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So I just got through Bill Simmons' mailbag on ESPN, and there is a great piece from a guy from Portland called David G. (shout out to David G.!). Anyway, Bill Simmons, for as much as he leaves us out of his book, The Book of Basketball, and the wonderful misprint on page 609, I still have to respect the guy, despite his 41-41 prediction (what is this, the 2007-2008 season?). Side note, if you went to the book signing last week, he mentions the starting lineup intro music again in this piece (which I'm going to add, is only cool when that lightning storm goes off. Otherwise, the rest of them are dull. Then again, at least we don't need a PA announcer starting a "DEFENSE" chant).

If you haven't read it, here it is:

Q: Did your book tour include a stop at the Rose Garden for Pistons-Blazers last week? I hope you checked out the way the Garden treats Greg Oden. Every time he does something basic, the place explodes like he dunked from halfcourt. They are just willing themselves to think he will be good.
-- David G., Portland

 Yes I did. And the best way to describe the crowd's support for Oden: It's like watching 15,000 parents rooting for their kid, only all 15,000 parents fathered the same kid. If he ever exploded for 30 points, 20 rebounds and eight blocks in a game, you'd have to carry each deliriously passed-out Portland fan out of the Rose Garden individually like they were victims of smoke inhalation in a burning house. (The funny thing is, everyone in Portland is nodding right now. And yes, I know he's had a couple of inspired games this season. You don't need to e-mail me the stat lines. No, really. Save us both the time. Let's not put too much pressure on him. Baby steps.) I was also startled by Portland fans arguably (see, there it is!) liking Rudy Fernandez as much as, and maybe even a smidge more than, the great Brandon Roy.

 Two other things that shocked me. Two other things shocked me. First, that's the whitest NBA experience you can have that doesn't involve the words "Salt," "Lake" and City." They didn't play hip-hop either before the game or during the game; both teams seemed to have more African-Americans than in the entire crowd; and the pregame video right before introducing Portland's starting lineup was a local grunge band singing "Ballroom Blitz." And second, during a second-quarter timeout, my buddy House and I ran into the concourse to grab beers and noticed that there was NOBODY else in line for anything. We felt like Will Smith in "I Am Legend." There was no signs of human life other than the workers. Everyone else stays in their seats. At halftime, those same people pour into the concourse like it's halftime of a football game. I've never seen anything like it. I don't know if they have the most loyal, passionate, dutiful fans in the NBA, but at the very least, we can say nobody else tops them.

 Here's what I took away from my Rose Garden experience: Portland loves the Blazers the same way a single mother would love her only child. The city's revulsion towards the "Jail Blazers" makes a lot more sense to me now. The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city.

Simmons talks about us like we're parents watching our son (specifically Greg Oden) play. Hey, in England, people yell, "You are my son" about their star soccer player. Heck, Steven Gerrard gets called that once a conversation over there. We've already adopted their language, why can't we adopt their idioms? I say from here on, I plan on yelling "You are my son" every time Greg gets that rock and slams it home. I'll even sing the Blazer Song (which we really need) if the backboard shakes afterwards.

Simmons mentions in the email response that we are the most loyal fans he's seen. Also, we seem to like Rudy more than Roy. I can see the loyalty since we are a 1-pro team city, but Rudy more than Roy? I have to have a favorite Blazer? That's like picking a favorite donut from Voodoo. I refuse to do such a thing!

All in all, despite his rips on us and constant hate of my son (Gregorio, for my Spanish speakers out there...I'm talking to you Rudy), I loved this bit. As he says at the end of it about attending a game at the Rose Garden:

I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city.

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This doesn't surprise me

He never actively hated us. Saying negative things about a team isn’t hating them, it’s just him thinking we aren’t as good as we actually are. He’s wrong about us but he isn’t a hater.

by GMan83201 on Nov 25, 2009 9:27 AM PST reply actions  

He envied us

He wanted his Cs to have Oden, he just won’t admit it.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 25, 2009 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

At least link the entire question and answer so people can read it.

"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons

by halo_on on Nov 25, 2009 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

Here

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Passage about us (since this is a much larger article, I think excerpting the entire question and answer is okay, feel free to nuke this if not, mods):

Q: Did your book tour include a stop at the Rose Garden for Pistons-Blazers last week? I hope you checked out the way the Garden treats Greg Oden. Every time he does something basic, the place explodes like he dunked from half court. They are just willing themselves to think he will be good.
— David G., Portland

Yes, I did. And the best way to describe the crowd’s support for Oden: It’s like watching 15,000 parents rooting for their kid, only all 15,000 parents fathered the same kid. If he ever explodes for 30 points, 20 rebounds and eight blocks in a game, you’ll have to carry each deliriously passed-out Portland fan out of the Rose Garden individually like they were victims of smoke inhalation in a burning house. (The funny thing is, everyone in Portland is nodding right now. And yes, I know he’s had a couple of inspired games this season. You don’t need to e-mail me the stat lines. No, really. Save us both the time. Let’s not put too much pressure on him. Baby steps.) I also was startled by Portland fans arguably (see, there it is!) liking Rudy Fernandez as much as, and maybe even a smidge more than, the great Brandon Roy.

Two other things shocked me. First, that’s the whitest NBA experience you can have that doesn’t involve the words “Salt,” “Lake” and City." They didn’t play hip-hop either before the game or during the game, each team seemed to have more African-Americans than the entire crowd and the pregame video right before the introduction of Portland’s starting lineup was a local grunge band singing “Ballroom Blitz.” And second, during a second-quarter timeout, my buddy House and I ran into the concourse to grab beers and noticed there was NOBODY else in line for anything. We felt like Will Smith in “I Am Legend.” There was no sign of human life other than the workers. Everyone else stays in their seats. At halftime, those same people pour into the concourse like it’s halftime of a football game. I’ve never seen anything like it. I don’t know whether the Blazers have the most loyal, passionate, dutiful fans in the NBA, but at the very least, we can say nobody else tops them.

Here’s what I took away from my Rose Garden experience: Portland loves the Blazers the same way a single mother would love her only child. The city’s revulsion toward the “Jail Blazers” makes a lot more sense to me now. The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn’t holding up that bargain, it’s even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn’t be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city.

by Royster on Nov 25, 2009 9:36 AM PST reply actions  

I like that he understands why we hated the Jailblazers

That pretty much tells you all you need to know

Blazer Fan

by leeroyjenkins on Nov 25, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

Did Portland actually hate the Jailblazers?

As a transplant to Portland in 2001, I’m not really sure if that’s an accurate statement to say the city HATED the JailBlazers. I mean yes, the off the court stuff was awkward and no one could say they loved it. But does it mean the city HATED the team? Absolutely not. There was a sense of surreal pragmatism surrounding the team when I moved here. It was kind of like being in Communist Russia, everyone knew bad stuff was going on, they just knew that they couldn’t speak out against the regime. And in hindsight everyone claims they were against all along.

The bottom line is, it wasn’t until the team stopped winning that the city truly started to turn against the franchise and that didn’t happen until 03-04. If you pretend the city didn’t blindly follow the Red and Black before then you are participating in revisionist history.

Feel free to rip me to shreds now.

by thrilliam on Nov 25, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Accurate Description of Portland

Especially the whitest NBA experience part.

by preptime on Nov 25, 2009 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

and the horrible music

also can we do away with Hit The Road Jack when someone fouls out. Every damn team plays it.. its not enjoyable or funny

by GreatOden'sRaven on Nov 25, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

and Takin' Care of Business by BTO

and every Tom Petty song they’ve ever played in there, too. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 25, 2009 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

He has always like the city and the fans. Not a surprise.

Life is about growth. People are not perfect when they're 21 years old. - Bill Walton

by NEP on Nov 25, 2009 10:01 AM PST reply actions  

As far as the fans liking Rudy more.......

Rudy plays for the crowd a lot more than Roy does. Rudy makes fancy passes, tricky dunks and lay ins, holds up 3 fingers to the crowd when he makes a 3, etc. He plays an electrifying style of basketball nearly the whole time he’s on the court. I think the fans react to what Rudy does in game more, but that they love Roy more.

You won.
by Roybot on Nov 11, 2009 1:41 AM PST

by Magnum on Nov 25, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions  

And if he needs proof

How many Rudy jerseys do you see at the RG on a normal night? Not very many. How many Roy jerseys? Tons.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 25, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

To be fair, Roy has been with the team for two more years than Rudy, and his time had a stronger correlation with the rise in both success and popularity.

http://www.twitter.com/fiveohthree/

by inroywetrust on Nov 25, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't really disagree with this.

Although as a 5 and a half foot tall white guy I am starting to wonder if I should ask my wife for a paternity test… Greg just doesn’t look like me.

by Escrote on Nov 25, 2009 10:10 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

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GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEG OOOOOOOOOOOOOODEEEEEEEEEN

by kajuayn on Nov 25, 2009 2:21 PM PST up reply actions  

As an Englishman

(hence the GB in my name for Great Britain), the phrase is ‘go on my son’, not ‘you are my son’, although the Liverpool accent is pretty hard to understand, even amongst us English, so an understandable mistake :)

It’s my ambition to get to Portland for a Blazers game at some point, and I would love it if you all adopted ‘go on my son’!

by PhilGB on Nov 25, 2009 10:12 AM PST reply actions   2 recs

rec

FOR INTERNATIONAL FAAAAAANHOOOOD

GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEG OOOOOOOOOOOOOODEEEEEEEEEN

by kajuayn on Nov 25, 2009 2:22 PM PST up reply actions  

in the spirit

Mike Rice could stand to sound a little more like this.

by atomiccafe on Nov 25, 2009 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe in many things, but one of the things I believe is that all anouncers should speak in fake English accent.

Speaking with an English Accent 101 should be a mandatory class for all aspiring-to-be sports announcers.

by xedubx on Nov 25, 2009 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Stay out of Oregon Bill Simmons.

*Unless KP has a secret plan that makes this statement incorrect.
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by staylost on Nov 25, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

dude why the hate?

he was incredibly nice and responsive at the book signing, and this article is a glowing recommendation of Portland as an NBA city and NBA experience…maybe YOU should stay out of Oregon

by rip_city_swagger on Nov 25, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

That's a really interesting little snapshot of Portland.

The 15,000 parents of Oden thing strikes me as being right on the money…

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 25, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

I've always felt that way about this team

I want them to do well, I overreact in both directions when they do things good and bad. And I’m not a parent.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 25, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

my brother sent me that this morning, I responded:

Portlanders really wanna love Greg. It’s a fact. It’s also a fact he’s never gonna have that kinda game (40/20/8). Nor will he ever have to. But I think he’ll eventually become more valuable than any other Blazer, maybe even this year.

It just might be that his value might be hidden by box score stats. The Simmons analogy is accurate. The Rose Garden is more of an amalgam between an NBA game and maybe a ACC basketball game. People are there to cheer on their team. In fact it might be the only place in portland where people aren’t trying to make the scene (j/k).

Simmons also really likes to antagonize Blazers fans because he’s the giantest Durant fan on the planet. It’s gonna be interesting to see Durant/Oden debate down the line because it represents the battle between traditional “scoring as ultimate indicator of value” point of view vs. “less easily measurable” skills and how valuable someone can be while compiling less raw stats.

by 8volumesthick on Nov 25, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions  

Greg Oden will drop a 40/20/8 game

sometime in his career look this up in 12 years

by shteveo on Nov 25, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree

He still isn’t getting many minutes, which I think is fine. I’d like to see him avg about 25-27 this year. Close to 30 next year and maybe a bit more than that the year after. If he keeps developing and gets a good game where he plays close to 40 minutes, he could easily go for 40/20/8. Teams like Minnesota just can’t stop him and he can shoot free throws.

by ericande on Nov 25, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions  

40/20/8 would be a magnificient feat and would be hard to do for anyone.

Still, I wouldn’t be surprised he’d have a 40 point game some time in his career. I mean, it’s not like Blake and Roy will forever be the starting backcourt Greg plays with.

With that said, 20 rebound game would probably be the easiest for Greg and could happen this year.

by xedubx on Nov 25, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

40 pts, 20 boards, 8 blks in 1 game?

he wont do it. but i dont think dwight will either. I do think that he will put up 40 pts, 20 boards, and 8 blocks each in 1 game but not at the same time. Roy’s great and he’s put up 50 once. In fact, I think he could do either 20 boards or 8 blks now. 40 pts is a stretch for now but not out of the realm of possibility. And it definitely will happen eventually.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Nov 25, 2009 5:07 PM PST up reply actions  

check Chad Ford's quote from yesterday...

on how a 7 foot defensive intimidator will win more rings than a 6’10" scorer, and that all we need from him is 10-15ppg, 10-12rpg, and 2-3bpg to make us an elite contender…

http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/11/24/1172316/tyler-portland-is-it-time-to-get

by rip_city_swagger on Nov 25, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions  

"They are just willing themselves to think he will be good."

Still a pretty backhanded compliment. A whole stadium full of passionate deluded fans, collectively trying to will a hopelessly flawed player to success. We are ecstatic at any sign of progress because we want it so bad, but unbiased Bill Simmons can see how truly dim GO’s future is and senses the desperation in our optimism.

Thanks Bill. He may have to eat his words regarding Greg, but I guess it would be silly for him to change his position this abruptly.

by shralpster on Nov 25, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

When Oden gets inducted into the Hall of Fame

I want him to make sure Simmons and the rest of the haters are there to watch him.

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 25, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Whooooooa there!

"A bizarre and extremely rare hybrid Blazer/Laker fan, Timbo has always struggled to contain the Beast Within, like Dr. Jekyll, Bruce Banner, or Ted Kennedy." — Miled Animal

by timbo on Nov 25, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I know

One can dream right…

"Good evening Blazer fans, wherever you may be!"-Bill Schonely

by skywaker9 on Nov 25, 2009 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

lol, sensitive much

that passage was very complimentary of portland and its fan base.

by colinmarsh on Nov 28, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait until he sits courtside and watches us dismantle the Lakers in L.A. during the playoffs. It’s not that far off Blazer fans. Oh yes, it will happen.

"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons

by halo_on on Nov 25, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions  

I think its very tricky for non minority folks to try to judge what the experience of a minority person might be.

When I feel like I’m being tolerant and kind and accepting they might see me as being patronizing or just dense. I’m lucky enough to be in a situation where I actually talk to folks about their experiences a lot, and I just learned not to assume what someone else’s experience might be.

by raoulduke on Nov 25, 2009 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

there are plenty of black folks in Portland

but relatively few of them shell out for tickets to the game. – Elgin

Travis Outlaw, the Funnel Cake of the Blazers

by 22baylor on Nov 25, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Portland fans are so funny..

You know that Simmons stories are actually regarding as entertainment in Boston? People are there have waaaaaay thicker skin than we do. He doesn’t hate the Blazers. He doesn’t hate on Greg Oden. He’s being honest. We do treat Greg like he’s one of our kids. Some of the people posting in this thread are way too positive about Oden’s performance. Was he great vs. a struggling Chicago team at home on Monday? Absolutely he was. Will he be great when we play the Orlando Magic? We’ll see won’t we?

"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons

by halo_on on Nov 25, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions  

*er regarded.

"The team and the city are intertwined, and if one side isn't holding up that bargain, it's even more painful than usual. Anyway, I couldn't be happier that I got a taste of it. Great NBA city."
-- Bill Simmons

by halo_on on Nov 25, 2009 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Whitest NBA Experience

Bingo! On the money. If Portland fans went to a game in Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, or even Oakland I think they’d pass out. The game experience at the Rose Garden is not lacking passion or excitement, but it certainly lacks certain cultural elements.

You can hate Simmons, but he nailed this one.

by thrilliam on Nov 25, 2009 1:59 PM PST reply actions  

Hm..That kind of explains why when I was in the RG last time,

People kept bringing me their math homework and asking me for help. Made me feel like I was back in HS.

Portland is just a really white city and fan base reflects that. I had to admit, I was really surprised when I first traveled to LA or Vancouver, BC. It was like “Dude, where’s the white people?”

by xedubx on Nov 25, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions  

simmons takes on boston are not the same as his takes on portland

I agree that people take him a little too seriously, and he’s just trying to have fun. But it’s not fair to say we should treat his takes on Portland sports the same as Boston fans treat his takes on Boston sports. It’s different to pick on your own team than it is to pick on other teams.

He also acts like any attempt to defend the Oden pick could only be brought on by our homerism, not our impressions watching the team every night, and seeing that Portland is way better when Greg is in the game than when he’s out.

by atomiccafe on Nov 25, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions  

it’s not fair to say we should treat his takes on Portland sports the same as Boston fans treat his takes on Boston sports. It’s different to pick on your own team than it is to pick on other teams.

Like John Canzano? :)

by levelhed on Nov 25, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

ha

Does John Canzano even like the Blazers?

If/when we win a championship, he’ll write something about how the occasion was tarnished because we were led by noted Husky and communist, Brandon Roy.

by atomiccafe on Nov 25, 2009 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I am quite certain

That if the Blazers win a chip, JC will be writing only nice things about the team, and Roy. The point is to generate interest in his work; the city will be so deliriously happy that negative stories will not be tolerated.

by samuelleejackson on Nov 25, 2009 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

I was literally nodding my head like “yep, that’s pretty much true.” right before I read this:

“The funny thing is, everyone in Portland is nodding right now.”

He actually describes Portland as a fan base and as a city in relationship with its team very very well. He understands the jailblazers era, and I think he really does, because his description is spot on.

I have always liked Bill Simmons, even when he is being so aggravating and ridiculous (at least, that’s how I feel about his stuff sometimes!) But I have a little bit more respect for him now. He earned that with those paragraphs.

by TimG on Nov 25, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions  

As a native Bostonian...

A couple of things about Simmons…

He has, on many occassions, reflected the soul of Bostonians to the letter. Spot on. His articles during the ’04 Sox season (down 0-3 to the hated Yankmes, followed by glorious redemption) brought tears of laughter and joy to my eyes. He understands what it takes to be a Boston fan, particularly a Red Sox fan.

Now, interestingly, Sox fans are very much like Portland fans. They live it. Every day during the summer, Bostonians flip back two sections to the Boston Globe sports section. Sports rivals the weather for casual conversation (“How bout those Sox?” “Yea, they’re wicked awesome… Bot how about this weather?”) Every move by the manager is second-guessed at LEAST as much as Nate’s starting lineups. There are not just two sports radio talk shows talking about it – there are several. The sports leads the news (or at least the headlines are delivered in the first segment.)

This is how, I believe, Simmons “gets” the Portland fan. It’s not much of a stretch for him. His comment that we love the Blazers like our children, if delivered to a Boston only audience, clearly would have been “Portlanders love the Blazers like Bostonians love the Sox”…

Secondly, Portland is an incredibly white city. It’s changed a bit in the 16 years I’ve been here, but still incredibly white. Now, Boston has historically been a very white city, too. (Especially when compared to the other major cities in the Eastern seaboard…) Not sure I have any particular point about this, other than it’s something that Simmons would naturally notice (especially living in CA).

But, as much as I appreciate Simmons, I, too hope he is sitting next to Cowturd when Oden gets his first ring…

by Visionary2 on Nov 25, 2009 3:36 PM PST reply actions  

Great response by Simmons

MAkes me hate him a little less for that 41-41 prediction.

Rip City Baby...People have no idea what is coming.

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by lanepete on Nov 25, 2009 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

40/20/8

from basketball-reference.com:

You Are Here > Basketball-Reference.com > Play Index > Player Game Finder > Query Results Player Game Finder

Game data available for the 1986-87 through 2009-10 regular seasons and 1991 through
From 1986-87 to 2009-10, in the regular season, requiring Points >= 40 and Total Rebounds >= 20 and Blocks >= 8, sorted by descending Date.

Sorry, there are no results that match your search.

by shuppatsu on Nov 25, 2009 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

i was wondering about that

i’ll bet wilt did it, but that would have been way before 86/ 87.

by colinmarsh on Nov 28, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions  

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