante Cunningham
“Merry thanks..I mean happy thanksgiving..I’m already too excited for christmas”
It doesn’t get any better for a rookie.
"Good, Better, Best, never let it rest until your good is your better and your better is your best." Tim Duncan
Reminds me of an old book title
Joe Namath biography, early ‘70s "I Can’t Wait for Tomorrow, ’cause I Get Better Looking Every Day"
Yes you do, Dante. So does Oden.
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
This was a good win. The Nets did not look like the terrible team that they are. They really get after it defensively, and have a pretty damned exciting and good center.
Wow. Saw Lopez in person for the first time tonight. I just feel sorry for a team when they can’t win a game when their center puts up 34 and 14 or whatever silly stats he had tonight. He did it against a pretty formidable front line of Greg, LMA, and Joel too. He is for real.
I love that we don’t usually need to double team centers, but tonight was an obvious case where our bigs needed help, and I don’t think we are very good at doubling centers. Probably because we don’t do it very often. I have a feeling the next time we face a hot center we will do a little better. Lopez almost single handedly got them their first win tonight.
Harris did not look good tonight. I was worried about his quickness vs our porous perimeter defense, but it turned out to be pretty much a non-factor, especially when Brooke Lopez was torturing us inside. Overall good win.
Brrok Lopez impressed
and the Nets managed to stop nearly all penetration. I also remember thinking on some of the few times we got it into the painted area with a drive we passed it off when the player should have actually taken the shot. But overall I am happy to see them working inside out consistently, even on a bit of an off night last night it will still win a lot of games for us.
Got to give credit to the Nets, they out worked us, they just don’t have enough in their arsenal. I also wish I could figure out NBA officiating, but oh well, can’t have everything…
"Oh Yeah!" ~ Kool Aid Man
Have the jersey contest results from the last Minnesota game been lost in space?
Also I’m fairly certain I selected a different result to a question in the last one than is shown, but maybe dropdown menus don’t remember your selection and go back to the default if something is changed.
Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam
I think I watched a different game than everyone else
Granted, my wife was yapping away about her day and woman stuff while trying to get a turkey ready. I need to get better at tuning her out.
I was impressed with Chris Douglas-Roberts and upset that Devin Harris didn’t do more cool things, and for some reason, I hardly noticed Brook Lopez.. When I looked at the box score, I was surprised at how well he did.
I think I need to watch the game again without the ball and chain.
Harris is coming back from injury
And Frank is limiting his minutes and role right now. He will do cool things in the near future.
CDR is one of the guys I wanted last year. He’s just a straight baller, not always pretty but effective.
I'm rewatching it now
The 4th quarter is just about so start. I still kind of agree with what I first wrote. Lopez is a great player but he’s basically the best player on a crappy team. I’m watching him and he is really smart and always in the right position. He is kind of a Shane Battier of centers.
That's why I don't like watching Blazer games at a bar
I can never remember how we won or lost when I get home…and no, not because of that.
"Oden is a man among cub scouts."
by Tyrusmancrush on Nov 23, 2009 9:08 PM PST
by Sabonis4Ever on Nov 26, 2009 9:39 PM PST up reply actions
My two cents from the cheap seats...
I agree that we need to see more offense from Roy; but I disagree that they should “feed him”. Our team captain and only All-star should take over and control his own destiny.
"Easy for you to say coach, you don't have Big Greg rolling up on your blind side about to lay the wood to you." - Batum
by No you di'nt on Nov 26, 2009 8:13 AM PST via mobile reply actions
i wish roy would take more than 10 shots. hes way too unselfish
have him take 15-20
Trade for Luis Amundson!!Do it KP!!
"hes way too unselfish"
Do you even read Bedge??
" Welcome to the Bedge....where good, is never good enough"…Rudiculous
by 92wastheyear on Nov 26, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions
I think Andre Miller has the right idea that Greg Oden needs to be fed first to get him in the game and establish inside strength. That frees up the whole court for other offensive players. I also think LaMarcus needs to be established early. But once that has happened I think the team really needs to concentrate on getting Brandon his.
(Rather than write a completely new response to this, I’ll just edit what I wrote earlier in response to Ben’s game recap)
The difficulty, as others have pointed out, is that Roy "matches" with Blake, and Oden matches with Miller. But Greg has to start…which is why I’ve favored the RAWMO ineup (and let Steve, Rudy and the “black” unit fend for themselves)
But another thing to consider is that Brandon doesn’t really begin the game looking for his offense (running ISOs, etc) he usually gets "warmed up" later. Since this is typically the case…then why start Blake? Let Miller help “get Oden and LMA off to a good start” early in each half, then take Andre and Greg out "together" at the 6 minute mark and bring in Blake and Przy and tell Brandon and LMA to "do what they do". Then after they get tired, bring Miller/Oden back in alongside Rudy (etc) and start kicking tail and taking names in the 2nd quarter
The only "fly in the ointment" is Greg’s foul trouble, it’s impossible to predict when he’ll get those annoying 2nd/3rd fouls that exile him to the bench for extended minutes. Since this is the case, I’d rather see him play the "early" minutes of each half with Andre, instead of having to "hope" that the two of them will "discover" each other back out on the court at the same time, later in the game.
I think this is the most-optimal playoff rotation. But I suspect Nate/Brandon won’t consider it, unless Steve gets hurt and it’s "forced" upon them
When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!
From what I know of Andre as a Nuggets fan
I know/knew that he wouldn’t mesh with Roy. Personally, I wouldn’t mind starting Miller as long as Blake plays as many minutes as Andre does.
Not related, but your signature is making my head spin.
""Left hand, right hand, it doesn't matter. I'm amphibious."-Charles Shackleford of the NCSU basketball team" - Basketbawful
Just watched the game.
Even though Greg ended up with 5 fouls Nate’s early management of his minutes was poor to say the least, I distinctly recall Nate saying he was dropping the two foul rule for a 3 fouls per half rule. What happened?
Still, a good game from Rudy defensively was impressive, watching him keep up with Terrence Williams (?) one the drive at one point stood out to me. Oden was also productive in limited minutes with nice passing out of the double and offense on single coverage. He isn’t rebounding all that well given the extended minutes but I’m sure it will all come together eventually.
Oh and, Dante, we love you.
#88 > #23 > #25
Updated for latest line-up:
#5 > #2
Oden needs to learn a thing or two from Roy Hibbert and foul less
It’s too bad Howard has 93 minutes so far this season to Dante’s 54.
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