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See ya Rudy



You know I love ya Rudy but.....

Star-divide

I love Rudy just like everyone else does but while watching games and his body language, he is going to let it known that he wants out sooner than later.

He makes a three, and there is no three fingers pointing to the crowd. He gets substituted out and looks confused as to why.  He is playing behind our non-selfish two gaurd in B-Roy and there is nothing he can do about it.  He left a crap load of money over seas to play back up?.  He should be a starter for another team, NY or LA. Spainards that are furious about the lack of playing time for their star. He cant play any other position but the 2 spot and be effective.

All in all, he will be packaged for a quality back-up PF or SF by the trade deadline. Write that down

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Cloudy is Sergio. Makes other people look good, can’t score himself. -Cablinasian

by Philthyanimal on Nov 25, 2009 9:37 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

There is an ice cream cone's chance in the Sahara

that Rudy will be traded for a backup 3/4 at the trade deadline. Write that down.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 9:40 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

The way Nate & KP love their "Blake-Binkie," lol, I also doubt that they will depart from their conservative approach and trade Rudy this year either...

but I must say, having a backup as good as Rudy, who can only effectively play 1 position, and play behind our absolute best player, is not the most effective way to operate a bench in the NBA. I love that the Lakers can slide Odom between the 4-5 depending on whether Gasol or Bynum is out…

…it would be helpful if we could parlay Rudy for a guy who could do similar things for us…

and PS: we could get equal value in a Rudy trade, despite his bargain basement price, simply by including Blakes and/or Outlaw’s expiring contract in the deal…there are other guys out there that would make it worthwhile, not to mention the fact Rudy is not the only player who is way overperforming in terms of “production per dollar.”

by irish3 on Nov 25, 2009 9:48 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ohhhhh, "Binkie" is a REALLY good name for Blake..........

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 25, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

I got nothin' better to do

what can I say.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Love your sig. One of Dave's finest works.

BTW, It’s long been known how to make ice cream in desert areas (dessert areas?) using ice created by putting water in a hole exposed to the clear night sky. I don’t think they have cones though.

by CatMan2 on Nov 25, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

Thanks!

And I al-l-l-most said during the daytime cuz it gets so cold at nights, but then thought, “Eh, who’s gonna 1) catch it; and 2) correct it?” I have my answer to both questions. :-)

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudy has the best contract in the NBA in terms of production per dollar

or at least one of the best. Even if he were the 10th man it would be stupid for Portland to trade him. The Blazers wouldn’t get a player anywhere near Rudy’s caliber because trades have to match based on salary. Specific to your point, droyden, Rudy has much greater value than a back up PF (which we have 2 of: 1 old and 1 young) or a back up 3 man who the team would only be getting as a stop-gap measure do to injuries. It’s just not a sound strategy to trade away Rudy to fill in spot minutes in the rotation.

You won.
by Roybot on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 AM PST

by Magnum on Nov 25, 2009 9:43 AM PST reply actions  

I myself would like to see more Rudy.

I don’t get why we don’t give Rudy more of Roy’s minutes. Roy takes a ton of plays on defense off. I would rather have Rudy out there with his energy than Roy out there not even bothering to close out on shooters. I understand the idea of Roy conserving his energy for the 4th but I don’t get why we have a player on the floor going at half speed when there is a guy on the bench willing to go all out.

by Escrote on Nov 25, 2009 9:44 AM PST reply actions  

Most Spaniards aren´t furious about Rudy´s lack of playing time, IMO. Not yet.

I think Rudy wants at least to have Nate´s trust, a clear rol in the team and enough opportunities to show his real value. I think he already have all those ones.
He probably wants to convince Nate to make some changes and, of course, he would be happy being in the starting unit, mostly because of what it means in the NBA. Anyway, Rudy is a winner and he wants to play for a winning team. You won´t see Rudy asking to get moved to Sacramento or New Jersey to get a starting rol.

by amlmart1 on Nov 25, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

Also why don't we play Rudy at the point more?

I mean could he really be any worse than Blake at the point?

by Escrote on Nov 25, 2009 9:57 AM PST reply actions  

yes

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 25, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

to your second question that is

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 25, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions  

I should have phrased it as:

Could he really be any worse than Blake at playing the quasi-point/off-guard when RRoy is playing on the ball.

by Escrote on Nov 25, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes he can

He doesn’t dribble well enough with his left hand. He can’t be relied upon to bring the ball up the court, and neither can Roy.

If the Rudy/Roy backcourt were viable, don’t you think we would have seen it by now? I do. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 25, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions  

sure

can you do it every time? – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 25, 2009 10:31 AM PST up reply actions  

who on the current roster is better? Not Rudy.

Do you have a trade in mind? (Is this your trade drawer?) – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 25, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes Escrote... He could be worse.

I think some confuse a fancy entry pass with PG abilities. Rudy has been playing very well in his role and I don’t want him to go anywhere. That said he is not the type of ball handler (at this point and maybe ever) that I want bringing the ball up against pressure and setting our offense.

Blake has faults and I will guess by your comments that you are hyper aware of them. What you may not be aware of is that he is a solid ball handler, good leader and quality set up guy. He makes many passes that lead to passes that become assist. He also plays better defense then most give him credit for.

As much as some people want “Blake-Binkie” (whatever the heck is suppose to make that funny… I dunno) out of here… forcing a shooting guard, even Roy, into his position isn’t the answer.

May I ask you this… What purpose does it serve to add “I mean could he really be any worse than Blake at the point?” to your original question about playing rudy at PG? I am serious about this question and am not being a wise guy. I just would like to understand why people find it necessary to take a shot at Steve in a post that is off topic?

by Ilikeemall on Nov 25, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Because Steve is Pale Rider

the new Outlaw – scapegoat for everything. And this is why Blazers’ Edge is getting more and more like the O-Live comment section every day. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 25, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm afraid you are right Elgin...

..but I’m not willing to just accept it. This community has always been a cut above the
O-Lives of the world. There has at least been some movement towards recognition and understanding. I’m pretty sure I won’t get an answer from Escrote but it would be intersting to hear his reasoning.

Those kind of comments bring nothing positive to the table and bring one of two responses (both bad in my book) 1. The pile on type that turns the thread…no matter the topic… into an opportunity to be negative…2. It makes supporters of the attackee (?) mad and they strike back.

Hoping to raise awareness…

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Nov 25, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I find that I spend less time each day going through all the comments.

A coach or player can go from a god to a dog in any 2 minute period of time. Everything is said in ABSOLUTES. I also feel like BE is becoming more OLive all the time. Even when we win, we did not win by enough or would have won by a larger margin IF Nate had played someone else more, etc. No matter how anyone does, someone else would have done better.

Best stop now or will find myself guilty of the sort of tirade I am complaining about.

Croak!

When you find a big kettle of crazy, it's best not to stir it!

by blazerfrog on Nov 25, 2009 5:59 PM PST up reply actions  

The only way we trade Rudy in the next 1.75 seasons is:

if he is included as part of a package to get us a long-term starter at either the 1 or 3 positions.

Trading him for another backup at any position makes zero sense. zero.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 25, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

Especially a back up PF

We might have one in Dante for one thing, and for another— there is always a Dejuan Blair type (maybe not the record setting rebound, but still) in the draft or available with the MLE. You do not trade a dynamic talent who really helps your team for one.

M—

by Mortimer on Nov 25, 2009 2:03 PM PST up reply actions  

the MLE is a good point

I feel people have forgotten about it’s potential for improving this team. Although we aren’t even sure whether the Blazers will plan on using the MLE over the next few years, they certainly CAN do so, and it’s enough of a salary slot to EASILY bring in a backup 4/5 type, or even a quality starter or rotation player at the 3 position if the need shoudl arise. Getting a starting PG with the MLE would be tough in today’s NBA, but not completely impossible in the right year (summer 2010 is not it), and with the right player (perhaps someone looking to join a championship caliber team).

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 25, 2009 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy may only play one position

but the guy he’s backing up, Roy, can and does play both wing positions. So Rudy gets some run with Roy and some without. And with Travis out of the lineup, that’s adding up to pretty decent minutes.

The real logjam will happen when and if both Batum and Outlaw return. Till then, though, I don’t think Rudy will be complaining.

www.blazerguy.com

by Blazer Guy on Nov 25, 2009 10:06 AM PST reply actions  

exactly

Rudy’s averaging 28 minutes per game over the past 6 gamesm, including 2 games well over 30 minutes.. He’ll continue to play those kinds of minutes at least until Batum comes back.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 25, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Rudy is a starter. Just wait.

Roy will be PG, Batum will be SF. Out best starting five will be Rudy and Roy. Batum can guard PG, SG or SF. Rudy can slide across those three as well. So can Roy. That lineup gives us length, shooting and passing. People have written Rudy off in Portland way too soon.

Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!

by hawkblogger on Nov 25, 2009 10:16 AM PST reply actions  

I'm afraid I don't follow your logic.

Assuming Rudy’s body language says he wants out, it really doesn’t matter. Rudy is a team player wherever he goes and even if he wasn’t, he’s stuck.

Rudy could be a starter on a losing team, and if there is one thing we know about Rudy, it is that he HATES losing. Rudy is not going to start over Kobe, by the way.

Why would anyone care if Spaniards are furious over Rudy’s playing time? Do Euro leagues care whether I am furious over someone like Jennings lack of playing time? More to the point, Spaniards’ furiousness has no effect on Rudy’s career path. It is irrelevant.

Rudy is quite effective from 1-3, but we are so stacked with talent, that he is below what we’ve got at the 1. 2-3 are places where he can sometimes dominate starters.

As has been said, the chances of Rudy being traded are very low.

The fact that everything you wrote is so easily refutable makes me think you are a Rudy supporter creating a straw man for other Rudy supporters to unite and rally against. Even if you are not, I hope you realize that the effect of your post was to draw out how important Rudy is to this team.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 25, 2009 10:18 AM PST reply actions  

1st and foremost

Rudy DOES play three positions. He spends a lot of time at 2 and 3 and some time at the 1. The time at the one will increase as Millers skills decline over the next two years and as he learns the Point he WILL surpass Blake. He is longer than Blake and a better passer. He is supremely better at running the floor and rebounding.
      Remember, Rudy is only in his second season, Blake is in his 8th!
       Trading Rudy for anything less than a solid starter at the three would be idiotic.
O.R.

by Odenrising on Nov 25, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

I don't think the Oregonian is hiring...
I love Rudy just like everyone else does but while watching games and his body language, he is going to let it known that he wants out sooner than later.

But seriously folks, Rudy is gonna be here on his rookie contract this year, and next year, and the year after that, and the year after that when he is extended his qualifying offer, assuming he doesn’t sign elsewhere for more and should the Blazers not match.

Don’t worry so much. The lesson of Sergio can’t be lost upon him…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 25, 2009 10:29 AM PST reply actions  

Will we be able to pay him as much as everyone else, timbo?

"I'd like to see Nate McMillan stop treating fouls like they are rollover minutes." - Blazer Guy 11/4/09

by jamon51 on Nov 25, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions  

Yes.

That’s the way the CBA is created — so we can pay him as much as everybody else and then some. Will we choose to do so is a different question, but I feel confident that it has the same answer.

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Don’t worry so much. The lesson of Sergio can’t be lost upon him…

Apples and oranges. Fernandez is an international star, Rodriguez couldn’t even make the Spanish national roster.

Rudy left a lot of money on the table to come to the NBA. He’s locked into a rookie contract after being drafted #24 and has only one way to earn more income—to become an NBA star and earn world-wide endorsements. Can you think of a worse-possible situation for him than to be playing behind an NBA all-star SG in one of the league’s smallest, most-remote outposts?

At least Portland is competitive and gets past the first round of the playoffs every year…oops. And the Blazer highlights are always on SportsCent…oops, nobody on the east coast stays up until midnight to watch the west coast SC. Well, Rudy was in the slam-dunk competition, that should count for something…?

When in doubt, follow the money—it’s leading #5 away from the Rose City—and unless he’s not a capitalist, he should be asking to leave sooner than when his rookie contract expires

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 25, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Rudy is an excellent player

and if we didn’t already have Roy, he’d be a great 2 guard. If Roy ever gets hurt, he’ll be a great starter.

He’s a great contingency plan in case Roy drives the lane, gets knocked to the hardwood, and doesn’t get up. That is something that the Blazers need to be ready for. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 25, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

starter

when Roy was out for a couple of games last year Rudy was a starter and did a fine job of it while he was in helping beat Boston

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by Dep H on Nov 25, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions  

right

Whenever I’ve made trade suggestions involving Rudy (Nets for Harris, Wolves for Rubio) I’ve tried to also include a young SG in the deal, to cover that contingency

But down the road, the Blazers have Bayless, Webster and Batum who can play SG behind Roy, and as a group they could “cover” the SG minutes if Brandon went down. For this reason (and for the fact that decent NBA 2-guards are relatively easy to find) I think Rudy is about the most “replaceable” player in the main rotation. (I know most folks will say Blake, but the Roy/KP/Nate man-love for Steve skews the parameters)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 25, 2009 3:14 PM PST up reply actions  

why is everyone obsessed with starting?

Ginobili usually doesn’t start for the Spurs, yet he is their third if not second best option. Rudy is still in his second year, and he gets a ton of minutes for a sophomore. He will get more looks as well as minutes with the second unit, and he also gets to play for a contender.

"I been ridin' the midnight train, got ice water in my veins." -Bob Dylan
"Sasha? That's a sissy name." -Mike Rice

by koyote on Nov 25, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions  

exactly

Rudy is our manu, only man prettier.

by facetious on Nov 25, 2009 10:53 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

This is a good point

As long as Nate can continue to find ways to exploit matchup opportunities to get Rudy on the floor (whether it’s Roy at PG or SF, or my best case scenario of Rudy’s handle getting to the level where he can run the point) coupled with the roughly 15 mpg Rudy will get at SG when Roy is out, the minutes will be adequate. Roy is amazing, but Rudy adds so much to this team I’m glad Nate has looked to keep him in more than a bit role.

Long term, my dream primary (not necessarily starting, but definitely closing) Blazer lineup is Roy, Rudy, Nic, LMA, and GO. Those are 5 dynamic players who are tough for any team to contain For that to happen, Rudy or Roy needs to be able to handle PG duties when they’re paired with Nic, but the more Portland runs its motion offense in the halfcourt (which doesn’t really require the PG to go all Chris Paul and facilitate everything) the more feasible this could be over the next few years.

The Blazerverse and The Wire: A comparison
Brandon Roy = Stringer Bell (smooth technician dedicated to his craft)
Nate McMiillan = Cedric Daniels (well intentioned leader, but he can be too rigid for his own good at times)
Martell Webster = Wee Bey Brice (straight up solider who follows orders; every organization needs these guys to be successful)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield (he's new to the game, but he's watching and waitng; he will take over and there will be casualties)
Rudy Fernandez = Jimmy McNulty (he gets results, but the leadership wishes he was less of a wild man; the ladies love him)
Greg Oden = Michael Lee (he started off a quiet kid, but he's beginning to tap in to his huge potential to change the game)
Andre Miller = Lester Freamon (do not let the laconic demeanor fool you, the veteran knows what's up)
John Canzano = Scott Templeton (scummy muckraker who stays up at night polishing his award)

by blazeraddict on Nov 25, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

As long as Nic can defend the quick PGs, and Brandon doesn't mind defending the SFs

That lineup could work. The problem would be against teams with a quick PG and a physical SF, but there’s always other “alternatives” to throw into the mix coming off the bench (like Bayless or Webster, at least for now)

Finding enough minutes for Batum and Rudy is going to be the real trick, going forward. If they’re as good as everyone thinks they are, they may both force their way into the starting lineup. (But as long as Nate and Blake are both around, this could be a problem…)

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 25, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

instead of looking at slumping shoulders...

why don’t we look at the numbers. It’s pretty clear that Rudy is moving around and not just backing up Roy. Since Outlaw went down, an important marker as the Blazers will be without Batum and him for much of the season, he’s averaging 28 minutes per game (5 more than last year). Minutes only dipped in the Bulls game because of slop time. I would expect those number of minutes to remain or increase at least until the injured wings return.

by 8volumesthick on Nov 25, 2009 11:15 AM PST reply actions  

btw

If that trend of 28 minutes continues that would make him 4th on the team in minutes behind only Roy, Aldridge and Blake.

by 8volumesthick on Nov 25, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions  

D'oh...

“Ctrl + W?” he wondered. “What the heck does that do? … Aw dangit!”

"One of the bright spots of the young season has been rookie point guard Jonny Flynn, whose name sounds like he should be the lead character in a Broadway Musical. "What are you doing here, Jonny Flynn?" "Why I'm here to court trouble, and woo a girl, and build the most fantastical contraption the world has ever seen!" -- Dave, Game 7 Blazers versus Timberwolves preview

by BlazersOrBust on Nov 25, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't see it...

Of late I see nothing that makes me think Rudy is unhappy or disgruntled about his role on the team. To the contrary he appears to be having fun and bringing great energy to the floor at both ends. He has thrown some beautiful passes, moved well without the ball, hit his trade mark 3’s (the one from way out against the Bulls was a masterpiece), found a defensive nitch with the steals, rebounded well and even shown the ability to penetrate and dish or hit the floater.

Over the last 10 games he’s played 25mins. per game which I think is about what he expects and what people thought he should get. There is no way I would let a guy like this, with argueably the best contribution per dollar in the league, get away.

GO BLAZERS!!!

by Ilikeemall on Nov 25, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

my favorite 3rd qrtr put the game away lineup

roy rudy martell LA oden

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"No water, just my woman." -Andre Miller

by FrenchToast on Nov 25, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions  

What are you talking about?

I think Rudy is the most comfortable player coming off the bench for us. Everytime he hits a 3 he does the finger thing and he’s always pumped. He’s going to be happier now that he has more minutes with Outlaw & Batum out.

by Iwvelez on Nov 25, 2009 11:47 AM PST reply actions  

and hes a fan fav...

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"No water, just my woman." -Andre Miller

by FrenchToast on Nov 25, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

Your gonna trade Rudy for a backup

you must be crazy, Rudy brings in a starter if he was traded.

Trade players for picks and draft Cole Aldrich 2010

by jlarose78 on Nov 25, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions  

Rudy didn't always start for his national team

It never seemed to be an issue for him at the Olympics.

The guy has star quality and will be a major reason that a national audience will want to watch Blazer games. Roy and Aldridge are smooth but rarely does your jaw drop. Rudy always looks for that something extra to please the crowd. From a marketing standpoint he is a gold mine that is just starting to pay off. Good for the ladies, good for the white guys, and good for anyone wanting to see a good bullfight – er basketball game.

by Jacksonville on Nov 25, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

Dwight Jaynes?

He’s also always foreseeing players getting disgruntled so they must be traded long before they even say they are disgruntled.

Ceterum censeo Lakers esse delendam

by Norsktroll on Nov 25, 2009 12:07 PM PST reply actions  

He should be a starter for another team, NY or LA.

Is that the Clippers? Cause he would be behind a real selfish player if he was playing for that other LA team……

"What's a young boy to do, when he doesn't want to do wrong, but there's a lock on the right door? When he has the heart of a soldier, the aggression of a prizefighter, but no one's taught him what to fight for."

-Black Ice

by Starvin' Marvin on Nov 25, 2009 12:23 PM PST reply actions  

save the drama fo yo mama.

The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out, burns out farms, and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
Head Czar of Amerika <--- Mortimer said so so there!!!

by faith on Nov 25, 2009 12:36 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

hmm

i still see his this three fingers after a three

bayless leaves over my dead body
Start Andre (in a 2 guard lineup)

by thomasikehara on Nov 25, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions  

Bayless

but we aren’t going to trade Rudy, so it doesn’t matter. Trading him for a backup 4-3 would be a blunderously shortsighted move of epic proportions – I just can’t see KP being that stupid. Trading him (and others) for a long term starting 3 I suppose is a possibility, but it doesn’t seem very likely to me, since we wanted no part of moving garbage pieces for a starting 3 last February, and I can’t see how that equation has changed.

The only thing that would make since would be to move Rudy for a starting point guard – but you aren’t going to see any of those that we would want on the trade market.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 25, 2009 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

since we wanted no part of moving garbage pieces for a starting 3 last February

IIRC, there was a proposal for Gerald Wallace last Feb that was nixed because KP wouldn’t part with Batum…and I wouldn’t call Nic a “garbage piece”

When reached 40 years of following Portland basketball you have, be as passionate of the Trail Blazers you will not!

by two4larue on Nov 25, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

right, and agree

but there were other proposals that were for things like RLEC and junk for jefferson, etc. stuff like that.

How did you guys win that?
"We scored enough points. We scored 107, they scored 105.
-Nate McMillan Postgame, 3/4/2009

by douglast on Nov 25, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions  

A quality backup 4?

He is worth an entire bench of backup 4’s

by collectiveshane on Nov 25, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

There are only 2 things I would trade Rudy for

Either a young/talanted PG who would be a good fit next to Roy for the next 5+ years, or

A veteran SF who can make plays and defend the elite SFs in the NBA

Of course, neither of those “targets” could be obtained in a straight up deal for Rudy’s contract, so KP would have to make a lopsided deal including contracts and capspace

(Just to make this interesting, here are some names)

PGs: Devin Harris, the rights to Ricky Rubio
SFs: Caron Butler, that’s all I got…Battier and Prince aren’t worth it, now. If they ever were

I’m on record that Rudy will be dealt sometime in the next 15-21 months (before the deadline next year, or following 2010-2011 season) due to the SG/PT conflict with Roy.

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by two4larue on Nov 25, 2009 2:58 PM PST reply actions  

Rudy knew when he came over that he would have to wait 4 years...

before seeing any “decent” money. There’s no reason to complain yet.

by TallTimber on Nov 25, 2009 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

There's always a reason to complain if you don't think you're getting paid enough

Last year Rudy complained that he didn’t have a more significant role in the offense (he didn’t want to be pigeonholed as only a spot-up shooter)

Last summer Fernandez was concerned that Portland had signed Hedo to an offer sheet, because he saw some of his playing time being given to Turk

I’m not saying he doesn’t have a right to complain, I actually think #5 has shown a lot of restraint, considering how much money he left on the table over in Europe to join the NBA. I wouldn’t be surprised if Rudy and his agent signed a tacit agreement with Paul Allen for back-channel compensation, even if most of the money is “deferred” If they didn’t, then Fernandez is seriously underpaid now and will be more grossly underpaid in the next few years

And if he’s content playing “injury roulette” with his family’s financial security for the next 3 years, more power to him—and good for the Blazers. But my expectation is that he will ask for a “better deal” in a NBA market where he can start at SG and earn more endorsement money (east coast team, large Spanish demographic, etc)

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by two4larue on Nov 25, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I guess I don't understand....

where Rudy loses by playing in the NBA? He gets to play every night against the best in the world (he had already proven himself in Europe, and wanted to test himself against the best – I don’t think its all about money with him)… He is still (perhaps even more of) an international superstar… He still gets to play for Spain in the Olympics and Euros… He has at least as many marketing opportunities, more if he becomes a key member of a championship team….

Where’s the downside for him playing 30 a night for Portland?

by Visionary2 on Nov 25, 2009 7:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Reportedly, he left a 20 mil deal on the table to come to the NBA

Instead of making 4 mil/year for CSKA, he’s making 1-2 mil/year on a rookie contract

That’s about a 12 mil$ “difference” that he will never get back, unless he’s a really good shill for products sold to international markets. If Rudy played in a marketing mecca like NYC or L*A he’d have a lot more endorsement opportunities than in Portland, even with Nike and Adidas being nearby. And if he’s a starter and becomes an NBA all-star he’ll be an even hotter commodity. Even if Portland does make it to the finals, he’s still going to be viewed as “Brandon’s backup”

I know it was his dream to play in the NBA, but 12 mil is still 12 mil

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 5:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Trade Rudy bring in Iverson.

Seriously common son. Rudy came to the US to compete on a higher level. I’m sure he would love to be a starter, but at the cost of being on a losing team? NAHHhhh. He’s getting good min. with Outlaw and Batum out and showing Mcmillan he deserves them.

by ODEN on a stick on Nov 25, 2009 11:12 PM PST reply actions  

things have worked out perfectly, for Rudy

he went from being concerned about Portland signing Hedo last July to playing 25-30 mpg because of injuries to Nic and Travis, by mid-November. I still think there could be rough waters ahead, later this spring or (especially) next year, but for now he’s needed and playing well

The “problem” for Rudy in Portland will always be Roy. The two of them are at just the right size that they need to defend NBA SGs, not PGs or SFs. You can’t start ‘em both, and Batum’s only going to get better as time goes by

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by two4larue on Nov 26, 2009 6:00 PM PST up reply actions  

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